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I know you discussed that and wisely so with the great Sammy Wink.

But I'm just wondering now as

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Victor, my friend,

it's only a few days since the Brett Baer interview with Kamala Harris, but do you think it has aged at all, aged well for Brett Baer, aged badly for Kamala?

What are your thoughts?

Well, in these interviews, Two things determine, in my opinion,

what makes an interview or a debate or a town hall

age well.

And one, whether we like it or not, Jack, it's the sound bites.

And number two is the demeanor.

So in the Trump debate, I think the consensus was he lost the debate.

But the sound bites of the relative answering the questions

favored.

him because he gave detailed questions.

She just stonewalled.

And that was really the first time people,

in large numbers had seen her stonewall.

The second thing was that when he was speaking, I mean,

he was angry and he got baited.

I understand that.

But she did that little thinker thing where she puts her knuckles under her chin and she gestured and then she cackled.

And it didn't age as well.

So within three weeks, there were people on the right claiming that Trump won the debate, even though the polls didn't suggest so.

But the more important thing, that bounce she got of one to two points dissipated.

Now, I don't know if that was because people reappraised the debate, which I think they did, or was that he was doing better on the campaign trail.

When you look at this interview,

the sound bites were terrible for her.

She lost her temper.

She was angry.

She frowned.

She was petulant.

And that shattered that illusion.

that we had of her.

I didn't, you didn't, but we being the American people that they so

carefully cultivated.

Well, yeah, she's weak on the issues, but she's really upbeat.

It's a campaign of joy.

She's a smiley, nice, kind person.

She wasn't.

She was petulant.

She was angry.

She was off-putting.

She frowned.

It was almost as if, how dare you answer me these questions?

Don't you know I have a right to stonewall?

That kind of attitude.

So that didn't.

That didn't

age well her demeanor.

The second thing is she didn't answer any questions, but this was the first time that people pointed that out explicitly.

So in those sound bites, it was, you didn't, could you please tell me how many people have crossed the board?

Would you please tell me?

And when she stonewalled those sound bites don't look good, and that's what was replayed.

They dropped all pretense,

Jack, that she won that interview, they being her campaign.

And Ms.

Chavez, the campaign manager, reportedly, there's no verification, it it was just an internet posting by a lot of people that she called up and got very angry.

And then added to the fact that Brett Baer, after out the corner of his eye for a second, was distracted.

Then he clarified that distraction by saying that your people are wanting to mean to stop this, but I just tried to.

And then she kind of interrupted him again and said, Go to my website.

But they were waving their hands reportedly.

So they didn't want that to continue.

That was their opinion, not ours.

They just didn't want that to continue.

And then after that

interview, it was a debate in a way because they were back and forth.

And he was debating her better than Trump did on the first debate, to tell you the truth.

But after that interview,

she did go down one or two points to the point now where for the first time in the national polls aggregate, he's ahead.

And when you look at all of the aggregate polls, maybe except for Wisconsin, he's pulled even or ahead, slightly, but even or ahead.

And the consensus, general opinion, is if he's even in the polls, he's three or four points ahead.

And that's a sufficient margin to correct for, how shall we say, the taboo word now, in election denialism, interference, irregularities.

That's what their big talking point this week is.

Oh, you're an election denialist.

And I see that where I work a lot in Stanford campus.

I notice everybody's saying election denialism, election, and that's a sign that you're not supposed to bring up

the transformation from 30% mail-in balloting in 2016 to the present 70%.

You're just not supposed to talk about that, or you're a denialist.

Relation to that, Stacey Abrams, remember,

I could not believe that, Jack.

Was it $2 billion in federal funds that she got for her various fronts?

Nice work if you can get it, Victor.

Yeah.

I mean, mean, they were ostensibly things like environmentalism, but they were really about getting out the vote.

And that's why if any of you are listening and you're a never-Trumper or you think Trump's too crude, it's not about that.

It's about things like the U.S.

government giving $2 billion to a failed perennial election denial of Stacey Abrams to warp the vote in Georgia.

And by the way, giving it to her through a nonprofit.

Yes.

It's a perversion of our our laws.

She's the principal

guider of that nonprofit.

So

this election is about the issues and about the administrative state and what can't go on won't go on.

And we're about ready.

We're at that point now

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Hey, Victor,

I just have have to

get a little, we weren't being fact-checked by one of our listeners.

When you and I were last speaking,

last podcast between us, we were talking about these Kamala Harris men,

about men ads, where half of them were these, you know, kind of,

I don't know, light in the loafer actors.

But one of them, one of the actors in that ad talked about carburetors.

And listener Richard Borquist wrote, he said, the last year of widespread use of carburetors was 1986.

So thanks for that info.

And it's, isn't it kind of ridiculous, a victor of

the Democrats trying to make use of,

I don't know, I was still using a manual typewriter in 1986.

Yeah,

I guess, Tim, all those commercials were going to remind us that

I'm a real man.

I have roll-up windows.

I'm a real man.

I don't have a catalytic converter in my car.

I'm a real man.

I have have a radio or I have a four-track tape.

It's silly.

That was counterproductive.

Hiring these actors, they always hire actors to do stuff.

She does.

It's just, you know, to use a phrase of the left, the walls are closing in.

It's a bomb.

They really are on her.

And it's so eerie how it's following the pattern of 2019 when she did that Oakland rally, young, vivaceous black woman,

money pouring in from Hollywood and Silicon Valley, bare area left-wing person.

She was going to run to the left of everybody, not in the center then, because she's an opportunist.

And then people got to see her.

After about three or four debates, they said, no, no, no, no, no.

She's an empty pantsuit.

And then she didn't even enter her primary.

And everybody this time said,

Don't get rid of Joe Biden.

You'll have her.

She's Spier All Agnew Insurance Policy, just like Nixon.

And then they got rid of Biden and they forgot that.

They said, that was then, this is now.

She's got the mind of Hillary Clinton.

She's got the charisma of Obama.

She is just dynamite.

And she shot ahead.

And you thought, well, been there, done that.

Let's watch.

And now she's slowly imploding.

And now Joe Biden was caught with that.

I can't say it was a hot mic.

It was a lip reader's interpretation of Joe talking to Barack when he basically said, I was stronger than she was.

And

isn't that what he said?

Yeah, stronger from a basement, I guess.

Maybe she should have stayed in the basement, too.

That reminds me of the person who asked Madame Pompadour.

I think it was her, but my readers will correct me.

I'm doing this by memory.

You know, the Duke of Wellington, Arthur Wellesley, was a womanizer.

So after Waterloo, he visited a very well-known prostitute or a woman of the salons.

And somebody was asked her who was the better lover.

And Napoleon, who had visited her, or

Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington, he said, Les plus forte.

The Duke was the more stronger.

So that's what Biden was saying.

I was the stronger.

I was the stronger candidate.

And what he was really saying, of course, is, ah, you, Barack, you, the reason he said that to Barack, you engineered my removal.

You're going to regret it.

And you're going to regret it because

ever ever so insidiously, incrementally, incrementally, I'm putting on a MAGA hat.

I'm telling everybody that DeSantis did a great job.

I'm doing this and that.

And you're going to regret it.

Actually, it came as a as a came up as a...

maybe possibly believable joke at the Al Smith dinner by Jim Gaffigan talking about a small number of

older Democrats who might vote for Trump, the Biden family.

So,

amongst other interesting things discussed at that event.

Maybe we should get your thoughts on some of the stuff about.

Are you going to use your Catholic insight on this for us?

No, Victor, I'm going to.

This is called the Victor Davis Answer.

Okay.

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Victor, I know our listeners know the Al Smith dinner.

This thing exists every four years.

Al Smith, named for the former governor of New York, happy warrior, ran for the Democrat candidate for president in 1928.

And the dinner raises funds for a foundling hospital.

Half the people up on the dais, by the way, are left-wing pro-abortion activists.

And I find it a little strange them raising money for a hospital that cares about children, like the ones that have escaped the scalpel and the suction machines that these folks,

when they're legislating,

advocate for.

But all that aside,

as we know, Kamala Harris did not show up.

And strangely, I thought Jim Gaffigan, the comedian who was the host, who a few, do you remember a few years ago, he went on this tirade attacking Trump?

And I would have thought like, wow, they've got an anti-Trumper two host.

But he

like drilled a new one for the for the Harris,

Kamala Harris and the family.

And then Trump got up and, oh my gosh, did he carpet bomb Chuck Schumer, who was sitting right next to the dais,

right next to the podium?

I thought that was a

terrific.

And some of the jokes, the fun, many funny ones, Victor, and I'll shut up after this, get your take, is Trump saying something about Democrats, leftists, thinking that men have periods, and I didn't agree with them until I met Tim Walls, which was just kind of like, wow, really borderline blue humor.

Yeah, Tim Walls said he doesn't matter that Tim Walls didn't come.

He'll say he did.

That was good.

Yeah.

That was very funny because then she did this,

as you pointed out, this pathetic skit.

She always had to have actors props.

I don't know what it is, her celebrity obsessed personality or her Los Angeles, her Hollywood proximity to her home.

I don't know, but it doesn't work.

And then she took off on her absence by claiming this week's talking point,

besides election denialism on the part of Trump, was that he's old.

He's tired.

He's 78.

His mic went out.

He just stood there dumbfounded.

He danced like he was crazy.

The guy is working 18 hours a day.

He's going to six and seven and eight events.

How can you say that he's tired and he's senile when he shows up after like six events that day to an evening dinner and you won't even show up?

Right.

And I just, to fact check her, I went back and looked at the number of as of last week, media interview.

It's like 75 to, it was 75 to 8.

Now she's done, it's up to the high 30s.

So he's done double the amount of interviews, town halls.

She did one town hall, and we've talked about that.

She had a teleprompter.

How many times did she tell us the most comatose man in America was

Joe Biden was a man of great vitality?

So her taste.

Brett Barr asked her that.

It's always the same answer.

I'm not Joe Biden.

I'm not Joe Biden.

You were the one that assured us that he was, you were in meetings and he was superb, dynamic, sharp as a tack, fit as a fiddle.

So her credibility, what I'm trying to get at, her credibility to adjudicate people who are

cognitively challenged is zero because everybody knows that Biden, I mean,

to take her logic, Biden is very wonderful and he's sharp as a tack.

And then he debated Donald Trump, who just sat there and watched him melt down because he couldn't process information and

performed fine.

And now,

not Biden, but Trump is the one that's cognitively challenged.

It makes no sense.

People know that.

They're tired of it.

You know,

I was reading a long essay by our former colleague, Andy McCarthy, which

I did not understand it.

I didn't either.

His point was that...

and this is in connection with that interview,

that I think it was that his argument was that she has a tactics problem, that

she has to make the race a referendum on Trump and not the Trump administration.

Well, she is making it on the Trump administration.

She is making it on Trump.

What does he think she's been saying every day, Andy?

She's been calling him a tyrant.

She's been calling him a fascist.

She's been calling him the orchestrator of the greatest coup since the Civil War.

Come on.

And

she doesn't really talk about the Trump administration criticizing it.

She never really does.

All she does is that Trump, to the degree that she criticizes it, Trump enacted policies that I support.

And now we've got Bob Casey basically running ads in Pennsylvania that he's a Trumpster.

So

Andy's point was, well, Trump had, most people feel Trump had a pretty good four years,

and yet she's criticizing that, but she's not Andy.

She's on the border.

She's Trump on crime now.

She's not talking about her support for the California $950 exemption for shoplifting.

She's not talking about her support for defunding the police.

She's not talking about her support for the rioting and demonstrations where she said this will not stop.

She's not talking about her bailing out.

She's talking as if she's prosecutor from California,

has attorney general, that kind of stuff.

Come on.

I don't know what got into him when you write that, but then his argument gets, then it takes a very strange turn.

He says, and she should attack Trump because he should be disqualifiable because of what he did on January 6th.

Question I have.

You've got a bunch of people out

and you're the president after the election.

It's probably, I don't know, 150,000.

And you tell them,

I expect you to walk over to the Capitol, peacefully, assemble peacefully and patriotically, and make your voices heard.

I know that it was reckless for him to say anything.

I understand that.

And I understand that

people have no business entering a Capitol that's supposed to be closed.

But there's enough weird things about

that date.

When Matthew Rosenbaum, the Pulitzer

prize-winning New York

journalist who, New York Times journalist,

yes, and he says that he saw FBI informants everywhere when nobody inside the Capitol had a firearm inside the Capitol, when they had to lie and say five police officers were killed, when only one died naturally, and the only certifiable violent death, maybe a protest, another one was trampled.

But other than Officer Sicknick, all four died.

The additional deaths were Trump supporters, and one was shot for the misdemeanor of breaking through a window unarmed.

And didn't really, a five-foot-three person does not pose any threat to people.

And then to cover up the identity of the shooter, and then to lie about the circumstances, then to have the January 6th Committee and not let traditionally the Speaker of the House nominate the minority members.

And then to have only two never-Trumpers that all they had in common is they hate on the committee.

They hate Trump and they had no chance of ever being reelected.

And they were, you know, they were pariahs.

And then they put the pariahs and there was information that was suppressed and is missing about testimonies presented in private with affidavits and interrogatories, et cetera, by that committee.

And then, of course, we have the people who were put in preventive detention

given these inordinate sentences.

And my final Wendy point is juxtapositioned to 120 days of rioting, 2 billion in damaged, federal courthouse torched, police precinct torch, iconic church

torch, trying to get at the president and physically injure him, sending him into a bunker.

14,000 people arrested, not 600 or 700, 14,000.

Not five people dying, 35 people dying, not damaging the Capitol desk, but $2 billion.

Nobody tried to light the Capitol with people in it.

They did what Rashida Tlaib did.

They went in and staged an illegal demonstration and occupied the rotunda, which they shouldn't have done.

So my point is, and then

can you add to it, Victor?

Because

Tamala Harris,

what she said.

She didn't say, assemble peacefully and patriotically.

This is not going to stop.

It shouldn't stop.

This is a movement.

It's going to go on.

And she went on and on on Colbert.

And that wasn't just to 100,000 people.

That was to 2 or 3 million people and probably 10 to 20 when the clips were aired nationwide.

And she said that.

And then she tried to bail out, or she did.

She suggested people donate via her social media posting to the Minnesota Bailout Fund that was going to bail out leftists convicted of violent acts.

So

I wish Andy would just say, is that disqualifiable for a person who was going to be vice president to egg on demonstrations, counting on people like Snopes and all these left-wing fact-checkers to say, oh, wait a minute now.

Yes, there was violence going on this whole time.

Yes, Washington was in flames, but she was very precise.

Well, we interpret she was precise.

She meant peaceful demonstrations.

She said protest.

She didn't say violence.

No, no, no, no, no.

She's talking about the whole ball of wax.

And that's that's why she, and she even threatened it.

She said it's not going to stop until, and it should, and this is the key word, it should not stop.

So all I'm asking, I'm not criticizing Andy.

I like him.

I've known him a long time, but all I'm asking of all these commentators, and this came up, I gave a talk yesterday on the Stanford campus.

And somebody asked me about January 6th, and I tried to make the same point.

I condemn January 6th, but I like to put it in the context of what the left has been doing doing as far as violent protests.

It doesn't even measure one day of what was going on in Minneapolis.

So, I mean, after all, we've got a vice presidential candidate.

He didn't say assemble peacefully and patriotically in a reckless fashion to go over to the Capitol.

His wife said, I rolled down the window so I could get the smell of the arson going on.

And his daughter went on social media, Miss.

teenage waltz and said, basically, all you guys out there can be assured.

I got it from good information.

The National Guard is not going to come tonight.

So, go basically, she didn't say it, but it was go to it.

So, I get really angry about that, but then I don't want to trash my former employers.

My God,

I love Andy.

Andy's like a brother.

But I disagree with him

this particular piece.

I feel she is so much more

disqualifiable, as you just said,

under these criteria.

And two, with Walls as a governor who is very engaged, as many Democrat governors were, with suppressing our First Amendment rights of religious worship, of speech.

I mean, what the hell do these lockdowns accomplish but violation of our rights?

Doesn't that disqualify?

It was the longest continuous riot in American history.

It went on from late May, right after the death of George Floyd, all the way up until September.

It was every night it was going on, and the people were not put in preventive detention.

There's some people from January 6th that have still not been formally charged

fully.

And there's 14,000 people were basically let go.

by leftist Soros-appointed big city federal, I mean, state and local prosecutors.

So

do you know, Victor, what was happening four years ago, as we speak, in New York City?

The same places that were that was the firebombing, wasn't it, of the police car?

Well, there were many terrible things.

No, my point is there was some fear that Trump would win the election in 2020.

So the Manhattan storefronts were boarding up again because they expected if Trump

were going to be riots.

And they went to town when he said, well,

if they go, if they use violence, we'll have to use the military and then they said he's getting he wants to use the military to go after and then they had that wall street journal meet and greet with trump i think yesterday and they printed some experts and peggy noonan who's been writing some very bizarre you know peggy newman columns you know and one day it's a and the next day it's z one day it's alpha the next day it's the omega it's like a needle needle that goes back and forth that reacts to the magnetism of 51% public opinion.

Right after he was elected, she said, this is from the people who don't, we don't care about, this is a referendum on the poor, on represented people, this is good, and then it was back and forth.

But she asked him specifically, are you going to call out the military?

And he just repeated what he said.

We're not going to have the riots in the streets like we had in 2020.

And we've got to remember, there were 200 people arrested in Washington, D.C.

when that whole inauguration riot, when Madonna said she dreamed of blowing up the White House.

Right.

And so what he was saying is what George H.W.

Bush said during the Rodney King.

I remember that.

You know, he brought, he sent 5,000 U.S.

Marines to central L.A.

He really did.

And you know who encouraged them to do that?

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Colin Powell.

He said, I've got 5,000 Marines, Mr.

President.

They're ready on your call.

And then suddenly our second generation, the current generation of military officers in 2020 resigned right over that.

Some of them did.

And they said, Mark Milley, da-da-da-da-da.

Mark Milley said, I shouldn't have had a photo up.

And no,

he was going to use U.S.

military.

And I was opposed to that.

Well, then you should go talk to Colin Powell and George H.W.

Bush because they didn't contemplate it.

They sent the Army, the Marines

into L.A.

to stop the violence, whether you like it or not, they did it.

Speaking of which,

Mark Milley is, this Bob Woodward book is, the gossip book is out again.

They always come out, remember, on the eve of a midterm or an election.

Right.

And it's got damning quotes and all that.

But one of them is that Mark Milley said,

and we talked about that, the most dangerous man in America is Donald Trump.

I would

say the most dangerous man ever.

Yeah, yeah, I think he did.

This is a student of history from Princeton.

It's not Attila the Hun.

It's not Tamerlang.

It's not Genghis Khan.

It's not

the sultan that destroys

Constantinople.

It's not Joseph Stalin.

It's not Mao Zedong who killed 70 million.

It's not Hitler.

It's Donald Trump.

This is coming from a person who, I'll tell you what's dangerous, when you're...

chairman of the chief, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff does two things.

One, he breaks the chain of command command illegally and he calls in his regional four-star CENTCOM, AsianCom, AfricanCom, and say, if you get an order coming down from the president,

you report to me first.

That's almost like a coup.

And second, he calls his counterpart in the People's Liberation Army and warns him that he feels that his president is non-composment.

What would happen if the head of the PLA

called Millie and said, I'm afraid of Chi.

I think that he's unstable and he might give me an order that could precipitate a war.

But if he does, I will call you first, Mark, to tip you off.

They would have him lynched in two seconds.

My gosh.

Yeah.

You know, and so still be, he'd still be on the phone and there'd be a bullet in his head.

Yeah.

And, you know, that was the same week that

McChrystal hit the talk shows, and now he's cutting commercials for Harris.

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so much for

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if we could just wrap up a little bit of

this past Wednesday.

Was it Wednesday?

No, it was Thursday, the day of the Al Smith dinner.

Two things.

One, I just want you to know, I went that

afternoon, well, actually, lunchtime, I went for lunch in Manhattan with, it was a Catholic organization, and Robert F.

Kennedy Jr.

was, he spoke there, about 100 people.

And it was very interesting, very,

I think, important asset here that.

Trump has.

And he was after the lunch, he was going to cut an ad

directed at Catholics in Pennsylvania, Catholic Democrats.

And as you mentioned before, Bob Casey cutting these ads in Pennsylvania,

that he's

implying he's a Trumpster.

And actually,

he bucked Joe Biden on something.

So

these folks are

wetting themselves and they haven't seen it.

They always think that they're exempt, the left does, that they can go out and try to destroy somebody and they're going to just shrug and say, well, they're morally superior.

I guess they deserved it.

But when as soon as he announced his candidacy and he started getting threats because these nuts out there think if they shoot another Kennedy, they'll be in the headlines.

Joe Biden refused him Secret Service.

There was no reason that he needed to do that.

Everybody knew that was a special case.

And then we started, they started leaking.

It wasn't Trump that was leaking it.

We got the dead bear story.

Remember that?

Oh, yeah.

And then we've got

he had the parasite in the brain story.

And he was trying to explain those because he knew they were being leaked.

Then we had that Victoria Newsy weird study story where her boyfriend tapped into her sex and they blew that up into an actual physical sexual tryst, which it wasn't.

They went out and destroyed, tried to destroy them.

So he's pretty sick of them now.

And that's

they always do that.

And then they do not allow apostates.

They really do not allow apostates.

I don't really, I mean, if

Bill Crystal or George Will

or

Charles Sykes or Andy McCarthy or Jonah Gore, if they want to vote, that's fine.

If they want to go campaign against Trump, that's fine.

I don't really think people should be leaking things about their personal lives or anything, but that's not what the left does.

They go after you if you're an apostate and they try to make an example of you to detour the other people.

And they went after to destroy his character.

And then he was forced into those embarrassing situations where he had to bring up things that we never had known about, but he did it to preempt the story that was following in places like the New Yorker, New York Times, Washington Post.

It was all just

places that have no concern about Douglas M.

Hoff's

That's been completely forgotten, Douglas M.

There's three stories out about him.

One, that he impregnated his nanny.

That's about a breach of trust that I can't even imagine.

Number two, that in a public situation, he slapped hard his

date, girlfriend, to the point she broke it off, and three witnesses purportedly had seen that happen.

And then another one from his law firm, or that he was the organizer of or administrator, that people found him repeatedly a chauvinist, insensitive to women's issues.

This from the new type of non-toxic masculine man.

It's really weird how these stories that could break any other candidate are completely suppressed.

Another one is a plagiarism by Camilla Harris.

So we get this co-authored

non-book, and her defense.

Chris Ruffo, right?

Yes.

Chris Ruffo, they don't understand Chris Ruffo.

Chris Ruffo

has got a razor-sharp mind, and he doesn't really say anything until he has mountains of evidence.

So they took him on, and everybody's taken him on from Claudine Gay onward loses.

But when she, in her defense, she co-authored a book, and that means she didn't write anything because she's incapable of that.

But somebody, she put her name to it.

And when you have repeated instance of long passages that have been plagiarized or they are printed with a footnote but without quotation marks as if you wrote them and worst of all, you're plagiarizing from Wikipedia, Wikipedia.

And then you call the New York Times to kind of get ahead and suppress the story, calls the expert on plagiarism, has a website on it, maybe a book, I think, Jonathan Bailey.

And they tell him over the phone what it was about.

And he said, it doesn't seem like it's plagiarism.

And then they write, plagiarism experts discounts Harris's charges that Republicans seize on.

They seized on it.

Well, and then he gets embarrassed and the social media people attack him.

And then he comes up with this excuse.

Well, I didn't really read

the book.

I didn't really read the complaints.

I was just given.

Well, that made it worse because they're thinking, you're supposed to be the authority on what people write and say, whether it is plagiarized or not.

And then a notorious, undependable source like the New York Times calls you up and gives you a brief second-hand version of it on the phone.

And then you use your authority to issue a statement which they will use, and you know they will use it to suppress the story.

And now you want us to trust you again because, on further examination, Jack, it is plagiarism.

So

it was just, once again, it blows up in the left.

Why can't they just be honest?

Why can't they just said, we've contacted Jonathan Bailey, plagiarism expert, and we sent him the materials, and

he is going to issue if that's what you want.

The other issue, of course, is

700 former security experts, 16 economists, Nobel Prize winners, 17 renowned economists, 51 intelligence authorities, experts.

They always do that,

the consensus by authority, the appeal to authority, the appeal not to logic or sense or truth, but to a bunch of letters after somebody's name.

You know, it's like somebody would call me up and say, we've got a new authority, we have a new theory that Socrates was black.

And that was a big thing in the 1980s by Martin Bernal.

And I could get, I think in about, I don't know, an hour, I could get 10 classicists I know, right?

And I call them up and I said, hey, this is,

I got to get this out, man.

It will help our cause.

We'll say that Socrates is black.

And they would probably, you know, I don't know.

I might be able to persuade them.

And they would say.

10 experts say Socrates is black with PhDs in classics.

Who would ever believe that?

So that's what they do.

They call up their friends.

then they lie.

And then

we're supposed to think, wow, that guy has a JD, MD, PhD.

No gain of function

research was going on.

Peter Dasick and his Lancet experts,

Anthony Fauci and secret communications.

What do we find out?

They knowingly were funding gain of function research.

It's the old joke, Victor.

How do you know they're lying?

Their lips are moving.

moving.

Hey,

I just have to say again, you know, my

I would not put Andy McCarthy, my dear friend, for years in the same category as Paul Russell, Charlie Sykes.

No, I'm not.

No, I know.

So I just want to, yeah.

No, I'm not.

I didn't mean that.

I'm just saying that I was just picking at random people who

have been never Trumpers.

And I was saying that people,

that they don't face the same level.

I wasn't talking about them.

I was talking about the reaction to them.

I was saying that they don't face the same level of demonization by the right, maybe on social media, as people who are apostates like Kennedy face from the left.

Nobody's going through Andy's impeccable record to try to find dirt on him to say

that they don't agree with him.

They did a little bit with

social media, but I don't know in print that people really went after Charles Sykes or went after people.

I surely didn't.

I didn't

was of no,

it was no interest to me to try to destroy people.

If that's what they want to believe, that's what they want to believe.

I have disagreed with their opinion.

And Andy has an impeccable character.

Everybody knows that.

I'm just getting an example where I disagreed with the idea that Camilla Harris is

to salvage her campaign, she's got to attack Trump personally

because he is unfit for governance.

Well,

I raised this again just because I really wanted to say that

I'm from the Bronx.

Andy's from the Bronx.

And Donald Trump went to the Bronx the other day.

That was the last thing relating to the Big Al Smith dinner day.

And he went to a barber shop.

And when we come back from these important messages, we're going to get Victor's take on that.

And then, of course, the huge news that I should have mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, Victor, the

death, finally, of one of the worst dirtbags in recent history,

Yaha Sinwar, the head of Hamas, who plotted the October 7th massacres.

And we'll get your thoughts on both those things, Victor, when we come back from these important messages.

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So Victor, Victor, Donald Trump went to a barbershop in the Bronx.

And, you know, you may not like him, some of you folks out there, but damn, he connected with them and they connected with him.

It was a totally upbeat, positive, authentic, however you want to put it

experience, one of many that Donald Trump has had, and that Kamala Harris in her wildest dreams, I think, could never have.

Your thoughts, Victor.

Well, I wish that she would do something like it.

I have an example.

Why doesn't she come out to,

I don't know, southern Fresno County, and we'll get together about 10 farmers, and they'll discuss the issue of federal policy toward water.

And she was a state of California, and she can just talk for an hour like Trump did to a particular, a supposedly hostile audience.

And of course, he won them over.

And I don't think she's going to win over a bunch of farmers who've had their water cut, but maybe she can't.

Or why doesn't she go, I don't know, she could go into a union hall in central Michigan and talk to union members, eight or nine of them, white members, because she talked to mostly black people and see how that works.

She doesn't do that at all.

She won't go into any hostile area.

And the fact that's hurt her terribly because all these quotes and videos that appear from her past, it's not that she says she was for fracking.

It's not that she says she was against deportations or open borders or bailing out people.

She said it emphatically.

Of course I'm for fracking.

And she said it emphatically because she was always pandering to the left-wing

audience, and that's all she felt comfortable with.

And so she always tried to outdo her left-wing rivals and get a soundbite that she was unequivocally

for these ridiculous positions.

And they just added up.

So when Trump started to air them, it wasn't, well, you know, that's a tough call, fracking, because on the one hand,

there is some environmental consequences, but on the other hand, but she didn't.

Yes, I'm for fracking.

Yes, absolutely.

I'll ban fracking.

Reparations?

Yes, yes, of course.

I'll sign a bill that comes across my desk.

And that's hurt her.

That really has.

And,

you know, there's another quote,

Jack, that it was released today that Speaker Johnson, Mike Johnson,

went to go see Joe Biden and by association, I suppose, the Harris Biden position, once he heard that as soon as they had been inaugurated, they were going to undo all of the Trump executive orders on the border that had finally secured it.

And they said, you know, and they gave one example.

Would you please, please

not bring back catch and

And in other words, when you catch somebody, don't release them because we don't know who they are.

Background checks.

We've got to deport them, hold them, check them out and deport.

And he said, no, we're going to repeal that.

We're going to bring back catch and release.

Well, why?

Why are you doing that?

Because Mexico said so.

Mexico doesn't like it.

He said, but you're the leader.

Who cares what Mexico says?

What he was saying is Obador didn't like it.

And Obador wants to send send 15 or 20 million of the people that he either can't or won't help in Mexico, and he's driven out.

And he wants to do it because

we know why he wants to do it.

There's four or five good reasons for Mexico.

The largest source of foreign exchange, about $60 billion drained from our economy, comes from illegal aliens and people here from Mexico.

you know, some green card, but the vast majority illegally.

And

the vast majority are on some sort of public support.

So the Joe Biden attitude is we're going to subsidize you so you can free up your cash to send back to a country that you despise, apparently because you left it and you wanted to come to this country.

And now you're using this country to semi-support you so you can send money back to that country and prop up that

government.

And then, of course, the longer people are from Mexico, they're distant from it.

And the more that they're here, the more that they're nostalgic for Mexico, as long as they don't have to live there.

In other words, they will fight to the death of being deported if they came here illegally, but they will jam the L.A.

Coliseum and rate

route for the Mexican soccer team and boo American soccer players, but not to the extent they want to go back to Mexico.

And they know that.

And this Schaanbaum, Schaanbaum, the new

president of Mexico that was sworn in in October, she's an out-and-out socialist communist.

So you're going to see her and

Trump butt heads like never before.

Obador, remember, he'd love to, when Biden would go down there and stumble along, remember he'd guide him by the arm down the steps, or debilitated president.

Then he said he was so happy that 20 million illegals had come to the United States.

And then he said that all Mexican expatriates had to vote against Republican election interference much.

Amazing.

It is.

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Victor, I have to believe most of our listeners have heard of and maybe even seen the just pre-death videos of

Yaha.

I don't know if I'm saying his first name right and I really don't care.

Sinoir, who is the mastermind of the October 7th massacre of Israel, which, by the way, Victor, it's, you know, we kind of think like that's a date sentence.

Like that happened.

It all happened that day.

But there's still hostages there including americans so this october 7th is still you know this is into the 54th week of this insanity but um some israeli uh idf troopers saw some guys moving about suspiciously followed them

and uh attract them had a

i'm sure i'd like to if you folks should go find the uh video because it's out there uh a um

oh my gosh you can't think of little devices that that fly fly around now like bugs.

My head's, I need a new head.

Anyway, they spotted him

in some Hamas hideout, and within a few minutes,

he was put out of all of our misery.

So, Victor, he's dead, but geez, does Biden and Biden Harris deserve any credit?

And if they had their way, this guy might still be alive, no?

No,

there's that infamous quote going around from the video that Camilla Harris says, don't go into Rafah.

I've looked at the maps.

I've examined the maps as if she's the expert on, I don't know, Gazan topography and geography and the history of the war.

Sinwar was unlike all of the other people in Hamas and much different even than Nasrallah.

He was the worst of the worst of the worst.

He was a butcher.

He tortured his own people, anybody who he thought was giving information.

He personally executed, I think, at least one or two.

They called him the butcher.

The Palestinians did.

The people of Gaza called him the butcher.

He was the one that engineered the kidnapping of the two and murder of the Israeli soldiers.

He was the one that, I think there were four supposed informants that they tortured and executed.

The weird thing about him was that he was in prison for all of these crimes.

of killing Jews, killing his own people, murdering, and they finally caught him and they sentenced him to multiple life in prison.

He should have never been out.

And then he started to not feel well.

This was in his 40s.

I think he was 60 something when he got killed the other day, 61 or two.

Anyway,

what did the Israelis do?

They examined him.

They took him right in.

They found out he had a brain tumor.

And they took out the brain tumor and saved his life.

And by the way, all those years, he had been studying Hebrew, spoke it fluently, read Hebrew texts, and they thought that maybe, just maybe, he was starting to be empathetic.

No, he was trying to learn the mind of his Jewish enemies.

And he said repeatedly, there would be no two-state solution.

Only the destruction of Israel was possible.

And they let him go after they had the hostage exchange to get back the Israeli soldiers.

So this guy was only alive because of the

benevolence of the Israelis and the skill of an Israeli surgeon.

And he looked at that magnanimity as weakness to be exploited.

He really did.

So then he's in there and that was kind of a really,

you know, just a random patrol and they saw people going in there.

They sent an anank tank shell.

It killed two people.

One of them was a teacher, Jack,

but he had a United Nations relief card.

In other words, people who were the bodyguard of the greatest terrorist in Gaza, or maybe Palestinian history, were working for the UN in Gaza.

But he was stunned, and then the soldiers came upon him and they saw the guy and that's where the video came, I guess from the helmet.

And it looked like almost he had lost a hand or something.

And the drone came in and he threw a stick and then it stopped and they blew up.

They sent another shell and blew him up.

But they still didn't know who he was until the next day.

And after, I think they wait a day because they don't know whether bodies are booby trapped or what.

Then they started to examine and they found out who he was.

So he was just running away, trying to escape with his two bodyguards, 10,000 bucks in cash on him.

And

it really

begs the question, there's not going to be peace because he's gone, but they have decapitated the central command of Hamas.

So now all of these local commanders, they're kind of like tentacles without an octopus head.

And they are the ones that have the hundred-plus hostages.

And you wonder if Israel, and I I think that's behind Netanyahu's threat today, where he said,

you don't have to die.

Just all of you people release the hostages and you can live and

the war will be over, basically.

And we'll see if any of these local commanders want to give up their three or four hostages they have and live, because they probably know at least the names of the next tier that have them.

I doubt they will, but that's where we are in the war.

This guy was ahwar, is that his name?

Ahwar.

Ahwa.

Y-A-H-Y-A.

So

sounds like

Yah to me.

Yes.

Yeah.

But he was the,

I think he still has a brother that's the head of the Al-Qassamba gaze, Mohammed Sinmore.

But we'll see who who wants to take the job.

I don't know.

It's like who wants to go out and be a target on the shooting range?

We'll see.

Because I swear to God, I mean, I shouldn't say that term, but I swear that the next person who says he's the head of Hamas will not be alive in 48 hours.

Yeah.

Well, I'm glad our powers of persuasion on the Israeli government has been pretty slim with this administration.

Isn't it quite amazing that

The Netanyahu government, when it was at an all-time low of popularity, has now regained, They're in the plus side, and they have taken on the supposedly formidable Hezbollah that prior to October 7th, everybody said Hamas is bad, Iran is bad, but my God, how are they ever going to deal with Hezbollah?

They've got 150,000 rockets,

Nasrallah is widely, they've got the protection of the Lebanese government, they've got about 50,000 shock troops, and they were planning another October 7th, and then they take out the entire echelon of Hezbollah.

They've whittled down two-thirds of the rockets.

They've gone into that hellhole along the border, and they've taken losses, but not catastrophically so.

They've taken out some of the

echelon of the Revolutionary Guard inside Iran.

and Hezbollah people.

They've decapitated all of the Hamas people.

Everybody said, in other words, what I'm getting at is they've done all these favors for the United States.

The people who took American hostages, who orchestrated it, they're dead.

The people who blew up the Marine barracks, they're mostly dead.

The people in Iran that have tried to use their surrogates, many of them are dead.

We should be ecstatic.

Instead, all we're doing is trashing them.

And if we had not put any brakes on them, they would have finished the war by now.

But, you know, what's weird is that they're putting enormous pressure on Netanyahu not to hit Iran before the election.

And so, again, everybody, that's what we impeached Donald Trump for, the alleged crime of

telling the Ukrainians that he was going to suspend aid

because

Joe Biden's family was corrupt.

And remember, he shortly resumed aid.

Joe Biden's family was corrupt, and Biden leveraged that aid by getting Victor Shokin fired, who was a prosecutor looking into the Biden corruption.

But it wasn't as blatant as this.

Listen, BB,

we're going to force you to adopt policies against your national interests and

frankly our national interests, because we want the Middle East to be calm before Harris election.

So you're not to do what's strategically necessary for your safety and for the greater good of Western countries.

Just don't do it because we're up for an election and we can't afford to bleed out votes in Michigan.

We don't want the general sense that we're incompetent and we started a war.

That's what they're doing right now.

It's questionable.

If you were Netanyahu, what would you do?

Would you say, okay, Joe, you give us a lot of equipment.

You bought in another anti-missile battery.

We appreciate that, so we won't do anything before the election.

Or would you say,

We're losing valuable time.

People are forgetting that Iran sent in 182 ballistic missiles.

They've forgotten that.

Every day we wait, it looks more like that our retaliation will be considered preemption and aggression.

We can't afford to let it stand that Iran with impunity attacked the Jewish homeland.

And you know what?

We don't care.

We're going to go after that.

It would be interesting to see what he does.

Well, Victor,

You've been terrific.

I just wanted to mention one other thing.

I actually have a number of sports items that I thought we were talking about on another podcast, but along the lines of Donald Trump showing up at a barbershop in the Bronx when he was talking at a rally in Detroit,

I think it was last night even,

or maybe, yeah, it was last night.

He had,

he saw

Tommy Hitman Hearns, the great boxer, there, and he called him up on the stage.

And I think it went over, again, really well, really authentically.

And I just have a feeling something, things like that are really going to solidify and increase

Trump's numbers with young men, black men, you know, Hispanic men, but was a great little

piece of campaign politics.

I also want to say the word I couldn't remember before was

drone, as in Jack is droning on but i i apologize for not knowing a one syllable word um

but i would just add to your point that

in uh

michigan it seems like

mike rogers a point opponent i think her name is slotkin she's running ads so is shared brown we talked about so is bob casey we talked about so is tammy baldwin they're all talking about that they had promoted legislation that's Trumpian, that

when Trump was in office, they supported it, and they do not want Kamala Harris to be side by side with them on the podium.

And they're not talking about working for her.

So that tells me their internal polls say you can lose the election if you're on stage with her.

And the most people are going to vote for the Trump agenda that they enjoyed, not the Biden-Harris one that destroyed them.

And that's very funny when you have, that's always a very key indicator of the status of a national candidate, the degree to which down ballot candidates want to welcome them on the stage or try to avoid them.

Yeah.

Maybe Larry Hogan in Maryland should have been on a stage with Trump.

That was a big.

Larry Hogan should ask himself why it is that Mike Rogers is close and that Tim Sheehy is really winning and why Bernie Moreno has a really good shot of defeating the incumbent and why Tammy Baldwin might even lose.

And yet he seems to be well down.

I don't know if that's determinative or not.

I know that the guy in Virginia, which is similar to Maryland, is down too, and he's a Trump supporter.

So I don't want to make that.

Well,

Hogan was very popular.

You know, his numbers as a governor were

over 50%.

He was.

He was.

But I don't know

the missing

I don't know if the missing

eight or nine percent that he needs to win are from MAGA people who are angry that he just gratuitously trashed Trump all the time.

Because I don't know what Hung Kao, I think his name is Hung Cow or the guy that's running.

Virginia, yeah.

He's really good, but he's a political unknown and he's running against Tim Kaine.

I don't think he's going to win.

He's down about what

Hogan is.

I think about seven points.

Yeah.

Points.

So there are many, many close races.

So, you know, Victor,

we can be wishful thinkers, but

the trending is looking great, good anyway.

And it may be a very big day on November 15th.

I was wrong on the midterms.

I thought that the House would take much more seats than they did.

And I thought there was a good chance they could take back the Senate.

I didn't calibrate that gas prices dropped because of the draining of the petroleum reserve.

I didn't think people would fall for the student loan giveaway on the eve of the election.

And then they leaked the affidavit about Roe versus Wade.

That really hurt.

But

I do have a really good view of this.

And

I'm going to tune in.

I don't know if you guys are listening.

I'm going to tune in on election night to Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, and CNN.

Yeah.

Because that was very enjoyable in 2016.

Oh, it was wonderful.

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