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So, Victor, Donald Trump said,

Hey, Nikki, hey, Mike.

It was great working with you before, but we're not going to be working with you this time round.

What do you think about that?

Did they deserve that?

Was

I mean, nobody deserves a role in the administration, but what your thoughts?

I had a little conflicted about that because

I had known Mike Pompeii a little bit.

He asked me to speak on World War II to the

CIA, the whole

everybody at Langley, which I did.

And then

he hired a number of people of my, a lot of my colleagues from Hoover.

And although he wasn't

entirely MAGA,

he was very loyal to Donald Trump while he was Secretary of State.

And he helped restore deterrence.

And so a lot of the success that we had, whether it was deterring Kim Jong-un

or Putin from going into Ukraine, and the Chinese didn't try stuff like the balloon antic that they did with Biden or serially threatening Taiwan, was due to his manifestations of the Trump-Jacksonian policies.

I think what happened, though, is that people, you know, Tucker, whom I like a lot and admire, I think a lot of them felt that he was part of it wasn't I think and correct me if I'm wrong he was very critical of Julian Assange you know and the leaking and I think a lot of people on the mega right saw some of those people as free spirits that had a right that were trying to expose government wrongdoing I don't know what it was but they were a little different.

I think in the case of Nikki Haley, she was very good as UN ambassador, but when she

let me just stop for a second.

There was one other matter.

There was a period, as you remember, Jack, somewhere in 2000,

oh, it was in 2022 when there were rumors that Mike Pompeo might want to run and people had said he'd lost a lot of weight.

He was

he did throw his hat in the ring for a little bit there.

He did.

Well, I don't know if he did officially, but it was generally known that he hit the lecture circuits and he had position papers and, you know, and in the Trump mind it would be well you know he was a member of the House of Representatives and I made him CIA director then I made him so

that would be considered taboo and then with the same thing with Nikki Haley she she'd had a very good career as UN ambassador and then she was she needed some money she resigned she went on a lot of corporate boards but then

I think what I'm trying to get at is I think that he has much

more cordial relations with Ron DeSantis than he does with Nikki Haley, given that both were the two finalists that came in respectively

third and second to Donald Trump because DeSantis got out when there was no pathway.

When he got out, Nikki Haley saw that maybe she could pick up his support and then

run against Trump to the bitter end with

two narratives.

One, he can't win.

He can't win.

There's no way he's going to win.

You're going to have him lose again.

He'll lose two elections.

And then the second message, after January 6th, he's too unstable.

He's too vindictive.

He's too.

And she just kept hammering that.

I think I said, I wrote a column saying, I think it's time for you, if you want to preserve your status within the Republican Party.

If either way, if Trump loses,

he will not be a figure.

But if he wins, he'll only be there four years.

But you're going to be around a lot.

So

why are you pushing this all the way to the bitter end?

Also,

there was a sense of Nikki Haley, Republican, was a pro-Kamala Harris.

Yes, and then

she was smart.

She will, as you know, those Wall Street Journal op-eds.

Right.

But she couched them in that

something to the effect,

although I've been critical of Donald Trump, he's much preferable, his message, to

Camilla Harris.

And I endorse, but it was almost like pulling teeth.

Right.

So,

you know, but everybody has made these adjustments.

Did you see Peggy Noonan's column in the Wall Street Journal?

I don't.

What did she, what did her?

She basically said, well, she called him at that.

Just like she did in 2017, she just took that column in 2000.

The poor, vulnerable people, the people without a voice, the people, the deplorables, they have a voice, and we've all ignored them.

And this is kind of the same thing.

And these Trump people were trying to tell the establishment, i.e.,

and then, of course, Peggy has to have the caveat.

Of course, Donald Trump, quote, is an SOB,

an SOB.

But

I don't think they'd understand something.

If I could just say something about Trump, Trump exaggerates.

He doesn't tell pernicious lies.

I mean, he gets into self-infant trouble, you know, when he gets into the

birther stuff and all that, but he exaggerates.

He's a showman, yes.

He can be cruel to people, yes.

But he doesn't do things

like weaponize the FBI, weaponize the DOJ, weaponize the CIA to go after and destroy people's lives the way they did.

He didn't organize law affairs.

He didn't even go after Hillary.

I think he said something to the effect she suffered enough.

Yeah.

This is when she was telling people to join the resistance, and he was an illegitimate president.

And she was a cruise, she did commit crimes.

She did.

She did.

She destroyed subpoena devices, and James Comey said she broke the law, but no prosecutor would, you know, indict a major political candidate.

So,

anyway, I think

Haley went way overboard, and there there was a way to bow out gracefully.

And the other thing is, I think people, when you looked at the final polls

of Haley and DeSantis, not the polls against Trump, but the polls against Biden.

It was...

It was kind of shocking.

They either polled the same against Biden or not quite as well as Trump.

And my point, for a while, DeSantis polled much better with the fumes of January 6th.

But as that campaign primary

campaign heated up,

it was very hard to make the argument, if you vote for me, you have a much better chance of beating Biden.

That was the narrative, but when you looked at the polls, that wasn't borne out.

And that was what was shocking, even at the last moments when Haley, that was her signature campaign talking point against Donald Trump.

But when you look at the polls, it wasn't there.

So what I'm getting at is, yes, they might have got more never-Trumpers.

I'm talking about Haley in particular.

But

two things there.

They might have got more Never Trumpers.

But does anybody believe that Haley could have either gone to Madison Square Garden or Oklahoma City, the reddest of the red or the bluest of the blue and turn out 20,000 people in an indoor auditorium?

I don't.

I don't think she could do it.

And

so that was one thing that

she just wasn't going to be able to do.

And the other thing was

that,

and I think Jen Sake of all people said that, we've been talking about it.

The people, when we get on the never-Trumpers, but for all the publicity and the left-wing money that amplifies their voices,

there are not that many never-trumpers anymore.

And they have zero constituency.

This election had about 95%

Republicans, and those Republicans stayed loyal to Donald Trump.

So they were hearing from Bill Crystal, from the Bulwark, from the Dispatch, from Jonah Goldberg, from all these terrible things about Trump.

But they had George Will, nothing.

And in comparison,

the renegade Democrats or the Independents were far more likely to jump ship from the left and join Trump.

And therefore, you could make the ancillary argument that RFK or Joe Rogan or Tulsi Gabbert with just a single endorsement had done more for Donald Trump in a month or two than ever Trumpers had done to damage him in 10 years.

Right.

Right.

So I don't think they haven't, they're impotent.

They're irrelevant.

And so Haley would, if Haley could get a Liz Cheney, nobody cared.

It would be be

no value.

What a flop.

What a complete and utter flop driver.

Yeah, if what I said was true, and I think it is true,

why would you drag somebody along who was so embarrassed with that scowl on her face?

She was going to bring no one from the Republican side over to Harris because there was no one who wanted to go over there.

And if they did, her endorsement would be counterproductive.

If you had a Never Trumper who's a Republican, let's say he was a CEO and he,

you know, he and his wife were appalled by the tweets of Donald Trump saying that, you know, low IQ Camela and they said, we just can't vote for her.

Let's turn on the TV.

And they see Liz Cheney about, talking about Trump destroying democracy and Shrill and all that.

I don't think that was going to, that would not swing them over.

I don't know why Harris, if you think about it in every aspect, the way they used the money, the type of commercials that they led, the venues that they visited, the interviews that she gave, that was the

worst candidate and the worst run campaign.

What?

It was a flawless.

I read it was a flawless campaign.

No, the only one that was worse was the 1972 George

McGovern.

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Yeah.

It was a big train wreck.

Yeah.

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Victor, this is probably not a good on-the-fly attempt to do something, but caveat Republicans, I think,

have

many of my former colleagues, still friends, but that have to.

every time they write, every time they talk, have to add the Trump caveat.

I know it.

As you know, he's it only diminishes, and there are people who might be receptive to the point they have to make, but just after

the endless amount of times they do that, say, you know, I'm sick of listening to you and you're pissing on him, excuse my French.

You don't add caveats every time you talk about Obama.

That's a very good point.

Why don't they say a Biden?

You know what?

You just have to, Trump is so crude.

You have to vote for Biden.

Now,

I'm not going to mention that he sexually assaulted likely Tara Reed or that he blows on women's hair or he invades their space or he called Charlemagne the God You Ain't Black

or Barack Obama that he was the first articulate

black, clean, clean, black presidential candidate or the corn pop stuff, or he was good friends with

Southern segregationists.

I'm not going to mention that, but I have to.

Do they do that?

No.

They don't have any of that.

They always say Donald Trump, although Donald Trump is awful.

They never say any of the other people.

They don't say, well, you know,

I'm,

I, there are some good things about Gavin Newsom, but the fact that he had sexual intercourse with his best friend's wife, I'm not, you know, they don't, they don't ever do that.

They just do it with Donald Trump, that he's a liar that he's a sex deviant he's a rapist

and they never do it with all the other people whose sins are commiserate

i don't think the sheer repetition of that undermines their it does their standing as like they're they have something wise that they're wise if he was so wise why'd he keep saying it over and over oh that's why donald trump is bulletproof yeah that's not a good metaphor after the two ss but my point is that they can't they thought that they don't understand it's even weirder than that when they go after him and call him a fascist and a dictator and they melt down it's not

that that

has

no influence upon him that makes donald trump more sympathetic and people like to hear that about him that he gets such a rush out of these awful people.

That helps him.

And by the by the antithesis is true, too.

I didn't think it was, but I'm beginning to think it is.

That when Donald Trump says things that you're not supposed to say, you know, like

Camilla Harris, who's a

low-knowledge voter,

low IQ or something, or dumb, dumb as a post.

I wouldn't say that.

I was on Megan Kelly's show when I said, I don't think she's dumb.

Megan said she was dumb.

We were arguing about manifestations of inability.

And I I just said she's got a cunning to get where she is on limited ability.

She does.

But the point I'm making is that when Trump gets out of hand, people are so angry at the establishment.

If they hear Trump say something out there and they think that's going to make the establishment angry, then

that's fine with them.

Yeah.

No matter if they disagree.

Yes, it is.

I don't think the left have any idea,

this new left,

how despised they are by the majority of people.

They don't understand the more they talk about the Republican Party has been hijacked.

The party,

94% of the Republican Party are happy where it is now.

It's the party that's changed, the Democratic Party.

It's the one that's hemorrhaging because it doesn't even look like anything close to the old Democratic Party.

It's a full-blown

neo-socialist anarchist party.

It really is.

A week after the election, Victor, their theologians

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We're going to talk about that a little later, some of the meltdowns.

I didn't talk to you about this ahead of time, but I'd like to...

get your thoughts on Mitch McConnell.

Yeah, I think you might have thoughts on him.

And how about we'll get to him and we'll get to some of the

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Again, we're recording on Sunday, the 10th of November, and this particular episode is up on Thursday, the 14th.

So, Victor,

Mitch McConnell, I wrote a note here.

Mitch McConnell and his GOP sidekicks

own the Democrats.

Do they own?

I think they do the Democrat Senate victories in Arizona and Nevada, where not a dime was spent.

I never understood that.

I never understood that.

Millions were spent for Larry Hogan in Maryland.

But yeah, Brown lost by razor-thin margin.

What, 3,000?

He was behind by 3,000 votes.

Yeah.

And Kerry Lake is still things up in the air, but you know, not a penny, not a penny.

I never understood that because Sam Brown was, you know, disfigured in service of his country.

And he's a wonderful guy.

And he had almost no resources.

And by sheer grit and determination to win that seat and to help the Republicans and by association,

Mitch McConnell himself, he wouldn't give that guy as that.

He needed about $5 million and he would have won.

And I don't, and Carrie Lake, I know she turned people the wrong way that were rhinos,

but.

If you didn't want to give to her and you say, well, she's just polarizing, okay, maybe I can see your logic.

but the last month she was incrementally gaining gaining gaining and and that galagos guy with all these tawdry

revelations were coming out about him he was a hemorrhaging candidate and if he had put money in there they would have picked up both seats and that's

how much spite is a is an ingredient in politics and uh spite is malpractice here i think uh i don't think mcconnell he saw his job as to master the intricacies of Senate rules and protocols and leadership and to out-fox his Democratic counterpart, and most recently Schumer, and use the rules and regulations to further the traditional Republican cause.

And in terms of judicial appointments and getting people approved, and using the Senate not to bring up, you know, a chance for Merrick Garland, which

in the sense that they started it and they said, you know, we're not going to buy the Biden rule.

So he was good at all that, but what he lacked was he didn't really have empathy for the working class people and why they were not

fully Republican anymore.

And he represented that established, very wealthy echelon that did not had either he didn't have it or he had lost the empathy for the middle class that was that was increasingly electing them.

And when you do that, it's not good.

And he was very insensitive to criticism.

You couldn't criticize him.

He'd get very angry.

And

there was no he had a lot to be criticized.

Peter Schweitzer going after him in his books about

his wife's dealings with China and amongst other things.

Yeah, he's.

He could have.

He didn't have that public spat with Trump.

Right.

And on, you know, on January 6th,

all he had to do was say, look, I don't approve of any violence or anybody going into

the Capitol.

But Joe Biden got 81 million votes.

We've never had 81 million votes.

We will never have 81 million votes again.

And by the way, Donald Trump lost with 74.

He won this time with 74.

And Haley, I don't think a black woman with tons of money is going to, what, get 65 versus 81?

So all he had to say was

this was the first election in American history where many states switched from 30% mail-in balloting to only 30% on election day.

And in that influx, there was a radical drop off in the typical rejection of inauthentic ballots from 0.4%, 5% to 0.3%.

And so when you have this enormous number, 81 million, and by the way, no one will ever get close for that in our lifetime.

Population is not growing that much.

And you have that large number and you have 70% of them not voting on it.

There were reasons to be incredulous.

He could have said that.

He didn't have to get in the voting machines or theft.

He could just express that skepticism, and he couldn't even do that.

Well, Victor, I'm going to hold off a little on the meltdowns because there's a lot there.

I want to get your thoughts on what seems to be the correct story of how things played out.

And Mark Halperin, who has been really risen in journalism esteem over the last few months, remember

he was me too out of a job at ABC, I think, and he was on Morning Joe all the time.

But he is kind of resurrecting himself with

some

sterling daily throughout the day analyses of the elections and reporting.

Well, he had reported back in whenever it was July that Biden was actually going to

not run,

but the implication was there was then going to be an open process.

So Biden, of course, as we know, immediately endorsed

Wella Harris and to the consternation of,

I guess, Nancy Pelosi, et cetera.

But Victor, this seemed like Joe Biden, the big FU,

the chaos creator.

Would she look at Afghanistan?

Wait, wait, wait.

Are you suggesting that Joe Biden

knew he was cognitively impaired,

didn't really care whether that perception was shared by the public, didn't really care whether that had led to him supposedly losing, what, 400 Electoral College votes and was still going to persist.

And then he was taken off the ticket in a veritable coup.

And

some of the coosters thought that they were going to have an open convention, but he rushed in to annoy Camilla Harris because, and now I'm kind of extrapolating a little bit, he knew that she was inept because he picked her because she was inept because she was his Spiro Agnew Insurance about getting removed.

And he knew that she would be an utter disaster and pay those people back.

And therefore, he could say, I was unfairly ripped off my ticket.

I was perfectly fine.

I had a little dip in the polls.

She's an inept.

She's not going to say this.

He's thinking, you picked this inept in a very

non-democratic way.

You canceled 14 million of my voters and gave it what I had won, you gave to someone who never even won, much less even entered a primary.

And guess what?

She lost.

I carried every county that she lost.

I won the popular vote.

I won the Electoral College.

She won neither.

And you know what?

Good old Joe Biden from Scranton will be the only person in history that ever beat Donald Trump.

Hillary, remember the year of the woman and Camille, the year of the woman?

They didn't.

They

I can see him smiling.

Yes, in support of July with an ice cream cone, and being on a beach, happy as he was.

Already.

Did you saw him put the MAGA hat on?

Yeah.

She still wore the red dress when she went to vote.

Yes, he had the MAGA hat on.

And then she got in a spat, tried to demagogue the hurricane damage.

And Ron DeSantis and she went back and forth.

He went right into that, inserted himself.

Ron DeSantis is doing a wonderful job.

We have a close relationship.

And then that just cut the legs

from under her.

And then she's out there with a rally.

And just as the same time the rally is going, he's got this amateur little laptop with nobody even supervising him.

Look like a 12-year-old, the angle of his head, saying that half of it.

It's like me, you know, getting on a Zoom.

And some guy calls me and says, You had a Zoom today.

Oh, my God.

I don't have time.

I just just flip over the page.

I whipped up and I looked like I'm in Mars or at some weird security camera angle.

And that's what he was.

And he calls half the country a garbage.

And all of a sudden, in a nanosecond,

Biden slurs half of the country is garbage right when she's doing her big rally.

I mean, yeah.

And now, you know what else I was thinking?

I watched him today.

He gave a little,

there was a clip today of his post-election

commentary

and i couldn't believe it he was robust right he was happy he had a little color in his face he didn't slur and then looked at the comments because it was on youtube they were all conspiratorial this was all he went into limp deer mode he was in he was a possum he deliberately got he didn't want to be president anymore he was tired so he deliberately had a bad debate and slurred his word.

So they'd kick him off, put, and then he could get back at him and put Camela in there and then revert to being robust for the last 90 days of his term to make him even look worse.

I don't believe that, but it's kind of strange that he's so happy now.

Yeah.

And Nancy,

Nancy has been

payback to her has been serious, and she's in fights now with all different.

She's in fights at all.

Everybody should remember that before Joe Biden came on, reemerged, that people were saying that she had, she is 84.

She's got cognitive problems and she says a lot of crazy things and she's been saying crazy.

She's been fighting with Biden.

She's been fighting with Harris.

She's been fighting with everybody.

Bernie Sanders now.

Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She doesn't look very well.

She's, she's, won't let go.

I mean, she's still running for Congress.

Yeah.

I don't know.

And

I don't know.

Biden is very happy now, and he can say to everybody that

if you'd only let me have a chance, if you'd only let me have a chance, I would have done for you in 2024

what I did in 2020.

I would have stopped the evil Donald Trump.

But you had to go DEI in 2016 with Hillary, and you went in again with Kamala.

That's why I had to endorse her because you treated me so badly and humiliated me.

I was going to, you know, champion her and put a...

Yeah.

What do you expect?

Yeah.

What'd you expect?

No, no open convention for you.

No Josh Shapiro, Gavin, no

Mark Kelly moderates.

No, no, no, no, no.

If you want to get rid of me, you go fool Kamala and see how it feels.

And that's, that's where he is now.

Yeah.

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So, Victor,

the clock's ticking.

Biden will still be president

July, June, excuse me, January 19th.

The Senate, though,

I think it's January 3rd.

There'll be a whole new Senate.

So he's got, what, six weeks?

And what do people want him to do in those six weeks?

Well, what they want so do my heir to do, step down as Supreme Court justice so Biden can appoint somebody new so they can,

instead of having some 70-year-old whose big sin health-wise, she has diabetes.

Oh, let's get someone who's 40 years old and a real, real radical who will be there for, you know, 34 years.

Everybody should remember that

going back to the Soviet Union,

the left is ruthless.

When they get a party line and they get a narrative, and it's ruthless.

It's always for the perceived interest of the majority.

and therefore is unquestionable.

And they took Ruth Bader Ginsburg and they deified her.

They made movies about her.

When she was in her 80s and cancer-stricken, and it looked like,

you know, that Hillary was going to be the next president, and they said that she was lifting weights.

Remember that?

She was giving videos of working out.

And then the unthinkable happened.

Donald Trump won.

She passed away.

and on a dime, they turned and said she was selfish.

She lost them a seat.

She was horrible.

Same thing with Joe Biden.

They were saying that he was exactly like George Washington in 1796.

I'm quoting literally.

He wrote his famous version of George.

Washington's farewell address.

Remember, I stepped down.

I still, I owe it to it, but I'm in retirement.

Washington did not run for a third term.

So they had an open election in 1796, and that was wonderful.

And that's what Joe Biden had done.

Now, it didn't matter that Nancy and Schumer and Hycombe Jeffries cornered him along with the clooney Hollywood people and the big money bags and said, listen, USOB,

you're going to lose us 400 electoral votes.

You get off this ticket now, right now.

And if you don't going to do it, we're going to get a cabinet to vote and get you out of here in the 25th amendment.

Our way or the highway?

What is it?

And so he got off.

And they said he was wonderful.

Remember that?

Selfless.

And then all of a sudden, Kamala Harris came in.

She had her honeymoon, her bump.

So good that Joe did this.

And then all

the proverbial all hit the fan.

She started to stumbling.

There was grumbling, but they thought, well, she's still going to win the momentum.

I read these dishonest polls.

New York Times would not lie to me.

Sienna wouldn't lie to me.

Washington Post wouldn't lie to me.

Des Moines Register wouldn't lie to me.

And then she lost.

And all of a sudden, it's Joe's fault.

He's not George Washington anymore.

He's Dick Nixon who wouldn't leave when he was under pressure.

He's selfish and SOB.

Stupid Biden, his wife, Dr.

That's how they act.

So the same thing now with Soda Myir.

I remember when they nominate her and she said, as a Latina, I wrote a column and said she, I think she quoted, I am a Latina 32 times in a speech to Berkeley laws.

Wise Latina.

Wise Latina.

Wise Latina.

Yeah, wise Latina.

And she also said that if it's a question of a wise Latina and a white male, the white male will always come to the worst judicial decision because he doesn't have the empathy and the expect, the experience of the wise Latina.

So they was, she was the Obama canonized everybody.

Did she have a distinguished record as a lower-class judge?

No.

No, no, no, no, no.

She was going to be the first Latina, and she was.

So they canonized her.

And then they thought, you know what?

Donald Trump won.

And we never thought he was going to win.

And

that SOB will do a Ruth Bader Ginsburg or a Joe Biden on us.

So let's take that narrative and flip it.

She's no longer the voice of the oppressed.

She's no longer a person of color.

She's no longer the senior member of the noble opposition that's stopping the fascist six

justice republic.

She is selfish,

selfish.

And she's not.

And that's why she's on her deathbed also.

Yes, she's sick.

We hear rumors she has diabetes.

She's sick.

She's got to get out now.

And that's how they are.

They don't.

Believe me, there's people that are politicals in every party, but I don't think that people on the right would kick out Clarence Thomas.

No.

This is, you know, Orwell did this in 1984, right?

Oceania,

we're the allies today with Eurasia and on a dime.

They're the enemy, right?

You know, so this is this is how you do it.

This is how they do, man.

They're just all utility, utility, nothing is sincere.

There's no, it's all conditional on that, whether you're useful or not.

You know,

she married, first of all, my, she went to high school in the Bronx.

She's from the Bronx, so to me.

And my sister was, my brother-in-law was in her class in high school, but she married a guy from my neighborhood, a guy named Noonan,

who believed is a kind of a white Irish guy.

So

I think she's had some experience with

white men.

Anyway, Victor, what else we've got before the meltdowns?

Yeah, one thing I'd like to

just throw up there for you is

really interesting, kind of shocking interviews that this Lindy Lee is giving.

Yeah, I watched a couple of them.

She was with Will Kane.

I love Will.

Will's such a great guy.

And she's like, what the hell?

We raised a billion dollars.

We're 20 million short.

And I think we should get your thoughts on Donald Trump saying, maybe I'll cover the Democrat debt.

And

just

carpet bombing people within the DNC.

And wait a minute, I owe the truth to these donors.

I'm raising money for the this, the internals are close, yes, on election day.

She's going to win.

Oh, yeah, she's going to win.

So she just took no enemies immediately.

Your thoughts?

Yeah, she was on every, she's making a little career now of the insider.

And her narrative is that we an all conscious,

all good consciousness conscious

said

to our donors, if you give money, we're ahead.

And we have momentum.

And we need money.

So they just poured a billion dollars.

And I was part of that.

And now I realize that we had internal polls and we had such problems that we were spending the money so unwisely and extravagantly and wastefully that I feel that I was complicit in a fraud.

And I feel bad for the people who gave us money under circumstances of which had they known the truth, they wouldn't have given.

And she's very popular now.

But, you know, I'm pretty cynical.

I wish he had said that.

And I don't know

September 1st.

Now, I have to admit, I'm a Trump donor.

I've been the last three cycles.

And

I'm not a big donor, but I am.

You put your money where your mouth is.

And I

this news, you know, this is cool.

Donald Trump says, you know, we've, maybe we should cover the 18 to 20 million dollar debt, which I think there may be some kind of legal issues there not in the not in the covering the debt but

well if

listen some people who are serious unless they're being tongue-in-cheek are saying isn't this wow this is this is really i don't want my yeah i think you know my donations go i think i think it's basically the subtext is you had a billion dollars more than i did but you're wasteful crazy liberals that just waste money and i i beat you with a billion dollars less and i not only beat you with a billion dollars less, I have a surplus and you owe 20 million.

If you want to come to me and I can give you some money.

And that's not going to happen.

You may have discussed this with Sammy, but I didn't know this until recently.

Maybe I'm just an idiot.

I know maybe about it, that

the Harris campaign, they paid Oprah.

They were paying these

$1 million.

Yeah.

Like, what?

This is.

That brings up so many questions.

Here's a person person who's worth $3 billion.

Yeah.

$3 billion.

And

she's probably in this stock market getting, I don't know, 8 to 10%, right?

She made

pretty well the day after election day.

Yeah.

She was up 3%.

So she's probably getting 300 million bucks in interest or investments a year.

And do the math, how much she's making a day.

And the idea that she would charge,

and then that's one

bizarre element.

But the other is the journalistic integrity.

She did a town hall interview with her.

It was staged as if it was like a journalistic rather than a promotional event.

And so she was getting paid

as,

I mean, it wasn't like she was getting paid to be a moderator between two people.

She was getting paid.

uh with a by the person she was interviewing that would be as if

you know Donald Trump called me up and said, Victor, I would like to be on your podcast.

And I know you get paid with your ads and everything, but I'll tell you what I'll do.

I'll slip you a million bucks and maybe that'll get me a little better questions or maybe,

you know,

there's something wrong with that.

And if there's not something wrong, if Donald Trump said to me, okay, Victor, I'm going to give you a million dollars to interview me,

but don't tell anybody.

If it's nothing wrong, just tell everybody.

They didn't find out till post facto when it was on some obscure ledger of expenses.

And yeah, it was, they paid for everything.

They paid for actors.

I think they paid for Beyonce and all those

shows.

They did.

They paid for all the actors.

They didn't want to do it.

Nobody wanted to do it.

You know,

I don't think that they paid Joe Rogan anything.

I can't do it.

No.

I don't think

they paid anybody to endorse him.

And

it's, it just, there's something there about Camilla Harris that nobody wanted to give money to.

Nobody wanted to get involved with her.

She,

in private, she was said to be, Isocrates, the great rhetorician and philosopher, said the worst thing about the Persians, they're haughty to their inferiors and they're obsequious to their superiors.

I think

Churchill said something about the Germans are always either at your throat or at your feet.

And that's the way you get the impression that Harris is publicly to people in authority, very obsequious and compliant and to her aides.

I think she fired 95% of all of her vice presidential aides.

And just there's something about her as a candidate, whether her mediocrity or her personality, nobody wanted to work for her and nobody wanted to come out and get enthused about her.

You know, Victor, one of the things you do for your website, The Blade of Perseus, is you write these ultra articles.

And one of the series you've begun, and we're talking on

Sunday the 10th, and this podcast is up on the 14th.

So there may be other

well, I can't installments, but the first installment you're writing about, like, who's happy?

Who on the left is happy that

Kamala lost?

And we don't give away the article or the series again.

It's one of the ultra articles that subscribers read, but you do have in there that Willie Brown

is happy about,

would be happy.

Yeah, that wasn't a matter of, none of them are just Victor thinks this.

It was based on empirical data.

He wrote a series of op-eds.

in the San Francisco Chronicle.

I urge people to go back and read them because he somehow managed in these

encomia that were designed to praise her and to gin up support as her former paramour.

He was in his 60s and she was in her late 20s.

And they had this relationship where she ended up on,

you know, I don't know whether it's the state health board or real estate board, but they paid very well.

And she ended up on a couple of them.

And then he got her elected as city, county attorneys.

And then he just was

her spingali.

And the idea idea was that this young woman was having carnal relations with this older man who was married.

His wife would say, every once in a while, weigh in was kind of snark about, you know, you're not going to be up there in the podium when Willie's sworn in, you know, that mayor, that kind of stuff.

But anyway,

you got the impression.

that he felt as he got older and she got more powerful due to him, that there was a little bitterness.

So probably when he was 70 and get, you know, what 30 year, 33 year old woman wants to go with a 70 year old after you've milked him for all of his knowledge and contacts and influence?

Right.

So when he wrote that, he said something like, and she has a lot of experience.

She was on a lot of boards.

Did I tell you?

that I had her appointed.

And then he would say things like, she's tough.

She's not, she's tough on Lawn Order.

She even went after me.

Ha ha.

I wouldn't cross and stuff like that.

He just kept dropping personal anecdotes, but the point of them was to reinforce the narrative that they were having this sexual relationship.

He was the brains.

And in turn, for sexual gratification, he was training and grooming this young woman.

And now she, he really didn't hear from her anymore.

And she was,

and he was kind of a little bittersweet about it.

So to be to be charitable.

Yeah.

And so it was, it didn't help her is what I'm saying.

When you read these op-eds,

they were designed to show you why you should vote for her and why she's a good vice president and will be a good president.

This was, they started appearing, Jack, in 2019 during the primary.

And when you read them, you thought, oh my God,

she must have been around 28.

And she was living with Willie Brown when he was married.

And he was the speaker of the assembly.

I don't remember any reporters asking her about that on the campaign trail.

Well, they got so few opportunities.

No, it was just relegated to backroom jokes, like when

her husband says, one thing about Camilla, when she puts her head down, she goes to work.

That kind of stuff.

Yes.

Or Joe Biden said the other day, she's got a phone like a ramrod.

You know, people say, you know, she never has a sore back during sex.

Is that what you're saying?

I know.

I know it.

I mean, everybody, it wasn't her enemies that were saying this audience.

It was their friends.

Right.

And no one liked her.

No one liked her.

She was, you know, what her worst moment was

when she started bullying Kavanaugh.

That was horrible.

She just demagogued the Kavanaugh hearings and

she had no knowledge and she was just reprehensible.

The whole Me Too thing, I thought, you know what?

You made your career by attaching yourself in a sexual context to an older man

who you knew was probably not as interested in you in a symmetrical romantic relationship.

And then you're, you're lecturing this person as if he sexually harassed people.

And you're the expert on that.

And,

you know, it was just, I don't know, the whole thing was really bad.

And there was all these rumors that of the two sinners, Diane Feinstein had looked at this complaint and had surmised that Susan Blossy Ford was either crazy or

without knowledge to to lodge a believable complaint and was going to pass on it.

And then Camela smelled it and thought she could ride this Me Too horse all the way, you know, to prominence.

And she did.

Well, we should talk about Blasi Ford someday at length.

But right now, Victor, we've got

we're going to follow up on something you mentioned at the our previous podcast that the Democratic Party is in danger of

going over the cliff or imploding with their inability and some level to accept what happened the other day or why it happened.

And we've got some

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So, Victor,

two incidents.

Here's that happened this week.

One is on CNN.

There's an epic

meltdown by this Jay Michelson, who's a lefty Rolling Stone columnist, author, and a rabbi.

So there's a black Republican strategist on this panel.

I don't know, this seemed like six or so people, Shermichael Singleton, and he dared to say this about, I don't believe boys should play girls' sports and

talking about how this kind of, this was a reason, one of the reasons that voters elected Donald Trump.

And Michelson immediately jumped on him.

And I have to believe

many of our listeners have seen this.

And he started talking about transphobia.

I'm not going to accept this.

And then the host of this panel kind of talked down on

a singleton.

So that you cannot still, after

what happened on Election Day, and on top of that, Victor, all the kind of scientific news that we're getting about just how evil this

slicing and dicing young boys and girls are

is proving that the theologians like Jay Michelson of the left on cable still are holding to these insane non-normal views.

I think if

they remain the voice of the Democrat Party, that's what it comes off as, this is just further disaster.

And we have one other episode to talk about.

So, yeah,

I heard that clip and, you know,

he screamed something to the effect, you know, they're not boys.

I'm not going to listen to transphobia.

And he said you called a trans girl

a boy.

So

he's saying they're a third sex because he didn't say they're girls.

He said they're trans girls.

So what is the difference then in his mind?

Because I thought that if you really, that they are now completely girls and therefore permissible.

But if he says they're trans girls, that means they're not, I guess he means that they're biological males.

So he's not apparently objecting

that

Shermichael didn't say, well, they're biological males rather than just boys.

But what the point was, is that

these trans girls have male genitalia and they have a male muscular skeletal system.

When they play contact sports, and some of these sports like, you know, lacrosse or soccer or

basketball even, and especially volleyball or wrestling or boxing, as we've seen on the national, international scene, they have enormous advantages.

So they're not girls,

unless you think that girls play,

that

boys can play girls.

sports and not people with a muscular skeletal frame that is male don't have advantages.

And

wouldn't, Jay, why would you think that we don't have a huge rush of boys who transgender

into women?

We have boys who transgender into women.

Why do you think that they excel in female sports, but we have all these women who are transitioning into males?

So why isn't it a topic right now?

Why don't we say, this isn't fair.

We have all these transgendered males that were biological females and they bring increased what to the football or basketball or baseball or boxing or volleyball.

Why is it just

one direction?

In other words, male to female, but not female to male.

Is it because that females have reached the age of puberty and they have

or genetically they have a smaller frame,

a less sophisticated or large muscular skeletal frame, frame.

And therefore,

in general, I'm not talking about everybody, but in general, they have less bodily strength than males, and therefore they don't perform well in male sports.

Maybe, maybe.

So there is something different, isn't there?

So

what is the felony that the target of his attack?

He said

boys in girls' locker rooms, and he was supposed to say what?

Transgendered girls or just girls?

and if he just says girls I don't think that would have been sufficient if he said transgendered girls then it's just a linguistic problem

because they still have male genitalia male shoulders male thigh muscles male everything and that that's the point

the point is that if they compete in female sports, they bring innate advantages that other girls don't have.

And if they compete in male sports, then they're accorded as girls, then they're accorded certain facility rights.

And one of them will be going in and showering, et cetera, et cetera, with male genitalia.

And you know what's so funny about this?

It's not funny.

It's kind of disturbing, is that this takes place at just the period that we have redefined sexuality where it's in a way that

it's, you know, we were saying that when i was growing let me be very careful when i was growing up when i was in high school there was a person in our high school who had a liaison he was 16 and he had a liaison with our english teacher and there was another case i won't get into the other case excuse me was this a woman and a boy yes yes but there was a a man too and a younger girl

But in those days, that wasn't considered sexual predatation, right?

It was, I'll be frank, on the case of the boy, it was kind of like, wow,

he got

an experienced, good-looking teacher,

you know, and then they married, and then they kind of hushed it up and they, she left, and they married.

Okay.

And there was no, that was the end of it.

Right.

And the same thing with the other situation.

They just said, you know,

and I don't agree with that.

But my point is that has changed now where we became hypersensitive to anybody under the age of sexuality.

In other words, pre-adult teenagers or even pre-teens.

We said that they have to be sheltered from all sorts of sexual contact and sexual experience and

sexual shocks.

And that's fine.

But there is nothing more shocking for a young nine-year-old or 10-year-old or 12-year-old or 13-year-old who has never seen a male genitalia and never had seen testicles and a phallus to all of a sudden see that

right right there naked and i don't think and yet in this particular case we just wave it we just say you know what that's fine in fact if you object and you think that uh young girls can't handle it then you're a you're a transphobe.

And so

the whole situation is contradictory.

And all he was saying was, he didn't say he approved of it.

He didn't say he disapproved of it.

All he said was it might explain one, and he didn't say it was a chief one.

He said there were a lot of reasons that the Democrats did not have a winning message.

And among them was this idea that biological,

he said boys

because he was referring to their biological,

and they are boys biologically by their shoulders and their muscles and their genitalia, unless they are boys, whether you want to say so or not.

Maybe

they're boys trapped.

They're women trapped in a boy's body.

Right.

But are but

similarly, Seth Moulton, I think is his name,

maybe you saw this story, Massachusetts congressman, said something along the same lines and was immediately vilified within his party.

And I think that to be very cynical, you can see the Republicans are delighted.

They just want this to continue and continue and continue because they're basically saying,

you know, until the Democrats tried to get a vestigial civil rights issue, among the population, those who suffered from ancient and well-chronicled gender dysphoria were about 0.0001%

of the population.

And that's their constituency.

And they're willing to offend in a most fundamental way 99% of the population in theory.

And it's not a civil rights issue.

It's an issue about young people who are not

either not experienced with nudity or sexuality, and they're put in situations that are not comfortable.

Or two, they're young women who have spent their entire lives excelling in sports and training and sacrificing either to get college scholarships one day or to be a professional athlete and their hopes and dreams are destroyed by these mediocre men that transition, mediocre male athletes that transition into female sports and voila, they're all of a sudden,

you know, winners.

And that's something very unfair.

That's all he was trying to say.

The fact that you had this kind of elite, snarky professor IV league type guy talking to an African-American guy as if he was

nobody and trying to argue from authority.

And they always do that.

Who cares?

We know what the American Medical Association has said lately.

All these people have been on record about the quarantines and the origins of COVID and the vaccinations.

Oh, these are the same people that said, if you get two of the Moderna vaccinations, we can tell you one thing: you are not infectious and you will not be infected.

And there are no side effects, even though it is an experimental genetic engineering technique.

That's who told us that.

Well, but he sort of,

he, Michelson, the lefty here, and this is CNN 5-6 people.

And, you know, the tenor of it was that,

what's his name?

Sure, Michael had to, Singleton had to had to back

down.

Had to shut up.

I'm talking.

Who are you?

It was.

I mean,

I'm not, anybody knows that I'm not ever playing the race car,

and I don't like DEI, but the way that he talked

as if he was the imperious expert, and how dare you I am, the sophisticated academic, author, rabbi,

your intellectual superior.

And so all he had to do was just say, excuse me, when we talk about

this very controversial issue, can we kind of be very careful about the terms?

You said, boys, I think what you meant was transgendered women that are biologically in some aspects still boys, and then left it there.

Just a point of interest.

But he couldn't do that.

He was like almost the stereotype.

If you were an African-American who didn't know anything and you were looking at this, you would say, here's some arrogant white guy who interrupts and won't let this African-American guy even finish, treats him like an idiot, and then when he very politely tries to continue, he interrupts him again, and then the liberal host has to intervene and kind of out of the corner of her eye thinks, wow.

I don't want this crazy nut to scream at me.

So then she chastises him.

And it was just, and this is on the liberal CNN.

And it was just a bad show.

It really was.

Well, volume, table pounding, et cetera, matter.

By the way, Victor, I know many people love you because

you speak calmly, clearly.

There's no thumping of the table, et cetera.

And that, you know, that carries,

that persuades people.

When you lose your temper, you lose your argument.

He lost his temper, but it was not that he lost his temper.

He showed who he really is, a arrogant, half-educated,

entitled person.

And it also showed you a glimpse into the dark side of the left.

He's a very hard leftist.

And we have talked throughout this show that a lot of leftists

boilerplate rhetoric disguises their arrogance and that arrogance entitles that they think that other minorities that they help.

And we've seen this hundreds of times since the election in the first 10 days.

How dare you black men

dare vote when you don't know what's in your interest?

Even the idea that black women

were

being alienated from black men was only accentuated after the election because they were

parroting the narrative of wealthy white people.

And it was almost as like the wealthy white people on the left were saying to the black woman, hey, you guys, you better than anybody can go talk down to the black men because 25, maybe percent of them didn't know what was good for them.

They're either sexist or they're stupid or they're uneducated.

And by the way, you guys are educated because we know that black women with bachelor's degrees pretty much agreed with us.

And we know that black men

without college degrees didn't.

So you, we've tasked you to go talk to them.

And that's what the black woman at CNN did, who was the moderator.

She really,

and all he was doing was trying to be

just normal.

Normal.

Normal.

That guy, that Jay Michelson just came off as a complete buffoon.

Yeah.

But he's, but, but, you know, that may still be the, as I said before, theologian.

He may be one of the

holders of the sacred documents there.

Everybody should know.

I think everybody, that was,

this election was about people like him who can't make an argument on common sense and personal experience and empathy for people's plight.

And he doesn't have any empathy for transgendered or any, or much less the people who dress young girls or dressing with biological males.

He has no empathy for them.

So what he does is he always appeals to like-minded authorities, American Miracles, the American Psychiatric Association, just like 51 intelligence authorities have assured us that this laptop was a product of Russian disinformation.

How dare you question that?

It was people like James Clapper, former director of national intelligence, it was John Brennan, CIA director, it was Leon Panetta,

not only CIA, but also he was the Secretary of Defense, and it was Mike Morrell.

He was the interim head of the CIA.

And then we have 16 noble laureates that said that the Inflation Reduction Act will not be reactionary.

And now they say we've got 15, and now they say Donald Trump's ideas will be inflationary.

That's how they think.

You know, if you go, anybody spends time in academia, it's always the...

the appeal to authority.

Well, you know, I don't know how many conversations I've had the last 20 years.

And it goes something like this.

Well, we're considering candidates, and I'm a little bothered.

I don't know how to say this, but I noticed that

his BA was at Oklahoma State.

And how did he ever get to Princeton for his PhD work?

Now, I know that

we don't really,

you know, we don't really, you know, undergraduate degrees, but I'm really troubled about the Oklahoma State degree.

I just don't think that

it's what we want.

And I don't know how we did it.

And then, you know, another thing,

I looked at this file, and Professor Smith, who was on the Nobel nominating committee for literature, has said, if you look very carefully at the letter, he says that there might be little traces of that Oklahoma background intruding into his scholarship and demeanor.

I'm not saying that I agree with that, but you know, when you have these people with Professor Smith, who is basically known as the world's expert on the

early plays of Aristophanes,

I can't, you know, that's how they deal with it.

Sounds like the names were changed to protect the innocent here.

I think this is probably a real case study.

Yeah, I've had about five recent doses of it.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's just repugnant.

Why can't you just judge a man or a woman on how go read if they're if you're an academic read their book don't say that he wrote a lot of books right ten bad books are

a lot worse than one good book or i know some of the most brilliant students i ever had went to cal state fresno really i'm serious and some of the stupidest people i have ever met in my life were graduate students in phd program at stanford They couldn't read Greek if you put a gun to their head, and they were Greek students.

So

don't judge people by their cattle brand

or don't appeal.

When you're losing an argument, don't appeal to some group of like-minded frauds like 51 intelligence authorities or the American Medical Association.

We went through that with Anthony Fauci and the Wuhan Lab league.

That wouldn't be from the

Wuhan Lab because experts under Peter Dasick's direction at Lancet did an independent investigation and they were some of the greatest luminaries in the field of immunology.

And then, you know, okay, I'm dumb.

You guys are smart.

I didn't know.

And then, like, a year later, Lancet withdraws the argument because they were all frauds.

Well, let's wrap this up.

We've got a few minutes left here, Victor, and repeal.

You mentioned Princeton.

We've talked about academia.

And I mentioned before a meltdown.

And here's the second meltdown.

Anyone who's taken the time to flip around the channels and landed on MSNBC may have seen

Princeton professor Eddie Glaw.

I think he says his name Glaw.

He's always on and he's always

very sanctimonious and

he's also a black man.

So we were talking about before about,

and it plays into this.

He was on the nightcap with Stephanie Rule and he attacked her.

Now, she ain't no conservative for saying, she said that voters were starting to say voters were furious over inflation and the cost of things.

And he countered he immediately got head shaking no and inter interrupted said that um

implied that this was all about racism that whiteness whiteness is under threat then he said something about these voters sitting home and racially watching racially ambiguous children on cheerios commercials um and they knew that they were voting for a convicted felon.

So it it had to be not a convicted felon convicted felon that was all that word right there was half of the reason why alvin bragg and latita james and

eugene carroll and jack smith bought all these suits just so they could say convicted felon so idiots like him could mouth and parrot that and then i'll just wrap this up by saying um

obviously they wouldn't they that's they wouldn't vote for a convicted felon unless they were really voting against a black woman.

People don't want to believe what the country actually is because if they believe it, they're going to have to confront what's in them themselves.

Have you ever noticed this?

He was just like he's one of the kings of MSNBC.

I know it.

I know it.

And you look at you look at people who interview.

Have you ever noticed there's a divide?

When you have these interviews of whether it's formal by legacy media or whether it's some guy for CNN CNN or Fox trying to get controversial statements on the street.

When they interview African-American and there's some person who's working, a working class person, or they may not seem so sophisticated, or they're just, and they're very, very

open

and they'll say something.

And let's say they're going to vote for Donald Trump.

But the point is, whether they're voting for Donald Trump or not, they give you the rational, right answer.

I can't afford to fill up gas.

I can't afford to eat meat.

My insurance statement came and I'm dropping comprehensive coverage on my car.

I can't afford to pay my property tax anymore.

I can't afford

the deductible this.

They give you practical.

And then if they interview someone on the left, it's always somebody who's a lawyer or a PhD or Ivy League.

and

they,

because of their privilege, their money, their title, the type of work, they never say that.

They never

can understand why anybody would make those considerations because it doesn't affect them.

They're exactly the same as Stephanie Ruhl and all the other.

There's no, what I'm trying to get at is, we're talking about class now, not race.

Some of the most racist, entitled, snobbish people I've met have been black academics and black lawyers.

And some of the best common sense, working class, well-rounded have been black middle class people.

And the same is true of whites and Latinos, Hispanics, whatever term we warn you.

What I'm getting at is

These people that are interviewing don't understand that we're in the midst of a radical transformation in this country.

We are finally actually getting over race.

When you look at this election and you see 25% of black males or 50, 50 Latinos in some states, even Asians are starting to vote in a way that does not reflect what the left tells them to do.

It shows you that class and

practical issues are more important than this boutique identity politics, DEI,

self-interested stuff pushed down everybody's throat by the beneficiaries of it.

Financially beneficiary.

Yeah.

It's basically an argument of people on the Titanic in academia and media, black, white, brown, and they're all arguing with each other about who gets to be the network anchor, who gets to be hired as the chairman, who gets to

be

the top dog in the round table in the corporate boardroom, and the the white, black, Latino stuff.

It's all among them.

And then they project that

enhanced argument by saying that these people are racist.

These white middle class people are, if you're white, you say these white middle class people are Joy Reed, they're racist.

Or if you're black, you'll say, well, those lower class people are, they suffer from a Marxist false consciousness.

What's the matter with Kansas?

They don't have my intelligence to see what's really in my interest.

Well, they're right about not about the intelligence, but they're right that they're making their own decisions on their interests since they don't care about the price of food or they don't care about their jobs because they have tenure.

And so for their, the point is this election was about furthering and perpetuating racial polarization and privilege so that they could play

perpetual victims and get promotions and get an edge over their like-minded white or Hispanic or whatever counterpart.

They were right about that.

It is about self-interest.

If you're middle class of any color, you want to be able to have a middle class, buy a home, two cars, affordable food,

clothing, fuel, and not be broke at the end of the month.

If you're an elite, then it's all about prestige and musical chairs with titles and compensation above 200,000 or something, whether you're black or white.

So that is the divide that a guy like Ellie Mistal

or this Michelson guy, whatever it doesn't matter, they're all the same.

They all come from the same milieu, and they're attacking people that are all the same now.

They're middle class, and they're all supposedly stupid because they don't vote.

We haven't really seen this.

It was always

directed at the white middle class and lower.

That's who the deplorables, the irredeemables, the chumps, the clingers, and the chumps and the dregs were.

And now, guess what?

You can have black irredeemables.

You can have black chumps.

You can have black dregs.

And that's what they're calling black people.

And they're calling Latino people that.

So welcome.

This is great.

We have an ecomenical clinger and irredeemable class now.

I'm glad that we're all together.

Yeah.

Well, this is, we've come a long way from white Hispanic, you know, so this is.

Yeah, and now we all know who's calling us those names.

Yeah, it is Barack Obama, a black man.

It is

Hillary Clinton, a white woman.

It is people of the same class.

So when Michelle jets out, and I don't know which one they came out, maybe you want to bet, was it from Calorama, or was it from Martha's Vineyard, or was it from the new

Hawaii Beach house, or was it the, I don't think it was the six-room mansion, six-bedroom mansion in Chicago, but whatever mansion Obama's private jetted into the campaign and told black men that they were sexist and racist and did not know what was good for them, they were no different than white people talking the same way.

They're the same as white wealthy people.

They're indistinguishable.

Obama has a lot more in common, a lot more in common with the white techie executive that's worth a billion dollars dollars than he does those African-American men he was saying were stupid to vote for Trump.

Yeah.

I imagine if he walked into the barbershop that Trump went into, the reaction would have been noticeably different.

It hasn't fully developed.

It's just starting.

It's going to accelerate because people, once a black male starts to question this,

you're trying to, anybody.

would try to explore this.

And once a white elite starts to look at this or a black elite starts to see this and it starts to be true then it becomes more true and then you go back in your own experience said yeah now i can see what i was experiencing and you know our problem

is not it's not going to be race it's going to be a bicostal out of touch arrogant overly empowered elite who does not deserve the deference that they exercise.

They're not that talented.

At At some level, they know it's coming, Victor, and that's why the state

screening is the volume's up.

We have created a rigged system where if you go to a particular school, you have particular titles, alphabet, letters after your name, you have a particular resume, you're married to a particular person,

you come out of a particular zip code.

Do you therefore think that you

lawfully, fairly, judiciously have earned the right to exercise power and to ridicule people and to talk down and to rig the system in your favor.

And before that was always called white privilege.

And now we're saying it's not white privilege.

It's black privilege.

It's Latino privilege.

It's white privilege.

And you know what?

There is racial segmentation on that elite because the white people thought

they're talking about the deplorable white guys from East Palestine.

But now I see that my Latino and black brothers to get my anchor job or get my chairman of the department, they're after me.

And vice versa, I'm after them.

And so

it's starting to really create shared interest.

And the Democrats were the party of the middle class

not only didn't see this, they didn't want to see it, and they have ceded the entire upper, middle, and lower middle classes over to the Republicans of all different races.

And if Republicans are smart,

and they will say to Bill Crystal, I was just going to say, go ahead.

Yeah, they will say to Bill Crystal and George Will and David From, you know what, we like you guys.

We do not want to refight this, but there's no need for you to be Republican.

This is a party that your whole life we had it wrong.

We thought that you really believed in free markets, deregulation,

no DEI,

Jacksonian, no better friend, no worse enemy defense.

But you didn't.

You were a Republican because you were an elitist and you thought that you were entitled.

And now, this party that hasn't changed that much, when you look at a rally, they're still yelling for your positions, closed borders, your old positions, right to have a gun, skepticism about a ninth month abortion,

trust the people with lower taxes and less deregulation, but you don't like that because you don't like them because they don't look like you, they don't talk like you, they don't sound like you.

So now you've gone over to the place where you belong and where you always belong was a cultural niche because you're basically a snob.

and you're basically judgmental and you're basically mediocre.

So you went over to the left because they are the party of the wealthy entitled with all the prestige.

They control all the institutions.

And for you, it wasn't a big problem to switch your supposed convictions.

You just flipped them over to because what was more important was the culture.

So you're back with the wealthy bicosta elite and you're happier now because they will review your books and New York Review books.

You can go to Georgetown.

You can be asked to be on Meet the Press, all of that stuff.

And that's what was important to you.

And

you just change the, you know, is this a matter?

Oh, what do I have to do?

Okay.

I'm for open borders.

Oh, I'm for woman rights to choose, abortion, you know, in ninth month.

I don't care.

Oh, confiscate gun.

That's just nothing.

I'm with the right people.

I do not want to be with these orange McDonald's type crazy.

I don't think this is correct Latin, Victor, but snobbio ergo sum i think that's uh

yeah and that's and that applies to minorities too see that's what that is so interesting yeah i want to be with the obamas

or kamala but i don't want to be with some black guy with an accent southern accent that is a taxi driver in downtown chicago right you know i don't really want to hang out with that guy same thing with hispanics i went to stanford university and i did this and that, and I don't not want to hang out with great pickers from Mendota.

But maybe white people do of that class.

That's what's so weird about it.

And somebody's going to see this truth and going to be a fabulously successful politician and party.

I'm just waiting for a Mexican-American roofer

or a Mexican-American contractor who talks about his white and black colleagues and the middle class without distinguishing people, privileging them or demonizing them on the basis of race, but how they can't make it and run against a very, very

elite Polish Gavin Newsome or Camela Hare or somebody like that.

They would win, man.

They would win.

I think we should try to locate.

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uh yeah

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We're in 43, 44 of the war, so we're going to talk about the Guadalcanal.

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