Talk Tracks Ep 5: Consciousness Beyond The Body: When a Coma Projects a Ghost

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Hi everyone, I'm Kai Dickens and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the Talk Tracks. In this series, we dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected truths from the telepathy tapes.

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We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, nonspeakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today, but won't for long.

Over the past year, I've encountered some mind-bending stories. So it's pretty rare now for something to leave me a bit speechless.
But today, we have two extraordinary stories that did just that.

One tells the story of a young, non-speaking boy who used telepathy to save a life from miles away.

The other reveals how a dying woman's consciousness returned to her family home so powerfully that the new family living there mistook it for a ghost.

Both stories challenge the very limits of what we believe about consciousness, suggesting that our awareness isn't confined to our bodies and that deep, unseen connections can transcend distance, perception, and even our understanding of reality itself.

So, first, we welcome Elody. So, Elody, I mean, I'm so excited because, you know, we do have emails coming in from listeners, and it's always just really exciting to hear stories.

And there's some that just pop out. And I think, oh my gosh, I want our audience to hear this story because it's so beautiful.
So, I guess for starters, why don't you introduce yourself?

My name is Elody Tarantino, and I live in North Georgia Mountains. I'm a mother of two boys, beautiful boys.
They're 22 and 21, and we own a pizzeria.

Okay, so first, you wrote an email that just stunned us. And I'd love for you to share now with listeners who Brandon is and how he saved your life.

But I guess first, we should probably go back to your terrifying brush with death, yourself, and how that experience allowed your own consciousness to kind of open up and allow you to tap into more than you could before.

I had a cyst on my ovary that I was unaware of that ruptured. And when it ruptured, it popped a little bitty blood vessel and I started bleeding out.

Within minutes, I was going downhill because I had lost so much blood. I lost nine units of blood.
And I remember being in a fetal position, jerking, still not aware what was going on.

And the nurse was rubbing my head saying, baby, stay with me, stay with me, honey. And it was so.
It was so strange because I still didn't know what was happening.

I just kept telling her, I'm so cold. I'm so cold.
And then the most amazing thing, I rolled over. I felt like somebody was pouring warm milk on top of my head.

And I felt this sensation go through me of love, comfort,

warmth. It was really amazing.
And I straightened out. And I remember looking at the lady and her saying, baby, stay with me.
And I shut my eyes.

The near-death experience happened within a few minutes. There was this golden ball of light to my left, which was all-encompassing love.

And I was flying towards this sun that was so brilliant orange. I can't even describe the colors that I saw, but this color was amazingly like a tangerine.

And we're going towards, and I remember thinking, my skin's not getting hot, because I really thought I was flying into the sun. So I'm like, my face is not getting hot.

And then when I arrived inside the sun, it was amazing because there were all these people, and over to my left were different groups of people. Down in front of me were all these people.

And this, there was like the chiffon energy screen that was happening above their heads. And it was my whole life.
It was my past, present, and future happening all at once.

There was no linear time here. It was very strange.
I wasn't overwhelmed by looking at it.

Next thing I knew, I woke up a few days later and the awareness was, I felt like I had been a little mouse living in a glass cage my whole life being content and then put out in the desert.

I started getting flashbacks of me being where I was.

So for you, your near-death experience, like it kind of came back to you almost, like once the drugs wore off, then you remembered it came flooding back to you. Flooding back.

And it was like, because I just, I was different when I woke up, but I remember just being vulnerable, feeling like vulnerable and aware.

And I always say this heightened my spiritual experiences because I had a lot of them when I was a kid. So this just opened it up even further for me.

How old were you when you had your near-death experience? I was 18. How long after your NDE did the story with Brandon happen?

It was about a year and a half.

And it just my life, I thought it was going to get better when i came back you know and it just kind of took a turn and got harder and worse and and and more difficult i was doing nails at the time and i had this young lady her name was amy and she was just a sweet girl and she came in and she started talking to me one day about how her aunt was a special ed teacher in east texas and how she was working with these autistic kids and how intelligent these autistic kids were, that they were smarter than some of these doctors and doctors were coming to the school to interview them and they just couldn't, everybody was wowed.

And I just remember thinking, well, that's, that's unusual. I've never heard anything like this.
This is really cool. And she said, well, I'm going to see my aunt.
Would you like to go with me?

And I said, well, thank you for inviting me. But in reality, I just was a little too depressed to want to be around anybody or go do anything like that.
There was a lot going on in my life.

I can't even pinpoint at that moment what was really happening. I had had a very challenging relationship with my mom, and I just felt abandoned by her.
And I felt abandoned by everybody. Yeah.

And then I believe you said in your email that it was that night after you saw your friend Amy, who was a client in the nail salon, that things really hit rock bottom for you.

Do you feel comfortable sharing that part of the story? I mean, this does become a little personal. And I was really upset that that night and I wasn't sure that I wanted to be here anymore.
And I was

crying and asking in God, you know, please, I don't, I don't want to be here, but I don't want to not not be here.

I had written a letter and I was the type of person who everybody would have said, I would have never dreamed she would have done this. It was a very private thing for me to be depressed.

I didn't want anybody to know, but I was contemplating that evening on leaving this earth.

And I think this is what was the interesting part is in the moment, I think in that moment, because of what had happened to me, I knew what existed on the other side.

And I know you said that because of your near-death experience, it's not like you feared the idea of ending your life and that you didn't want to, of course, but rather that you felt like you couldn't keep living and that you just prayed in desperation that night.

Can you tell us about that moment or those prayers? I really did open myself up in that moment.

Like, if you've got any way you're going to help me to get through this moment right here, you need to make your presence known because I'm about to make this decision.

And I said, God, please help me because I don't want to do this, but I just can't be here anymore.

And

as soon as I finished saying that, I heard this boy and he caught my attention and he said my name. He said, Elodie, God hears your prayers.

And I remember going,

in that moment, I saw this little boy. I knew he had dark hair.
I knew his name was Brandon. He never told me his name was Brandon.
but I knew his name was Brandon. And it was so crisp and clear.

And he got my attention. And immediately I stopped myself and I said, okay, I know I'm not crazy.
I know I just heard this little boy.

I know his name is Brandon and I know he has dark hair and I know he's young and I knew he was around seven, seven years old.

And so I thought, okay, I'm just going to put everything to the side. I was kind of in shock over that.
So I was like, he got my attention. I went to bed.

The very next morning, I was woken up by that girl, Amy, who had come in. She had called me because we were kind of friends.

And I had given her my number number in case she ever wanted you know to hang out we had never hung out before other than the nails and she called me and she said led are you okay and i said yeah i'm fine why

and she said well i'm sitting here with brandon and he said you asked in god last night and i said you're what i mean i just i was like What did you say his name was again?

And she said, Brandon, one of the autistic boys I was telling you about. And I said,

okay,

where are you located? And she said, I'm in East Texas, which was almost three hours away from where I was. And I said,

give me the address. I'm coming your way.
I was so in shock because she goes, I'm sitting here with Brandon and he came over and asked me to contact you.

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Okay, so you were a nail tech in a nail salon. Amy wasn't one of your clients.

Amy's aunt worked in a special needs classroom in Texas. Yes, in East Texas.
East Texas. And one of her students was a seven-year-old named Brandon.
And I guess they did all this typing together.

He had told her to contact me and ask if I was okay.

So I drive all the way to East Texas. When I got there, Brandon's mother opened the door and said, so you're Elodie.

And in the meantime, as she's looking at me, I'm seeing all these six other autistic kids and all their parents in the background of the home in her house.

She goes, Brandon's been talking about you for months. And I'm like, again, I'm in in shock.
And I'm just, I'm walking in so in shock and dumbfounded. She goes, well, come in.

She said, we got to figure out why Brandon's contacted you. We're used to this, but clearly you're not.
And I'm like, oh my God. So I walk in.

And of course, Amy's there with her aunt, all the kids, the parents, and they're so used to these things happening amongst them that, you know, they kind of were giggling at how in shock I was, right?

She said, we just have to figure out out why he's contacted you.

Did Brandon's mom explain?

So it sounded like before the night he came to you and talked to you telepathically, it sounded like he was actually tapping in and aware of you and your pain months before that.

First of all, did Brandon,

could he communicate via speaking or did he spell to communicate?

It was all in typing. And it's interesting because I actually had the experience of him sitting on my lap and all I did was lift up his wrist like this.

And I just barely put my finger under there, and he went to it. I just followed him, and he typed, and he typed quite fast.

How old was he at the time? He was seven, eight years old. Did he say why he first came to you or found you? How did he first know that you were even there and suffering somewhere? I don't know.

I don't have an answer to that. I really think that

he might have connected through Amy's aunt because she was his teacher for Amy. And then Amy connected with me, and it kind of went down.
And Brandon said he told Amy, his mom mentioned this as well.

He contacted me on the lollipop line. That's what he called it.
And of course, this was in, I believe it was 92. What did he mean by lollipop line?

So I, you know, in listening to the telepathy tapes and the children talking about the hill, that was his,

what he called like the hill is the lollipop line and how they communicate with each other.

He said he talks to his friends and his family and everybody through the lollipop line. And that's how he contacted me.

So I've always loved that because I thought, so it was interesting to hear the hill because I was waiting to hear about the lollipop line. Wow.
And what year was this? 92, I believe.

It was right, right either right at the end of 91 or I think it was at the beginning of 92.

Wow. So he was talking about the hill and calling it the lollipop line like 35 years ago.
Wow. Holy cow.
And after that, did you ever contemplate suicide again? No.

Nope. No, Brandon, Brandon sealed the deal for me.
It came in like almost like an immediate lesson. Don't forget why you're here.
And that was it. That was it.
It was a boom.

Has Brandon, have you ever talked with him since?

No, I lost track, but I still have a picture with them in the classroom. I did see Amy after that.

I asked what was going on and she said something about that they shut the program down because there was something happening somewhere else, somebody saying about abuse.

And so that they had shut the program down and they weren't able to work with them like that anymore. And I was devastated.
The first fallout of the facilitated communication scandals.

And it truly devastated lives, people who were communicating. And it's just so devastating to think of all those people that were made to stop communicating, you know? I was really sad.

After you had your near-death experience, for you in particular, what quote-unquote spiritual gifts were heightened? I guess my ability to connect with the other side. That shot through the roof.

I know that always kind of happened, but not to the extent until after my near-death. And the first time I had an experience with that, I just remember just it being so clear.

However, Kai, I just didn't know that this didn't happen to everybody else. So I didn't really make that big a deal about it.

I just would tell my stories of, oh, this happened to me last night and this happened to me.

Until one time I had one of my friends look at me and she goes, you know, this is not normal, Elodie, right? I was in shock when she told me that.

I said, surely you've had experiences with ghosts or spirits and the other side. And she goes, no, never.

And I just remember thinking that was so odd.

So when you're getting the messages from someone on the other side and you're doing your medium work, does it come through like telepathy, like you're hearing their voices?

Do you see them in front of you? Is it like you're receiving messages that you just have to decode? Are you seeing images? Like, how does it work for you?

One of my favorite questions, and it's an excellent question. So for me, it comes in layers of thoughts, feelings, impressions, sometimes pictures, emotions.

It depends for me personally. I don't know about other mediums, but it depends how they were here in the physical form.

So if they were more of a hands-on type of person or visual person, I might get more pictures. If they were more emotional, I might get more emotions, but it does come in layers for me.

So I can put that kind of picture together. Sometimes I hear words and thoughts.
So, you know, that's when it becomes easy for me to say a name or, you know, things like that that come through.

It really depends for me on the communicator on the other side. So, that's what's so fascinating.

So, that tracks with every medium I've ever interviewed or who's written in to tell kind of their stories.

What's fascinating is you seeing the spirits often in a room, because I know for a few non-speakers that I've spent time with and that were even featured in the telepathy tapes, they can often have really scary situations where they're seeing someone.

And what is that? I mean, is that like just a ghost? And then what is a ghost? And why do the medium people not come as a ghost? Do you know what I mean? Like, what's the difference in these forms?

I really believe, Kai, that has to do with vibration. I see it in my mind's eye.
So I can look at a room and see the room as it is in our physical sense.

And then in my mind's eye, in the room, I see a person. And sometimes for me, if you were to look straightforward, but

there is somebody sitting in your peripheral vision, you might not be able to make out their

details of their face, but you know they're blonde. You know their,

you know, certain height and things like that. So that's how I'll sometimes get that information.

But it does seem like mediumship for people who truly have the gift like you, there is an element of telepathy involved because you're communicating with someone without a body.

It's all telepathy. And I have done sessions where I'm communicating with somebody's mom and that woman is saying,

you have my mom, but she is still living. And then they'll say, she has Alzheimer and has been nonverbal for years.

So this is why

when I sent you that email, it's very important to me to not only acknowledge these autistic kids, but every nonverbal person that is existing now in their physical body that cannot speak.

We are leaving people in hospitals where we think they're not even existing and they're there, but nobody's acknowledging that. How often have you experienced this with someone with Alzheimer's?

Quite a few times. Maybe I'm communicating with a father that is passed on the other side.
And then all of a sudden I'm starting to communicate with the mother.

And one lady even said, I know you have my mother because you're describing everything, but she's still here. And there was one that was in a coma.

I mean, she's still living, but they they didn't even think she was listening or hearing anything.

So now they know, or they did after that. I mean, it's just such a gift that people can realize that because if your loved one, if you're assuming that they're not there and they're not hearing,

just how scary what could come out of your mouth or the level of hope or peace that you're bringing in that room.

You know?

It's so interesting you say that because when you were talking on the telepathy tapes about that, that is one thing I've known ever since i came out of my near death that anything i speak anything i say is heard and felt by the whole

and after my experience i always tell people it's like a big we're a big spider web you know how spider webs have those little sections and we could be so far from the other section but we're connected to the whole in your telepathy tapes these children talk about that people won't have the ability to use their gifts if they're not genuine.

And that is absolutely 1000% true. It's a genuine coming from the heart and love and caring and connection.

And you just don't want to say anything that could harm somebody's soul, even if they can't hear it. What a story.

What a profoundly beautiful story of just the spider web, of being super interconnected. Well, thank you for giving me the opportunity.
I really appreciate you looking into this and doing what you do.

When I got off Zoom with Elodie, I was a bit stunned because she told me something I'd never heard before, which was that people in a coma or with Alzheimer's or dementia reach out to her telepathically and communicate with her almost in a way that mediums describe or the non-speakers with telepathy describe.

So in my mind, it was like, well, if that is true, it should be looked into if it hasn't been already, because then it means that our consciousness truly does expand outside of our mind.

So immediately I called Dr. Julia Mossbridge, a cognitive neuroscientist and experimental psychologist who specializes in consciousness.

And to be honest, she's like my neuroscientist on speed dial and helps me make sense of things when I just can't. And even though I was explaining this to Dr.

Mossbridge and saying, oh my gosh, have you ever heard anything like this? She took it in stride and told me.

She's heard this type of thing before and that I should speak to Lloyd Auerbach before releasing this episode. I'm Lloyd Auerbach.
I'm a parapsychologist.

I focus on education as well as field investigation. And I've been in the field of parapsychology for well over 40 years at this point.

And so Lloyd's story builds on Elodie's claim that consciousness of those who are sick or comatose or have dementia may meaningfully extend beyond the body.

But this story takes it even further and again, left my jaw on the ground.

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I'm president of the Thrine Research Center's board of directors and president of the Forever Family Foundation.

Well, you have a story that was very interesting to me and brought to my attention by Julia Mossbridge. Can you share that with me?

So this took place back in the mid-1980s. It's actually kind of toward the end of a time period when John F.

Kennedy University here in the San Francisco Bay Area had a graduate parapsychology program, and I was on faculty. So we got a call at the department.
from a woman.

She and her husband had moved in a few months before to an 80-year-old home in Marin County. It was one of two homes originally built 80 years before by two Scottish immigrant brothers.

The other one was up the street from them. Sue, the woman and the couple, so it was Sue and her husband, and they had two little kids, three and four years old.

Sue noticed a small girl, about five or six years old, who had appeared in the house. She was there playing with the boys and asked who she was, and she disappeared.

for the first time in front of her. But she kept coming back and

playing with the boys, more importantly, following Sue around like Sue was her mother or something to a point where Sue said that on occasion she would follow her upstairs through the kitchen, hang out with her in the kitchen, never really talk.

So she would respond, but not verbally, and even followed her at one point when they were, she was taking the boys shopping into the car on the driveway, but disappeared from the back of the car as she drove away from the house.

So Sue is the mom, she's got two little boys, and all of them were seeing this girl. The husband was not seeing the girl, but he was taking the solid stride because the boys saw her.
Sue saw her.

Okay, so there's a little girl who appears in this old house to the mom, Sue, and to her two little boys, and she appears and disappears. And what I love is that this is not a ghost story.

So you get a call at the university and go and look into this. Yeah, the first time I was there was with two of my grad students.

Nothing had ever shown up in the place as haunted.

At one point, Sue went looking around the house just to in case in the attic, anything she could find that might have been left over from the original owners.

And she happened to find some photographs, some old photographs of two little girls from decades before on a swing set.

And one of them, the younger one, looked like the little girl who was being seen. What?

So Sue thought that perhaps this was the deceased daughter, one of the deceased daughters of the original owners of their house.

So then did you, could you find like an old neighbor or someone who could help you determine who was in the picture?

We did find out that the family living up the street from them in the other original home, it was actually the grandson, apparently, of one of the original brothers, the one who built that house up the street.

So at my suggestion, she went up the street and talked to the grandsons of that family, showed them the pictures, pointed to the little girl, girl,

told them about the ghost, and the guy says, well, no, it can't be her. She's upstairs.

That's my cousin. She's upstairs.

She's

in home hospice care. She has terminal cancer.
She has

a caregiver up there, and she's upstairs.

So

Sue came down,

back down to her house, called me, and we arranged for her to go up and meet the woman who was in home hospice care. She took the boy, Sue took her two sons with her.

When she walked in the room, she waited to make sure that the home caregiver, that nurse, actually said, she is awake. Because apparently the woman was in and out of consciousness.

She was not constantly awake. She was in pain.

She was on painkillers and she was in and out of consciousness. So they waited for a time that she was awake and clear.

And they basically, as they walked in, when she was awake, the woman looked up and said, oh, you're that nice lady from down the street.

And she said, hello to the two young boys by name. She called them by their first names.
So Sue gets real curious, like, how do you know this? And she said, well, I dream about you.

I dream that I'm still a little girl in my childhood home and I go down and visit. And you look just like my mother.

Now, this is a really interesting thing. Sue had found pictures of of the mother, the wife of the guy who built the house, and there was a really strong resemblance to Sue.

I mean they could have been sisters, if not almost twins. So this continued in a couple of different ways.
Sue and the kids had a sort of established relationship with the woman.

And the apparition of the woman, when she was a young girl, a little girl, would still appear down the street.

One thing that happened though changed because Sue called me at one point and said, she's appeared as an adult.

She looks like she's in real pain. I said, you need to call the nurse and find out what's going on because obviously something is happening.

And so Sue calls the nurse and said, the nurse says, well, we changed your pain medication. And Sue, just thinking on her feet, said, Tell them to change it back.

She's obviously in a lot of pain, or at least ask her. And she was in a lot of pain.
So after apparently, the medication was changed back, the little girl starts appearing again.

The woman's still going in and out of consciousness, sleeping, waking up, talking about dreaming about the kids, all of that stuff.

And I was able to speak to the nurse and get kind of a logbook, a chronology of when she was unconscious and when Sue saw the apparition.

And it was always when the woman was asleep or unconscious in some way. So it was never when she was awake.
So she was dreaming about it and apparently going out of body and appearing that way.

Though at one point, Sue did hear from the family that it looked like she was towards the end of her life.

So Sue actually

said something to the little girl, which was, you need to save your energy for yourself,

not come out and see us all the time. In the meantime, I just mentioned they had been up there many times.
And again, the woman did say that she was dreaming about this.

So eventually, Sue, like I said, told her to put her energy together. She went up there and

made sure that was clear to her when she was awake as well. And at that point, the little girl's ghost disappeared.
Shortly after, she found out that she had died.

She never came back again. She did not appear after she had actually physically passed away.

So,

what was that like her higher self or is it like bilocation or what was that? Well, I think bilocation would be the closest term you could use.

We have a long history in parapsychology psychical research back to the 19th century of what are called apparitions of the living.

Many of those seem to connect to people having an out-of-body experience, whether in a dream or spontaneously otherwise.

And on occasion, it's when it's someone who has learned to do out-of-body work and travels somewhere and they have a conscious experience with someone someone that's there.

So, that's the closest we can come to this.

The other category of living apparitions would happen when somebody is in physical trauma, is in an accident or severe illness, and they appear looking like they're in pain or distress to a loved one.

It seems to be some sort of projection as opposed to an actual travel out of body. Have you experienced this with Alzheimer's ever, where someone travels or bilocates?

I have not heard that, heard of specific cases where the person had Alzheimer's.

I would expect, however, if someone did have that part of their consciousness that actually left, that there wouldn't be necessarily any sort of symptoms of Alzheimer's because the brain is not getting in the way at that point.

There are those cases of deathbed visions where people who are dying see an apparition in hospice and they have Alzheimer's, but they suddenly have hyperlucid moments. They come out of that state.

A medium I work with, when she passed away of cancer in 2011. I talked to her husband.
A couple of her students were there as well. And she had been heavily sedated because she was in extreme pain.

She woke up, contrary to what the doctor said she could possibly do. She woke up, had a conversation with her husband and the students and her parents who were deceased, who were there.

The hospice worker witnessed all of this. Then she said, okay, it's time for me to go.
And she slipped back into unconsciousness and passed away.

So there was nothing physical in her body that would allow her to suppress the sedation at that point. Gosh, it's so wild.
Thank you, Lloyd, for hopping on the phone with me so quickly. Absolutely.

Happy to do so. So this opens up a lot.
For me, I've never comprehended this facet of telepathy or consciousness travel or whatever you might call it.

And yet it does seem to offer more insights into how our minds might expand well beyond our body.

And things become even more remarkable because when I shared Lloyd's story with my team, they told me that they've been getting emails about telepathy being unlocked in individuals who suffered a stroke or who were in a coma or who have dementia or Alzheimer's disease.

So remarkably, this theme has pushed itself into our periphery, and we will do another episode on this for sure.

That's it for this episode of the Talk Tracks, but new episodes will now be released every other Sunday, so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads.

even the veiled ones that knit together our reality. Please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind.
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