Trump gets reckless as his agenda tanks with the American public

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So correlation is not causation.

Speaker 13 Just because things happen together doesn't necessarily mean that one of those things caused the other one to happen.

Speaker 13 Still, though, it's hard not to think that these things happening right now in the news might not have something to do with one another.

Speaker 13 Here's the first thing. It's about public opinion.

Speaker 13 We started last night's show with a look at public opinion concerning this president and this presidency as he approaches the end of his crucial first 100 days in office.

Speaker 13 And as we discussed on last night's show, the numbers for him are brutally bad. In the Pew poll, President Donald Trump is underwater in his overall approval rating by 19 points.

Speaker 13 In the Fox News poll, people are asked if Trump's policies are helping or hurting the U.S. economy.
They say Trump's policies are hurting the U.S. economy by a margin of 22 points.

Speaker 13 In the Economist YouGov poll, they asked if Trump is generally helping or hurting not just the economy, but the whole United States.

Speaker 13 Since Trump has been back in office, have his actions as president helped the United States or hurt the United States?

Speaker 13 The American people say Trump has hurt the United States, and they say it by a 24-point margin.

Speaker 13 So We covered some of that yesterday. Now, today,

Speaker 13 banner headline all day long at the New York Times, quote, voters sour on Trump

Speaker 13 in new New York Times Sienna poll. And then you get the full headline, voters see Trump's use of power as overreaching.

Speaker 13 And then it's just a litany of all the things Trump has been trying to do and how much the American public hates all of it. Do you support or oppose Trump withholding funds from universities?

Speaker 13 Oppose by a 25-point margin. Should Trump be allowed to impose tariffs without authorization from Congress? No, by a 33-point margin.
Should Trump be allowed to eliminate programs enacted by Congress?

Speaker 13 No, by a 33-point margin. Should Trump be allowed to deport legal immigrants for protesting against Israel? No, by a 46-point margin.
Should Trump be allowed to send U.S.

Speaker 13 citizens to that prison in El Salvador like he's been threatening to? No, he should not be allowed to do that by a 63-point margin.

Speaker 13 Should Trump be allowed to ignore an order from the United States Supreme Court? No.

Speaker 13 By a 70-point margin.

Speaker 13 When you are losing polling questions about stuff you've said you might want to do or stuff you're trying to do, when you're losing polling questions like that by 40, 60, 70 point margins, we're pretty close to something that looks like a national consensus view in this country.

Speaker 13 And the view is no.

Speaker 13 No to what Donald Trump is doing.

Speaker 13 Do you approve of how Trump is managing the government? No.

Speaker 13 Do you approve of how Trump is managing trade? No.

Speaker 13 Do you approve of Donald Trump's executive orders rolling back DEI programs in the federal government? Nope.

Speaker 13 Do you approve of Donald Trump on the economy? Nope. Do you approve of Donald Trump and his handling of the Russia-Ukraine war? Nope.
Do you approve of Donald Trump's handling of immigration? Nope.

Speaker 13 Do you approve of Donald Trump's treatment of the Kilmar Abrego-Garcia case? No. By a 21-point margin? No.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 credit the New York Times and their editors for actually, I think, really getting right the big takeaway from this poll in all of its detail. The big takeaway really is what they put in the headline.

Speaker 13 Voters see Trump's use of power as overreaching.

Speaker 13 And they can say that credibly in this poll because they asked about it. I mean, outright majorities of the country say that Trump has gone, quote, too far on tariffs, too far.

Speaker 13 On his cuts to the federal workforce, too far.

Speaker 13 On immigration enforcement, too far. On his overall changes to the political and economic system, too far.
Outright majorities of the country say he's gone too far on all of those things.

Speaker 13 And it's not just that New York Times Sienna poll that's out today. There's also a new AP national poll that's out today,

Speaker 13 which puts Trump minus 24 on the economy. Whoa.
There's a new Washington Post ABC Ipsos poll that's out today.

Speaker 13 Their headline, Trump's immigration ratings turned negative.

Speaker 13 He's always been able to count on people being with him on nasty things he says about immigrants. Not anymore.
People are not with him on immigration anymore.

Speaker 13 The thing he can always count on having a positive approval rating on, not anymore.

Speaker 13 So it's all bad for Trump in terms of the public just soundly rejecting everything he's doing, even the stuff that he says just for political effect.

Speaker 13 It's having the opposite political effect that he intends. I don't know that we have ever seen another first hundred days from any president this roundly rejected and hated by the American people.

Speaker 13 And as I said, correlation is not causation. Things happening together

Speaker 13 doesn't necessarily mean that one of those things caused the other one to happen.

Speaker 13 But on the day we've got on the front page of the New York Times, voters sour on Trump. Americans think Trump is overreaching in his use of power.

Speaker 13 On the day that is the news on Donald Trump, what does Trump do?

Speaker 13 He arrests a judge.

Speaker 13 He arrests a judge.

Speaker 13 And we're going to talk with Congressman Jamie Raskin about this in just a moment.

Speaker 13 But if you want to talk about a portrait of desperation, show me the political leader who is just flipping the table over, just pulling the pin on the grenade and rolling it into the room.

Speaker 13 Show me the elected leader who has decided to start arresting judges to see what happens.

Speaker 13 And we're going to talk in just a moment about what happened already in response to Trump doing that today.

Speaker 13 And where this is headed. We're going to talk with Congressman Raskin about that in just a moment.

Speaker 13 You're going to want to see what the instant emergency reaction was when it was announced this morning that Trump had arrested a judge. You're going to want to see this.

Speaker 13 But it is not weird for there to be a correlative, if not causative connection between

Speaker 13 a politician's deep and evident weakness, his profound unpopularity with the American people,

Speaker 13 and that same politician showing a new willingness to do the craziest stuff imaginable. Right?

Speaker 13 I mean, it's not just a Trump phenomenon.

Speaker 13 This is a political science thing. You know, if people like you and they like what you're doing, you'll do more things that they will like.
You will try to hold on to the support that you've got.

Speaker 13 You will try to build on that support. You will try to keep the people on your side.

Speaker 13 If, on the other hand, your approval rating is, I don't know, negative 19 in the pew poll and getting worse in every successive poll, and you've got, I don't know, 70-point margins against you on the stuff you're saying you want to do, well, then what do you do?

Speaker 13 It's not like you got anything to build on.

Speaker 13 People hate everything you're doing.

Speaker 13 So what do you do? You just do something crazy. You do something wild

Speaker 13 and reckless to change this stuff up, to change the conversation, just to blow things up, just to make things different.

Speaker 13 You arrest a judge or something.

Speaker 13 This was two days ago in Storrs, Connecticut, on the campus of the University of Connecticut, home of the Yukon Huskies.

Speaker 13 Students protesting about Trump targeting immigrants and international students and revoking student visas. This was yesterday at UNLV in Las Vegas.

Speaker 13 Students protesting at UNLV about Trump targeting students, targeting immigrants there too. This was a big one.
This was Syracuse University, a big protest. Look at this.

Speaker 13 Against Trump going after immigrants, going after student visas.

Speaker 13 And I see this is all just within the last couple of days.

Speaker 13 And, you know, we have been covering these kinds of protests against Trump's arrests of students, his attacks on students, for weeks and weeks now.

Speaker 13 I mean, we've just got reams and reams of this kind of footage.

Speaker 13 Left to right, top to bottom here, this is just an unrepresentative sample.

Speaker 13 This is

Speaker 13 New York City, Columbia University. That's

Speaker 13 in the top center, that's Newark, Delaware, the University of Delaware. On the upper right, that's Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Speaker 13 Bottom row, that's Cobb County, Georgia, Kennesaw State. Center in the bottom there, that's Bloomington, Indiana, Indiana University.

Speaker 13 Lower right there, that's Tempe, Arizona. That's ASU, Arizona State.

Speaker 13 Colleges and the communities around them have been protesting in one way or another, every single freaking day, about these kids being snatched off the streets, snatched off campus by Trump's agents, students being thrown out of the country in many cases for no apparent reason at all.

Speaker 13 Are you one of the people who has participated in one of those protests? Have you driven past one of those protests and given them a honk and a thumbs up?

Speaker 13 Have you done anything to publicize the cases of those kids?

Speaker 13 Posted about it on social media, wrote letters to the editor, called into call-in shows, called your member of Congress about it, put up a sign in the window?

Speaker 13 Have you done anything to bring attention to this, to show or say that you objected to what Trump was doing in arresting all these students and jailing them or throwing them out of the country?

Speaker 13 Have you done any of those things? If so, today is your day.

Speaker 13 Headline, Trump administration reverses course on student visa cancellations. Headline, international students who lost their immigration status will have it restored, government says.

Speaker 13 Headline, Trump is reversing the termination of legal status for international students around the U.S.

Speaker 13 People have been protesting about it instantly and everywhere and every day.

Speaker 13 People have been speaking out about it, making the case, calling on the conscience of the American people, which is what nonviolent protest is all about.

Speaker 13 The polling now shows in poll after poll after poll that the American public is absolutely and totally and by huge margins against what Trump has been doing to these students.

Speaker 13 And that pushback, that fight, has been not only popular, it has been ferocious.

Speaker 13 Headline, ACLU of West Virginia sues over West Virginia University students revoked visa. Headline, UI University of Iowa students sue Department of Homeland Security and ICE.

Speaker 13 Headline, 17 international students in Georgia accuse ICE of violating due process. New Haven residents sue Trump administration over revoked student visas.

Speaker 13 Rutgers international students sue feds over revoked status. UW Madison international students file lawsuit.
University of Texas Rio Grande Valley students sue Homeland Security.

Speaker 13 ACLU of Connecticut sues Trump administration over 60 plus students visas being revoked. Three international students in Colorado sue Trump administration over termination of immigration status.

Speaker 13 Gannon University students in Pennsylvania suing the federal government. Purdue students suing federal government over visa revocations.
UC Berkeley international students

Speaker 13 sues Trump administration over revoked visa. There are literally dozens and dozens and dozens of these I could go on.

Speaker 13 And those individual cases are all separate and apart from the really big cases involving multiple students, multiple jurisdictions.

Speaker 13 The big case filed a week ago, a week ago today in federal court court in New Hampshire, class action on behalf of all the foreign students whose visas have been yanked by Trump.

Speaker 13 That big case filed by 19 Democratic state attorneys general to stop it nationwide.

Speaker 13 That one take-no-prisoners lawyer in Georgia, the former president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, whose case started with 17 students in Georgia, then he added more than 100 more.

Speaker 13 That lawyer telling CNN, quote, I can file 133 lawsuits, but I the court wouldn't be happy about that, so we are filing one, one big one.

Speaker 13 Well, all of those efforts effectively have now been victorious because Trump stopped. He had to stop

Speaker 13 wholesale attacking these thousands of students for the terrible crime of going to college in the United States.

Speaker 13 The Trump administration also today had to reverse itself on killing the crime victims hotline at the U.S. Justice Department.
Why did you kill that?

Speaker 13 They've now had to put it back.

Speaker 13 The Trump administration now having to reverse itself on killing all translations of weather forecasts and weather emergency statements, because heaven forbid somebody who doesn't speak English might also receive the tornado warning.

Speaker 13 They've now had to reverse themselves and reinstate those translations.

Speaker 13 The Trump administration has now had to reverse itself and restore the funding Trump had cut for the largest and most important decades-long study of women's health.

Speaker 13 Credited with saving countless women's lives, changing women's health globally, and saving billions of dollars in the American health system. It is a study that started in the 90s.

Speaker 13 It has enrolled over 160,000 American women. It is one of the most successful long-term medical studies in the history of science.
And Trump just killed it, cut it off midstream with no warning.

Speaker 13 And now they have had to reverse that. Now the Trump administration has had to reverse itself on its not at all terrifying plan to create a national government registry of autistic people.

Speaker 13 under the authority of Trump HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who of course talks about autistic people as if they are not even human.

Speaker 13 And now he's going to create a universal registry of everyone with an autism diagnosis in the United States. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 13 That was his plan.

Speaker 13 Now he's had to reverse himself on that as well.

Speaker 13 Today, the Trump administration has had to reverse itself on cutting food safety scientists at the FDA.

Speaker 13 Trump's new hand-picked FDA commissioner actually went on CNN this week and denied that those scientists had been fired. He said, quote, I can tell you there were no cuts to scientists or inspectors.

Speaker 13 There absolutely were firings of scientists and inspectors cut from food and drug safety labs all across the country, including, I should mention, from the veterinary division of FDA, where what they were working on was the bird flu.

Speaker 13 He didn't even know, oh, they haven't been cut.

Speaker 13 Now they've quietly started reinstating all those scientists and inspectors that they actually did cut, but they didn't want to admit it, let alone defend it, and so now they've had to reverse it.

Speaker 13 All of those reversals within the last day.

Speaker 13 I mean, listen.

Speaker 13 It's Friday. I'm sorry.
I run out of things to give by the time we get to Friday. Sometimes I'm a little more blunt on Fridays than I am other days.
I'm sorry. It's exhaustion.
But listen.

Speaker 13 It's not like we didn't know it was going to be terrible, right?

Speaker 13 This week, after all, it's the five-year anniversary of Trump, in his first term, telling the country that maybe we should all inject bleach or disinfectants into our bodies because sure that would probably take care of COVID right?

Speaker 13 Do you remember Lysol had to put out a disclaimer saying please do not actually inject disinfectant into your body? My God, we realized the president just said to do that, but please do not.

Speaker 13 That was five years ago this week. We've had time to settle into what it's like to have Donald Trump in a position of power, right?

Speaker 13 So it's not like we didn't know it was going to be terrible, and it is terrible. He really did have a judge arrested today

Speaker 13 and we will have more on that in a moment

Speaker 13 but that wasn't all i mean today we learned that trump is killing off the federal funding for narcan

Speaker 13 narcan the anti-overdose miracle that has literally saved hundreds of millions of American lives in the last few years.

Speaker 13 There are hundreds, excuse me, hundreds of thousands of Americans who are alive today who would not be alive without Narcan. It It is a miracle that saves people from overdose.

Speaker 13 And Trump in his first term bragged and bragged and bragged about how much his administration supported Narcan and how much they'd done to make sure everywhere in the country could get Narcan.

Speaker 13 Now he's killing it off

Speaker 13 and killing off programs to combat opioid addiction at the same time.

Speaker 13 Trump really is completely zeroing out, completely eliminating Head Start everywhere in the country because because God forbid American kids can go to preschool because that's a terrible thing.

Speaker 13 Complete termination of that 60-year-old program.

Speaker 13 Trump really is killing off meals on wheels because heaven forbid old people and disabled people and people with mobility problems get meals delivered to them and somebody to check in on them.

Speaker 13 They're getting rid of the agency that runs that.

Speaker 13 Trump has already fired half the staff from that agency and Trump has closed all 10 of the regional offices that oversee Meals on Wheels because Donald Trump is against Meals on Wheels for some reason.

Speaker 13 This was two days ago in Morgantown, West Virginia. People out protesting against Trump firing nearly everyone.

Speaker 13 85% of people at NIOSH, the occupational safety and health agency that oversees coal mines.

Speaker 13 People out in West Virginia protesting that two days ago.

Speaker 13 Trump has cut the Mine Health and Safety Administration and the agencies that serve coal miners.

Speaker 13 And West Virginia is up in arms about it.

Speaker 13 We knew it was going to be bad, and it is bad.

Speaker 13 But the American people,

Speaker 13 God bless them, God bless us.

Speaker 13 The American people is under no illusions about it. And the American people is very broadly and now very consistently and very, very affirmatively against what Trump is doing.

Speaker 13 Even the stuff that he thinks you'll like, that he says for political effect, the American public is resoundingly saying no to all of it.

Speaker 13 And they're saying no in the polls and they are saying no in the streets.

Speaker 13 And that,

Speaker 13 in the end, with the courts, that's going to be the only thing that matters. He's not even 100 days in and we are in desperation mode from him already, arresting a judge today.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 13 That is a sign of weakness, not strength. It is the public that is being strong here and he cannot handle it.
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Speaker 13 So the man was at the county courthouse in Charlottesville, Virginia this week.

Speaker 13 Charges against him had just been dismissed. A judge had just ruled there was no evidence the man had committed any crime.
The man, he's a house painter.

Speaker 13 He was told that he was free to leave the courthouse.

Speaker 13 And then this.

Speaker 13 Show us a warrant signed by a judge.

Speaker 18 You don't have a warrant.

Speaker 18 Show us a warrant for his arrest.

Speaker 13 You don't have a warrant signed by a judge.

Speaker 13 So what is going on here is that

Speaker 13 Trump's immigrations here,

Speaker 13 excuse me, that Trump's immigration agents here are arresting this man at this courthouse in Virginia. This video was obtained by the venerable newspaper in Charlottesville, the Daily Progress.

Speaker 13 And again, there are no criminal charges pending against this man. The case against him had just been dismissed.

Speaker 13 He had shown up at the county courthouse as required, and Trump's immigration agents took that opportunity to grab him. The agents who arrested him were not wearing uniforms.

Speaker 13 One of them was wearing a mask. The lawyer who represented the man they arrested, the lawyer says the agents did not show any form of ID.
They did not present an arrest warrant.

Speaker 13 They did have handcuffs, though, and they handcuffed this guy and put him in the back of an unmarked van. To everybody who saw what was happening, it looked very much like a kidnapping.

Speaker 13 And that was actually one of two arrests made by plainclothes, masked immigration agents at that same county courthouse in Virginia this week.

Speaker 13 The lawyer telling the Daily Progress, quote, it's horrifying for the person being detained this way. It's horrifying for the community members watching it.

Speaker 13 And you saw that right away. People came out and protested outside the county courthouse in Charlottesville right after immigration agents showed up there to start taking people.

Speaker 13 This is just an instant pressure point for this community. It was a pretty big turnout, too.

Speaker 13 Masks plus no ID equals abduction.

Speaker 13 I mean, it makes sense in terms of how quickly people were willing to literally take to the streets over this, right?

Speaker 13 Everybody needs to be able to go to court, no matter what your immigration status is. Maybe you're the victim of a crime.
Maybe you're a witness in an important case. Maybe Maybe you're a defendant.

Speaker 13 If people are too scared to come to court now because Trump's immigration agents are lying in wait at court to arrest them, then courts will not be able to function fairly or effectively for anyone.

Speaker 13 Judges are responsible for the safety of everybody who appears before the court for any reason. Right?

Speaker 13 For the safety and security of those people so they can do their lawful business before the court. If Trump's immigration agents are staking out courthouses to

Speaker 13 grab people, to kidnap people, once they show up to take part in a lawful court proceeding, that stops judges from fulfilling their responsibilities under the law, for what happens with their cases and in their courtrooms.

Speaker 13 Now,

Speaker 13 this was also a point of tension in Trump's first term. In Trump's first term, he also sent immigration agents to go to try to arrest people at their court appearances.
And it was a flashpoint then.

Speaker 13 State judges have a duty to ensure the safety of the people who appear before them in court, whether as plaintiffs or defendants or witnesses.

Speaker 13 Well, today,

Speaker 13 a whole new level. Today, the FBI arrested a county judge in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Speaker 13 According to the FBI, this judge knew that Trump's immigration agents were outside her courtroom waiting to arrest a man who was before her court.

Speaker 13 They say she sent the immigration agents away from her hearing room and then escorted the man and his lawyer out of the courtroom through a private exit.

Speaker 13 For that, the Trump administration has arrested her and charged her with two felonies. She herself arrested, brought before a federal court, and then released today on her own recognizance.

Speaker 13 Her attorney says that the judge intends to defend herself vigorously. He says she looks forward to being exonerated.

Speaker 13 But if this feels like a insane and reckless escalation from the Trump administration arresting a judge,

Speaker 13 I will tell you, you are not alone. It sure felt like that to lots of people in Wisconsin today.
People who showed up outside the federal courthouse in Milwaukee after the judge was arrested.

Speaker 13 More than 100 people out there today on no notice on a Friday in the middle of the day to emergency spontaneously show up and protest the arrest of this judge in Milwaukee.

Speaker 13 Just instant reaction to this bright new line that's been crossed by Trump. It's being treated as a crisis by members of Congress, too.
This was Maryland Congressman Jamie Raskin today.

Speaker 13 He said, every American should be deeply troubled by this massive escalation. This is an unmistakable descent further into authoritarian chaos.
Joining us now is Congressman Raskin of Maryland.

Speaker 13 He's the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee. Sir, thank you so much for being here.
I know it's a really busy time.

Speaker 19 Delighted to be with you, Rachel.

Speaker 13 Let me ask you if any of the way that I explained that sort of

Speaker 13 seems the wrong way around to you, or if it seems like I'm putting the emphasis in the wrong place. It seems to me that Trump having a judge arrested is a reckless and desperate move.

Speaker 13 It seems to me like, yes, there are connections to previous flashpoints and tensions that Trump has raised in even his first term by trying to put federal immigration agents into state courts.

Speaker 13 But to me, this mostly just seems crazy.

Speaker 19 Well,

Speaker 19 I regard it very much within the prism of what we've been dealing with over the last month, which is an intense assault on judicial independence. They have been

Speaker 19 disobeying federal court orders systematically.

Speaker 19 They have

Speaker 19 incurred criminal contempt

Speaker 19 findings in the courtroom of Judge Bosberg, a conservative Republican judge.

Speaker 19 They have been demanding the impeachment of judges who rule against the lawlessness of the Trump administration.

Speaker 19 There are now more than 90 preliminary injunctions and temporary restraining orders against the chaos that's been unleashed on the country by the Trump administration.

Speaker 19 And now they're arresting judges, and the first felony criminal charge brought against Judge Hannah Dugan in Wisconsin is interfering with a legal proceeding, which is essentially what they've been doing all along.

Speaker 19 What Judge Boesberg is

Speaker 19 about to hold them in criminal contempt for and has found that there is probable cause for criminal contempt, is that they deliberately ignored and defied his order not to take off in those airplanes headed for El Salvador and not turning the airplanes around.

Speaker 19 So, on the logic of this arrest of Judge Dugan, all of the people in the Trump administration who participated in defying that order by Judge Boesberg themselves could be arrested for interfering with a legal proceeding and perhaps other criminal charges like kidnapping, as you were suggesting before.

Speaker 13 You have said that

Speaker 13 the independence of the judiciary has to be defended. You said we must do whatever we can to defend the independent judiciary in America.
Obviously, there's this individual case of this judge.

Speaker 13 There's also potentially the intimidation factor towards all judges, right?

Speaker 13 That this has an effect on trying to scare and intimidate judges into not ruling against Trump or otherwise acceding to Trump and the Trump administration's demands.

Speaker 13 When you say we must do whatever we can to defend the independent judiciary in America, what do you think that we should do?

Speaker 13 We've seen people instantly and spontaneously react by going to the courthouses, by going to the streets to protest. Do you think that matters? And what else do you think could?

Speaker 19 Well, absolutely. I mean, everybody who aspires and attains to public office in America, regardless of which branch they're in,

Speaker 19 is just a servant of the people. And the people need to manifest their outrage about these assaults on judicial independence.

Speaker 19 The first branch of government, the legislative branch, Congress must do the same thing.

Speaker 19 We must reject all of these attacks on individual judges, some of which have led online to violent threats and death threats. There was a bomb threat made against Justice Amy Coney Barrett's sister,

Speaker 19 and there have been lots of threats made against judges, but we've got to defend them against that, and we've got to defend them against impeachment.

Speaker 19 There have only been 15 federal judges impeached in our entire history, always for corruption charges like bribery or tax evasion, never because somebody in the government disagrees with the content of their opinion.

Speaker 19 As Chief Justice Roberts said just a few weeks ago, the proper response to disagreement with

Speaker 19 district court's opinion is to appeal the opinion, not to impeach the judge. So there's this constant vilification and demonizing of the judges that we've got to turn around.

Speaker 19 And obviously arresting a county court judge in Wisconsin is a dramatic escalation of these tactics.

Speaker 13 A dramatic escalation and one I think that will

Speaker 13 escalate the kind of response that they get as well. I think that it was a shock to the system, I think, when people saw those headlines today.
That's why people got out in the streets.

Speaker 13 I mentioned that people went out and protested in Milwaukee outside the courthouse today.

Speaker 13 People went out to other federal buildings and other federal courthouses, including Minneapolis, today, to protest. I'm not sure that

Speaker 13 they recognize they've bitten off more than they can chew here.

Speaker 13 But we shall see. Congressman Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland.
Yeah, sorry. Go ahead, sir.

Speaker 19 I was just going to say the country is rediscovering the two most beautiful words in the English language, due process, because that's what separates us from being a free society with real rights from becoming a dictatorship.

Speaker 13 Congressman Jamie Raskin, it's good to have you here, sir. Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 13 All right, we've got more news ahead here this very busy Friday night. Stay with us.

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Speaker 20 All of the detainees we we spoke to indicated that it is very cold,

Speaker 20 that they aren't allowed to have blankets.

Speaker 20 The temperature is very uncomfortable for them.

Speaker 20 Many of the women in the facility indicated that they were not given proper feminine products as regularly as needed, in some cases, not even given toilet paper.

Speaker 20 That is absolutely unacceptable. They share with us that they are frightened.

Speaker 13 It's Congressman Troy Carter of Louisiana speaking on this program earlier this week after he visited two immigration prisons in his home state.

Speaker 13 Some of his congressional colleagues who were with him for those visits have an op-ed today in the New York Times about what they saw at those immigration prisons and what the people Trump is holding in those facilities are going through.

Speaker 13 And they're just some of the Democratic legislators, Democratic members of Congress, who have been bodily, physically showing up to places where the Trump administration has been locking up immigrants, both here and abroad.

Speaker 13 Vermont U.S. Senator Peter Welch went to the prison in Vermont where they have locked up Columbia University student Mohsen Madawi.

Speaker 13 He is a legal permanent resident who Trump's agents arrested at his citizenship interview.

Speaker 13 Florida Congresswoman Frederica Wilson visited prisoners at an immigration prison in her state yesterday, the Crome Facility in Miami.

Speaker 13 She told reporters afterwards, quote, these are people who are our family, our next door neighbors, our friends, and our coworkers.

Speaker 13 Why are they doing this? She said, what is the point?

Speaker 13 Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, of course, traveled to El Salvador and pressed and pressed and finally managed to meet with his imprisoned constituent, Kilmar Abreco-Garcia, who the Trump administration admits it sent to El Salvador by mistake.

Speaker 13 A group of four members of the House, Democratic members of Congress, followed Van Hollen shortly thereafter. They also went to El Salvador.
They were not allowed to see Mr. Abreco Garcia.

Speaker 13 They were also seeking information on another prisoner they were concerned about. We have covered on this show the case of Andri Hernandez-Romero.

Speaker 13 He is a 31-year-old makeup artist who says he fled Venezuela because he feared persecution as a gay man.

Speaker 13 He was pursuing asylum in what he thought would be the safety of the United States, but the Trump administration arrested him and sent him to a prison in El Salvador, potentially for the rest of his life, claiming that he, this guy, is a member of a violent Venezuelan gang.

Speaker 13 The members of Congress who went to El Salvador tried to find out anything they could about Mr. Hernandez-Romero.
This is from Michelle Goldberg today writing at the New York Times.

Speaker 13 She says, quote, this week,

Speaker 13 four Democratic members of Congress went to El Salvador to try to see Abrego Garcia. While they were there, they sought proof of life for Andre Hernandez-Romero.
They didn't get it.

Speaker 13 The Democrats obtained a promise from the American Embassy in El Salvador to check on Andre Hernandez-Romero, but as of this writing, there has been no update.

Speaker 13 Congressman Robert Garcia of California telling the Times, quote, no one has actually heard about Andre at all since the abduction, including his lawyers and his family.

Speaker 13 Joining us now is Congressman Robert Garcia of California. Sir, thank you very much for being here.

Speaker 13 I know it's a very busy time. Thank you.

Speaker 21 Sure. Happy to be here, Rachel.

Speaker 13 Let me ask if you have any updates for us. If you've heard anything from the U.S.

Speaker 13 Embassy in El Salvador? I know you've also sent letters to the Secretary of State and to ICE. Have you been able to learn anything else about the fate of Andre Hernandez-Romero?

Speaker 21 We have not yet learned anything new than what we were told at the embassy when we were in El Salvador just a few days ago.

Speaker 21 But it's really important that people understand what is happening, not just to Andre, but to so many others that are being sent to foreign prisons and that we're giving no due process here in the United States.

Speaker 21 People have to remember that that Andre came to the U.S. with an asylum appointment.
He signed up for an appointment through an app that we have for asylum seekers. He was given a time to show up.

Speaker 21 He came to the border. He essentially claimed asylum.
And then he was essentially kidnapped from that location.

Speaker 21 by ICE, by Homeland Security, sent to a country he knows nothing about, into a prison in El Salvador, and his family has heard nothing about him since. This is a makeup artist.

Speaker 21 There's no indication he was ever ever in a gang. His family describes him as someone that's very sweet, that's very kind, vulnerable in some ways.

Speaker 21 And so this should frighten every single American and anger us that this is actually happening to other people.

Speaker 21 The inhumanity that is happening right now to people that are seeking asylum, to people that are here in some cases ordered to stay in the U.S. by the U.S.
courts and even the Supreme Court.

Speaker 21 Yet Donald Trump could care less about due process. And it's important that we receive word as soon as possible from the embassy or the State Department that Andrew Romero is okay.

Speaker 13 Can you tell us anything about your engagement with the embassy in El Salvador?

Speaker 13 If they agreed that they would try to seek information about him, at least?

Speaker 21 They did. I mean, look, we met directly with the U.S.
ambassador there on the ground.

Speaker 21 And of course, we went there to continue to demand Kilmar's release, which as we know, Donald Trump is defying the Supreme Court a unanimous decision, and Kilmar needs to be released immediately.

Speaker 21 So that was what we were there for. In addition to that, Andres' case is very important.
He is someone that we need to ensure gets his due process.

Speaker 21 I've been talking to his lawyer team here also in the United States.

Speaker 21 The ambassador for the first time acknowledged his case and for the first time after we left that meeting, made an official request to the Salvadorian government for a welfare effort check on Mr.

Speaker 21 Romero. And so that was the first time that we as a country have asked to see if he was even okay or alive.
We're waiting for that response. We continue to follow up to get a response.

Speaker 21 But I'm hoping that the U.S. ambassador keeps his word and gets us a response on how he is doing.

Speaker 21 It is crazy to think that this young man is sent to this prison. We saw those pictures of him at Seacot.

Speaker 21 crying out he reports that he was crying out for his mom when actually he was being uh sent there and so it's a horrific story as an immigrant a gay person myself um

Speaker 21 It just makes me so upset and angry that we treat people this way that are coming to the U.S. fleeing a horrific situation in their own country.

Speaker 13 Congressman Garcia, I need to ask you about a news story that has just broken within the past few minutes.

Speaker 13 And I apologize that I do not know everything about this, but we've just received word from the ACLU in Louisiana, and I'm just going to tell you what we've received from them.

Speaker 13 Today, in the early hours of the morning, the New Orleans ICE Field Office deported at least two families, including two mothers and their minor children, three of whom are U.S. citizens.

Speaker 13 U.S. citizen children aged two, four, and seven, and one of the mothers from these two families is currently pregnant.

Speaker 13 These are families, according to the ACLU, who were arrested on Tuesday of this week and Thursday of this week.

Speaker 13 In both cases, according to the ACLU, ICE held the families incommunicado, refusing or failing to respond to multiple attempts by attorneys and family members to contact them.

Speaker 13 But again, they're describing these whole families being deported, including U.S. citizen children.

Speaker 13 In the case of one of these two families, quote, one of the citizen children suffers from a rare form of metastatic cancer and was deported without medication or the ability to consult with the child's treating physicians, despite ICE being notified in advance of the child's urgent medical needs.

Speaker 13 I don't expect that you know anything about this before getting on the air to talk to me about it tonight again.

Speaker 13 This is just broken in the last couple of minutes, but let me just ask your reaction to this breaking news.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I'm just seeing these same reports. It is sickening that children are being deported.
U.S. citizens are being deported, which we know is illegal.
and which we know is also just inhumane.

Speaker 21 The idea that they are taking these children, there has been no due process from what I can see from the reports.

Speaker 21 Essentially, these agents are trying to rush through the process, trying to get people, ship ship them out of this country as fast as possible,

Speaker 21 giving them no real chance to go through the courts or through the process. And now we are deporting U.S.
citizens, let alone children, to other countries, to Honduras, to other places.

Speaker 21 And what people need to understand, people and not just Democrats, but across this country, is we have to bring attention to this issue.

Speaker 21 This is an issue that's not just about immigration. It's about due process in this country.
It's about the constitution.

Speaker 21 It's about the kind of country that we're going to be and how we're going to treat the people that are here, whether they are citizens or they're coming to our country seeking help.

Speaker 21 And so this idea that now we're sending U.S.

Speaker 21 citizens is both shocking to all of us, but should also anger us and continue to get out there and protest and continue to get out there and call out what Trump is doing to our country and to certainly people that are coming here for help.

Speaker 13 Congressman Robert Garcia of California, thank you for what you did today,

Speaker 13 what you did this week, and with your colleagues going to El Salvador, being able to come back and talk to us about it in a way that we haven't otherwise been able to get that kind of information.

Speaker 13 Thank you for being able to talk with us about it tonight. I really appreciate it, sir.

Speaker 13 I'll just mention this is breaking news about apparently U.S. citizen children being deported.
Politico is just reporting. A U.S.
federal judge who is a Trump appointee

Speaker 13 has just scheduled a hearing for May 16th, he said, which was, quote, in the interest of dispelling our strong suspicion that the U.S. government just deported a U.S.

Speaker 13 citizen with no meaningful process. In this case, it is a two-year-old child with the initials VML who was apparently deported to Honduras, the judge saying, with no meaningful process.

Speaker 13 Here we go. We'll be right back.

Speaker 13 So this is part of a new campaign, a new ad campaign launched by the group Demand Justice. Watch.

Speaker 5 Something alarming is happening inside America's top law firms.

Speaker 22 Under threat from Donald Trump, some of the most powerful firms in the country are bending the knee. This isn't just about lawyers.

Speaker 22 If no one stands to challenge the government in court, if people can't get the representation they need, there's no rule of law, just rule by power. Stop bending the knee.
Fight back.

Speaker 13 This new ad is part of a campaign from Demand Justice that's called Big Law Cowards. Not to put too fine a point on it.
It's designed to put pressure on nine big-name law firms to change course.

Speaker 13 These are nine firms that tried to appease Trump and make him more kindly disposed to them than

Speaker 13 he is to other law firms by making deals with him to provide hundreds of millions of dollars worth of free legal services to causes Trump chooses.

Speaker 13 In some cases, the firms promise to run their personnel policies at their firms along lines that Trump demands.

Speaker 13 This big law cowards campaign also put this truck-mounted billboard on the street in D.C.

Speaker 13 this week outside the law offices of one of the big law firms that did one of these capitulation appeasement deals with Trump.

Speaker 13 The group also posted these signs outside the firm's offices with the same message,

Speaker 13 along with what they say is the total amount of money these nine appeasement law firms have pledged to Trump in the form of free legal services.

Speaker 13 Demand Justice says they plan to take this kind of action outside not just this one, but all nine of the big law firms who have capitulated to and tried to appease Trump.

Speaker 13 The head of that organization now telling NBC News, quote, when you see some of the most powerful law firms in the country, if not the world, unwilling to stand up to the administration when ordinary people are speaking out, we think it's really important.

Speaker 13 to shine a bright light on that and really show that ordinary people demand that those most powerful speak out against the administration and not bend the knee.

Speaker 13 The idea is both to shame these law firms, certainly, but also to tell them that it's not too late to change course. If you made one of these deals, you can cancel it.
You don't have to stick to it.

Speaker 13 He's not sticking to his side of it. It's not too late to change course and get on the right side of history and the right side of democracy.

Speaker 13 We shall see. Watch this space.

Speaker 13 Hey, I'm going to be here on MSNBC tomorrow, Saturday at noon Eastern. It is the final episode of the Katie Fang Show tomorrow.
I'm going to be there with Katie for that. Katie is fantastic.

Speaker 13 She has helped all of us at this network understand every one of the legal issues that has come up in the Trump era. She is a great friend.
She's a great colleague. She's so smart.
She's so fast.

Speaker 13 I'm really going to miss her, but I will be honored to be with her tomorrow to talk about what's happened in these first hundred days. That's tomorrow, noon Eastern here on MSNBC.

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