Trump's poor choices for national security staffing have new relevance after Iran bombing

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Rachel Maddow reviews the cast of characters that staff important national security roles in the Trump administration, and whose lack of qualifications for their jobs matters even more now that Donald Trump's bombing of Iran has raised the threat level for Americans everywhere in the world.

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Speaker 14 Really happy to have you here. Do you want to start with the spy movie stuff? Let's start with the spy movie stuff.

Speaker 14 So you have probably heard the term state sponsor of terrorism.

Speaker 14 It's not a commonly used term, but the U.S. government occasionally will designate another country in the world as a state sponsor of terrorism.

Speaker 14 And what that means is not just that there is international terrorism somehow associated with that country.

Speaker 14 It means the government of that other country is, according to the US, using its power as a government, as a country, to sponsor international terrorism and terrorist groups.

Speaker 14 So it's always and only a very small list of countries that get this very serious kind of designation from the United States. Right now, I think there's only like four countries on the list.

Speaker 14 But it goes without saying, if the US government has put another country on this list, if the US government government has declared a country to be a state sponsor of terror, goes without saying the United States does not have formal diplomatic relations with that country, obviously.

Speaker 14 But then, for the purposes of any good spy movie plot, you have to think, well, okay, that explains what happens between the two governments. If the U.S.

Speaker 14 government declares another country's government, essentially persona non grata, right? State sponsor of terrorism, obviously our government and their government are not going to have relations.

Speaker 14 But our country is not just our government, right? Our country is also made up of more than 300 million people. And you have to think, well,

Speaker 14 what would the U.S. government do

Speaker 14 if an American person, an American citizen decided on his or her own

Speaker 12 steam

Speaker 14 that they were going to cultivate personal ties with a government like that.

Speaker 14 Our government will not touch a country that is a designated state sponsor of terror.

Speaker 14 But what if somebody who's just an American citizen tries to, tries to develop a relationship with that regime on their own?

Speaker 14 What would the U.S. government have to say about that?

Speaker 14 Let's say you have an American citizen, a U.S. person, who, surprise, plans a trip to a country that is listed as a state sponsor of terrorism.

Speaker 14 And then when they are in that country, they personally meet with the dictator who leads the government of that country.

Speaker 14 Then while they're there, they take another meeting in that country with a radical cleric who is on the record having made a public pronouncement that he controls a network of suicide bombers within the United States and he is prepared to activate his U.S.-based network of suicide bombers inside the United States of America at any time.

Speaker 14 What do you do if you're the U.S. government and you learn that an American citizen has done that, right? That an American citizen has gone abroad specifically to meet with the dictator of

Speaker 14 a state-sponsor of terrorism country. And then immediately after that person meets with this cleric who proclaims himself to have a network of U.S.
suicide bombers.

Speaker 14 And then, as soon as that person gets back from that trip, U.S. intelligence gets a new piece of information about her.

Speaker 12 Quote, shortly after her visit, U.S.

Speaker 14 spy agencies intercepted a phone call between two members of Hezbollah concerning this American citizen, according to current and former officials briefed on the intelligence.

Speaker 14 The intercept was of a Hezbollah member.

Speaker 14 reporting that this American citizen had met with a person whom he identified euphemistically using a word in Arabic that can be translated as the boss or the big guy.

Speaker 14 The Hezbollah member did not say the name of that person in the communication, prompting some speculation among U.S. intelligence officials as to who was being referred to.
Some U.S.

Speaker 14 intelligence officials assumed that the big guy referred to a senior Hezbollah official.

Speaker 14 The American citizen denied that she met with anyone from Hezbollah, but she did acknowledge that she did meet with a variety of officials from Lebanon, including some who are close to Hezbollah.

Speaker 14 Okay, so what do you do at this point? Here's an American citizen who goes abroad to meet with the cleric who says he has

Speaker 14 a network of suicide bombers in the United States that he still controls and plans to activate when he thinks it's necessary.

Speaker 14 That person also meets with the dictator who is formerly listed by the U.S. government as a state sponsor of terror.

Speaker 14 And she's being talked about by name by Hezbollah operatives who are in conversation with each other talking about this American because they say she also just met with their big guy with the boss

Speaker 14 with whoever Hezbollah calls the boss

Speaker 14 she then admits to meeting with Hezbollah-linked officials what is the U.S. government supposed to do with this

Speaker 14 right with with this record that they're learning about of a U.S. citizen? Like from a counterterrorism perspective, what's the U.S.
government supposed to do with something like this?

Speaker 14 Oh, but wait, there's

Speaker 14 Because after all this comes to light, this same person then flies abroad again, this time to a European country, where she goes to a meeting with a man who was on an FBI watch list.

Speaker 14 And we don't know exactly why he's on an FBI watch list.

Speaker 14 The FBI does not tend to comment on things like that, but there has been public-facing reporting alleging that this guy is connected with a Russian militia leader who has been convicted of shooting down a civilian airliner over Ukraine.

Speaker 14 He was convicted of shooting down Malaysia Air Flight 17, which you will remember, 298 totally innocent civilians were killed.

Speaker 14 So if you're the U.S. government, what do you do with this information, right? This is all the same person.
Meeting with the dictator. who's leading the government.

Speaker 14 That's the state sponsor of terrorism. Meeting with the cleric who has publicly proclaimed himself to control the network of suicide bombers inside the United States.

Speaker 14 The same person then reportedly appears and intercepts of a conversation between Hezbollah operatives, in which they say she has also met with the boss.

Speaker 14 Now she's with the FBI watch list guy in Italy, who appears to be linked to this shootdown of a civilian airliner. I mean, all this same American citizen

Speaker 14 meeting with all these different people.

Speaker 14 If you're the U.S. government, with all the counterterrorism and intelligence responsibilities that you have as the U.S.
government, what do you do about that person?

Speaker 14 Well, one thing you could do is you could make it more likely that there would be an air marshal, a federal air marshal, on any flight this person gets on.

Speaker 14 Might be safe to do that, right?

Speaker 14 It's called the Quiet Skies program.

Speaker 14 They don't have the air marshal like follow the person or anything, and there's nothing punitive about it. They just make sure that there's an air marshal on the flight if this person gets on board.

Speaker 14 That's one relatively sort of low-intensity way the U.S. government can put an extra layer of security around a person like this who has this very odd track record from a counterterrorism perspective.

Speaker 14 And again, nothing punitive, right?

Speaker 14 It's not even intrusive. It's just one way the air marshal program for U.S.
air travel isn't totally random, right?

Speaker 14 If a person with that kind of a troubling track record flies, Quiet skies means it's more likely there will be an air marshal on board that plane with that person. That's it.
It's called quiet skies.

Speaker 14 That's one way the U.S. government might handle a person with this kind of a record.

Speaker 14 But it really depends on who's running the U.S. government, right?

Speaker 14 What kind of judgment they have, what they prioritize.

Speaker 14 Because when Donald Trump returned to the White House and took over the U.S. government again, You know what he did with this particular person I'm describing who has this particular record?

Speaker 14 You know what he did?

Speaker 14 He named her Director of National intelligence for the United States government.

Speaker 14 The person who met with the state sponsor of terrorism dictator and the self-proclaimed head of the U.S.-based network of suicide bombers and the person reportedly in the Hezbollah intercepts and all the rest, he put her in the cabinet.

Speaker 14 And then Trump abolished the quiet skies program altogether,

Speaker 14 which she had been in

Speaker 14 because of the judgment of a previous iteration of the United States government.

Speaker 14 She had been in it apparently because of her worrying and inexplicable foreign travel and foreign associations.

Speaker 14 She's not only not in it anymore, they've abolished the program and they've put her in charge of the U.S. intelligence community.

Speaker 14 So now we, the American people, have a couple of situations at hand, right? First of all, we've got this person as director of national intelligence and everything that means.

Speaker 14 Less than two weeks ago, for instance, it meant that our director of national intelligence posted a bizarre video online in which she said that the quote political elite and warmongers are actively right now trying to bring about nuclear war on earth, quote,

Speaker 14 Perhaps it's because, this is what she said, perhaps it's because they are confident that they will have access to nuclear shelters for themselves and for their families that regular people won't have access to.

Speaker 14 What do you mean?

Speaker 14 I mean, to be clear, this is not the YouTube comment section I'm reading on an InfoWars post.

Speaker 14 This is the director of national intelligence for the United States government in what appears to be some sort of official straight-to-camera video proclamation.

Speaker 14 basically telling the American people that there are secret, impenetrable nuclear shelters just for the elite just for the warmongers and because of that they are well the warmongers and their families

Speaker 14 and so the warmongers and the elite are planning a nuclear war they are planning to deliberately destroy the earth with nuclear war so they can rule the rubble from their secret impenetrable underground cities

Speaker 14 or something

Speaker 14 That is the director of national intelligence for a country,

Speaker 14 for

Speaker 14 our country,

Speaker 14 which is a country that just bombed Iran.

Speaker 14 After President Donald Trump said he didn't care what U.S.

Speaker 14 intelligence said about Iran, he knew, he knew somehow from mysterious other sources, he knew that Iran was on the brink of a nuclear weapon and therefore we had to bomb them.

Speaker 14 Now tonight he says there will be a ceasefire between Iran and Israel. Iran's foreign minister just moments ago said on social media that there is no ceasefire agreement,

Speaker 14 but that if Israel stops attacking Iran, Iran will stop responding. Quote, the final decision on the cessation of our military operations will be made later.

Speaker 14 So we don't exactly know what that means. We will see.

Speaker 14 But here in the United States, this follows a new national terrorism advisory alert from our government's Department of Homeland Security, which advises that Trump's decision to bomb Iran, quote, could contribute to U.S.-based individuals plotting violent attacks here in the United States.

Speaker 14 So again, if you're the U.S. government, think about what you're going to do to respond to circumstances like this, right?

Speaker 14 How do you prepare us as a country? How might you harden our defenses or try to avert any such attack, which our government, again, is now warning about?

Speaker 14 Well, again, it depends on who is running the U.S. government.

Speaker 14 And in the case of President Donald Trump, the way he has been preparing the government for this eventuality is by forcing out the head of the national security branch at the FBI.

Speaker 14 Don't worry though, there's also a national security division at the Department of Justice.

Speaker 14 Well, Trump demoted the acting head of the National Security Division at the Department of Justice, apparently because that acting chief didn't move quickly enough after the inauguration to take down the picture of President Biden and put up the picture of President Trump.

Speaker 14 And so he was demoted out of that job. That said, the FBI also has its own specific counterterrorism division.
He appears to have been pushed out. He left the FBI last month.

Speaker 14 Ah, but don't worry, there is at least one senior counterterrorism position in the United States government that has been

Speaker 14 definitively and deliberately filled by this president. It's at the Department of Homeland Security.

Speaker 14 Department of Homeland Security's domestic counterterrorism hub leads nationwide efforts to prevent targeted acts of violence of all kinds.

Speaker 14 President Donald Trump, in his infinite wisdom, has put this man in charge of that at Homeland Security. Feast your eyes.

Speaker 14 He's 22 years old, one year out of college with no evident national security experience whatsoever.

Speaker 14 Before volunteering for the Trump campaign, his LinkedIn page reportedly explains that his work experience includes, quote, lawn care work around my neighborhood also working part-time as a clerk at an HEB supermarket he also apparently once had an internship at the Heritage Foundation an internship and according to a recent ProPublica profile of this young man again who is Donald Trump's best guess at who would make a good counterterrorism chief for the United States government at this moment in time According to ProPublica, quote, the bulk of his leadership experience comes from having served as Secretary General of a model United Nations club

Speaker 14 in school.

Speaker 14 But now that is who Donald Trump has running domestic counterterrorism efforts for the U.S. government.
For the U.S.

Speaker 14 Department of Homeland Security, I feel duty-bound to inform you that the left eyebrow is itself registered as a lethal weapon. So underestimate him at your peril, ladies.

Speaker 14 In April,

Speaker 14 there was an arson attack targeting Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro and his family at the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 14 Four days later, a self-proclaimed white supremacist shot up the campus of Florida State University, wounding six people and killing two.

Speaker 14 ProPublica notes that he used a picture of Hitler as the profile picture for his online accounts.

Speaker 14 In May, there was a car bombing of a fertility clinic in California for somebody who ascribes to some sort of anti-natalist, bizarre extremist ideology.

Speaker 14 In late May, two employees of the Israeli embassy were murdered in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 14 In June, an event in support of Israeli hostages in Gaza was the target of a bizarre firebombing attack in Colorado in which 12 people were injured.

Speaker 14 Last weekend, one Minnesota Democratic leader and her husband were assassinated. Another Minnesota Democratic legislator was shot nine times and has thus far survived.
His wife was shot eight times.

Speaker 14 She has just miraculously been released from the hospital. So it's not like domestic counterterrorism is a niche concern in America right now.

Speaker 14 Even before the new and explicit warning about potential revenge inside this country for Trump's decision to bomb Iran.

Speaker 14 But from the office of the director of national intelligence, where the director is off the quiet skies air marshal list herself now, and Trump has thrown out that whole program for the whole country because who cares about that stuff, where they are now unleashed at the office of the director of national intelligence so the office can be on full alert for the lizard people to move their power centers into the secret underground cities, right?

Speaker 14 From the DNI to the decimation of the Justice Department and particularly the FBI, which is now led at the director director and deputy director level by two right-wing podcasters, to the Department of Homeland Security, where a lawnboy and model UN kid has been appointed to lead counterterrorism in every element of its responsibility to keep the American people safe.

Speaker 14 The U.S. government under Donald Trump

Speaker 14 is, I guess, doing the best they're capable of.

Speaker 14 This is the best they can do.

Speaker 14 This is your government under Trump Republican leadership

Speaker 14 working to keep you safe.

Speaker 14 Members of the United States military were targeted by Iran today with a retaliatory Iranian missile strike at the major U.S. military base in Qatar.
Nobody appears to have been hurt in that attack.

Speaker 14 But members of the U.S. military know

Speaker 14 that this president has their interests in mind

Speaker 14 in some ways.

Speaker 14 And those are their families.

Speaker 14 How does he have them in mind? Well, this is the father of three

Speaker 14 U.S. Marines, two of whom are on active duty at Camp Pendleton, one of whom is recently retired.
This father of three U.S.

Speaker 14 Marines was beaten by masked federal agents this weekend when they turned up to arrest him at his job site. He was beaten.
He was pepper sprayed, according to one of his U.S. Marine sons.

Speaker 14 They also dislocated his shoulder. His son told the LA Times that his father is 5'6 ⁇ or 5'7 ⁇ and weighs about 150 pounds.
This was the use of force they chose against this man.

Speaker 14 Again, this man with the three sons in the United States Marine Corps.

Speaker 14 His oldest son said that when his father called him from the immigration facility they first sent him, His father didn't want to talk about his injuries.

Speaker 14 He instead wanted to talk about the job that he had left incomplete. He asked his son to please go back to that job site where he had been arrested.

Speaker 14 He asked his son to please finish the job that he had been working on, trimming the grass, when he was attacked by Trump's immigration agents.

Speaker 14 This is another young U.S. Marine Corps veteran in Louisiana whose wife was just arrested by Trump's immigration agents.
This is a young married couple. They have a nine-week-old daughter.

Speaker 14 This Marine Corps veteran dad has been bringing their baby daughter to the immigration prison where Trump's agents are holding his wife and their baby's mother so he can try to figure out how the baby daughter can still breastfeed from the mom while Trump has her locked up.

Speaker 14 These are two young National Guardsmen in Illinois who went to the immigration office in full uniform with their mom to try to stop Trump's immigration agents from arresting their mother.

Speaker 14 This is an active duty U.S.

Speaker 14 Army sergeant who has now flown to Honduras to try to reconnect with his wife, who Trump's agents arrested while her husband is serving on active duty as a sergeant in the United States Army.

Speaker 14 The pushback against what Trump is doing to immigrants and to American families that include immigrants, it continues and continues and continues to build.

Speaker 14 This was Albuquerque, New Mexico this weekend, a really big march in downtown Albuquerque to support immigrants and to oppose what Trump is doing.

Speaker 14 This was Lawrenceville, Georgia this weekend, another large-scale march to support immigrants and to oppose what Trump is doing.

Speaker 14 This was Port Washington, Long Island in New York this weekend, where friends and neighbors rallied to demand the release of their local bagel shop manager, Fernando, who has lived in their town for decades and is a beloved part of it.

Speaker 14 This was Pasadena, California this weekend. A big protest, a big protest, but one with a live band led by clergy.

Speaker 14 The local Fox affiliate covering the protest said it was a big protest, but it felt at times like a block party as it just kept getting bigger and bigger.

Speaker 14 Mood was upbeat, but their message was serious.

Speaker 14 I've been to five this week. I think the message is being heard

Speaker 16 loud and clear.

Speaker 14 You heard the music almost before you saw the crowd marching its way down Pasadena streets this Saturday. Six months ago, Pasadena attacked by fire.

Speaker 14 Now they say the threat is ICE as in ICE raids on immigrant communities.

Speaker 17 People are scared. They're in their homes, afraid to come out, afraid to go grocery shopping, afraid to pick up their kids from school.
So why not be here and support them?

Speaker 18 Joy is a part of our peoples.

Speaker 18 Even when we protest, we've got a joy that no one knows where it comes from, but it comes from the resilience of our people who built this cursory, brown and black people, and it's time for us to stand together.

Speaker 14 The diverse crowd was organized by the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. And according to Pasadena police, who lined the route, it was peaceful.

Speaker 14 That was Pasadena, California, this weekend. The mayor of Pasadena is going to join us here live tonight.

Speaker 14 I should tell you, peaceful protests in Pasadena have just recently driven federal immigration agents out of a hotel they were staying at in Pasadena. We're going to

Speaker 14 talk about that and more with Pasadena's mayor tonight here live. We're also going to be joined here live by Democratic U.S.

Speaker 14 Senator Tim Kaine with the latest on what's going on with Iran and Congress's efforts to assert its constitutional authority to make decisions about whether or not the United States is at war.

Speaker 14 We got lots to get to tonight. Lots going on.
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Speaker 14 It took less than 24 hours for it to all start to fall apart. In an address to the nation Saturday night, President Donald Trump called U.S.

Speaker 14 bombing strikes on nuclear sites in Iran, quote, a spectacular military success. Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.

Speaker 14 That's what he said, completely and totally obliterated. Not much room for interpretation there.

Speaker 14 And yet, less than 24 hours later, this was the amazing headline in the New York Times, quote, officials concede they don't know the fate of Iran's uranium stockpile.

Speaker 14 So completely and totally obliterating their nuclear capacity, except for all the highly enriched uranium that maybe they still have.

Speaker 14 Secretary of State Marco Rubio then went on TV just after the U.S. bombing to explicitly dismiss any questions about the nature of America's intelligence on Iran and its nuclear program.

Speaker 14 He said those questions were irrelevant. His actual words were, quote, forget about intelligence.
At the same time, Vice President J.D.

Speaker 14 Vance went on a different TV network to say it was all about the intelligence. Quote, it was our intelligence that motivated us to act.

Speaker 14 Rubio and Vance and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseff also spent yesterday insisting to reporters explicitly that the U.S. is definitely not interested in regime change in Iran.

Speaker 14 After all three of them made that explicit, then President Trump got online to say how much he wants regime change in Iran.

Speaker 14 Now, this evening we get an announcement of an ostensible ceasefire between Israel and Iran, but it is delivered via the president's niche social media platform in one of the president's oddly capitalized and grammatically challenged posts, which appears to say or at least imply that a ceasefire will go into effect around midnight Eastern time and will maybe last 12 hours or is it 24 hours?

Speaker 14 It's literally impossible to parse. But then he says the war will be over.
Quote, congratulations to everyone.

Speaker 14 That announcement from President Trump was over three hours ago. There has still been no confirmation from Israel of any kind.

Speaker 14 And Iran's foreign minister has just moments ago said that as of now there is no agreement. Though in a tweet this hour he appeared to confirm that Iran is halting military operations against Israel.

Speaker 14 The chaos coming from the very top of our own government is one of the downsides of having war be one man's decision, no matter who that one man is.

Speaker 14 That, structurally, is not the way our country was designed.

Speaker 14 And some members of the legislative branch are trying to remind us that not only should it not be this way, it doesn't have to be this way going forward. Joining us now is U.S.

Speaker 14 Senator Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia.

Speaker 14 One week ago, Senator Kaine introduced a war powers resolution that would require the president to go to Congress to get explicit authorization for any use of military force against Iran.

Speaker 14 A similar resolution has been introduced in the House as well. Senator Kaine's resolution is expected to get a vote in the Senate as soon as a couple of days from now.

Speaker 14 Senator Kaine, I really appreciate you being here on this busy night. Thank you so much.

Speaker 20 Glad to, Rachel. Important topic.
Glad to talk to you about it.

Speaker 14 Well, first, let me ask you about some of the news that's been breaking over the last

Speaker 14 hour or two, just to ask if you can update our understanding of it in any way. Do you know anything about this ostensible ceasefire between Israel and Iran?

Speaker 14 As far as we know, there hasn't been any confirmation from Israel. There's seemingly contradictory responses from Iran.
Can you advance our understanding of that at all?

Speaker 20 Rachel, I really can't. I hope that it's true.
I mean, we would all want there to be a ceasefire and a de-escalation, but it really underscores the point that you were making in the intro.

Speaker 20 We should not allow war and peace or bombing or ceasefire to be based on the whims of any one person, this president or any one person.

Speaker 20 And that's why the framers of the Constitution said war should only be declared after a debate and a vote by Congress.

Speaker 20 It's just too risky to allow one person, Democrat, Republican, Whig, or Federalist, to send our sons and daughters to war based upon their whim, vibe, or mood of the day.

Speaker 20 And you see with President Trump, it's about the nuclear program. No, it's about regime change.
We're going to bomb. Now we're going to have a ceasefire.

Speaker 20 The Intel says Iran was on the verge of a nuclear weapon. No, the Intel says they were far away from a nuclear weapon.
It's been nothing but mixed messages from these folks.

Speaker 20 And that's why a public debate in full view of the American public by Congress with a vote so that everybody can be held accountable is what we ought to have before we go into war.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and the founder, I wrote a book about this in 2012, which we talked about at the time. I mean, the founders made this

Speaker 14 decision deliberately.

Speaker 14 They knew it was harder for a group of people to make a decision, a difficult decision about something like war, than it would be for an individual person to make such a decision.

Speaker 14 And that's explicitly, they explain, that is explicitly why they vested that power in the Congress. Now,

Speaker 14 you introduced a similar Iran war powers resolution in 2020. And I note that it got support from seven senators who are Republicans who are still serving as Republican senators today.

Speaker 14 Do you expect support from any of those seven or from any other Republican senators this time around?

Speaker 20 Rachel, there will be Republican support, Republicans supporting my war powers resolution. The number is still murky to me because the facts are changing every day.

Speaker 20 We have a security briefing tomorrow, all senators in classified so that we can ask all of our questions. I think that will be an important factor.
And again, this backing and forthing, the President

Speaker 20 launching these bomb strikes on Saturday, the day after the Israeli foreign minister said that their own attacks had set the Iranian program back two or three years at least, and then retaliation today, but the retaliation from Iran was calibrated.

Speaker 20 Donald Trump, in what was one of his most unusual tweets ever, thanked Iran for giving us a heads up so we could,

Speaker 20 you know,

Speaker 20 manage to reduce or eliminate the risk of casualties. I mean, this thing is changing every second.

Speaker 20 But I think all of this backing backing and forthing, which is frankly kind of terrorizing Virginia, we are a very pro-military state.

Speaker 20 I mean, between veterans, active guard, reserve, DOD civilians, military family, DOD contractors, everybody's connected to the military in Virginia. And we don't want to be whipsawed.

Speaker 20 Virginians understand that the two wars in the Middle East between 2001 and 2021 were pretty much disastrous for us. Multiple deployments by these families.

Speaker 20 What did we accomplish other than lose lives and lose trillions in resources? We don't want to be in another war. And this backing and forthing: are we on? Are we off? Is it a ceasefire?

Speaker 20 Are we bombing tomorrow? Are we negotiating diplomatically or just doing that as a ruse to trick the Iranians to drop their guards so we can drop bombs on them?

Speaker 20 We do not need to terrorize the American public with this whipsawing of emotions. Let's have a reasoned debate in Congress and establish the rules of the game.

Speaker 20 Even my colleagues who want to be at war with Iran, they should at least say, but it shouldn't be done without us.

Speaker 20 We should be able to have that debate and full view of the American public and justify our positions.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 If you believe that we ought to be at war with Iran, the place to make that case is not on

Speaker 14 TV or in op-eds or in tweets. The place to make that case, if you are an elected official in the Congress, is in debate in

Speaker 14 a binding vote that decides what we do as a country.

Speaker 20 And Rachel, it's interesting that my colleagues who talk tough about Iran, they never introduce war authorizations against Iran.

Speaker 20 They talk tough, trying to cheerlead the president do something, but they don't introduce resolutions because they know their constituents would look at them and say, what the hell are you thinking?

Speaker 20 Were you not paying attention for the last 20 years?

Speaker 20 So

Speaker 20 my hope is that folks will see this unpredictability and decide there's a better way for this nation to decide whether to send our sons and daughters into war.

Speaker 14 That's right. That's exactly right.
Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, I really appreciate you being here tonight, sir. I know this resolution is coming up this week.
Good luck. Keep us apprised.

Speaker 14 Thank you.

Speaker 20 Look forward to talking more.

Speaker 14 All right, more news ahead here tonight. Stay with us.

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Speaker 22 Yo, these guys are literally

Speaker 22 based off of skin color.

Speaker 22 My homie was born here just because of the way he looks.

Speaker 14 On Thursday, June 12th in Los Angeles, armed, masked federal agents grabbed a young man named Brian Gavidia off the street near a tow yard where he works. They pushed him up against this metal grate.

Speaker 14 They demanded to know where he was born. Mr.
Gavidia is an American. He's a U.S.
citizen.

Speaker 14 He gave the federal agents his real ID to prove his citizenship, which he says the agents took and never gave back.

Speaker 14 His encounter with Trump's masked immigration agents is one of several incidents the LA Times has recently reported of U.S. citizens being targeted by Trump's agents.

Speaker 14 Now, the city of Los Angeles is trying to push back. City council members are directing the city's attorney, the city attorney for Los Angeles, to sue the federal government over stops like this.

Speaker 14 As one council member put it, quote, it's not reasonable suspicion that someone's a non-citizen just because he or she is brown.

Speaker 14 All across the country, we are seeing elected officials starting to get creative, trying everything they can to push back against what Trump is doing with immigration agents.

Speaker 14 Members of Congress have started showing up at ICE detention facilities, demanding to be let in for the oversight visits that they are allowed by law to conduct. We've seen this everywhere.

Speaker 14 The first one we covered was in Louisiana, but we've seen it in New York, we have seen it in New Jersey, we have seen it in Illinois, we have seen it in California, we have seen it in Massachusetts.

Speaker 14 In Burlington, Massachusetts, ICE is using office space to hold people they have arrested.

Speaker 14 Democratic members of Congress recently showed up at that office space to investigate the conditions there after the local town of Milford, Massachusetts erupted as a community when ICE agents arrested a local high school volleyball player, arrested him and took him to this place.

Speaker 14 Now, after that visit from local members of Congress, the town select board in in Burlington, Massachusetts is looking into whether ICE using that office building to hold prisoners might actually be illegal under local zoning rules.

Speaker 14 In the city of Huntington Park, California, the mayor there has now directed his police department to start verifying the identification of federal agents conducting what he called, quote, masked abductions among his constituents.

Speaker 14 Last week in nearby Pasadena, California, six people were arrested at a bus stop by armed masked agents in unmarked cars.

Speaker 14 One of the masked agents pointed a gun at a bystander who tried to take a photo of the license plate on their car. Look at that.

Speaker 14 The Pasadena police are now investigating that incident as a potential crime because no one from the federal government has told them who these masked agents are, let alone proved.

Speaker 14 that they were federal agents.

Speaker 14 The mayor of Pasadena tried to visit his constituents who were taken in the bus stop raid. The mayor, his name is Victor Gordo.

Speaker 14 He tried to visit them at the detention center where they're being held in downtown Los Angeles. Like many other elected officials before him, Mayor Gordo was turned away from that facility.

Speaker 14 But like I said, people are trying everything they can. And in Mayor Gordo's case, as he was leaving, he ran into a woman in the parking lot at the facility who was crying.

Speaker 14 She told him she needed to deliver medicine to her husband who was being held there, but she couldn't get in.

Speaker 14 She said her husband has a heart condition and advanced diabetes and he needs to take medicine with every meal. But she was being turned away and so he did not have his medicine.

Speaker 14 Mayor Gordo had just been turned away himself. He found that even as the mayor of Pasadena, they were not going to let him in.
And so the mayor turned around but decided to switch tactics.

Speaker 14 He is, in addition to being the mayor of Pasadena, he's also a lawyer. So he, in that moment, became that man's legal representative.

Speaker 14 And then, as that man's lawyer, as of about 30 seconds before, he was able to get in to deliver the man his medicine that way.

Speaker 14 Elected officials all over the country are trying everything they can to push back, to stand up for the people they represent. Mayor Gordeau joins us live here next.
Stay with us.

Speaker 14 These Pasadena residents spent their Sunday protesting outside the AC Hotel on Madison Avenue after social media posts showed Border Patrol vehicles parked outside, confirming agents are currently staying there.

Speaker 14 Ice out of Dina as in ICE Out of Pasadena. And that was this scene in Pasadena, California recently.

Speaker 14 I mentioned moments ago that the mayor of Pasadena figured out a way to personally deliver life-saving medication to one of the people who's been arrested by Trump's immigration agents in his city.

Speaker 14 When he encountered the man's wife crying in the parking lot outside the facility where this man had been taken, he arranged instantly and on the spot to become the legal representative for that man, even though he'd been turned away as mayor from getting into that facility.

Speaker 14 As the man's lawyer, he was allowed in and was thus able to deliver the medication that may have saved that man's life.

Speaker 14 But Pasadena has been the site of a lot of interesting protest and response to what Trump's immigration agents have been doing.

Speaker 14 That protest you just saw here from that local news package happened after local residents in Pasadena discovered that federal immigration agents had checked in in large numbers and were staying at local Pasadena hotels.

Speaker 14 That knowledge set off a whole new effectively spontaneous and then fast growing protest campaign by local Pasadena residents to get those agents to leave, to get them to get out of their community, to get out of those hotels.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 we have a lot of footage. I can't play the sound here of exactly what happened at some of this footage because it involves a lot of cursing, cursing in multiple languages.

Speaker 14 In fact, I will admit that watching footage of this protest, I learned some new words.

Speaker 14 But the protest was loud on purpose. At times, it even included a band.

Speaker 14 They were trying to be unmistakable and inescapable as a presence to annoy Trump's immigration agents and get them to leave that community.

Speaker 14 And according to Pasadena's mayor, the one who got that medication into the local ICE detention facility, according to Pasadena's mayor, this protest at the hotel worked.

Speaker 14 Mayor Vince Gordo told, Mayor Victor Gordo, excuse me, told the LA Times that after hours of noisy rallying, hotel staff asked the federal agents to to pack up their things and go.

Speaker 14 And they did. And the resulting celebration outside that hotel was just as loud as the protest had been, but I'll tell you, it had much less cursing.

Speaker 14 Joining us now is Mayor Victor Gordo of Pasadena, California. Mr.
Mayor, thank you very much for being with us tonight. I appreciate it.

Speaker 23 Thank you, Rachel. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 14 How would you describe the scope of Trump's immigration actions inside Pasadena and the response of your community?

Speaker 23 Well, you know, the first thing that I'd like to point out is

Speaker 23 we know that there are armed men jumping out of unmarked vehicles, wielding high-powered weapons at our parks, at our community centers, and in our neighborhoods.

Speaker 3 Or there have been.

Speaker 23 What we don't know is whether, in fact, these are ICE or federal agents at all.

Speaker 23 We don't know that these are operations and whether we have a completely dangerous, different situation and dangerous situation on our hands.

Speaker 23 It's creating a volatile, dangerous situation. Our police chief is making every attempt to contact the federal government in Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.,

Speaker 23 to confirm whether in fact these are ICE operations. We believe that they are, but we just don't know, and they won't communicate with us.

Speaker 23 That can create a very dangerous, dangerous, and volatile situation.

Speaker 23 Imagine a passing police officer being called in response to armed men running to a neighborhood or at a park or coming upon that situation.

Speaker 23 We could have a very serious and dangerous situation for the agents themselves,

Speaker 23 for residents, for kids in the parks,

Speaker 23 for everyone.

Speaker 23 And that's unacceptable.

Speaker 14 In terms of these recent protests outside a Pasadena hotel, encouraging agents to leave, they ultimately did leave.

Speaker 14 Did your office or the police department or any other entity of Pasadena city government have contact with the Department of Homeland Security or the federal government around that protest and that eventuality when those agents all left?

Speaker 23 No, that's the terrible piece, you know, is

Speaker 23 there's no communication. There's absolutely no, there's certainly no coordination,

Speaker 23 but there's no communication. And that's the dangerous and volatile situation that's being created in our city.

Speaker 23 People are living in fear, people are working in fear, people are staying home.

Speaker 23 You know, there's also that economic impact to our city. So fear is not acceptable.

Speaker 23 And certainly, these, what we consider to be violations of due process and creation of dangerous situations, are not acceptable.

Speaker 23 But our businesses, I'm getting most calls from businesses saying, can you tell our workers it's okay to come in?

Speaker 23 You know,

Speaker 23 workers who are here lawfully, as I am, I'm a former immigrant. I'm mayor of this city.

Speaker 23 And, you know, the stigmatization of

Speaker 23 one people in our segment, in our community, throughout the country, of Latinos and people of Latino descent, is just wrong.

Speaker 14 Victor Gordo, the mayor of beautiful Pasadena, California, one of my favorite places in the great state of California. I've got a lot of family ties there.
It's one of my favorite places to visit.

Speaker 14 It's a great town. Thank you for talking to us about what's happening there tonight.
We look forward to having you back, sir. Appreciate it.

Speaker 23 Let's be safe, but let's express our opinion known, make it known in the greatest of American ways with our voice.

Speaker 14 Thank you. God bless you, Mr.
Mayor. That does it for me tonight.

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