Analysis of the Trump-Harris Debate

Flu season is here and COVID cases are still climbing across the country.

When people start getting sick, medications disappear fast.

And that's why we trust All Family Pharmacy.

They help you prepare before it's too late.

Right now, they've dropped prices on ivermectin and mabenzazole by 25%.

Plus, you can save an extra 10% with the code VICTR10.

You'll also get 10% off antibiotics, antivirals, hydroxychloroquine, and more of the medications you actually want on hand.

Whether you're fighting off a cold, protecting your family from flu season, or staying ready in case COVID makes its way into your home, having a few months' supply brings peace of mind and control.

They work with licensed doctors who review your order online, write the prescriptions, and ship your meds straight to your door.

Go to allfamilypharmacy.com/slash Victor and use the code Victor10 today.

Hello, and welcome to the Victor Davis Hansen Show.

This is the Friday news roundup and of course we had Kamala and Donald Trump in a debate this week so we're going to come back and talk about that first.

Stay with us and we'll be right back.

Cooler temperatures are rolling in and as always, Quince is where I turn for false staples that actually last.

From cashmere to denim to boots.

The quality holds up and the price still blows me away.

Quince has the kind of false staples you'll wear non-stop, like supersoft 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters starting at just $60.

Their denim is durable and fits right, and their real leather jackets bring that clean classic edge without the elevated price tag.

What makes Quince different?

They partner directly with ethical factories and skip the middlemen.

So you get top-tier fabrics and craftsmanship at half the price of similar brands.

When the weather cools down, my Quint sweaters are a go-to.

My cashmere short sleeve that works under any jacket, formal or casual, or my thick, long-sleeve, go-everywhere, do-everything sweater that pairs with any pant or jogger.

Quint's products are my favorites, which is why I went to Quintz to buy my recent very beautiful purse that leaves the house every time I do.

Keep it classic and cool this fall with long-lasting staples from Quince.

Go to quince.com slash Victor for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.

That's q-u-i-n-ce-e.com slash victor for free shipping and 365-day returns.

Quince.com/slash victor and we'd like to thank Quince for sponsoring the Victor Davis Hanson Show.

If you're a homeowner, you need to listen to this.

In today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing your home titles and your equity is the target.

Here's how it works: Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay a small fee with your county, and just like that, your home title has been transferred out of your name.

Then they take out loans using your equity and even sell your property, and you won't even know what's happened until you get a collection or foreclosure notice.

So when was the last time you checked on your home title?

If your answer is never, you need to do something about it right now and that's why we've partnered with Home Title Lock so you can find out today if you're already a victim.

Go to home titlelock.com slash victor to get a free title history report and a free trial of their million dollar triple lock protection.

That's 24-7 monitoring of your title, urgent alerts to any changes, and if fraud does happen, they'll spend up to $1 million to fix it.

Please, please, don't be a victim.

Protect your equity today.

That's home, titalock.com slash Victor.

Welcome back to the Victor Davis-Hanson Show.

Victor is the Martin and Nealey Anderson Senior Fellow in Military History and Classics at the Hoover Institution and the Wayne and Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College and you can find him on his website at victorhanson.com and the name of the website is the blade of Perseus.

So we had the maybe the one debate although Kamala Harris is asking for another apparently

but what are your thoughts on how let's start with how Trump did and then go to how Kamala did and then maybe talk about the moderators if we could do that first.

Well you know,

how one assesses a debate, the relative performances of the two debaters or three, often takes a while to digest, especially in the televised age.

I'll give you an example.

People who were

driving and listening, and that was the majority in 1960 to the Kennedy-Nixon debates, felt that on the issues, because they couldn't see anything, they just tried to tune in to the actual words spoken.

Nixon clearly defeated Kennedy.

But for the people who watched on television and they saw Nixon's five o'clock shadow and his nervousness and Kennedy's tan, even though Nixon was in far better health than Kennedy, who suffered from Addison's disease, they thought that Kennedy

and Kennedy was then acknowledged the winner.

I'm not sure if that was true, but that was the general perception.

So, right at things can change and they depend on a lot of things.

If you were to watch that debate and you saw Trump growl, you know, and he looked angry and she was swarmy,

then you might think, and then he kind of went to cul-de-sacs, he was angry.

She baited him very successfully.

I mean, you could see what the game plan was.

It was tripartite.

Let's face it, it was, Camela, we're going to teach you for eight days.

how to bait Trump because he'll lose his mind.

Now, what is the most sensitive?

Oh, crowd size.

size.

Let's say that nobody goes to his rallies anymore.

Let's say he talks about Hannibal Elector.

Let's say they leave early in boredom.

That just sent Trump crazy.

Let's go after a race.

What we can't get anything is going to get a record African-American vote, maybe, for a Republican.

So let's go back 40 years and repackage that Wildeen mass attack on a woman jogger in Central Park.

Let's just not talk about the details on the actual case and call him a racist.

That'll get him really angry.

And, you know, he's very sensitive about his money.

Let's just talk about his dad and

the business inherited and say he's a lousy bit.

And they did that again and again and again.

And he got angrier and angrier.

And then they were thinking, now that will take three or four

minutes of him going berserk, and that'll be three or four minutes where you won't have to talk about your flip-flops or your phony middle-class working mom, small business family, or the fact that you just posted just recently your policy after 90 days and you don't have any real issues that are your own or that resonate with the American people that

are genuine and authentic.

So that was number one.

And then the second element of that strategy

was to,

I guess I call this article I just wrote today called

Swarmy versus Grouchy.

Swarmy and the Blob versus Grouchy.

She's Swarmy, the Blob is the moderator, and Trump was Grouchy.

So the second thing was she was going to deny that she was upper middle class and the child of two PhDs.

So it's good old Kamala, and I was from a middle-class family, and I know what it was like for a moment to small.

That's not true at all.

Her mom was a PhD cancer researcher.

Her dad was a professor at Stanford.

And she didn't talk about she kept saying things like and I'll get to that I will address that and and then she never did it was all I have a plan she said I think she must have said the word plan a thousand times but no detail

and

she

never really explained three critical things what exactly are you going to do if you're president what is your plan are you going to cancel patents wealth tax tax on on realized income raise the corporate income tax.

She said, oh,

you know, not for people, you know, I won't raise the inheritance tax for people who, you know, are worth less than two million.

Well, in California, you can buy a little coastal cottage.

The average price is $900,000.

So she didn't say that.

And the second thing was she wasn't going to tell us anything about her.

And then she was not going to explain.

And he was good on this real issue.

And that is,

if you're talking about change and forward and all that stuff, and you've been vice president under a derelict president, which should have given you an inordinate amount of latitude for governance as a vice president in a way that's not usually

typical of a vice president who goes to funerals, etc.

Why didn't you do this in the first three and a half years?

And you know what?

We have half of September, October, November, December, January.

So you have almost five months.

Will you just go to the White House and sign something?

I mean, he could have said it was an executive order.

He called it a bill, big deal.

Do it now.

Close the border.

Clamp down on crime.

Restore the military.

But

that was very effective.

So she wasn't going to talk about that.

That if she's the agent of change, she's the status quo.

She wasn't going to talk about her policies as well.

So that was the second part.

The third was,

we're going to outsource this to ABC.

We know it's the ABC of Stephanopoulos, of John Carl, of this David Muir, of the Lindsay Day, and they're all biased

and they want us to win.

And

it's really going to be good for us because CNN tried to act as if they were disinterested in the Biden-Trump, and they got killed by the left.

Why didn't you fat chuck Trump's lies?

So they knew that the moderators would help them.

So what did that mean, and how did that translate into the actual debate?

It translated this way.

She's never going to have to worry about the veracity of anything she says.

So she can say, five people were killed on

January 6th, Lai.

There was two.

One was killed.

The other died of natural causes.

Brian Sicknick died.

I mean, there was two that

were at some point called killed.

They were both Trump supporters.

Three other clearly died of natural causes.

She said that he had encouraged people to go to the White House.

And

she said earlier in a speech, but she kind of resonated that on our mob, nobody ever found a weapon.

And more importantly,

when he said,

assemble peacefully and patriotically, that was not nearly as inflammatory as we've said before about these demonstrations won't stop.

They should not stop.

They're a movement.

They're going to go onto Election Day.

When she was talking about a very violent summer of 2020, but she knew they wouldn't fact suck her.

And then she just went crazy with, you're for a federal abortion ban.

He said, ad infant item, I'm not.

Nobody should fact check that.

You're IV intro in vitro fertilization, IVF.

You're going to ban it.

No, he never said that.

The bloodbath, the blood bath, the bloodbath.

Well, he was talking about the car industry, Charlottesville, even Snopes, the left-wing fact-checker, said, you know what?

He said,

there were good people on both sides.

I'm not talking about the white supremacists.

I'm talking about the people who had genuine interest in not destroying statues on one side and the other side had general.

So that was not fact-checked.

And

then he got her on things like, you said you were going to take away guns.

We own guns.

So they never,

they fact-checked him on four separate occasions, Candy Crowley-like, just like the 2012 intervention in the Romney Obama debate.

We don't remember anything anything about that second presidential debate of 2012, except Candy Crawley blew up her career,

embarrassed CNN by jumping in and trying to champion Obama, and she was factually wrong.

So they did it four times, and what was worse, yet they were wrong a lot of times.

Yeah, I was thinking,

my God, they said

Lindsay Davis, well, there's no evidence of any state, there's no such thing as a person will have abortion and then kill the viable baby.

Yes, there is.

If you look at the particular state statutes, you could argue anywhere from six to eight have no limitations on how to end a fetus baby.

So that was completely wrong.

And then when they said, well, Donald Trump, you're wrong about, I think David Muir said that, you're wrong about the FBI crime.

And the FBI said, well, it's gone down.

And Trump told him that because major cities that are run by left-wing governors do not want to report the crime statistics because they think that the FBI's comprehensive profiles of criminals that do race and gender and ethnicity will reflect badly on racial relations.

So they don't even send them into the FBI.

So the FBI is so far behind and they're inexact.

Trump was exactly right.

So they fact-checked one side and they didn't do the other.

What about the Springfield thing?

He said, no, we talked to them.

They were all ready for that.

We talked to the mayor this afternoon.

You mean about the animals being eaten?

I think the consensus is that Haitian immigrants somewhere in Ohio poached geese and were seen carrying them and killed them.

And I have,

I mean, I know that's happened in Fresno County with people go to a park and they've killed turtles, you know, immigrants.

I know that's a fact.

And they've killed geese.

I've seen it happen.

I mean, I've heard it happen.

I've had a relative that worked there and told me he saw it.

So

that was, you know, that was just another thing to make Trump look crazy.

So then, so they fact-checked only one side.

And notice they usually did it.

Why did they fact-check four, but maybe not ten, of his other.

It was always when he was on a roll and the tempo was in his favor.

And they disrupted the flow and the atmosphere and his momentum.

Number two.

Number three, they asked for follow-up questions with Trump.

You didn't really explain that about

January 6th.

You didn't say that.

And when she just said, well, I'm going to tell you why

my positions

and but she never did.

She never did.

They never asked her a follow-up question.

Then four, and most importantly, it was the nature of the questions.

They said, well, you went to the,

do you really feel that was a proper question to ask her about her ancestry, you know, about the black thing?

And, you you know, he said, I don't care.

But did they ever, they could, and then they said, you know,

in your past, and again, it was in his past, you have said certain things on January 6th to the assembled people.

You have, I don't understand this one about the sarcasm.

Remember, he said, you have said

that you lost the election by a whisker.

Trump is, anybody knows Trump doesn't believe that.

So he was like this.

Well, you know, I lost the...

Do you believe I really lost the election by a whisker?

And the guy said, well, you, and Trump said, I was sarcastic.

So they were actually

asking him about a sarcasm.

And then they fed her line because he didn't actually say, no, I don't regret saying that

I didn't lose in 2020.

So the moderator said to Kamala, well, he just said he still believes, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, like pick it up, that he lost in 2020.

If you were going to ask the comparable question to her, you would have asked maybe three or four of the following.

You said that you want to cancel patents.

In fact, you used the word snatch.

Are you going to snatch patents from private people and businesses?

You said that the Border Patrol, you just said you were a strong border advocate, Vice President Harris.

You said without any evidence that the Border Patrol was was whipping immigrants in a river and you compared U.S.

Border Patrol, brave patrollers.

You said that they reminded you of slavery and a period of slavery in our bad past and they were analogous to Ku Klux Klanners.

Do you want to disown that?

And then when they start going into his past, she could have said,

What were the circumstances that got you interested in politics?

Just throw it out there.

And then people would think, well, maybe she was the paramour of a man 30 years old, Willie Brown, that jump-started her as his girlfriend.

But they didn't do any of these personal stuff with her.

So they fact-checked just one side and they demanded follow-ups from just one side and

they

They selected questions that were asymmetrical.

And they helped out the answers on one side.

And then

they broke the rules.

There was supposed to be no cross-talk

mic.

And she, on two occasions, started talking to him.

You could hear her on the microphone, like they flipped it on.

I couldn't believe it.

And finally, he said, you know, I'm speaking.

Does that remind you of something?

You know?

So, what am I trying to say?

Here's what I'm trying to say: this summation.

When people went into that debate, They had three preconceptions.

Most people.

Number one,

she is

little Miss Miss Swarmy and cackling and nice and sweet and poses and manufactured and artificial and tries to be America's sweetheart and she's coached by Hollywood actor the whole bit.

And that is a force multiplier of her evasiveness, her disingenuiness.

She won't tell you what she is or what she was or what she will be or what her platform is.

They came out of that and they said to themselves, not at the first, Britt Yume and all the Fox commentators will say it was a bad night for Donald Trump.

And I turned to CNN and I'd say, oh, he was spanked by a woman.

Yeah, but just digest it.

And when you go away, you say, you know, it's like watching a movie.

You don't know sometimes you're watching a bad movie or a good movie until you just think about it.

And so later you start thinking about it.

She's still swarmy, just like I thought, and she wouldn't come clean on what she's going to say.

And that was in the focus groups afterwards.

It's baked into Donald Trump, number two, that he is abrupt, he's boisterous, he can be rude, he loses his temper, and he's easily goaded and triggered.

But,

and he proved all of that in spades, you know.

But it's also true that people have already baked that into who he is and his candidacy, and they see that, at least the independents and his supporters, as a force multiplier of his divisiveness.

In other words, when people say,

well, Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley would have had a much better night, they would have won points.

They would have really gone after him, but they don't quite understand that that,

what do you want to call it, crudity or boisterousness or anger or whatever it is, is the knife that cuts through the deep state.

You know what I mean?

That he won't back down.

So people knew that.

So when they saw it, they weren't shocked.

They said, Trump is, let Trump be Trump, just like Reagan, let Reagan be Reagan.

And then third, people had a preconception that the media is terribly biased, and they looked at all these statistics that they were following, that Mr.

Muir and Ms.

Davis had had a long history of anti-Trump sympathy, and all they had to do was just play it straight.

And so the question came up in their minds, huh?

Would I like to sacrifice my career as a real journalist by being overtly prejudicial and biased and try to throw maybe the only one debate

and,

I don't know, risk career destruction or shame for my network?

Or

would I like to play it honest and not help Kamala

and maybe not help her get elected?

And they took a nanosecond and said, no, I'm going to be prejudicial and I'm going to help her get elected because that's more important than anything.

And that's what they did.

And so I would expect the following, that she'll get a little post-debate bump like she did after the convention, maybe shorter.

But there was momentum going for Trump.

And I would be

he's got to remember two things.

There are two moments since he declared his candidacy, or I should say since he was declared the candidate of the Republican Party, that have changed his campaign.

One was agreeing to a historic debate that was before the convention, or either nominee had even been nominated, eventual nominee.

And that allowed Joe Biden to melt down.

Had he not had that, it's very debatable whether they would have had a public shaming of that magnitude and the polls collapsing so quickly.

And he might not have been removed.

Had he not been removed, he not only would have lost, but he would have taken the whole ticket down with him.

I don't think it was wise to agree to that debate.

The reason he did debate, because he didn't debate in the primaries, I think that was a mistake too.

It would have honed his skills, but then he wouldn't have been subject to the criticism, well, you haven't even debated your own people.

Can't you do one debate?

That's what Biden said.

And then the second one was this debate.

I don't think he's going to be hemorrhaged permanently.

I think he's going to recover.

I think in time, people will think he either was even or even the independents might think he won.

It'll take 48 hours, 72 hours.

But the point is, I would not agree under any circumstances.

with any of the network moderators.

They're not good people.

They're not honest.

they're prejudicial, and they feel that they're fused with the left, and their duty is to make the left look good and Trump look awful.

And if you go back in there, no matter what they say, no matter what they plead, they will do it again.

They need to get, just have an open forum and then let each of the candidates They should get a list of 20 left-wing people and 20 right-wing people.

And they can be Joe Rogan types, they can be public intellectuals, they can be authors, they can be media people, they can be anybody.

And just say to the candidates, you pick two

and

let your opponents pick two.

You know what I'm saying?

So we'll have four, a poll of four, we'll have two, one left, one right, and let them go at it.

Because I don't see any other way to do it.

Or cancel, or just let the two of them have no debate, no debate moderators.

Just talk like Lincoln and Douglas.

And

so

I think finally, I think a lot of the conservative people felt that the expectations were so low for her and Trump was surging and they had misconstrued the first debate.

Trump didn't really debate Biden.

He just looked at him and said, I don't know what he's saying.

He just was kind of a bystander to a total cognitive meltdown.

And then after they melted down, people in their exuberance said, Trump destroyed Biden.

He really didn't.

He just sat there and watched him melt like the wicked witch of the East.

He basically kind of threw water on him and then he melted.

And then she,

like Dorothy, he stood back and watched it.

So they thought, well, he's going to destroy her.

But she.

What I'm saying is that.

There was expectations that were so unrealistic that he was going to demolish her.

And when he didn't do that, they got very angry and they kept saying,

Haley Haley would have been able to do that, and she would have, but they didn't understand the whole package with Trump.

And so, when you look back at the sound bites, which have been playing today, we're speaking one day after the debate, they're pretty good for Trump.

Much better than her sound bites, and you don't see his face as often when you hear it on the radio or stuff, and he doesn't.

When I first saw it, I thought he's really angry and he's jittery and he's being baited, and he was, but when I watched it today, and I noticed certain repartees I didn't appreciate because I was kind of angry that he missed something.

I kept thinking when I was watching the debate, I would have said that, or why did you let that go?

Or why don't you just nail her here?

She's lying.

You can show, you can demonstrate how she's lying.

But if you just take all that

Sunday morning quarterbacking away, and

you're a French scholar, there's a term in French where

It's called the candle in the stairway.

When you leave a room and you're walking down the stairway

have the and you start thinking about what you said and then you keep saying, I should have said this and I would have said this and I really did say this or I meant to say, but you didn't.

I've never heard that.

Yeah, there's a term and

that's what I think that I got into.

And then the next day I thought, you know what?

He just said, especially his closing statement was really good.

He said, why don't you just do it?

You're an incumbent.

You're not the agent of change.

And then he just said,

she's going to ban fracking.

She hates Iswe.

I'm warning you.

And so

I think in time it'll be a draw, and a draw at this point helps him because I do think he's ahead.

Yeah.

Well, Victor, let's go ahead and take a break for some messages and then come back and maybe talk a little bit more about this.

I have a few questions for you.

Stay with us and we'll be right back.

Audival's romance collection has something to satisfy every side of you.

When it comes to what kind of romance you're into, you don't have to choose just one.

Fancy a dalliance with a duke or maybe a steamy billionaire.

You could find a book boyfriend in the city and another one tearing it up on the hockey field.

And if nothing on this earth satisfies, you can always find love in another realm.

Discover modern rom-coms from authors like Lily Chu and Allie Hazelwood, the latest romanticy series from Sarah J.

Mas and Rebecca Yaros, plus regency favorites like Bridgerton and Outlander.

And of course, all the the really steamy stuff.

Your first great love story is free when you sign up for a free 30-day trial at audible.com slash wondery.

That's audible.com slash wondery.

Welcome back.

This is the Victor Davis Hansen Show.

And one of the things that we love here at the Victor Davis Hanson Show is a water called Elevate.

Yes, I do.

I like hydrogen-infused water, and that's a gift from our dear friends.

And you can find it at

elevate.

Michael and Adrian Wiener.

They're the most generous people in the world and that's a wonderful product.

Yep, it sure is.

Well Victor, I was wondering

she got to the point where I felt that the topics as they went through the debate were the tough ones at first and then they for her and then they gave her really the easy ones at the end so that they were hoping she would go out with a bang, I have a feeling.

But one of those easy ones for her was the whole racial thing.

And she tried to make this

have this position that she is the one who is the unity candidate, and that she's just so offended by Trump because he's divisive and horrible.

But she was calling him all sorts of names.

She called him a racist, a liar.

A coward.

She laughed at him, she said the world was laughing at him.

She called him a coward.

And then she said,

she not only

basically said he was a racist

and he was a failure in his business or he was, I don't know what he inherited, he never really did anything.

And then every time, you're right, every time she did that, she said, let's just stop the name calling.

Why can't we just

get along?

She gave the Rodney King, can't we just get along?

And that was what we call in classical rhetoric Praetoridio.

As far as my opponent

being ugly and stupid, I think

we shouldn't mention that.

And that's what she did.

Let's all get along, but he's a racist.

Let's be nice to each other.

He's a coward.

Let's all get along, but he called for a bloodbath.

We shouldn't have this divisiveness, but

he said he wants to be a dictator.

And everything was a lie.

I mean, he said, and that particular quote, she tried to ram down his throat.

He said, I'd like to, would you, what would you like to do?

I'd like to be a dictator for one day.

And he meant executive order, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and overturn the Biden things.

And then that was it.

That was what he said.

Like bloodbath.

The automobile industry is going to suffer a bloodbath.

He's mentioned that we're going to have a basic bloodbath as if it's Civil War.

Yeah.

And the other thing I saw was that

when they asked about the Ukraine, they gave him the impossible question, which was, do you want Ukraine to win?

And nobody knows quite what win means in that war.

Apparently they don't because nobody's winning.

Yep.

And then to her, they just said, how would you deal with Putin?

Like, okay, now that would be easier to answer, you would think.

I didn't really see that she gave much of an answer, but nonetheless, she got the winning.

It was so funny.

Here was the left.

He gave some classical,

humane argument.

He goes, millions of people.

I don't know if there's millions of people casualties.

That's what he said.

I know there's over a million dead, wounded, and missing on both sides.

So maybe two million, who knows?

But the point I'm making is, he said, this is awful.

This is horrible.

You've got to stop it.

And I'll stop it.

Even before I let, I don't think he can do that with the Logan Act or whatever,

which is kind of an ossified joke, except if you're Michael Flynn, and then you'll be persecuted with it.

But the point is that

she was making fun of his efforts to stop the war,

and yet she had no strategy.

She just said,

I guess what I'm saying is she just goes like this with her finger in the wind.

What does the bi-coastal elite, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Euro-American Consensus, the Uniparty believe on this, and that's what I'm going to say.

I don't know what it means.

I'm silly.

I'm gushy.

I have no idea about strategy.

But if they say we've got to support Ukraine to the hilt, then I'll say that.

And then when he said,

you went over there and talked to Dozelinski, and I think he, did he mention Putin too?

And he said, you went over there and consulted, and then Putin invaded.

Well, they fact-checked him on that because she didn't technically.

Did you ever, just a point of fact, did you ever really talk to Putin?

What does it matter?

She was negotiating.

She went over there to negotiate.

Putin looked at her and said, this person is a joke.

And if they're relying on her word, I'm going to go in after Afghanistan, what they did in Afghanistan.

And this, when Biden said, oh,

my reaction if he were to go in would depend on whether it's a major or minor offensive.

So they greenlighted him.

It was weird.

It was almost Orwellian when they were blaming Trump for Afghanistan, when she was bragging that she was the last woman in the room and

Biden made the decision to pull out.

They blamed him for COVID.

Did you remember that?

They said, oh, COVID killed all, what What was he supposed to do?

He got Operation Warp Speed, and Biden lied and said that when he came into office, not one person had been vaccinated.

17 million had been vaccinated.

So it was very frustrating, but I believe, I do, in a very naive fashion, if you keep lying and be evasive and disingenuous, it catches up to you.

And when you looked at those focus groups or the independent polls afterwards, at least so far, we're speaking 24 hours later, you get the impression that people are not stupid.

And they looked at her and they said, did she once explain why she went from hard left 90 days ago to centrist MAGA now?

No.

Did she tell us exactly what her plan is, how she's going to pay for these things, what's the order, how she's going to close the board?

No, not at all.

And do you really believe that she was this moderate middle-class person who grew up in a family business?

No, no.

So I think that'll come through eventually, maybe in another week.

I have a few more things, but first I would like to take a minute for our sponsor, Hillsdale College.

Did you know that Victor is one of the professors in three of over 40 free online courses at Hillsdale College?

That's right.

American Citizenship in Its Decline, based on his book, The Dying Citizen: How Progressive Elites, Tribalism, and Globalization Are Destroying the Idea of America.

The Second World Wars, based on his book by the same name, and Athens and Sparta,

partly based on his book, A War Like No Other, How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War.

The courses are seven to nine episodes long and they are self-paced, so you can take them whenever and wherever.

Go right now to hillsdale.edu

backslash V D

It's free and it's easy to get started.

That's hillsdale.edu backslash V D H to start.

Hillsdale.edu backslash V D H.

All right, and we love Hillsdale.

So, Victor, I wanted to ask you also, did you notice that she basically said she had a domino theory of the invasion of the Ukraine?

And I was a little bit worried about that because I know that the whole domino theory kind of

fell with the Vietnam War and now she's got this going to Poland he's going everywhere but I didn't I mean that was the most self-comded condemnation I've ever heard because if you believe in the domino theater there's people it's got validity could be well they saw the first domino fall in Afghanistan didn't they when they pulled out and they said hmm the United States pulled out of that and it's no longer in the United States control now we're going to go in Ukraine and maybe if they're successful in Ukraine, they'll go into the Baltic states.

So, but she didn't tell us what the first domino was.

She assumed that it was Ukraine.

Ukraine was the second domino.

She let the first one fall.

So I thought that was, I think, see, all of these things you can go back and say, well, why didn't Trump say that?

But he did actually.

If you go back and filter, he said, you got out of Afghanistan, that made Putin.

But he yelled and screamed.

And it was actually

what I'm trying to say is: for a person 78, he's got a very good memory, and he was very good on bringing things.

He wasn't as good as people the next day who were sitting in the comfort of their living room without the tension, could say he missed this and he should have done that and he could have done this.

Nationally, View, I was very disappointed.

My former employer, I think they had three columns about how awful he was, and he's a terrible debater, and he didn't do this.

But he actually

did mention Afghanistan and the result of that pullout.

And he did

talk about that she's flipped on fracking.

And he warned people in Pennsylvania.

I wish he had more detail, but more or less his problem was not the issues.

Those were his strengths.

The problem was that when he gets angry and he's triggered and

he's baited,

then he gets repetitious.

So because he gets so angry when she started basically saying he was a coward and a racist and broke and a buffoon and his rallies were fading.

He was boring.

Boring.

He just said, and millions and millions and millions of people, you know what I mean?

He gets angry.

But when he's relaxed,

so she had...

Another thing, did you notice, or was it me, that they cut

They they cut Trump's when they when she was speaking They just showed Trump's face big big face, and it was growling.

But when they did her, they did it at kind of a 45-angle when she turned to him.

Sometimes she was like Rodin's thinker with her hand

on her chin.

As if she was, I'm a philosopher king and I'm trying to interpret it at this.

And other times she would kind of grim.

And it was almost like somebody had coached her.

on those mannerisms.

You think?

I know that

they're really mad.

I kind of like what happens after this because

the left is going crazy because she had earrings that were approximate to a type of hearing device.

There's no evidence that that was true,

but on the internet, and then there was times when you, did you see her?

There was no notes allowed, but she was looking down as if she was reading.

I don't know if she was or not.

But almost immediately

in the right vlog of spirit, it said,

secret earrings were transmitting messages that she was writing down, and the left went crazy.

Nutty Trumpers.

I'm thinking, good

payback, Mr.

Disinformation, Russian collusion, Axios Bank Ping.

Yeah, how does it feel?

How does it feel?

And I like the same thing about the geese and the cats and the dogs and eating and all that.

There were people eating geese, you know, as we said earlier, but

the left, the kettle, the black kettle, is calling the pot black.

Come on, give me a break.

That's what they traffic in is conspiracy theories.

Yeah.

Well,

I was wondering what you thought about the,

well, I don't know whether she did or didn't because I didn't hear it from her, but her people are asking for a second debate.

I was watching Ted Cruz the other night.

He said, she won't come out of the basement.

Well, Trump really ran with that and said, you know, if you're looking at a prize fight and the guy is a split decision or the guy thinks the first guy that asked for a rematch knows he lost,

that's one interpretation.

The other interpretation is that it's a close race and they think they gained a point and they'll gain another one.

But whatever the interpretation is, it tells me that her internal polls do not show that she has a lead.

Because if they really do believe that she won the debate and if they really do believe she's ahead with the momentum, then they wouldn't want to risk it.

It's like winning $100 at the casino and not wanting to risk it.

So I think that, A, they weren't sure.

They, according to elite taste, and which puts a high premium on comportment and behavior and mannerisms, which is a good thing in a way, but not so much content.

then they think she won the debate and

they think that maybe that she can do it again, but that also tells me that's even or she's behind.

I'm not sure

Trump should do it.

And if he does it, he should no way in the world have anybody on that stage from NBC, ABC,

CBS, CNBC, MSNBC, CNN,

NPR, PBS, NAVA, because they'll do it again.

And they'll bait him and bait him and bait him and bait him and get him angry.

And

it's easy for all these pundits the next day to say, well, he just fell for it.

But I can remember in high school when if a couple people wanted to fight you and I went to a pretty high school, you say, you know what?

I can remember this guy, I won't mention his name, he's probably still alive.

He used to try to bait me.

And

every time I'd go, he'd say, hey, you, I'm going to kick your blank, blank as soon as school's out.

Meet me in the vineyard.

And I'd say, nah, you know, I'm not.

And then I would walk and I said, don't get baited.

And I said that to my father.

I think I was 16 or 15.

He said,

it's easy for you to say you shouldn't be baited, but at some point, you're going to lose your temper.

And here's what you do when you lose your temper.

So I remember I had a fork I made in shop, you know, like a utility fork, a barbecue fork, and it was wrought iron.

So I was just walking and this guy came up to me and he pushed me.

And he said, I'm going to do,

and he said things about my family, you know, oh yeah, I saw that stupid car your dad had.

It was a piece of junk.

And you guys are a bunch of losers.

I know your brother.

And he just kept going on, you know.

And I remember my mom picked me up one day.

He goes, your mom's out.

My mom was very beautiful.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I just got sick of him.

So one day.

Did you fork him?

No, I didn't poke him.

I'm not dumb.

But the point is, I said, you better stop it.

You better stop it.

I was about the same size.

You better stop it.

Please don't.

And I thought, you're not going to lose your temper.

And then he really triggered me.

And I turned around and took that fork and hit him about 20 times on the back with it and just knocked him flat.

And then I grabbed him by the neck and hit him again.

And then one of the teachers go, Victor, of all people, I didn't think you were a thug.

And I said, I know it.

I'm sorry.

But I lost it.

I mean, that's my point, isn't it?

If you just keep saying that to anybody, he could have really baited her.

He could have really baited her.

He could have just said things like, talk about Willie Brown for a minute, huh?

Why don't you do that?

Why don't you do that?

How'd you get your things?

How did you get your career?

Everybody said, don't do that.

Don't, Mr.

Trump.

Do not go down.

Don't go that route.

And I think they were right not, but he could have done that, and she would have lost it after a while.

The final thing is that he's actually very good on the issues.

I keep saying that.

And he's much, he's He's not growling, he's not angry, and he's got a good memory, and he's got good recall, and he can make good connections.

If he could just take a day or two just to review what he's going to say, because what they're going to do is obvious.

He'll be fine.

And I think even as the days wear on, people are going to look back at that.

It's already happening, and they're thinking, you know, the theatrics were bad for Trump.

The pundits on TV all trashed him, but she didn't say anything.

And we know that she won't say anything, and we know she's trying to hide.

And whatever he is, he was in your face.

He didn't try to hide anything.

Trump is Trump, and you see what you get.

And with her, it's all shadows and smoke and mirrors.

She's a zombie candidate.

Yeah.

Well, I thought he's good on the issues too, except when it got to the fracking, defund the police, and border control.

I thought he could have been better at pointing out exactly what she said if he had maybe taken a little while.

He could have said,

Camilla, every time that you were in front of one of your obsequious left-wing audiences, which is all the time, you always double down.

You said, of course I'm on fragment.

Yes, I'll ban it.

And on patents, you can't just say you're going to cancel patents.

You've got to get really angry about it and double down.

I'm going to snatch patents.

Snatch?

Is that what you're going to do?

Why do you, you just pander and you double down.

So it's very hard to believe that you can you can disown all these things.

You didn't just say them.

You said them again and again and again.

You told us you were a radical.

You told us you were woke.

You told us you wish everybody was woke.

That's what you do.

That's who you are.

I'm not making fun about you, just who you are.

You're a hardcore Bay Area leftist.

Every single box on the leftist agenda.

Fracking?

Yes.

Open borders?

Yes.

Trash the border control?

Yes.

Bail out felons?

Yes.

Urge demonstrators to riot more and to keep going?

Yes.

Cancel patents?

Yes.

Wealth tax?

Yes.

Tax on unrealized income?

Yes.

Higher income and corporate taxes?

Yes.

Illegal immigrants get, what, free housing or housing subsidy?

Yes.

Transgender surgery for prisoner?

Yes.

You could have done it.

Yes, you could have just gone done.

But,

you know, you don't have to be

perfect to be good.

He did okay.

Yeah, he did well.

He did okay.

So you, because when I was listening to you earlier, I was thinking, you kind of think there's a dent in his campaign from this, do you?

Or

can i ask that question

i know there's a dent yeah did it put a dent in his campaign at all or in this sense it did in this sense it did here's what it did

three

72 hours before the debate

the new york times came out with a poll and he was two points ahead in the new york times which means he's probably four or five points in the national poll You looked at the swing states, there was a poll out that he was four points ahead in Georgia, three in Arizona.

So he was kept and dead even in Pennsylvania.

So of the critical case and almost one point behind in Nevada, which means given the polls, he's probably ahead in all of them.

And once he, if he can win Georgia and Arizona and Nevada

and keep North Carolina, all he has to do is win Pennsylvania, Michigan, one of them.

And he's ahead in Pennsylvania.

So my point is the momentum was with him.

And then her evasiveness and her refusal not to meet with the press and this kind of weird agreement to a softball interview with Dana Bash, who gave her multiple choice.

What do you think?

Is it A, B, or C?

Multiple choice answers.

And then the fact that she had that buffoon waltz with her.

It was looking bad.

So there was this expectation that she would come out there and be insipid, inert, the whole blah blah blah, and he was going to destroy her, and that would be the end of the election.

That wasn't going to happen.

But that's what everybody thought.

And he lost that opportunity.

There was a chance he could do it.

Yeah.

Had he kept his temper and relaxed and smiled every time and done the Reagan-esque, they needed to give him a line.

For Reagan, it was,

there you go again.

There you go again.

President Carter.

And Carter was getting angry.

You were going to cause nuclear war.

You're reckless.

There you go again.

You've never had the foreign policy.

Amy and I have talked about the threat of nuclear.

There you go again.

Even your vice president can't call you voodoo economic.

There you go again.

It was great.

And he won the debate.

If Trump had, I think he almost said that once, but if he had said,

what's next?

What's next, Camoa?

Or

one more lie?

Keep it coming.

He just did that.

That's all he had to do.

And it would have been funny.

And he's very good at that.

That's what's weird about it.

And so, but

it wasn't a knockout blow.

It was a split decision.

Yeah.

Let's take a break and then come back.

And we've got one more thing that Kamala does

as a stuffy San Franciscoite,

and that is to go to Pinzi Spices.

And I wanted to talk a little bit about that.

Stay with us, and we'll be right back.

Welcome back to the Victor Davis Hansen Show.

You can find Victor on X.

His handle is at VD Hansen and at Facebook, Hansen's Morning Cup.

So come join him there.

At his website, you can join us with a subscription for $5 a month or $50 a year.

And you get VDH Ultra articles, which are exclusive to subscribers and come out three times each week.

So it's a lot of reading.

Victor, so

Kamala, when she popped out once from her studying in her hotel room for the debate, went to Pinzies, which is a spice place, very elite spice place.

And on their website, they have, as all websites have, an About Us.

And right next to that on the navigation bar is About Republicans.

And I want to read a couple of things from their About Republicans

piece.

They say about Republicans, the Republican departure from conservative values and embrace of what from a distance looks like a whole lot like insanity didn't happen by chance.

One, Republicans are insane.

The next thing they say is, quote, the truth of our time is we've arrived, we've meaning pinsies, we've arrived at the point where there's no way to respect the nonsense the Republican Party is promoting and have any any chance of overcoming the problems we as a nation and as a planet face.

So they said that Republicans are nonsense and insane.

And then they say, and there is no hate in any of this.

And she had just said that I think the day before, right before she went there, she said that we need to stop the acrimony and be united again.

And then she deliberately, and we know now that her advance team scoured every possible store for the fake photo op, and they found one that was hard, hard left.

And then they thought,

what would be kind of chic?

What would be the version of Obama in 2008 talking about the price of a rugala?

Remember that?

Yes.

It has to have a certain little bicoastal hardwood floor, stainless steel kitchen flare.

And Pinsis is just

the spice, and he's not going to show up in a brake shop or tire shop.

No.

Nope.

You know what Trump should do?

He should go to a junkyard or he should go to an auto dismantling yard or he should go to a tire shop after that.

Oh, sure.

And just deliberately highlight that.

The reason I'm so cynical is, if I could just detour a minute.

When I was 17, for the first time I left Fresno County and I went to UC Santa Cruz.

So I was in that Monterey Bay, San Francisco corridor for the first time in my life in 1971.

I didn't, I lived in Greece for two years in an eight-year period, but I went four years to undergraduate and four years to PhD program at Stanford, and I was knee-deep in the Bay Area and the academic and the hard left.

And

I kind of

know the, and then I spent 20 years with the academic

I don't know, mob at California State University, Fresno.

And then I spent another 20 years I'm 71 now and I spent it at Stanford University's Hoover but I saw a lot of faculty and I have I can I can write the script from what those people say and what they think and they're a very strange bunch of people they are the most acquitted the bicosta wealthy professional credentialed left-wing elite they have the most

snobbish taste.

They judge people by where they got their degrees, what type of professions their parents were in, what their zip code is, what neighborhood they are, what their kitchen looks like, what kind of car they drive.

They don't like Chevys or Fords.

They like, you know, Range Rovers, Mercedes, BMW, maybe...

Subaru.

Subaroos, maybe,

I don't know if Alexis, but the point is.

They're the most acquisitive, materialistic, snobbish, and they don't like people outside of their social class.

So they patronize and they feel guilty about it.

So they think, you know, their idea of

being with the people is giving

Herlinda Gonzalez, who cleans their house extra clothes.

And they'll say to you, I gave them, I gave some of my old puff coats to them.

That kind of stuff.

Or, you know, we had a 10-year-old BMW and we sold it really cheap to Fernando the landscaper.

That kind of stuff.

They don't even know how silly they are.

So for her going to the spice thing and then play acting like she's some kind of poor girl from Oakland,

I know how those people, remember that it's just reminiscent of that she was space czar and she hired those child actors and then when she gave that little kindergarten, there's a place called Ukraine, it's a big country.

It's just Everything's fake about them.

You're right.

She was always putting on a show, even as her little president, vice presidential position.

They all do that.

They all do that.

But not quite like her.

I mean, hiring actors to.

Obama did too.

Obama and Michelle were the most wannabe

aristocrats there were.

As soon as they got out of that office, they cashed in.

Remember, he said before he was running for office: if I were to run for president, it wouldn't be for money, it wouldn't be for the prestige, it would just be to be public service.

Soon as he, the last year in office, when Hillary and Trump were going out at 2015, he was already using his office to sell himself to Netflix.

And he made, as soon as he got out of there, he got these four men, one wasn't enough.

And then you have to hear that left-wing from Michelle.

Well, my parents told you, no, you don't need, don't take more than you need.

Don't take, you know, 20,000 square feet when you can live in three.

It's basically,

so that's who they are.

And that really raises the question:

where does this kind of boutique,

popular left-wing ideology come from, since it's so at odds with the lives they live.

This neo-socialist like her,

you know, she has a beautiful home, you can tell.

She's married to a lawyer.

The Obamas have nice cars, big, beautiful homes.

Nancy Pelosi has an estate in Napa.

She saw her San Francisco house when it was broken into.

Diane Feinstein had a lake,

and they were all so

men and women of the people, but you look at their actual acquisitive tastes, it really suggests two things about their ideology.

Number one, they feel that they're exempt from the consequences because they're so privileged and wealthy, that no matter how many taxes crush the small carpenter or the electrician, they don't care because

it won't affect them ever.

They want

teachers unions.

They hate charter schools, but their kids are going to go to prep school.

They want high kilowatts, but they'll run that air conditioner or that heated pool all year.

They don't want a carbon footprint, but they'll get, John Kerry will get in that jet and go all over the world to help us.

So it's either that,

they're left-wing, or they're guilty and they feel, wow,

I mean, looking at my lifestyle, it's really selfish.

I have stuff that nobody else has.

And I really believe in affirmative action and all this, but when my kid's ready to go to college, I call that dean.

I call that CEO.

I give money.

I want my kid to get selective treatment, but I'm an egalitarian.

I'm Sam Bankman-Fried's parents.

I'm hard left, but I'm bundling money.

You know what I mean?

Yes.

And so it's either guilt, and it's not medieval penance.

or some kind of concession the church gives you so you can drink and fornicate and then you write out a piece of paper or contract that you build, I don't know, six stones on the dome of St.

Peter's and you go to heaven or maybe purgatory for a while.

So they have that penance or that indulgence that they bought.

And it's basically, I can live in Martha's Vineyard and I can have everything nice, but the price I have to pay is I got to be a radical.

I have to say that I'm woke and I'm a radical and everybody should be woke.

That's what they are.

After about, I got really sick of it.

I don't want to be an extremist, but man, I make a deliberate effort to keep away from those people because they're toxic.

And that

profile is running this country.

Maybe not the academic alone, but that comes out of that academic world and that pretentious cultural world, they are the people that are staffing all of our administrative offices.

And they're very dangerous people.

They're very sanctimonious and self-righteous.

And they believe a separate law applies to them, but nobody else.

When she said that he's a threat to democracy, remember she said that in the debate?

Yes.

You're a threat to democracy.

Did he say that he took a bullet to the head for democracy?

Yeah, or something like that.

Yeah, he did.

I thought

he's a threat to democracy.

In your entire political career at the national level for president or vice president, you never entered one primary.

You never got one elected delegate.

You were anointed vice president because of your race and your gender.

And then they removed by abdication.

Joe Biden threatened the 25th Amendment and they appointed you.

You have never been elected to anything.

You don't believe in.

You will not meet with a free press.

You will not do an interview.

You will not do a press conference.

You are in the proverbial basement.

You don't believe in democratic transparency.

And your party and what you have objected to, you're waging law affairs.

She mentioned that, you're a felon.

He's facing felon.

He was pretty good on that.

He said, you know, Fanny Willis, he should have said Nathan Nathan Wade, but who cares?

Met twice with a counsel's office, the third highest, he said that, DOJ lawyer, went over to Alvin Bragg's office.

And then, of course, Jack Smith was meeting with people in the Biden administration.

And, of course, Reid Hoffman funded E.

Jean Carroll's suit, big Biden donor.

So it is lawfare that she was involved in.

They're all involved with destroying democracy.

They were trying to take a candidate off 16-state ballots, Trump.

We're not going to let you, Trump.

We're going to try to get 16 states to remove him.

We're trying to destroy the Electoral College.

We're getting rid of the filibuster.

We want to put two more liberal states to get four liberal senators.

We're going to pack the court because we don't like the court, so we'll pack it and change the rules.

That's what they're doing.

We're going to have Russian disinformation right before a debate so Joe Biden can get ammunition to lie that that's not Hunter's laptop.

We're going to try to suppress the news so people can't read that it's authentic.

And we're going to have Russian collusion.

We're going to hire Christopher Steele through three paywalls to try to do OPO research, which is against the law to hire a foreign national.

That's who they are.

I'm Jake Sullivan.

I'm going to run with the,

what, the Alpha Ping hoax of 2015 and 16.

Oh, I'm Anthony Blinken.

I'm going to round up 51 intelligence authorities and have them lie.

And that's, so they have been systematically destroying democracy.

And then when she says that, you would hope that Trump would go through all that very quickly.

But it's hard to do that.

It's hard, yeah.

I don't prepare for the Fox News.

Sometimes they'll give you a vague idea what it's going to be asked.

But you go in there thinking,

I should say this and this and this.

You can't memorize it.

But then when you get in there and the lights are there and everything in your studio and all that, you always leave with this.

candle in the stairway.

I should have said that.

I had that thought and I didn't say it.

Not that you're memorizing it, but just you have all these ideas, but it's very hard to get all of the ideas that come and go in your mind while you're sitting there and get them in a rational order and get every one of them.

So it's easy for us to say he should have said this and this, but it's very hard for him, anybody to do that.

Anybody, yeah.

Well, Victor, the last thing is that it is 9-11 today.

Speaking of patriotic, and I was wondering if you had some thoughts on 9-11 for those lost.

Well,

I was listening today.

They were running her quotes about, do you have the courage to

not use the word, what, radical Islamic terrorism or something?

Yes.

No, no, no, that's not the right question.

Do you have the courage to say that?

Because the people who killed 3,000 Americans were terrorists, and they were radical Islamic

terrorists.

And they came over here and they plotted and planned and they took advantage of our laxity and our magnanimity to destroy us.

And they would have kept doing it.

There was a plan to take, I think, 11 from the Philippines.

There was a plan to take, they would have kept doing it and doing it and doing it.

And, you know, for all the tragedy of the Iraq War and the weapon, WMD and the nation building, there was something punitive about that.

Because,

you know, when they got there, there were big murals of 9-11.

Not that he was directly directly responsible, but I still think that he had a lot of empathy and contacts with radical Islamicists that he'd bought off of Saddam.

But my point is that that was

the most lethal attack on the American homeland by a foreign power.

I think there were more people killed there than the Battle of New Orleans.

And we've never seen anything like that.

And it's to the credit of George W.

Bush, who's severely criticized for a lot of things, but they didn't do it after that.

He was able to stop, and they were trying.

Remember the

underwater bomber, and they had all these different people, the Fort Hood killer.

There were just a whole series of radical Islamic attacks.

And

I wrote a lot about that.

I'll just finish by saying there was something, and there is something in the Middle East.

It's not just hatred of Christendom and the West.

It's this bin Laden envy.

In other words,

the West will say to a bin Laden or an Islamic terrorist, just stay where you are.

This is not the 19th century where you have the French and the British colonizing you.

We don't want to be there.

If you told an American,

if you would have,

do you want to go into Syria?

Do you want to go to the West Bank?

Maybe you want to go see the pyramids, but you're happy not to go there.

You can leave the Middle East alone.

But they don't feel that way.

They want what the Americans have and the Westerners have, that is TV and all of our crafts culture, whether it's pornography or whether it's iPhones or computers or the internet or NBA, whatever it is, or rap music.

And then they hate themselves because their appetites exceed their religious zealotry.

And so then they blame us.

They say, you corrupted us.

So all of those, if you look at the 19, they all had some experience with the West.

Some of them were even in Nevada looking at

strip joints before that happened.

They were looking at pornography.

These were people who lectured us how decadent we were.

And then they were never questioned.

Nobody ever had the courage to question them.

There was this asymmetry.

So if you made fun of the Prophet, you were going to be killed in Europe.

You could burn down a church and nobody would say a word in Europe.

You could plop down a mosque right in front of a church.

You could take an old abandoned church in Europe and turn it into a mosque.

Try that in any of those countries.

Go into Gaza before or go into the West Bank or go into,

I don't know, Iran and take a church, take a mosque and say, I'm going to turn it into a Mormon church.

See

what happened to you.

So what I'm getting at, there was no symmetry.

It was always asymmetry.

We always have to make

allowances.

We can't just go, what about them?

And I think people

were very angry about that.

And some of that anger wasn't channeled, and it was not in our interest, probably, to try to nation-build.

I supported the Iraq war, but when I was in bed in 2007 and

a brief visit in 2006 on Blackhawks,

I looked at all of the blood and treasure that was going in that country.

And I just came away thinking, like Bismarck had said of the Balkans, it's not worth the bones of one Prussian grenadier.

And I thought,

I just don't think it's worth trying to take a traditional Islamic society and use all of our scant and limited resources because they will hate you more the more affluent and successful they get.

So let's just taper it off.

And I still believe that.

It gets to the point where people keep saying death to America and we hate America and we hate you and

just give them their promise, man.

Just say fine, just get out.

That was what was so terrifying to them about Trump when he had that ban about North Korea and some of the Islamic countries.

That made people angrier than anything.

And if you were just, you could stop all of this pro-Hamas violence in one hour if you just said this.

If you are here on a student visa and you chose to come and enjoy our hospitality and you commit a crime and you're convicted of it, you're going to lose your student visa and you're going to be deported.

You're going to go back immediately and you're going to get your wish.

You hate America, you hate it, the great Satan, go back.

And that would stop it.

Nobody would do anything.

When I lived in Greece two and a half years, almost three years at various times, I was so paranoid about obeying the letter of every law.

I kept saying to myself, I remember being in a bus and the bus driver would throw a bunch of trash out the window in those days.

And Greece was littered with trash.

And all of us said, don't ever do that.

This is their country, your guest.

Be considerate.

Respect their customs.

Don't talk too loud at siesta.

Don't wake people up.

Don't make fun of their religious customs that they're different than yours.

That was the idea of a visitor.

We just allowed that to be completely lost.

They have no respect for it.

The foreign student had no respect.

I'm just generalizing, but the foreign student from the Middle East that's protesting has no respect for the United States

and the type of hospitality that greets them and the freedoms that they enjoy and they do not enjoy in their own country.

And then they have this juvenile idea that they're going to trash this country that is free and prosperous and accords them such hospitality, but they will not go back to where they

champion and romanticize it from a safe distance.

It's sort of like the famous soccer matches in LA Coliseum when Mexican nationals who are illegal alien residents of the United States start cheering for the Mexican team, you know what I mean?

Yes.

Against their own residence team.

Makes no sense.

Well, Victor, thank you so much for this

talk today.

It was absolutely wonderful, and I'm sure that your listeners think that.

And we'd like to thank the listeners as well.

We're nothing without you.

So we appreciate your listening in.

And we'll be back tomorrow with the weekend episode.

So,

please join us.

We'll do a little bit more news and then we'll do something cultural.

Thank you, everybody.

I can't wait till the next broadcast.

We'll talk a little bit to finish our literature, and maybe we talked about the causes of World War II, and we'll talk about the actual outbreak and the invasion of Poland.

All right,

thank you very much, everyone.

This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis Hansen, and we're signing off.

Wherever you go,

whatever they get into, from chill time to everyday adventures, protect your dog from parasites with Credelio Quattro.

For full safety information, side effects, and warnings, visit Credelio Quattrolabel.com.

Consult your vet or call 1-888-545-5973.

Ask your vet for Credelio Quattro and visit QuattroDog.com.