‘Pluribus’ Episode 7: The Parallel Journeys of ‘The Gap’

Hello, welcome back to the Frest News TV Podcast Feed. I'm Joanna Robinson.
I'm Rob Mahoney. We're here in person, talk about episode seven, the gap.
What is the gap? Yeah, Rob,

what could that episode title mean, do you think? I don't know. I feel like it could refer to a great many things.

I like to think of it as, you know, maybe the gap between all of us as we isolate ourselves and certainly as these two characters are kind of drifting further apart philosophically.

You don't think Carol in her new sort of like embrace materialism phase went to the gap? Oh, she definitely might have. I mean, look, definitely kind of gap styled at times.
Yeah.

Could it have anything to do with the thing we got one million emails about last week, the Darien gap? Judging by our inbox, it is possible.

It does seem like that could be a consideration that may be dealt with in this episode.

Okay, so we're here to talk about Pluribus episode seven, The Gap, written by Jen Carroll, directed by Adam Bernstein, in which we check in on Carol over the scope of a month.

And then presumably Manusos on a month-long journey up to, from Paraguay to New Mexico. Guys, you cannot drive there directly.
So we have learned. So we have learned.

Thank you for all your educational process for us, Joe. Thank you for all your emails about about the Darien Gap.
Some of them were very polite. Some of them were rude, but that's okay.

We appreciate all of that. But if we didn't know about the Darien Gap before, we'd certainly know about it now.
We do.

I just want to say really quickly, we did get one email about the TV show Long Way Up, which is the Ewan McGregor TV show where he and his friend Charlie took motorcycles from the tip of South America up to Los Angeles.

Did I watch that show? Yes. Did I not finish that show? Correct.
Episode eight is when they encountered the Darien Gap and I did not get there. Should have done your due diligence.

How do you feel about us doing a travel, a travelogue show, Joe? No.

Can it be wine-based? It can be wine-based. It can be Darien Gap-based if you like.
I mean, this did seem a little,

it seemed a little perilous for my tastes. And certainly we couldn't be driving through it, but maybe that's a hiking, not bottle episode, but a little side quest.
All right.

How's your, how are your machete skills?

Not great at carterizing. Okay, no, like that part I'm not looking forward to.
Okay. Everything we learned from our lovely listeners about cannibalism and the Darien Gap aside.

How did you like this episode?

I fucking loved it.

I thought this was just like one of the most beautiful episodes of TV I've seen this year. Yeah.
Really? And hit a lot of boxes for me.

I know everyone is coming to Plurbus for something very different.

And there's, I'm sure a viewer of the show is like, I just want to find out the next steps with the virus, with the aliens, hypothetically, with whatever is happening in this show.

This is like the deconstruction. of our two most human characters or at least central human characters.
And it's shot in a way where I'm just like, good lord, like the Chilean coastline.

Good lord, these like the beautiful kind of like scenescapes of an apocalypse, effectively, and using those to advantage to indicate the isolation of these characters, but also the beauty and the natural wonder of these spaces.

And like, it kind of is laying out the argument for and against humanity at the same time, just by how beautiful this episode is. No, I love that.
Something that.

you know, I like to do, obviously, as you know, is sort of scrub through the official pods. Sometimes those tidbits are just extra, you know, cherry on the cake of our discussion.

But in this case, I think Adam Bernstein, who's the director of this episode, who was a frequent Breaking Bad director, a Battle Carl Saul director. He directed our hooked episode for Breaking Bad.

Correct. Yeah.
And is a music video director as well. And so his

history directing like the Love Shack music video for the B52s, Hey Ladies for the Beastie Boys, Baby Got Back for Sir Mixal. Oh my god.
Like this is a guy. But like the, his, his.

So he's directed a lot of different kinds of landscapes, as you're alluding to with Baby God Back. But I think

his use of sort of visual storytelling,

quick edits, musicality, all of that really works inside of this episode. Also, hearing how they shot it.
over time, some of it in Spain, some of it across different states, somewhat out of order.

So for the actors to have to, you know, for Vesca, who plays Manusos, for him to get into the right emotional space based on where he's driving at, what point in the timeline, there's just so much effort that went into making this incredible episode and something that i thought that was so interesting that adam bernstein talked about having worked with vince's crew through breaking bad through better call soul is that they have this kind of unofficial motto in the writer's room which is can we do this scene with no dialogue yeah like that they'll they'll write a scene and they'll be like but can we do it with no dialogue and

This episode is a real testament to that approach because I really feel like with Minusos, especially, who we've spent less time with, we are on such, and we just have to be with him emotionally through this largely silent trek that he takes.

And then, when he does speak, which we'll talk about when we get there, it's so powerful.

It's really amazing what they've already done with this character in, as you said, very limited screen time, certainly very limited dialogue time, actual human beings, muttering to himself in a rainforest a little bit more.

The cat is gray. The cat is gray.

But also, I think it's just a testament to Vince Gilligan and his casting directors in particular, Sharon Biali and Sherry Thomas. Like,

this feels like Ray Seahorn on Better Call Salt. It feels like the emergence of a fascinating, like naturalistic actor who is never boring.

Every time he's on screen, I just like am transfixed by whatever he is reacting to in that moment. And it never feels like too much or too little.
It's like, I am just like so fully in this thing.

And that's a product of great filmmaking. It's a great product of great editing.
Absolutely. But you can't do it if you can't hold the screen.
Right.

And for Veska to be doing that with, frankly, like very little on the page to read, I think it's just remarkable acting work from him so far.

I want to shout out two other people on the production side to YesANU and say that Jen Carroll, who wrote this episode, is her first

written by credit that she's ever had. So what a cool episode to have that on.
And then Chris McCaleb, who hosts the official podcast, is an editor on the show and he edited this episode.

So like the incredible work that he did putting together and the great work he does on that podcast. So I just want to shout out Chris as well.

But this is, I mean, I just thought this was like a masterpiece of television, really, really good stuff. And I think it

based on how you're reacting, I mean, I didn't listen to the watch, but I know that Chris and Andy were divided on this episode because Chris told me that they were, and that Andy didn't really respond to it.

And I know that like some people aren't responding to the show as a whole or this episode, but for me, it really hit what I really like about this and a Gilligan show in particular, where you are forced to really marinate in

the emotional journey. So, when we get to the point of Minusos' journey

where he is injured bodily, where he can't go on anymore, I am devastated in a way that I would not be if I hadn't, you know, watched him sort of

suck all that gasoline out of cars and like do all the other things that he did along the way. Do you know what I mean? Completely.

I mean, it's taking these two characters to their absolute breaking points. And in doing so, like something very human, right?

Like, I think that kind of, the kind of growth we're seeing from any character, like, that's something the hive mind can't do.

Like, they are a static entity working to complete optimization in a lot of different ways.

But like, one thing I was wondering when watching this is like, can the hive mind even comprehend the contempt that Minusos has to set his own beloved car on fire just to prove a point?

Is that like a thing that the hive mind understands of like, you're saying you understand that this is an important car to me? Right.

I hate you saying that so much that I'm going to set it and the Virgin Mary on fire to spite you.

Is that like, do you think that's something that's like within their realm of experience to collectively grasp? Are you saying that for Minusos, the car is Helen? Oh my God. I didn't even think of it.

The audacity of you to

say you understand my grief. But there is something, I think there is something specifically to that of, look, in many ways as human beings, we are desperately yearning to be known.
Yeah.

And then when somebody is like overly familiar with you who doesn't actually know you, it triggers this reflexive anger in all of us that like the hive mind would not really have.

Nothing on this planet is yours. You cannot give me anything because all that you have is stolen.
You, light or click, don't belong here. Sick.
Like very deeply sick.

Very, very good stuff from Minusos in this episode. I thought that was incredible.

I mean, another benefit, as you mentioned, Joe, of just like having such a quiet episode is when a character like Minusos does speak up to other people, everything stops.

Like, this is what I mean by his naturalistic acting style. I could have stayed in that moment of him lighting his lighter and just ready to torch his car in flames.

I could have stayed like suspended in that moment for an hour because of just like him holding that scene, him holding that moment, the break in the dialogue, like the pacing of everything he's delivering.

I think it's just really remarkable.

I think what's also incredible, and you know, obviously we'll talk about what Carol's going through in this episode, but I think what's also incredible is the great tragedy of this episode, not just his failure, you know, basically like, I don't know, Christopher Nolan, take notes, this is an odyssey.

Like there's the failure that he experiences and then also the tragedy of Carol holding out for so long

and then collapsing back into the arms of the hive mind before he has a chance to get there. And the questions we're asking ourselves, like, will, you know, he's going to be...

perhaps airlifted to her doorstep. We don't know what the hive mind's going to do against his wishes, but that might happen.
And then is he going to be like, oh, you are just like one of them. Yeah.

Do you know? And that's devastating because she held out by herself, feeling like she's all alone in the world for so long. Here comes someone who wants to be on your team.

And the timing is just, just not right.

You know, I joke about the gap, but like it is there and it's widening between them, despite the fact that, you know, Minusos was so inspired by Carol's tapes and was like, has been

him making the effort to go through the gap. You're right.
It is an odyssey, It's incredible to watch. It's devastating in the end of him finally reaching for the drone heavens for help.
Yeah.

Like him having to make that concession is like gut level painful in the same way that Carol collapsing into Zosha's arms is gut level painful.

You would love to see a world in which these characters can hold out the appropriate amount of time to be just successful and valiant enough, but that's like just not what Plurbis is right now.

That's not what. humanity often is.
Bad news for all of us, but yeah. I think that also the to have both of them have these sort of like eye in the sky moments.

Like we've had these drone bits of comedy throughout, but this idea that Carol has to write a message that, you know, the gods can see, and Minusos has to sort of reach up to the heavens.

And we have all the, you know, there's like a shot of Carol with the clouds behind her, back lit.

Very knives out, very wake-up dead man, right?

We need that for our set deck. Can we get some steepling lighting through the window, please? Yeah, some natural lighting inside of the studio, please.

And then,

and, you know, and Minusos having to like look up to the heavens, the Virgin Mary iconography, him sleeping in a church. There's just very much like the hive mind as God.
Yes.

Underlined, bold italics inside of this episode. Which, I mean, isn't it? You know, like at the point where you

can snap your fingers and a red Gatorade descends from the heavens. Like, it is a god-like figure or feature.
It is not ice cold. You know what? Even God is a little flawed sometimes.

He doesn't quite deliver in the ways you might want, but in the ways you might need. It's better to drink a tepid tepid drink than an ice-cold drink if you're that parched.
But his resentment of,

you know, when they're saying, like, you're going to New Mexico, right? To see Carol, you know, and he was just like, his resentment of like, how dare you? I haven't spoken to any of you. I know.

How dare you know my plans? And how dare you reveal to me that you know my plans? It was just like really good stuff.

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Like we mentioned, we got a lot of emails about cannibalism and the Darien Gap. We'll talk about some of it.
And pigeons, which apparently do eat their own young sometimes.

So I'm just throwing that out. The anti-pigeon contingent really showed up for you, Rob, and I like that for you.
Showed up for all of us. I like that for you.
We're a nation divided. All right.

Here's some questions sort of generally posed by the inbox. Will one of the unlicked opt to get licked, as it were? Has Lakshmi already joined her son in the Hive Mind?

I mean, narratively speaking, Lakshmi would be the only one who would make sense. Like, we just haven't revisited any of those other characters.
Right. And she, I think she has the pull with her son.

I think she's shown that she's someone who might at least consider that. I think that's a real possibility.
Okay.

In terms of that conversation we had about consent, some of our listeners pointed out that like the hive mind does opt to leave Vegas, even though Kumba's like, please stay, why won't you stay?

So there are decisions that they can make that are counter. I mean, I think our larger conversation still stands, but there are some moments where they can deny someone something.

The catch for that for me is those people never opted to be in the hive mind to begin with. Right.

If you sign up to be a part of the cult and then later want to backtrack on what the cult activities are, that's kind of one thing.

But like, if you're not signing up for it, that initial wave of consent is just obliterated. We are still getting some troubling pro-Hive Mind emails from a lot of them.
Okay.

I will say, the most convincing for me in terms of pro-HiveMind emails we've been receiving are of the variety of like, everything is fundamentally fucked in the world right now. Right.

Our access to resources, our access to to healthcare, people like starving and suffering all over the world, that there is a bit of hubris in saying, like, our model is the best model. Absolutely.

It's not working for a lot of people. And a lot of emails being like, hey, consider your cushy podcaster job is not the job that most people have, et cetera, et cetera.
Fair point. Privilege check.

Genuinely fair.

The point with that for me is not that those things aren't true and that what we have is the best model. To me, it's just the only human model.

It's like the only way way we can really operate is not with the fundamental constraints of like those societal concerns but some of the fundamental uh restraints that would be surrendered to a hive mind mentality to your point is like if there were an opt-in option that's different yeah where we're told hey if you do this there will be peace on earth and totally you know equality and all that sort of stuff like you and i is

um never mind let's not get into politics okay also a little credulous also if your hive mind utopia has a 10 year expiration date i don't know maybe it's not a utopia that was so funny some of our hive Mind apologists were like, oh, just kidding.

If it's only going to be 10 years, I don't want it. Okay.
We need a 15-year plan. That's what I'm saying.

Here's a really important question: I have: Is the actor Patrick Fabian getting royalties for every episode where they use the complete voicemail recording for Carol? One can only hope.

I hope it's in his contract. Yep.

And then I just wanted to point out that Carol in this episode is doing a lot of things our listeners wrote in about. She went to the museum.
Almost like to a checklist. Golfing, fine dining.

Like, this is what everyone wanted to do. I loved it.
We need to hear from the golfers again.

I will say, you know, going back to when we were our coverage of Fargo, there was such a very clear example of a man who had never held a golf club before pretending to be a semi-professional golfer.

Okay. Did not work.
Racy Horan, I am not a golfer, but very clearly knows how to swing a club. Very clearly has at least spent some time on a driving range before.

Did she Daniel Day-Lewis that shit and just like prepare that for this role? I would believe it. Yeah.
But I would also believe it if you told me she's been golfing like every other Sunday for years.

We did have some questions from the golfers earlier about how quickly.

well, this goes here. This goes into something else I want to talk about, which is the do-no-harm question.
We got a lot of questions about this.

The particulars of the narrative corner that the writers have written themselves into with this do-no-harm idea. Because does mowing grass count? If mowing grass, if you can't

pick a piece of fruit off the tree. Can you cut a blade of grass? Can you cut a blade of grass? And if so, if you can't cut a blade of grass, can you maintain

a golf course? We see some weeds growing up. There's like a little bunny here.

Somehow we're getting into like a federalism argument. It's like an author's intent kind of thing happening here, an originalism.
Like, I think by the letter of the rule, the answer would be no.

Right. Is that how this is going to work? Frankly, we haven't seen the post-time jump golf course yet.
That's true.

Maybe this is part of the reason why Carol has moved to the downtown Albuquerque as her driving range is like shagging balls off the disrepair over there at the country club. Fair enough.
Okay.

Especially since everyone's, no one's there to mow said grass. Just two more do-no-harm questions we got from our listeners.
How does the hive deal with bugs while driving? Gotcha, Vince Gilligan.

That's from Hank, and I really, uh, really like that. That's a great question.
Can I share a recent bug exploit with you? Oh, please.

Recently, uh, before I was about to go to bed, I was like, oh, that's a sizable spider on the wall. No big deal.
I'm going to take care of it.

You know, like, I try to escort them out if they're below a certain threshold. If they're of a certain size, I'm sorry.
It's just, I don't have the hive mind mentality. Smash in time.
You got to go.

Yeah, close. Smash in.

I had enough concerning features. So I'm like, I better Google this.
Turns out it's a brown widow. Not ideal for my home living situation.
But one spider I can deal with.

Unfortunately, in looking at the Google images of brown widows, there are a lot of very conspicuous egg sacs lurking behind them in these photos. And sure enough, Joe, I look up.
No!

And there is just a plump little egg sack

right there, hovering in its web.

Yeah, my night plans were scrambled. I turned into, I mean, this egg sack is like...
John Goodman and Arachnophobia.

It's like in a skylight 12 feet off the ground, and and I'm like excavating it with chopsticks with the most careful precision.

How else am I supposed to get it that delicately? Because you can't let it burst. I mean, that was my nightmare.

It's like, I'm going to squeeze too hard and literally 150 spiders are going to pour out of this thing. Oh my God.
I'm happy to report I successfully removed the egg sack.

And to date, we have not seen any more brown widows, but...

You know, it was a harrowing experience. I empathize with certainly if you have a spider or bug in your car.

And absolutely, you know, we didn't even see the spiders in the gap that that minusos was warned about you know all the bugs and snakes that could also be of danger to him there but uh you know the name sometimes nature comes for us all as someone who drives from northern california to southern california on the five quite frequently my grill is just like plastered

you are doing lots of harm i am doing lots of harm and then the last but not least emma was like For a hive that can't harm anything, they sure use fossil fuels recklessly, re-so many flights with just one to a few people.

So really Taylor swifting their way through this apartment. But if the only person tailor swifting was one person, are you really dealing damage to the environment that way?

You know, like one private jet, I think, is probably incredibly sustainable if you cut off 90% of all of the world's like corporate level population or pollution, like right?

If you shut down all the factories that aren't making

cannibalistic smoothies. That's why I think you're slowly becoming pro-hive mind.
I'm not becoming pro-hive mind. I'm just saying that's not my concern.

The concern is there's not enough food to sustain the people.

And if you need to jet set around, maybe there's a safe way to do it. So here's Rob just collapsing into the arms of the hive mind.
And here's me just- This is not what's happening here.

Slicing and dicing my way through the jungle standing strong. Okay.
Unbelievable, Joe.

In terms of like the... incredible emails we get from experts in the show across many TV shows that we've covered.

One of our listeners, Oscar, pointed out that in a way, our email network is a bit of a hive mind, that we get these like expert insights from people.

So we already are the hive mind. He says, feels like email.
How's your high road feel now, Joe? Now that you're already part of it with me.

It feels like emailing licking the donut is how we can funnel our knowledge into a hive mind of source. Maybe you guys can do a live open heart surgery for the finale guided only by listener emails.

Food for thought. So something to consider.

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Rob, do you have a favorite fun fact you learned about cannibalism this week from our listeners?

There were a great many.

Fun fact, lots of people are still pro.

Lots of people have lots of defenses of it on practical grounds, on philosophical grounds sometimes, on lots of just like people and animals have been doing this for a long time in various capacities, and therefore it must be okay.

Question mark grounds. The science community felt a little differently.
They certainly did. It will kill you, basically.

Depending on how you prepare. Well, it was the first time I had ever heard the phrase folded protein before.
We got a lot of folded protein.

So prion disease, which is something that you can get from eating, I believe, the nerve tissue. Sorry, this is the world we're living in.
We got so many cannibalism emails.

So just so you know, presumably the HDP is like heavily processed enough that they figured out how to not do this. But this is what like mad cow disease came from feeding cattle, cow, nerve tissue.

And that's how that spread. Yeah.

And with humans, a reason, a reason to not be a cannibal is the way in which if you eat nerve tissue, I believe, you know, we heard from evolutionary biologists, medical writers, et cetera, et cetera, that this is not something you want to do.

It's almost like we are biologically wired in the propagation and continuation of our species, that we should not do this. It's almost like the universe is telling us something.

Interesting, interesting. I did like this email we got from Dan, who's an evolutionary biologist, who says,

there are some ideas programmed into our brains as species. We call these, quote, innate behaviors, or more commonly, instincts.

As an example, newborn baby chicks instinctively hide from shadows of predators flying overhead. Monarch butterflies migrate something like 4,000 miles and do it without social learning.

So there's a lot of examples. And then he said, with cannibalism, with incest, which can also sort of, these like societal taboos are often linked to these biological,

contrary to the biological imperative, I guess, ideas. So I think there's like a feedback loop thing happening there too, right?

There's the biological imperative that like take incest, for example, like higher risks of like development of various like diseases and deformities and like health complications as a result.

And then that kind of furthers the social taboo, which then like, it's all kind of tangled in a way where I don't know how you could separate one from the other.

And I'm sure there's cases where the social taboo kind of started first and then we evolved to a point where our bodies could no longer do that thing anymore. So it's all kind of in one big stew.

Did you think we were going to be talking about this today? I just kind of take it as part for the course, given the way the inbox is going right now.

Anything you want to share about we learned about storing avocados? No. We're good.
Okay. Avocados are safe.
They're mostly ripe. Sometimes they're frustrating.
I don't know what to tell you.

Sometimes we put them in the fridge. We do, in fact, know how to put an avocado in the refrigerator or on the counter, but you know, doesn't always work.

All right. I want to hit you with this frequency theory is what I'm calling it.
We got a couple emails about this.

A listener who has requested to be referred to as Ray Scotch Colton.

Do we allow that? I do. I mean, yeah.
Like, you can request to be called by something other than potentially your given name or something.

I think some people try to like don't want their name on a pod, even if their first name is just John and they're just like worried that people will know that it was them that wrote in.

So, uh, requesting a in quotes nickname, though, is new. And you know, in this instance, I decided to go for it.
I think you have to defer to us.

If we want to call you Lorelei, if you leave yourself anonymous, like that is our

right.

Um, but this is Ray, Ray laid this out really beautifully, right?

Um,

when Carol spoke to Davis Taffler and the pilot, uh, he said the self-service is down, right?

But as is outlaid here, the joint have kept several other modes of long-distance communication powered and functional. Land lines, of course,

but also communication satellites, which is how Carol called Manusos from a plane.

Zoom calls are in effect, right? Because the unlicked are hopping on the Zoom without Carol on a bi-weekly basis. So why no cell phones?

Based on all the above, I think cell towers interfere with whatever psychic frequency the joined use to communicate.

Taking it one step further, I think the mystery frequency Minusos found was the basic, was basic the frequency all the joint are tuned to, so to speak.

And I wonder if whenever Carol and Minusos meet, they'll put those two facts together and try to hatch a plan to slow the joined down. And a lot of people pointed out that the

frequency that Minusos found,

having gone through every single option, is very similar to,

or maybe the same as the pulsing sound that plays over the credits at the beginning of the episode. That this this is like the sound of the sound.
The bum, but

yeah. Which we've never really talked about, but I find like really bracing and kind of beautiful and also a little terrifying.
Maybe that's why you're being seduced to the hive mind, right?

We do not skip through the opening credits on a TV show. So, um,

and then uh, our listener Jay wrote in to say: if the radio signal is part of how the hive mind communicates, would Minusos and Carol be able to block it on sort of like a

limited basis, like a 10-mile radius can block the signal and therefore like

basically unlicking a segment of the hive mind can they liberate just like a few people in a geographical uh you know location will those people if they are can no longer hear the frequency will they then um revert to who they were before yeah or are is will zoja be zoja but no longer sort of hive mind dependent yes do you know and if they are what memory would they retain from this time where they're part of the hive mind have they been trapped in their own bodies during this stretch?

Or are they kind of willing participants in what's happening? Like all of, I'm very curious for our first glimpses of someone who has been like deprogrammed for exactly this reason.

Like what is that revelation of where have they been in a consciousness sense? Yeah, exactly. Last but not least, and I love this frequency, this frequency plus cell phone service.

It checks, I mean, it checks all the boxes in terms of what's been happening in the show and what Plurbus is signaling to us is kind of important.

And plus, it was like right in front of our faces the whole time in the opening credits is a very Vince Gilligan thing to do.

I don't know if people like were in the Better Call Sol soup when he spelled out the return of a character via the episode titles of a season. Like that was just diabolical work from Vince Gilligan.

So

last but not least, before we like get into the episode, this very lengthy mailbag section, this is not a mailbag thing.

I just wanted to point this out is that watching Carol collapse into Zoja's arms or watching Minusos have to get rescued out of the jungle.

I was thinking about the theme of Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, and Pluribus, which is about in Better Call Sol and Breaking Bad, it's this like slow seduction of a main character into

the

less,

a lesser version of themselves, I guess is what I will say. In Better Call Saul, we watch Jimmy McGill become Saul.
In Breaking Bad, we watch Walt become Heisenberg. Absolutely.
You know what I mean?

And so Carol, as much as we're saying this is like a slow down version, watching Carol go from

as independent as someone who demands their sprouts is restocked by a bunch of people to utter collapse, to inside of this episode, taking a more sort of Kumba approach to everything, right?

She's like, I'll get the Rolls-Royce. I'll, you know, I'll have the fancy meal.
I'll do all these things.

And then into Zoja's arms is actually an accelerated version of that sort of abandoning your principles for something.

I think the difference in those two journeys is in your Brad Orcall Sauls and Your Breaking Bad, some of the question at the end is like, if you make that transition into Heisenberg, what is left of Walter White afterwards?

Like, is he still in there or has it been completely papered over? Right.

I don't think we worry about that so much with Carol because it's been like 30 days of concentrated isolation basically have just broken her will. And she's like so upsettingly lonely.

And just like, and I think the diminishing returns of all these things that she tried to kumbify to make her life somewhat meaningful.

Like she's just looking at the same George O'Keefe painting on her wall. And it's like, this isn't doing it for me like it did a month ago.
Carol's still in there.

She's just like deeply upset and deeply alone and so desperate that she would make the one call she basically never wanted to make, which was like, can someone please come back here?

Even though that someone doesn't exist in the form that would be recognizable to her. And she couldn't even say it.

She had to like go to the, you know, supply store, get the paint and the roller and sort of write it because she couldn't bring herself to get on the phone and say

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Let's talk about Carol's... Carol Act 1, Carol's Best Day, is sort of how the writers talked about how they wanted to lay this out, right? Carol's going to the hot springs.

She's going to the golf course. She's getting a new car.
She's getting dressed up. She's going to the George O'Keefe Museum.

The singing to herself, I was very

interested in this. And they said that this was based on there's a TV show that they love called Alone that's on the history channel where they basically drop airdrop survivors.

I love these competition shows, yeah.

And they're all alone, I guess, except for the camera crew, or do they, or they have like GoPros mounted on the camera?

I think it's more GoPros mounted and they're given cameras to kind of turn on and

blair-witching their way through this. Okay.

So that

oftentimes those people on those shows start singing because they can't handle the silence. That this is like a human instinct thing to do is to start to sing to yourself to break the silence.

Carol, I guess, can't listen to podcasts or audiobooks. I had that thought too.
I don't know if she has the internet. Zoom is working for the unlicked, but she doesn't have the internet.

She at least has some mixed CDs, it seems. Right.
So she can't, you know, catch up on her backlog of the Presti TV podcast. So she has to sing to herself, how did all of this happen?

Well, we haven't finished the season yet. Like, maybe she will get to episode nine.
And she'll be like, what happened in the pit? Yeah. What mid-season check-in, you know?

I'm going to get really into the severance theories.

I do think, you know, it's so, it's so funny watching kind of the parallel journeys with Carol and Minusos because Minusos is like trying to figure out ways to basically connect with Carol. Right.

Like he's trying to learn English. Like he's going through his lines.
Like he is making this incredible journey and drive to connect with her and meet with her.

And Carol's like trying to figure out how to be alone. Yeah.
Like she's trying to figure out how do I do this and not go insane. And it's singing to herself in the car.

It's doing all the things you said. It's going to museum.
It's, it's really following all the listener suggestions that have been in our inbox in terms of the things they would do.

But just them being in such different places, which makes sense given their circumstances. Yeah.
But I thought the singing was especially evocative. of that.

Like, I need to hear a human voice, even if it's mine. And it cannot be the answering machine that I'm calling every time I I need a Gatorade.

But I do think that's why, you know, we did get a lot of listener emails saying, like, please, for the love of God, can she ask them to shorten the voicemail?

I don't need to hear it every time, but I think Carol needs to hear it every time. Even though she puts the phone on speaker and like goes off to do something, like.

She does like, who doesn't like listening to Patrick Fabian's voice, honestly? But like, she does like listening to it.

They purposely contrast the procurement of gasoline, right? Carol does his very indulgent, like, bring me an ice-cold Gatorade, turn on this pump sort of thing.

Her very classic, like stock my sprouts versus Minusos eating dog food and siphoning gas out of the very and leaving money behind as he does it, you know, and refusing the bottle of water. Right.

I mean, I think that's one of the other contrast points between them is like Minusos is, he's almost like trying to live in a society without a society. Yeah.

Everyone is gone, but if he takes the gas, he's gonna leave the money.

When it comes time to like take refuge, he's gonna sleep in one of the few places that would actually give him refuge, which is on the floor of a church. He's like bunking up in the nearest mansion.

Right. And Carol's not exactly taking advantage of like every luxurious exploit she could, but she's going to take the painting off the wall and take it home with her.

And I'm not critiquing Carol because she has, like, in contrast to the other unlicked, she has been a real holdout.

But then you can contrast her, and we talked about this earlier, the sprouts versus the dog food, that like Manusos kicking over the like, you know, cooked meal and all that sort of stuff like that.

That this was just an extreme, more extreme level of what Carol thinks she's holding out and minusos is really holding out but this did feel like a letting-go episode for carol like she did the investigative journalism she presented her findings to kumba and it's like no one cares about what i care about right and so all i can kind of do is go home and i guess live whatever life i can live well but part of that is she doesn't have a purpose anymore because she had this investigation and she's like i'm gonna figure it out and i'm gonna save the world and then was just roundly rejected uh and and john scenified and like set packing well her purpose is being a scratch golfer It is a lifetime pursuit, as I understand it.

Fair enough, but like Manusos has a part. He's like, I gotta learn English.
It's a great point. Machete my way through the Darien Gap

and get to Carol. Yeah.
Okay. I want to talk about the painting for a second.
This is Belladonna, Georgia O'Keeffe painting. Georgia Keefe,

role boss.

There was a great exhibit, George O'Keefe exhibit that I saw at the Chicago Institute of Art last year, and I just think she's incredible. But I love this story about this particular

painting. So

she painted this when she was on, she was in Hawaii.

A trip was sponsored by the Dole Pineapple Company, which had commissioned O'Keeffe to paint a pineapple plant for use as an advertisement.

This three-month trip proved immensely inspiring for O'Keeffe, and she returned home with numerous sketches, photographs, and paintings, including this one, Belladonna.

None of these paintings, however, was of a pineapple. When O'Keeffe finally painted the requested pineapple, it was from a plant the company sent to her in New York following her return from Hawaii.

She's like, I'll take your Dole money. I'll go to Hawaii.
I'll get a lot of inspiration. And later, I'll do your shitty little pineapple drawing.
Fucking phenomenal. She's a boss.
She's a G.

So I wish I had that in me, you know?

We all need a little more George O'Keefe in us just to channel from time to time.

And I will say, like, I don't think we've ever seen Carol happier in this show than the first time she goes to the George O'Keeffe Museum. Right.

I mean, on the one hand, no comment. On the other hand,

like, I think it is like her taking the painting is her first kind of acceptance of like, this is the thing that I want that I've been kind of like not allowing myself to do yet.

I've been eating TV dinners. I've been doing all this other stuff.
I've been living kind of within the normal confines of what my life was.

I would never be able to take this painting home, but I'm going to do it. Yeah.
And I love, I love that she had the poster of it. And she's like, oh, just got to replace it.

I'll just have the real thing.

Anything you want to say about Carol's

dining out? It's Cloche City on the table here. She's just got the best of.
Yeah.

so I mean, they look great. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know about the coursing specifically. Is that French toast? Is the first like Martha's Vineyard dish? Yeah, and then there's like a microgreens.

I love a micro greens bowl, but it just seemed like well, it seemed like a mushroom rice with micro greens on top of that sort of situation. Yeah, okay.
Risotto, but I don't know.

It looked a little longer grain to me. Sounds delicious.
Rob.

I mean, I'm getting a lot of stuff. If we do a travel show, Rob, it's going to have to be a foodie travel show.
I mean, you're not going to hear an argument from me. Correct.
But I support Carolyn.

I support Carolyn coming out of the cloche is ultimately what I'm saying. Like, she's finally allowed herself to do this.

Okay, you could say coming out of the cloche, but you could not say why Carolyn enjoys a George O'Keefe exhibit at the museum. I thought it spoke for itself.
Okay, okay.

I will say, just because my brain is cooked, and you know this because we did a West Wing podcast where I said West World like nine times instead of West Wing, I had to be edited out.

The player piano at the dinner playing I Will Survive was giving me really good

West World vibes. So I did check to see what else was on the offer.
No,

what else is on the iPad? It did hurt me a little bit that she scrolled right on past Robin's Dancing on My Own on that list. Yes.
Look, it's an episode full of like quite on the nose music cube.

George on my mind. It's getting hot in here.

You know, as one does when they're slowly going insane in isolation, but it's like, you know, maybe it would have been a very girl's thing to do, but I would have appreciated the Dancing on My Own interlude.

Do you think this was, these were other songs they considered but couldn't get clearance for? And so they were like... I did have that question.

Like, do you have to pay REM if you're going to sing seven seconds of The End of the World, as we know? Yeah, they talked about this in the official pod. They had to clear everything.

Had to clear everything. Yeah.
Shout out to all these

artists, these musicians, these bands getting money for Racy Horn's

stirring performance of Hot and Her.

Thank you for doing the correct pronunciation. That's what it is.
Okay. Manusos, siphoning gasoline, learning English.

Oh, so the guy who rolls up to him and is like offering him water and giving him like facts about dehydration, like very zoja coded like here are some facts for you that's a stunt guy really who they just like thought was had a very cheerful demeanor so they're like he will be perfect for this and he was i thought he was really he seems like an amazing hang i would have taken the bottle of water i think yeah i mean but this is the difference between me and minusos slippery slope man i guess slippery slope he's a very principled man slippery slope not unlike the one he tumbles down straight into plants well let me ask you this now that minusos has asked for help right he reached for the heavens he got medevaced out of the forest, last resort, certainly.

Do you think there's any part of him that's going to be more open to asking for the Carol level things on the other side of this? Some like the basic, like, can I not eat dog food?

Could you bring me some food, even if I cook it myself? I think he's going to be judgmental of her,

you know, relenting even as much as she has. I think that's.
I mean, that part is, I think,

if he shows up and Carol is in Zoja's arms.

Yeah, he's going to have some thoughts. Tough.

Veska, when he talked about his performance in this sequence, he said a note that he got again, again, was to not look too tired or too stressed and don't cry.

Cause it's just sort of like, this is supposed to be like a hopeful journey for him. That is, you know, we see him trudging and dehydrated at the end.

He needs to sort of work up to that, but also just sort of like to make this feel like I'm working towards something. I'm not just sitting alone in this room, you know, dialing the radio frequencies.

I've got something to do for the first time in, you know, a couple of weeks.

I mean, so. And it's beautiful, right? Like the scenery, again, the resilience of that moment and that journey and that character,

which is what makes it so heartbreaking when he can't ultimately get where he needs to go.

But it's like, again, it's a human who's trying to prove something that like, I don't need to be airlifted to New Mexico. Like I can do this.
I don't need you.

And as he, as he says really directly, everything you would offer me is not yours to give in the first place. So why would I possibly accept it? So badass.

Question for you. If you were to make this journey,

would you bother to shave and trim your hair and do all the other grooming stuff that Manusas decides to do on this journey? Absolutely not. You're on full beard, like getting real beardy.

Yeah, I think in this scenario, I am Will Forte and last man on earth. Like I'm living in pretty much some version of abject filth.

I'm certainly not as presentable as him, but again, this is part of him like continuing his, like what he sees is like his obligations to the world around him, right?

Like he is a participant in this larger thing. And that means trimming your hair.
That means shaving. That means being a normal human person.
Keeping up appearances of everything.

I will leave money on this windshield for a person who is no longer anywhere near this vehicle just in case society returns to itself.

I need, I need to have order and, yeah, this illusion of, you know, similar to back when he was in the storage,

you know, facility and he was just like,

sorry for this. You know, I just want to say that.
Leaving the notes.

I mean, I would say even to like a maybe OCD degree, right? To an obsessive or maybe coping mechanism degree, right?

It's, it's either either I'm hanging on to this thread because it's the only thing that's keeping me feeling like the world might come back, or it's I just have an innate sense of order and I personally need to do these things whether the apocalypse is happening or not.

I have a really important question for you next. Please.
Okay.

We get two vanity license plates inside of this episode. Yes.
The Rolls-Royce that Carol picks up, the license plate is Ace Baby. Ace Baby.

And the license plate on Manusa's beloved car that he burnt is Elfritz.

We talked before we started started recording a little bit about what Ace Baby might mean. I think it's tennis related.

I mean, when you're picking up from the country club, especially the valet parking at the country club. What's the just married car? Like, was the reception at the country club?

Is that why the just married car is there? I guess so. Okay.
That part does make sense.

And conspicuously right there in the background during Carol and Zosha's big embrace, you know, just the just married blinking sign in the background as Carol wears, I believe, her like, you know, Pleuribus blue shirt, as is customary at this point, and Zosha pulls up in her Pluribus blue car.

You know, the color theory is really popping off this week, Joe.

Okay. El Fritz, couple options here.
First of all, the car is always on the Fritz. Yeah.
So it would be a fun nickname for it. Yes.

But also, Fritz is a German name,

abbreviation of Friedrich, which translates to peaceful lord. So just some options.
If you have other thoughts, licking thedonut at gmail.com, please. What El Fritz could refer to.

Rob, really important question. If you were to have a vanity license plate,

what would it say? Well, first of all, Joe, I just want to say I regard you as a peaceful lord. This This is kind of the energy that you put into the world.
Love ritz.

Vanity license plate. Honestly, it's so like antithetical to my personality.
I don't mean to dismiss your bid, but like I don't think I could bring myself to do it.

Yeah, you just no-butted my yes-and moment. That's fine.
Maybe yes, and is the license plate I need.

Can I say that I think that I I've thought about this for years. I've thought about like, am I a vanity license plate person? And I've never been able to come up with, I have an idea.

I'm not going to say it in case somebody takes it, but like, I have one idea that I'm kind of interested in. Okay.

But more than anything, and this is just like worse than I think any of any license plate, I want the California plate that's the black with the gold numbers on it. Quite elegant.
Right. And so like,

is it, is it black or is it like a deep brewing blue? Yeah, exactly. And so it's like, I want that aesthetic more than I even need like an actual word on there.

So

I've often wondered, is that if that makes me more Kuma than anything else, then, you know, I'll just embrace my inner, you know. I don't think it's that at all.

But I do think there is an overlap between if you're a tattoo person and a vanity license plate person, there's a similar, like, I want to make a permanent public statement about something regarding me.

That thing is like, I don't think, I mean, I'm ineffable. I don't think there's a word that can encompass when I ask you.
There's never been any doubt. You are ineffable.

All right.

I have something really important to tell you. This is actually the most important thing I have to tell you.
This has been a very important podcast. The chunga tree.
Yep.

Did you look up the chunga tree? Of course I did. Did you see what an alternate name for the chunga tree is? I did not.

It is, I am pleased to tell you, in some places referred to as chumbawumba. What?

I mean, Minusos did get knocked down and he got up.

Yeah, and they're never going to keep him down.

They're never going to.

I could not believe this. I have gone my entire life without bothering to figure out what chumbo wumba means and it means the chunga tree.
You're blowing my mind.

Look at the donut at gmail.com if you think that band had something else in mind when they, I didn't like go

for this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, when they're drinking a whiskey drink, a log drink. Yeah, exactly.

The chunga tree, though, the chunga palm I've seen it referred to too. Just the single most not fuckwithable tree I've ever seen in my life.
I

am staying in a hotel.

I am not a person who usually does this. I screamed a little scream when he fell back and got impaled on the tree.
It was awful. It was so bad.

And Vince Gilgan on the official pod said he watched that edit like 90 times in every single time he like gasped.

It's so bad, like, because there's the shot, of course, where he comes face to face with the tree and he's like, close call.

And then he, his ankle turns on that rock, he grasps for the vine that can't hold his weight.

And then it's just like, it's that moment in a fall where you know it's going to happen and you know it's going to be bad.

Well, see, I was, I was the opposite in a way because I didn't know it was going to be bad.

I was expecting ankle twist compound fracture, like horrible leg injury, as often happens if you're hiking in like really unstable terrain. Right.

And I just thought, oh, we've moved past the spike trees. Right.
Right. You know, the booby traps.
We're past it, but unfortunately, you are never past them.

I love the way that that was shot as he was sort of navigating around them. And they almost, you know, Adam Birdseye, the director, talked about like that they're almost this living menace.
Yeah.

He has to like, you know, like the T-Rex, if you move too fast, it'll see the motion sort of attitude.

That's very like Predator Predator Badlands, having recently seen some

the forest will kill you. But also, Vesca talked about how in some cultures that tree is so some people treat that tree as like the scariest, most threatening tree.

And for some cultures, that tree is the tree that they use to build all of their buildings. And so it is like a holy tree, a friend tree.
And I was sort of thinking about that as like a hive mind

idea of sort of like, is the hive mind a friendly tree, the tree that, you know, builds everything for you, or is it going to impale you such that you then have to cauterize your own wounds with a red hot machete?

See, I was thinking more Carol. It's like a little prickly on the outside, may wound you for life.
Right. But ultimately could be quite stable under the right circumstances.

The scars that you carry will be worth the journey

on spending time with Carol. I mean, we'll have to ask Helen about that.

Who's to say? The belt in his mouth, like the whole thing. It was so hard to watch.
Really, really hard. Yeah.

All right. Anything? Oh, I do want to.
Okay. So, in terms of Carol Act Two, I just want to underline something.
We've been talking about the clock.

So we get a day count of how long Carol has been alone. Yeah.

But from

Matt, a friend of the pod, Matt Midovich, sent me this quote from his Insideline newsletter from Ray Seahorn, where she said, the Carol Zoja hug was a tough scene to film.

We did a lot of takes of varying levels on that one. Director Adam Bernstein and Vince both were reminding me that the isolation period that she goes through has taken a massive effect.

And even though I filmed it as one episode for Carol, it was in excess of 30 days and she had no idea what the end in sight was.

So like excess of 30 days of shagging balls off a parking garage, which may or may not have been a Better Call Sol.

There's a parking garage that used a bunch in Better Call Sol and like with similar yellow paint on the pillars. So I was wondering if that was the same location.

But 30 days of, like, how long do you think you could go by yourself?

I mean, I mean, this is is the premise of alone, as you were saying, and like really the challenge they're putting the competitors through.

Even the people who have gamified it and prepared for it, like, you can really see them absolutely snapping at a certain point.

And I think, especially, it's one thing if you're fighting for resources like that. And so, Minusos' case is very distinct from Carol's.
If you're living comfortably,

actually, here's my question. If you're living comfortably, but still isolated, would like the

Like would that combination of factors make it worse?

You're, if you're used to, if you're thinking I'm roughing it in every possible respect and I'm alone, but the discord of like, I have all these comforts, but no one to share it with, no one to talk about it with, no one to identify with in any possible way, I could actually see that making it kind of worse.

To answer your question, I would last like three days. I would be a mess.
Do you have your DVD collection, though? Oh, you're right. Physical media does save us.

No physical media, three days with physical media? Eternity, Joe. Yeah, I think so.

Would I be happy? No. Would I be talking to a volleyball? Absolutely.
But that's what you got to do. But would your criterion collection like watch through be complete? Yes.

If you log something on Letterboxd and no one can read it, does it make a sound? That's the eternal question. You know, like, does it count?

If a jumbo of a tree falls in the forest and no one's impaled, does it count? I have a couple of requests for our listeners.

First of all, we're going to, I want to talk about the very end of this, obviously, the fireworks and all of that, but

we're going to do a year-end.

Basically, we're going to do the Pluribus finale. And then as part of that episode, we're going to do a sort sort of like year-end mailbag.

You've already solicited some emails online, but I just want to make sure that people know PrestigeTV at spotify.com or lookingthedon at gmail.com if they have questions, comments, concerns.

Or any of our previous emails. We do still get all of them.
So, if you're a slow horses person, you really want to email arshtime the pope at gmail.com. You got a pinnacle bobbing email this week.

I mean, look, people have their allegiances in a sense.

Also, if you have ideas for what Rob should put on his vanity license plate when he finally gets California plates on his cars,

do it out me on on this podcast. Licking the Donut Donaldson.
Allegedly. Allegedly.
Set yourself on rewatch. No comment.
Do you remember that? No comment on anything that's happening.

Lickingthedonot at gmail.com if you have an idea for it. Pigeon hater with an eight for the hater.

It's a lot of letters.

P-G-8. A little wording.

We'll workshop it. But spiritually, obviously.
Okay. Or for me if you have ideas for what I should get.

And we will auction off Joe's actual idea for charity. Absolutely.

We're going to throw that up. We're going to go to to the highest bidder.
If you want to know what Joanna Robinson will put on her vanity plate, we will. What I think encompasses me.
Yeah.

But it's not just like what you think encompasses. You want people on the road to be like, oh,

it kind of has to be a bit, you know, it can't be just cut to the core of who you are. It's like, I'm cutting to the core, but in a winking way, just for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, that's what, like, well, I was going to dox myself with what my bumper stickers say. I'm not going to do that.
You know, that's coexist.

Honestly, how dare you.

All right. The Booyah Jams of 2006

were playing. We're bumping.
We get the fire. Okay, this is sort of the last big question I have.

Before we get to Age of Aquarius in Portuguese, I believe, close out the episode.

What do you make of all the sort of like patriotism that comes from Carolyn's eyes?

She's singing Star Stripes Forever.

She's playing it. She's getting the firecracker.
I was like, is it the 4th of July? Is she honoring 4th of July all by herself?

But it just felt very like performative

Americana. Yes.
Rugged individualism. As we know, it's both in the show and one of our favorite things.
Rugged American Individualism. Is that what my license plate should say? Rugged individualism?

Yeah, rugged USA. I think that'll work out.
Okay. I mean, obviously, the American.
You don't get the exact same kind of attention I want. I think so.
We're really finding it, Joe.

This is what podcasting is all about. We're just here to narrow, narrow, narrow, and we finally land on the side of the world.
This is how you yes and Rob, not no, but a bit.

But this is you, yes, anding yourself from like three bits ago. You know what? And sometimes you got to podcast with yourself.
It's absolutely true.

The American part is clearly there, clearly textual.

I also think a lot of it, too, is just like... the pomp and circumstance, right?

It's like, if you are one of the last people left on earth and having no human contact, I think one of the things you would crave is not just having your friends over for dinner.

It's like the big communal stuff. It's the holidays.
It's celebrating. It's something like fireworks.
Like, who's going to put on fireworks for you other than you unless you ask the HiveMind to do it?

And that's kind of against the point of wanting it in the first place.

I will say this.

Having been to several Fourth of July events where people have sort of put on their own backyard firework show, which I think might be illegal here. I never did it, but I did watch it.

Even like city by city, wildly different regulations. A lot of fire hazards

here in California, et cetera. I would much rather say, hey, Hivemind, you don't have have to get anywhere near me.

Come back to downtown Albuquerque, put on a massive firework show, sourcing the Hive Mind knowledge of fire safety.

And I want, like, you, I want, you want like the big, big show, especially in, I don't know, like, what firework shows were like for you growing up, but if you ever tried to do the fireworks show in San Francisco, fog cover means that like often you're just getting like colored clown

above you.

Very different vibe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I think you're missing some fundamental points. What am I missing? I mean, one, the time honor tradition of getting drunk and lighting fireworks,

which is really what she's after. Right.
The whole comprehensive thing. She's like, I don't need all my fingers.
No. No.
And also just lighting stuff on fire.

Like, that's part of the appeal of setting off the fireworks yourself. Like, yes, it's great to go to the big show and set up your chairs and have fun, but like by yourself.

Also, lighting the stuff on fire is part of the appeal. Questionable whether or not this should be in the podcast at all, but I will just ask you.

Carol decides to like maybe let a firecracker take her out at one point in this. Stares it down.

What would you absolutely not do if you were at the end of the rope? It's been you're burned through your physical media collection. You're out of patience, out of time, out of hope.

What are the things you're not wanting to do? Because firecracker to the face

is tough. I think anything fire-oriented should really be off the table.

I mean, look, a very low moment for Carol. I'm sure like a weak moment where she's just on the brink of a lot of things.

I don't think the firecracker is what you want. I don't think anything that is aflame is really the answer in those kinds of situations and really at the end of your life in any way, period.
Yeah.

Okay. Well,

it's just something I'm thinking about. Death?

Okay. Anything else you want to say about this episode of television? I have not listened to The Watch yet as they discuss this episode, but the good news for Chris Ryan.

The hive mind in clearing out the shelves of every store for all of the food, for all the valuable stuff, the cigarettes are still there.

The zins are still there whatever he would prefer to get him through the long night this is very important we salute our friend chris we do see ya we love you okay one one dart into the breach at a time all right uh lookythona gmail.com press tv at spotify.com uh take care of yourself don't do anything we wouldn't do send us your vanity license plate ideas uh what a real joy to be with you in person rob mahoney i think it's the last time we're gonna see each other before the end of the year so happy holidays in person happy holidays to you and uh but we'll be back with more plural bus before the the year is out, just like creepily over Zoom.

And um,

that's it. Bye.

Tu mereces tis fruitarto favoritos por menos. Ja sel na Big Mac, make nuggets, or un sausage, egg and cheese, make criddles, bid you want to hook a million, and a horra.

Oof, nava comodarte un gustaso por tam poco. Los extra value meals están de regreso.

Gana por la mañana con el extra value meal, sausage, mc, muffin with egg, hash browns, y un cafe cariente pequeño por soros se yis dolares. Bara ba ba ba.
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