Barbra Streisand on “The Secret of Life”

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Hi, sorry to be a little late. Not at all.
How are you? Oh my God. How am I? Hmm.
Do you recognize that voice? Sure you do. Okay, let me see here.
How about if I just do that? Is that okay? Perfect. Perfect.
What song was that that I did that? I think you said perfect more than once in your career. For 60 years, Barbra Streisand has been a huge presence on the American scene.
Singing at first in nightclubs when she was a teenager, she went on to conquer Broadway and Hollywood. Streisand was not a stand-up comedian, but she was and remains hilarious with a personality to match her talent.
There's a string of firsts attached to her name. For one thing, she's the youngest person ever to achieve the EGOT.
She was just 28 when she had already received the Emmy, the Grammy, the Oscar, and the Tony. With the movie Yentl, she became the first woman to star, direct, write, and produce a major studio movie.
Anyway, you're interesting. Well, thank you, but you're not so bad yourself.
No, I'm interesting. I got to tell you, I read your book.
I loved it. What's it like to finish a memoir that's that ambitious, that complete? Is it a satisfying thing to go back over your life from beginning to its most recent days? What's it like emotionally? No, emotionally it was a pain in the ass.

I mean, the point is I knew I

should, you know, for the ages,

for the next millennium, I should have a review of my

life. But for years and years I

thought about it but never did it, you know? Was it painful? Yeah, it was. What was painful about it? Oh, just thinking of my life growing up without a father, and a father who was completely wonderful, I hear, I read.
Your father was an academic who was gone by the time you were one or two, right? Fifteen months old, yeah. So his death remained a mystery to you when you were growing up and even when you were writing the book? Yeah, yeah, because as I said in the book, you know, I would ask my mother, why didn't you speak about him? Why didn't you tell me about my father? Reading about, he's so interesting.
He was interested in sports and education, you know? He was an intellectual, but he was also, you know, an adventurer. And your mother is portrayed in this book as a very difficult presence.
Withholding doesn't begin to describe it. Yeah.
I think, you know, I always thought growing up that my mother was jealous of me because she wanted to be famous. She wanted to be known as a great singer.
Did you, by the process of writing this book, feel that you came to understand your mother better or to reconcile with her in some way, or is that really out of reach? Yes, I feel pathos now for my mother. I feel like I'm so sorry that she couldn't fulfill her dreams.
My mother once told me she would stand with a broom and make believe it's a microphone. Or she went with her sister

to interview at the Metropolitan Opera, but she was too scared to sing. Or, you know,

she didn't want to travel from Brooklyn to go there. There was always some excuse.

But did she ever get any nachas from your own success,

or that was impossible? No. That was hard for her.
But I mean, I've grown to, after that understanding of

my mother. I feel

sad. I feel sad

for her. not angry anymore.
It's a sadness that she was unfulfilled. She did have a lovely voice, a soprano voice, very different than mine, but a very pretty voice.
And her father was, you know, would sing in the shul sometimes. So in other words, it's in the DNA, I think, in the vocal cords, you know.
So much so that the way you describe it, you began singing, you had maybe one lesson, but it was like you emerged from Zeus's head with that voice. We hear it on your debut, the Barbra Streisand album, and there is the Barbra Streisand voice fully formed.
Now you say You're lonely You cry the long night through Well, you can cry me a river. Cry me a river.
I cried a river over you. Is that accurate to say? Well, yeah, because the apartment building I lived in in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, had a beautiful sound in the lobby.
I love the sound, the echo. I love the echo in that lobby at five years old, you know, five, six years old.
And so I would sometimes sing in that lobby with nobody there. I never would sing around anybody.
But, and to this day, you know, I'm very sensitive to the sound of the music that I'm recording. Tell me about this record of duets.
This is something that Sinatra did in his time. You've done a version of it in, I think, 2014, an album of duets with other performers.
Is it accomplished by two people in the studio together, or do you send audio files back and forth? It depends. I mean, I like to just sing alone, actually.

I mean, I did with Paul McCartney because we were filming it,

but I had already, I went into the studio

and did a couple of renditions of it,

and that's what we played,

even though I sang live in the studio.

With Paul?

Yeah, I just sang again. And so I do.
And so I do. Without a care.
Without a care. I know that someday soon the sun is gonna shine.
But, you know, I liked my original one, but a lot, you know, a line from here and a line from there, whatever,

but I was singing with him,

so it really doesn't matter.

It's very easy to sing a song you like.

So in 1971, Bob Dylan wrote a letter to one of his friends, Tony Glover,

and he said that he had written Lay, Lay, Lay about you. Lay, Lay, Lay, Lay Lay across my big grass bed And then in 1978, you had an exchange, I think an exchange of letters or flowers or something like that.
Right, right, right.

And then in 2025, many years later, you do this recording together. Had you been talking with him, communicating with him, the idea of doing something together? Well, my representatives tried to speak to him, I guess.
You know, the fun thing is, is that we were both 19 years old

in Greenwich Village, never met each other. I was at the Bon Sois and he was playing

the guitar somewhere else. So, I, and I remember him sending me flowers and writing me a card

I'm sorry. And so, and I remember him sending me flowers and writing me a card in different color pencils, like a child's writing, you know.
And would you sing with me? And I thought, what would I sing with him? How could we get together on this? I couldn't understand it, you know,

at that time. But it was sure wonderful to have picked a song, The Very Thought of You, that it was actually my manager's favorite song

that I never sang over 60 years of being with him.

I sang it for his 80th birthday

where I gave him a party in my backyard.

But that was it.

And Bob loved that song. I'm living in a kind of daydream It was a wonderful experience because he's very shy, and like I am, but he was wonderful to work with.
I mean, I was told, you better not, he didn't want any, you know, direction. But when I talked to him about things that I suggested, you know, he was so pliable.
He was so open to suggestions. I mean, everything I heard about him just went out the window.
You know, he stood on his feet for three hours with me. Does work mean something different to you at this stage of your life than it did when you were 30, 40, 50 years old? Is it something that you're as obsessed with as ever, or is it something quite different? I never thought of that.
It seemed like just great to record with people I trust. I was so shocked and happy that my voice was there, and I was hitting those high notes and that I walked into the room after I sang that first take and everybody was applauding and I was kind of, you know, dazzled by their reaction.
Is it there every day or is it some days it's there and some days it's not. No, it was there every day I went into that studio.

So would you perform again after the 2014 album? You did a round of live performances at a bunch of big places, Tonight Show, Good Morning America, and so on. And you've said more recently that you don't love performing live, certainly as much as you might have years ago.
No, you know, I never really enjoyed, well, maybe when I was 19, I kind of got a kick out of it because I would just say anything on my mind and, you know, pick songs that were interesting to me to act as an actress because I never wanted to be a singer. I wanted to be an actress.
So I looked for material that I could act, you know, from Broadway plays and to be silly, you know, singing Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf. You know, I was open to the audience and talking to

them. Whatever I was doing was just about being in the moment, you know, things that I was

experiencing in acting class. It was never to be a singer.
It was to be an actress.

So they were fun times, but I could stand in a little club like the Bon Soir. I didn't have to

Thank you. so um they were fun times but i could stand in a little club like the bonsoir i didn't have to move now the only problem i have would be because my back hurts right you know what i mean and i've always had a bad back so it's not just age it's uh i was born with a fusion between my sacrum and my L5 or whatever they told me.
And I don't like needles, so I've never had that. I've had the needle.
Can I tell you something? Yeah, tell me. Works.
It works. Oh, yeah.
You had a cortisone shot? Uh-huh. Like after the shot, they give you a little cup of ginger ale and a cookie,

and I was weeping like a baby with gratitude.

It worked so well.

What was the name of your doctor?

I swear to God, I'll send it to you.

Who's afraid of the big bad wolf?

The big bad wolf?

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This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick, and I'm speaking today with Barbara Streisand.
Barbara Streisand is 83, and she's releasing a new album. I have no idea what number this is by now.
I lost count at a million. But it is an album of duets, and it features Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, Seal, and younger artists, including Sam Smith, Ariana Grande, and Tim McGraw.
The album is called The Secret of Life, Partners, Volume 2. And I also wanted to talk about Streisand's recent memoir, which is called, wait for it, My Name is Barbara.
Because if you've been a star as long as Streisand has, the anecdotes pile up and up. Let me ask you about memory.
One of the most fascinating aspects of this book is the sheer power of memory. I know you used a researcher, but there are some things that researchers can't tell you.
For example, you have a meeting with

Marlon Brando, which is just hilarious. And you write, about three hours into the conversation,

he looked into my eyes and he said, I'd like to fuck you. I was taken aback, you say.
That sounds

awful, I said. After a moment of thought, he said, okay, then I'd like to go to a museum with you.
And you say, now that's very romantic. I'd like that.
That's exactly right. I don't think, I guess you can't forget that if that's what happened with Marlon Brando.
But then possibly the greatest line in the whole book, to my mind, is you say, you can't remember if you slept with Warren Beatty.

Now, I don't think anyone has ever written that line in the history of sex or Hollywood or anything.

I know I slept in the bed with him, but I can't remember if we actually had penetration. I swear to God, I can't.
There are certain things I block out. I didn't think I would ever say this in my entire life, but it might be that I'm calling bullshit on Barbra Streisand.
Is that possible? You're calling what? I'm calling BS on that. You can't remember.
That's amazing. No, that's right.
Well, I'll bet he remembers one or another. I can't, but I know we're still friends.
And every year on my birthday, he calls me. And we have a wonderful talk about our lives and our children and so forth.
So we're still friends. I met him when I was 15 years old.
And he was 21, I think. Wow.
Wow. Now, I happen to know that there's a big, apparently there's a big running offer on the table for you from Scott Rudin and Barry Dealer who've been dying for you to do Gypsy on Broadway.
How do you know that? You know, I'm a reporter. Oh my God.
But why would I ever do anything on the stage again like that? I mean, it was horrifying. I mean, I liked, you know, I loved the rehearsal process.
I loved learning, you know, every day and experimenting and all that.

Now, would you do a film version of Gypsy, something like that, where it's not as physically taxing? That's what I wanted to do. I had the script.
I talked to Stephen Sondheim. I had it all down in my head, the musical numbers even.

I had it in my head, what I wanted to do with it.

And unfortunately, and it was my one squabble with Stephen, was that he said,

you can direct it or star in it, but I don't want you to do both at the same time,

even though I did it three times before. Yeah, yeah.
Stephen Sondheim, right? Yeah, he just never really wanted to have it made again, I said. But the other one, he knew he and Arthur Lawrence hated the first time it was made with Rosalind Russell, who couldn't sing.
And they mixed up the play. I wanted to bring back more of the play because Arthur wrote a brilliant play.
But I had musical ideas and so forth. It was such a sadness to me that I could never end my career like bookends, you know.
Let's make some news here. Are you saying it's now still a possibility? No, I can't because of my back.
Even a film? Oh, a film. A film, you know, I thought I could play it because I happen to look young for my age.
Damn straight. Which I like.
I like. But that's interesting about, you know, making Yentl into a musical.
Because this is interesting for me because I love spirituality and miracles. You know, little miracles.
So I hadn't been to see my father's grave ever. Where is he buried? In Long Island, in a cemetery in Long Island.
And I didn't even notice at the time until my brother, who had taken a picture of me standing there, sent me the picture. and in a week I looked and saw that, oh my God,

the tombstone next to my father's. I was wondering whether to make Yentl into a musical or not, And there on the next tombstone, right next to my father's, was the name Anshul.
And Anshul is a very, it's not like the rest of the people in the cemetery was, you know, Moisheh or Robert or Sam or whatever. Anshal, I never saw that.

That's the name in Isaac Singer's book

that Yentl changes her name to as to be a boy, to be a man.

Now, what is that?

That gave me the sign to make Yentl a musical.

Papa, can you hear me?

Thank you. to make Yentl a musical.
Papa, can you hear me? Papa, can you see me? Papa, can you find me in the night? Papa, are you near me? So there are things in my life that are like that. Do you listen to music all day long? Never.
You never listen to music? No. Why? I don't know.
I just don't feel like it. I don't know.
You know, if I listen to music, I like... Collis or somebody like that, you know?

Maria Collis.

Yeah.

I rarely ever do.

I mean, my husband always puts on the radio and then I shut it off or I listen to...

Yeah.

You sound like you really hated, not hated, but well hated performing.

That it made you, didn't make you happy at all.

No, that's right.

I did not like performing.

Yeah.

If I saw one person in the audience in the front, like not applauding, I thought, what's wrong? What didn't he like? Did that ever happen? Once. And I bet you remember the date.
Oh, God, I remember that his feet wouldn't touch the floor. He was very short, obviously.

To hell with him.

And I thought, I was so curious as, why would you sit in the front row and not applaud?

Did you not like the song?

I was fascinated.

You know, did you not like the way I looked, sounded?

What was it?

Why wouldn't you?

Do you remember when, where, what you were singing? I mean,, out of niceness. No, I don't.
I don't remember the song. I just remember looking at him and thinking, it turned out to be one of my old writers from the early days when I first started to sing in shows, you know, was it in the 1970s?

I want to ask you this.

When you're doing a record or a movie or something when you're in your 30s or 40s, I assume you're still, ambition is part of the picture. Do you feel that at this stage of life you are beyond ambition and there's a different approach to whatever project that you decide to take up? Well, I don't know if I want to do anything that's called a project.
I'm really enjoying the secret of life, you know? Can you tell us what that is?

I love my grandchildren.

I love

family. I craved

to have a family,

you know?

I love my son, you know,

we're closer than we ever

were. Did you ever hear his voice?

I haven't.

Oh, you should hear his voice. He has a magical voice.
We did a duet together, too. How much would I cry? Barbara Streisand, thank you so much.
It's just such a pleasure talking with you. Oh, it's nice to talk to you, and I've always enjoyed your writing.
Well, thank you. Yeah, it's wonderful.
And I'll get you that doctor's name. And how much do I love you? I'll tell you.
Bar Barbara Streisand is

Barbara Streisand

Her new album is called The Secret of Life

including duets with Bob Dylan, Ariana Grande Tim McGraw and a slew of others I'm David Remnick Thanks for listening I hope you'll join us next time The New Yorker Radio Hour is a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker. Our theme music was composed and performed by Meryl Garbus of Tune Yards, with additional music by Jared Paul.
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