The Outer Limits: From Outer Space to Spacy Progressives and Protestors

Speaker 1 Hello, and welcome to the Victor Davis Hansen Show. This is our Friday news roundup, and we've got lots of news this week already.
It is actually Tuesday.

Speaker 1 Victor is on the east coast, and so we have a little distance here in our conversation, which is good at times. We're going to be looking at the SpaceX

Speaker 1 capsule coming back with the astronauts in it, a district court judge telling Trump he can't deport trendway killers, and Trump hitting the Houthis in the Red Sea, and then Israel back at war.

Speaker 1 So stay with us, and we'll be right back.

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So So please come join us. So Victor, the SpaceX

Speaker 1 has their dragon, their capsule that's called Dragon Coming Back, and astronauts are on it. And it seems like it should be big news everywhere, all over the place, but we don't see that happening.

Speaker 1 And I thought, I was wondering your thoughts on the

Speaker 2 left-wing media would rather beat this Khalil story to death, even though they're losing adherents, because most of the polls show that that no one wants somebody in the United States on a student visa who was a prime organizer of this Columbia apartheid de Vest that was responsible for two break-ins into areas of Columbia and Barnard and committed violence, intimidated Jewish students, and

Speaker 2 without apology and with pride bragged on October 7th as a glorious day. That's what Mr.
Khalil did. He knows it.
Everybody knows it. So they're dying on that hill.

Speaker 2 Meanwhile, there's a story that if this story had taken place four years ago, let's just imagine that, say in 2021, Biden has been inaugurated.

Speaker 2 Elon Musk said on the Joe, to Tucker Carlson, I think, or might have been Joe Wilgin, but I believe it was Tucker Carlson, that he voted for Joe Biden. We know that he voted for Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 2 But I think at the time Trump said, no, he didn't really. He just said that.

Speaker 2 But whatever he did, my point is if this was four years ago and there were astronauts that had not come home from the Trump administration,

Speaker 2 and maybe there were rumors circulating that Trump didn't want to risk it right before the election or something or in a campaign cycle. Or he was mad at Elon Musk and didn't want to privilege him.

Speaker 2 Whatever the reason, and these are the rumors that are circulating, some of them coming home from the astronauts themselves.

Speaker 2 They originate within that they feel a great deal of gratitude for Musk and Trump, but not so much for Joe Biden. The left would be going crazy right now.

Speaker 2 They would be talking, as they had for a decade, that Elon Musk is, I think in Brian Williams' terms,

Speaker 2 a Newton, a Renaissance person, a da Vinci.

Speaker 2 And they would say, how could this be possible?

Speaker 2 Boeing couldn't do it, NASA couldn't do it, it sends up this rocket, it rescues these people.

Speaker 2 The capsule had been inert. Now it's activated.
They're on their way home. This is a wonder and nothing, nothing.

Speaker 2 In fact, as you saw on MSNBC with Simone Sanders and

Speaker 2 a couple of other people there, they were almost

Speaker 2 gleeful when that SpaceX rocket that was an experimental blew up and they thought that was funny and neat. These people are very ill.
They really are.

Speaker 2 And with the simultaneous attack on Tesla chargers, on keying Tesla cars, on burning

Speaker 2 dealerships, if this had been some kind of right-wing group, we saw what happened on January 6th. They would be in prison right now for this.
They would be charged with Wico statutes of conspiracy.

Speaker 2 But the left is completely deranged. It really is.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so I don't know what their feeling is. I feel

Speaker 2 very awkward because I feel that given they've cheered on a prior SpaceX

Speaker 2 that blew up and laughed about it, and then I think Rachel Maddow and others said, Oh, ha ha, you better concentrate on business. I don't know what their attitude is.

Speaker 2 I hope they would not want this to fail given human life and the astronauts that are on it, but they're capable of anything right now. They really are.

Speaker 2 And it's going to,

Speaker 2 it's very strange because their party is is polling now 28 to 32 percent, depending on the poll. And we all know it's because it's so nihilistic and radical.
AOC,

Speaker 2 who's untenable as a candidate on a national level, is their highest-ranking public figure.

Speaker 2 And yet when you poll Democrats, they want to double down on the very positions that are making them unpopular. They don't think it's because they're too radical.

Speaker 2 The Democratic Party, the majority, thinks they haven't done enough radicalism.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 1 yeah, it's getting really crazy with the Democrats.

Speaker 1 It seems to me that their parties must be headed to oblivion.

Speaker 1 I just keep expecting somebody to start a new party for all of those Democrats that are disenchanted with their current parties.

Speaker 2 Everything is upside down. I mean, I'm here in a hotel room in Palm Beach.
I'm sorry about my voice. It's been almost two weeks since I got the flu.

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 it doesn't look very good here, the curtain and everything, but it works. But yesterday, Adam Schiff was a guest at my own Hoover Institution.
I understand that

Speaker 2 we're a nonprofit and we have to be disinterested in terms of our guest, and he is our U.S. Senator from California, but

Speaker 2 everything that he has done is antithetical to the mission statement of the Hoover Institution of limited government, personal freedom, free market economy. But

Speaker 2 that campus, Stanford, and there's also protests going on, of course, for Mr. Khalil.

Speaker 2 They've learned nothing and forgotten nothing. They don't realize that that led to illegal encampments.
That led to storming the president's office and ransacking it. That led to

Speaker 2 defacing iconic historic sandstone colonnades at campus. And yet here we are again.

Speaker 2 and the sheer hatred of Donald Trump has from people that I like and respect it's just crazy it really is Adam Schiff came to the Hoover Institution basically to say that Donald Trump was a tyrant an autocrat and powering oligarchy and that we have to

Speaker 2 bring in more people like Mr. Khalil

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 nothing, all of our reference are gone. They really are.
There's nothing, nothing nothing can be counted on because of this period of revolution and counter-revolution.

Speaker 1 Do you notice anything different on the Stanford campus with the protests this time around since you have a different president at Stanford right now?

Speaker 2 Yes, there is. And there's two things going on.

Speaker 2 Mr. Levin is the former dean of the business school.
And he had a reputation of being a

Speaker 2 normal liberal.

Speaker 2 And two,

Speaker 2 there are people who are aware that you can be deported if you're on a student visa and you're actively promoting

Speaker 2 State Department-designated terrorist organizations. That said,

Speaker 2 I think the university, I think they had walkouts in many of the classes. There's not going to be any consequences for that.

Speaker 2 I would just say to all of these Stanford students that are not majoring in coding or computer engineering or physics or math,

Speaker 2 you're not going to get a job because not just the economy is changing, but when you've had four years of no SAT required until this year and no comparative rankings of GPAs and 80% of you are getting A's, That has filtered out to Silicon Valley and to employers at a sociology degree, a gender studies degree, even even a history degree.

Speaker 2 These are not competitive degrees anymore. They do not guarantee analytical thinking, computation, English, spoken, and oral prose.

Speaker 2 Nobody trusts that degree. And that's true of these other campuses.
And when you factor in as well,

Speaker 2 that if Stanford can't charge its 55%

Speaker 2 I don't know where they came up with that outrageous figure on individual grants or team grants from the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health, they're going to lose about 80, 180 million.

Speaker 2 If this Senate House reconciliation bill on taxing endowments should go through and they tax the income on endowments at about 15%,

Speaker 2 then they're going to lose totally about $400 million. And that would mean there'd be a, I mean, they have a $30 billion endowment.

Speaker 2 I don't know why they need any federal monies, but they would lose half a billion dollars per year, and that might suggest that they don't need 15,000 administrative staff, one for each student.

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Speaker 1 turning to our other subject, the big subject this week is Donald Trump deporting trend to Arague mostly. So lots of of killers and rapists and

Speaker 1 child molesters, etc.

Speaker 1 back into

Speaker 1 I think he's sending them to El Salvador, if I'm not correct. The guy has

Speaker 1 agreed to take them into that

Speaker 1 new fashioned modern prison he has there. And so I was wondering your thoughts on this district court judge trying to stop that in mid-air.

Speaker 2 Well, there's hundreds of district judges that were appointed by Barack Obama and

Speaker 2 Joe Biden. And remember, they were appointed and they were trained in law school

Speaker 2 in what we call critical legal theory.

Speaker 2 And critical legal theory suggests that the laws strict adherence to the laws empowers a particular privileged group of people, usually considered white, male, heterosexual, wealthy.

Speaker 2 And therefore, critical legal theory says that the entire

Speaker 2 jurisprudence as we know it is biased. So therefore, it is incumbent upon a judge to reinterpret the laws so that

Speaker 2 they favor the people who were the victims in this Marxist binary of victimizer victim. So in this way of thinking,

Speaker 2 There is a statute that says that it is a criminal offense, not a civil offense, to enter the United States illegally.

Speaker 2 So these people have not only entered the United States illegally and not only have resided here illegally, but they have also been members of a very dangerous gang and it's got blood on its hands of American citizens.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 there should have been no problem just saying, you know what, we're not singling you out.

Speaker 2 You're just part of a criminal enterprise and you came under Joe Biden illegally, so we're returning to you to your country of origin. So then what happens is these

Speaker 2 NGO, if I could use that word, non-government organizations, foundation supplied funded groups, so-called non-profits, they get together and they have a list of all of the critical legal theory liberal justices.

Speaker 2 and they know on their computers exactly what their rulings are on their scales of liberal jurisprudence. So then they pick that particular judge and then they sue and he puts a restraining order.

Speaker 2 He knows it will be either overturned at the appellate

Speaker 2 federal appellate court or it will be overturned at the Supreme Court, but that's not the point. The point is that they can obstruct for three, four, five, six months.
Then the left goes in

Speaker 2 into hysterical mood and says that this is a constitutional crisis because the judge have had to stop this autocrat Donald Trump when they don't realize that if you read the Constitution and the powers reserved for the executive branch, there was never any idea that isolated judges could be cherry-picked to stop an elected president from following the law and enforcing the law.

Speaker 2 But that's where we are. And so they're going to have to get another

Speaker 2 court and then as soon as this is resolved, they'll go down to another federal court jurisdiction and they will sue again.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 that's how this system works now. And the left

Speaker 2 counts on the idea that the foundations, the Network News, New York Times, even the Wall Street Journal, now to be frank, the Chicago Tribune, all of these outlets will then voice that Donald Trump is acting capriciously,

Speaker 2 he's

Speaker 2 overstepping his legal prerogatives, etc., and then that will help denigrate him and lose public support.

Speaker 2 They're looking for the critical mass, in other words. They feel that if they can make Mr.

Speaker 2 Khalil a civil liberties champion fighting against genocide and not an advocate of the murders on October 7th and somebody whose organization that he defends and promotes said it wants to destroy Western civilization.

Speaker 2 They can make him a martyr and show that he was a victim of Trump vindictiveness, or if they can make

Speaker 2 this

Speaker 2 gang a victim,

Speaker 2 or if they can say that Canada hates our guts now, or Mexico is noble and

Speaker 2 is a victim of our aggression, or we want to invade Panama and Greenland, if they can do all of that.

Speaker 2 They feel each is one little nick with a knife and they can bleed the Trump administration out.

Speaker 2 In opposition to that, or as a remedy of that, they have to be very careful of the Trump things. They have to keep their eyes on the prizes.
There's only about four or five things they need to do.

Speaker 2 And number one, as they've done most of it, is close the border. And then keep,

Speaker 2 that is a win-win situation. Everybody likes that.
They want the people here illegally deported. If they can just keep on that, that'll be a big significant gain.

Speaker 2 Number two is they want to cut government. Everybody does.
But they want to make sure that there's no zest, there's no relishing, there's no triumphalism, chauvinism in laying people off.

Speaker 2 So they want a tragic approach to it. They want Elon Musk and his team and the individual cabinet heads to say things like, I don't want to lay people off.

Speaker 2 I don't enjoy it. But these people were hired with borrowed money, and many of them are political, and

Speaker 2 they're antithetical to good government. And presidents as diverse as Joe Biden and Barack Obama have warned us about corruption and waste and fraud and abuse in government.
So they need to do that.

Speaker 2 They need to get close to three, to balancing the budget. No one's ever got close in a quarter of a century.
And if they can

Speaker 2 bring some money in from the tariffs, bring some money on their new fast-track citizenship program, bring some money in by expanding the economy with deregulation.

Speaker 2 And at the same time, they can cut this trillion dollars and get close.

Speaker 2 They won't balance the budget for two or three years if they're lucky. But if they can get close, lower the interest rate, so we're not paying $3 billion a year in interest, then that's a big thing.

Speaker 2 And then finally, if he can bring some kind of moral clarity abroad and get a ceasefire with Ukraine and Russia that does not favor Putin,

Speaker 2 then he will be in the driver's seat. All the rest of it doesn't matter.
So what I'm getting at is the left is looking for irrelevancies.

Speaker 2 I'll give you a couple. Joe Biden didn't know where he was.
We all know that. He used an auto pin, not he, somebody was signing these orders.

Speaker 2 But when Trump said we want to negate these orders because they were all signed by autopin, well, that's just a losing proposition.

Speaker 2 You have to go to court and prove that he wasn't there, or he was just going to say that he was there, but he had so many.

Speaker 2 That is a rabbit hole you don't want to go through. And the same thing about, we all understand the trolling and the art of the deal.

Speaker 2 You don't want to talk about 51 state of Canada for any other reason. But one of the chief is no one in America wants Canada to be a 51st state.
They really don't.

Speaker 2 It's a left-wing political organization, the whole state. And it's state-run.
It's

Speaker 2 got a chip on its shoulder about America, it knows what it's doing.

Speaker 2 We're much better just to smile and say, please, we don't want to have a tariff against you, but why are you running up $63 trillion? Why didn't you just close a border?

Speaker 2 Why don't you spend 2% of your...

Speaker 2 That is a much healthier. Same thing with Panama.
We think we want to congratulate Panama. They allowed American companies to reassume control of

Speaker 2 cargo ports at the entry and exit. We never were going to invade Panama.
We don't.

Speaker 2 We're a good friend of Panama, but we had to do something, unfortunately, to remind you that the Chinese have nefarious intent toward the, and the same thing with Greenland.

Speaker 2 I think we've been very successful in pressuring a reassessment of Greenland. We're glad that they had a plebiscite.
They seem to be autonomous. We're here to help if they want more U.S.

Speaker 2 bases or security guarantees. But just cut out the talk about we're going to buy Greenland and all that stuff.
Same thing with Panama, same thing with Canada.

Speaker 2 So all all of those controversial things are periphery, and you want to just kind of say, I didn't want to stage a counter-revolution. They were the radicals.
I'm going back to normalcy.

Speaker 2 But then concentrate border,

Speaker 2 economy,

Speaker 2 deficits, debt,

Speaker 2 foreign policy, and you will be fine because he's making progress in all those areas.

Speaker 1 Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and then come back and talk a little bit about the Middle East. Stay with us.
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So, Victor Trump has fired on the Houthis recently, this weekend. Sorry, bless you.

Speaker 1 And also Israel has renewed its war in Gaza.

Speaker 1 The Gazans, the Hamas, not Gazans, the Hamas hasn't complied with ceasefire and giving back hostages as they agreed to.

Speaker 1 So no surprise that the war started up again, but I was wondering about your thoughts on these new events in the Middle East.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 it's very hard

Speaker 2 to force. I think we have one live hostage left, Americans.
There's some, I don't know what there are, 57 hostages, 56 still of the 260, but most people believe only half of them are alive.

Speaker 2 That's kind of macabre that they're hiding the corpses.

Speaker 2 From the hostages that have been released lately, gosh, they were suffering from all sorts of pre-civilizational diseases, no sunlight, no diet, nothing. They were beaten, they were tortured.

Speaker 2 All these people in Colombia and otherwise that are protesting on their behalf, I mean, if Israel was committing genocide, why are these known terrorists that have killed people treated better by the Israelis than average citizens are by Hamas?

Speaker 2 And it's not just Hamas. I mean,

Speaker 2 as we've seen from the release of the hostages and the public spectacles that they undertake, they have public support from the average Gazan. So the situation is this.

Speaker 2 There's about 25 hostages deep down, from what we can tell from released hostages, deep down in subterranean tunnels, six or seven hundred miles of them all over.

Speaker 2 Maybe half of the tunnels are non-operative, but they're still digging us. Some of the hostages are related.
They dig all the time.

Speaker 2 And most of the surface of Gaza,

Speaker 2 not most, but a considerable amount is rubble.

Speaker 2 So now the Israelis have to go find the second generation leaders of Hamas

Speaker 2 and target them through intelligence and then send in munitions and blow them up. And

Speaker 2 it's going to be very hard to do that. It really is.
There's not that many hostages left. We don't know who, where they are.

Speaker 2 And there's been so much damage to gaza it's going to be hard to find a way to inflict more pain on

Speaker 2 hamas

Speaker 2 and meanwhile the united states is

Speaker 2 you know trying to free up the red sea but nobody wants to use the red sea or the suz canal you think the arab world would be cheering the united states on because egypt's losing millions of dollars every day

Speaker 2 with an inert Suez.

Speaker 2 But that problem with the Houthis will not be... They have so many drones and missiles that they've stockpiled from Iran.
We're trying to find them and blow them up and they're operatives.

Speaker 2 But all of these programs

Speaker 2 that Iran orchestrates, I guess that's the word programs, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis,

Speaker 2 you know, it's like an octopus. You cut off a tentacle, it grows back or something.
But it doesn't... Nothing's going to stop until you focus on Iran.
Now,

Speaker 2 he has put new sanctions on oil sanctions. That's going to really hurt them, really big time.
And maybe you should put a blockade on them.

Speaker 2 But I think he should sanction countries that buy oil from Iran, like China, Russia, North Korea.

Speaker 1 Didn't Trump say that another action on the part of the Houthis would be considered an action by Iran? I thought he said that this week, that he was going to.

Speaker 2 But that's we'll see what that means. Does that mean

Speaker 2 he wants to hit their ports, their oil facilities, their military bases, or does he want to just go after the nuclear facilities? I wrote an article in the New Criteria

Speaker 2 last issue saying that he has to be careful because there's all these MAGA

Speaker 2 paradoxes. MAGA does not want to get involved overseas with optional military engagements.
Not after Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Libya.

Speaker 2 But on the other hand, when he came into office after the Obama years, he had to restore deterrence. So he killed Baghdadi, Solevani, the Wagner group.

Speaker 2 So he's going to have to restore deterrence, and that's going to bother some of the MAGA people

Speaker 2 that he's using force abroad in what they think is an optional manner. And I don't know to where he draws a line, but he's going to have to eliminate some of these enemies of the United States,

Speaker 2 but not do so gleefully or in a manner that's going to have us boots on the ground.

Speaker 2 I think what they'll probably do if the Houthis start sending more missiles or Hezbollah reactivates is he will

Speaker 2 tighten up the sanctions on Iran, maybe have an embargo, maybe even hit some of its port facilities, but allow the Israelis to deal with their nuclear

Speaker 2 facilities. Iran is not in a good position right now.
They have all of their ethnic minorities, the Aberbijanis and the Kurds and others, are open in open defiance. Their infrastructure is shot.

Speaker 2 They have no air defenses. Their missile arsenal is depleted and it's been proven to be ineffective.
So they were kind of a paper tiger. So was Hezbollah.

Speaker 2 And Trump has about a year of open window before they start rearming. And

Speaker 2 so he's in a good position to do whatever he wants. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, let's turn to Europe. And Europe, Europeans have been making noises about, well, we don't really like this Donald Trump administration, so we want to go independent of them.
Maybe, maybe not.

Speaker 1 But I thought what this week,

Speaker 1 a French official said that the United States under Donald Trump does not embody the ideals of the Statue of Liberty, and they would like to have their Statue of Liberty back.

Speaker 1 And I was wondering your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I don't know what to say. I think his name is Mr.
Glucksman. He's an back-benching parliament member of the French government, left-wing, an anti-American many party he belongs to.

Speaker 2 We do this occasionally with France. They were a good ally, but then they get on their hind legs and start to criticize.

Speaker 2 Their basic problem is they think they're Socrates and we're Roman legions, so that they dream walk around in bare feet and robes and dream up all these utopian things. And they point to America.

Speaker 2 This is what you got to do. You know, Ukraine is going to be a EU, NATO, Western

Speaker 2 breadbasket and oil repository of the new Europe, and we're going to bring all of our expertise in socialism and LGBTQ and open borders and Islamic populations into Ukraine and this is going to work.

Speaker 2 And oh, by the way, United States,

Speaker 2 you better arm them and you better give them aid.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I don't know why they make these statements because they have 500 million people.

Speaker 2 If they would just, they have a, even with their socialist governments, they have a

Speaker 2 GDP that's, I don't know what it is, 15 or 16 trillion dollars in aggregate. They have 2,000 military jets, even in their disarmed state.
They have more artillery platforms,

Speaker 2 more

Speaker 2 armored vehicles than do the Russians. I think the men in uniform, even in their depleted state, are about five times larger than Russia's army.

Speaker 2 So all they have to do is they don't even need to talk to us. Instead of just saying, we're going to take this, just say, you know what?

Speaker 2 We don't like you that much anymore we want to be independent of you so we're going to have our huge huge military industrial complex and we're going to have a huge ground army and we're going to be on the threshold of ukraine and you won't negotiate for us in ukraine we are and we're going to arm it and we're going to put five or six hundred F-35s or F-16s or maybe we'll have Swedish planes but our French Mirages, I don't know, but we don't need you.

Speaker 2 Just go do it instead of all this ankle ankle-biding.

Speaker 2 That's our attitude. I think everybody's attitude about Mexico and Canada is all the same.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 U.S. Donald Trump part of the deal.
Yes, Donald Trump says things. Yes, he said he wanted to get out of NATO if the NATO members didn't arm.
Why should he protect? That's just irrelevant.

Speaker 2 What is relevant is Canada. You're running $63 billion,

Speaker 2 and you know why you're doing it. You're doing it through asymmetrical tariffs, and that no one in the past said much.
It's going up, not down.

Speaker 2 Mr. Trudeau thought it was kind of funny not to patrol the border.
Okay, we understand that. You pay 1.36 in defense expenditure, so we know that you're completely defenseless.

Speaker 2 You do not participate in a meaningful way with NATO. And if Russia or China were to violate your airspace, as they did our airspace, the Chinese, you would turn to us.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 all we're asking is don't force us to put tariffs on you like you put tariffs on us. Our whole plan is reciprocity.
You tariff up, we'll find the exact same tariff and put on you.

Speaker 2 And we will defend you and cooperate when you spend 2% as you promised. But you're not keeping your word and you're hostile to the United States.
That's all it has to say.

Speaker 2 No more 50% per state, nothing. With Mexico, it says,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 we know what you're doing. You're letting the Chinese come and assemble parts and some American companies to evade our free trade agreements that we've had in the past.

Speaker 2 You're running not a 20, not a 50, not 100, not 150, 175

Speaker 2 billion dollar deficit. We have with you.
You have a surplus. It's the second largest, third largest deficit after Europe and China.
But you're supposed to be our friends.

Speaker 2 But we know what you're doing. We know that you've deliberately sent 12 million illegals under this non-compost Mintes Biden.
We know they send $63 billion out of our economy.

Speaker 2 We know the people who send the money back are subsidized by our own welfare systems to free up cash.

Speaker 2 We know your cartels import raw fentanyl from China and they have particular industries that create and mask fentanyl-laced drugs.

Speaker 2 And they, between their smuggling charges and drugs, they suck out about 20 billion. So you

Speaker 2 are sucking out of this country about $280 billion.

Speaker 2 Just stop it. Just whatever your tariff is, our tariff will be.

Speaker 2 Whatever, we're going to, if you want to take $63 billion and deliberately send people here, deliberately so, so that they can send money back,

Speaker 2 some of it subsidized by our governments, then we're going to tax it. 20%, 30%.

Speaker 2 We don't want to, but you forced us to. And the same thing with you.

Speaker 2 If you don't want to spend what you promised 11 years ago, what are we supposed to do? And we've spent more money helping Ukraine on your border than all of you 32 NATO members. That's close.

Speaker 2 probably around 210 billion, but we've spent more than all of you put together, and we're very distant. All you have to do is step up.

Speaker 2 Step up and stop the rhetoric about the Statue of Liberty and how you're independent. Just

Speaker 2 carry a club and keep quiet.

Speaker 2 We'll see. We'll see.

Speaker 2 But Trump's got to, he has to accentuate that. He's got to tell them very politely that He's not the aggressor.
They are the aggressors. They are the ones that are doing these things.
We're not.

Speaker 2 We're not running up big trade surpluses. We're not shorting NATO on our defense responsibilities.
We're not sending drugs into Mexico.

Speaker 2 We're not having Americans all over the world send remittances back here as they're on welfare in Europe or welfare in.

Speaker 2 It's they're doing it. But he's got to make that message.

Speaker 1 So, Victor, one more thing about Europe. Michael Schellenberg, who has been great on the COVID virus, has uncovered one further thing

Speaker 1 that the M16 in Britain knew COVID was from the lab in Wuhan, from the get-go. And so not a surprise, but what I was wondering, I was reading about that,

Speaker 1 why did all of these governments, the UK, the United States,

Speaker 1 Canada, why did they cover up for the Chinese?

Speaker 1 I still don't understand that.

Speaker 2 There's two or three reasons.

Speaker 2 There's two or three reasons.

Speaker 2 The first is that they knew from the beginning, German intelligence knew, UK, Department of Energy, CIA, FBI, they all knew it came. I mean, come on.
Jon Stewart,

Speaker 2 not a great investigative mind, was laughing when he said, you mean, tell me that the first case was a scientist, the next guy is a mile away, and there's not a bat or a pangolin that ever got COVID before a human did, and you're blaming it on them 100 miles away from a virology lab that was known and

Speaker 2 cited to be lax in its security.

Speaker 2 So, number one is people like Anthony Fauci from the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, Francis Collins, the head of the National Institute of Health, Peter Dasek, the head of the British subject, head of Echo Health,

Speaker 2 they knew since 2014 it was illegal, illegal to

Speaker 2 engage in

Speaker 2 gain of function research on biology, especially with coronaviruses. And they thought that was important.
And maybe they had help from the DOD.

Speaker 2 We see now that USAID had given $40 million to the lab, not just the $600,000. They claimed that was all they gave when they hit it by giving it to Peter Dasick.

Speaker 2 So when that...

Speaker 2 If you look at their emails, even the ones that are redacted, they were paranoid, Fauci, Collins, Peter Dasick, because they knew what they had done. If you think about it existentially,

Speaker 2 100 million people may have died, 1 million Americans

Speaker 2 got it. Somewhere around

Speaker 2 100,000 people had Sequela, you know, they were sick from long COVID. And some of them are still maimed.

Speaker 2 I had it twice. I can tell you that six months in a year, I had long COVID on two occasions.
It was not fun. It was really a neurological disease.
I ended up with glaucoma. I ended up with deafness.

Speaker 2 And they knew that. They knew that they had had a role in that, and they wanted to keep that quiet.
That was number one.

Speaker 2 Number two,

Speaker 2 this all took place during the Trump administration. So anybody who questioned what Fauci and Burks and Collins were saying,

Speaker 2 the vaccinations,

Speaker 2 they were not going to keep you safe. They were not going to prevent you from infecting somebody.
But if you said

Speaker 2 that, you were in trouble. Social distancing, there was no scientific support for that.
And for masks, other than close proximity indoors, there was no reason to wear them outdoors.

Speaker 2 And they also realized that, in addition to that,

Speaker 2 that the quarantine was was not justified, and it did enormous damage to, we all know that now.

Speaker 2 But they tied all this in with Trump. So Trump did it.
Trump did it. Trump did it.
Trump did it. So it was a club to hit Trump over the head with.

Speaker 2 And then third, there were so many NGOs, universities,

Speaker 2 international globalists, WHO, UN types, and especially corporate interests with business in China that they did not want to allow their partner, economic, financial, cultural, social, political partner to be stigmatized as killing 100 million people.

Speaker 2 So they wanted to say it was just an accident, even though that

Speaker 2 I wrote an article one day after I learned that China had stopped all flights from Wuhan to any city, any city in China, but they had allowed international flights from Wuhan to Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York.

Speaker 2 And there might have been over a million people that left Wuhan

Speaker 2 in this ensuing months before we stopped with a travel ban, which Trump was damned for.

Speaker 2 So that was what it was. It was part of a lie, a series of lies that the Biden people and the

Speaker 2 Obama Clinton did.

Speaker 2 And they knew they were lying, and now they say they were lying, and they're not apologetic. And that was one big lie.
The second big lie was that

Speaker 2 Joe Biden was hail. He wasn't.
He was always mentally compromised. Now we're getting books out by left-wing media people that say there was a conspiracy to hide that.

Speaker 2 I went on a major television and said that I shouldn't have used the adjective reptilian, but they got very angry at me. And when I said he was not in control of his faculties, I wrote that.

Speaker 2 I got hate mail and said, you're ageous, you're mean.

Speaker 2 They were the ones that were mean.

Speaker 2 They foisted this waxen veneer of this functionary on us as a mask of a hard left agenda that if they didn't have that veneer, it would not have been implemented the way it was.

Speaker 2 That was the second lie. The third lie was the collusion.
They knew from the beginning that Donald Trump was not working with Vladimir Putin.

Speaker 2 So they hired through three paywalls the campaign, Christopher Steele.

Speaker 2 He half James Bond Mishmash, half

Speaker 2 sex stories about urination in a hotel room, and half Russian disinformation, a third Russian disinformation. And they mixed it all up.
And then

Speaker 2 the checks came from Hillary to the DNC to Perkins Coe to Fusion GPS to Christopher Steele.

Speaker 2 And he was hired as an informant for the FBI.

Speaker 2 And that dossier was used to try to destroy Donald Trump in the campaign, and then for his first year and a half,

Speaker 2 through the Mueller investigation, to derail him. And it indirectly led to his impeachment.
That was the third great lie after Biden Wuhan. And then there was the fourth lie, the laptop lie.

Speaker 2 They knew from the very beginning it was in FBI control. It had been authenticated.
Christopher Wray knew it. FBI kept quiet about it.

Speaker 2 Anthony Blinken was worried that it was so lurid, so so pornographic, so full of drug use, and so full of concrete illusions about Joe Biden, Mr. Big, Mr.

Speaker 2 10%, that Donald Trump would destroy him in that October 23rd, 2020 debate. So Blinken came up with the idea, who was working for Biden.
Hey, Mike Morrell, you used to be the head of the CIA.

Speaker 2 Can you secretly get the old bunch together?

Speaker 2 You know, the perjure John Brennan, former CIA, the crazy guy Mike Hayden that compares Trump to Hitler and Auschwitz, the crazy John Brennan, the other perjurer ahead of NASH, and get old Leon Panetta, who hates Trump, get them all together, and then they'll round up some lesser functionaries.

Speaker 2 Just word it really carefully. Don't use the word disinformation.
Use the word information. Then say has all the hallmarks of.
So we say that

Speaker 2 this laptop has all the hallmarks of a Russian information campaign. And then we can have plausible deniability because we know it's false.

Speaker 2 It's an authentic laptop. But launch it right before the debate so Joe can go on TV and then cite 51 and lie his head off and refute Trump and win the election.
And that's what they did.

Speaker 2 Does anybody believe now in retrospect that the Wuhan

Speaker 2 lab had nothing to do with the origins of COVID? Does anybody believe that a pangolin or a bat in a wet market caused that? No, no one does.

Speaker 2 Does anybody believe that Hunter's laptop was authentic and a product of Russian, inauthentic and was cooked up in the Kremlin? No, no one believes that.

Speaker 2 Does anybody believe that Christopher Steele had accurate information in his dossier? No, no one believes that.

Speaker 2 No one believes that Biden was hailed.

Speaker 2 No one believes the virology lab was not the source of COVID. No one believes the lies about Russian collusion or laptop disinformation.

Speaker 2 There was a fifth lie, and that was, we don't know what happened to the border, but it's secure.

Speaker 2 And as far as the 10 to 15,000 people coming across,

Speaker 2 well, it's because we don't have comprehensive immigration reform.

Speaker 2 That's the reason. And we're not going to whip people like

Speaker 2 the Border Patrol does. And

Speaker 2 we're not going to build the fence. And

Speaker 2 we're going to bring back catch and release. We'll let people apply for refugee status.
Once they get here, we'll fly them in at night on an app.

Speaker 2 Each can apply for immunity from diplomatic audit, and we just can't close the border. Now we know that was a complete lie, complete lie.

Speaker 2 So there were five big lies that the Biden administration oversaw, and

Speaker 2 now what I'm getting at

Speaker 2 no one wants to defend them now I can't find anybody who says well wait a minute Victor there's good evidence at that Wuhan lab we were right all along it had nothing to do with it that pandolin or

Speaker 2 hey Victor George Biden is sharp as a tack fit as a fiddle I just saw him he was right on top of thing or I looked at the the stuff in the laptop that lured stuff that was all cooked up or that dossier boy it was really authentic.

Speaker 2 It was factual. Or,

Speaker 2 well, they had nothing to do. They didn't want to open the border.
It was just Trump's fault.

Speaker 2 He didn't give a comprehensive immigration. So we know that they've all been refuted.
Trump came in in like, what, two weeks, the border was closed.

Speaker 2 And now we get a book every week about how Joe Biden was completely unfit to be president. There was a conspiracy to hide that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think what also came of all of this was that everybody learned to trust various sources on social media, and that the regular news was just following up on the lies that the administration was telling.

Speaker 1 I think we all learned that from the entire situation: that you had to start to look for different outlets for news because, and that happened to be on social media.

Speaker 1 So, social media media proved itself.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that's true. If you look at the commonalities, so I mentioned those five lies that were foisted on us, they all had commonalities.

Speaker 2 Number one, no one was ever prosecuted for lying or anything.

Speaker 2 And a lot of them involved breaking the law. Number two, none of them ever apologized.

Speaker 2 Number three, none of them ever tried to refute that they were lying or to bring in evidence that they were not lying. They never did.
They didn't even defend themselves.

Speaker 2 Number four, the media bought every one of those lies. CBS, NBC, MSNBC, all the print media, every one of them.
And they damned anybody who objected. The only outlet was social media.
Number

Speaker 2 five is in some ways the Biden administration was involved in all of them, all of them.

Speaker 2 And no one ever

Speaker 2 has taken responsibility for that. About the border, that lie, the disinformation on the laptop.
Blinken, nothing ever happened to Blinken.

Speaker 2 He should have been censored or he should have never been, if they had known it, they should have never been confirmed for Secretary of State for what he did. That affected a lot.

Speaker 2 There was a conservative organization that suggested that the laptop alone changed the course of the 2020 election, had people known the truth about it, that

Speaker 2 it was authentic, and that cooked up the idea that it was a lies, and that Christopher Steele changed things. But

Speaker 2 Biden had his hands in all of those things.

Speaker 1 Well, Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and then come back and talk a little bit about Fannie Willis or Fannie Willis, who is back in the news today. So stay with us.
We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 Welcome back to the Victor Davis-Hanson Show.

Speaker 1 So Victor Fannie Willis, as a judge, has finally decided that she

Speaker 1 had not been truthful and disclosed evidence about Nathan Wade with the prosecute

Speaker 1 defense and that she needs to pay a fine of $54,000.

Speaker 1 And I was wondering your thoughts on the new Fannie Willis update.

Speaker 2 Well, Fannie Willis' whole career was based on the fact that as Fulton County district attorney, she could do anything she wanted because she was elected by hard-left people and she was hard left.

Speaker 2 And as long as she kept saying she was a proud black woman and she was going to speak truth to power and go after Donald Trump, she was elected. That was the whole point.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it all started to fall apart when she got tied up with with Nathan Wade, who was completely incompetent. He had no experience in that type of prosecution.
He was paid, I guess, $700,000.

Speaker 2 The two of them went on junkest with his bloated salary. And then in a racist fashion, when they were caught,

Speaker 2 she claimed that black people do not have to keep receipts, that they deal in cash, which I know a lot of black people, their

Speaker 2 commercial values are no different than anybody else. They use cash to the same or less than anybody else.
So that was all a racist lie that she promulgated.

Speaker 2 And then she was having an affair with him. Then she sent him on November 15th of

Speaker 2 Excuse me, November 18th of 2022 to the White House, where he billed the government, I guess for his expertise, to fill them in on what she was doing because they wanted to know because that same day they had appointed Jack Smith as a federal prosecutor and that same day Michael Cole Angelo had left the DOJ to work with

Speaker 2 Alvin Bragg and apprise him of the work that he had done previously for Latita James. So all those

Speaker 2 four indictments were connected. And she just didn't, when people wanted some information about the communication she had, she just said,

Speaker 2 screw you, I'm not going to show you.

Speaker 2 And of course they finally fined her for that. And that shows you that she knew she was going to be fined and she either thought it was going to help her politically or

Speaker 2 it wouldn't be that much or it was not going to be as bad as releasing files that might indicate more collusion.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 1 then let's turn to the Secret Service detail for Ashley and Hunter Biden. Both of those have been pulled off.
I'm not sure why they needed the detail that they had.

Speaker 1 It seems like they had 13 and 18 Secret Service agents with them all the way up until yesterday, and it's Tuesday today. So I was wondering your thoughts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, usually the president's children are given, I think, five or six months honeymoon so that when they get back, if somebody who didn't like their father tries to threaten them,

Speaker 2 but not

Speaker 2 beyond that. So it was logical that his term of free secret service agents would end.
What was the catalyst was that he had filed a lawsuit

Speaker 2 voluming people who were so-called persecuting him and about the laptop, especially the owner, said that he had libeled him and that the laptop was inauthentic. Although he never really said that.

Speaker 2 You remember what he said? They said, well, are you saying it's inauthentic? And he said,

Speaker 2 I haven't said.

Speaker 2 Well, wait a minute. You're saying that he's wrong because he says it is authentic, so you must believe it's fake.

Speaker 2 You said it, I didn't. That kind of stuff.
And then he ran out of money because he was no longer able to grift because his father was no longer president.

Speaker 2 So he's now in South Africa where his wife apparently grew up. with all his Secret Service.
And

Speaker 2 I think a lot of people are angry because he tried to destroy this poor guy who was a service person who had a contract that says, if you abandon a piece of equipment with me and I have put my labor into it, then it's mine after a certain date.

Speaker 2 And so he went after that person, but now he has no money. So he just skipped.
He didn't want to be cross-examined. That was his biggest problem because he would have to say things that were not true

Speaker 2 under oath. So he just fled to South Africa and said, you know, I can't, he's in a fetal position.
Hunter did. Just go.
But he took a secret service date.

Speaker 2 And Ashley

Speaker 2 Biden, I guess because she had the diary business, remember, where she wrote in her diary that she thought she was a little bit too old and may have been harmed by showering with her father, Joe Biden, and then that was abandoned by her in a hotel, a rental, and then somebody found it, the next occupant, and tried to peddle it.

Speaker 2 And at one time, James O'Keefe looked at it, but was not interested for, I guess, a reason. But the FBI rousted him out at, what, three in the morning in his underwear.
So

Speaker 2 the Biden family are a train wreck, all of them.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I think Trump is just saying, we're not going to pay for this anymore.

Speaker 2 And I don't think they need to.

Speaker 1 And there's another thing they're not going to pay for anymore, and that is the Voice of America's staff has been asked to hand in or to go on leave for a while.

Speaker 1 So they're going to make some big changes at the Voice of America, which I'm pretty happy about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like the BBC. It started out as a very wonderful organization that brought culture, movies, literature, film.
I've done some things for it in the past, but it's not now.

Speaker 2 It's run by left-wing people who feel that they can appeal most to people abroad by trashing the United States.

Speaker 2 And it brings up, I think you're going to see the whole, I mean, George Will, who's a fanatic, never trumper, even admitted that he thinks they should cut the PBS and the NPR budgets. I think 50 or 60

Speaker 2 percent of their budgets are from private organizations, Rockefeller Foundation, Tides Foundation, all of these multi-billion dollar foundations.

Speaker 2 So the amount of money they get from government is probably very small now, probably 10 or 20 or 30 percent, and they should cut it. And then let all these

Speaker 2 left-wing organizations that run it. I hadn't listened to it in years, and the other day I was driving, I just turned on NPR, and I just said to myself,

Speaker 2 I'll just adjudicate. the content of the news and the shows that every one of them was left-wing, every one of them.
And I've been on on there before, and it's very difficult to go on.

Speaker 2 I think I mentioned once on the air that they asked me during the Trump years to comment on the border, and the argument was that he was creating cages to put children in and separate from their parents.

Speaker 2 And I tried politely to show that

Speaker 2 those facilities were created by Barack Obama.

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 that this surge was deliberate to embarrass Trump.

Speaker 2 The person disagreed, but

Speaker 2 the host cut me off and said, thank you. And then the person interviewed me just went on a rampage about how wrong I was, which is really unprofessional to attack a guest after he's off the air.

Speaker 2 So I told, when they called, and it kind of gave me an apology, I said,

Speaker 2 I will never ever be on NPR again. I haven't since.
They're kind of like the New York Times.

Speaker 2 Anybody from the New York Times or the Washington Post or NPR PBS calls you.

Speaker 2 If you're a conservative person, do not cooperate with them because what they want to do is to speak to you on the phone, record it, and then cut and paste maybe eight words.

Speaker 2 And they say things like this.

Speaker 2 I'll just make it hypothetical. Are you a little worried about the Trump tariffs?

Speaker 2 And if you say, not really, I just think we have to be more focused how we word it, That's all you say.

Speaker 2 Then they will have a long article and they'll say, conservative observer Riktor Hansen of the conservative Hoover Institution says he's very worried about Trump's wording. That's what they'll say.

Speaker 2 Or they'll say, Hansen, blast Trump. That's what they will do.
And it won't matter who it is. They'll all do that.
And they'll be very nice to. New Yorker, I had the same experience.

Speaker 2 So I don't talk to any of them. And I would advise no conservative to do that because they're not interested in actually finding an oppositional point of view.

Speaker 2 They're just trying to get some conservative who

Speaker 2 they can use as a foil against Trump or somebody.

Speaker 1 Well, Victor, the last topic today is Harvard has

Speaker 1 signed,

Speaker 1 well, has decided, I guess we should say,

Speaker 1 to give free tuition to students who families earn less than $200,000. And for those that earn less than $100,000, they're going to offer housing and health services for them as well.

Speaker 1 Is this some sort of new leaf or what's going on with Harvard?

Speaker 2 Well, they have $50 billion endowment.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 they have plenty of money and I think they're under so much criticism.

Speaker 2 from everybody

Speaker 2 that they're trying to show that they're more egalitarian. But you know, the real story is that it's about $200,000 for books, room and board, and tuition at Harvard.

Speaker 2 And if you come from a state like New York or California, where the income tax is 12%,

Speaker 2 13%,

Speaker 2 and you add that to the 38% federal tax and then the Obamacare, so you really do lose half your salary if you're in that income bracket that sends your kids to Harvard or Yale or Stanford.

Speaker 2 So basically 200,000 means you have to allot 400,000 per student, per year, of your gross income.

Speaker 2 The government will take half and then you'll need 200 net to give to Harvard or Stanford for the whole package.

Speaker 2 Tuition alone is a quarter million dollars, but it's probably

Speaker 2 five, six hundred thousand or seven hundred thousand for four years when you do the rent and the food and the health care, all the rest.

Speaker 2 So nobody really can go there unless they're on a scholarship, unless they're very, very wealthy.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's, there's no, the person that gets really hurt is the middle-class kids. Maybe that's what they're worried about.
But the poor have been on complete scholarships and the very wealthy

Speaker 2 are exempt because of their parents' income. It's vast.

Speaker 2 But these places do not try to get people geographically or economically or racially diverse. So in the case of Stanford, if they really wanted to do something like that, they would say, look,

Speaker 2 white males are about 35% of the population.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we'd like to get white males from Arkansas or Montana or Wyoming, not just the children of the bicoastal elite, and we want them to represent their numbers on demographic, but they don't do that.

Speaker 2 They only have have 9% white males

Speaker 2 that have been led into STAM for the last three or four years, and they're not politically diverse.

Speaker 2 They all talk about diversity, but you look at the, there's been a new study out by the Pew Polling Organization that I was reading not long ago, and it pretty much confirms that 75 to 90% of all the faculties at these universities are Democrats and left-wing.

Speaker 2 They have no interest in being diverse at all.

Speaker 2 They don't want their students to diverse. So you can see what's happening.

Speaker 2 These students come to these universities and all of the classes are, almost all of them, 80%, 90% are left-wing and they're ideological.

Speaker 2 And then the students are brainwashed and then it's sort of like being in a political party or

Speaker 2 being part of the nomenclature of the Soviet Union. And you just, they turn them out

Speaker 2 and they're on student, a lot of them are on student loans. And when they come out, if they have a degree in anything other than science or math or engineering, it's worthless.

Speaker 2 I would imagine that many of the students at Columbia

Speaker 2 that you see protesting

Speaker 2 are

Speaker 2 minoring or majoring in disciplines that have no chance of making more than $50,000 a year. And the money, the disposable income from those salaries wouldn't even even pay back their student loans.

Speaker 2 And so that's another thing that we're talking about. This $1.7 trillion

Speaker 2 of loans mostly went to

Speaker 2 people that were middle class or upper middle class that majored in fields that have no renewment or value and cannot pay that back.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 it makes people very frustrated and angry, I suppose. But somewhere the university was liable or culpable.

Speaker 2 Wouldn't it be nice if you were going to college and

Speaker 2 when you were admitted, then you got a call or a Zoom conference with the support staff and said

Speaker 2 this is going to cost you $700,000 or $800,000 for room board tuition for four years or five years, the average it takes to graduate. And

Speaker 2 these are the majors that we offer and

Speaker 2 these are the average income that these majors usually garner upon graduation. This is the amount of money that you've borrowed.
This is the amount of interest that's charged on those loans.

Speaker 2 This is the amount of money you will need upon graduation to service those loans. And these are what you can expect to be paid given the field that you're majoring in.

Speaker 2 And that would be very honest to do that. If you buy a car, they basically say that to you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, last thing then about universities, there's a new commentator, Christopher Rim, R-I-M,

Speaker 1 and he's showing that the admissions,

Speaker 1 you were saying, well, somebody's responsible for bringing in all these students that are studies students, etc.

Speaker 1 But he was talking about how they purposely target, and he was referencing specifically Columbia University, target radicals to bring them into their university.

Speaker 1 So all of the trouble on the Columbia campus is self-induced, is what Christopher Rim was saying. And I thought that was very insightful.

Speaker 1 And he gives the case example of: well, they ask you questions to talk about how you might learn or contribute to Columbia's diverse and collaborative community.

Speaker 1 All key words for tell us just how DEI you are.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, the faculty, when you, they're starting to find that they're unconstitutional from some court rulings, but to apply for a faculty position, you basically had to have a 1950s loyalty oath, but your loyalty was not the United States, it was to DEI.

Speaker 2 So what have you done in your past to promote diversity, equity, inclusion? If you just left that blank or you...

Speaker 2 you didn't have a very impressive deal, they were not going to hire you. The same thing is true about students.

Speaker 2 People forget that all of the admissions committees at universities are made of faculty members and they're all left-wing. The larger question is, why are they so left-wing?

Speaker 2 Part of it is they spent too much of their lives, they've never been in the real private sector.

Speaker 2 I mean, a graduate student is basically an undergraduate who at 21 went to graduate school, and then for the next five years at 26 was now a decade on the campus with summers off

Speaker 2 left-wing people and then they went out and tried to get a job so

Speaker 2 one of the things I noticed when I was 18 is all my professors had never had a job outside of academia ever ever

Speaker 2 and so they were just completely

Speaker 2 insulated from market realities because they had lifelong tenure and they usually had campus housing and it was a wonderful position they were around young people and they were all looked up to they had titles they really took themselves very seriously, too seriously.

Speaker 2 So I think that's all going to end because the country doesn't want to pay for it. A recent poll

Speaker 2 asked them, what is your opinion of the Ivy League? And for the first time, more Americans had a negative idea,

Speaker 2 negative appraisal of the Ivy League. And the second question was,

Speaker 2 Do you think an Ivy League education makes you a better worker?

Speaker 2 10% said yes.

Speaker 2 So, and as I said before, when I've talked to

Speaker 2 overseer groups for the Hoover Institution, Stanford alumni, many of them,

Speaker 2 they all say that what they're most worried about, this is what Mark Andreessen, the entrepreneur, was saying, that when they hire a Stanford graduate or a person from that type of school, They have an attitude that's complaining.

Speaker 2 They're used to being coddled. They feel they're brilliant.

Speaker 2 They're always looking to be oppressed. And they don't like the corporation for which they're working.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 1 you know. So there you have it.

Speaker 2 Well, Elon Musk was very unpopular, but he proved at Twitter that you could run an effective company by having 20% of the workforce come in and work.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 and Jamie Dimon is saying the same thing. So

Speaker 2 it's.

Speaker 2 I don't know, it's,

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 have a bachelor's degree and a PhD, and I was always a big adherent of academia,

Speaker 2 that it was

Speaker 2 taught, and I taught a lot of minority and young kids that didn't have access to college, Western Civ and literature and things like that.

Speaker 2 But looking back at 71, Maybe I'm talking as if I still have the flu and I'm depressed, but I look at my life and I see that

Speaker 2 on the ledger that the academic world was on the negative side of the ledger. It did more damage than it did good to students, to the economy, to people in general.

Speaker 2 And to the degree that we have a divisive population where people identify by their tribe and not as Americans in the ecumenical fashion.

Speaker 2 to the degree that we have this strong anti-Americanism in the country, to the degree we have all of these ideas that are very pernicious, like

Speaker 2 LGBTQ biological men and women's sports, or critical legal theory or critical waste theory or the ideologies that drive BLM or our attitude toward home. They all came out of the university.

Speaker 2 All of them did.

Speaker 1 All right, Victor, we are at the end of our show. I'd like to thank our audience for joining us today, for choosing to join us.
And thank you for all the wisdom on all of the the news of the week.

Speaker 2 I hope it went all right. I was using a different type of microphone in a kind of gloomy hotel room and I still have some traces of this flu, but we finished.
That's all about we did.

Speaker 1 So thanks to everybody. This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis Hansen and we're signing off.

Speaker 2 Thank you everybody.