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Victor, Donald Trump had his many days in court, 34 charges brought against him by Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan District Attorney, convicted by a jury of New York City residents on all counts.

This happened quite a while ago now, Victor, but I know our listeners are very eager to hear your take on these verdicts and their consequences and then separately uh we'll uh we'll address a piece you've written about lawfare your thoughts victor yeah i'm very pessimistic uh i didn't think they were going to acquit him i didn't think they were going to have a hung jury i don't think it's going to be reversed on a new york state appeals because that court is as as biased or liberal as this one so

I think it's going to have to wait to the Supreme Court.

And so there's three dimensions to it, Jack.

There's the actual legal dimension.

There's the political dimension.

And then three, there's the dimension for the country.

The legal, I mean,

Donald Trump

was gagged

in this.

He was threatened not to say this or that by Mershon.

And that's his First Amendment right.

So he had this.

Orwellian situation where Michael Cohen was not only talking

in his own to the public, and I don't know why the jury wasn't sequestered, but he was on TikTok trying to grift and make money off it.

And Donald Trump was then carefully told what he could not comment on.

You're entitled,

you know,

to have due process.

And you look at the Fifth and Sixth Amendments.

He didn't have due process.

He never told what, he was never told what the crime was.

He was told that he did a bookkeeping error or he was improperly recording documents.

I guess that's what Hillary Clinton did when she was fined over $100,000 for paying Christopher Steele, who, by the way, was, it's against a law to hire a foreign national to work on a presidential campaign.

Nobody mentioned that Obama was over $300,000.

But they said that that was no longer a misdemeanor and it was no longer subject to the statute of limitation because it was felonious.

felonious and they said he used that for a felony and he never said what the felony was.

And, you know, under the Bill of Rights,

if you read the

Fourth and Fifth Amendment, there's all sorts of protections.

Well, Fourth Amendment, search and seizure, I'll just detour a minute and say that

anybody who thinks that Jack Smith takes an armed SWAT team to go into an ex-president's home and presidential candidate to adjudicate what has traditionally been a civil matter.

And in the case of Joe Biden, who took out documents, and Smith knew that, and he took them out for a longer time in

multiple locations, and his ghostwriter, he was discussing them who did not have a security clearance and who destroyed evidence under subpoena.

But all that aside,

So there was violations in that on the Fourth Amendment.

In the fifth and sixth, he was not allowed to call a expert expert on federal campaign laws to testify what he thought would clarify the issue.

And

he was never apprised of what he was tried for.

And then

he was

charged with 34 counts.

That's excessive.

And that's coming

on the heels of 83 million from Egan G.

Carroll and 175 million.

earlier from Letita James.

And you get the impression that the left is just saying, you you know what, there is no such thing as statute limitation.

There is no such thing as excessive fines or penalties.

There's no such thing as protection of search and seizure.

There's no such thing as freedom of speech.

And so that was what bothered everybody.

We knew how it was going to go.

And we knew how Ann Goron was going to go with...

Letita James, and we knew how Kaplan was going to go with Eugene Carroll.

And we know how the judge down in Georgia is going to go with Fannie Willis, probably the same with Jack Smith.

And we know how it's going to go with Hunter Biden.

I mean, so that's the legal thing, Jack.

And then there's the second question,

and that is

the political.

And there's two elements of the political.

One is he's lost two months on the campaign trail.

And unlike Joe Biden, who outsources his campaign to the media, Donald Trump doesn't.

The media detest him.

So his only way of connecting or resonating with the people is to go and have these massive rallies and tour the country and barnstorm it and fly his plane in.

And everybody cheered.

He can't do that if he's tied up in court.

And he surely can't do that if he's either A, has an ankle bracelet on and confined to his home, or B, cannot leave the state of New York where the trial was adjudicated, or

C, is put in jail.

And so that's a practical matter.

And it didn't take.

How long, Jack, did you think it took

Joe Biden to say that he was a convicted felon?

A couple of days.

Yeah, it was on spec.

That was the whole point of it.

So the political was it took him about 48 hours to say that Donald Trump, convicted felon, convicted felon, convicted felon, and he can't campaign.

And it caught, and they're going to bankrupt.

So politically, the point is to drain a billion dollars in legal fees and fines, A, and B, confine him so he

campaign, and then libel and smear him as a convicted felon.

And then what was really strange is Joe Biden said that he was undermining the legal system by saying that the verdict was illegitimate and unfair.

And I thought, wow, after you did all this, what is he supposed to say?

And then there's what's it do to the country?

And

so when you look at all of these things together, and by that I mean the Carroll and the James

and the Smith and the Bragg and the Willis, you don't have any constitutional protections anymore.

You can come in, the FBI can come in your house.

They can say they're looking for something.

They can arrange the evidence and they can, you know, take pictures if it's all scattered on your floor and they can be, you know, admonished by a judge that they tampered with the it doesn't matter.

And you can't say that this is unfair because they'll put a gag order on you.

You can't get a change of venue.

You'll be tried.

You won't be tried by a jury of your peers.

You might not even get a jury trial in the case of Ngoran.

So he was judge, jury, and executioner.

You can't bring witnesses that you would like.

You won't be apprised by the defense of given time to prepare which witnesses they are going to bring.

You're not going to have a disinterested judge.

Judge Mershon,

as everybody's mentioned, has given given a small amount, but given nonetheless to the Biden campaign.

His daughter got rich trafficking off her connection with her father to left-wing political interest.

And then

you're not subject to any protections of excessive bail or excessive fine.

So they just took up the Bill of Rights and they shredded it.

I'd like to finish this, Frant Jack, with just one other point.

Can we please, please, please dispense with the idea that the White House had nothing to do with this.

I mean, I'm getting so blank, blank tired of that.

Here's what the White House did.

They had, in the Willis case, Nathan Wade on two occasions met with White House counsel, and at least one of them, they met inside the White House counsel's office.

And then he billed the answer.

We know that because he billed

Fulton County for his what?

I don't think he was receiving

advice as much as he was apprising them of the timetable and its connection.

But the point is, think of all the tens of thousands, Jack, of county prosecutions all over the United States.

How many of them does the White House counsel consult with the prosecutor?

And I will make it, I will suggest zero.

Number two,

The third highest ranking prosecutor in Merritt Garland's office, who had made quite a lot of money as a contractor in the past,

not as an attorney as much as a political consultant for the DNC.

Suddenly, he leaves his coveted, esteemed, prestigious job as

the third attorney in a multi-hundred, if not thousand attorney DOJ, and he turns up in Alvin Bragg's

prosecution team.

And I guess the point man, apparently, if you look at the airtime and the prominence of him.

And so I'm going to repeat that question.

Now we're not talking about a county, but we're talking about a city.

How many municipal prosecutions all over the United States does suddenly someone

in

the Department of Judges at the federal level say, oh my God, over there in Fresno, California, they're prosecuting somebody and they need help.

So you, I'm going to resign my coveted prestigious position and go work for the Fresno County DA's office.

That doesn't happen or the Fresno City.

It doesn't happen.

And then third,

Jack Smith was appointed by Merrick Garland, okay, as special counsel.

Jack, what recommended him?

What recommended him?

Why Jack Smith?

I mean, if you're going to get somebody who

is generally considered

not only nonpartisan, but successful in a role as a special counsel, then you wouldn't pick him.

Remember, he took Robert McDonald.

Is it Bob McDonald, the governor of Virginia?

And he railloaded him and convicted him.

And then the Supreme Court, and it never happens, on Republican and Democratic, liberal and conservative justice on a nine to zero

vote overturned.

Jack Smith and ended his brief career as a special counsel.

So he was an utter failure.

But what would recommend him then?

Well, what would recommend him is that he is known, I think, as a man of the left.

His wife is a donor to the Biden campaign in 2020.

She made a, I think it was in 2020 as well, she made a documentary.

I shouldn't call it a documentary.

I looked at part of it online, hagiography of Michelle Obama, and they called it Becoming.

And then she donated it.

I think she donated to the Biden campaign or donated it to the Obamas.

So how, here you have this guy with an utter record of failure and

his whole family's left wing, and then you appoint him for one reason.

What is the reason?

And so

if you don't think the White House is involved with all of these, then people are pretty naive.

Well, Victor, a couple of

points to further get your views on.

One is interesting, the convicted felon as an attack, but I really did believe that the role of the Democratic Party in the last few years to glorify convicted felons in America, right?

Get them out of jail, give them the right to vote, give them whatever they wanted.

Anyway, it's just an interesting little sprint.

The premise of the bills of attainder

prescribed in the constant in the Constitution, it's you're not allowed to do this, but it was specifically done to Trump.

And the essence, right, of bills of attainer has to do with bills, legislation, but it's a larger thing.

We're not supposed to, the government is not supposed to come after a person for the sake of destroying that person.

And that's what this is all about, isn't it?

You say Jack Smith didn't win against Bob McConnell.

Well, in a way, he did win, didn't he?

I mean, he destroyed the reputation.

Yeah, he did.

He destroyed his political career over supposed gifts, and the Supreme Court found it outrageous.

Yeah.

And this,

I mean,

Merrick Garland testified, I think, yesterday.

I didn't know what this prosecutor, I think his name was Coangelo.

Coangelo.

I didn't know he wanted to go over there.

I mean, he's the third man in my office.

I had no idea.

I turned around one day and he was gone.

And then he showed up with Prague.

I know we don't coordinate.

That is, I mean, that is an insult to people's intelligence.

And, you know, when you talk about bills of attainder, it's not just that they'd violate the spirit of

that famous phrase in our Constitution, in the sense that Alvin Bragg went out in advance to go get Donald Trump, and the only way he could get him was to suspend the Statue of Limitations on a misdemeanor by saying that it was a misdemeanor to commit a felony.

So it was targeted in advance, but we don't even have to stretch it that much.

In the case of E.G.

Carroll, a member of the New York legislature, five years earlier than the case, introduced a bill, which it's a left-wing legislature.

He hated Trump, and he said that anybody who was under subpoena by the U.S.

Congress for tax records, and there was only one prominent person at the time named Donald J.

Trump, then the New York

franchise tax board would release his tax returns, which would have federal elements, of course, in it.

And so they did that.

And that's how we learned about Trump's tax.

And then what did they do five years later?

His same fellow introduced a bill in the New York legislature that said for the next 12 months, anybody in New York, meaning Donald J.

Trump, and he only did this because Donald J.

Trump was scot-free off the hook because E.

Jean Carroll couldn't remember the year.

And if she did remember the year, it was either 93, 4, 5, or 6, and it was well beyond the statute of limitation.

He said, anybody in the next 12 months in the state of New York who accuses anybody of sexual harassment is not subject to the statute of limitation.

That was the bill of attainder.

Nobody said a word.

Nobody said a word.

And they keep pushing it, pushing, pushing, pushing.

And at some point, the American people,

you know, when you put this in the larger context of what they're doing to the country, if I could just make a little excursus, we get this Majorkis on television all day today.

And yesterday, I came in late, but just for a second, I was listening to the Fox News on the radio, and he's testifying and he's telling us that all of a sudden Joe Biden found the power, Jack, to question Kestian release

and all this.

I'm thinking, Well, nobody believes you because you overturned 90 executive executive orders and now you're using an executive order, which you said you couldn't do because you were going to blame the Congress.

And why are you doing this after you let in 10 million people?

And you're only doing it not to you're not going to do anything.

You just want to tell people you're doing something.

And so the Democrats in the House, this guy, Patrick Ryan, or what is every, he is from New York, he's all over the airways.

And what happened was clear.

All of these House Republican Democrats and senators went to Biden and said, are you insane?

You've let in 10 million people.

You destroyed the border.

And we like the idea of getting all these people in because they're going to be our future constituents.

But man, slow down because we're up for reelection.

And then the Biden team said, well, what do we want to do?

We don't want to offend the squad.

Well, just say that you're going to have executive orders and get that off television, please, just until the election's over.

Then go back and let them in.

That's what's happening.

And it's happening the same way they came to him and said, you know what?

Get the price of gas down.

Tell those

darn Ukrainians not to hit distilleries in Russia.

Do whatever they want, but do not take oil.

Tell the Iranians and the Venezuelans they pump more oil.

Tell the Saudis that we didn't mean it when we said that they were illegitimate.

And we didn't mean that.

That was just campaign.

Get them to, just like they did, take another million or two barrels out of the strategic reserve.

Get that done before the election.

And then, you know, and tell everybody that the supreme court has no power over you you're going to ignore their ruling that you cannot just unilaterally uh con uh violate a contract or cancel a student loan contract get those billions of dollars of relief to those wealthy art history majors from harvard cancel their debt do that they'll cancel and then go over there and you know you know i know you made fun about donald trump and his tariffs to protect uh american just go into michigan and say don't mention Trump, but do the same thing Trump did.

And that's what they're doing.

He's just pandering on every

imaginable front before the election.

Well, I know you and I are not going to elaborate much on the immigration issue, and I assume you're going to hold off and talk

with Sammy about that at length.

But those executive orders, I saw some analysis in the New York Post today that said

that

we still allow like 1.8 million people into America, or what's left of America,

under these Biden restrictions.

It's insane.

Victor,

I'd just like to mention one other thing, and we're going to take a break and

discuss your ex-piece.

But I did want to say about marching and spending money politically and contributing to

Biden and leftist causes.

Jim Buckley, the great late Jim Buckley, former senator, friend, federal judge.

He was 88 years old and he was living

on the family property in a house.

There were like 20 houses on the Buckley estate up in upstate Connecticut.

And his sister, Priscilla, who used to be the managing editor of National Review, still lived in the big house.

And she decided one day, this was in 2010,

to have a

host a little fundraiser for a congressional candidate there.

And Jim Buckley, retired federal judge, 88 years old, left the entire property, left.

Even though it wasn't happening in his house, it was happening at a house on a property he lived on, because he thought it was wrong for a federal judge to be even

scintilla of connection to a political event, political fundraiser.

I can tell you that my mother was a Fresno County Superior Court judge and a California state appeals judge.

She was a Democrat.

She didn't go to any Democratic meetings.

She did not go to any political meetings.

She did not discuss her political views.

She got even angry when

You know,

I was a graduate student and I was home and I was telling her, I'm getting a big argument with somebody.

She said, please do not tell anybody, don't get into politics, please.

And that was a whole,

these people were not unusual.

That was the idea about judges.

They didn't do that.

And so again,

we're in an era.

It's a larger era now that

this is a revolutionary movement.

I keep saying that.

And people don't understand, they don't appreciate what everybody's trying to tell them.

You know, our listeners do.

I just spent

two weeks with some of the brightest, most interesting people in the world on the tour.

They knew, and they're very frustrated because they try to talk to people and they try to say, this is not the Democratic Party.

This is a revolutionary party.

It wants to change the idea of gender to three genders, four or five.

It wants to destroy the border.

It's not that it's not enforced.

They destroyed it.

It wants to destroy fossil fuels.

It wants to create a permanent racial system of spoils.

And it wants to take the

It looks at the revolutionary,

I think it looks at the Jacobin 1793 reign of of terror that's what the judges did and i think that's what we're doing right now they weaponize the court system

and they don't care if you say well they're destroying the country they said you think duh we don't like the founding it got worse during the maturity of the country and it's awful now and so That's what we have to readjust, that we're in a revolutionary struggle to keep this country.

And these people will do anything,

which brings up, just to finish this

on the legal matter, this is a very interesting case.

All of us have a little devil on our left shoulder, and he says, hey,

they'll never learn.

They will never learn.

And we'll get to the tweet I wrote about it, unless you do the same to them.

Not that you want to.

Maybe it'll have a spiral of dissent where we'll go back and forth and we'll not recognize.

But that's the only thing these people understand.

And the other little angel on our right shoulder says, please, please, no, no.

Remember the legacy of George H.W.

Bush.

Remember John McCain.

Remember Mitt Romney.

These were sober and judicious Marcus of Queensbury Rules people.

They taught us that we don't descend.

And Mitt Romney speaks up and says, you know, when they said that I put my dog on the...

the roof of my car, that my wife really was kind of faking an MS because she was an equestrian and I didn't, I had an elevator in my home and I didn't speak to the African-American man who picked up my trash each week.

That was pretty, I understood that.

I didn't fight back.

You don't have to fight.

And then John McCain's ghost would say, you know, they said that I couldn't remember that I had 11 houses in that campaign.

And they said that I had an affair right in the middle of it.

But, you know,

I lost nobly.

And then George H.W.

Bush said, you know, McCain, the Bill Clinton, Caravelle, George Stephen, when they got done with me,

I was dead in re-election.

Well, that's the right side.

Don't play like they do.

And that's the big discussion right now, because

I tend to favor the little devil in a red union suit on my left shoulder, because I, and I tweeted, and we'll get to it in a minute, Jack, but I tweeted some things you could do.

Well, let's

is it was the devil was wearing, I hope it was an asbestos union suit.

Well, I didn't want, I didn't want to get, I thought when I said red union perspective, I I thought, well, maybe given Jack's familiarity with medieval Christianity, there was a strain that said devils, weren't they green?

Not red.

How did you know that?

That's true.

I didn't know it.

Of course, you know everything.

I know you're green.

No, no.

Devils were green, right?

Yeah, I did not know it.

I can tell you.

I went to

1K through 6.

I say it again.

There was only 10 non-Hispanics of school, about 300 kids.

And I was the only non-Catholic.

And I would go go in, and these people would come from catechism.

They got Fridays off.

They took the bus, they took them to catechism.

And before they'd left, they'd say, Victor, the devils,

los diablos,

no están rojos.

They're not red.

They're green.

And we started saying, I said, no estamberdes.

No.

And they said, yes, yes.

And so they won the argument.

And

the Chantra and the stained glass windows from the 12th century, the devil is green.

Yes, so I'm sorry about that little devil on my shoulder.

He looks like

he looks like an iguana.

That's okay.

All right, okay.

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Here's what Victor wrote yesterday.

Republicans are debating whether, for the sake of the country, to play the adult role and take the high road, eschewing tit-for-tat lawfare, or should they reciprocate in kind to restore deterrence and remind the left to stop it.

given what they do to others, even more seriously, could be done to them.

If the latter choice, what might be the areas of pushback should the Republicans capture the White House and Congress in 2025?

Victor, you posed the question.

And in this very long

and very important,

I'll call it a tweet, you answered it.

Victor, what are some of those?

Well, we're told, you know, that Alvin Bragg,

one of the reasons that he was able to convict Donald Trump, because he said that when Donald Trump claimed this as a legal expense rather than a campaign expense, then the American people were deprived of knowledge that would

allow them to make an informed decision.

And of course, Jack Smith said the same thing in his indictment, that Donald Trump's insurrectionary activity

and his questioning of the results

warped people's view of the election.

Okay, so I was just thinking, remember in 2016, the current National Security Advisor of the United States, Mr.

Jake Sullivan, was

Hillary's campaign.

Their chief, harder to believe, because he doesn't seem to know very much.

This is the guy, I remember, Jack, that said just a few days before October 7th that the calmest portfolio he had was the Middle East.

But anyway, he said that Donald Trump was communicating in his Trump tower with some kind of automatic process, ping, ping, ping, that his computer system was communicating with the Alpha Bank.

And therefore, this was proof of Russia inclusion.

It was a complete lie.

And yet he tried to seed this.

We know that because when Durham went after Sussman,

that testimony came in.

And what was that?

That was trying to affect, that was election interference.

Maybe we can get a bill of attainer and say, you know, Mr.

Sullivan, you may be National Security Advisor, but we're going to suspend the statute because you did that to commit a felony

that's not subject to, you know, statute of limitation.

Then we have Anthony Blinken.

So he looked at Sullivan and he thought, hmm.

That was pretty smart what he did, even though he'll be lost.

I'm going to top that.

So the first debate's coming up.

He thought, hey, Joe doesn't speak very well.

They're going to hit him on the laptop.

They just found the FBI has had it from 2019.

It might leak out that it's accurate.

We know the FBI thinks it's accurate.

What are we going to do?

Oh, I know what I'll do.

I'm the foreign policy guru of the Biden campaign.

I'll call up my old buddy, Mike Moral, who was for a time an acting CIA director.

Hey, Mike, this is, I'm ad Libby now, Anthony Blinken, and you got to get some cred because Joe's going to be debating in a few days.

Round up anybody you can.

And of course, Morale said, who has no ethics and who is a proven liar?

Ah, two people I know.

One, John Brennan, he lied under oath on two occasions and nothing happened to him.

And he's a toll chime partisan.

I'll call it Brennan.

James Clapper, he lied too.

And when they caught him lying under oath, he said, I just gave the least truthful, the least untruthful.

He got them and he thought, who is also a partisan?

Ah,

Leon Panetta.

He was CIA director.

Hey, you guys, can you get 50, let's get 50 people to say that this laptop that was found in a repair shop where Hunter left it, and no one has ever questioned who was involved in the communications, the emails that are on the laptop, i.e.

the people who sent those things, all said they were accurate.

But apparently somebody working for Putin

just by accident got the right names and the right messages.

But in any case, can you say that this thing, now you have to be very careful because you don't don't want to say that it's Russian disinformation.

You have to say it has all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation.

You have to have an escape clause because you know you're going to be lying.

And that's what they did.

And so, I guess what, three or four days later, Donald Trump walks right into it.

He says, and Joe Biden, your whole family is right on the laptop taking money.

You're getting paid.

And then Joe Biden, I'm tired of that.

51, bipartisan, 51.

And that's where we were right before the election.

And then a conservative organization, although it may be biased ran a poll you remember that jack and they said that they polled people if you had known the laptop was not what would it make and they said yes and so isn't that election interference are they going to go back and say the statute of limitations no longer applies those were felonies maybe we can do phone call impeachments they impeached donald trump because he's got this bizarre idea that biden was uh hunter was making 80 000 a month and that joe biden fired victor slocan who was looking into that.

And Biden bragged about it.

So, of course, Trump says, well, you know, you guys need some offensive weapons.

And by the way, the Democrats won't give it to you, but I made sure you're going to have javelins.

You might need them someday.

But until you get them, just hold on a minute.

I want to know that

you're not

corrupt.

You're not paying the Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and the conglomerate to interfere and quit

politics.

And they said, oh, my God, Biden is likely,

not certain, likely to be your candidate opponent in 2020.

That is impeachable.

You held up

congressionally approved offensive weapons for political purposes and they impeached him.

Well, we just found out that Joe Biden said, you know what?

You guys may be going into Gaza and the last stronghold of Hamas and ready to

destroy it, but I'm going to hold 3,500

smart bombs up.

You're not going to get them.

I suspended it.

And even though the Congress approved it, you're not getting it.

You know why?

Because

I got voters.

He didn't say this, but this is why.

I've got voters in Michigan that hate the Israelis' guts and they're anti-Semitic and they vote.

And so when I tell them that I suspended crucial offensive weapons, even though Congress had approved them, they may vote.

They may vote for me.

That's an impeachable.

They should impeach him for that.

And then we talked about insurrection.

That was another thing that

Jack Smith said that was

Donald Trump had done.

He was insurrectionary.

So when Donald Trump said, I know everybody here, what did he say?

I know everybody here.

I think he said something will be marching to the Capitol peacefully and patriotically to

make your voice heard or something.

Okay.

Well, Camilla Harris, and I have my little quote.

I don't quite have this by memory.

Right during June of 2020, right after we had heard that they tried to storm the White House grounds and get the president, who went down to a bunker.

And by the way, the New York Times said Trump was a coward for doing that.

And right after they tried to burn down that beautiful little church of St.

John's Episcopal Church across from the White House, and right in the context of burning police precincts and federal courthouses in Portland, Minneapolis, et cetera, she said they're not going to stop.

She went on Colbert and he kind of baited her.

He said, well, do you think it's kind of dying down?

And she said, no, they're not going to stop.

They're not going to stop.

They're not.

This is a movement, I'm telling you.

They're not going to stop.

And everyone, beware, because they're not going to stop.

They're not going to stop.

Here's a key word, Jack.

They're not going to stop before Election Day in November.

And they're not going to stop after Election Day.

And everyone should take note of that in both levels.

They're not going to let up and and they should not

and we shouldn't, we, we, we should not.

So what she was basically saying is that we're going to use this demonstration and they're not going to stop and we're not going to let them because it's going to affect the election.

They're going to go all the way to election day.

And you know what happened as soon as she said that?

Snopes, PolitiFact, all of those hack left-wing operatives that

function as quote-unquote fact-checkers under the guise of being disinterested.

She didn't actually say violent.

She just meant protest.

And my question to them is, what protests were pretty quiet that summer in general, and in June in particular, in the city in which this political action was happening called Washington?

Does anybody think that that is

a violent?

So when Donald Trump said to that group, assemble peacefully and patriotically, they hadn't done anything violently yet.

I think it was reckless to say that, but not as reckless after they had done something violent for the vice president soon to be vice presidential candidate.

And I think we should go back and say, you know what?

Statute of limitations is not enough.

That's not enough.

March of 2020, Chuck Schumer got right in front of a mob, right in front of a mob at the Supreme Court doors, and he shouted out by name.

By name, I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price.

But he wasn't satisfied with that, Jack.

He said, you won't know what hit you, hit you, hit you, if you go forward with these awful decisions.

And you know what?

Within months, people were showing up at whose home?

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, including a would-be assassin.

Did anybody, is that advocating the insurrection area?

Is that what Jack Smith should be looking at?

Because he's looking at Trump, and then we get, as I said, campaign finance violations.

113,000 Hillary, 375,000 for Obama.

Although they waited until the 2012 re-election campaign was over and went back, and I think it was in 2015 or

13, five years post facto, and said, oh, back of the way,

we could have told you that he got a bunch of donations from foreign services, and he didn't tell us about it.

And by the way, they still haven't found that donor, whoever he was, who gave 60-something million dollars to Biden.

We don't know who he was.

They're still finding it just anonymous.

But

that money that he was fined, Obama, and Clinton was fined, was for amounts of money that were raised or services rendered that far exceeded that little $130,000 for Stormy Daniels.

And then we,

you know, sexual assault.

I hate to get into it, Jack, but we had to hear all that testimony about Stormy, right?

And we were told that Donald Trump is a pervert, da, da, da, da, da, da.

And

he's a sexual assaulter and all that.

So we should just go look at Joe Biden.

I hope that the people can say, you know what?

We're going to have an investigation.

We had a Secret Service agent, and she told everybody in 2014, there's a book that she was interviewed, not she singular, but plural, that Joe Biden gets out of the pool and he prances around naked in front of them.

That's sexual exposure.

Did anybody go back?

We've got to go back and look at that.

And

I don't want to get too gross, but in 2020, remember, Jack, those two women came forward and said,

Joe Biden violated my private space.

This was me too.

Camilla Harrison, said i believe both of them and then about two more came he had a habitual serial problem he blew on people's hair he kissed too long he grabbed your shoulders and finally joe biden apologized he said you know what i'm from the old school and then they had all those new york times washington post we got to understand that joe's from a different generation they sure didn't say that about what was his name senator from oregon portman or whatever that oh bob packwood packwood they ended his career for that stuff And then we have Tara Reed.

She said, just about the time of E.

Gene Carroll, she said that Joe Biden, whom she worked for, had sexually talked in a risque manner to her and at one point put her against a wall and digitally penetrated.

I'm sorry, listeners, I did not want to get too graphic, but this is what we're talking about.

And nobody believed her.

And they said the statute limitations are over with.

Apparently they want for E.

Gene Carroll.

Isn't there one person in Delaware or Washington that on the right can introduce a bill that says, hey, by the way, for one year, you can go after Joe Biden on Tara Reed.

Instead, they demonized her.

But

she told her mother about it.

Her mother called Larry King's talk show and said, my daughter has been sexually assaulted by a prominent politician.

There was a lot more evidence for that than wack E.

Jean Carroll.

And then we get to the worst of all, and that was

the Ashley Biden diary.

I mean, I don't like to get in there, but the woman has had a lot of problems with drugs and sex in her later life.

And she said in her diary that she was hyper-sexualized.

I have never seen that verb, but I know what it means, at a very young age.

And then she paused in her diary and said that she took showers with, quote, my dad.

And that was probably not appropriate.

as a young age.

Are you going to go back now?

And are you going to, or are we going to say as a country and applied the post-Trump standards?

And we're going to say, okay,

Joe Biden, you've been accused of sexual assault.

Joe Biden, you've been accused of sexual harassment.

Joe Biden, you've been accused of sexual exposure.

And Joe Biden, by inference, you may be guilty of sexual abuse of a child.

Are we going to do that?

Because that's all there.

It is as credible or not credible with what they hung around Trump's neck.

And then the final piece of resistance is the classified files.

Jack Smith.

So he alleged that,

I guess Jack Smith alleged that Donald Trump took out files to Mar-Lago 20 and after about less than two years later, he didn't give a proper inventory.

He did there was a dispute, just like there was in Obama, but he didn't cooperate.

So they armed the FBI and they had a SWAT team and they burst into his house.

They searched Melania's underwear drawer.

They went through all of Marlago.

They indicted one of his employees because he said that he didn't cooperate or he didn't have the, he erased the camera, whatever.

And then they remember that little neat trick where they took pictures, Jack, it looked all messed up.

And now we learn they doctored the evidence that they've been reprimanded, that the evidence as they found it in the house was not the evidence as they reported it as far as which is in which file and where it was.

And my only point is,

does anybody think that

Joe Biden did not do something worse?

Mr.

Hurst said he had them from 2017.

So in terms of chronology, and he said he took them out, and also in that her report, he said he took them out in the Senate career.

He could have taken them out for 30 years.

He didn't put them in Mar-Lago.

He put them in a very unsecure place.

And that picture in her report of that, you saw that box that was half turned over with the files.

It was looked like a melt carton pouring out.

And then

he had them in his office.

He had them

in Washington.

He had them at the Ark.

He had them everywhere.

And then they said, well, Donald Trump discussed the files with people who didn't have

security clearance.

Yeah, like Joe Biden's ghostwriter.

He said to his ghostwriter, hey, you better be careful.

You know, I shouldn't tell you this.

This is classified stuff on that file but i'll tell you that's on tape and her apparently asked for those tapes and guess what the ghostwriter tried to destroy the event just like hilly did he did it probably because he knew that hilly never got charged for destroying her communications devices that were proof that she had broken the law by transmitting classified information and you know what robert her he was able with forensics to recover that and they let him off on that they let off the ghostwriter and they let off Joe Biden.

And so my point is, in all of these cases, and I'm not even talking about the Biden family corruption or any of that other stuff, but you could do so much.

And I'm not saying that

they should do it, but they need to shoot, give them, as Napoleon said, I don't want to use a martial term, but a whiff of grape shot, send something across their bow.

Just tell them, look, what you're doing is destroying the country.

We don't want to do this, but you're going to have to just understand.

You know, I'll just finish

this

oration.

Did you hear Trey Gowdy the other day?

I like Craig Gowdy.

I've met him.

I have a great deal of admiration.

But he says something that I thought was a little disturbing.

I was driving home from

my trip.

I just got home, and we were playing the news.

And he said that he was a little disappointed that they're kind of make something out of Hunter Biden's bookkeeping, that

he filled out a petition for a handgun, and he didn't say that he was a drug user, and he lied about it because he said he was not.

And he said, in the vast majority of cases, that's not prosecutable.

Maybe so, but I think a lot of people who are listening know that if they went to a gun store and they were habitual drug users and that came out in another case and they had a gun, that DA would go after them.

And he says that's not true but I want to make a better point what do you think Donald Trump did yeah you know what I mean he he was he was charged with over 30 felonies for what because he didn't list a legal expense which it was as a campaign expense if Donald Trump had said I paid Stormy Daniels as I had contracted in 2015, she was bragging and boasting that she had sex with me.

Now, I claim she didn't.

But more importantly,

this happened in 2006.

And I was under the,

and she said later that she didn't have sex with me, but I had a non-disclosure.

But I'm going to not say it's a legal expense.

I'm going to count it as a campaign expense.

Well, what would they do with that?

They would charge them anyway.

They would say, that's not a campaign.

That's a non-disclosure, a legal expense.

So what I mean is, Trey, yeah, you're right, but you're right.

What you're talking about is 20 years ago, we're not 20 years ago, we're in a new surwellian surrealistic world where they are doing exactly to

on federal documents.

If you lie on a federal document, and Trump did not lie because it was a legal expense.

And yet they're going to destroy him.

And so for you to say poor Hunter, they went, they were asymmetrical.

Maybe they were in a perfect world, but not in this world.

And then that's just admitting or ignoring that two whistleblowers went up to the prosecutors and said, this guy is a tax cheat big time.

I'm talking about a million plus dollars.

And they had a sweetheart deal that was going to let him off with nothing until a brave judge hold it.

This is the worst thing I've ever seen.

We're not going to let this go.

So the idea that when Trey said that

if it hadn't been Hunter Biden, he wouldn't be in this jam.

No, that's not true.

He's done so many things that are outrageous from quid pro quo, grifting, leveraging his father's name, the whole corrupt $20 million probably came in.

He lied about he never got any money from China.

He did not pay taxes on all the income.

He was

all these sordid things with these women, all of this stuff.

Drugs, gun.

He's lucky that this is the least they could have thrown the book at him, and they would anybody else.

Well, Victor,

he's on trial right now as we are discussing,

recording this episode.

And I'd like to get your thought

on the possible outcome and its ramifications.

And we'll do that right after this important message.

We're back with the Victor Davis-Hansen show.

Hey, Victor,

we want to talk about Caitlin Clark.

Maybe we'll get a conclusion here on Hunter Biden.

Again, he's on trial in Wilmington, Delaware.

You know,

I just, I think we live in an era of jury nullification.

It's not like this isn't part of our history to some degree, right?

Southern

juries

in the 30s, 40s, 50s.

You know, it's not, we're not the most perfect pristine nation, but I think we're seeing it full-blown again.

My view is he's not going to be convicted

in Delaware, but let's say he's not.

First of all, you're...

Remember what the U.S.

Concept is.

Jack, it's just a routine gun case.

That's what it should be.

It's just like Donald Trump's got a routine bookkeeping error.

Sounds like it's a crime.

Otherwise, we wouldn't be prosecuted.

But do you think if he's not convicted that this will be beneficial in one way or another or harmful or

yeah,

they box themselves into a Trump.

When they got these,

I think,

unethical, if not illegal, indictments, and they jury pick these blue states and counties and jurisdictions, whether it's Fulton County or Manhattan or Washington, D.C.

And then they cherry-pooked a Judge Kaplan or a Judge Murshon or Judge Ingram.

And they thought they were so cute.

And they got what they wanted, which was Donald Trump out the Compane Trail and convicted felon, convicted felon in their parlance.

Okay, they got all that.

But now they got him there,

Hunter.

And he's got a lot more illegal exposure than Donald Trump.

Now,

there's only two possible outcomes.

He's either going to be let off scot-free or they're going to throw the book at him in a way that maybe the jury might believe some of them.

And they're trying to do a lot of that.

Not quite throw the book, but they are prosecuting him.

They're both bad.

Because let's take the first one.

So they let him off,

and the American people say, wait a minute,

he lied on a federal document.

And you're saying that Donald Trump mischaracterized a federal document, but you didn't even have a federal prosecutor.

You had a state prosecutor doing something that the federal attorney said

didn't even warrant a prosecution.

And you get him off in his own native state.

He gets off in Delaware and Donald Trump is in this left-wing state,

this is unequal justice.

I think it'll really help Donald Trump, tell you the rule, if he gets off, because it's not even subtle anymore that there's two states of justice.

Now, on the other hand,

if this prosecutor is pretty good, I think he is pretty good, maybe, I think the jury is going to nullify it because that's what juries do.

They all appeal, the prosecutors and the defense attorneys appeal to them, usually on class or gender or racial terms, thinly coded sometimes, but that's what it is.

This person doesn't like you because you're gay.

This person doesn't like you because you're black.

This person, that kind of stuff for nullification.

But let's just say that they're really threatening him and he's going to go to prison.

Do you really believe that Hunter Biden is going to go 20 years to prison

when he knew that James Biden and Joe Biden and Frank Biden were demanding money, money, money?

I mean, during a tax case, everybody remembers, and please, listeners, with your photographic memories, I'm doing this from memory, correct me, but I think

that

Hunter Biden's attorney said to the investigators and the prosecutor, we may have to bring in Joe Biden to testify.

And they said, Oh my God, are you serious?

You would have your own father testify?

He's president of the United States.

I don't want to.

Oh, my God, we can't have him.

And we look at those, I read a lot of those exchanges.

They were full of anger, anger at Joe Biden.

He said, you know what, I pay his power bills.

I'm the guy that they always trash.

I'm the guy that brings the money.

And I'm getting tired of it.

Does anybody in this family know that I've been supporting dad and all these people?

Remember, he said all that?

And he's really bitter.

And remember what he said about Jill Biden?

I can't repeat it.

I mean, I've been.

I don't remember.

He talked about her what did he say oh it's on that

oh my gosh i won't i don't know how i can frame it i'm being a little overdramatic but he said he wrote an email to her she wrote an email something to the extent i think hunger it's you're over the top and it's time to get drug counseling rehabilitation and she wrote you are a mediocre c blank blank t four letter word oh yeah yes

correct me if i'm wrong but he he did so my point is there's evidence that he has a great deal of hostility uh

and his his his wounded fond role that hunter has played is

now

yes i was a womanizer yes i was utterly derelict yes i left crack pipes and rented cars yes i took pictures of my own genitalia yes i was framed and I got ripped off by hookers.

I did every,

yes, I seduced my brother, my dead brother's widow.

Yes, I got her to use drugs with me, apparently.

I did all of that.

But the reason I did all of that was because you people, you Biden three brothers, never made any money and you wanted to live like you were kings.

And I understood it.

What was I supposed to do?

Dad was the only one that had any income potential.

Not that he made any money, but he had potential of quid pro quoing foreign governments and interest and companies.

So I came into the lurch and I said, the Biden family is broke.

And that was the alpha.

And when I got done with the Omega, the Biden family was wealthy.

And who did it?

The guy that you make fun of.

Druggy hunter.

Sex pervert hunter.

Crude hunter.

Yes, you make fun of me, but I did all that for you.

And now you have a nice

life.

And I'm going to take the rap for all that.

I was just a tool.

You were the people who were the catalyst.

I was your tool.

But it was your motive and your agenda that I fulfilled.

And that's why he's so bitter.

And he has reason to be bitter, but he's still,

I don't know what to say, a profligate creep.

Some Fredo Corleone and all that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, he is.

So, although he's not stupid and he has no self-control, but he's not stupid.

And

this is,

you know, they're really tense when that new wife, and I think it must be wife two, but probably live in five or six, she went in the courtroom.

And the fellow who did the under the term Marco Polo, you remember that the laptop, all of that matter?

It was a Herculean task.

He didn't editorialize.

He just put a whole, everything is out there.

And he even airbrushed the nude scenes.

He wasn't trying to titillate because he.

All of the genitalia were airbrushed out in that printed version.

But my point, and he had it online, but the point is he was in the courtroom, and she came up and used a lot of profanities at him and called him a Nazi blank, blank, blank in the court as she walked by him.

So that family is full of, you know, this can't be happening to us.

How dare you do this to us?

And he's not a sympathetic character.

And I don't think he's going to...

be a sympathetic character.

And

I would say that the big, finally, there is one thing we haven't discussed, and that is

on the border, on energy, on crime, on foreign policy, on the lack of deterrence,

especially inflation, they know that they have a losing,

even with the media and all that, they have a losing cause, and they don't trust the voters.

They don't believe in democracy.

They say democracy dies in darkness.

They'd strangle democracy in open sunlight.

They don't care.

And they think they're going to lose.

And they think if they're going to lose, they think this,

if I were Donald Trump

and Donald Trump thought like I did,

and I know what I did to Donald Trump.

And if I were Donald Trump, I would, and I got into office and I had a, even a thin one, a margin in the Senate and the House, I know what I would do to the people who did this to me.

And that's how they think.

So they think, you know what?

That's all they talk about now is don't vote for Donald Trump.

He's going to take revenge.

He's going to get even.

And the subtext is we know what we did to him.

That's what we would do.

So he thinks like we do.

And that's what they're scared of because they think he's going to appoint a special prosecutor, not some Durham guy, a professional full-time.

I mean, a wild

partisan, kind of like a Jack Smith.

And then they think there's going to be a lot of Fannie Willises

and

Alvin Bragg's popping up in Alabama and Idaho and Utah.

And they think there's going to be that kind of stuff.

And that's what they're scared about.

They know what they did.

They do know what they did.

Even if they can't be convicted, they could be litigated into bankruptcy, right?

That was the point.

They didn't even care of Donald Trump.

You know, another thing I should have said was when I was pointing out about

Nathan Wade consulting with the White House, I was pointing out that Jack Smith's wife has been heavily involved in left-wing politics and that Jack Smith tried this before with the governor of Virginia, and it was reversed.

We're also forgetting one thing.

There was a political article.

Oh,

I think it was in January of this year, Jack, where

I don't know if you remember it, but it went something like this.

Joe Biden, and political always brags that they have the inside dope because they are synonymous with the

Obama people, who is basically running that administration.

So they have inside sources.

Inside sources repeated, a great number of them, this is how the article went, tell us that Joe Biden is frustrated.

He is angry at

Merrick Garland, because Merrick Garland cannot ensure that these indictments will take place before the election.

And then typical politico to

protect Merrick Garland and a Judic and protect Joe Biden, They didn't want to see friction there.

So they're reporting the story

truthfully that Biden is mad at Garland, but then they want to stick up for Garland.

So at the end of the story, they say, and

it wasn't Garland's effort.

It's the most damning thing I've ever read.

It says

it wasn't Garland's fault that he didn't get it.

It was Donald Trump's evasive resistance of thinking, okay, so here all of these

political liberals and progressives are saying

Merrick Garland wanted to rush forward because Biden said, get it done, get in the convicted felon rubric.

And Jack Smith went to court and he tried to speed it up and he didn't, and it didn't.

And Joe Biden was angry.

What the hell is wrong with Slow Coach Merrick?

Why does he do this?

And then politicals goes, yeah, that's true, Joe.

But in his defense, it's Donald Trump.

He tried to resist, thinking, you mean somebody who is being railroaded into oblivion is supposed to be criticized because he's saying, wait a minute, I have an attorney.

I'm going to try to stop this.

That was so weird.

And well, Victor, let's,

I think we did all our commercial breaks, so I'm not going to

talk too long, but I think it's, I've got a,

I've got a whole, I'm stored up from all of you.

From the perspective of your listeners, Victor, you can never talk.

Well,

I had a great

two weeks with some really great people, but my mind was, I was,

you know, I wasn't talking about the stuff we're talking now.

It was about history and stuff.

Well,

that's great.

Now, let's talk about one last topic, and that's Caitlin Clark.

Now, I care about women's basketball because why, Victor?

I live in Connecticut.

and all five of my kids graduated from UConn.

And maybe my daughter was friendly with some of the UConn girls' basketball players.

And so women's basketball is kind of a religion in Connecticut.

I don't think much else of the country.

Oh, Stanford, the girls' basketball team has won a couple of national championships.

But everything's been.

highlighted this sport, women's and WNBA, through Caitlin Clark,

great basketball player from Iowa.

And she just joined the WNBA.

And as most of our listeners, if not all of our listeners, even those who don't care about women's basketball, which is most of America, know about this hack hit on her

by a woman, Kennedy Carter, who's a bit of a hack that plays for the Chicago WNBA team.

Caitlin Clark plays for the Indiana Fever.

She was

a basketball court version of a soccer punch.

And Victor, the commentariate has opened up.

And you're part of the commentariat.

We want to hear your commentary.

But, Victor,

there's a lot of race.

There's a lot of race going on in America, racial tension going on in every institution, everywhere in America.

Why not the WNBA?

Why not all sports?

Caitlin Clark's white,

talented,

heterosexual, and is a target.

Your thoughts, Victor?

Well,

here's the ostensible anger why they're taking these cheap shots at her.

I mean, part of it is they always do that to somebody who's preeminent of any race or gender and anything.

But this is different.

60 to 65 percent of the women's professional basketball league, national NBA,

are black.

And nobody watches it.

Not because there's a lot of black players, but because they find

male basketball, which is, I think, 65 or 70% black, used to be 75% much more interesting.

So you have a largely black league, and about 2%

of the population

female is lesbian.

And we don't have, nobody knows this, but people have suggested it might be be a quarter or even higher in the NBA.

So in that demographic,

people are getting $60,000 or $70,000 a year.

Nobody watches it, so to speak.

So then you get this superstar who just explodes Women's Basketball League at the collegiate level.

And she's unfortunately white and she's heterosexual.

So she's going into the Women's Basketball League and she's making wave.

She's getting all this money.

Not a lot compared to males, but a lot more than the other people, and she's bringing attention.

And so you would think that, regardless of your sexual persuasion or your color, you would say, man, this is great.

I know that I'll give you an example.

I work at the Hoover Institution.

When I was there since 2002, there were hardly any historians there.

We had some joint appointments.

I think I was the only historian with an exclusive Hoover point.

When we brought in Neil Ferguson from Harvard, was my reaction to go push him?

No, it was just the opposite.

It was, wow, man,

one of the marquee historians in the world.

And then when we had a chance to bring in Andrew Roberts, and I tried to help with that, I thought, am I going to go,

you know,

check Andrew Roberts?

No, this is a brilliant guy.

He wrote this Churchill Bible.

He did Napoleon.

He did George III.

He did the history of the English-speaking peoples.

He did the storm of war.

This is a great honor to be a colleague of his.

He only enhances.

Even if

I was a selfish, egocentric, narcissistic, no-good SOB, I would say this is in my interest.

Not to mention, I liked both of them a great deal.

I admired them a great deal.

I liked them there.

And then

two years ago, we brought the great Russian historian Stephen Kotkin in, the Stalin biographer from Princeton.

Did I say, oh my God, I'm going to go hit him in the rib cage.

He's got too much attention.

No, look at him.

So this is enhancing history.

Now we're even better than most universities.

In fact, compared to the history department at Stanford, that's ideologically so biased that the students don't even want to take them anywhere.

We've got these great historians, Koch and Roberts, Neil Ferguson, H.R.

McMaster, who's written stuff on it.

Great.

It's wonderful.

Well, why didn't they have that attitude?

That's what they should have done.

Instead, they just get jealous and jealous and racist and angry.

And, you know,

I got really angry.

Could I ask you a question?

What do you think of?

I'm not a big fan of his, but I just want to ask you, he's been very political.

Bob Costas, you know that sports commentator?

Yes.

He really mouthed off on politics lately.

He's a man of the left.

He's mouthed off about politics for quite a while.

Go ahead.

So he.

Well, they went after the African-American commentator, Stephen Smith, and said he didn't report on it enough.

And And they were trying to say he was baking, he was suffering from Uncle Tomism.

But aside from that, Bob Cossus thought, you know what, I got to get a colonist.

I got to get a real good take on this.

So then he comes out and he says, You didn't say anything when there were preeminent black women and they try to take them out.

Okay.

And so now, but you only blue on a white woman and things.

Okay,

but that's called ruse, Bob.

So

when you think that George Floyd would have made waves if a black cop had shot George Floyd or put his knee on George Floyd's neck?

No.

Do you think that

when

people,

when you look at the crime rate of blacks killing blacks, it's exorbitant.

But when a black person kills an Asian person or kills a white, people get more attention and vice versa.

When a white person who rarely ever shoots a black person or when they do that, does that get news?

So let's just transfer that paradigm, not about race, Bob, but about frequency.

So in the NBA, when it's 60% black and black people are checking preeminent black people, that's one thing.

But when they do it white, there becomes a racial component, especially if there's been commentary, Bob, for the last six weeks about that she's a bitch and she thinks she's too good and all of the commentators are saying it's because she's white.

That's called news.

You're a journalist, supposedly, even if you are a sports journalist.

So there's nothing difference.

And if he thinks that

when a black cop shoots a black suspect and it doesn't make news, and then when a white cop shoots it and all of a sudden everything, what is he going to say about that?

What does he say?

Also, why has Bob Costas not covered curling, badminton,

field hockey?

I mean, nobody gets it.

I'm so sick of this.

I'm so sick of this.

I'm so sick of performance art virtue signaling, where all these peak people come out and they look at this status quo orthodox.

Can't some brave voice, a voice in the wilderness, speak the truth?

He just wants to join in and have a little taika take.

That mind works like this.

I got to get on the orthodox 55% view and virtue signal that I'm superior morally to everybody, but I got to have a take.

So I'll come up with a take.

Ah, there were black women that were punched in the ribs by other black women when they scored too much, but nobody said that.

That proves they're racist.

No, it doesn't.

It proves that it's not news, but it is news when black commentators, the moment she stepped in the league, accused her of getting undue attention, and then black people went after her.

That is a news story, whether you like it or not, for whatever reason.

There's been an anti-Clark

race

discussion,

social media talk, Victor, for well over a year.

Let me ask Bob Cosas one thing.

Does he think in 1946 or 47,

they reported every single time when white players threw balls to brush back batters, pitchers.

They did it every damn, excuse me, every dawn

game.

A white Southerner would throw a pitch at the head of a white Southern batter.

But when Jackie Robinson was there, they reported it.

Why?

Because there was some other

story about that, right?

That they were doing that.

Partly because he was an opposing batter, but partly in some cases, they were doing it because he was black.

And no one had questioned that.

So why can't he just look at this and say, this is a predominantly black league, and you have an isolated white woman who's preeminent, just the way a preeminent Jackie Robinson was during a white baseball league.

And every time there was a case of violence when they spiked him or when they pushed him coming home or when they said something to him, and they did that all the the time to other white players.

But to him, there was an edge to it.

And people reported that, just like they do this all the time to other black players, but when they did it to her, there was an edge to it.

That's all we're asking, Bob.

Just get off your moral, sanctimonious high horse for a second.

The biggest problem with the left, just to rant one, is it's not just that they have a nihilistic Midas touch, that everything they get their hands on, they turn to dross.

But more importantly, they're so sanctimonious.

They're so insecure about their material comfort and their titles and all of that, because it's so contrary to radical equality of result that this certain type of upper middle class or wealthy person always has to virtue signal.

And it's so disgusting, you know, especially that white bicostal wealthy elite that becomes a spokesman for white people and then they always confess to all these collective sins when they never experience the real world.

And they don't know anything about, they don't know what it's like to be Caitlin Clark, to go out there and be hit all the time.

And for what?

Because she thinks she's too good?

Is that what they think?

Yes, that's what they think.

They think, wow.

You know, and they did, you remember about 10 years ago, there was an Asian player that was an overnight phenomenon.

And he hit three-pointers, and all the black players got angry.

All the black commentaries, because all of a sudden Asian, there were huge Asian crowds coming out to root him on.

Well, we do that.

We do that.

Yeah, you do it.

And you make up 75% of the league.

So it's not news.

Just like, but an Asian guy who's 5'9, that's news.

Just like Caten Clark, a big, tall, white one, that's news.

Just like Jackie Robinson.

Jeremy Lynn was his name, by the way.

He was kind of a flash in the pan, wasn't he?

Very quick.

But the Knicks, he was like came on the scene.

The Knicks Knicks one who stunk as a franchise.

He went about like nine games and was fantastic and all this kind of shit.

And then they just rupped him up a little bit.

I think they rubbed him up and he was kind of deterred.

But my point is, that's news.

That's news because it's not, it's out of the ordinary.

It doesn't, and it has the ability to inflame passions.

That's what George Floyd was.

White,

whatever, the Washington Post found out that white cops do not

shoot black men at a greater frequency than white men if you compute the number of people, 11 million, I think, in the case of blacks, that come in contact with law enforcement.

Plus, the guy is a job at Harvard.

I can't remember his name, the black economist.

Roland Fryer.

Roland Fryer.

Yeah, yeah.

And so that's all it is.

And

at some point, I mean,

Alvin Bragg went into a black church and bragged the other day about his success.

He got a kind of a standing ovation.

Fanny Willis went into a black church and complained that she was a victim of racism because she shouldn't have to answer why she hired her boyfriend at an exorbitant rate with no experience, went on a global junket, hid the expenses with cash.

Okay.

And

that's what gets people angry.

And

I'm not saying, I mean, there's four indictments of Donald Trump, Jack Smith, Fannie Willis, Alvin Bragg,

and Letita James.

African Americans make up 13% of the population.

They make up 75% of these criminal indictment processes.

Do I say this is inordinate?

No, it's fine.

I don't think it's a racial component.

But the moment there's any question of their authority,

they go back on the black thing.

And that's what you either, there either is or you don't.

You either say, I'm bureaucratic and I want to compete and race is incidental, not essential, but you can't have it both ways.

You can't be overrepresented in the NBA at 75% black and then all of a sudden say that

there's not proportional representation as it should be.

Well, maybe there should be proportional reputation with big city mayors or

big city prosecutors because they're inordinately, in terms of their demographics, they're inordinately more representative than 13% 13% of the population.

But nobody says that.

Anybody would say that would be trash.

But then they go around and say, you know, they, a lot of these people, say it's a racial thing.

You can't have it both ways.

And it's exhausting.

It's exhausting.

And

thank you, Obama, for all.

Yeah, well, not all of it, but a lot.

And, you know, it's like the bi-coast elite tries so hard.

to not

to cast a game.

I mean, when we had those two people in Chicago, was it this week young guy and his wife and they were swarmed by a gang and she was kicked in the stomach and and lost her baby and they were beaten up and they i think they arrested a 17 year old guy and a 14 year old girl and that i think they were let out but my point was I read all of the news and they all said teens, Jack, teens.

The words, the racial, and maybe I'm wrong, this suggests that because

they used the word teens, they did did not want to say a group of black

youth attacked two white people who said, quote, you're on our turf.

You don't belong here.

But my point is the media bends over backwards not to identify people's race, except had that been a group of, I don't know, let's say 15 young white guys with MAGA hats on,

Jesse Smollett.

types, the non-existent mythical MAGA guys that went after Juicy Smollett.

Remember what happened then?

That was the national kids from Covington High School,

who were looking outside at a crazy ass in India.

So it's asymmetrical.

I just hope that we get away from all of this racial obsession because it's not sustainable.

And what's happening,

just speaking as someone coming back from Europe and looking at the Parisian papers and talking to people in France, I can tell you

that

there's something going on in Europe.

I don't know what it is, but they're sick of the EU.

They're sick of their politicians.

They're sick of unlimited illegal immigration.

They're sick of people trashing their culture, whether you're Swedish or Dutch or Italian or French.

And it's not sustainable to keep doing that.

And it's not sustainable here to every single day say we have to have 10 million people here.

It's racist to say you have to have background checks.

You have to adjudicate that.

And it's just, it's,

I don't know.

I just feel that we're on a trajectory that's not sustainable.

It's not sustainable financially.

It's not sustainable in terms of energy.

It's not sustainable in terms of race.

And whenever you, the national discourse is not honest.

And it doesn't reflect reality.

And so when you have a bunch of teenagers, if they were black, and I think they were, and you say teens, and yet that racial component is very important to you in the case of the Covington kids or in the case of Juicy Smullo, and you have a one-sided standard, it's not sustainable.

You just create cynicism and anger.

And it's better to get everything out.

It's better to say, you know what?

13% of the population, actually it's six, African-American males commit over 50% of violent crime.

And let's talk about it.

Let's see if we can stop it.

And what is it?

What is it?

They say it's racist.

Okay, let's examine to see if it is racist.

Is it economics?

What is the cause?

Or is it one single father households?

Is the lack of police deterrence?

Is there the soils?

It's something.

And we need to talk about it.

But just to lie about it,

it just makes everything worse.

Victor, quick question.

You just raised Europe.

So you were in France for 10 days or so, a couple of those days.

You were in Paris.

I was in Paris recently for about five days and I didn't know what to expect.

Sharon and I walked, we walked, walked, walked, walked.

I saw

one

bum and one crazy person.

Wait, you call you?

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

I will not tolerate the word of that pejorative.

Stereotype, full, loaded, as it were, with all sorts of implicit biases.

Oh, ball.

Homeless.

Okay.

And no, not a tent, not

a houseless person.

Yeah.

Oh, I didn't see a houseless person.

I didn't see a camp.

I, and you, of course, you walk through Paris and you're walking under these bridges, and you would think, if I walked under this bridge in New York City

or in San Francisco or Oakland, there would be hundreds of tents, and this would be an encampment.

This would be a little city unto itself, but I didn't see any of it.

I think it's cleared out because the Olympics are coming.

But I assume you had a similar experience.

Yeah, I did.

I mean, but on every manifestation, I know everybody's going to say to me, Victor, you're an idiot.

You live in Fresno County, you bumpkin, and you go over to France for two weeks, stay in Paris four days, and you make sweeping generalizations.

It's the Olympics, Victor.

They go through and sweep out everybody.

Okay, yeah, but they did it.

They did it with a Chinese visit in San Francisco, and they still couldn't hide it.

And my point is this.

When you walk in Carberg, or you go to Calhoun, or you go to the major cities,

you know,

in

Bayou,

or you go to Paris, or we were for wherever it is, you're going to see homeless, they can't get rid of, there were almost nobody.

I mean, there was few, but not very many.

But more importantly, I didn't just go down the Chand

and say, hey, it looks clean.

We went all over the country.

And compared to Fresno County, or compared to downtown Los Angeles or Venice Beach or downtown Portland or San Francisco, they were immaculate.

And that wasn't always true.

When I first went to France in 1974, I thought it was,

I just thought it was awful.

When I first went, excuse me, 19,

yeah, 74, I went again to Marseille.

I got off the train in 1978.

It was the filthiest city I'd ever seen compared to to our cities.

You know, we were,

I took it, we took people to the Versailles, of course, and we had the final dinner at the historic Trion Hotel where the Versailles Treaty was signed.

And we've stayed there before on my tours.

But we had 160 people, so we had this big dinner.

And so it was only about a mile, 1.4 miles from the hotel, you know.

So we had four buses and everybody went from the hotel the last night over to the Trion.

Wonderful dinner, wonderful people, great time.

And then we walked back.

So my wife and I walked back and it was 9.45, Jack.

And I was just thinking, as we were walking by, we were passed by female, female joggers.

Do you think that at 9.45 in New York City, in the Upper West Side, nice neighborhood, Do you really, or Park Avenue, do women jog in jogging clothes?

I mean, like yoga pants at night?

I don't think so.

I don't think they can do it in in San Francisco, but that's what they were doing.

I walked all over in the evening.

I never felt in danger once.

And Paris is not, you know, Sweden, Denmark or Sweden.

It's got a lot of problems with 20%

immigration problems.

My point is this,

that

we used to do things so much better than Europe.

And I mentioned this about Israel.

When you go to Haifa today, it's a port town like San Francisco.

And that's where all the similarities end.

It's bustling.

The people are happy.

There is no crime.

There's very little homelessness.

And you go to San Francisco, it is a medieval, fetid sewer in parts of it.

And it's just, and this is recent, what we've done to this country.

And so what I'm getting at is

It's really weird under Obama, the left got this idea that because Obama was there, they were not going to criticize the United States as long as there's a left-wing president, because to do so is disloyal.

They always hate the United States.

I love the United States.

I'm saying this so I can make it better.

But I want to be honest.

The left is not giving you an honest appraisal.

We, in terms of urban environment and basic utilities, are falling behind Europe, even though we have a much bigger economy.

We should be way ahead of them.

On every standard of social livability and cultural livability, we're way behind.

We're falling behind.

I went to 15 restaurants, my wife and I went, and all over France, five or six cities.

The people are happy.

They were, you know, I always thought French were rude.

When I went there before, I always thought everybody was rude.

Compared to an American restaurant, they were much much more hospitable.

And they were, there's something else I noticed about them.

There's such a thing, and I've known this my life because I've lived in Europe.

I've been there 50 or 60 times, but

I appreciate it.

There's such a thing as a middle-aged waiter, a professional.

You see it a little bit in New York.

You know what I mean by that, a guy 50, and he's immaculately dressed, even not in the high end, just as a restaurant.

He has a little bow tie or something, but he's a master at serving the food and professional.

Whereas in the United States, it's always a college kid or it's not considered a profession.

And that's that's what I kind of like about the Europeans and that.

They look at the professions as something.

And then, of course, going to D-Day, I wrote a column up there that day.

I stayed up till 1:30.

I thought, you know what?

I've been to Omaha Beach, I think, six times.

And when you land there and you look at that mountain and trying to get over that, and then you go into the Bocage and you go to St.

Mary Aglise and after on and on in that Bocage, all the way to Palaise,

and you you go there and you think those kids coming out of the Depression, 1938, remember the Depression, it was back again, 20% unemployment, minus 10%

GDP, and you just stick them there, and they had M1 carbines, and maybe

every 10th guy in a company had a BAR, and you look at what the Germans had.

I mean, you look at the 12th Panzer Division or the SS, Swaffan-SS, 2nd Panzer Division.

These were trained killers from the Eastern Front.

And those kids just landed there and they went right over the beach.

And 10 and a half months later, they were inside Germany.

It's amazing.

And they gave us this country that

best economy, best military, best culture, best everything.

And our generation, I wrote about this, our generation, what did we do?

We gave them the 60s.

We gave them the cultural revolution.

We gave them any means necessary.

We gave them

just most spoiled and title generation in history.

And what did we do with our legacy?

It's California.

Just look at California.

That is a monument to what the 60s were all about.

They took paradise and they turned it into purgatory.

And we should be honest about that.

And

I'm not criticizing Democrats.

I grew up with JFK,

Hubert Humphrey, and the politics, LBJ, which was a disaster, but

Bill Clinton, I'm not talking about those guys.

These guys are different.

It started with Obama.

These are Jacobin, hardcore revolutionary,

the squad.

Bernie Sanders was a joke for years,

just

a joke.

And he became the face of the 2016 Democratic Party for a long time.

That's who the Democrats are now.

And they have won the culture wars.

The universities, Hollywood, NBA, professional sports, TV, the major foundations, the bureaucracy, the federal government, the deep state, you name it, K-12, they run it.

And they should ask themselves,

what did I do with that legacy?

Because

we, the people, know what you did.

And we know that you know what you did because you know what you did.

Because if you didn't know what you did, you wouldn't all of a sudden be faking that you're going to close the border after four years of destroying it.

And you wouldn't be faking it that fossil fuels are suddenly important and you're releasing stuff from the strategic petroleum group.

And you wouldn't be faking it that you're worried about crime for a while.

And you wouldn't be faking it that

you're going to, I don't know, support Israel suddenly again.

And so they know that

they have to fake what they're not doing, fake a conservative traditionalist point of view, because what they do, they know doesn't work.

And if it did work, they would be saying,

I want you to vote for me because I can

double what I did on the border if you re-elect me.

I, Joe Biden, I promise you I will get 20 million illegal aliens and I'll get rid of the whole wall.

I won't just stop building it.

I will destroy it.

That's what I'm promising.

If you elect me, I will get gas, like Stephen Chube once promised, $9 a gallon, and we will clean the air up.

If you just elect me, I will put a Soros prosecutor in every town, not just every city.

And they know that nobody wants that.

So they have to fake out the opposite of what they really are.

Well,

as Mark Levin said, I'm done.

Okay.

I might have said that I like Mark Levin a lot.

I've always liked him.

Yeah.

Yeah, I turn the volume down when he's

on the.

You know, just to end on something, I had a daughter who was an intern at Hillsdale, and she worked at

the Kirby Center at the front desk.

And they had a lot of, you know, people in the conservative movement go back and forth across the street, Hillsdale Kirby Center, Heritage.

I once asked her, I said, Susannah, of all the people you met,

did you meet people in journalism pundit?

And she goes, yeah, I did, Dad.

I did.

I didn't know who they were.

I just wrote their names down.

I said, who was the nicest to you?

Perfect stranger.

You know what she said?

Mark Levin.

Mark Levin.

He didn't know who she was at first, and he was sweet and nice to her.

I've never forgotten that.

Oh, that's nice.

But they talked about dogs.

It's possible.

Well, my friend,

but I had been starved for my audience.

I really missed you guys.

Well, you've been terrific

as ever.

It's good to be back with you again today.

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