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Really happy to have you here.

You know, it is a weird time in the United States of America right now.

And I know you know that, and

I definitely know it too.

But I feel like, you know, sometimes you just have to like

stop and smell the weirdness.

Just like note for a moment how utterly strange things are right now, particularly with the government.

For example, the very weird pro-Trump far-right conspiracy theory world has long fantasized that Donald Trump has magic beds.

Do you know about this?

They think that Trump has magic beds, like a bed, like, you you know, you make your bed, that kind of bed.

And the theory is: if you lie down in one of these magic beds, the magic bed will cure any disease that you have.

It will fix everything that's wrong with you to the point where, even if you have lost a limb somehow, if you have

to have something amputated, if you lay down in one of Trump's magic beds, you will instantly regrow that limb that you lost.

Magic medical beds.

It is sort of shorthanded as the medbed right-wing conspiracy theory.

Well, this weekend, the sitting president of the United States posted a video on his social media.

He reposted a video somebody else had made that was an AI-generated fake video of him, the president, appearing on Fox News, announcing a new federal program in which everyone was finally going to get one of these med beds.

All Americans would get get med bed cards so we could all go to med bed hospitals so we could lay down on one of these magic beds, be instantly cured of all of our diseases, grow back any of our missing limbs, and probably live forever.

Because

as the conspiracy theory has it, liberals don't want people to have access to the magic beds, but Trump does.

And so Trump as president is now letting everyone use the magic beds.

He posted that video on his social media this weekend.

I mean, this is one of the weirder conspiracy theories on the pro-Trump, right?

This is like right there along with the lizard people thing and the earth is flat and people who think there are big secret cities underwater or huge secret underground nuclear bunkers just for liberals.

That one has actually been promoted by Trump's director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.

I mean, you've heard about some of these crazy things, right?

You've heard that the QAnon people think that JFK Jr.

is still secretly alive and among us.

Well, apparently they think that JFK Jr.

is still secretly alive and among us because he's been put in one of the magic beds.

It is

just banana land, right?

It is utterly insane.

But the president of the United States this weekend posted a fake video of himself confirming that it's all true and announcing that everyone's getting a magic

before he then later deleted the posts that he made without comment because this is our life now and that's the leader of the free world right

this comes at a time when the fox and friends weekend co-host who trump put in charge of the military has summoned every single top general and admiral in the united states military to all come in person to the same meeting all in the same room together tomorrow generals and admirals in every conflict zone all over the world where we have a military presence the top officers that we have in the Pacific, in the Middle East, in Europe, everywhere, they have all been ordered to physically leave wherever it is they're posted to travel to the United States because they are all going to be put into the same room at the same time for one big meeting.

And they have let it be known publicly and in advance exactly where that meeting is going to be and exactly when.

And now the president says that he too will go to that meeting.

meeting.

So that's tomorrow.

What could possibly go wrong?

Who's the designated survivor for the U.S.

military in this genius operation to put everyone who's in charge of everything all in the same room, all in person, all at the same time?

Maybe it's the investment advisor and art collector who Trump named Secretary of the Navy.

Sure, why not?

Maybe it's the Commandant of the Coast Guard.

Oh, no, wait, there isn't one.

New York Magazine is reporting that apparently the Homeland Security Secretary is so enjoying living rent-free in the Coast Guard Commandant's house.

So now we don't have anybody in charge of the Coast Guard, but Christy Noam has the Commandant's awesome house to live in for free.

So nobody's really running the Coast Guard because she needs the house.

In recent days, the president has ordered up a multiple count felony indictment of the former FBI director, James Comey.

He has threatened Microsoft that they must fire Lisa Monaco because she's a former Biden administration official who now works for Microsoft.

Trump's DOJ has fired a U.S.

attorney in California, apparently apparently specifically, because she told a Trump immigration official that he would need to follow a federal court order.

They've raided the home and office of Trump's former national security advisor.

They have threatened RICO organized crime felony prosecutions against people who yelled at President Trump inside a restaurant in Washington, D.C.

They appear to have opened a federal criminal investigation into Georgia prosecutor Fonnie Willis, who led the prosecution in Georgia against people who tried to force the overthrow of the presidential election results in 2020 in that state.

So all of this is deeply weird, right?

All of this is,

well, it is what it appears to be.

But

before all of those indictments and federal investigations and federal investigation threats, You may recall that they first

had the mayor of Newark, New Jersey handcuffed and arrested back in May.

You remember this?

The mayor of Newark, New Jersey, his name is Ross Baraka, and three Democratic members of Congress, they went to a federal immigration facility in Newark in May.

They went there because the city of Newark said that facility was operating illegally, given the municipal ordinances that govern a facility like that.

Well, thanks to body cam footage released by a federal court just this afternoon, we now know that the mayor of Newark was right when he said that that arrest did not arise organically from anything that happened on the ground at that ICE facility.

He said at the time that his arrest appeared to have been ordered specifically by top Trump officials in Washington.

Well, now today we can see with our own eyes that that appears to be true.

I'm going to show you some of this footage right now.

I do not think this has been shown anywhere else in the media.

It was just released by a federal court today.

And as you watch this, I just want to point out three things, three sort of people, key people to watch for in this footage I'm about to show you.

First, you will see this bald guy here.

He's the one who's going to make the arrest.

of the mayor of Newark.

Why is he going to make the arrest?

Well, you will see him on the phone.

That's a phone he's holding up to his face there.

You'll see him on the phone agreeing that he will not only arrest the mayor, but he will definitely put him in handcuffs.

And he tells the other officers there that he's doing so, quote, per the Deputy Attorney General of the United States.

So this is an HSI Homeland Security Investigations Officer on the phone agreeing that he's going to arrest this big city mayor, even though the mayor has already left the premises.

And he's agreeing specifically and repeatedly, yes, yes, I will put him in handcuffs.

Because it appears that's what he's being told to do from Washington.

So that's one character to keep an eye on here.

You'll also, very briefly in this clip, see this HSI officer who's in the foreground here, left side of your screen.

And the reason I'm pointing him out

is because before the arrest happens, he appears to recognize that this is all a bad idea.

And he says so out loud.

He says, quote, this is going to get ugly.

And then he walks away before the arrest happens.

You will also see in the bright red jacket here, Congresswoman LaMonica McIver.

She's a Democratic congresswoman from New Jersey.

Trump is also having her prosecuted criminally for what happened here.

Charges were ultimately dropped against Mayor Ross Baraka, but Trump is, the Trump administration is still trying to prosecute this congresswoman.

And in this footage, we will see a lot of what went down involving her.

Again, this footage has just been released by a federal court in the case involving the congresswoman.

It has not been shown elsewhere on TV at this length,

but I want you to see it.

Watch.

No, no, I got it.

I got it.

We're taking them right now.

All right.

Let me just let you talk.

This is cool.

We've been waiting an hour now.

This is not.

Okay.

Yep.

No, I'm going to take them right now.

Okay.

Okay, even though we stepped out, I'm going to put him in cuffs.

We're for over an hour.

And we have the right to be here.

All right, I'm coughing them right now.

All right.

Guys, listen to me.

We're going to walk out of the gates.

I'm going to place the mayor in handcuffs.

Okay?

We are arresting the mayor right now.

Heard the Deputy Attorney General of the United States.

Anyone that gets in our way, I need you guys to give me a perimeter so I can puff them and get them on there.

If you have body cams, turn them on.

Okay?

He advises his security.

He has

on and went for his weapon while we were engaged.

So please take a look at the camera.

Which car are you taking it in?

We'll welcome him back in here.

Okay.

Okay, I already told him on camera that he was under arrest.

We're going to place him under arrest.

Come on.

All right, guys.

Stay with us.

Be careful.

Yeah, I still want.

I'll bring it.

Stay close, stay close.

Get close, get close.

Where's my friend?

Where's my thumb?

Get off of it.

Don't touch us.

Don't touch us.

Don't touch us.

Mr.

Mayor, you're on this round.

Don't touch us.

Don't touch us.

That's it.

That's it.

That's it.

You're posing an issue.

I got the other

one.

Why are you calling me this?

You're calling me out.

Stay down!

Don't push it!

Don't push!

Get back, guys!

Get back!

Inside!

It's time!

Inside!

Back up or I'll shoot, you hear the officer say there before he drops the

receptacle for his paintballs or pepper balls or whatever they are in his gun.

It's body cam footage from the Trump administration's arrest and apparently deliberate ordered from Washington handcuffing of the Democratic mayor of the largest city in New Jersey.

Charges against him were later dropped.

They had initially claimed that they had to arrest him because he was somehow storming the facility.

You see clearly in this footage that he's already left the facility.

He's outside the gate.

They leave the facility themselves to go get him while he is nowhere near inside the facility and not inside the facility's gates.

Charges dropped against that mayor.

Charges have not yet been dropped against Democratic Congresswoman Lamonica McIver.

I want to show you one more clip of this body cam footage that was just released today.

This is body cam footage from a different officer.

It shows more of how they basically manhandled this congresswoman and other members of Congress before they filed charges against Congresswoman MacIver.

If you're wondering whether or not these federal immigration agents had any idea of what they were doing in this situation, whether they might have had any training for this type of thing at all, whether they might possibly have just been winging it with no idea of how to do it, I think this other body cam footage

gives a pretty clear view of that.

And again, remember, Congresswoman MacIver is the person in the bright red jacket.

Watch.

Don't cause this problem.

Calm down, brother.

Calm up the burden.

Stop the room.

Don't touch me.

Don't touch me.

Don't touch me.

Don't touch me, brother.

Just calm down.

Don't touch me.

Don't touch me.

Don't touch me, brother.

Lock up.

Hurry, lock up.

Don't touch us.

Don't touch us.

Don't touch us.

I got you, I got you.

I got you, I got you.

Chaos.

Total, total chaos.

This is the chaos they created, again, outside of this facility beyond the closed gates, which they opened to walk outside the facility to create that chaos.

These officers appear to have no idea what they are doing.

They've been told, apparently, from Washington, to make sure they put handcuffs on the mayor of the largest city of New Jersey, and they approach that task the way a group of six-year-olds on an uncoached soccer team might approach kickoff.

Just run in there and scream and push and see what happens,

including manhandling multiple members of Congress.

Again, that's

body cam footage obtained today as part of the federal criminal case that the Trump administration is still pursuing against a Democratic member of Congress, Lamonica McIver, for this incident in Newark, New Jersey in May.

In New York City, the Trump immigration agent who last week was filmed doing this

to a crying mother in front of her kids and in front of a hallway full of reporters and witnesses.

This Trump agent initially was taken off the job.

There was a statement from the Department of Homeland Security about his supposedly unacceptable behavior in throwing this woman to the ground the way that he did.

But today he was reportedly back on the job in New York City.

In Hyattsville, Maryland, a few days ago, another of Trump's immigration agents fumbled his gun, dropped it, dove for it, dropped it again, momentarily lost track of it, and then grabbed it and pointed it at passersby.

Apparently more out of embarrassment than anything else, he then seems to have quite belatedly realized that maybe he should not just be aiming this gun at people's heads.

And then after a few moments, he eventually drops it and starts pointing it down at the ground instead.

You okay, big guy?

You ever done this before?

This weekend in Chicago, these Trump immigration officers decided that they did not like a guy on a bike who appears to have said something derogatory about President Trump.

And so then they all set off like a kindergarten soccer team, chasing and chasing and chasing to try to get him while he rode away on his bike.

Benny Hill music is optional there, but there they all go.

Sure.

What's the national security objective here, guys?

There were protests all over the Chicago area this weekend against Trump's immigration arrests in Chicago and the weird show of force that Trump's agents keep making with federal agents in masks walking in formation around downtown Chicago and riding on boats in the Chicago River, brandishing long guns like they're swift boating up the Mekong Delta or something.

Today, as Trump announced that he would send troops into Chicago, supposedly to defend immigration facilities there, Democratic Governor J.B.

Pritzker called on Chicago and Illinois residents to get out there and document everything these guys are doing.

People of Illinois, we need your help.

Get out your cell phones.

Record and narrate what you see.

Put it on social media.

Peacefully ask for badge numbers and identification.

Speak up for your neighbors.

We need to let the world know.

that this is happening and that we won't stand for it.

Democratic governor of Illinois J.B.

Pritzker speaking today as Trump sends some number of troops to that city.

Let me show you one other thing that Governor Pritzker said today.

Donald Trump and Christy Noam and Tom Homan said they were targeting the worst of the worst criminals.

They lied, and they continue to lie.

60% of the individuals that ICE has taken in Illinois this year have no criminal criminal convictions of any kind.

ICE is running around the loop harassing people for not being white.

Just a year ago, that was illegal in the United States.

Now, ICE is making it commonplace.

That's not making America great.

In any other country, if federal agents fired upon journalists and protesters when unprovoked.

What would we call it?

If federal federal agents marched down busy streets, harassing civilians and demanding their papers, what would we say?

I don't think we'd have any trouble calling it what it is, authoritarianism.

So let's not pretend it's something else when it happens in our American cities.

When he talks about federal agents firing upon journalists, he's talking, among other things, about a correspondent for the local CBS station in Chicago having having a pepper ball shot at her in her car as she drove past an ICE facility within the past few days.

In addition to the protests and pushback that we are seeing in Illinois, we are also seeing protests and pushback in Memphis, Tennessee, where people marched and rallied this weekend against Trump's plans to send troops to Memphis as of today as well.

There were also protests in Knoxville and in Nashville, Tennessee in support of Memphis as well.

This weekend, there were really big protests in Portland, Oregon, including a a large march that was attended by the state of Oregon's governor and Portland's mayor.

As Trump plans to send troops to Portland as well, we're going to be speaking live with Oregon Governor Tina Kotek here tonight.

Governor Kotek said she spoke directly to Trump about his plan to send troops to Oregon.

She says he seemed confused that Portland isn't on fire, that Portland isn't in trouble of any kind.

She described him as

perhaps seeming confused, that he had been looking at out-of-context, out-of-date social media posts about protests in Oregon from years ago, and literally he might not have any idea that there's no state of war or state of chaos in Portland right now at all.

Oregon was in court trying to block Trump deploying troops there within hours of him announcing the deployment this weekend.

That lawsuit is already moving through the courts.

We're waiting to see if a federal judge will block that deployment imminently.

We're going to speak again with Governor Kotek of Oregon live here in just a moment.

In Kansas and Lawrence, Kansas, people protested against Trump this weekend and specifically in support of Oregon, as Oregon tries to fend off Trump sending in the troops there.

In Kern County, California, this weekend, rural California, people marched from Bakersfield City Hall to the ICE facility at Mesa Verde, protesting Trump's immigration arrests and the conditions in which people are being held there.

In Des Moines, Iowa, literally thousands of people turned out late last week in a big, spontaneous, angry protest when Trump's immigration agents arrested the beloved superintendent of Des Moines Public Schools.

He's currently being imprisoned in a jail in Sioux City, Iowa, and this weekend people protested in support of him there as well.

Last week, you may have seen that some anonymous and very talented artists tried to put up this huge 12-foot-tall statue on the National Mall.

It's called Best Friends Forever, and it shows President Trump holding hands with his longtime close friend, convicted sex trafficker, and pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein.

The artist who made this did get a permit to put this up on the National Mall, and it went up last week before federal officials apparently angrily pulled it down despite the permit.

Claiming there was something about the statue that was incongruent with the lawful permit, the artists got to put it up.

The federal officials who toppled the statue were apparently quite rough with it.

They damaged it a lot.

They appear to have, for example, broken off most of Trump's head when they took the thing down.

But the group retrieved it from federal custody and they worked very hard and very fast on Thursday to repair it because they got another permit on Thursday to allow them to put it back up.

That said, when they showed up with the repaired statue to put it back up, as the permit said they could, they say a phalanx of about 10 cars, including some unmarked vehicles, were waiting for them on the National Mall so that the statue wouldn't ever go up.

They would grab it again and take away the newly repaired Trump Epstein statue as soon as the group showed up with it to put it up again, despite the permit that said they could.

The group is undaunted though.

They have now, as they say in their words, quote, released the files.

They have released the 3D printing files for anybody who has a 3D printer who might want to recreate this statue themselves.

Free download.

Pushback drives them crazy.

It drives them crazy.

They do not want to do anything that's hard.

They like doing things that cow their opponents and that are easy to get away with.

They do not want pushback.

They do not like pushback.

They do not know how to handle it when they get it.

Ahead of what is expected to be another very large round of no-kings protests against Trump on Saturday, October 18th, all across the country.

We're going to talk tonight more about the character of the pushback against Trump and what he's doing.

We're going to check in with a Democratic candidate for governor who has been targeted by the Trump administration in a truly unsettling way.

We're going to speak live with the governor of Oregon, who at this moment is trying to block Trump from sending troops to her state.

They were in court on that matter tonight.

She also has the burden of trying gently to inform him that what he's seeing on social media might not all be true.

Talk to her about that awkwardness.

Maybe a quick lie down in a med bed might help ease his anxious mind about these things?

We are in weird times.

We got lots to get to tonight.

Stay with us.

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New Jersey is one of two states that have governor's races this year.

It's New Jersey and Virginia.

So anything happening in those races is pretty much automatically going to be a national news story.

But in the New Jersey race, something has just happened that's a legit bombshell.

And it involves not just goings-on in New Jersey, it involves the Trump administration.

Unavoidably, the federal government has access to lots of information about you.

Lots of data that you trust the government to handle responsibly and legally, because it's sensitive data about you that could be used for all sorts of nefarious purposes if it was released publicly or got into the wrong hands.

Well, As you know, the Trump administration hasn't exactly been keeping faith with those responsibilities.

They have used federal mortgage data to try to go after Democratic Senator Adam Schiff and New York Democratic Attorney General Letitia James and Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook.

That's the Trump administration using mortgage data from the Federal Housing and Finance Agency to target people President Trump wants targeted.

The Trump administration has also started using data from the IRS and data from the Social Security Administration, specifically to target.

target immigrants.

The Trump administration has started demanding records from the states of everybody everybody who's registered to vote in those states.

They have said outright that they're going to use that data to bring criminal investigations against people whose information is in that data, as states now start to resist handing it over.

Well, along those lines, we now have this news story that relates to the New Jersey governor's race.

The Trump administration has apparently released the full military personnel record, the full social security number and everything, of the Democratic candidate for governor in New Jersey.

They've released it to an ally of her Republican opponent.

The Democratic candidate for governor in New Jersey is Congresswoman Mikey Sherrill.

She spent nearly a decade as a Navy helicopter pilot.

Her campaign recently was horrified to realize that the Trump administration had released her private, unredacted, full military records to an ally of her Republican opponent's campaign.

A donor to that campaign, somebody who Republican candidate Jack Chitterelli says he's considering as his lieutenant governor.

CBS News was first to report that the National Personnel Records Center,

which is charged with maintaining personnel records for service members and civil servants of the U.S.

government, released Cheryl's full military file almost completely unredacted.

The documents included Cheryl's full social security number, which appears on almost every page, home addresses for her and for her parents, life insurance information, Cheryl's performance evaluations.

The federal government released Mikey Cheryl's unredacted file to an ally of the Jack Chitterelli campaign who had filed apparently a freedom of information request.

Such records are not supposed to be made available in full to the public unless it's been more than 60 years since someone completed their military service, which makes this release potentially a violation of privacy laws.

She's out today with a new TV ad, claims that

the law was broken in this case.

The National Personnel Records Center says that they screwed up.

They admit that they made a serious error here.

They got a FOIA request for publicly releasable information about

Cheryl's military record.

And they say a technician mistakenly sent the full unredacted file.

And maybe that is what happened.

But, you know, the Trump administration does not have a super strong claim for the benefit of the doubt on stuff like this.

Again, the federal agency that gave out the records admits that this was wrong.

They've apologized to Congresswoman Mikey Sheryl.

They have asked the guy they gave the records to to not disseminate them.

The Chitterelli campaign did not respond to our requests for comment, but a lawyer for the campaign has said they didn't realize the file contained information that shouldn't have been released.

The lawyer says once they learned that, they

ceased disseminating the material.

But with five weeks to go till election day, this is This is the kind of thing that can not only shake up a race, it can bring national attention to this race for all the wrong reasons.

Joining us now is Congresswoman Mikey Sheryl.

She's the Democratic nominee for governor in the great state of New Jersey.

Congresswoman Sheryl, thank you very much for being here.

I appreciate it.

Well, Rachel, thank you so much for having me.

Let me ask if I got any of that the wrong way around in how I described it.

I know the National Personnel Records Center and the Chitterelli campaign seem to be saying this was all just a regrettable mistake.

I have to ask if

there's elements of this that I either didn't just explain or that are different in terms of how you see it.

Sure.

So what what happened was the Trump administration illegally released my unredacted military personnel records to an ally of the Chitterelli campaign, who then shopped it around to press, even despite being, in his own words, shocked and disgusted when he saw that it contained things like my social security number, my parents' addresses, my 80-year-old parents' addresses.

So, this was not unknown that this was information that should not have been in the public.

And if there was any question when they shopped it to the press, the journalist who got it told them this should not be out here.

In fact, he wrote a whole article about it and warned them that this was not information.

And yet they continued to push this information out and

have not given it back, have not ceased using it.

So it really,

you know, what they're putting out is just not true.

And then furthermore, When we look at how this happened, when we worked with the journalist who was presented with this information and went back to the archivist to see how this happened, there's no mistake that was made here.

This was intentional.

And I'll tell you, if you speak to the professional archivists that were there, remember Trump fired them and now Marco Rubio is in charge of the archives, not a professional archivist,

you'll hear that it takes months, if not over a year, to get access because they're so behind.

And yet what happened here, was there was a request for my data a day before my primary and the gentleman from the the ally of the chitterelli campaign was told no you can't have this you need certain you need to meet certain wickets to get it

and then two days after the primary that i won he found and i quote a real helpful person

at the archives office to get that information to them.

Now, here's what should have happened.

The archives should have requested a signature of mine.

They didn't have it.

They should have had my social security number.

The way they got that was that a technician in the archives went into the VA database, which they had access to as a federal agency.

We would not have access to that, to get my social security number, to then pull my files, which they then gave to this ally of the Chitterelli campaign.

Then they should have told the Navy that they had done so.

They never did that.

And so...

There's really no doubt in my mind that this was fully intentional from the Trump administration to to the Chitterelli campaign to attempt to do this.

And they've continued now to go after my family, my husband's service, my kids, in a completely inappropriate way.

So I have to, I just have to say to the New Jersey people, if he's doing this to me, a sitting member of Congress and a veteran, imagine what he'll do with your information.

Do you feel like you're running against Jack Chitterelli, the Republican candidate, but also running against the federal government.

I mean,

the federal government has this and the U.S.

military has this information because we don't have a choice about whether or not they have it.

We have to trust that they will safeguard it in a way that's both

responsible and legal.

It seems to me like you're up against something that is more than your average political dirty trick.

Yeah, this is pretty low.

And that's why I really just have to say thank you to the veterans from across this country, from Korea to Vietnam to the Global War on Terror, veterans from across this country who have reached out in solidarity with me because this is beyond the pale.

Because as veterans, many of us have incredibly high security clearances.

I myself had the highest security clearance in the military.

And the amount of information our nation has when they do that, they interview your friends and your neighbors and they go through your medical records and those of your family and friends.

It just to think that you

have this, that the government has this information and could use it against you, is just completely, completely unacceptable to veterans.

And so I have to tell people out there, thank you so much for your support.

And I'm just committing to people in New Jersey, to veterans across this country.

I'm running for governor because I can take this.

Jack Chitterelli can come after me.

Donald Trump can come after me.

But I am going to be governor so you don't have to put up with this.

So when Trump comes after New Jerseyans and their private data, their social security numbers, their driver's license, I was just talking to Governor Josh Shapiro earlier today.

He has told Trump no, and I will tell Trump no when he comes after people in my state so they don't have to go through this.

Congresswoman Mikey Sherrill, Democratic nominee for New Jersey governor,

thank you very much for helping us cover this.

scandal this evening.

Thanks for helping us understand it.

Thank you.

All right.

More news ahead tonight.

Stay with us.

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Today, President Trump ordered National Guard troops to Chicago, supposedly to protect federal immigration facilities.

Yesterday, he ordered troops into Portland, Oregon, which he described as war-ravaged, despite the fact that it's still just Portland, Oregon, which is really nice.

This is what the streets of Portland, Oregon looked like yesterday.

People showing up to peacefully protest the planned military occupation of their city.

If this is what Trump thinks war-ravaged looks like, he has a strange understanding of that term.

The two people you see here at the front of some of the protests this weekend are Portland Mayor Keith Wilson.

Hold on, we got those images.

Portland Mayor Ello.

Portland, hello.

No, we got the.

There we go.

Thank you.

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson on the right there and Oregon Governor Tina Kotek.

Those elected officials, both Democrats, showed up to protest the Trump planned troop deployment.

Just hours after it was announced, after that rally, Governor Kotek posted online, quote, today I was in downtown Portland walking peacefully with Oregonians to say that we don't need military intervention here.

We're peaceful.

We're united.

We are Oregon.

And indeed, almost immediately after Trump issued the deployment order for the city of Portland, the state sued the Trump administration to block the deployment of those troops.

They were there in court within six hours of the deployment order.

And now, tonight, the judge in that case has scheduled the first hearings on that case for later this week.

The fight here is joined.

The governor joins us live here next.

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in my conversations directly with President Trump and Secretary Noam,

I have been abundantly clear with them that Portland and the state of Oregon believe in the rule of law and we can manage our own local public safety needs.

Oregon Governor Tina Kotek this weekend saying she told the Trump administration that her state doesn't need or want American troops deployed in the city of Portland.

The Trump administration has gone ahead and ordered those troops deployed deployed anyway.

And now the city of Portland and the state of Oregon are pushing back both in court in a lawsuit they filed essentially instantly as soon as the deployment order was made, and also in peaceful protests, including at least one major protest this weekend that the governor herself helped lead.

Joining us now is Oregon's Democratic governor, Tina Kotek.

Governor, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

I know there's a lot going on and I really appreciate your time.

Thanks, Rachel.

Good to be here.

What do you want the country to understand about the order from the president to deploy troops in your state?

What do you understand about what they're going to be doing and what the scope of this sort of impingement on your authority is going to be?

Yeah, well, thank you.

First of all, I want people to know that Portland, Oregon is a beautiful, vibrant, successful city.

We are not a war zone.

I was out there all weekend long.

People are out and about shopping, going to restaurants, going to soccer matches, going to shows.

Portland is a beautiful place, and we are not under siege.

There's no insurrection here.

When the president

makes a choice to say, I should have military troops in my state, I push back right away.

We were not apprised of the reason for this.

When I tried to get that from the president, it was about concerns about safety at a federal facility.

And I said, look, law enforcement is on top of it.

There's peaceful protests.

And if people are getting out of line, they are being held accountable.

I continue to not understand what the mission is here, but we don't need military intervention in Portland.

And

it's just uncomfortable.

It's nonsensical.

It has nothing to do with what's actually on the ground here.

I know that you spoke directly with President Trump around the time that he was making this decision.

And there's been some reporting about that conversation that suggests that the president might have been basing his decision or at least basing like his stated grounds for the decision on some inaccurate or outdated information that he has seen on social media, maybe without understanding that it wasn't current information.

Can you help us understand that at all?

Well, that is my concern.

You know, that's a challenge, I think, with footage that it becomes evergreen and then you don't know when it was taken.

Because when I was speaking with him, he was talking about multiple federal facilities.

And I was like, you know, the plywood is down.

Downtown Portland is on the mend.

We don't have the situation we had five years ago.

ago.

I don't know what he is remembering, but what I do know is that local law enforcement can manage the situation that's related to the peaceful protests that are happening at the federal facility.

And I think one of the things I'm so frustrated about is he is calling up the Oregon National Guard over top of my role as commander-in-chief of those troops here in Oregon.

The Oregon National Guard, these are private citizens, citizen soldiers, right?

They volunteer for this role.

They have to come off their jobs, go away from their families to do something that is unclear, undefined, with no strategy of what they're actually trying to solve.

It's a waste of taxpayer dollars.

And most Oregonians know this makes absolutely no sense.

I know that as part of this lawsuit that the state has filed to try to block this deployment, both Portland Police and Oregon State Police have issued statements, declarations, saying they don't need or want federal troops in Portland to deal with protesters, not only from your perspective as the state's governor, but from their perspective as the relevant law enforcement here.

They're saying that federal troops would not help and they don't need it.

I'm wondering how that kind of reaction from law enforcement, kind of support for your side of this argument from law enforcement may bolster this case.

It seems to me like a really important factor here.

Well, as a responsible governor, I go and ask law enforcement, do you need additional help?

Is there something you can't manage?

And what I'm hearing is no.

We've not had an ask of the Oregon State Police at this point to help even the Portland police

manage the ongoing sporadic demonstrations that are of concern to the federal administration.

And when I spoke to Homeland Security Nome and as well as

the president, I said, I don't understand what is the concern that we can't manage here.

And I think it's really important to point out that the groundswell of support, or at least the opposition to the deployment, business leaders, we had business leaders at our press conference saying, look, this is not what downtown Portland needs.

We're on the rise.

You're sending the wrong message.

We have mayors across the greater Portland area saying, we stand with Portland.

There's not an issue here.

And if there is, there is mutual aid opportunities if that's the case.

So I'm perplexed.

I'm frustrated.

I don't understand this.

And we're fighting in the courts, right?

The Attorney General and I are at lockstep.

He went to court the day we got the order.

I was hoping we'd get some more time to actually talk this through, but the president just came out on a Sunday morning and said, our troops, you're going to take your troops and they're coming to town.

That is not how we should do this.

This is not what our country should look like.

And when I was on the protest

in the demonstration line yesterday, walking with the mayor, we value our ability.

as Americans, as Oregonians, to express our concern about this administration.

And people are going to continue to do that lawfully.

We can keep people safe and have lawful demonstrations, and that's what we want to do here.

And we do not need the help of the federal administration.

Oregon's Democratic governor, Tina Kotak, Governor, thank you so much for your time this evening.

I know it's a stressful time right now to have the job that you have, but I really appreciate you helping us understand it.

Thank you.

Thanks, Rachel.

Have a good one.

You too.

We'll be right back.

All right, that's going to do it for me tonight.