167. Iman Hasan: How to Boost Fertility with Cellular Health Hacks

The slower you go into menopause, the more life expectancy you can have.

If we can slow down menopause, it extends women's life expectancy.

I just want to help as many women as possible because the fertility industry is only booming, but they're missing so many key things which makes a woman live a happier, healthier life.

You've really become a voice in women's health and fertility, and I think this is a very underserved area of the market right now.

I made it my mission on the podcast to interview the best doctors on the east and west coast.

I realized that they're applying the lens of longevity to fertility and is getting their patients better results.

I think most people, when they think about improving fertility, they're talking about how do we better harvest the eggs, not actually what is the quality of the egg itself.

Insulin completely destroys your actual egg.

If you have an unregulated nervous system and your body's in chronic fight or flight, how are you going to get pregnant?

I think there's a real paucity of understanding for non-OBGYNs that don't actually specialize in female hormones.

Where do they start?

You can start with a basic female hormone panel and work with the right practitioner who can read that and say,

Ultimate Human.

Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

I'm your host, human biologist Gary Breca, where we go down the road of everything, anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between.

And today's guest is a very special guest, not just because she's my neighbor.

She only lives four minutes away from me in the grove, I just found out,

but because she began her career on the marketing side of things in the health and wellness space and now has become deeply interested and embedded and a voice for women's health in this industry.

And I had a fascinating discussion with her before the cameras started rolling.

In fact, we did half a podcast today in my condo before we came on.

So welcome to the podcast, Iman Hassan.

Thank you, Gary, for having me.

I've been such a fan of your work for so long.

So it's truly a pleasure for me to be sitting here across you.

Thank you.

That's that's really kind of you.

You know, I'm always, I'm always, um,

it gets exciting to me when people say that because some, some of the mentors that I've had over the years, like, you know, Mark Hyman and some of some of these other guys have, when I see them walk into my condo, I'm, I'm like a little starstruck.

You know, my, my heroes are not like celebrities and athletes.

My heroes are like the big movers in this space.

And, and, uh, so I deeply appreciate you saying that.

For my audience that's not familiar with you, I think you have a really interesting history.

I also think that, like a lot of my guests,

you solved the problem in your life.

And it is probably the reason, the foundation for your level of passion and commitment to this industry.

I, I, you know, heard the story about your mother.

I'm very sorry to hear about that, by the way, but there's so many people listening to this podcast that are are living similar lives and have been on similar journeys, but you turned it into your purpose.

And it seems that that was a major shift in your life and a level of dedication and sort of commitment, focus, passion that maybe didn't exist before.

And I think very often we find our purpose in our pain.

And so I'd love it if you would just share your journey with my audience.

And then I have a litany of questions that we're going to get into, especially for my female audience, you know, fertility, what have you.

I think this is going to be such an exciting afternoon.

So thank you for teeing that up really nicely for me.

So I have a background.

I've been working in luxury fashion lifestyle for almost 20 plus years.

I lived in London, Dubai, and now the U.S.

Been here for about almost 12 years now.

And so I knew how to build luxury brands.

I knew how to use that voice.

I knew how to get you to the next level.

How do you reach your consumer?

How do you market to them?

And all my life, I was actually a really sickly child.

Now you'd look at me and be like, you had health issues?

I have a lot of health issues, actually a lot of ovarian problems.

And it was only six years ago that I met a functional medicine doctor and he got me into peptides.

And I started trying to heal my body and piecing all of this together.

While I went down that whole peptide rabbit hole, a few years into it, the pandemic hit.

And my mom, who was already immune compromised and who was not leaving the house, I don't know why her GP, as they called him, general practitioner in the UK, told her to get vaccinated and boosted within 90 days of her getting the the booster.

She got turbo cancer, which is like a cancer that spreads really rapidly through your body before you know it.

That's it.

Within 90 days of receiving that booster, she passed away.

Wow.

And my agency, we had been around for almost five years at this point.

I'd worked at really big companies prior to that, being their VP or director at other agencies.

And I called my managing director who still works with me and said, Lauren, I love you.

And I know we've been doing this for a long time.

We're really hyper-focused on luxury, but I think there's such a disconnect happening with humanity on their being lied to.

And I really want to build brands, practitioners, clinics, experts in this space that I'm passionate about.

Wow.

And today, we were obviously 95% of our portfolio used to be luxury.

We still have a portion of that, but now 90% of our portfolio is health and wellness.

So amazing.

You know a lot about it.

And in 2024,

you guys won an award for this.

Huge award, yeah.

Yeah, Inc.

Magazines, Power Players of 2024.

We're an all-female company, by the way.

Really?

Yep.

That's amazing.

All-female.

We're 15 going on 20 employees this year, and we're opening up offices in the Middle East, which we spoke about.

I'm very passionate about

that entire region.

And it's been an interesting journey.

And we're really, I would say our clients are some of like the best voices in the space.

And we work with like Dr.

Will Cole, Jess Pietros, who you interviewed.

Body Bio is a company that I spoke to you about.

We've worked previously with Sweet Green.

So we really.

I think do a really good job at curating.

We're not just looking for mass brands.

We're not just looking at you because you have money.

We want to work with the best to amplify their voices and build them into the next

brand, the global voice of the

I feel like that's a part of the responsibility of the platform of the ultimate human.

When I look at the ultimate human,

I don't feel like it has any competitors.

And I mean like not that somebody's not competing with me in the podcast space.

I mean that I don't feel like

there is a competitor that I wouldn't feature if they had the right product or service.

You know, one of the things that a partner of mine sent to me a while ago that made a lot of sense, but it was troubling to me: it doesn't really matter what the best brand is.

What matters is the best-known brand.

And very often, you see the best-known brands, especially in food and health and wellness and supplements, and even a lot of biohacking modalities.

The best-known brands aren't necessarily the best for you or the best brands.

And so I feel like one of my responsibilities is to find the best brands and give them a voice, sort of help push them up through the noise.

Is that what you're talking about?

That's exactly what we do.

So when you apply to us, we really look into your ingredients.

I'll give you a little bit of a personal story.

Yeah.

We had a brand.

My husband actually got contacted.

He's like, I'm going to invest in the supplement company.

Can you please take them on?

And I was like, he's like, the founder is great.

The branding is great.

The marketing seems really good.

Can you take them on as a client?

Give the guy a bit of a discount as a startup, but I think he'll do well.

I said, okay, because my husband was investing in the company.

Gary, we got the products.

It came to our house.

And I said, this brand has ingredients that shreds your gut.

It's typically one of those brands that the guy said, I want to start a longevity company.

Went to a manufacturer.

Manufacturer was like, I'll put this, this, this, in, including natural flavors, which we know are not good for you.

And I called the founder and said, I can't, and they're paying client.

I said, I can't work with you guys till you change your formulation.

She said, can't change the formulation until I sell out of the units.

I said, then you need to come back at a different time because I cannot put my name.

and get you in front of my community because I have so many friends in this space and endorse this brand because me endorsing it means, okay, I've signed off on it.

I feel the same way.

Like if I do a, if, if, if somebody's watching your podcast or my podcast and a commercial comes on for avis rent a car i mean they kind of realize okay youtube is pushing that commercial to your audience but if you do an ad read yes or you take an endorsement or a sponsorship from them that's that's an endorsement i mean that's you endorsing that product and i totally agree with you we have the same philosophy at the ultimate human is to try to have the message be as authentic as possible so maybe we just developed a little hack where we'll follow who what brands your agency represents And go in that way.

Just go in there.

It's like a little secret hack of the biohack

community.

Yeah, a little backdoor.

But, you know, what I find really fascinating is that, you know, the movement from fashion to wellness, that makes perfect sense to me, especially given, you know, the

incident with your mother.

But you've really become a voice in women's fertility, women's health and fertility.

And I think this is a very underserved area of the market right now, because if you look at the rates of,

you know, sperm decline, sperm counts, and you look at fertility rates in women,

these are both plummeting massively.

In fact, for the last more than 10 years, sperm counts have dropped 8%

every single year.

Now, that might not sound like a big deal until you realize, wow, in 10 years from now, 20 years from now, 30 years from now, at this rate of decline, which if it's declining at a percent per year, it's probably going to accelerate.

We're going to be infertile

in no time during our lifetime.

And so I'd love to back up because there's so many women listening to this podcast now that are either engaging in IVF or thinking about IVF or maybe they've gotten to a certain age and they're thinking, maybe I should harvest my eggs and just pause the clock for a while.

So let's talk a little bit about the state of fertility.

Right.

And then talk a little bit about

so I'm a woman going through, you know, kind of I decided, my husband decided last year, okay, we're going to start trying for kids.

We're in our 40s.

Like I'm going to, I'm 42 this year.

I can't believe it either.

And yeah.

I told her when she walked in, I'm like, your skin is amazing.

Well, it's thanks to Body Bio PC.

Yeah.

I just started it today, by the way.

It's amazing.

So

I'm a geek.

I'm a nerd.

You know, I'm not a doctor, but I'm really...

curious and interested in everything.

So went to get all my fertility testing done and I'm pretty healthy and all this stuff.

Turns out my levels were terrible.

What levels?

AMH and FSH.

The two levels with which they measure fertility is, so AMH means how much ovarian reserve do you have left and FSH is a hormone that kind of tells your body how to produce eggs every single month, right?

So those are the two main key markers of fertility they test you for, right?

Okay.

I go in to get this test done and the higher your AMH is, the lower your ovarian reserve, the lower your FSH, the lower your FSH is, the better it is for you, right?

So you basically, my two numbers were basically in the in the gutter.

And I start looking into fertility.

I meet with a bunch of fertility doctors and stuff and they're like, we'll just do a round of IVF.

We'll just do a round of IVF.

And I'm like, something's not making sense to me.

So I made it my mission on the podcast to interview the best doctors on the east and west coast.

I interviewed like nine fertility experts and I just went on this tour being like, I'm going to meet you.

I'm going to learn.

I'm going to learn.

I'm going to learn.

Finally, through two incredible doctors that I met, I realized that they're applying the lens of longevity to fertility and is getting their patients better results.

So they're not telling you straight go into and go get your IVF done.

They're like, I'm putting you on rapamycin, which has recently been studied in Columbia to lowers women's fertility.

It can decrease like ovarian aging by 20%, which gives you five extra years on your fertility.

Five extra years.

Five extra years.

Wow.

Rapamycin.

It was studied in Columbia.

They did a cohort with these women.

They put them on rapamycine, rapamycin, on low dosage, 2.5 milligrams once a week, not overdoing it.

And that is the research that they got back.

Then there's things like PRP for for the ovaries it's experimentative but also the field of ivf has only been around for 45 years right

they're doing umbilical cord stem cells stem cells is a huge thing they don't do in the us yet but the doctor i see is based in the us but he has a clinic in the bahamas so i go i'm a guinea pig i was like i'm gonna try this stuff on myself first i started with the whole thing with a pk protocol lipid replacement therapy started cleaning out my system started getting rid of the toxins

Because, and we'll get into the whole mitochondria piece of it.

But then I go into doing the PRP and the stem cells for the ovaries.

And today I'm ovulating naturally.

My range is completely fixed.

Wow.

My AMH got into, like, I got out of menopausal range into a normal range.

My FSH completely like got into a normal range as well.

I think it's like a 3.2 now, which is amazing.

Wow.

And so I was like, okay, I'm going to try this stuff on myself.

Then all the supplements they technically you should be taking for fertility.

NMN, and I'll get into why it's better than NAD.

We talked about rapamycin, magnesium, vitamin D.

All of this stuff is actually geared towards longevity.

Right.

Yeah, these are all these protocols.

They're mitochondrial protocols.

And so we'll talk about the mitochondria.

There are a hundred thousand to five hundred thousand mitochondrial essential cells in your eggs.

That is incredible.

We talked about this in the hyperbaric

when you first got here.

And I was like, we got to cover this in the podcast because,

and that's not even anything that I knew.

I thought the distribution of mitochondria was relatively consistent.

But you're saying it's a hundred X or a hundred thousand X to 500,000.

And you can look this up.

And in muscle tissue, it's 1,000 to 5,000.

So huge.

And why is it so high in this, in your eggs?

Because you're creating an embryo.

Yes.

But it's all fueled by your mitochondria, right?

So everything comes down to that.

So most people are walking around chronically inflamed.

Mitochondrial health is not good, which is why I did the PK protocol to fix that.

Yeah, and started building my mitochondrial health again.

So if your gut health is not good, you will have infertility issues 100%.

Or you will be going through these multiple rounds of IVF.

Now, IVF alone is a $43 billion industry as of today.

Wow.

By 2034, it is going to be a $100 billion industry.

Incredible.

But what are they not doing?

Most doctors are not looking at it.

You go in, it's like a factory.

You come in, do a round, do a round, and a round.

One round of IVS can be anywhere from $15,000 to $35,000.

Wow.

So wouldn't it make more sense?

For those folks that don't know what you mean by a round of IVS.

Oh, what is

essentially a cycle of IVF?

So every month you get to do a cycle based on your hormone levels, based on what they, when you go in for a scan, how many follicles do they see?

And what they do is they blast you with these drugs to get your body to produce more follicles so they can extract the follicles, which become the eggs.

And the eggs then get fertilized and they create an embryo.

And then they put it, whether you're carrying or a surrogate is carrying, they figure that out and they kind of put it back in.

Now that whole, all these steps are so out of the body to begin with.

It's not normal.

It's not a normal way to have a kid, right?

So it's putting additional stress on your body.

So when you're going through a round of IVF, right?

If your baseline is not fixed, all you're trying to do is take low-quality eggs.

Right.

Shoot yourself with a bunch of drugs.

And a lot of times for women in their 40s, our bodies will shut down and say, mm-mm, we're done.

So to reverse engineer the problem is get your body really clean, reduce inflammation.

Inflammation is a really big part of infertility as well.

Influence is a part of everything.

It's the root of all evil.

And really get your gut health fixed.

Set yourself up for success.

And I personally have decided I'm not even doing IVF.

We're only doing trying naturally now.

Wow.

Because it's able to do the stem cells and all this stuff and the biohacking and also hyperbaric chambers is incredible.

That's amazing.

So this is a route I've decided to take.

And I'm like a walking science experiment.

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I mean, you were telling me earlier, and I found it fascinating about the difference in mitochondrial density between,

you know, your female egg and the balance of your body and how things like hyperbaric chambers can improve that density, even improve the health of those eggs.

Because I think most people, when they think about in vitro fertilization or they think about improving fertility, they're talking about how do we better harvest the eggs, not actually what is the quality of the egg itself.

And I think there's a notion that because we know that your number is

constant and, you know, it's, it's, you're not manufacturing them, but you are harboring them.

Correct.

And so I believe that there is a sentiment that there's not much you can do to improve the health of the egg.

There may be something you can do to improve its release or its collection.

But it's more than that.

What you're saying is there are things that you can do to actually improve the viability of the egg itself.

And improve your fertility levels over

and secondarily improve your fertility levels.

Can you talk a little bit about that?

I mean, let's just say that

young menstruating female or a female that has decided that it's time for her to freeze her eggs,

so then needs to harvest them and wants the highest quality, you know,

most potentially viable egg that she can have.

What are some of those steps and tests?

One of the biggest thing is you need to check your insulin, insulin resistance.

Insulin completely destroys

your actual egg.

So many stressed-out women are insulin resistant, too.

Well, only 7% of us are metabolically flexible in America, right?

So if you look at that statistic alone, that means most of us, 90, you know, plus 90% of people, are walking around chronically inflamed.

So what insulin essentially does is when you have a lot of insulin circulating in your body, your follicles actually have these insulin receptors in them.

So, when the insulin hits your follicles and you have access, you know, kind of insulin that cannot get rotated out of your body, what ends up happening is it starts damaging your follicles and therefore it compromises your egg.

Wow.

It also affects your sex-binding hormone capacity, so your globulin does not work correctly.

So, what it does is, overall, that's a cascade of like just infertility kind of going around, and nobody's looking at it.

So, PCOS and

endometriosis is both caused by metabolic disorder right it is caused through insulin resistance but most fertility clinics do not cover it they don't talk about it they don't bring it up and they and then everyone's like well why are GLP1s being so successful when you're going through a fertility journey well why is it being successful is because you're lowering insulin right

you're improving their insulin sensitivity and the other big thing is I think women need to start weight training because what does weight training do it helps grab out all the access and insulin you have in your body and kind of weeds it out so there's a lot of little little changes you can make by understanding your baseline, where your hormone levels are at just beyond what they test for.

It's beyond AMH and FSH, right?

Because that's the two markers they really look for.

Understanding your homocysteine levels, running a full thyroid panel, not just a couple, running the whole thing.

Then checking.

Yeah.

Fasting glucose.

What is your fasting glucose levels?

And checking how inflamed you are and reducing the inflammation, reducing the level of toxins, getting yourself really fit and healthy.

And then, if you decide, hey, I want to do IVF or I want to try naturally, then you take that route.

You know, I think there's also a misnomer that, because I've saw this in our patient community in my previous clinic, and that was that there's a notion that insulin resistance has to go along with obesity or morbid obesity or some kind of body morphic expression.

And it's actually not true.

I mean, a lot of,

I would say, young fit women,

especially younger women, women, can be significantly insulin resistant, but appear to be healthy.

Now, they're having other symptoms that they'll tell you that they're having.

A lot of times it follows gut dysbiosis.

It also follows poor sleep schedules, cortisol imbalances, high levels of stress, anxiety, what have you.

But outwardly, you're looking at this woman and you say to yourself, that does not look like the picture of someone that would have insulin resistance.

And I think it's good that you're highlighting this because these are some of the underlying issues that younger, healthier women might not be thinking about.

Because they look in the mirror and they're not, okay, I'm not morbidly obese.

I would naturally think that if I had this underlying metabolic condition, I'd have this physical expression.

But what we're finding now, especially in metabolic syndrome, is that it's happening at younger and younger ages.

The majority of it, as well as autoimmune, is happening in women, not men, sometimes almost two or three to three to one.

And you don't necessarily have to have have the expression of that in order to be there.

So

if

there's a woman that's listening to this podcast right now and is considering going that route to either freeze their eggs or is just trying to get pregnant naturally and wants to have the best experience.

How far out do you start?

And what are some of the ways that they can condition themselves to?

So we have a lot to learn from the East when it comes to fertility.

And I'll tell you why.

If you look at countries like China, Japan, Korea, they prep their bodies for one year this is a really one year prior so in america we like to do everything brush we like to have a magic pill for you're like yeah i want to have a baby hand yeah that's his thing you know and so we're like wait we're doing this completely wrong so removing toxins from your from your like the food you're eating a lot of women have personal care products that are you know leaching out all these toxins into their body so prepping a year, being really intentional.

What are you storing your food in?

What are you actually consuming?

Eating whole food, unprocessed food, removing the seeds.

It's not not just a fad.

It makes a massive difference.

So starting a year prior, removing a lot of toxins, understanding if you can afford it, obviously it comes down to resources, but pushing your doctors, if you're going the fertility route to test you for a full thyroid panel, test your fasting glucose, all of that stuff, cleaning out the toxins in your body, and then kind of getting into regulating your nervous system.

If you have an unregulated nervous system and your body's in chronic fight or flight, How are you going to get pregnant?

And there's so many women, guys too, that are stuck in that chronic fight or flight.

I mean, mean, social media, lack of social connection, poor sleep, poor circadian cycle, poor biorhythm, you know, stresses the body out.

And we stay in this

sympathetic state, which sounds misleading because sympathetic sounds like you should be very calm, but sympathetic is the fight or flight state.

And in that state, it is astounding to me how many of our basic biophysiologic processes are

hampered.

One of which is the waste elimination cycle from

cells, which makes that environment that the eggs are in toxic.

Right.

Right.

So

I want to be specific here for a moment.

First of all, I love what you're saying because, excuse me, I talk about this on my podcast all the time that there are these underlying toxins that are in everybody's blood, yours, mine.

Yeah.

You know, we've all got them.

We don't identify them and we do nothing to remove them from our bodies.

You know, I use this vibrant wellness test if you're using it.

Yeah, they're clients of ours.

Yeah.

No, they are?

Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

I should have known it.

Thank you.

I'm putting a list of her clients in the show notes below, and you could just blatantly use those companies and those products.

And I have no affiliation with them at all, whatsoever.

The reason why I bring that test up in particular is because

I was shocked when I got my own results back.

And my wife and my daughter, and now my son have all done this test.

And the amount of microtoxicity we're giving ourselves, glyphosate, the bisphenols, the microplastics, the phthalates,

the aflatoxin A, aflatoxin B, the percentage of clients that have chronic mold, chronic mycotoxin.

And this sounds so sinister and like we're all fear-mongering, but the truth is we're not

because such a high percentage of the population has this.

And once you know, you can now fix it.

That's the really cool thing.

And most of the protocols to get rid of these things are not onerous and they're not horrifically expensive.

Right.

So can you talk a little bit about

how they would begin that journey?

I mean, what kind of testing do you think?

First and foremost, if you can afford it, I would, before you even go to a fertility expert, you can go at your levels checks from your OBGYN, find a functional medicine doctor or really well-trained nutritionist to work with because they can check for a lot of these biomarkers on you and they will clean out your system.

Clean terrain means better chances of fertility, whether naturally or through IVF, all of that stuff.

When my husband started, I'll give you a little bit on male fertility for anyone listening.

When my husband started, we did fertility testing together, his sperm count was in the trash.

He was shocked.

He was so personally impacted.

He now has gone into HRT and stuff.

And no, he was on it and we took him off because testosterone destroys your sperm.

Right, right.

And a lot of these functional medicine doctors.

you know, kind of put you on this peptide, put you on testosterone.

And what it does, it destroys your own motility basically gets destroyed.

so we put him on a bunch of supplements cleaned out his gut fixed his gut got him detox got him ready got him firing and now he went back and did a test he's like wow his fertility levels were super high like his his sperm count was incredible

you're talking about his sperm count yeah his sperm count was amazing so now he was like wait why did i not know this earlier so him also removing ultra processed food getting his you know kind of getting on this anti-inflammatory diet cleaning out any plastics in the house all of that made a huge difference to him and then we put him on supplements vitamin d magnesium, selenium.

We put him on NAD precursors, you know?

And there's another thing that people don't know.

So there's a whole fad going around this whole community, like the longevity community about NAD.

Now,

the NAD molecule itself is too big to actually get into the tissue.

So when you're getting these NAD IVs, the Buck Institute of Longevity has come up with this research.

They actually spoke about it in Mark Hyman's podcast.

The molecule is too large to get into the tissue.

That is why the precursors, NMN and NR, either or are

and paired with antioxidants, because if you take NMN or NR and put it into your system, but you have a lot of oxidative stress in your body, it will break it down, so it can't do its job.

Right.

Now, NMN and NR are also being researched when it comes to women's ovarian aging, helping slow down women's ovarian aging, again, a longevity drug like rapomycin.

And it's actually a supplement, and it slows down ovarian aging.

The more we slow down our ovarian aging, the better chances we have of fertility.

Yes, makes a lot of sense.

And there was a 2019 GAMA study done that showed that if we can slow down menopause and go into natural menopause later, it extends women's life expectancy.

So the slower you go into menopause, the more life expectancy you can have.

Wow, we knew that in the mortality space too.

There's a really interesting,

and maybe I'll link it in the show notes because you'll probably find this very interesting study that looked at the incidence of cardiovascular disease between men and women.

And you see that women lead men by a huge margin until women stop menstruating.

And then there's this parabolic hockey stick spike and they approximate men in the incidence of cardiovascular disease.

And it's been a while since I read the study, but I remember thinking this has to have something to do with menstruation, right?

Turning your blood over because it's very healthy.

I mean, a lot of men that go on TRT,

you know, are really recommended by their doctor to do therapeutic phlebotomy.

The weird weird thing about hormone replacement therapy, by the way, in fertility, when it comes to men and women, is men should not be on it, but women should be, if you need, on not synthetic, bio-identical hormones.

So one of the other things is nobody tested me for this prior, and I go see one of these fertility doctors who's more like looking at it from a longevity lens.

She's incredible.

Her name is Dr.

Amy Azade.

Her Instagram handle is the egg whisperer.

She said to me

at the egg whisperer.

At the egg whisperer.

At the egg whisperer.

She literally is an egg whisperer.

She's an egg whisperer.

She's the one who got me on rapamycin she's like you need to go on rapamycin you need to go do stem cells and prp for your ovaries and i was like wait you're the only person who's saying that

i did that stem cells umbilical cord stem cells and prp for the ovaries that's incredible and there's a lot of research and i'll get into it coming out of greece because they've really been leading the charge um that is slowing down women going to menopause it's extending fertility there are more live birth rates because that's how they calculate it all out wow so it's newer to the us but other countries are doing it And so she said to me, you need to get on bio-identical hormones, like you need to go on hormone replacement therapy.

And she started me with these estradol patches that I now wear.

And then, you know, according to my cycle, when we're calculating it, because we're obviously trying, she then puts me on progesterone.

And it's actually good for you.

And then there was other research that came out that women have been lied to about going, because there's a lot of things in the female health community about, should I be on hormone?

Should I not?

You are actually supposed to be on it.

You are actually supposed to take it because that whole study that came out that women in their 60s should not be on a hormone replacement therapy was alive.

Yeah.

Now the OBGYNs are pissed off.

Yeah.

So

it's really interesting too.

Men, same thing.

In 2018, the Journal of American Urology updated their testosterone guidelines

and it flipped everything on its head because people think, well, if you start hormone therapy, you're going to increase your risk of cardiovascular disease, heart attack, stroke,

an embolism,

a DVT, what have you, some kind of clotting event.

It turns out that they dispelled all of those myths

for men.

And I have to think it's the same thing with women, because in women, there are certain ratios of hormones that have to be maintained.

Or number one, you guys go nuts.

So aren't you?

Oh, yeah.

I'll pay for the hormone.

Let me get out of here.

I'll pay for the hormone therapy.

You know, there are certain ratios that have to be maintained.

And I think there's a real paucity of understanding in in the community for non-obgyns that don't actually specialize in in in female hormones where you just look at this panel and you're like well everything's in range right um but in range for a woman could be 17 for estrogen it could be 410 for estrogen um i mean you have that much of a range so Where do they start?

Do you recommend

Dutch tests?

Do you recommend basic female hormone panel?

You can start with a basic female hormone panel and work with the right practitioner who can read that and say, because also functional doctors have tighter ranges.

General practitioners have really big ranges because they're not looking at healthy, optimized people.

Yeah, just want you to not be diseased.

Correct.

And so the range is so wide.

I think you should pair yourself.

I really think it comes down to starting with the right practitioner, whether you do a just, just or you can do a general, like, you know, kind of test and test your levels, and then they can put you on a protocol.

Okay.

What do you have to do to remove toxins from your body?

I'm a big fan of body bio PC, which we spoke about earlier.

And so a lot of us, like you said, in your personal journey, are rocking around like a toxic soup and don't even realize it.

We're like, we're doing all these biohacks and these gadgets.

Why is it not working?

Well, it's just because of our environment is so toxic.

You have chemtrails in the sky.

Your water is, you know, there's so much going on.

Our soil doesn't have minerals in it anymore.

So true.

And so it's like, start steady and slow, clean out your body, figure out your inflammation levels, and then go on the fertility journey.

Don't even, don't, don't fire that gun before you're even ready because you're only going to end up with a lot, a lot of disappointment and because every month when you're doing these rounds of IVF you're like oh I might be getting an embryo out of this one and getting it

but if you don't have strong eggs how are you going to create strong embryos right and 50 of infertility is caused by men And they don't talk about that enough either because men are 50% of the problem.

And a lot of clinics are not testing men.

So the thing should be you go in for a fertility checkup, the husband and the wife both has to be tested at the same time.

So then you can start your journey together the way kind of we did.

I mean, I think that's that's better for the relationship anyway, that you're on that journey together.

I mean,

probably nothing more important that you're going to do is do it together, right?

Yeah, than have a child.

How about on the male side?

You know, what, what does male preparation look like for men?

I think losing a lot of like vescal body fat because men also, listen, men have a 24-hour hormone cycle.

Women have like a full month, right?

So getting your body kind of really not inflamed, gaining more muscle mass.

The more muscle mass you have, the more testosterone you'll have, right?

So eating more.

The better you look.

Yeah, the better you look, but also the better you feel.

But a lot of men are also really low on testosterone and their bodies are not firing correctly.

Well, they're not lifting enough weights.

They're not eating enough red meat.

And this whole fear around red meat, guys, I just want to correct this.

High quality red meat is actually incredible for you.

It's all about sourcing.

And people have actually done research and studies to show if it's pasture raised, pasture finished, and you know the farm it's coming from, it actually reduces inflammation in the body, which is completely opposite of what we were taught.

Wow.

That is so true.

I mean, we've been taught to fear meat, to fear all kinds of things because they're causing these massive inflammatory responses in the body.

And then putting going on the right supplements.

So vitamin D is really, really important also to sperm health, which is a big thing.

I put my husband on NMN as well.

I see.

Yeah, we're both on it.

We take a brand called Wonderfield, and I just, it's actually one of Mark Hyman's favorite NMN companies.

And I'll tell you why.

Dosage matters no matter what product you're taking.

The dose has to be right.

These guys are doing 900 milligrams of NMN, which is incredible.

It's the highest form on the market.

It's actually one of the cleanest.

And they have other antioxidants mixed in their formulas called Wonder Feel Younger.

And what I love about it is you're getting also your daily dose of vitamin D.

Less is more.

Yeah.

Right.

So I got him on all this protocol.

We cleaned out his inflammation levels.

We fixed his gut health.

His gut health was not as bad as mine.

And I'm surprised because I feel like I live a lot cleaner in some ways.

And I'm doing so much more.

But his levels got adjusted.

We put him on this really tight, rigorous diet protocol, really increased his red meat intake.

You'd be surprised by that.

We introduced raw dairy, raw butter into our house, and it really helped clean up our gut overall and got his levels to be better.

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Man, I mean, it's amazing to me.

And before the podcast, too, we were talking about the increase in mitochondrial density.

And I want to go down the mitochondria

band road for a moment because

aging and cellular health are highly dependent on our mitochondrial function.

It's the battery house of the cell, the battery for the entire body, produces something called ATP, adenosine triphosphate, which powers an enormous variety of cellular structures where we would essentially be dead

without it.

And when you're caring for the

eggs,

then you also are caring for the mitochondria.

And what are some things that, you know, men and women, I guess, both, could do to improve their mitochondrial health?

So one of the things is removing toxin.

The second is hyperbaric chamber.

That's one of the things.

Good.

My fertility doctor literally said that when you're trying and it's your time for conception and whether you do IVF or not, you need to do every other day hyperbaric chamber for 90 minutes.

What does that do?

It fuels your mitochondria by flooding it with oxygen and gets you firing.

And as we age, obviously ATB production comes down, ATP production comes down, less mitochondrial energy to go around.

So it's the right supplementation and then doing things like getting in the right foods, getting in right oxygen supply, really making sure your body is a vessel.

It's cleaned up.

Yeah, I totally agree with that.

You know, very often I think we overlook that cellular energy component that you can cater to with

exercise diet,

red light therapy, hyperbarics.

And

hyperbaric medicine in particular,

I'm halfway through the book, Hyperbaric Medicine Right Now, by Dr.

Sauners.

There are chapters in there on mitochondrial density.

And what's astounding to me is that you can actually change the number of mitochondria in your cell over time.

Absolutely.

I just never, I mean, as far down the physiologic bandroad as I've been, I've never realized that you can, I've understood that you can improve their condition.

You can actually improve their function.

So you might be able to upstage them from staying out of the anaerobic cycle to ATP and to the aerobic cycle, 36 ATP.

But the fact that you can actually increase the number of mitochondria to me brings you back to your original point, which is the antithesis of aging.

Youthful

biomes have

a higher proliferation of mitochondria.

In fact, I just got my glycan age test back.

I was so excited.

I'm 54, so

I'm in my mid-20s now.

I think I yelled at coming into my unit today.

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That's amazing.

One of the other things they didn't talk about is eating enough healthy fats.

And I want to talk about that.

So So we were told in the 70s and 80s, fat is bad for you.

Fat is bad for you.

It is the devil.

It's actually the opposite.

If you're trying to conceive whether you're a man or a woman, you need to be taking in enough healthy fats.

So omega-3, omega-6 ratio is extremely important.

Taking it other ways through polyphenols, avocado, whatever you may do, but you need to have enough fats.

And if you eat...

high-quality protein and enough fats, it's actually not only will you look and feel better, but it's great for your fertility overall.

Yeah.

You know, I wonder if you might even talk about this PK protocol because you've done it yes um and pk stands for the woman yeah the woman who found it so yeah body bio is a company i'm passionate they're one of my clients as well but

uh so everybody's getting love from you today they're loving it no but so body bio started about 30 years ago for by a guy called ed kaine and ed kaine was married to this woman called pratricia kane and when they started the company um they came up with this whole thing about pc and how pc is essentially what fossotetylcholine is so you have your cell and you have your cell membrane around it and the the gushy part of the cell membrane should be nice and gooey, and it should be able to be bouncy, right?

With the levels of toxins, seed oils, the water we're drinking, all of that stuff, it's eroding our cell membrane.

So, when our cell membrane is not healthy, pollutants can get in.

We're tired, we're exhausted.

So, no matter what supplements, what you put into it, if your cells can't hold it in and stay healthy, then that's it, right?

You, it's all about cellular health, that's where really it starts.

And so, they came up with this thing called the PK protocol, which is actually like lipid replacement therapy.

It's all about lipid therapy.

And what it does is there are these really intense IVs that go into you and they can be, it's a fossatetylcholine, sodium butyrate, other things that are mixed in, depending on the.

You literally did one this morning.

Yeah, we spoke about it.

Right.

And it completely deep cleans your insides.

It actually, sometimes it can be really uncomfortable.

I don't know if you've had one of those reactions, like a ERCS reaction where

I have.

And it was.

Super deeply uncomfortable, but it's incredible for resetting your mitochondrial health, getting your cells, you know, obviously firing.

And then also things like mold or autoimmune disease.

People who have chronic Lyme, they have put these people on these protocol or autism and ADHD and completely reversed the signs and symptoms.

Wow, autism and ADHD, autism and ADHD, especially with children, because a lot of times they have a methylation problem and other things going on.

So when you get in there and you get into cellular health, it cleans out those levels.

And people who are non-verbal, literally, kids will start being verbal again.

Wow.

They're moms who put their kids on PC, the liquid PC.

And let's say these are real case studies

the company and they people have come to them and say hey my kid is nonverbal I don't know what to do but they're like put a little bit of PC even on their wrist if they don't want to drink it put it on their PC and they've seen a complete reverse in their autism symptoms

you know I got some interesting questions in from my audience which we're going to get to in my VIP group but there's one here that's

you know, particularly of interest.

I want to read it before we go over to the VIP.

It says, what type of nutrition do you recommend for helping detox mold and parasite infections from your system?

Keto and paleo.

Wow.

Love that.

Cleaner you eat, less complicated.

Body can break down the food.

It can process it and get it out.

So people who tend to be more paleo and keto will see that they're less inflamed, less bloated, and they actually have regular bowel movements as well.

When you're working with mold and parasites, you need to have regular bowel movements to cycle everything out.

Yeah.

And then are you a fan of activating your natural detox pathways like sauna?

Sauna is incredible.

I definitely recommend a lymphatic drainage.

And big thing, guys, when you're you're doing any parasite work, you need to do a lot of like coffee enemas and colonics.

They're really, really big.

And so I, for example, do this pharmaceutical grade with my doctor, parasite cleanse.

She gives you four different pharmaceutical drugs.

Over a course of a week, you take them and you pair it with the colonics and the coffee enemas, and you literally see.

What is this?

Like an ivermectin, fenbendazole.

Yeah.

Some all of that difference.

Yeah.

It's mixed in depending on what you need.

And she tests you for that.

And then you pair it.

And then you're not obviously supposed to eat certain things.

And they allow you to obviously eat clean, high-quality meat is a big part of it.

Right.

Don't eat processed food, do not have sugar because sugar will completely get the parasites actually firing.

You'll feel even worse.

You'll have the Herx reaction.

So that's the best way to avoid it.

Yeah, Candida, too.

Yeah, Candida is a big part of it.

I totally agree with that because you're talking a lot about having couples, especially that are trying to conceive, go on this journey together.

And how important is it that they do this together rather than

separately?

energetically if you just think about the thought of starting a family and bringing a child into this world you have to be on the same page and this is such a connective process because from day one you're like we're one team we're gonna we're gonna birth a human together we're gonna birth a human we're gonna birth a human we're gonna bring a life into this world so are our intentions matched?

Are we going to be able to be on the same page?

Are we going to be able, yes, everybody will have get frustrations and stuff, but are we able to do something for the better of a soul that we're going to bring into the world versus putting ourselves first?

So I think from an energetic perspective, I'm extremely spiritual and believe deeply in God and faith.

You're sending the right signal to that soul that we're ready to receive you and we're going to do the best job that we can.

I think it's, you know, I always go back to the longevity research when it talks about sense of community and purpose and how none of the centenarians

in any of those regions lacked sense of community and purpose.

And I think community and purpose isn't just, I know exactly what I want to do in life and I love all my friends.

Like, you know, I have the coolest tribe.

Community is just a sense of belonging to something.

And purpose is like, my life has meaning beyond just what I'm doing on a daily basis.

What I found really fascinating, I did this a few years ago, and it was very sobering for me, was

I wrote my eulogy virtues.

And instead of your resume virtues,

it's very intense and it's very introspective.

But what it will do is it will rattle you.

It sort of shakes you out of the

present moment and makes you really think about what do I want my life to mean?

And it makes you look at your relationships.

It makes you look at your

career, whether or not you're wasting time with something that you actually really don't love and it's not serving you.

And, you know, especially with a journey as intimate as, you know,

bringing a human into this world,

I just found it was a major shift for me.

My wife and I built a business together and we read this book called Rocket Fuel and it helped our relationship a lot because it taught us the difference between an integrator and

a visionary.

And I was the visionary, she was the integrator.

But this exercise of going through

your

own eulogy helps you really craft this vision of

what do I want to leave behind?

And am I living the life that I want to live to get to that destination?

It was really a powerful thing for us.

And, you know, especially with something as intimate, like I say, as fertility, I think people will find it powerful.

And I'll add on to that, if you just look at conception as a whole, right?

Couples share each other's microbiome.

So if you're not both working on yourselves, right, You're having this exchange going forward, you share your microbiome with your partner that you live with.

When you also conceive a child, you inherit the mitochondria from the mother, but you also inherit so much stuff from the father.

So, it's very important for both people to be in the same place.

So, you're setting your child up for success.

It's really thinking about the life that you're about to bring into the world and setting them up for success in every way, shape, possible.

Yeah.

You know, and there's a lot of data now showing two things.

Number one,

younger females, prepubescent children, I call them children,

are entering their menstrual cycles earlier.

And there is a trend towards older women entering the menopause cycle

much earlier, sometimes

even 10 years earlier than what you expect.

Well, I was one of them almost.

I was going into menopause.

I was perimenopause.

Yeah.

And what do you think is the cause of this?

I mean, why are we seeing menstruation beginning in an earlier age and

menopause also beginning at an earlier age, which to me is

age reversal.

It's three things.

Chronic inflammation, number one, first and foremost, environmental toxin overload in your body the way that you can't clean it out.

So your cells are not getting what it needs to support to do the cleanup process, and unregulated insulin levels.

Three things that are causing you and forcing you to go into menopause sooner.

So that's why I'm so pushy to say, guys, if you're going to start a fertility journey, you need to look at your body and and how are you actually aging and look at all the longevity markers because they will tell you the longevity markers are going to tell you your overall health picture and it will tell you the picture of health for your fertility.

Yeah, I totally agree with that.

And again, getting back to sometimes it's the simplest things that you can do that have the most dramatic change.

You know, I always tell people to draw their attention to their sleep, to their morning routine.

But a couple that's going on this journey together, I mean, this, this, this not only will improve their chances of conceiving,

possibly even set them up for extending their lives.

And at the end of the day, you have to remember that what you put into this journey is a byproduct of what you're going to get, right?

So the cleaner you are, the healthier pregnancy is going to be, the healthier the embryos you're going to create, the healthier your child will be, right?

So there's just so much that goes into and why you look at what we said earlier about cultures in the East that take a year to prep because they're really intentionally going into this process.

Yeah.

And a child will have less health issues later, the healthier their parents parents are.

Yeah.

You know, it seems like Greece is leading

fertility

in ovarian research.

Yeah.

So can you talk a little bit like what are they?

So they were the guys who originally started the research around PRP and umbilical cord stem cells for the ovaries.

And they built these cohorts of women.

They gave them, so they had women who were menopausal and they did the PRP and the stem cells for the ovaries and saw these women come out of menopause and stay that way.

Are these PRP injections?

into the ovary?

So what they do is

they no, no, no, no, no.

They go in through your vagina essentially with an ultrasound machine.

And not everybody, by the way, if you're listening to this and somebody's promising you PRP, the way you inject on the ovary is very important.

You need to know the right sites to do.

You need to know just the length of the needle even really matters.

So what they do is they kind of give you light sedation if you want, if you're a little queasy, and they go in through your vagina, they go in with an ultrasound machine, and they look at it, and then they basically go in and inject both your ovaries.

They inject through the ovaries.

Yeah, they inject your ovaries.

And what they've seen is within 90 days, it takes about 90 days to take effect.

Women who were doing STEM PRP for the ovaries and then going around for a round of IVF were seeing better results.

They're creating more follicles, therefore having more embryos being created for men, healthier embryos were coming out.

So there's that research when it comes and they were having live, higher live birth rates.

The reverse of it was women had gone into menopause.

It was taking them out of early menopause and raising their ovarian reserve as well.

Wow, so there's a lot of good things that are coming out of it.

Same thing with the umbilical cord stem cells that they do.

Now, they are FDA approved in America, but they're not letting you do that over here.

Other countries, like I went to the Bahamas to do mine with a doctor that's based in the U.S.

And he is basically you go to him, you have low ovarian reserve, or you've gone into menopause earlier, but you want to go through a fertility journey.

He tells you, do this with me, and you might not even need IVF because the guy is so committed to helping women.

So, he's taking menopausal women

and putting them back into being fertile.

Yes.

To the point where they can conceive.

Conceive.

One of these two doctors that I'm kind of seeing, one of their oldest patients to have a live birth was 47 years old,

where she, you know, 47, they're like, what do you mean?

She went into these treatments, came out of it, conceived, and gave birth naturally and had a really healthy pregnancy at 47 and gave birth actually at 48.

So she can see at 47, gave birth at 48.

I know that the platelet plasma is available in the U.S.

I imagine that that's probably disappearing.

Yes, yeah, you can do that here.

You're talking about the mesenchymal stem cells.

Yes.

And we can use

because I'm associated with the NFL Alumni Association Athletica.

We see a lot of those folks that have repetitive use injuries.

So I know that we do stem cells into joints, knees, hips, shoulders, rotator cough.

Topically, we use a cosmetic hair restoration.

Systemically, you have to leave the country.

But even for these, are these stem cell injections intravenous?

No, they're also, no, they're actually going onto your ovaries.

So again, they're sedating you.

You're going under for 10, 15 minutes.

And again, they're doing an ultrasound machine.

Basically, they're going in and they're injecting your actual ovary.

So they're giving your actual ovaries the stem cells.

Yes, you can put it in your, in an IV, but it's going to go all over your body.

Right.

This is very intentional to do it for, you know, creating more follicles, creating a higher egg count and taking you out of menopause and giving you a better chance at fertility.

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Yeah.

You know, we've talked a lot about

fertility on my previous podcast, and I really appreciate you sharing this.

A lot of what I believe goes overlooked by women is their methylation cycle, too, and the

importance of not taking folic acid, but taking things like folinic acid, methyl folate.

Interestingly, a a lot of women are also using these lipid IV therapies prior to pregnancy with pretty impressive results.

My former

clinic director was a board-certified OBGYN.

Dr.

Sarter's amazing woman.

And

there were times where, you know, young, healthy women were doing these lipids.

That's what I'm doing.

Yeah.

You are too?

Yeah, yeah.

That's what the PK protocol is, essentially, right?

I want you to

explain it because I just started this PK protocol too.

And

interestingly, you know, as like I say, as woke to wellness, whatever you want to call it, as I am, I was, first I was shocked when I did this

wellness test.

And I found the level of toxicity from bisphenols and from all of these other things in my blood.

And I've done several treatments, EBO2, to get that out.

But then I did this.

lipid metabolism and the

cell wall test and looking at the integrity of my cell walls, looking at this phospholipid bilayer, looking at its capacity to shuttle nutrients in and out.

And it certainly wasn't a disaster, but I just sort of expected to go through the motions and then come back and say, there's nothing you can do for you.

And then you're shocked at the level 20 test.

You're shocked.

So can you talk a little bit about this?

protocol and what it means because i i think it's not just applicable to fertility i think it's just overall longevity yeah overall it goes back to the longevity conversation right so lipid replacement therapy, if your cells are not functioning correctly, nothing really in your body can function well.

So, lipid replacement therapy literally takes your cell wall, re-fortifies it, pulls out any toxins, any mold, any glyphosate levels, anything sitting in there, cleans it up, and re-fortifies it.

The stronger your cell wall is, the less toxins can break through it.

The healthier you're going to feel, the better you're going to run.

Your mitochondria will be better.

You will not have brain fog.

You'll have more energy.

You'll have better quality sleep.

And lipids, essentially, you need high, you need a certain amount of lipids if you're going to carry a child and conceive.

So lipid replacement therapy, also preconception is incredible for babies' brain development and embryo development.

You know, I, I love the concept of women thinking about fertility as, you know, a long game and maybe prepping their bodies a year, a year out from now.

My chief operating officer for the ultimate human is pregnant right now, and she's super healthy and she's super conscious of it.

Now, now that first she was worried worried about getting pregnant, now she's pregnant.

Now she's worried about having to do that.

Now she's worried about vaccines.

So it just

never ends.

The ball

moves, but I think there's at least a lot of good information out there.

And so

you're on this journey.

You're sharing the journey.

Have you noticed,

what have you noticed on this BK protocol?

What did you see in your labs?

How did you feel?

Conscientiously.

Yeah.

So I have.

And is it an ongoing thing?

It is.

So I'm not fully done with my protocol yet.

So prior to me starting, before I started, I got all my testing done pretty much like you have.

I used vibrant labs and I used a company called Mosaic.

It's another really big testing company.

Is that urine?

Mosaic, yeah.

Urine and blood.

They do both.

They mix it.

And

prior to that, I did this thing out of Europe called the IGL test, which now that lab has shut down.

So Mosaic has kind of stepped in.

And they check.

Yeah, yeah.

They check for every single heavy metal, pesticide, herbicide in your body, make a full chart of everything.

And it was really interesting from when I started the PK protocol, started the PCIVs, started the microbiome IVs, did a round of Eboo.

And at the time, like this is why I've looked at my fertility through a lens of longevity, right?

My body wasn't firing correctly.

It was not producing hormones correctly.

I was starting to have hot flashes.

I'm like, things are falling apart.

Like this house is falling apart before this is even getting going.

And I was like, wait, let me fix this.

So removing the toxins, getting it to that place, my markers just came back.

I am so clean.

There were only two tests that came back.

It was a little bit of mold exposure that I have to figure out where it's coming from now.

And I think it was one more marker that was off.

So I have the actual science.

I have the two tests to compare next to each other.

And so you do that, right?

You clean out your body.

You're removing levels of inflammation in your body.

My mitochondria started firing better.

I still have insulin sensitivity, but it's improved drastically.

I'm not feeling chronically inflamed.

Gary, I shrunk.

I'm already a little girl.

Like I'm not in every bake, but I was carrying so much inflammation.

I literally loved water.

I was poofy.

And I didn't realize, but my face shrunk, my body shrunk.

And I was like, wow, this stuff actually works.

My gut is firing correctly.

I'm reducing the inflammation.

My body feels better.

It's being supported through the, you know, methylation process, drainage.

Everything's working again.

Then I went on the hormone replacement therapy.

Then I did the stem cells and the PRP for the ovaries.

It's been a sequence of things, you know?

Yeah.

And you see it, just your body alone will shrink with inflammation.

You can just tell.

Yeah.

And you're kind of like beaming with energy.

So that's good.

You can't be like that when you've got all that doctors.

No, because if you don't feel good, you can't think straight if you can't think straight you don't feel good how are you planning to carry a pregnancy yeah that's what i women should be at their best and healthiest in their body in their mind when they conceive is that ideal yes that's ideal because then you can really set up the tone and intention with which you're going to carry a baby yeah um you know what i'm going to do i'm going to link a lot of these um yeah uh into the show notes because i i know there's going to be a lot of curiosity in this.

We're going to shift over to the next part of the podcast.

I have a VIP community that

I leak the the guests that are coming on my podcast to, and they are so excited for you.

They have a whole list of questions for you.

But before we jump to this next part,

if you're interested in becoming a VIP, you can just go over to theultimatehuman.com forward slash VIP.

You can sign up to via one of my VIPs.

We're going to do live Q ⁇ As.

We do challenges.

We do private podcasts, which we're about to do with Iman.

So join my VIP community.

I promise you it's the best $97 a month you've ever spent.

But, you know, before I end each podcast,

I ask all my guests the same question.

And there's no right or wrong answer to this question.

If you've seen the podcast, you know that it's coming.

What does it mean to you to be an Ultimate Human?

To operate with purpose and integrity.

Wow.

At all things.

At all and concise.

Everything in my life.

Whether it's the supplements I take, the people I interact with, what I do for work, it's purpose and integrity.

If those two things are not aligned, then I'm not operating correctly.

Amon,

amazing.

Thank you so much for coming on the Ultimate Human podcast.

Now that you are my neighbor,

I need to have your husband over so we can do a day of biohacking with Sage and your husband and I and you.

But we're definitely going to do a follow-up to this episode and I'm going to let my audience know how this PK protocol has gone for me and I'll share pre and post testing.

But thank you for coming on the Ultimate Human podcast.

Thank you for giving me a platform to talk about my fertility journey.

And I just want to help as many women as possible because, like we discussed, the fertility industry is only booming, but they're missing so many key things which makes a woman have the best possible outcome, more birth rates, and just live a happier, healthier life.

Where does my audience find you?

So Instagram, it's Iman double underscore Hassan, and they can follow our podcast, BioHack.

Double underscore Hassan.

Yeah, don't ask.

Oh, you did that to yourself.

You know, my team has yet to change it.

They've written to Meta.

They better make this happen.

They're working on it.

We're trying to change the name because somebody has Iman Hassan on Instagram.

And they're not responding to me.

We don't know a lot of Iman Hassan's.

Right?

Somebody from the Middle East has it.

Our podcast is called Biohack It, which I just did a swap for you, and I'm excited to release the episode.

And our agency is called IHC Agency.

IHC Agency.

I'm just going to go there and look at all your clients and do business with all of them.

Thank you so much for coming on the Ultimate Human Podcast.

Thank you so much.

And as always, that's just science.