Why Aren’t More Young Republicans Running For Congress?

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I'm Sarah McCammon.

I cover politics.

I'm Elena Moore.

I also cover politics.

And I'm Claudia Garisales.

I cover Congress.

Today on the podcast, young Democrats are jumping into races for congressional seats, but their conservative counterparts are not.

Why?

But first, Congress returns to Washington today after their August recess.

I don't know about you guys, but I need an August recess.

Can we have August recess here?

Yeah, I know.

We didn't get that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, Claudia, House Speaker Mike Johnson actually sent the House home a day early back in July, as you'll remember, in an effort to tamp down the controversy around the the disgraced financier and convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein.

But the issue isn't really going away, is it?

No.

Republicans are coming back basically to face the music.

It went right before they left, as you mentioned.

Speaker Johnson sent them home early because Democrats kept bringing up the Epstein.

case in the House Rules Committee to vote on it.

They didn't want to vote on it anymore.

So Republicans are basically trying a new strategy here because they're hearing all these complaints from their base that they're not being transparent enough with the Epstein files and releasing them to the public.

So the House Oversight Committee had a very busy August issuing subpoenas for documents, for witnesses.

I heard today from sources that survivors connected to the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein will be meeting behind closed doors with the House Oversight Committee and Democrats will speak to the press.

We expect the chairman, James Comer of Kentucky, to speak to the press afterwards.

We will see how much they share publicly, but this is highly anticipated.

So I guess the hope was that this would sort of blow over or calm down by the time everybody came back.

It doesn't really look that way.

I mean, Elena, this controversy has been sort of out of the spotlight for several weeks now, but have the politics around it changed?

Yeah, I think Mike Johnson sending the House home early almost ignited further this firestorm that we really saw online over the Epstein files, the way that the administration handled it.

You know, this summer we have seen prominent voices on the right, like we said in Trump's base, but also folks in that more middle section, that disaffected voter group, kind of latch onto this issue.

And ideas have kind of festered in the recess time that members have been away.

We've seen prominent podcasters like Joe Rogan talk about it on his show.

We've seen polling that it's an issue that's really resonated, especially with younger folks, especially young men.

And so, you know, we can't overstate how this is going to affect it, but people are definitely watching to see what lawmakers do now that they're back.

And it's interesting how Democrats jumped on this issue.

They knew that the Republican base was upset about this.

They inflamed it.

It's part of a political calculation here.

And this week, they could see a House floor vote for a full record release of the Epstein files.

This is being also led by Republican from Kentucky, Thomas Massey.

That congressman has teamed up with Rocana of California, and they've done what's referred to as a discharge petition.

So you can force a vote on the House floor.

Meanwhile, Speaker Johnson and other Republicans are going to have another vote supporting the House Oversight Committee's work.

So it's going to be a battle of the votes and who's being more transparent than who.

Yeah, and I think that's an important point.

This isn't just a Democrat-Republican fight.

I mean, there are divisions within the GOP on how to handle handle this.

You know, lawmakers also have other work to do as they return.

Also on the agenda is an effort to avoid a government shutdown when funding runs out at the end of September.

Claudia, remind us how we got here.

Right.

So earlier this year, the members of the Republican Party in Congress decided just to go it alone on funding the government.

They went with a basically another one of these so-called continuing resolutions.

It's a stopgap measure that keeps funding levels traditionally static.

But they needed Democrats' help in the Senate to get this done.

So, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer allowed this legislation to get us to this point of September 30th, the funding for the government to go through.

He needed several Democrats to join him, and he got a lot of backlash for that and even calls for his resignation.

So, we don't know how Democrats are going to handle it other than they say they're going to fight harder and and listen to their base and Republicans just want to keep funding levels static and that's a no-go for Democrats.

Elena, what does the Democratic base want at this point?

What's your sense from your reporting?

They faced a similar fight as Claudia just mentioned earlier this year, but I mean, is there an appetite among the Democratic base for a fight and potentially a shutdown?

It feels like Groundhog Day because the same things we were talking about before they left are kind of the same things that folks are feeling now.

Democrats want to see their party not roll over and just let Trump do do what he's going to do.

And I think that's what a lot of people thought by Leader Schumer's response several months back.

So I think the conversation still is this demand to see some sort of fight, some sort of pushback.

But again, that's when we get Democrats kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place, right?

Because it's either they shut down the government and are at fault for the things that follow from that, or they, again, let Republicans proceed and continue this message of we're powerless, we can't do anything.

And so I I think it's going to be a really hard place, and it's going to come down to just Democratic messaging and how strong the party can message and explain the position they're in.

And up till this point, we really haven't seen that resonate.

I mean, big picture question for both of you.

What has changed, if anything, since March, the last time the government almost ran out of money?

Well, for Democrats, we saw them take quite the beating from their constituents that they are not stopping enough of what they see as damage to government funding and to programs and services.

And we've seen these rescission packages go through.

For example, one was approved earlier this year that cut funding for foreign aid.

And now more recently, President Trump did a pocket rescission.

This cuts Congress out completely.

They should have 45 days to deliberate, but because less than that in terms of those 45 days is left, he was able to proceed with this to claw back another $5 billion.

So there are tensions on both sides.

Republicans are trying to thread the needle with President Trump and his demands.

He weighs in a lot on these processes, and Democrats are trying to listen to their base.

Yeah, I was going to say on the Republican side, navigating the politics has been really tricky, right?

Because they're doing things like trying to sell the so-called big, beautiful bill, despite some of the pushback we've seen around these social programs.

And then at the same time, with the Epstein conversation, balancing all of these levels while while still kind of keeping up that push of being transparent and talking to voters, because we haven't seen as many Republican-held town halls, right, during the recess?

Exactly.

That was really interesting over the break.

We saw many really have a tough time with constituents that showed up just visibly angry about cuts to Medicaid that were passed as part of President Trump's signature bill this summer.

So it is difficult.

Republicans are facing a lot of accusations that they're ceding their power to Trump.

Yeah, I mean, it seems like so much of the Republican message is anti-government, cutting government, reducing the size of government.

And it seems to me like Democrats really don't have a lot of levers they can pull here.

It seems like their options are either go along with that or

shut down the government, which, as you both said, could have political fallout and in some ways could play into Republicans' hands.

But, you know, we'll see which way they go, I guess, in the next few weeks.

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Elena, you've been reporting that although there is a growing number of Democrats under age 40 who want to run for Congress, there are not as many Republicans in that same age group doing the same thing.

What are you seeing?

Yeah, so far, I mean, and it's changing.

You know, this could look different as we get closer to the midterms.

But by my count, I've seen roughly 20 or so Democrats in their 20s and 30s announce bids for either special elections this year or midterm races next year.

On the Republican side, I have been able to find one so far, you know, and that is Mason Foley.

He's a 28-year-old running in a special election in Tennessee's 9th district.

That's a seat held by former Republican Congressman Mark Green, who resigned earlier this year.

He's definitely a long shot candidate, Foley, as many young first-time candidates are.

It's a crowded field.

But, you know, watching his campaign and seeing his announcement video, we get a sense of what the young Republican pitch might be.

President Trump's legislative policies are making real progress.

But he needs a new generation of conservative leaders to step up and help finish what he started.

We have to put the American dream back in reach.

You know, Elena, it's kind of surprising.

I mean, we heard so much about how Trump picked up support among young voters, especially young men, in this last election.

So why aren't more younger Republicans running for office?

I don't think we should read in too much to it yet.

I think more than anything, it's showing these two

sides of the generation may have a different strategy about getting involved in Congress.

I think when I've talked to young Republican organizers and leaders in this space, they say, unlike young Democrats, as we've talked about, they are happy with their leaders in Congress.

They won majorities in the House and the Senate.

They won the presidency.

And so, you know, if they don't want to mess with that, that leaves very few open seats, safe seats on top of that, that young Republicans can really go for.

And I think on top of that, there's also this like adherence to a more traditional climbing of the ranks on the Republican side that we've seen on the Democratic side and more respect for that process, they would argue.

And that's something I talked about with Adam Pennings, who is the executive director of Run Gen Z, which is a group that helps young conservatives run for state.

or local office.

And here's how he kind of described the difference.

We have young people who are in state house and state senate and county commissioner seats waiting in the wings for when their congressman, when he steps down or she steps down, then they'll step up.

Whereas on the other side, it's a lot more of try to fight in, maybe even some might say a dog eat dog.

You know, and he also said when young Republicans do step up, he argues they're more welcomed by their party than young Democrats would be.

Yeah, I mean, we've seen a number of Democratic members of Congress announce recently that they won't seek re-election.

Claudia, how much pressure have Democratic leaders been under from the party's younger wing in that regard?

Quite a bit.

This is a very big time in terms of a period of self-reflection for Democrats.

When we look back, for example, when there was pressure for President Biden to step down, that was a big moment for Democrats to really consider where are we in terms of our younger future leaders of this party.

We were just talking about leader Chuck Schumer earlier and he faced that heat and those calls to step down.

He was being too conservative.

That's what we heard from younger members.

And so we've seen this play out again and again all over the country.

For example, I was in Texas recently and the member who represents Central Texas has for a very long time, Lloyd Doggett, really hit a difficult moment with facing off against Greg Kassar.

Kassar got got redistricted out of his district because of a new map in Texas that was approved recently.

And so Kassar and Doggett were battling it out for several weeks as to who would represent Austin.

And Doggett finally said he would retire.

This long time member would leave Congress.

And Kassar, who is chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, would take over as a lead candidate, the lead Democrat to represent that shrinking blue dot in Austin.

And we should say, you know, Kassar is 36.

He's a millennial.

He's totally in this generational bracket.

And just yesterday, longtime New York Congressman Jerry Nadler, who's 78, says he's planning to retire.

He says he hopes to see someone younger step in.

I mean, do you expect more of these kinds of announcements?

It's very possible.

We'll see some of the older Democrats make those sort of announcements.

Interestingly enough, Nadler was heading up the House Judiciary Committee until very recently.

Jamie Raskin took over that role when they were going through this period of picking their ranking, their top-ranking members on various committees.

And this issue of age came up and Nadler was forced to step aside.

So this seems to be part of a progression for Democrats not to fall into the same mistakes they made last year supporting Biden and not knowing that Biden was really not in the best shape to continue for reelection.

Yeah, but I don't think it's completely clear-cut.

You know, there have already been several examples of, you know, longtime Democrats in their 80s and their 70s who have said they're going to run again or have filed for re-election.

I mean, a top example, I think, is Nancy Pelosi.

She's 85.

She filed her paperwork to run for re-election last fall.

She's facing a challenger who's in his late 30s.

So I think it's going to be really interesting because on the other side, we have seen some really high-profile people, long-time Democratic heroes.

On top of Nadler, who did also have a primary challenger.

He had a 26-year-old organizer announce over the summer that they were going to challenge him.

But we saw a similar thing with Jan Schakowski in Chicago, a longtime progressive stalwart in the party.

And she had

a really high-profile 26-year-old challenger.

And now, since she has announced she's going to retire, that district has almost a handful of folks under 40 that are all vying for that seat.

It's really interesting.

You know, I think it's worth remembering President Trump is 79 years old, the person at the top of the party.

At the same time, the Republican Party hasn't had this same perception.

They had a lot of younger candidates in the primary last year.

When it comes to the messaging, Elena, how does the messaging you're seeing from those younger Democrats compare to what you're seeing from younger Republicans around this question of age?

I think the overlap is they're both calling for new blood, but the reason is quite different.

On the Democratic side, they are angry with Trump and their own party.

On the Republican side, they are happy with Trump and want to help their party.

That's a very different attitude.

And, And, you know, I talked to Hayden Padgett, who's the chairman of the Young Republican National Federation, and he told me, you know, young conservatives don't have, as he put it, the same level of rudderless discontent with their party, which I thought was quite a phrase.

But, you know, and it's, I mean, it's true in the numbers.

Of that 20 or so young folks that are running for Congress, I've counted 10.

It was just 11, but now that Nadler has announced he's retiring, 10 young people who are challenging sitting Democrats.

They're not all older Democrats, but they're people who are either

folks say need to step aside, let a younger generation lead, or folks that these challengers argue have been ineffective leaders, which is a really strong message to put against your own party in a year where you're trying to take back the House and

I think the DNC would argue focus on seats they want to win over rather than intra-party fights where they already have control.

Yeah, you can see on Capitol Hill, for example, when it comes to this age issue, Republicans have just had more success with their more senior members, while Democrats have not.

It is proven time and time again to be an issue for them, and it's one they're trying to course correct on.

All right, we're gonna leave it there for today.

I'm Sarah McCammon, I cover politics.

I'm Elena Moore, I also cover politics.

And I'm Claudia Grizeles, I cover Congress.

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