Lack of Character and the Comforts of Nemesis
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white nationalists,
insurrectionists, et cetera, in the military that just were not there, despite what Mark Milley
implied and impugned speaking to the country a couple of years ago.
We also have Francis Collins, the former head of the NIH,
giving us a big oops about the lockdowns and how his agency was involved in harming this country.
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Victor, I think I was cutting you off on something there.
No, I was just going to say these, when we're going to talk about these themes, you mentioned
DOD and Millie, Auchie.
There is a pattern there, isn't there, that these people,
they get with the growth of the federal government.
I wrote about it called The Unelected in a chapter on the dying citizen, but when this federal government vastly expanded in the 60s,
we created these huge bureaus.
The Joint Chiefs were created during World War II.
But the point point I'm making is that we've given enormous power to people, salaries, jets, everything, and they operate autonomously without control of Congress or the President.
So when you see the arrogance of Mark Milley, who thought that he could call up his Chinese counterpart and warn him that in a time of a nuclear crisis, he would warn the Chinese, our existential enemies,
about the
intent of his own commander-in-chief, that was just crazy.
And when you see Fauci with those emails in the very earliest notice of this COVID, basically exhibiting panic that people, according to Fauci and Collins, might interpret their routing of monies through Echo Health to enhance the research at that lab.
You can see what these people are capable of.
In the case of Millie, I think that was in June.
It was right after Biden came in office, and we were still in the DEI euphoria following the death of George Floyd.
It had been about a year.
It was June 21, I think.
And if you remember, there was Admiral Jilday from the Chief of Naval Operations.
There was Lloyd Austin, and there was Mark Milley.
And they each, they were kind of very analogous to the three college presidents, you know, on December 5th, that they got groupthink.
And the groupthink at that time was if you suggested that DEI was racist, I did, and I can tell you I got really hammered
for it.
And that coincided when I was called up
from
the Stanford Faculty Senate.
If you said it was racist or it was not merucratic or it was unsustainable, you were in trouble.
So they were trying to out virtue signal performance art each other.
And all of them, if you could look at what they said,
it was that they were going to do two things.
They were going to enact a diversity, equity, and inclusion agenda.
And this was the Democratic Senate majority.
And there were House, I guess it was, I guess it was people in the House as well.
And they were going to,
secondly, they were going to root out white extremism, white rage.
Remember, he said he had to understand white privilege, white rage, and
white supremacy.
Okay.
So they inaugurated an investigation in June, July of 2021.
Now we hear very quietly, Jack,
that 22, 28, six months went, another year went, 22,
another year went.
So here we are, two years, seven months later, and meekly with a little murmur, a mouse peep, we hear there was nothing there.
They looked all through the
enlisted ranks.
They went through social media.
They didn't find a cabal of white supremacists.
But that's what they said.
Reminded me so much.
Remember when Janet Napolitano, she had been governor of Arizona, hard leftist, and Barack Obama made her in 2009 head of Homeland Security.
And
she did two things, as I remember.
I'm just thinking of it
right now.
She said, remember Obama said,
we're going to call this
man,
she said they were man-made disasters and we're not going to use the terrorism.
He had another word, man-cause disasters, but
overseas contingencies, I think Obama said, she said man-cause disaster.
In other words, they wouldn't use the word terrorist because they were afraid it would hurt the feelings of radical Islamists.
She says the second thing.
She said she was worried about veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq coming back here and joining white supremacist terrorist groups.
That was the chief worry she had.
And then
there was no evidence for that, just like there was no evidence for me.
And she had to apologize.
So she then went around a veterans group.
Oh, I didn't mean it, but they did mean it.
They all meant it.
And so did Millie meant it.
And he was just, he should have been fired for that because there was no evidence whatsoever that there had been people.
And then he did something even worse.
He oversaw and his predecessors did, but he perpetuated that policy that if you were in the military and you thought that the mRNA vaccine had problems for people in the military in the sense of especially males who were young under the age of 40, and there was a lot of them, and even up to 50.
If you were a vigorous, healthy male, there there had already been reports that the incidence of cardio-related complications were greater for that rubric, and the chance of getting a severe, fatal COVID was very reduced.
And a lot of people in the military said either one of two things.
They said, I fit a paradigm of a person who will not die from COVID, and I fit a paradigm that has a higher than usual reaction to the vaccine that can cause
heart problems.
And two, most of them had had COVID and they had a natural acquired immunity.
Didn't matter.
They were lumped together with the white group or the resistant, whatever they wanted.
And they kicked out 8,400 of them.
It was horrible.
These were some of our best people.
Then he went on and he was like, I know people say, Victor, just forget about the democracy.
I'm not going to forget about it.
He went after white males who had died at 73, 74%
of all combat fatalities in Afghanistan and Iraq.
How stupid is that?
And now, what was the aftermath of that testimony?
The aftermath is, was there's nothing there, but there was something, General Milley.
You caused a massive
leaving
flight from the military of the people you depend on to go to some God-forsaken place and die for this country and fight in the worst possible conditions.
I've been to Fallujah.
I went to those places.
It's horrible.
And you sent people over there to die.
The military did.
And they died at twice their numbers and
the demographic.
And then you insult them.
And you put them under the suspicion of being terrorists.
And then you're going to be.
To be clear, can we just say it's true that it's not only
what he did harmed new enlistments, but it severely amped up uh uh
existing members of the military re-enlisting, right?
Now they're offering business, they're offering bonuses.
They understand, oh my god, we kicked out 8,400 of our best people because they had a scientific reason not to get the vaccination because it was an experimental treatment and they had herd immunity or naturally acquired immunity, and they didn't want to take the risk and we could have made arrangements for them but instead now we want them back and now we want and now
50,000 is that what we're looking at and all the branches of the military they're going to be short maybe more and they will still continue this lie they continue to say
There's a low unemployment rate.
We have to compete against the private sector.
There has been a low employment rate for a long time in different administrations.
You've never had this shortfall.
Oh, people are obese.
They have tattoos.
They use drugs.
They're in gangs.
You don't have a pool.
No,
that has been constant.
What is new is if you look at the demographics of Latinos and blacks and Asians and women and white males from the middle class, and you look at which group is not enlisting according to their percentages in past years, it's the last group.
And I can tell you, I gave lectures all of 2021, 22, and 23 across this country on diverse topics.
And in every single QA, one person, two people, at least
sometimes off-topic, asked me a question.
Mr.
Hansen, Professor Hanson, would you just tell me why my son should enlist?
My grandfather, his grandfather went to Vietnam.
His father went to the First Gulf War, but I don't want him to go in there because they're going to accuse him of being racist.
He's never going to get promoted.
And I don't,
and they kicked his friends out for not having it.
I don't want him to enlist.
What do you think?
And that was the damage that Mark Milley did.
And so Mark Milley is going to be judged by history for two things.
For freelancing as if he's some kind of Kissingerian diplomat with the communist Chinese against the interest of his own president.
And number two, he's going to be judged for creating a white male terrorist phantom and creating hysteria.
And he's not going to be able to correct that.
Another thing, that whole climate of that period followed, this was the George Floyd riot cycle.
You remember that, Jack?
He said this in June of 21.
And we'd had riots over the whole 2020.
And there was Joe Biden was elected.
And Joe Biden came in and said, I'm not going to have any of this violence.
And he wanted to join the Biden-DEI exuberance.
It was the Kendi apogee.
Everybody was quoting that faker, Ibrahim Kenday.
Okay, and he just rode that.
And so did Austin, and so did Gilday, the chief of naval operations.
At the same time this was going on, we had seven or eight of the the most well-known generals and admirals in the United States, and they were systematically violating the code of uniform military justice.
Admiral McRaven, whom I have the highest respect for, given his service to the country and all he did, nevertheless, he wrote an op-ed that he said that Donald Trump should be gone sooner the better, even though we had a scheduled election.
And Colonel Nagel, I have a highest respect for, and he wrote an op-ed, said that Milley should escort, use the military to prevent Donald Trump and get him out of office.
Rosa Brooks, whose works, I admit, she was an Obama lawyer, but she was a professional.
She wrote that Donald Trump should be removed by
25th Amendment or impeachment, but preferably by a military coup.
And we had some of the
best people, I won't mention him by name, but they said he was a Nazi, that he was a liar, that he was Mussolini, that
he was supporting the policies of Auschwitz.
These were our greatest people.
And then we get the 51 intelligence authorities who swore to us right after
they were called by Anthony Blinken.
He called the ex-CI interim director, Mike Morrell, and said, can you round up some people?
51 people, Joe Biden, right before the election, they gave him that ammunition.
He said, 51 intelligence officers, Donald Trump, they say you're lying.
They say you're lying.
They say that
this wasn't Hunter's laptop.
Hunter never even said it wasn't.
He never was that bold to lie that what is there wasn't his.
So put it all together, Jack.
Millie, Austin, Gilday, these retired four stars, best and brightest of our military,
disparaging, deliberately violating their oath of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, completely exempt from any repercussions.
And then you have their counterparts and the intelligence all align and put it all together.
And you wonder why people do not want to join the military.
Right.
Would you want to serve under these people?
Yes.
Or this code or this ethos that they've created.
And I think it's going to have to change or we're going to be in control.
It's a larger question, Jack.
You know,
when you use any system in history that uses ideology as the barometer in place of meritocracy, it's going to cause failure and death and and destruction.
We saw it in Nash.
If you look at some of, and it was good for us, that the Nazi ideology permeated, especially as the war go,
every military decision.
So you had people like von Monstein and Gwederian and Rommel,
you name them, and
they were relieved of command.
And they were all accused, von Kleist, all these people, of not having sufficient National Socialist credentials because Nazi ideology,
you couldn't buck it.
And this was, you know, we're going to have this super America bomber with six engines.
We're going to have V-2 rocket.
All of these ideas that were militarily unsound as far as cost of benefit were based on ideological concerns.
So was the
idea that you're going to kill six million people in the greatest crime of humanity in the modern era, maybe ever, and you're going to do that and take all of your transportation out of, you know, Dresden and all these places and put Jewish civilians to execute them, even though it hurts the cause because you're so full of genocidal hate.
Only a Nazi could do that.
When you look at the Red Army and you look at the three greatest encirclements in history, two in Ukraine and an outside of Moscow in 1941.
And you look at what the commissars were telling Stalin, we're going to make sure that everybody is ideologically for the revolution.
They're not going to take one step back.
And they said, you better have a strategic retreat or you're going to lose this 600,000-man army.
No, no, that would be against the revolutionary fervor of communism.
And then suddenly, in October, I think, of 42, oh, there's no more commissars.
We're not going to have that.
And we saw what happened with loyalty oaths in the McCarthy period.
And so one of our great classes, I didn't agree with him.
He was a leftist, but Moses Finley Finley was a genius and he had to take a loyalty oath at Cornell, and he chose not to do it.
And he went to Cambridge.
And that was, by the time he died, he was the most quoted ancient historian in the world.
And so my point is this: when you have this DEI ideology and it permeates every aspect,
and I say DI in the widest sense, so trans athletes, and you have clouding gay, and you have United Airlines using 50% mandated of DEI trainees
are going to be our pilots.
And you have the FAA using DEI criterion rather than experience.
It's going to permeate the entire society.
And whether you know it or not, when you get up in the morning and you flip on that switch and there's electricity, or you get in that plane and you go through the fog and the rain and the snowstorm safely across the United States.
And when you go on campus and you feel you're safe for your unorthodox views, that's all based on a merocratic system, not tribalism, not ethnic chauvinism, not racism.
And you substitute that and you say, we're going to adjudicate who gets promoted.
based on her race,
not her articles.
If you're clouding gay, you don't write four articles
and expect, unless you're clouding gay, expect to get tenure.
And if you're clouding gay, you can plagiarize, and that's okay.
And we'll make new words for it, euphemisms, missteps.
When you start doing that, then the whole system will insidiously erode.
And it's not,
it's,
everybody quotes Hemingway's Sun Also Rises.
You know,
it was gradually, then suddenly, when he's talking about a character who went bankrupt.
And that's what happened to Rome in the fifth century.
You can't tell it's going on that much.
You just feel it.
It's insidious.
You can see in Rome that people are coming across the Danube.
They're coming across the Rhine.
The legions don't speak Latin along the Rhine.
They will not go over to North Africa to help.
You start to see that the aqueducts are sort of clogging up.
You start to see that there's not as much glass being produced.
You start to see that the production of grain is going down.
You start to see if you take the Wia Agnetia from Rome to Thessaloniki, it's very dangerous for the first time.
You start to notice that the road's not being up and that, and then suddenly it just implodes.
People come across and say, you know what?
These people either can't or won't fight.
We're taking over.
And that's what happened.
And this is what's happening to our own society.
This DEI ideology is unwinding it, among other causes.
And we are here and every day we're confronted with it.
We're thinking, wow,
how did this woman become president of Harvard?
She plagiarized.
She didn't even produce the data in her dissertation.
She got tenure with four measly articles.
She tried to go after the most brilliant professors at Harvard, Roland Fryer and Ronald Sullivan, black conservatives.
My God,
she can't even say that she'll stop people conducting themselves in an anti-Semitic way, behavior and speech.
How did this woman get here?
What has she done to Harvard?
Look at Harvard's corporation.
They're defending this.
700 Harvard propressors say it's not plagiarism.
It's just copying.
My God.
And that's what happens.
And we're watching it online the same way, the same way.
And this is a very pernicious ideology.
And we need to go back to merit.
And it'll only happen.
And that's why I imagine, you know, we haven't said that, Jack, but have you noticed that I think Christopher Ruffo was a little bit out there when he used the word scout,
but his larger strategy was kind of brilliant.
He said, yes, I wanted to go after Claude Ngay.
Yes, I have no apologies.
Yes, I'm going to keep examining the credentials of people who are in high positions of influence and power that didn't arrive there meritocratically.
Yes, I don't care what you say.
Have you noticed that kind of in your face, I have no apologies?
And I think that's good because that's what it's going to take.
Well, and what's her name?
The Congresswoman.
Oh, my gosh, I can't remember.
From the New York City.
Is it Stephaniek or Stephanie?
Stephanie, yeah.
Stephanie.
Talk about In Your Face.
And
remember when Hillary Clinton testified before Congress a long, long time ago, and she was the first lady, and there was a sense of cowering of Republicans when faced by
some, you know, untouchables on the left.
Yeah.
And it was nice to see her like not give a rat's ass who these three people were, their
uber prestige because they were, you know, presidents of Ivy League and MIT.
So she deserves a hat tip too.
Hey, Victor, we still need to talk about,
well, get your thoughts on Francis Collins, but we also need to take a break and
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So, Victor,
Francis Collins, the now former head of the NIH, and
as you know, and I'm sure most of our listeners know,
along with Fauci, Anthony Fauci, one of the two people overseeing not only
the
health, quote-unquote, health response to the COVID pathogen, but also overseeing the
locking down of America and a host of other social
consequences and rules and regulations.
And he now admits some interview that he did last year that has come out.
He says we we weren't really considering the consequences, that's in quotes, of extreme
measures such as business
shutdowns, school closures, stay-at-home orders.
He confessed that, quote, public health people, end quote, made a, quote, really unfortunate, end quote, mistake by ignoring the devastating side effects of the interventions they believed were necessary.
to curtail COVID-19 transmissions.
Victor, one other thing, and I'm just reading, by the way, here, a piece in Reason magazine.
He was also, though, the tag team partner of Fauci
in moving to swiftly suppress
Scott Atlas and the Great Barrington Declaration when that came out.
Like, what do we have to do to suppress this immediately?
Francis Collins has a lot to be held accountable for.
Anyway, Victor, any thoughts about this?
Why didn't he,
first of all,
why didn't he issue apologies?
He could have said Scott Atlas, which was on the White House task force,
in various consultations and giving advice with Dr.
Burks, myself, and Dr.
Fauci, advocated a type of
relaxed quarantine and focused
efforts at protecting old people by keeping them out of the general population as much as possible and having a realistic attitude about social distancing and mask with proper concern, though, advocacy for the vaccinations, but with the qualifier that it wasn't the magic bullet that had been advertised, with ample concern that missed cancer screenings, operative operations, screening, et cetera, coupled with school time lost, coupled with a Zoom impersonal culture, is not going to work economically, socially, politically, culturally for this country in terms of spousal, family abuse, alcohol, substance abuse.
Why doesn't he just apologize?
Because that's what Scott said.
He didn't.
He didn't apologize to Scott.
He didn't apologize to Jay Bacharia, whom they went after because of the, as you mentioned, the Great Barrington Declaration.
They didn't go after John Yannanides, the brilliant brilliant immunologist at stanford they didn't apologize to michael levette the nobel prize winner the funny thing was jack as i've mentioned before here was stanford university
and they didn't understand
that they had four stanford professors Scott Atlas, affiliated with the Huber Institution, John Iannanides, Jay Bacharia,
and Michael Levette.
And they were all right and they were all voices in the wilderness and they all used their expertise and they could have been
taking credit for that.
Stanford would have been famous.
They could have said, we don't want to get an argument, but we have some of the most distinguished public health officials in the United States and they want to offer a corrective or at least advice about an alternative and we want to support airing of those views.
Did they do that?
No.
The president, the provost, they went after them.
The medical school tried to take Scott's medical license.
They censored him.
The faculty senate censored them.
They made them persona non grata.
In one case, they suspended his pay.
And what can Francis Collins say to that?
Nothing.
He did a lot of damage to people, and he did a lot of damage to our listeners out there, some of whom suffered economic ruin.
Some of them had psychological problems.
We wouldn't have had the George Floyd, I really believe that.
I think we would have had a week of riding, but you put people in their apartments, their houses, you don't let them out, and their only source of information is the media.
And then they hear that,
it caused so much damage.
It ruined the Trump administration.
Absolutely, I still believe, and I think you do too, Jack, if we did not react the way we did to COVID, Trump would have been reelected.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So he did a lot of damage.
And you know what else gets me really angry?
And maybe our listeners can fact check this, but I remember
two years earlier, right about the time that we discussed Millie was sounding off, he wanted to get into the action, the DEI, I can out DEI anybody.
And Francis Collins issued a blanket apology to the whole biomedical field and said, we have structural systemic racism.
He didn't give any examples.
He just apologized.
So what I'm getting at is this is a man who has no morality or intellectual bearings.
He cannot make statements or come to decisions based on empirical evidence and the courage to express his opinions regardless of the opposition that might arise to them.
So if it's a DEI mob rule, then he wants to get out in front and apologize for all of us who have created a medical system that he says is racist.
If he really believed that, then he should have stepped down and said, I am a white male and I took advantage of this systemic racism and I can do no more to call attention for it at the height of my career than to resign.
And I asked Anthony Fauci to do the same.
But to say to young scholars who are getting MDs and PhDs and that type of research, we're not going to be hiring you because of your, it's the lowest of the low.
And then you know what else gets me?
He could have he could have apologized to all those people who were injured, both government officials or medical officials.
He didn't do anything.
So he,
let me get this straight, when DEI was riding high, he comes out and apologizes for racism.
And then when the pendulum swings and he sees that the mood of the country now is, oh my God,
we demonize the people who told the truth and we cannonize this Fauci faker and all these people.
And I want to apologize again.
And we're going to say, no, no, no, no, no.
Can't do it.
Gone.
You're retired.
Just go back into the corner and keep quiet and write your one-sided memoirs or something.
We don't believe you anymore.
This is one apology too many.
And you apologize only on what you take your finger, you lick it and you look at the wind direction and you make the according apologies and people ruin cook people suffer because of you same thing with Fauci ultimately Jack ultimately
if you're dispassionate and you're analytical and you're not ideological or political you just look at the evidence you come to the following likely conclusion.
I think Nicholas Wade, the scientific writer who was demonized for telling the truth in an article, basically Stephen Quay, who was demonstrated, they all said the same thing.
Basically, when you look at it,
these
people
were very worried, and I don't know whether they had influence with or support from the CIA and the National Intelligence and Defense Complex,
but they were worried that we had
outlawed for reasonable
worries gain of function Bible research.
And they use this lab as a surrogate.
And so they thought we want a stakeholding in this lab in Wuhan.
So we will say we're going to give them 600,000 from the NIH that Faoxi got through the Institute of allergy and infectious diseases.
We're going to route it to our buddy Peter Dasik.
And then he's going to give it to them.
And that
gives us plausible deniability that we only gave him 600,000.
But we're also going to greenlight researchers that can go over with them or communicate with them and guide them in their research.
And they're even going to give them expertise and maybe even instrumentation.
So we have a big stake.
And then when this thing blew up, they thought, oh my God,
we helped this communist government create in the lab a very
virulent, 30 times more infectious than any coronavirus in nature that's going to kill millions of people.
And they're going to blame us for it.
It's going to come out.
So what we have to do is we have to do two things.
We've got to get a narrative out there that it was a pangolin and a bat.
And number two, we've got to lock down.
We just better lock down the whole country.
And then we've got to demonize anybody who does two things, who objects to our lockdown.
We're going to have to call them into question their competency, their patriotism, everything.
And then we also have to call them liars if they say it's from the lab.
That's what they did.
And ultimately, they're responsible in large part for the COVID epidemic.
And they know it.
And that's why they are wounded fawns.
They've kind of slunk off to the corner.
And now he's, well, I'm kind of sorry what I did.
Maybe, maybe, sort of, kind of, maybe I might have done something wrong.
And then Fauci is,
well,
I think I'm going to retire at 80.
I would plan to go to 90 probably, but I will retire.
And he stayed as long as he could to use that $50 billion purse strings and make sure that nobody criticized him.
You talked to, and I talked to some medical researcher.
They all said the same thing.
Are you crazy, Victor?
You think that in 2021 or 22, anybody was going to challenge Anthony Fauci?
You think they wanted their lab shut down?
They're not going to do that.
It was kind of like clouding gay at Harvard when Roland Fryer wrote a brilliant article with empirical data and let his research be discussed
that in the aftermath of George Floyd, there was not systemic racism that led to an inordinate number of
unarmed black suspects being killed by white policemen.
And that was proven.
Even the Washington Post concurred.
And then there was an outrage.
And then Harvard's best professor, MacArthur, fellow, the whole thing that, you know, Glenn Lowy was right about that, that he was the most promising.
He wasn't.
I couldn't say he was the next Tom Soule, because that suggests patronism, because he was black.
He was the best economist.
He was the next Milton Friedman and Tom Soule
on matters of race.
And
they came to her and they said, this guy is really, man, we're all here from DEI and we've got this narrative after George Floyd.
And you take away the George Floyd narrative that blacks are being murdered by these racist white supremacy cops and the whole DEI.
And you better go after him.
And she did.
And she did they find, did they not reopen some
lab
that had been re
already had been adjudicated about him with his interaction with a with a female?
Said a bunch of off-color jokes, joking.
Nobody had ever complained about it.
Said things like, I think he had an aide that said she was going to Paris.
He said, I wish I could come along and stuff like that.
Or he said things like,
when he was just bull session with his staff, and he said something like, I was kind of a con artist in high school.
I would say anything to have, you know, sex or something, just a joke.
And there were women in the room.
And later, most of them said no one objected because they were saying the same thing.
It was kind of a ribald bull session.
And she took that and rode that.
She had no understanding, Jack, that since antiquity, it's pretty well known
whether you're a Christian, you have a Christian version of it.
But even if you're an infidel, you agree that there is something called nemesis and karma, paybacks of bitch, what comes around in the popular culture, that there is a governing body in the universe that understands that, that when you commit a wrong like that,
the forces of
deity,
I think, I look at it in a Christian perspective, that there is a great regulator in the world.
And that
is.
And that's what happened to Claudian Gay, and that's what happened to Francis Collins, and that's what is happening to Anthony Fauci.
And you can't escape it.
And what the Greeks told us,
maiden agon, nothing too much.
That's in the Temple of Apollo at Delphi.
One side was no thai seaton,
no thi seaton, know yourself.
And the other side was nothing too much.
And the idea was the golden mean, which is a Greek term, the crusion
metron.
And you have to be humble and you have to be careful.
And if you don't do it for good reasons, then do it for practical reasons that you don't want to offend the regulator of the world who sees everything.
If you don't believe in the eye of Zeus seeing everything, then believe in a Christian God who is a moral being and your soul depends on some morality.
And that morality is contingent on turning the other cheek or being nice to people in the way you would like to be treated.
And these people can do that.
He can count every hair on your head from the Bible.
So it's the supremacy of
the eye of God on us and all our actions.
Absolutely.
And this arrogance that we get into that, or as my mother said to me once, I don't want to sound like Joe Biden quoting his parents, but
if you don't want to be nice to, she was a just appellate court justice.
I would go into the court and everybody liked her because she said if they were changing tires in the service area of the state building or whether they were a concierge, she would always talk to them or invite them in her office.
And she drove an old car and she was from a farm and she had a, you know, kind of a,
she lived in a very small house.
And
she said, if you don't believe in treating people
right,
and she did, but even if you didn't, there is a force in the world that, and as she put it, when you're on the ascent, you're going to hit a plateau and then you're going to be, as you age, in a descent.
and the people who flatter you and the
ascent may not be there in the descent but the people that you're nice to from all walks of life will be
and even if you don't you don't have a moral compass and she did but she said even if you don't you have to be practical
and that's what they didn't understand if francis collins had just said
This is what I think we should do.
We should shut down the economy and we should go to social distancing and masking and we should require the
vaccination boosters.
However, we've never done this before.
So I welcome dissent and people to come in in case we need a national conversation.
I'm going to implement these policies, but as they start to
work out on the ground level, there's going to be people with different views and I want to hear them so that I can adjudicate and modulate and be flexible.
And he didn't do that.
Instead, it demonized people and it created a whole
we're going to, you know, loot you out.
We're going to rat you out.
You're right.
And Victor, maybe it wasn't, you know, you mentioned it just a few minutes ago, the, I'll call it a cover-up of the funding of gain of function against the law.
But who knows what else these knuckleheads were doing over the years, not related to COVID, but other things that.
Well, I think they'll go back and look at some of the AIDS and the reputations of Fauci and others during that epidemic will start to change as well.
And
I just think that's going to happen.
I think they were kings.
They were tyrants of these huge bureaucracies and they used their ability to give money to particular people and they selected them.
And
when I was in graduate school, you could see that in a very irrelevant, minuscule way, that if you were in graduate school and there were particular fellowships, I was at the American School of Classical Studies in Athens.
I was at Stanford University and there were particular people in these institutions who had,
as I look back on it, was meager monetary, you know, scholarships or continuances of fellowships.
And they use that.
They use that to get control over people.
And that's what they do.
And
you've got to speak out against it.
And the only way you can speak out against it is have a tragic view that you're going to be screwed over by them and you don't care.
And that's a liberating feel.
You have nothing.
You have have to say to yourself, they have nothing that I need or want.
And then you have to find ways of
compensating.
Yeah.
You know, that also,
what will you do for a Klondike bar?
And there are people that would do things for a Klondike bar.
And, you know, you know, I saw last night Billy Wire, Wilder's The Apartment with Jack Lemon.
What a great movie.
That is one of the best movies, actually.
One of the best movies.
And Fed McMurray, and his whole life is to, he turns his apartment into a revolving house of prostitution, basically, for all these corporate bigwigs.
And he gets insulted, and they make fun of him.
And the more he's magnanimous to them, and he puts the apartment in his use, the less respect for them.
And then they finally, the girl, Shirley McClain,
tries to commit suicide.
He helps cover it up.
He's nice.
And then they reward him with his own.
And then he just breaks.
I said, I can't do this anymore.
And then, you know, he stops it and he marries her at the end.
You get the impression, but
same idea that
I can't do this anymore.
Well, it's the man behind the curtain.
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again, we're recording on,
I don't know if I mentioned this at the outset, the 6th, the Feast of the Epiphany, January 6th.
And earlier today, I came across, and I sent it to you before we started to record, a tweet from
Ashley St.
Clair.
She's from the Babylon B, but this isn't a Babylon B-ish story.
She writes,
hey, United, and she's talking about United Airlines.
On July 29th, the United plane was nearly totaled after a hard landing.
Who was flying that aircraft?
By the way, Victor, I went down not a rabbit hole on this, but I saw pictures of this.
This happened happened in Houston, and this aircraft was like crumpled.
It was a big freaking jet and it bounced
piloted by a white supremacist.
They're too busy.
Now, they were all in the military.
So to conclude what she wrote in this tweet,
was the co-pilot a former flight attendant who was fired in all caps and then rehired
through United's DEI program despite being on a list.
Was this a rhetorical question, or did she have evidence?
I have a feeling she has evidence
because
she is a journalist, and
there's a lot of stuff here in the follow-ups, but I can't imagine putting something like this
out without having some background material.
But there's also a fact, as you mentioned earlier, that this same company
has a
mandate of DEI in its in its hiring.
And it's,
wow, you know, if you're DEI and hiring, and I don't know, you're selling peanuts at Yankee Stadium, that's one thing.
You're flying an
aircraft, you're operating
machinery that if you F up,
many people are going to die.
So this is really
this is really uh disturbing uh but we you know anyway i i if you had any thoughts on this uh
feel that you haven't said already feel free and we could we have other things we can talk you know i haven't i just remember that
uh this wasn't very long ago maybe a year ago remember that united flight that went from maui
i think it was united and almost crashed right and it was it was really weird it didn't it was a it was a it just plunged almost down like i don't know 700 feet or so into the ocean and then it corrected yeah and they never really told us what happened they just said it was a storm
and i i don't know i just feel and you and i have talked on this show about these near misses and i mentioned that i've had those take do-overs you know where you come down right and you start and then all of a sudden they abruptly go up and i've had two of those and i just get i don't know if it's the increased traffic or it's the bag.
And in LA, they had a near collision on the ground and the bag.
I don't know what it is, but
there's too many people flying for the ability of the air traffic controllers to control the flights and the number of planes to be checked to make sure they're.
mechanically secure and to have top flight pilots.
It just, that's the, the equation.
It just, it's not like it was 10 years ago.
Right.
And we're going to see more of these.
And whether it is also because the airlines, United in particular, are using criteria other than merit or experience, I know the FAA is.
And I know that United has a pilot training that mandates a particular half of all
applicants have to be DEI.
So if you're going to do that, what we talked earlier about the commissariat
system,
I don't know what's going to happen.
But you get the impression that the fabric of this country is so complex that it has no margin of error.
And when you start to tinker with it, you rip that fabric.
We just had that Alaskan airline here that was in a brand new
737 MAX and the cowling came off because it was not, it's not made of aluminum.
It's made of composite materials.
And they think the de-icing chemical they use wears it out.
And it just hit the side of the i think it two years ago or three years ago it did the same thing and it killed somebody oh so this one was they say a window blew out on a yes and this one just happened it just happened yesterday on the way from ontario i think to seattle so
these things are going to increase until we we get and pete buttigig who oversees this is not interested in your safety he's interested in clover leafs being racist he's interested in DEI, DEI, DEI.
But he's not, his foremost concern is not your safety, whether it's on a freeway, whether it's on a train, whether it is.
He didn't even go to East Palestine because he was afraid that people would confront him over this
until like two weeks after it happened.
I don't think Joe Biden has ever been there.
Everybody knows that if East Palestine had been a marginalized person community or DEI, he would have demagogued the first day and been there.
But he knew they were poor white people and nobody cared about them and they deserved what they got.
He just wasn't.
They were MAGA irredeemables.
That's who he attacked.
He wasn't going to set foot there.
He didn't care.
So it's so politicized and this country is so complex.
I just feel that the country was built and reached an ascendance somewhere around 2000.
And it was based on a very, very different paradigm than the rest of the world.
It was a merocratic paradigm that privileged liberty and freedom more than it did enforced equality.
And therefore, it was not like Europe, the other form of the Western paradigm.
It was not like Japan, a westernized country.
And it was certainly not like Russia, Iran, Latin America, China.
And that's why people came here.
And we've got all this natural talent that came here, and they all agreed, whatever the religion, race, to play by this merocratic system.
And the people who couldn't do as well financially, there were mechanisms, not just government, but philanthropy and family that helped.
And if you kept that paradigm, we would have the greatest affluence, security, safety, prosperity.
And we can't do it.
And so we threw that away this century, and especially after George Floyd, and we started using the commissariat system, and we're promoting people to very high places in government, in the cabinet, in the government, in the vice presidency, in the president of Harvard,
and they're not there because of merit.
And the funny ironic thing about this, Jack, is
that when you get rid of DEI and you just have a merit-based system,
then people who have been unrepresentative
soar
because they feel that they're going to show people that
they were prejudiced.
So you get people like a Glenn Lowry or a John McWhorter or a Roland Fry or a Tom Soule or Shelby Steele, not just equal with the so-called white community, but better than, I mean, no different than the very top best people in the world in their fields.
And they incidentally happen to be black, not essentially.
And, you know,
I'm at the Hoover Institution, Condoleezza Rice.
I can tell you, Condoleezza Rice is not Claudine Gay.
And she's been, you know, she handled geostrategic decision-making in a way that Claudine Gay could never do.
And she,
so when you see people that, and she, and they all have something in common.
Shelby in Chicago or Tom growing up in Harlem or Roland Fryer from a broken home or Condoleezza Rice growing up from Alabama, but not a Haitian aristocrat who is just sent right into Phillips X or Andover Academy, right?
Right.
And so that's what's so tragic about it, because then people think, well, he's a DEI when if you just didn't do this, but you worked at the,
all you'd have to do is get rid of DEI, affirmative action, everything.
And you take a hit in the beginning, but then you go into Chicago or Los Angeles, and you get private academies, and uniforms, and required Latin, and
you get rid of the Al Sharptons, and the Jesse Jackson-type people, and all of those people, the candy fakers.
And you get people who say, we're going to have a lower illegitimate rate than any other community, and we're going to have a lower divorce rate, and we're going to have a no, and you get that momentum going, and then you don't have to worry again.
And it's sort of, it's like so-called white people that people don't say anymore, that guy's Italian, that guy's Serbian, that guy is Greek, that guy's Arab.
They just
blaspheme him as white.
But the point I make is those used to be very big fault lines.
You remember when we were growing up?
Yeah.
He's a spic.
He's an Armenian.
He's a Jew.
And that's kind of just
now they're white.
And people make fun of that.
But the point is that
those tribal identities became.
Yeah.
I'm sorry to do this.
It's like one of the great of the many great things in The Godfather when Tommy meets the Jack Wolves or whatever the movie producer calls them.
We
Guinea Goomba Greaseball.
And he says, I'm, I'm, well, I'm, I'm Irish and German.
He said, well, my Mick Kraut, Kraut Mick friend.
You know, and this was, this is the way people taught and think and thought.
And actually, it wasn't from, you know, for me growing up, this is not adversarial.
It was always, you know, bonding in one part, you're Italian, but then also comical when you're dealing with your family.
You know, it's funny, isn't my grandfather was a very,
I worshipped him.
He was my maternal.
I worshiped both of them, but he was maternal.
And he was Welsh.
And Rhys, R-E-S-Davis,
very Welsh.
And I think he was three-quarters Welsh.
He had that ruddy complexion with buck teeth, right?
We all have if you're Welsh or he's half.
But his two daughters married in the 40s.
One was Danish and one was Swedish.
My dad and my sister, my aunt's husband, he was Danish.
And people were very worried because they came from Kingsburg or they came from these Scandinavians.
And the word was that Scandinavians were hardworking, but they tended to be depressed.
Maybe it was a climate they grew up, they were culturated in, but they drank a lot or they smoked a lot.
And my grandfather told me, said, I just loved your dad.
You know, a lot of people came to me and they said,
if
your mom marries a squarehead,
he'd work like crazy, but they drank and they're depressed.
And that was the prejudice against.
Is that what it's
squareheads?
Yeah, squarehead.
That's what i when i was in football the coach came to me and he said we have an eight and a half football helmet victor but you're a square head so come over here we have a square head cabinet and i went there and they had these huge football helmets they had like three of them he said put that on square head and i said and it fit and he goes well we only have two square heads with these big gargantuan skulls and he said my god where'd you get that thing you know
and they said you have a hard head so
you know, everybody got concussions in those days.
I only got one.
And he said, I got hit really hard.
A guy kicked me in the Sanger game against Selma.
And the guy kicked me in the head.
And I, you know, I saw it, literally saw birds.
And the coach came up to me and said,
you can't have a concussion.
You're a square head.
Well,
that was funny.
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So, Victor, yeah, I came across this tweet.
uh put up by a guy, Colin Rugg.
It's a little video, and it's a dude boxing a woman and world champion female boxer Clarissa Shields.
I'd never heard of her before, but I take his word, gets knocked out by little-known boxer Arturs Amatovs during trainings.
You know, they're wearing their the
headgear.
Great example of why biological men shouldn't be competing in women's sports.
Just how good is a boxer's Shields?
Shields is one of three boxers in history to hold all four major boxing world titles in two-weight classes, and yet she gets knocked out by a no-name male.
Like immediately, immediately.
Victor, I mean, I am so, I don't care if it's Tiddlywinks or badminton, or,
but
this,
these
men
who want to be involved in women's sports, there's something utterly misogynistic about it.
And in cases like this sport, or we've seen other sports, rugby, like these big freaking pulking dudes knocking these, you know, women over.
I think they're thrilling to it.
They're thrilling to the embarrassment of women in locker rooms.
I don't understand it.
I think it's,
I gotta be careful here, but there's some
deep-seated dislike of women by these people.
You know what I mean?
They don't want to discuss it.
But if you're a male and then you say you're transitioning with hormonal therapy, but you know that your genetic muscular skeleton profile gives you enormous advantages in structure and muscularity, etc.
And then you go deliberately into this female sport.
And you know that you have this advantage.
And you know that you've created a climate where if anybody objects, you're going to call them all sorts of names,
and you know you're going to destroy the aspirations of women, and you know you're going to destroy the whole 50-year record of advancement for equality of women's sports and records especially, then you must not like women to do that.
Because
if you have, most of them still have male genitalia,
they take hormones and they may have breasts, but they still have the genitalia and they, I guess they have hormone suppression, but they have the muscularity.
And then you add into the equation that this society had finally paid attention to
sexuality and pre-16, pre-18
year naivete and all of the manifestations of adults taking advantage of children for sexual purposes, whether that was intercourse or voyeurism or exposure, and you put people who say they are women, but they have male characteristics, and you have young girls, you know, 16, 14 in a locker room who've never seen male genitalia, and yet they're seeing them, and they know that if they say anything, they are going to be held culpable, then what is it?
What's the driving force?
I mean, there are solutions to this, Jack.
All you have to do is say there was something called
gender dysphoria.
Going back to Havelock Ellis or Four, people understood that.
It's a very, very small percentage, probably less than 1%.
But it does exist as a medical challenge.
And you can treat that.
If you have very careful counseling with hormonal treatment, and then the person can become transgender.
However,
that does not change the DNA.
So
we're going to have a special category for transgenderism.
And we recognize furthermore that it is not a problem
for women who transgender to males.
Now, the transgendered community may tell us that once you're transgendered to that opposite sex, there is no difference.
And if you mesh your pronouns, you're no difference.
But we know there's a difference because there has never been a transgendered
man who was a biological woman who has
broken a major male record.
There are transgendered women, men who went to women that do do that.
So we understand that that prima facie shows you that they're not completely women in the classical sense or completely men when they transition.
Therefore,
we're going to have a special category.
It's called transsexual sports.
And we'll allow people to
compete.
They'll have their own Olympics.
They'll have everything.
Sure.
And why not?
And we'll have an association.
Yeah, go ahead.
And they won't do that because they insist there's no difference between once you transition, even if you have a phallus and testicles, there's no difference between you.
and a woman.
And when you put these people into female cell blocks and penitentiaries, or you put them in locker rooms, then you get what is happening.
And then this, what's weird about the whole thing is this
new
internet
social media fueled
witch, say them which trial type thing and McCarthyism.
And you put that element in, do you destroy people even if they question you?
Or do you see that clip that went viral about the African-American guy?
He's at the,
I guess it's Delta.
Delta.
Yeah.
And when you don't see the, but the other person is screaming at him and he just says, finally, I'm not going to play this game.
Yeah.
And I really admired him.
Bravo, I agree.
Yeah.
And
I think everybody's,
I think just to finish today, everybody should remember there's been two iconic moments.
that we have never really seen before.
One was December 5th.
That had the largest, did you know that had the largest viewership of a congressional hearing in history, supposedly?
More than the Watergate.
Maybe the population's bigger of people who watched that on video or replay
or live.
And then
the three presidents presented.
Yes, the three presidents and the December 7th.
Excuse me, October 7th.
Those two events have really changed our lives because the October 7th brought home to people
that the whole DEI
marginalized person, intersectional community
was racist and they were cheering the mutilation, necrophilia, decapitation, everything that happened on October 7th before the IDF had even
responded.
And on campuses, which were supposed to be the hallmarks of intellectual freedom and excellence, they were in behavior and conduct harassing Jewish people, hitting them.
Yes.
And that showed you that they did that because they felt that they could claim victimhood in their binaries of victim, victimizer, oppressed, oppressors, and that gave them exemption.
And then people said to themselves, oh my God.
We have created Frankenstinian monsters and they are attacking the creators because we didn't think this was ever going to happen.
But once you tell a person that he is a victim and that if he says things about his supposed victimizers, he has a complete blank check to say everything he wants or does and there's no comp, then you have a civil war almost.
And the second thing was if you pick three
presidents,
these are not old white males in the old boy system from Harvard and MIT and Penn, but they are women women and one is a woman of quote-unquote color.
And you put them before Congress and the nation and you ask them point blank under oath,
what are you going to do about
the epidemic of anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish behavior and conduct that expresses itself in hatred?
What are you going to do?
And
they have all been coached by sophisticated law firms.
And they say it depends on the context or they cite the First Amendment when you know
that that is a lie because in each one of their universities they have suspended, punished, expelled, either visiting, canceled, either visiting speakers or visiting lecturers or their own faculty or their own students for thought and expression and behavior they deemed hate.
Meaning it's unorthodox and it's directed against gays, women, trans, Latinos, blacks, Asians.
Anybody but white males and Jews or both.
And they lied about that.
And then they, when they were cross-examined, that's what Stefanik was famous for.
She said,
what would you have to do to incur
a punitive reaction from you
if you called for the death of Jews and they were dear in the hairlights.
She said, would you have to actually kill a Jew before you acted?
And that completely discredited
the whole idea of the DI and it discredited their universities.
And,
you know, now we don't even talk about Harvard University.
We call it the Harvard Corporation.
That's what it is.
And we never really did that before.
Now we look at the board, we say they're a Harvard Corporation.
They're just a corporation.
They're a $50 billion money-making machine and they're exempt and then when they get snarky and say oh well the debate about claudine on 40 got in the public domain yeah well it's a public domain because you you don't pay taxes you corporations all corporations pay taxes you don't pay taxes on your endowment income you get money from the federal government huge subsidies you get subsidized loan help
so you know what we're not going to give that anymore to you because you're not disinterested and nonpartisan you're an ideological mill, and that's your purpose.
Can I say something, Victor?
Because that's ruined.
I do.
I think it's ruined.
Well, let us pray.
But that tax status is all based on what is a sense of the public good.
You're doing something that's for the public good that would otherwise have to have been done maybe by the government.
So therefore, we're going to give you a tax break because you do this public good.
But that's a subjective thing.
What is the public good?
I do believe, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I do believe that if you are a social science or humanities major and you go to Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Ivy League, our elite campuses, and maybe it's true of the other ones too.
I taught at one 21 years at Cal State Frozen,
but you go there.
And I taught humanities, and it was a good thing, I felt.
It was non-political, and it really helped people.
But I think that experience, forget the cost-benefit of the huge expense, is a negative now.
And the person who leaves and graduates from those universities is more
ideologically intolerant.
They're more racist.
They're more sexist, and they're more chauvinistic.
And they end up disliking more.
than liking the United States.
And the whole experience is negative.
And until they reform,
they're going to have to be treated at what they are.
That is a private corporation that has an agenda, and they will pay taxes on it.
And when Harvard starts paying $2 billion in income tax, they might just might, and the Harvard corporation, Penny Prickster, might say, wait a minute, we got to pay $2 billion.
I don't think we can afford 70 DEI people anymore.
Well, how would we get out of paying the $2 billion?
Well, I guess we'd have to go back to a curriculum and read Shakespeare or have a course on the Revolutionary War or something.
We just have to be, I don't know, non-biased, I guess.
And that's the only hope for them.
Right now, they are a toxic presence in our country.
Yeah.
And you know what's sad about it?
They're ignorant.
You're supposed to train these young men and women to become good citizens.
And, well, what happens when you train them to be bad citizens?
I don't know, but I can tell you.
I can't enjoy the joint tax exempt status.
I can tell you that I have
been a guest professor at Hillsdale College, and I have been a guest professor at Stanford, and I work at Stanford, and I have been a guest lecturer where I gave lectures at UC Berkeley.
I was at the Naval Academy, and I can tell you that today's Hillsdale student,
I would put them in, you give a test on exiting a bachelor's degree.
You just pick out of a hat 10 students from Stanford and 10 from Hillsdale, and you give them a multiple choice question
on history, literature, and the Hillsdale student will just outperform them in every category.
I just believe that.
And that's based on empirical, not scientific data, but it's just true.
And so they're not just arrogant, but they're not well informed because, you know, there's only 24 hours in a day.
And when you're taking the sexual, the Latinx sexuality and the art of rhetoric and masculinity and trans
history of transsexualism and the cinema, you're taking it and the, you know,
superhero comic books and the gay man or something.
And these are titles.
And you take that, then you're not, don't have a time to do the other stuff.
Right.
And it reminds me, you know, I was was a classicist.
I had a great mentor, John Lynch.
And
after my first year, I had never had Latin or Greek.
And he said, I did well in his Western Sib classes and literature and translation.
He said, I'd like you to think about classics.
And I said,
well, I'm 18.
And he said, well, it's not too late.
I thought it was too late.
And he said, if you've got to go to Yale, intensive Greek, I said, I'm only 18.
He said, well, it's all for 20-year-old, 20, 30-year-old graduate students, but you can survive it.
and when you come back you'll have eight or ten weeks of intensive greek and then you'll start latin and you i looked at your transcript you have 45 units of advanced placement you don't have to do any ge
and if you study latin and greek and ancient philosophy history you could go to graduate school
and i thought wow but then i said to him well how many hours does it take
to learn If I take this,
he said, well, it's going to take you 50 hours a week in this four hours of classes four hours of study of your homework and then you have to do in the summer four hours and you new haven connecticut is humid and hot
but if you do that
yeah that's what he said you're going to have to do because friends know it's so cool and balmy well he says dry heat but his point was that you're going to have four or five hundred hours, right?
Right.
And he said, then you're going to come back.
It's going to take you 2,500 hours hours or 3,000 hours to learn Greek well.
And then you'll have Latin.
So that's about 6,000 hours.
And that means that you're going to short your broad, but you're going to be reading things in the West.
So the content will help.
So you'll be broadly educated.
But my point is,
I thought, wow, I looked at my day, you know, 40 hours a week and there was no time.
Right.
And I was really worried because I took an environmental
ecology class and it was a really good professor.
I liked him, very left-wing.
But I thought, wow, I'm studying something that's not this.
But that is just out the window now.
We don't even tell students that.
We just take these courses, take this.
And you think, nobody ever says,
you know, take,
I don't know, psychological problems of the inner city and the racist
Kindy, you know, or Abraham Kindy's dialogues or whatever.
They never say, take that, but you're not going to be reading King Lear and Dante's inferno right
they never say that but that's what it is and so when you do that in a zero-sum game you're turning out churning out these people who are arrogant and ideological and intolerant and feel they have a missionary zeal to change the country and they have no intellectual tools to do it and people know that and then you start to examine them and compare them and hold them to criteria and rules and merit.
And they say, you're racist, you're sexist, you're this, you're that.
And Presto, you get Claudia and Gay.
Yeah.
And here we are.
And how does that ruin everything?
I'll tell you how very quickly before we go.
You have a serial plagiarizer who would not give the data.
Just not producing the data alone to share is a scholarly offense.
Right.
That usually nullifies your dissertation
or anything.
And then you have this meager record of four, and all the articles were on
systemic racism in this and that.
It was all about that.
Nothing else.
You know, she's an economist or supposedly or political scientist.
She didn't write about anything other than what she is.
One tricked pony.
One trick pony and 60% of the 11
articles were plagiarized.
Okay.
And then she can't even say under oath that she will punish people who engage in anti-Semitic conduct and speech, even though that she punishes
harshly anybody who would dare do that to any other person.
Okay.
And what is the reaction of Harvard corporation?
Remember, not the university, the corporation.
Well, 700 faculty members then try to suggest that her plagiarism is not plagiarism.
They hire a law firm.
The law firm then sues the New York Post and threatens them with libel.
Then they get their surrogates and they say
between the surrogates and the corporation and the faculty and the law firm, collate all what they said.
Yes.
What did they say about plagiarism?
They told the nation, Harvard did, or its surrogates,
plagiarism is just mere copying.
One, two, if the plagiarized professor, which we're going to really demonize if he objects, if he doesn't object, it's not a crime.
If he doesn't care,
if Claudine stole his work, what do you care?
Number three, these are whistleblowers.
These are anonymous.
I mean, this is well beyond Michael Vinman.
Remember in Eric Saramello, they canonize?
We have to protect the whistleblower.
You need anonymity.
If they don't come forward, that's what the law firm told the New York Post.
These are anonymous.
And
so what did Harvard do?
They took their preeminent reputation as the world's greatest university, supposedly, I don't concur, but supposedly, and they made a systematic, continuous, serial defense of intellectual theft.
And they did it because they felt we're Harvard and we can get away.
with demonizing anybody who criticizes Claudine Gay because we're committed to racism, racism as defined by promoting, hiring retaining enhancing somebody because their race or gender and we're not hiring because of race we're not hiring and we will do anything yeah we will lie we will make up rules that we have never applied we have never once when we had a student
plagiarize that we suspended or a faculty member that we let go, we never said once,
well, it was just an anonymous complaint, so you don't have anything to worry about.
Or, you know, it was just copying.
You don't have anything to worry about.
Or,
I don't know, it's just one or two times, you don't have anything to worry about.
Or it's just a misstep.
You don't have anything to worry about.
Or you use duplicative language, duplicative language.
They never once did that.
So that fact, they're never going to live down.
And now finally, they're stuck because they have a full professor of political science, Professor Claudine Gay, that will be in this political science department, probably with her presidential contract salary of $900 plus thousand.
And she will be in that department and everybody's going to think, hmm,
how are we going to do this when we discover some assistant professor, and they will, is guilty of plagiarism.
How are we going to do this when a student turns in a paper and it's plagiarized?
And how are we going to kick them out when we've said it's only duplicative language or just a misstep?
Or how are we going to do this because we said that anonymous person ratted them out, so it doesn't count.
That's what they're stuck with for the rest of their lives.
And they don't know what they've done.
That the whole Harvard corporate board's got to resign.
They've got to say, you know what?
We did this to Harvard.
We're sorry.
And she should resign too.
She should say,
I don't know.
Maybe they can, you know, have a solution for it.
It would solve so many problems for the Democrats and the left.
Why don't they just have appoint Kamala Harris as president of Harvard?
She has an advanced degree, a J.D.
That's good enough.
She's a black woman.
As Joe Biden said, he was going to only pick a black woman.
He's got a black woman that would ease up the Democratic nominating process.
It would matter.
They wouldn't have the Harris problem.
to ease her out.
She could not be any less impressive than Cloudine Gay.
She's got more experience.
If you're telling me that the vice president of the United States is not qualified to be the president of a now severely diminished Harvard corporation, I don't believe it.
That would be just a wonderful thing to do.
Gee, did you get up?
Willie Brown come as a commencement speaker.
I admire
Willie Brown.
But once he was a brilliant politician, he didn't have a lot of scruples, but
he basically said, if you go back and read his op-eds,
you go for the San Francisco Chronicle during her ascendancy into the vice presidency,
you collate them all.
And it was basically, that was my live-in girlfriend.
I was married.
I wasn't divorced.
She was about 30 years younger than I am.
I groomed her.
I got her a job on a state board.
She didn't deserve it.
I got her.
I used all my contacts and got her elected city, county, county attorney.
I did everything for her.
And I would be very wary about you guys voting for her.
I mean, he didn't say that, but
that's
even
Charlemagne the God said that the other day.
You know, the guy that Joe Biden said,
what a weird world we live in, man.
It's like,
by the way, Victor, I think we've seen nothing yet with Harvard, I think, because Ackman, the guy, you know, the billionaire who's oh, yeah, we got to finish on that real quick.
Go straight into that, Jack, about his wife.
Well,
so his wife has been outed now, he's outed, as having plagiarized in part on her dissertation.
I think it was for MIT,
or she taught at MIT, or maybe it was at Harvard, I think, one of the big elite Massachusetts schools.
But she apologized, and yes, I same thing.
But my thought here is like, okay, I mean, Ackman's revenge.
Are you going to F with my wife?
Can you imagine him bankrolling investors?
You hear what he said?
You hear what he said he did is going to do?
No, no, no.
Well, I didn't.
Well, wasn't her dissertation from MIT?
I think so.
Yeah.
And she's absolutely, that's his second wife, but she's absolutely stunning.
And she's a new age.
She's really, isn't she?
Yes.
She's a cutting-edge architect that everybody wants their designs for.
I don't know.
I'm a classical architect.
I mean, I like classical designs, obviously, but
she's very talented, apparently.
And I guess in her 330-page dissertation, and this is what she's saying, that she had two passages, I don't know how many, but once you go down that road and you say that you can't, she's going to have to, you know, pay the price.
You have to.
Right.
Okay.
So what he says is,
it's kind of hypocritical, but he says, well, I knew they were going to go after my family after I did this, and they did.
But that doesn't mean that she wasn't culpable because she apologized today, unlike Claudine Gay, and I admire both of them, he and his wife,
because they were very smart.
They said, We're not going to do Claudine Gay and not mention it and say, I have the, she could have said, I have the highest standards of scholarship, and I'm, I acted proactively.
Yeah, she could have said that, you know, you're after me because I'm Jewish, you know.
Yes, she could have said that too, yeah, or you're after me because I'm his wife, but she didn't.
She just apologized.
I thought that took a lot of character.
But here's the thing: Then he says he was going to go through, I guess it must be through, it wasn't explicitly defined, but we're going to go through, I guess, through computers or stuff.
Because you can take anything anybody writes, right?
Right.
And you can just
copy it and put it on a Google search, right?
And if that comes up in a problem, you're dead.
If it's more than, I mean, sometimes.
I've done it with articles that I've read, you know, and I thought, this sounds weird.
And
there'll be something like it, but it's only one sentence and it's not.
It's just a coincidence.
So, but the point is he's going to go through all the MIT faculty and president and go through their published works and see if anybody plagiarized.
It's going to be like YouTube.
Have you noticed that?
When everybody.
Yeah.
Remember me when every single male in the United States was saying, hmm, when I went out on that date, did I say something wrong?
Did I do something?
Is that going to come back to haunt me?
And now every single person in the country who's ever written anything is going to say, hmm.
Yeah, I think there's some plagiarism software out there.
There is.
That's what he was implying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I think that's what they use to get to get Claudia engaged.
And, you know, like I said, Christopher Ruffo was unapologetic about it.
Yeah, he's
talk about a scalp.
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