From Congress to the Campus and the Spoils of US Aid

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Speaker 2 the Sunday, the 21st of April, in the aftermath of the House vote on funding for Ukraine and no funding for the border, it seems, or maybe it's a spec.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure the precise details, but we'll get your thoughts on that, Victor, on the madness, the Jew hate at Columbia University, the performance of that college's

Speaker 2 president before Congress this past week, and other topics of interest to our listeners. And we'll get to all that, Victor, and you, dear listeners, right after these important messages.

Speaker 2 We are back with the Victor Davis-Hansen show. Victor, I'd like to maybe lead into

Speaker 2 getting your views on what happened in the House this past week with a

Speaker 2 an ex-post by Senator Mike Lee of Utah. And it's titled Evolution of House GOP Logic on the Aid Package.
And it's five points. One, give us something to force Biden to secure border.

Speaker 2 Two, give us a slightly more secure border. Three, give us something that won't weaken the border.
Four, make the media like us. Five, give the Democrats what they want.

Speaker 2 Victor, we have that about the border aspect of this funding and of course,

Speaker 2 massive aid to Ukraine.

Speaker 2 What, Victor, are your thoughts about legislation? Sins of omission, sins of commission?

Speaker 2 What the Democrats did was they basically said,

Speaker 2 because remember now, Jack, only about 40% of Democrats poll in favor of Israel now.

Speaker 2 So the Democratic Party does not want to give stuff to Israel. Biden may,

Speaker 2 with his two-step, trash them publicly, plash them behind their backs, and then give them aid because he's afraid of

Speaker 2 American popular opinion is 65% in favor. But my point is this,

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 the Republicans want to give aid to Israel. The Democrats want to bundle that all up.

Speaker 2 The Republicans, I think most of them not would, if they supported, gave money to finish the wall, to stop catch and release, to stop the crazy refugee status, and to deport people here legally, they would give enough money for Ukraine to defend itself.

Speaker 2 And what would that be? That would be things like artillery shells and javelins, but probably not sophisticated aircraft that would conduct missions in Russia, et cetera.

Speaker 2 Okay, we don't have to get into that. But my point is this.

Speaker 2 The Democrats know that. So

Speaker 2 they want to play on their roles, that everything has to be conditioned on aid to Ukraine, and then we'll give it to Israel, and then we'll do this, and then we'll do that, and then we'll do that.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there's enough people in the Republican Party that A, want to help Ukraine, so they want the aid to go to it, and there's enough that want something to be given to Israel. But if you say

Speaker 2 that the Democrats

Speaker 2 have to

Speaker 2 close the border, there's two problems with that in order to get the Ukraine aid.

Speaker 2 They're going to vote against you lockstep, and you've got people in the Republican Party, Jack, that care more about giving aid to Ukraine than closing the border, and you're not going to win.

Speaker 2 So, Johnson is

Speaker 2 not stupid, he's old that. And so, he's trying to get aid to Israel, aid to Taiwan,

Speaker 2 and some a little bit more for the border. But

Speaker 2 until the Congress reflects where the American people are in the border, like 65% want to close, it's nothing's going to happen because there's too many vested.

Speaker 2 The entire Democratic Party wants an open border. They want 10 million people in here for constituents, for census.

Speaker 2 and for larger government and entitlements. And there's 10 to 15% of the Republicans that want them in here for cheap labor.

Speaker 2 It's sort of like when George W. Bush said we can't build rebuild New Orleans after Katrina without illegal labor.

Speaker 2 That's how they think.

Speaker 2 And that's what Biden said. He basically said the same thing.
So

Speaker 2 what I'm worried about is this. They only have one or two

Speaker 2 person

Speaker 2 margin of error in the House. So if Marginal she has some good points.
We should be closing the border first and Ukraine second.

Speaker 2 They don't have any sense of urgency about the border like they do about Ukraine,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 they're going to lose the speakership. If they lose their speakership and they lose their majority, the speaker is going to close down.
A democratic speaker will close down everything.

Speaker 2 There will be no investigation of anybody. The Bidens will have a blank check to do

Speaker 2 their home scot-free, and then they'll start going after Trump like they did when they had the majority before. It's essential that they keep the majority in the house.

Speaker 2 And you can get angry about all. I'm angry at Kevin McCarthy for resigning.
That Buck guy resigned. Even Gallagher, he stayed on a little bit, but none of those guys should have resigned.

Speaker 2 Actually, Victor, when Gallagher did it, and we talked about this a little, it almost seems spiteful that he did it in such a way to preclude

Speaker 2 a special election.

Speaker 2 It's a Republican district. I know, and Buck did the same same thing.
He was mad. And

Speaker 2 so did Kevin. So did Kevin, right? Kevin was angry.
He was angry. I mean, I feel like saying, hey, you guys, are you angry at your, at the people who are listening to this? Right.

Speaker 2 Because this election is the last chance. I see it as the last chance.

Speaker 2 So you're going to get your petulance and then you're going to punish the American people because you've got to stop this Jacobin project.

Speaker 2 And if you give up the House and they have the Senate and they have the presidency,

Speaker 2 it's going to be scary enough if Biden loses the election, what he'll do in

Speaker 2 November, December, January,

Speaker 2 four months. But you give him the House and it's really scary.
And that's where we're teetering on the brink. So I don't get it.
And I think Trump does get it from what I understand.

Speaker 2 They're angry at him because he was giving signals just to lay off this and don't get in a fight. Whatever it takes, that's my attitude.
Whatever it takes, do not remove the speaker. Do not do it.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Because if you remove Johnson, there's going to be 20 other people who will not vote for anybody who removed him.

Speaker 2 And then you start dealing with the repa, you're going to have to start dealing in stealthy dealing with Democrats to get the majority. And

Speaker 2 it's almost

Speaker 2 suicidal. It just drives me nuts.

Speaker 2 Everybody's working so hard to stop this radical Jacobin agenda. That's what it is, neo-Bolshevik, neo-socialist agenda.

Speaker 2 And here, the people that we elect can't even finish out their blank, blank term, and they can't even get united.

Speaker 2 Whatever you say about the Democrats, man,

Speaker 2 they don't have any,

Speaker 2 even

Speaker 2 they approved aid. They didn't have a large number of Democrats not approve aid to Israel.
Most of them didn't want to, but they slapped them down.

Speaker 2 And they have a discipline that that we don't have.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't want to be them. I'm not admiring them, their purpose or their aims.
I'm saying their means are much more regimented than ours. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm getting so sick of somebody that goes outside the Capitol, grabs a microphone, gets a bunch of people around and says, Rhino, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not going to do this.

Speaker 2 We're going to get rid of the speaker. We're going to get rid of the speaker.
We went through that psychodrama. Jim Jordan was going to do it.
We had all those guys that came up. It was embarrassing.

Speaker 2 And people,

Speaker 2 it's not going to, it's not a good optics at all. It just shows you can't govern.
They need to tell Johnson, he needs to say to everybody, whatever disagreements you have, we keep here.

Speaker 2 And he will try to make it up. And another thing he's thinking that

Speaker 2 he doesn't see it as either our border or helping Ukraine, but if Ukraine is,

Speaker 2 I almost think the democrat that that if ukraine is overrun

Speaker 2 they will say that the republicans lost like china they lost ukraine that'll be a campaign issue and

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 if if if that did happen victor do you you think it would be yeah harmful to the republicans well

Speaker 2 if

Speaker 2 The Ukrainian government collapses and Putin run goes through, there will be be reprisals.

Speaker 2 There will be death squads. They will kill a lot of people.
And you'll have a mass flight all through Europe. And this war,

Speaker 2 people,

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 I don't want Ukraine to try to win back.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'd like to see it happen, but it's not going to happen. They're not going to take back Crimea and the Donbass.

Speaker 2 And some people have responsibility, and I'm not going to mention names, but I heard both in person from people and read in the news and watched on TV that March 2023,

Speaker 2 April, May, it was on to Moscow. There were challengers, there was leopards, there was Abrams, there were all of these new weapons.
They had been trained by the U.S. Army.

Speaker 2 They were going to blast through, and it was going to be blitz. That didn't happen.
It was the stupidest idea in the world.

Speaker 2 When you're that outnumbered, they should have made a barrier and let the Russians butt their head against it. And then they would have, but they lost 10,000 to 20,000 people.

Speaker 2 At some point, people are going to have to say to themselves,

Speaker 2 we're destroying the nation of Ukraine.

Speaker 2 And what they need to do, if we're going to arm them, they're going to have to go on a purely defensive mode.

Speaker 2 And they're going to have to give up the idea that they have the wherewithal to take back Crimea and take back Donba. They don't.
They don't have it.

Speaker 2 Maybe if the Putin government falls and there's an elected government 20 years from now, they can negotiate that. But their primary mission is to get Putin back where he was in February of 2022.

Speaker 2 And if they can do that slowly, they will survive.

Speaker 2 I have all these colleagues where I work and I hear all these people, you know, these are the same people, Jack, that told us that in two months Russians would be on the other side of the border.

Speaker 2 And, you know, they don't, they don't, and they always say things like, well, the Russian army is incompetent. Look at the Finns.
Look at the Finns in 1930. The Finns lost that war.

Speaker 2 Yes, it was incompetent, but that's the point. When Russia has expeditionary forces, they look awful.
And they fight

Speaker 2 in a mediocre fashion. And then something happens.
They take enormous losses. The battle is recontextualized as a fight for Mother Russia or whatever.
And they do beat the Finns.

Speaker 2 And they do go in to Poland in 1939 and take it.

Speaker 2 And they do stop. Napoleon.
And they do stop Army, Grouf, Center, and South. Yes.
And they can't take, yes, a million people die at Leningrad, but they don't take Leningrad.

Speaker 2 It just seems there's something in a Russian psyche that makes them fight that way, right?

Speaker 2 Well, Victor,

Speaker 2 I have a kind of a follow-up here from a reader based on some of the things we've just talked about. But first, I just want to take a moment for our sponsor, Field of Greens.

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Speaker 2 Victor,

Speaker 2 we've been asking our listeners to send in questions, and many have. I want to thank folks for doing that.
Again, Victor is going to be away for

Speaker 2 a part of...

Speaker 2 part of May and then part of July, and we're not going to not have shows. So we will use these questions for that purpose.

Speaker 2 If you still want to send Jack RSLC at gmail.com, you can send me your questions. But here's one that came in, and I think it's appropriate to use now.
It's from Rick, Rick from the Bronx.

Speaker 2 And he wrote, he says, in recent days, I feel like I'm living through a bad dream, but above all the craziness rises one inexplicable fact that I would love to hear VDH's thinking on.

Speaker 2 I understand that the propagandist principle that the bigger the lie, the more likely you are to get away with it.

Speaker 2 However, as documented by Congressman Comer, how can the nation ignore the fact that China, Russia, and other adversaries have paid millions of dollars to the president's family?

Speaker 2 What were the payments for? Were they gifts? If so, why did the president permit his family to accept them? Were they payments for business services? If so, what was the work product?

Speaker 2 What did the payers get in return? We know if it were Trump, he'd have have been impeached and convicted in days. But with the current guy, crickets, how can this be?

Speaker 2 You know, Victor, this is a sense of, of, I think, a lot of our listeners of,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 how come justice doesn't happen? How come the antics of the House of

Speaker 2 Republicans in the House, they can't get their act together? This is kind of a...

Speaker 2 a despair out there,

Speaker 2 I think.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 2 I have to be very careful because I don't want to feed that despair. But I get very depressed.
It's almost as if everything that is happening to Trump is a projection of their own culpability.

Speaker 2 So Trump makes a phone call and says we should

Speaker 2 delay aid until we can find out that the Biden family did not have a prosecutor involved. fired so that it can continue on their quid pro quo shakedown.
That was all true.

Speaker 2 And then there was a law that says, if you're going to have a whistleblower, we have to define what a whistleblower is. He has to have firsthand knowledge.
Michael Venman was the real whistleblower.

Speaker 2 He made a phone call to Eric Saramella. He was not,

Speaker 2 had no knowledge of anything.

Speaker 2 He wasn't on the call. He doesn't,

Speaker 2 that wasn't a whistleblower.

Speaker 2 And so what I'm getting at is that Joe Biden was given aid to Ukraine, and

Speaker 2 he looked at the Russians, and they were massing on the border, and he thought,

Speaker 2 I'll just suspend it for a while. 100 million bucks.
And let's just see if Putin, I don't know why he would do that. They all say that Trump is a Putin puppet, but why did Biden delay aid?

Speaker 2 Why did Biden tell Putin

Speaker 2 if

Speaker 2 my reaction will

Speaker 2 tell Putin by broadcasting it, by saying my reaction will hinge on whether it's a minor invasion? Why did he say about the

Speaker 2 serial cyber warfare conducted against the United States, pipelines, hospitals? Well,

Speaker 2 he's got to take some stuff off the list. Can't do all those targets.
So my point is this, is that

Speaker 2 He was much more egregiously using aid and suspended congressional aid because he didn't want to confront Putin,

Speaker 2 I guess, in a midterm year. Was he impeached? No.

Speaker 2 And then when you look at the

Speaker 2 right now, Donald Trump was impeached without a special prosecutor the second time and tried as a private citizen for so-called

Speaker 2 encouraging people to go into the Capitol. Jack, they just went into the Senate and disrupted the cafeteria.

Speaker 2 Talib gave a talk in the occupied rotunda of that.

Speaker 2 Chuck Schumer went to the doors of the Supreme Court and called out two justices by name and said, you don't know

Speaker 2 what's going to hit you. You sowed

Speaker 2 you're going to reap the whirlwind. I mean, that was about as weird as you could get.
Nothing. And so, yeah, I feel really,

Speaker 2 I think the reader is absolutely right.

Speaker 2 And, you know,

Speaker 2 if you look at what's going on, it's almost like Orwellian.

Speaker 2 Eugene Eugene Carroll had no case, but even if she had a case, it was past the statute of limitations. That's the law.
So then some left-wing activist legislature changes the law for one year.

Speaker 2 You can file a writ against Trump, even if it happened over five years ago, and it did. And then the same thing

Speaker 2 with Alvin Bragg. The judge says, well,

Speaker 2 all of this

Speaker 2 non-disclosure form of 216 it's beyond the statute of limitation however

Speaker 2 there was a covet so we'll give you covet credit and now you can do it they would never do that for anybody else so yeah i feel like there's no jurisprudence as we once knew it and this is all coming from

Speaker 2 uh

Speaker 2 you know from the people who say democracy dies in darkness we had benny

Speaker 2 is his name johnson benny thompson is that his name the african-american chair of the January 6th Committee?

Speaker 2 He's got a billjack to strip Secret Service protection away from anybody who's convicted of a crime.

Speaker 2 What? Yes. Oh, my gosh.
So that is the Trump bill. And when you correlate that with they won't give protection to Robert Kennedy,

Speaker 2 these people mean business because Donald Trump is going to be in New York at certain advertised times and in Washington. They're going to know where he is,

Speaker 2 with whom he's with, how long he's going to be there.

Speaker 2 And if they convict him of a felony and that bill were to go through, then it's just open season. And then you collate that with all of the

Speaker 2 Kathy Griffith type beheading, Snoop Dogg shoot him,

Speaker 2 burn him up, blow him up. the Madonna blow, all of those threats they've had.
And yet

Speaker 2 it's so weird. And you talk about insurrection.
He said,

Speaker 2 you know, he's an insurrectionary because he addressed a crowd. I mean, my God, Hillary said that he was an illegitimate president.
So did Jimmy Carter. So did Haichem Jeffries.

Speaker 2 He said he's not the legitimate president of the United States. Did you see Hillary's rant the other day for projecting

Speaker 2 that Trump wants to kill somebody? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's crazy.

Speaker 2 And then this is going on with this crazy Civil War movie that's out. We know what the subtext of that movie is about.
And so these people are very, very dangerous. They're insane.

Speaker 2 It's like we have a cycles of hysteria.

Speaker 2 We had the Me Too

Speaker 2 mania that the Susan Blasey Ford, who was completely delusional, became a folk hero, but not really a folk hero. She was a useful tool

Speaker 2 to go after the Supreme Court and General and Kavanaugh nomination to make sure they could set the precedent. You can't appoint a conservative.

Speaker 2 And then we had the COVID lockdown.

Speaker 2 Nobody today, even Francis Collin, nobody says it was necessary.

Speaker 2 We know from the evidence of Sweden, we know that we should have taken the resources and targeted those who were vulnerable, not shut down the schools.

Speaker 2 And that led

Speaker 2 shutting down the schools, paranoia, sitting in your apartment, getting your news from the television or the internet, no social interaction, no medical appointments, spousal, suicide, abuse, all of that.

Speaker 2 Then you have the George Floyd, the third hysteria, where people went absolutely crazy for 120 days. And then you have the transgendered craze that's just nutty.
You know, 0.01%

Speaker 2 suffer from gender dysphoria.

Speaker 2 Now we're told 30% of young people are transgendered in theory on these elite campuses and we're going to inject them with all these dangerous drugs that could kill them or mar them. It's just crazy.

Speaker 2 And yet no one says a word. So I agree with the reader.
We're in insane times. It only highlights why what little resources we have, we have to shepherd them.

Speaker 2 We really have to.

Speaker 2 You can't give away the house. I don't mind losing the house.
I mind it, but that's one thing. But to give it away to those people,

Speaker 2 I'm very depressed. I don't,

Speaker 2 we've got to win these elections. And

Speaker 2 this is not a good take with Donald Trump being forced to sit there in that court and be humiliated with this ridiculous Alvin Bragg who campaigned on the idea, well, I have prosecuted, I've filed 100 suits against

Speaker 2 Trump. Elect me and I'll go after him.
Oh, federal prosecutors don't want to do a campaign finance. Hmm.
Maybe I can say that the state can use a federal law and bootstrap it. Okay.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 statute of limitation said I can't go after that non-disclosure. Well, we'll get an exemption from our friendly judge.
Oh,

Speaker 2 non-disclosure, it's a campaign. That's what it is.
It's a campaign violation. It's not like Barack Obama paid $300,000 in campaign violations, Hillary over 100,000.

Speaker 2 And those were supposedly civil fines. They could have easily criminalized those.
I don't know how you stop it. I really don't.
But that reader is exasperated, and so am I. The Biden family is

Speaker 2 completely crooked. And then when you have these commercials that Biden is sharp as a knife and you watch him and he doesn't have any idea where he is, these people are delusional.

Speaker 2 But I don't know.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 you said

Speaker 2 you talked about riots and some other things, Victor, that prompts an idea, but I want to pose a question to you, but we'll do that right after these important messages.

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This wasn't the question I wanted to pose, Victor, but I read the end of

Speaker 2 the eighth installment, which I have a feeling is the end of it. And you're writing about how

Speaker 2 the remaining small

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Speaker 2 he wrote, but you wrote, they live as if they're in North Africa, circa AD 450.

Speaker 2 Not fenced and walled in, security. It's almost, it almost gives the impression of

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Speaker 2 Anyway, it's a great series.

Speaker 2 Just as a footnote to that, I have about 11 or 12 people who

Speaker 2 I graduated from Selma High School. They're 70 now.
And so I met them at a friend's house. I hadn't seen some of them in years.

Speaker 2 And we all were talking, and we were just talking about this area where I am speaking from.

Speaker 2 And it wasn't nostalgia. It was just, it was just so different, Jack.
None of it, we were all talking about nobody locked their home.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 everybody was afraid of you didn't want to get arrested because you would go to juvenile hall.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there was nothing like fentanyl or oxycod, none of that. That came later.
And you were, if anybody hit a teacher, you would be out for good.

Speaker 2 Everybody respected the teacher. This was in the 60s and 70s.

Speaker 2 And we were all talking about growing up, and then we were talking about race that

Speaker 2 the whole group that we were with, they were Asian and

Speaker 2 nobody looked at if somebody was Mexican-American or Asian or white. Nobody cared.
There was none of this tribalism.

Speaker 2 And it was just a golden moment. And everybody was lamenting the fact that we were very naive.

Speaker 2 And we were very, no, and we were all talking about, you know, being without very,

Speaker 2 there was nobody that had any money.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it was when I grew up in a 900 square foot home with five of us, and then my father decided to expand it, but he didn't have the money to connect it. So he built another

Speaker 2 700-foot 700-foot house right next door with three bedrooms and a bath. And we went back and forth in the rain between them my whole life.

Speaker 2 And it was, it was weird. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And, you know, then I moved into my grandmother's house. It was like Miss Havisham's home.
It was just in decay.

Speaker 2 It was decay. But my point was, we were all like that talking.

Speaker 2 Everybody was. And

Speaker 2 it's just shocking what's happened. And

Speaker 2 I don't know. I mean, gosh,

Speaker 2 it's very frustrating. So I really admire that letter.
And I admire all, I can't read all these letters, but they all are starting to have the same theme.

Speaker 2 You wake up

Speaker 2 in a cough. We're not cockroaches or something, but we feel like we're in a different world.

Speaker 2 I don't have any reference. I can't figure out what's going on.
But here's what happens if we wake up on whatever it is, November 6th, 7th, I forget what day it is, Election Day.

Speaker 2 Well, this is one of the things you, you know, you had mentioned riots and other things, but the thing we didn't experience were riots in November of 2020. Remember, Trump had won

Speaker 2 the week or two before in New York City.

Speaker 2 Some of the store owners thought he might win. They started boarding up.
They were preparing for the onslaught. But if Trump was-

Speaker 2 It was never going to happen. Trump would, the people who, they don't riot.

Speaker 2 Everybody knew that.

Speaker 2 Well, the people that rioted under George Floyd would have rioted. Exactly.

Speaker 2 Yes. I mean, if Trump ⁇

Speaker 2 when Trump lost, his supporters went to the Capitol on January 6th. Some of them were buffoonish, but I don't want to get into that.
But one, there was only one person died violently, probably.

Speaker 2 Maybe another woman was crushed or something.

Speaker 2 But the person was shot for the misdemeanor of going through a broken window, which we now know when people go into the Senate and they're pro-Hamas, they don't do anything to.

Speaker 2 And it would be as if one of these pro-Hamas demonstrators who took over the Senate cafeteria or they took over the rotunda and somebody said, stop, and somebody shot them. What would happen then?

Speaker 2 And I think there would have been a riot. And so everybody knows it's asymmetrical.
Everybody knows it's asymmetrical. I look at those pro-Hamas, we're going to talk about that in a bit, but

Speaker 2 they are escalating. So

Speaker 2 the old distinction, well, I'm just against Israel but not Jews, or I'm for Palestine but not Hamas, that's over with. That was months ago.
Now we're on to

Speaker 2 pro-Hamas. We want Hamas.
Death to America. What we're going to celebrate when Iran attacks Israel.
We want Iran to win. We want Muslims to win.
That's where we are right now.

Speaker 2 And Jews, they don't, when they go after Jewish people, they don't ask whether you're for Israel or not.

Speaker 2 They don't like Jews. And it's happening over the Western world, and it's going to accelerate unless somebody stops it.
And you can stop it.

Speaker 2 You can stop it very easily. All you have to do is suspend and suspend a few hundred students,

Speaker 2 especially those on student visas. Yeah, throw their asses out.
Yeah, and then say, you you know what?

Speaker 2 Death to America. You broke a statute.
We said you could not occupy this hallway. You broke the statute.
You're now suspended. We're notifying the government.

Speaker 2 You're going to go back and get all of your promises kept. You don't have to be in the death to America country.

Speaker 2 Isn't that insurrection? Isn't calling death to America? Isn't that insurrection? I don't know.

Speaker 2 You can go back to scenic Syria or, I don't know, scenic Iran, or you go back to scenic Jordan, but maybe it was scenic West Bank, and you'll be happy. And we don't.

Speaker 2 I think I told you that I gave one lecture where I actually, in my entire life, I got so angry at the questioners, I spoke back to them.

Speaker 2 I was at a university in California, and I was talking about the Iraq war, not pro-Iraq or anti, just trying to explain how it happened, where it would go.

Speaker 2 And during the Q ⁇ A, a student from Palestine grabbed the microphone and started screaming and said, you don't know what's happening to us. I have to fly from Amman, Jordan.

Speaker 2 I can't go across anymore into Tel Aviv.

Speaker 2 And that's because of people like you. And I said, wait a minute.

Speaker 2 I thought

Speaker 2 You didn't like Israel. Oh, Israel is a Zionist.

Speaker 2 I said, why would you want to go into Tel Aviv? Or for that matter, why would you want to come here? And then I said something I got kind of in trouble. I said, let's just make a deal, you and me.

Speaker 2 I promise I will never, ever

Speaker 2 go to the West Bank, ever,

Speaker 2 if you promise to leave.

Speaker 2 And we'll make it fair and square. How's that? You don't like America.
You don't like Israel.

Speaker 2 I don't, I have nothing against Palestine, so I'm not as radically angry at America, at the West Bank as you are America, but let's just call it even. And she started, you know, what was her attitude?

Speaker 2 She started crying. And then one of the administrators came over and talked to me.
That was very unkind of you and rude.

Speaker 2 And it's a, and I'm going to write about not that, but have you noticed something, Jack, about this hot house demonstration?

Speaker 2 Sammy and I talked about it when Miss Patel goes up and says, I'm going to murder everybody at your home.

Speaker 2 We're going to guillotine you. And then she's faced

Speaker 2 18 felony counts. Oh, this is not fair.

Speaker 2 The Vanderbilt

Speaker 2 students, oh, we can't be arrested. It's unfair.
You got Panera bread, you cops. We didn't get any takeout.
They didn't give us takeout. And somebody has to change your tampoon.
You can't arrest us.

Speaker 2 You know, it's so weird. And now Elon Omar's daughter, they say, do not protest with tents.
It's not, and now she's a hero.

Speaker 2 You could just say, you know what?

Speaker 2 You're going to be suspended and you're not coming back.

Speaker 2 And then the New York Post even ran, did you see that, Jack, where they ran little biographies of some of the protesters at Columbia? They're very wealthy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Gosh, I could not believe it.

Speaker 2 They're really, really

Speaker 2 upper middle class. These are hothouse plants.
And they go to the university and they go through a performance art, virtue signaling, radical hate America, hate the Jews, hate Israel.

Speaker 2 And as a curse as a norm to go get on Wall Street or Google,

Speaker 2 the Google people that were suspended or fired, they got angry. And then there's never in their entire life have they hung around with working people, the muster classes, poor people.

Speaker 2 They don't do it. And as soon as reality hits them, they just fold.

Speaker 2 I wish a fist would hit them. Yeah, well, it's like they're in a fetal position.
I can't believe this is happening to me. How dare you do it?

Speaker 2 If these college presidents, I think they have to understand that it's not their tenure that's in question, it's their university.

Speaker 2 If they continue to allow these protests, they are destroying the entire idea of an elite university. They're destroying, they're tarnishing their brand.

Speaker 2 They are sending signals that the universities are the incubators of hating America. They're sending messages that they are sanctuaries for anti-Semitism, and they've got to stop it.

Speaker 2 And the only way they can do it is for one brave president to say, it's not going to happen, not on my watch. Right.
This is nostalgia for

Speaker 2 campus protests. And we look back in the 60s, Victor.

Speaker 2 I'm not supporting them, but you say, okay, get out of Vietnam and somehow fringe with T or tinged with free speech.

Speaker 2 And I'm sure there are other layers of stuff in there. But you just take those, I think those are the two main driving things for the in the 60s of the campus protests.
But now it's to hate Jews.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's

Speaker 2 there's no nothing nostalgic about this. And everybody's been very informative because

Speaker 2 when we read about the 1930s, it seems academic. And people say, I can't believe that in 1933, there were still Jewish professors.
And then by 1934, they couldn't teach. Or

Speaker 2 they were roughing.

Speaker 2 It accelerates geometrically. And we have gone just in seven months from, oh, I'm not making fun of Jews.

Speaker 2 I'm not after Jews. I'm just after Israel.
No, they don't distinguish anymore. And,

Speaker 2 you know, if you're Jewish, you should not be at Columbia University.

Speaker 2 After the testimony of the president, you can see that she understood that she had a rule and the radical pro-Hamas people broke it and they harassed Jews both rhetorically and in person, and she can't stop them.

Speaker 2 And then she had to call in NYPD, and then you saw the attitude of these elite, spoiled, pampered kids toward working-class police people from Staten Island and Long Island.

Speaker 2 They have contempt for them. It's a class thing, too.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Absolutely.
It really is.

Speaker 2 That's the one redeeming fashion.

Speaker 2 That's the one redeeming malu that I enjoy right now, and that is that the Republican Party

Speaker 2 has finally got wise and it is the party of the middle class. It really is.
And that has the potential to unite people by by support for the middle-class lifestyle.

Speaker 2 And that should trump or supersede racial differences. So when I saw those black protesters, they weren't even protesting.
They were very polite. They were in Chicago city council meeting with a man.

Speaker 2 And they had that sort of rotund white kid guide up and he said, well,

Speaker 2 we need millions for these illegals. This is what America is based on, immigration.

Speaker 2 And we're going to need more and more money out of the city budget after all these poor black people had got through there and said, our health services are challenged now.

Speaker 2 We don't have recreation centers.

Speaker 2 There are people that are using facilities that are overcrowded and they're not citizen. And here this little pampered white guy was saying, oh, basically, we're going to keep doing it.

Speaker 2 We need more money. And I wanted to say, well, where do you live? And how is it impacting you? But to see that

Speaker 2 that constituency of inner city blacks was trying to accentuate and emphasize stuff that the Republican MAGA people have been talking about for years.

Speaker 2 And they're on that issue, they're on the same page.

Speaker 2 And I hope that they look at their leadership like Mayor Johnson and they say to themselves, Mayor Johnson,

Speaker 2 Fannie Willis on her junkets, Oprah, the Obamas with her format. These people have as much in common with me and what I'm going through and what I need and what I expect from the United States

Speaker 2 as the Biden clan and the Hillary clan and the Silicon Valley clan do with East Palestine.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, Victor, let's...

Speaker 2 Get a little more into Columbia University. And if we have a minute, also get back on Zelensky for a second.
We'll do that after these final messages.

Speaker 2 We're back with the Victor Davis Hansen show. We are recording on Sunday, the 21st of April.
Hey, Victor, I saw on

Speaker 2 Zelensky.

Speaker 2 I should have brought it up earlier, but I saw a Twitter, excuse me,

Speaker 2 an ex-post by a guy, David Sachs. Yes.

Speaker 2 And here he quotes something.

Speaker 2 It says, last year, CIA Director William Burns secretly flew to Kiev to warn Zelensky face to face that Washington was aware of his personal corruption and his unwillingness.

Speaker 2 to dismiss any of the dozens of officials who were named by Burns, known to be deeply involved in diverting defense funds to personal accounts.

Speaker 2 Burns also told the president, as I reported, that there was anger among some of his subordinates because he was taking too large a cut of the spoils.

Speaker 2 I read that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I guess by bringing it up, Jack, you're a Putin asset or a Putin puppet. Because to challenge any of that,

Speaker 2 we're not seeing that in Israel, but we do see it in Ukraine. It's part of that asymmetry I was talking about last week.
We tell Mr.

Speaker 2 Netanyahu, you have to have two members of the opposition and your tripart wartime cabinet. But Mr.

Speaker 2 Zelensky, you can outlaw political parties, you can outlaw habeas corpus, and you can outlaw elections. I mean, somehow Churchill had an election

Speaker 2 in 1945, well before the war was over, and was thrown out of office, but Zelensky can't. I guess that World War II doesn't rate.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we keep saying there's corruption, corruption, corruption. And you can't even be

Speaker 2 rational. I mean, nobody wants to discuss this.
The average age of the Ukrainian soldier is 42 years old. 42, Jack.

Speaker 2 That's hard to believe.

Speaker 2 Where are the 18? Yes, where are the 18, 19, 20, 21, 22-year-olds? They're just now expanding the draft, I think, down to 25.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 they have a, their problem is manpower. If they really face an existential, and I think they do, threat in Putin, why aren't they,

Speaker 2 there was at one time 45 million Ukrainians. It's probably down somewhere about 33.

Speaker 2 But why don't they have an arm? Israel is 11 million people. They can mobilize almost a million people.

Speaker 2 So why can't they have a 3 million person army, you know, a nation in arms, and then with complete transparency and a free, why don't they have a free media so that people in Ukraine are reading about this corruption?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I don't understand why the Democratic Party cannot say this is such an existential issue that we will build the wall. We will stop Czech Kashmiri.
We will stop the 10.

Speaker 2 If that's what you guys on the right want, okay.

Speaker 2 Just give us the the aid to let them, and they don't, they won't do it. Victi,

Speaker 2 the military minds that you deal with regularly,

Speaker 2 is there,

Speaker 2 of those who are supportive of

Speaker 2 the war, supportive of us supporting Ukraine, is Zelensky's

Speaker 2 corruption

Speaker 2 acknowledged, not only corruption

Speaker 2 monetarily, but also all the suppression of rights? No, it's not, It doesn't come up. No, I have said in an open forum, I won't say where,

Speaker 2 I have said in an open forum,

Speaker 2 while I support giving the ability to Ukrainians to defend themselves, something

Speaker 2 is weird because we insist as a condition of foreign aid that Mr. Netanyahu share power.
Why doesn't Zelensky bring in an opposition general? We say to Mr.

Speaker 2 Netanyahu, we want to know that you are not hitting civilians as collateral damage. We want to know, Mr.
Zelensky, are you targeting Russian targets

Speaker 2 the way that Russia is? We say to Mr. Netanyahu, you better be proportionate.
Are we saying to Mr. Zelensky

Speaker 2 how many Russians you killed? I think you've killed a lot more Russians than they killed you. That's disproportionate.
Slow down a little bit. We say to Mr.
Netanyahu, this is getting out of hand now.

Speaker 2 This is getting out of hand. There may have been 10,000 dead Hamas.

Speaker 2 There's not 30,000 total civilians, probably about 10,000 civilians. But you've got to have a ceasefire or oust.
We say to Mr. Zelensky, there's been 800,000,

Speaker 2 800,000

Speaker 2 dead, wounded, missing Russians and Ukrainians. We want a ceasefire.
No.

Speaker 2 You asked Putin for, no, we wouldn't dare to do that.

Speaker 2 We say, no ceasefire, shoot, don't worry about collateral damage, be as disproportionate as you want, cancel elections, fine with us, no habeas corpus, no coalition government. That's it.

Speaker 2 And I look at the two countries and I say, wait a minute, Ukraine's not really a democracy anymore. Israel is.
Israel was attacked. Ukraine was attacked.
Why don't we have a symmetrical

Speaker 2 policy?

Speaker 2 I don't understand it. Is it because the Israelis are Jews and we have anti-Semitism? Is it because we don't have 250,000 Russians in American universities?

Speaker 2 Is it because there's not a big Russian voting bloc in Michigan or Wisconsin?

Speaker 2 I don't know, but it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 He's sacrosanct. You cannot question, Mr.
Zelensky,

Speaker 2 to do so. I get hate letters all the time

Speaker 2 about your

Speaker 2 selling out the Ukraine, just to say, let's defend Ukraine,

Speaker 2 but let's not go in and sink the Black Sea fleet on the high seas. Let's not send drones.

Speaker 2 And then I, just when somebody, and I say, well, wait a minute, that's Joe Biden's position, because Joe Biden has told the Ukrainians,

Speaker 2 if you're going to... attack Russians, please don't attack refineries because I got to get elected and you're going to put a tight oil market into hysteria if you take Russian oil off.

Speaker 2 And all the stuff we've been told is, it's kind of like I was Vietnam. It's all lies.
It's just lies.

Speaker 2 Whether you like it or not, Russia is still functioning. We were told that

Speaker 2 their economy was in shambles. India and China are gobbling up Russian oil like crazy.
They are importing

Speaker 2 drones from Iran. They must have the wherewithal to pay for it.
They are mobilizing their entire population to go out there. So this idea that

Speaker 2 Ukraine is going to break them and the war is going to be over very soon because we're giving them billion dollars, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 Not unless they can draft the entire nation and get a huge army and then get on the defense, the strategic defensive.

Speaker 2 But to take an army where the average age is in their early 40s and

Speaker 2 four months, send them in an offensive against entrenched fortifications and walls and minefields of a superior, numerically superior enemy is a prescription for suicide.

Speaker 2 Well, Victor, back to the, we'll round out the show back on the Upper West Side, back at Columbia University, although we should look at Congress, the president.

Speaker 2 I don't know if I can even say my own name right anymore, but Manush Shafiq, she's the president of Colombia last year was was made president hard to believe that

Speaker 2 Dwight Eisenhower was president of Colombia and now this lady is but she testified before Congress she had she had punked out of that

Speaker 2 first famous college presidents hearing she was she was on a conference wasn't she overseas or climate I don't know what it was

Speaker 2 yeah well what did you think of her performance? And I know today

Speaker 2 Stefanik,

Speaker 2 the Congresswoman Stefanik has come out calling for her resignation. But anyway, your thoughts on her performance, Victor?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 she was supposed to be different than other college presidents. You know, she's supposedly a moderate.

Speaker 2 She was born in Egypt.

Speaker 2 I don't know whether she's Coptic or Muslim. It doesn't matter to me, but she was an economist.
Usually economists are a little bit more sensible than people in my field and the humanities or law.

Speaker 2 But she's up there testifying and they're asking her why she doesn't enforce the rules. And then she says, okay, we're going to enforce the rules.
And then

Speaker 2 to show while she's testifying, the radical pro-Hamas people are ignoring the rules. A few of them get arrested, but they're still out there in violation of the rule.
And I suppose

Speaker 2 she doesn't understand deterrence because when you let it get out of control, we've gone now and just,

Speaker 2 it's radicalizing at warp speed. You saw at Yale, they burned the American flag, tore it down, and they're all prancing around like they're in Tehran.

Speaker 2 And then you see that they're saying that they're pro-Hamas. They tell people we're pro-Hamas.

Speaker 2 And they're openly insulting Jews and they're anti- it's out of control now.

Speaker 2 And I don't think the universities understand it. I think they feel that,

Speaker 2 well, we all went to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford, Stanford, and we teach there and we're the cream of the crop and we're all, no, it doesn't work that way. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 You're only as good as yesterday. And for three years, you have banned the sat.

Speaker 2 and you've gone to repertory admissions and your student body would not qualify for the standards that you, not me, not you, Jack, established as essential to do work at Harvard or Yale.

Speaker 2 And you have allowed these students to get away with murder and you have created an embryo of anti-Semitism and it is destroying the reputation of not just your university, but the entire concept of elite education.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we're getting to the point very quickly that an employer, if he sees a bachelor's degree from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, they're not going to want to hire them because they'll think, you know what?

Speaker 2 I don't want this tech guy coming into my Google office and threatening me or taking it over

Speaker 2 or going to HR. And I don't want it to get in any of that.
I'd rather just... deal with a guy from University of Utah

Speaker 2 because I know they're going to be better educated and I know they're not going to give me problems. That's where we're headed very quickly.
I know so many close friends that

Speaker 2 when it went out that you were so-called white and you were going to be 20% of the student body, that was all that was going to be taken at Stanford or 40%.

Speaker 2 They don't even apply anymore. These are not conservative friends.
These are liberal friends. They do not want their children at these places.
They don't feel they're prestigious anymore.

Speaker 2 They feel they wouldn't get in any way. And they're looking at state colleges and campuses.

Speaker 2 Hopefully, and it's kind of ironic, but it seems to me that a lot of left-wing parents are sending their kids to Red State universities. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 Victor, one last thought for your comment.

Speaker 2 Around November and December, we were...

Speaker 2 We conservatives were taking some solace in reaction to

Speaker 2 the three college presidents and the lunacies going on on campus with some of the

Speaker 2 larger donors to these colleges like Bill Ackman pulling money and then also

Speaker 2 engaging in stuff like

Speaker 2 finding plagiarism or funding anti-plagiarism projects, et cetera. So there was some solace in that, but I don't think I think we're beyond the point that this that kind of reaction matters.

Speaker 2 uh i mean i mean we shouldn't be funding these places but if a bunch of billionaires come out and say all right i'm not giving it columbia anymore because of all the lunacy that's happened this week okay good but much more

Speaker 2 stronger measures are called for than than that i don't think we conservatives can take sole solace in that anymore any thoughts you could yeah i i wrote a tweet about you could stop it tomorrow as i I said.

Speaker 2 All you'd have to do, but you do have to win the House and the Senate, and you've got to have a presidency. That's why I was so upset about this House mess.

Speaker 2 The first thing you do, if Trump were to win, I think they're going to win the Senate. I'm not sure about the House.
I used to think the other way they were going to win the House, but not the Senate.

Speaker 2 But they've got great Senate candidates.

Speaker 2 Especially that Sheehy guy. He's really good.
They're going after him like crazy, but I think he can beat Tester.

Speaker 2 And I think we can win the Nevada seat.

Speaker 2 And I think we're going to take the House. But if you were to get that type of power, all you'd have to do is call in those presidents and say, it's not a matter

Speaker 2 of if we're going to tax your endowment. It's how.

Speaker 2 Because you are hiring

Speaker 2 hundreds of millions of dollars of DEI that is completely worthless, and we're subsidizing it by giving tax-free endowment income. We're not going to do it anymore.

Speaker 2 So the only question we're going to adjudicate is do we give you the first billion in your endowment income-free? I mean, the first income from a billion so that places like Hillsdale or St.

Speaker 2 Thomas Aquinas are not punished or Pepperdine.

Speaker 2 But we're going to do it. And the second thing we're going to do is we're going to attach

Speaker 2 conditions on our federal money to your university. And the conditions are going to be very careful.
Do you honor the First Amendment on your campus? When somebody is accused of

Speaker 2 a crime on campus, do you offer them the Bill of Rights protection, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth Amendment? Do you or not? If you don't, you're not going to get the money.

Speaker 2 And then all we have to do, number three, is, you know what? We're getting out of the student loan business.

Speaker 2 It's not even a loan. It's just a...
give the money to students. A third of them never pay it back.
And then it becomes a Democratic talking point election time to cancel the loan.

Speaker 2 So we don't have the money. We're $35 trillion in debt and we don't have the wherewithal to cancel $2 trillion.

Speaker 2 So no student loans, but you, you, Stanford, you, Harvard, you've got $35 billion, Harvard, $60 billion.

Speaker 2 You've got a lot of money. All you have to do is predicate your student loans on your endowment.

Speaker 2 You finance your students.

Speaker 2 And therefore, if they don't graduate, they won't pay your money back so you will try to speed up the process if they're endowed with hard Marxist philosophy and they feel that loans shouldn't be paid back that's what you teach them that's basically what the head of NPR said about looting you don't have to worry about it yeah

Speaker 2 yeah and same thing with squatters that they've had people very high up that said that squatting is not too bad. It's going to come out of your hide because you're going to finance your own

Speaker 2 loan obligations. And I think that would shape it up quick.
And then we have to say, you know what?

Speaker 2 Donald Trump put a travel ban,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 we're going to put a student visa ban for a while. So we're not going to issue any student visa from Syria, from Iraq, from Iran, from North.

Speaker 2 And we're not just going after Muslim countries, from North Korea, from Turkey,

Speaker 2 from Gaza, from the West Bank,

Speaker 2 and may or may not, from Somalia, from Sudan,

Speaker 2 any of these countries that is, their students have been habitual lawbreakers and anti-Semites. We'll just do it for a year and see how it works out.
Just see what happens.

Speaker 2 And that will apply to faculty too. Any faculty member that has been openly anti-Semitic, it's not that we're going after free speech.
We just don't have to extend your green card if you're not a U.S.

Speaker 2 citizen. I'm not talking about the rights of citizens.
I'm talking about visitors here. Right.

Speaker 2 And that would, I think that would stop it very quickly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Amen. I like the Hansen plan.

Speaker 2 I like everything.

Speaker 2 It's very easy to do.

Speaker 2 But you know what?

Speaker 2 Immigration is not a suicide pact.

Speaker 2 There's nothing in the Constitution that says you have to allow 2 million illegal aliens or a half a million foreign students in every year.

Speaker 2 There's a new essay, I think it's in the Wall Street Journal today, about the full extent of Chinese cheating in the United States. It ranges from stealing hybrid corn seeds to sophisticated military.

Speaker 2 technology. And it's a lot of it is people here on work visas and student visas.

Speaker 2 And I don't don't know, but I doubt there's 350,000 American students or business people in China. In China, right?

Speaker 2 Not at all. All right, my friend, you've been terrific as usual.
Thanks for all the wisdom you shared. We thank our listeners for doing that, listening.

Speaker 2 And some people can rate this show, those who listen at iTunes, Apple. And you can rate zero to five stars.
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This is from Mary.

Speaker 2 Mary says, I appreciate your thoughts and comments, but thoroughly enjoy discussion involving your family and California in those days.

Speaker 2 I could just see your grandpa sitting on that chair on the porch. Need more of that so that younger folks can understand the depth of loss experienced from those days to today.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 That's lovely, Mary. That's very nice.
The reason I don't do it more is I get very sad.

Speaker 2 I get depressed because

Speaker 2 I'm living in this house and I go into one room and I see it's 1965 and my grandfather is giving me a lecture that you always pay your bill in person.

Speaker 2 And he liked to mail mail a check, but he thinks it's better just to go see the person and hand him the check.

Speaker 2 And then he's telling me, I don't want to ever see you with a cigarette in your mouth. And I don't want to ever see you with alcohol.
And I don't want to ever see you bring shame to the Davis family.

Speaker 2 That kind of, I mean, and not in a moralistic,

Speaker 2 you better, it was a conversation, you know, and he was telling me

Speaker 2 it's

Speaker 2 anyway.

Speaker 2 Well, I can't get into it. I get really upset.
All right. No, no, no, no tears.
No ER here now. No ER.
All right. One more comment.

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