Nikki Glaser at the Top of Her Game

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Now, a comedy roast is a pretty strange ritual.

A celebrated person submits to public humiliation voluntarily.

Old wounds are poked at, foibles are mocked, scandals re-aired, usually with great obscenity.

The celebrity just sits there showing what a fantastic sport they are, but the discomfort is obvious.

The roaster can't pull a punch if the thing is going to work.

Over the past few years, Nikki Glazer has breathed some new life into this old ritual.

In fact, she really owns the roast form these days.

I probably needn't tell you about Glazer's roast of the quarterback Tom Brady.

It's a phenomenon and if you haven't seen it, it awaits you happily on Netflix.

Nikki Glazer has been on a hot streak ever since, hosting the Golden Globes earlier this year and touring the country with a new show.

So I knew your work just a little bit.

Here and there, you'd be on this show and that show.

And one night,

I just, I was, I was fried.

And so I went on Netflix looking for something to watch.

And there's this Tom Brady roast.

And I thought, you know, this seems particularly mindless.

Let's do this.

Exactly.

And then there you were.

And I kind of barely knew you.

And you killed it.

Killed it.

I hadn't seen anything like that since i don't know prince playing while my guitar gently weeps on an award show 20 years

with uh danny uh harrison uh and that's it tom petty you got it

uh what a comparison that's so nice overnight sensation what goes into being an overnight sensation i mean um

like 22 years of you know doing it all the time of work and of honestly of just not really ever thinking it was going to happen, just really just, just one foot in front of the other.

Just, I was not really in a place of like, when is this going to happen for me?

When are people going to notice?

I really come from a place of like, I probably don't deserve to get noticed.

I'll just keep working and

tricking people along the way is kind of what I thought.

Like people seemed to just like kind of fall for my BS, I guess.

And then this came about.

And I actually, I did advocate for myself to get the Tom Brady Roast.

I knew it was going to be a huge deal.

I didn't know how huge, but I knew, I knew I had it in me to like put the work in.

You say you advocated to get that gig.

Yeah, I did.

How does that work?

Well, I heard it was happening.

And then I just texted the guy who I assumed was going to be in charge of it, Robbie Pra, who is head of comedy at Netflix.

He had scouted me for the Just for Last festival in like 2007.

So I had known him since we were both kind of starting out in the business.

And I just texted him and I said, I really want to do this roast and I think I'd be great at it and he said you know actually I'm going to talk to Tom about it today and Tom Brady had control over who gets to be I think he had yeah roaster I think he was he's an executive producer on it and so I think yeah he was gonna have a say in it and did you have to perform in front of him or did he watch tapes or I think he watched tape I think he was very well versed in roasts getting into it he you know that guy watches tape what was he thinking saying yes to it

I think he was just going for the next challenge, the next thing that other people go, I could never do that.

Because most people know, like, has there been another one since?

You think that was the end of Rose?

I don't think it's the end, but I think it's a really hard spot to fill.

I think that people aren't brave enough to do it.

So talk to me a little bit about what goes into

the preparation for something like that.

I think there's still a mythology that comedians, like singer-songwriters, sit at home at the kitchen table

and they sketch out

one joke after another.

But it's a lot more complicated and a lot more collaborative than that, isn't it?

So you start writing jokes and then you start getting jokes sent in from the people that are on your team.

And by the way, everyone does this.

No one admits that they do it.

Why?

Because you get talked about on podcasts and different things where people say, oh, well, she had writer.

You don't get all the glory.

I don't have a lot of shame in saying that I have help because I know everyone does it.

But the problem is, people on the outside that don't know that everyone has it, they look at me, they can just excuse my talent.

And since when is it not a talent to be able to say, here's what I want, and oh, actually make that better, here's where I want to redo that.

And every script you have seen a movie of, besides Mike White, you know, on White Lotus.

And maybe this season could have used a lot of.

I will not say that.

I love it.

But

and then I look at like late night hosts and I'm like,

we never steal anything from their glory and they have a whole writer's room.

We don't take anything from them.

So you and writers that you select

write endless amounts of jokes, many, many, many more minutes than seven minutes.

Yes.

And then how is it worked out?

How do you

go to clubs, you see what works, what doesn't work?

Well, yeah, you just read them.

You read jokes all day.

You try to make them better.

And then you put a set together and then you start going out.

And you, you know, I think the first time I ran the Tom Brady Rose set, I was doing a corporate gig in Sedona or something.

And I just, you know, my act for corporate gigs is not always the best.

They're kind of confused at some of the themes I'm talking about.

It's just not what they expect because they know me from Rose or they know me from late night appearances where it's a little bit cleaner or.

you know, not so absurd.

And so I was like, oh yeah, I'll just, I'll bring them in on the process because it's really a cool thing for audiences to see the beginning of this thing where I go, okay, I'm doing the Tom Brady Rose.

Can I try out some jokes?

And then you start reading off jokes, you see what hits, and you go, okay, let's try that again.

And the audience doesn't lie.

If you go to the comedy seller and you're working out stuff for what may or may not be in a roast,

what works in the comedy seller is going to work on the roast.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

But what struck me, the New York Times did a piece where they followed you around for, I think, a few weeks.

The degree to which it was so organized, this process,

and how long it took, and how careful, and in a way, unfunny.

I mean, so serious.

It was like a piece about the jet propulsion lab or something.

Yeah, it was that exact and that,

because it's live.

You know, the first three roasts I did, it's a live performance, but

it goes through an edit.

All the laughs can get beefed up after.

What did you know would kill and what were you worried about?

Well, Roast of Tom Brady, not worried at all because they were live.

So there was no margin of error.

There was no one that I was like, this might not work.

Like, you can't have those.

The others, the three roasts I did where you could edit, yeah, I put in some B-plus jokes that sometimes are A's.

The Golden Globes and Tom Brady Roast,

it's live.

So you can't have those.

It might, this could be cool if it works.

And that's not to say that they all did work, but I was really sure of all of those.

How do you pace it out?

I noticed that in the Golden Globes mom,

the opening joke is incredibly short.

Yeah.

Which was.

It was welcome to the Golden Globes, Ozempic's Biggest Night.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

You know, for the Ozempic's Biggest Night, I just knew it was like, welcome to the Golden Globes.

Like, I just knew that's the cadence I wanted, the rhythm.

And I knew that I wanted a joke immediately.

I don't want them to have to wait for it.

That's something that I talked to, I was doing a podcast with Lori Kilmartin and Jackie Cashian, two amazing stand-up comedians.

And I was talking about how I just never understand when comedians go out on stage and like don't have a really quick joke right away to win over the audience.

They kind of like dawdle a little bit.

Any late night set you've seen of mine, you can go back and look.

Any set,

I have a laugh.

right away.

Like I don't waste any time.

And it's not because I'm like, that's what the audience deserves.

It's because I don't, I don't want them to be like, what are we doing here?

Like I, and they said, they go, well, that's being a female comic because as, and I don't play that card often, but I will play that on that one because

when a man gets on stage you're like that looks like a comedian to me I'm gonna give him a little bit more leeway to make me laugh okay I bet he's gonna make me laugh so I'll I'll sit and listen to him not make me laugh to I trust the laugh is coming

well it just never goes away it that that feeling of um not being worthy or being um being thought of as less than um and it's wrapped up in also a other like underlying uh lack of self-worth that I have that permeates everything I do but I think it part of it is I just know that people think women aren't as funny.

So I have to prove it right away and be like, see?

And then like, can we all just relax and you can trust me?

Kind of thing.

So this leap in success seems to have done

only a modest amount to alleviate problems with self-worth and anxiety.

It's done nothing.

It's done nothing.

No, I would say nothing.

I'm trying to let it in.

There's moments where I get, you know,

compliments from people I really admire and they say it in a way that I'm like, oh, that's the way you say it when you mean it.

They're not just being nice, and they'll break through a little bit, and I'll go, Okay, yeah, I'll take that in.

Like, this person wouldn't lie to me.

I just don't, I don't really bask in things.

And it's, it's not because I like to be tortured.

I just,

I don't know.

I just don't feel like,

well, I think part of it is I don't want to take it in because when it goes away, inevitably, I don't want to be sad.

And I'm not going to be able to do it.

You say inevitably.

I mean, it doesn't.

There's no one who's been immune to success being kind of pulled away from you.

Like you're only on top for so long.

It's going to descend.

And I just want to be okay with it.

But you're surrounded by comedians who have had, sure, they've had ups and downs.

Yeah.

But somebody like Tina Fey, I mean, Pohler.

Yeah.

And from year to year, it might vary, but these are long careers that are developing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're scared to admit that that might possibly be you?

I mean.

Because here's the thing.

It seems like that's exactly what's happening.

I mean, that's, it's un I'm starting to let that in, that like, okay, I might be reaching a level where it's not going to go away and it's always going to be there and it might go up and down like you're saying, but

it's immense pressure.

And

I almost am tired of hearing myself say it, but I just have imposter syndrome.

I just, you know, there's, I don't know how to beat it, but I just constantly feel like

I've tricked someone or someone's gonna realize that I'm not as talented as I am or as people think that I am.

I'm tempted to begin the question by saying join the club.

And I think that's an enormous human club.

But also,

is there anybody that you talk to in your world specifically

who sets things right for you, makes you feel a little bit better about what the possibilities are?

I mean,

and I think you've said elsewhere that you sometimes or constantly wish you were someone else.

Yeah,

a lot of times.

I mean, today I'm in a great mood and I love my life and I'm happy with like, but it's day to day.

It's day, it's hour to hour.

Like, it really is.

I wish I wasn't like this, but I can be so

content.

This isn't a bit.

This is I am, this is annoying.

Like, I don't like talking about all of this because it seems like I'm just trying to garner sympathy or something, or that it's, I'm trying to be like relatable.

Oh, it's the famous girl that doesn't think she deserves it.

Like, we've all seen that of like, no, I don't know.

I'm, I'm, I'm just like you.

Like it's not, it's not a bit.

Because there are some times where I'm like, well, you nailed that.

Like the golden globes I nailed, like the Tom Brady Roast, I nailed.

Can I watch those back?

Absolutely not.

Because in my mind, they went great.

But.

you know, the clips I have seen or come across when I just quickly go, oh, God.

There's, there's things that I go, why did you say it like that?

Like, you, why did you look like that?

There's, there's a million things that I would correct.

But, um, and yes, there are people in my life that make me feel amazing about where I'm at and

ground me and all those things.

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So, in an earlier part of your life, and I hate this phrase, but you would take the edge off

by drinking.

Oh, you quit drinking.

Uh-huh.

How do you relieve things now?

I say,

I text my friends and my boyfriend, and my, and I say, I really say crazy things.

I think drinking or whatever I would do to self-soothe that anxiety or that self-hatred to make that voice go away, it's not there anymore.

I don't have that.

So I just let that voice rage and I just say crazy stuff about myself.

And I just like bully myself.

Like, you know, a lot of sometimes my self-hatred has to do with my looks because it's not really about my looks, but it's just something I can focus on.

And so I will like Photoshop things to prove to my friends, like, I am ugly.

Look how much I look like this person.

I'll do like side by sides.

And

just recently, you put some photographs out.

How did that happen?

Oh, yeah.

That, okay, this is.

Explain what I'm talking about.

Yes, okay.

So I did the tonight show on last Monday.

And by the way, I was so depressed that early morning.

And then I, and then I just started wrapping my head around, you have to be on Jimmy Fallon.

And then my mood starts lifting because I just have to turn into, it's not even a character.

It just, I have no room to be depressed anymore.

I can't go out on Jimmy Fallon sad.

Yeah, you just can't do it.

It's like, so it went away on its own.

So I did Jimmy Fallon and I saw one of the pictures where I'm like walking, like I'm walking out and I'm like, ah, like my face is like, eh.

And I was like, where have I seen that face?

And I was like, oh my God, that's the same face I made when I walked out on the first tonight show I ever did.

There's like a picture of me like, what year is that?

2009, January 2009.

and then cut to March 2025.

And I was like, oh, let me just do side-by-sides and put out this Instagram post of like me and Jimmy at the desk, me and Jay Leno at the desk, me and Jimmy, you know.

And just I, it was more a thing of like, how adorable was, look at this young girl and look where I am now.

It wasn't about like,

look where I've been.

It was also to be like, hey, I've been around a while.

Like, isn't this funny?

Like, I was on this tonight show.

You had no clue who I was until last May and I've been around this long.

It was just and it was just like, all right, I'll just put this out.

And I didn't read, I don't read comments.

I don't read any of my Google alerts.

I don't.

I'm possibly calling bullshit on that.

I think you do.

It sounds like you do read comments.

I don't.

Here's, I will, I will, I'm being 100% honest with you.

I do know.

And you can check with my social media manager, knows sometimes I will post something and I'll just be in the mood because it's just something lighthearted that they can't really go after.

So I'll just, I'll read the first comments that pop up because it just went up and I'm just like, I'm on it.

and i'll see it and then i'll stop immediately a second something upsets me but that is maybe once every three months i will do that otherwise zero and you know sometimes you can't help it you're on reddit and you see your own name and you go and then

but i don't i don't click on the comments i just don't so but then i was i don't even know how i saw it but it was some

Some post, I'll look at my tagged photos or something because I need to just write, thanks for coming to the show.

And there was one that was like, Nikki Glazer used to be ugly like fat and ugly and look she had this glow up and she's this is her new ozempic body which i'm like you're conflating i would i don't think ozempic this crap is all over the web it's all over there but i didn't know i thought i saw it was going like kind of mid-viral of like oh nikki glazer she changed through the years i didn't know it was like she was fat and ugly and now she's not and then people are commenting oh this is what money will buy you and i'm like yeah that's what i tell you come see my show i tell you everything i do i'm not claiming that this is like oh I'm just loving my life now like people are commenting shitty things about me that I'm like yeah I said that first you don't get to say that and so it was really I go oh they are being mean you've talked about not making political work too often and you were recently quoted saying this oh god you just are scared that you're gonna get doxxed and death threats or who knows where this leads like detained yes honestly that's not even like a joke it's like a real fear you said that but i said that i wonder what you make of Elon Musk talking about the need to legalize comedy at CPAC

in February.

I mean, I don't think anything of it.

I don't believe anything.

And

I will say for that quote, I feel like taken out of context, I seem

alarmist.

Have you had that experience?

Taken out of context?

No, no, no.

Getting doxxed and death threats.

No, but I,

you know, I've seen it happen.

We see it happen to other people.

I don't think I'm going to be detained for talking about my vagina on stage or something, but

you look at other

countries where things have gone haywire and people have lost their freedom of speech.

And if you speak out about the leader and if you don't hang his portrait in your house, you end up like Lenny Bruce.

You worse, you just disappear.

It's not, I'm not saying it's happening right now.

I'm not saying it's happening anytime soon, but it's within the scope of possibilities.

And so, yeah, I mean, like at this point, I've been, I'm not like one of the most outspoken people against our president, but I have definitely,

you know, if you're paying attention, you know how I feel.

And that sometimes scares me to be like, whoa, how do, what's going to be my defense?

And my defense is that he's so hot.

I really think he's, I mean, I might not agree with what he does, but he's really, like, I'm really attracted to him.

Yeah.

I want to go on record to saying that I think he's one of the hottest men that's ever lived.

And,

you know, like you just hope

that things don't get worse.

I think, I mean, right now I feel very safe.

I'm not like worrying for my life.

I was just talking about, you know,

that quote was from the Mark Twain Prize at the Kennedy Center.

It was in the air that night.

And I think people are making fun of me for being like, Nikki Glazer thinks she's going to be detained.

I don't.

It's just, it's happened before in the history of the world a lot.

Nick,

you don't do political material all that much, but some years ago, I think it was eight years ago, at the Rob Lowe Roast, you offered some

pretty searing political commentary when it came to Ann Coulter.

Let's listen to a clip.

Oh, do we have to?

Yeah.

And without further ado, Ann Coulter!

Oh, Anne.

What's it like to be like a real-life super villain?

You know, like,

I'd ask you how you sleep at night, but I'd assume just upside down in a robe of 101 Dalmatians.

Ann Coulter has written 11 books, 12, if you count Mein Kampf.

Yes.

Ann's been called things like a racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, a white supremacist, and that's just while getting plowed by Bill Maher.

I don't remember that joke.

I put it in there.

Yeah, that's...

That was hard to listen to.

Wow, you seem like you feel bad about it now.

No, I don't feel bad.

I just, I would have chosen different jokes and different delivery.

I feel bad about the delivery.

And I feel bad like I didn't go harder.

Like I would have just liked to just really say it bluntly.

Like, you're a terrible person.

Like, what, what?

I think, you know, saying like, what's it like to be a real life super villain?

I wish I wouldn't have really like laughed in between.

I can tell that I was like nervous that she was like not going to like me, but I probably would have done the same thing now because it's, it's hard to tell these things to people who you're looking at and who you actually feel that way about.

You saw that they canceled the gig of the comedian at the White House correspondence.

I saw that, yeah.

Jesus, would you take that gig?

No.

Why?

It's you bomb no matter what.

It's a big room.

Even when it's a good room, it's a bad room.

It's a horrible room.

Yeah, even, you know, in

past years when it was felt safer.

It's just not, yeah, it's a bad room.

And so, and also you're just, I don't, you know, I don't want to alienate people and I don't want to make enemies.

And I don't like having headlines written about me where it's like,

I don't like headlines.

I, I would rather like just, you know, I like good.

I don't want to,

yeah, I don't still want to stir up stuff.

I mean, my parents would be so proud if I did a gig like that.

Why?

What's it?

Because they.

For political reasons?

Yeah.

What are their politics?

I mean, they're, they're, the, they're almost, you know,

they're, they're very liberal.

They're almost too liberal.

What do you mean?

It's just, it's like, it's like,

you just can't, they're watching Fox News to hate it.

You know, like they're, they're,

they're hate watching.

They're, they're, there's, they're,

it's knocked years of their lives off of them, the stress that this president has has caused them.

But yeah, they would be very proud if I did that.

But they also like when I'm safe and happy.

So I think that they, they actually would, wouldn't want me to, because they want me to be safe.

When is that?

When are you safe?

When are you feeling happy?

When when I'm watching White Lotus, when I'm done with work,

when I get to be around my family, when we get to go out for dinner.

Like I live in St.

Louis, so I'm...

Why do you live in St.

Louis, away from LA, away from New York?

Because I went back for COVID.

I was living in New York during when the pandemic started.

I went back to just hang out.

with my parents to wait for it to blow over.

It didn't.

I just was scared and single and just was like, I want to be with my mommy and daddy and I love them.

They're really cool.

They're funny.

They're like my, they're my friends now.

And so I, I lived with my parents for a year.

And then I was like,

I looped here when I was 36.

Yeah.

How'd that go?

It was awesome.

I didn't want to go.

They kind of were like, listen, you got to move on.

I mean, I was, I was.

They kind of did.

They were like, this isn't, this is fun.

We're all having a good time, but you got to grow up.

And

we all knew it.

I mean, I had been out of their house for years at that point.

And I had a huge career.

Like, I was touring theaters from my parents' house.

So it's, and

it was really,

but I am, you know, I have, there's a failure to launch kind of thing going on with me.

I am a little bit stunted.

Yeah, but you can't do that.

You can't pull that off anymore.

You are launched into outer space at this point.

But I still, I mean, if I'm

home alone in St.

Louis, if my boyfriend's not there, I sleep at my parents' house every single time.

I don't like being alone.

I like hanging out with them.

We watch TV late.

Like, that's my happy time is being with my family.

So that's why I live in St.

Louis.

I just was there and then I would go to fly to New York or LA for TV stuff.

And no one seemed to notice I didn't live there.

Right.

And I was at a point in my career where if they are not willing to buy me a Southwest ticket, the gig's not worth it.

You know, like they, people can,

I'm not asking to stay at the nicest places or for first class.

So I'm just like, well, if you're not willing to fly me out and put me up, like, I don't really want the gig.

So it's, it's nice to just be with my family while they're still kicking.

Nikki, finally, how do you view your future?

I really want to work on

my goal for myself is to just, I want more self-acceptance because I'm not going to get smarter.

I'm not going to get more talented.

Like all these things I'm waiting to happen.

Like I wish I was this person.

I wish I was as funny as that person or as smart or as detail oriented or organized or beautiful.

The beauty thing I can work on, there's money to be be poured into that.

But I think I just want to get, I want to be accepting of, and I am accepting of most things, but I want to, I want to do like ayahuasca.

I want to do like mushroom trips.

Like, I want to do some

spiritual journeys.

Do you know how much vomiting is involved in the ayahuasca process?

Do you know how bulimic I was in college?

I can handle it.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

This is so fun.

It's always good to end with a bulimia joke.

Right?

Nikki Glazer is, of course, on tour.

And if you missed her hosting the Golden Globe Awards this year, she'll be hosting them again next year.

That's the New Yorker Radio Hour for today.

I'm David Remnick.

Thanks for listening.

See you next time.

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