Talk Tracks Ep. 16: The Story of Jes and Asher

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In this episode of The Talk Tracks, we've reunited with Jess Curzon from season one, a retired teacher from Somerset, England, whose experience with telepathy in her students transformed her outlook on life.

Featured in the episode Teachers Break the Silence of Telepathy, Jess remembers her experiences of telepathy in a classroom of elementary-age students and how she herself became a part of all of it.

Today, Jess tells us the incredible true story of her decades-long friendship with her former student Asher, whose story we only just breached the surface of in episode 5 of the telepathy tapes.

And here she is from season one.

I started off as a teacher.

That was my first and only job.

I got asked to do a temporary contract in this school for children with speech difficulties and or language difficulties.

It was intimidating terrain for her, but she loved it and it turned into a permanent post.

A new six-year-old student named Asher joined the class and immediately just noticed that he was having an immense influence on the behavior of the rest of the class, although no words were being spoken.

I'd be reading a story to the class and they'd all be sort of giggling to themselves and they'd never done that before.

It suddenly dawned on me, these little kids are communicating with each other through telepathy.

Asha was the ringleader of this.

I wanted in on this.

I wanted to understand what was going on.

I wanted to be part of it.

Wow.

Okay.

So how did that unfold?

I could feel that one little boy was behind me and he was beaming at me really strongly, that he wanted my attention and he wanted it right then and there.

And I just said without even turning around,

Jimmy, just wait a minute, please.

I'll come and help you in a sec.

Just be patient.

And Asher was sitting across the room watching the whole thing.

And he went, well done, Jimmy.

She got it.

She got it.

And the whole plant started clapping.

The next step was a little boy called Max, who kind of took on the role of talking into my head.

I could actually hear his little voice in my head when he wanted my attention.

Today, Jess tells us the incredible true story of her decades-long friendship with her former student, Asher, whose story we only just breached the surface of in episode five of the telepathy tapes.

Jess shares how that bond evolved, how Asher's gifts as a seer and spiritual teacher have expanded, and what lies beyond what we think is even possible.

This story is one of deep trust, soul agreements, and the power of unseen connection.

And here's Jess.

My name is Jess Curzon, and I am a retired teacher.

And when I was a teacher many, many years ago now, I had a little boy in my class called Asher.

And he was six years old and

basically headhunted me.

He basically told me that we had planned to work together during this lifetime.

And he remembered us making a deal before he was born.

So

I kind of thought, wow, sounds interesting.

So we just started working together, first of all, as pupil and teacher.

And as he grew older and various things happened in his life, I got to know him a lot better.

I also ended up teaching him for quite a few years.

And during that time, he demonstrated to me that he had amazing psychic abilities, incredible knowledge of things that I knew nothing about.

And so over the years, relationships more or less flipped over so that I'm now the student.

He is,

well, my spiritual teacher in a way.

And I'm also his scribe because he chooses not to,

he can talk now.

He couldn't talk very well when I first knew him, but although he can talk functionally now and does for everyday life, when he's trying to explain stuff from the realms, things that he picks up in the Akashic Records or whatever you want to call it, he...

He says words aren't enough.

They're not sufficient.

Our language, no language has the right words for it, and so he just sends it all as thoughts into my mind.

And I'm the one who has to try and find words for it.

At the time I met him, I was teaching children with speech and language difficulties.

And

because of that problem and its interface with

autism, there were quite a few autistic children within the class and yes, he was one of them.

Asher's mother passed away when he was just nine years old.

By that time, Jess and Asher's mother had developed a close relationship.

And just before she died, she shared an important message with Jess.

I was called into the hospice where she was.

I'd got to know Nina very well by that time, and she'd been terminally ill for about nine months, I think.

And her husband phoned me and said, look.

She's asking to speak to you.

Can you go into the hospice after work tonight?

And I did and

met up with her there.

and she was still lucid.

She was obviously close to the end, but she still understood exactly what was going on.

And we had what turned out to be our final conversation together.

And during that conversation, she said to me, look,

his dad's going to struggle with being a single parent, with having two kids to bring up.

He's also going to struggle with Asher's difficulties in terms of the speech and language difficulties and the autism and so forth.

And she said, even when he's left your class, can you help him out?

Keep an eye on him, stay in touch with him.

And by that time, I'd become incredibly fond of Asher and we had actually built up quite a strong relationship.

And I said, well, absolutely.

Yeah.

I mean, I will be a lifetime friend to him.

About four years after she died, by then Asher was a young teen.

He was I was still in touch with him, but he was like most 13-year-old lads, I suppose.

He was quite an angry child.

Obviously, his mother's death had affected him.

Obviously, the autism, because by then he was in a mainstream school and trying to cope with a class full of neurotypical kids.

And so that was really quite a wake-up call for him because he'd always had me around at.

primary, elementary school.

And suddenly he was like in this huge secondary school with children who didn't really understand him.

And he was struggling to make friends, struggling to get on with other kids.

And he'd finally found a mate.

And this mate he hung out with all the time.

It was always this mate who was a great laugh.

He told me he was great fun.

But he was very secretive about.

what he and his friend were up to.

And I thought, well, that's normal.

I've got three kids of my own who are older.

and i've been through all the teenage stuff so it didn't bother me too much

but oddly

for several weeks every time i did something that had to do with the spiritual side of life like once i went for some spiritual healing and another time i was just listening to a radio show that happened to be about seances.

And on each of those three occasions, I felt this most excruciating pain in my left knee.

And it was agony.

I mean, when I went for the healing, it was, it was quite laughable because, you know, I went in there just wanting a general chop up of the healing.

And 10 minutes into the session, I was writhing about on the couch in absolute agony and wanting it to stop.

Couldn't work out what it was, nor could the healer.

And after the sessions finished, it was right as rain.

It was fine, but it felt like a

vice was gripping it.

It was absolutely unbearable pressure, huge amount of pain.

And after the third time it happened, I thought something weird is going on here.

And just this little nagging feeling came into my head.

Each time it's been something to do with the spiritual, each time it's been,

oh, someone on the other side trying to get in touch with me.

And that really, you know, gave me the heebie-jeebies.

I

wasn't very keen on that idea.

So I sort of thought, oh, must be a wrong number.

They're mistaking me for a psychic medium or something.

I don't know anyone who's passed over who'd want to contact me.

And then this thought came to me.

Nina.

Now, Nina was always known to her family as knee, for short.

And I thought, hang on, Nina,

is she trying to get my attention by gripping my knee?

And I thought, and it's my left knee.

And Nina has left.

And it was, it was just her sense of humour.

And I just felt this tiny little twinge as much as to say, are you getting it?

Well,

I mean, I'd never done anything like that.

I'd never tried to contact anyone in the beyond.

It just wasn't something on my radar at all.

But she

was trying to contact me.

And the message she wanted to share with me was that Asher was in danger.

And

she had felt the need to sort of come back from the beyond to warn me of this because I wasn't picking it up and nor was anyone in his family.

And I was sort of spent a long time trying to find out what the danger was.

It turned out to be this.

friend of his had introduced him to a bunch of much older lads who were up to no good.

They were doing some naughty things.

And

of course, he was only 13.

He was on the autistic spectrum.

He didn't have the social skills and the sort of wherewithal to know that what he was doing was wrong.

So I had to very, very gently sort of feel my way into this without alienating him.

And eventually he admitted to me that he was out of his depth that

he could do with a bit of health.

And we've got it sorted.

But that was come down to his mum.

The time that I went into the hospice to see her, Asher had been avoiding going in.

He just couldn't bear to see her that ill.

And he'd been staying away.

And she'd said to me, can you get him to come in before I pass?

Because he's going to hold it against himself if he doesn't.

And I'd spoken to him at school the next day and said, your mum's really near the end end now.

It's time to go and say goodbye to her, sweetheart.

You know, you need to go in there.

And so he got his dad to take him off to school.

And by that time, she'd sunk into a coma and she was completely unresponsive.

And so he went in and he sat with her and he talked to her.

But as far as he was concerned, she hadn't heard anything and she died not knowing.

But while I was in contact with

Nina these

four years later, she told me everything that had taken place in that conversation.

And I was actually able to write down that conversation for Asher's tiny little details, like his dad knocking on the door and saying, Everything all right, son, and stuff like that.

And I wrote it all down,

put it in an envelope, and handed it to Asher and said,

Message from your mum, she got it after all.

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we got into the habit of going on train journeys together it started off as a treat for him when his mother was ill you know i used to give the parents a bit of respite and take him out at weekends sometimes and he loved trains so yeah we were on a train ride together and gosh how old was he then 15 maybe

can't remember And in his teens anyway.

And he'd been trying to explain some very satiric ideas to me, and it was way beyond my comprehension level.

And he said, look,

we're sitting in a train and there's a table between us.

And he'd got a plastic water bottle next to him on his side of the table.

And he said to me, How could you move that water bottle from where it is now, near me, across to your side of the table without touching it and i thought

well i can't blow it because it's full of water it's too heavy and the table's bolted to the carriage so i can't

lift the table i said it's not that sort of answer you want is it so you know

something

much more esoteric and mystical and he said yeah And so I said, all right, well, you better tell me then.

And he said, well, see it where you want it to be.

Just visualize, intend, focus on where you want it to be.

Not where it is now, where you want it to be.

All right, fine.

But, you know, in my experience, water bottles didn't just teleport across tables.

So I sat and focused and he was doing the same.

We were both looking at the point at which the water bottle was to be.

And

literally less than five minutes later, the guard came into the carriage.

And in our country, they come round once during the journey to check everybody's ticket.

And he came up to our table and he checked my ticket and he checked Asher's ticket.

The whole thing took seconds.

And during that interaction, for absolutely no logical reason at all, This guard just picked up the water bottle from where it was on his side and put it in front of me and then walked on to the next table and

I just sat there staring at Aster open mouth

what on earth happened there he said well

you know it was intention and it was just focusing on

where you wanted it to be and I said but you know that man was nothing to do with it how did it happen and he said

he would just happen to be the cause of it he said it could have been something else It could have been some other passenger walking past and knocking it with his elbow.

It could have been the train sort of suddenly rolling and it moved that way.

But he said, it's just life joining up the dots.

You want this.

You've got that.

Life joins up the dots to get what you want.

Ever since he told me that we made this plan to work together, I'd always realised, you know, there was definitely something unusual about this kid.

And I also knew that he was messing up most of my lessons in order to draw my attention

there was one

interesting day when he was still quite little and he said to me one day

that he had a secret

and

the only person who knew this secret was his best friend, who was the little boy who was really good at talking into my mind so I could hear him.

And

he'd shared this information with Max, but he and Max didn't talk to each other because neither of them had very good speech.

They just used telepathy the whole time.

And so he'd found it easy to share his piece of information with Max, his secret, but he realized with me at that point, he was going to have to use words and words weren't his strong point.

So he just sort of sat there and he was obviously very het up.

He really wanted to tell me, but he was really struggling to do it.

And eventually he grabbed a little scrap of paper and I have actually still got the scrap of paper.

He sort of hid it like little kids do, hid it behind his hand and wrote secretly on it.

And then he

folded it into masses and masses of pieces and it was a tiny little thick piece of paper and thrust it into my hand and ran out of the room.

That led me to open it up.

So I opened up all this piece of paper and he'd written, I am different from everybody.

And

I didn't really know what it meant then.

And I don't think he knew what it meant then.

All he knew was that he had

knowledge and abilities and awarenesses that

other people just didn't seem to have.

And he told me years later that it came as quite a shock to him that his first task was to learn to speak because he realized that was important and his mum had told him he'd need to learn to speak to get by in life and then the second thing that really really mattered to him was finding out what other people found when they went off to these other realms and other worlds and dimensions and

It came as an absolute shock to him that most people were totally unaware of all of that.

I suppose that's why he decided he'd got to train me and teach me the operative so that he could share it with other people.

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I suppose he's taught me that

we are the creators of our own lives, that our experience

while we're living on the earth is a temporary part of our greater self, if you like, soul, if you want to use a sort of quasi-religious word.

And

that

we just

we come here for a few decades, maybe,

you know, more or less.

And during that incarnation,

we're still part of a much greater spirit self.

And this is just one little bit bit of it and that we have loads of incarnations and

he said

in

a sort of spiritual sense they're all happening at once one might be in the 15th century and one might have been in ancient rome and one might be you know zillions of years in the future but he said in terms of spirit, they're all happening at once, but just on the human timeline, they're happening at different times.

He showed it to me, the image he used, because he's very good at putting images into my head.

He calls them astral envelopes.

And it's like you've sent an envelope full of pictures and

sounds and words and all sorts of things and stacked it all together.

And the one he sent me for

different incarnations and how they all fit together was the carnation flower.

And he said, if you imagine your greater self as a carnation flower,

each petal on it is

one life.

And

with carnation petals, they all bend back and forwards and double over and almost turn in on themselves.

And so that's what a human life is like.

We have an experience and then we go off somewhere and then we have another experience that's uncannily like that one we had five years years ago and that we carry on and they all interact with each other the different experiences and that's one life and he said each of the petals each of the different lives

fit together so that you can hardly see where one stops and one starts in terms of spirit So when you've got your spirit self, you've just got this mass of different petals all interacting.

And what you do in one lifetime is going to affect something you do in another lifetime, whether that's in earthly terms in the past or the present or the future.

And they're all going to interact with each other and you're still the same, the same person in a great sense, although each one's got a separate personality.

And he said you can even think in terms of a whole bunch of carnations where if you put them all together, they're all mixed in.

And that's your soul family, your spirit family.

You know, it's other people like Asher and I have been together in a lot of lives and lots of people in your present life, he says, you know, are also people that you've known in many other lives.

And I thought it was a lovely way of explaining.

So it's incarnations.

When he was 16, he had a formal assessment to find out, you know, what exactly his

problems were.

And the doctor he spoke to told him that he had,

he called it Asperger's syndrome, because that was the diagnosis for sort of high functioning autism at that time.

And explained the whole thing to him, asked him loads of questions.

I mean, I wasn't there, but this is what Ash told me afterwards.

And one of the things the doctor asked him was,

what

have you had any other sort of symptoms, anything else that makes you different from normal people?

And Asher, being a very honest kid, said, well, I get these visions sometimes.

I sort of see things that are going to happen in the future, or

I don't hear voices, but I just know things in my head, the stuff that I know.

And I don't know how I know it, but you know, it's sort of information just comes through to me and all the rest of it.

And this doctor just turned around and smiled, nodded his head sagely and said, Yep, yeah, they're called delusions, son.

You know, that's, that's part of your diagnosis.

You see, that's one of the issues that people with autism get.

They get these delusions, and you know, you're just gonna have to ignore them and pretend they're not there because they're not real.

You know, don't believe any of this stuff, it's all rubbish.

But it's just you know, your brain isn't working right, it's not like everybody else's brain.

And so, all these odd things come into your head.

So, next time it happens, just remind yourself that it's not true.

And

he believed the doctor.

His dad believed the doctor.

His teachers believed the doctor.

And I was this little lone voice.

And Asher said, Well, he's got lots more qualifications than you have.

You know, you're only a primary school teacher, and he's, you know, he's got all these medical qualifications.

So he must know what he's talking about.

So you've got to stop believing all this stuff, I'm telling you.

And if you believe it, then you're deluded as well.

And at that point, he just

shut the door on all of that for a long time.

And so

every so often I tried to persuade him and say, look, you know, you didn't make that stuff up.

It was really coming to you.

You've got this incredible gift.

You've got this ability.

And the doctors just don't understand it yet.

You know, maybe one day they will, but at the moment, they don't get

what is going on with you.

And at that time, I didn't know any other people who were having that sort of experience.

So as far as I was concerned, this was this one-off amazing kid.

So it took him a long time to come around.

And sometimes he would share things.

He actually started, I suppose you'd call it astral flying at about that time.

And

he was absolutely torn down the middle because part of him desperately wanted to share this information with me because it was so mind-blowing.

The other part of it was thinking, yeah, but it's not real.

You know, I've got to start behaving like a normal person because I want to be accepted by everyone.

We had a very dodgy few years, quite a few years.

And then I think, to be honest, the real breakthrough came when we started doing remote viewing.

I just saw a YouTube video about it and thought

Asher would really be interested in this stuff.

And by that time, our lives have moved on.

He was a young adult.

He was living in London.

I was living in Somerset, which is the other side of the country.

So we were about 150 miles apart.

We didn't see each other much, but we talked a lot, you know, by email and stuff.

So I said, look, I've, you know, been watching this thing called remote viewing.

Have you ever come across it?

She said, no.

I said, well, you know, I think we need to give it a try because it's actually something I'm sure you'd be good at.

We started off doing just simple things like one of us would hold a crystal and the other one would be trying to write down any impressions they got of the crystal, you know, what colour it was, what shape it was, whether it was opaque or clear or whatever.

And then

we'd take photos of our respective crystals and compare.

And we were getting some quite good results.

So I said, right, well, let's move it on a notch.

Let's try.

I'll go somewhere to, you know, a location.

I won't tell you where I'm going.

i'll go and stand there for 15 minutes you write down draw any ideas you get and i'll take photos and then you know we can swap over after the 15 minutes and of course he was absolutely incredible at it and he was picking up so many images so many things and he just loved that because he got proof he could see my photo he could see his drawing and he knew and finally finally, it was that doctor didn't know what he was talking about, did he?

No, he did not.

He had got it.

And then it got even more fun because he started doing remote viewing into the future.

I started off with, I had an appointment the following weekend and I said to him, well, I know where I'm going to be next Saturday.

So see if you can work out where I'm going to be next Saturday.

He wrote all this stuff down.

And then, of course, the following Saturday, I was in this location.

I was able to take pictures of the clock that was on the wall, the telephone box that was outside, all the things that he'd written down a week earlier.

We did double-blind tests or as near to double-blind tests as we could.

Like I'd say, right, I don't know where I'm going to be in a week's time.

And I'm going to get.

a friend, another friend to drive me somewhere.

She will decide where we're going and you're still going to decide where i'm going to be and

it worked

i think anybody who is high functioning autistic who's autistic

able to cope in society able to

you know in asher's case he's holding down a job he's in his mid-30s now living a semi

independent life but It involves so much masking.

He lives two sort of more or less separate lives.

The telepathic stuff he does with me is

something that goes on

in secret.

And he really is quite split between the two.

He doesn't want to talk about things we're doing, but

he's got to carry on masking to get through his everyday life because it's the way it is for these people until the world wakes up to it a bit.

And the telepathy test, because with those young people, they'll do a telepathy session with their parent or whoever their telepathic partner is.

And

because they can spell, they can actually write things out and you've got your proof.

With Asher, I just have that certainty.

And it's he intends it that way.

He's got a very strange relationship with words.

This is Asher speaking through telepathy.

He says that

words are frozen thoughts.

They become solid and intractable like hurling lumps of ice at someone.

They're cold and heavy and they can hurt.

Sending my thoughts to you is like sending a cloud of water vapor.

They don't take form until they reach your mind.

There you condense them into a liquid state and they become a joint process between us.

I say liquid because you have some leeway as to how you receive them.

You pick up a gestalt and I can send feelings, sensations, memories, and a context along with the meaning and it flows.

When he was

a teenager, he used to visit a part of the realms.

He is very insistent that it's not a place because it's beyond time and it's beyond space.

So he said, you know, it's not like going on a train ride to somewhere else.

It's beginning this and endless,

but

it's still growing.

It's the whole of source, the whole of consciousness.

And

he said, you can think of it as there being different levels and different parts of it.

And he has

shown me again, strong envelopes, his ideas of these places.

And there was one occasion where I was on this kind of spiral staircase, it felt like, that was like an escalator.

It was moving upwards.

And

I sort of saw this really bright light.

I was moving out of body.

It was literally him sending me a secondhand image of, there was just this feeling of friendship.

I couldn't make out any individuals there.

I wasn't seeing spirits or angels or gods or anything, but I was just aware of this

friendship and caring and togetherness and that I was just part of it somehow just for those few seconds.

Asher and I were having a discussion once about

I was talking about materialist people, you know, people who don't see anything other than just physical life and saying,

yeah, okay, I get that it seems to work that way most of the time, but how can they believe the whole thing came about through a happy accident?

And this is something Ash just said, and this must have been about three or four years ago.

And I just want to tie it into something that happened in the Telepathate podcast because it's got a real link.

This is actually a quote from A Mind Beyond Words from our first book.

He's talking about that materialist, this mythical materialist person.

He has no choice than to think that.

He and his kind cannot see any viable alternative.

They are rational.

That's the antithesis of faith and superstition.

If he opens the door even a crack to such things, he fears he'll end up having to accept God.

In one of the early episodes of the telepathy tapes podcast, there was, I think it was one of the cameramen who Kai found sitting with his head in his hands.

Do I have to believe in God now?

I thought, I should have wrote that down.

That was just so strange.

And this was several years before that happened.

He's now moving into

a lot of other stuff.

I think probably truth is one of the things that he would really like us to discuss.

I came across this wonderful quote by

Schopenhauer the other day and

he'd said whenever he lived that all truth passes through three stages.

First, it's ridiculed.

Second, it's violently opposed.

And third, it's accepted as being self-evident.

I think his

overall aim is the shift has started.

We need to be moving into it.

We need to be building a society that's more inclusive, that's allowing

for the talents and abilities and general amazingness of the Autistic Population to be

not just believed, but actually

used and become

part of

our society because these people have got

something that will be really helpful to us.

Asher has avoided using the word god or gods.

He usually uses light or source, but

he says that there's more than just us in the cosmos.

We are actually part of that.

We are part of source.

We are

a fractal bit of that and

we've got all that power within ourselves.

He said we've got to get used to

using our own skills, our own ability to create, you know, whether it's moving a water bottle across a train carriage or

creating your entire life.

It's all the same thing that we have the power within us.

And

we're going to be waking up to that as we go further into the shift.

That's it for this episode of the Talk Tracks, but new episodes will now be released every other Sunday.

So stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads.

even the veiled ones that knit together our reality.

Please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind.

Thank you to my amazing collaborators.

Original Music was created by Elizabeth P.W., Original Logo and Cover Art by Ben Kendor Design, the audio mix and finishing by Sarah Ma, our amazing podcast coordinator, Jill Pachesnik, the telepathy tapes coordinator and my right hand, Katherine Ellis, and I'm Kai Dickens, your writer, creator, and host.

Thank you again for joining us.

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