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We are recording, Victor.

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But who knows what will transpire between now and then.

What has transpired in the last few days, Victor, is the second phase, as it's being called, of Israel's response to the

Hamas.

terrorist attacks and the war in Gaza.

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My friend, there's always big breaking news.

And here we have a phase two.

Israeli tanks are moving.

into parts of Gaza.

Victor, what are your thoughts about the

Israeli response and anything related

to this dramatic situation in the Middle East?

Well, you know, I was waiting for Barack Obama because he didn't say anything.

Remember, Jack, for 72 hours, where he calculated all of his prior Mideast policy, you know, he had, he was the guy that brought Robert Malley into government as his, quote, Hamas expert, well before the Iranian manifestation of Robert Malley.

And he was the Ben Rhodes,

you know, deputy national security advisor, they don't know anything, echo chamber, and the whole Iran deal, and then the whole crackpot Obama theory of

these capitals, Tehran, Damascus, Beirut, and by extension, Hezbollah and Hamas, all as a counterweight to the Sunni moderates in Israel.

And then we would leave them behind.

We've talked about that.

And it all blew up.

Even when he was running for office, remember we talked about that too, Jack?

That video of Rashid, is it Khaledi, the professor who had said some things, and Obama was introducing him, and then they squashed it at the LA Times.

They didn't want anybody to know because he was in his stealth mode that nobody, he didn't really want to tell anybody that he was very anti-Israel.

And his eight years showed that he is.

And then the Obamaites from Susan Rice,

Samantha Power,

John Kerry, Jake Sullivan, Blinken, they have all reappeared under Biden, but they're even more dangerous because Biden is non composment.

So really, this is the third term, and this whole thing is blown up.

And you'd think that he would be so shamed that he'd shut the blank up.

But he was so forced after this gruesome bloodletting in Israel that he waited 72 hours and he kind of said, well, you know, this is horrible and there's no excuse.

And now he's come out and blasted Israel for cutting off, he says, food and water.

But Gaza is an autonomous state.

So it would be like, wow, we're at war with Germany and we cut off their water.

In other words, we didn't bring them water.

I mean,

they've had hundreds of billions of dollars.

And for the price of one tunnel, they could have been drilling wells all over Gaza, right?

Or had desalination plans.

Yeah, I mean, like Israel.

What is Israel supposed to do?

Is it supposed to now say to the killers, we're going to drop food from the sky to subsidize you so you don't have enough aid money to divert to the tunnels and rockets?

Because that's what he's saying.

And,

you know, this whole, this thing is surreal because every single day, Gazans pop out of their tunnels, they put their little launcher out, and they shoot these rockets that they've stored.

And they're intended to kill nothing, nobody other than civilians.

And then at the same time they're doing that, and as the Israelis are trying to stop them, and that stopping them means trying to figure out how to kill these killers when they're under the underneath hospitals, schools, mosques, etc.

And they're phoning people and they're dropping leaflets, Obama, the Obamaites of the United States are saying,

you're disproportionate.

This is cruel.

This is collective punishment.

You're targeting.

And you want to say, well, what is Gaza doing?

They're trying every single day to kill Jewish civilians in Israel.

And nobody says a word.

Their whole plan of attack is to kill

civilians in Israel and to kill their own civilians by putting them in places where they know they will die.

And even their leaders have said that, yes, these civilians will die, but that's a noble sacrifice.

And Barack Obama can't see the difference.

And none of these people can in these crazy administrations.

And then, you know,

the irony is just, we have all these students, and they go out,

Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, and the Middle East community and the DEI industry, New York, Washington, LA, and they say, all of these horrible things destroy Israel from the river to the sea, river to the sea, river to the sea.

That means genocide.

That means to push all the Jews to the sea and to take their place from the Jordan River all the way to the Mediterranean.

And then simultaneously, these same people

say,

Israel, Israel, you can't hide.

We caught you in genocide.

So is genocide bad or good?

Because they're calling for genocide every single day.

In other words, they're calling for a manifestation at a great, much greater magnitude of the animalistic behavior they showed on October 7th.

The only problem with that for them is it wasn't extended to all of Israel.

And they are genocidal.

That's what their slogans say.

And then they object and allege that Israel is committing genocide.

They're the past masters.

That's what they want.

And now, and so it's just so crazy that these people in the United States can't see this moral asymmetry.

And it's, when you have Barack Obama in the equation, it's, I mean, does the guy, he just, what, he puts a toe outside of one of his three mansions and says, I've lost my street cred because I sold out to Netflix and I'm worth a half a billion dollars.

And I'm worrying about whether I have a beachfront here or, you know,

solar panels on one of my mansion.

And now I've got to say something edgy to restore Barack Obama, community organizer-in-chief.

So then he comes out and says something stupid.

Well, Victor,

a couple of things.

One is

Barack Obama's.

He created this.

He created this mess.

Well, so we've we've discussed this before, but at the core of this,

at the core of his Iran policy, which is an anti-Israel policy, right?

That's what's the motivation, anti-Israel.

Why?

Now, right now, I know Israel stands for Western civilization, why it's so much more heightened, the hatred.

But go back to 2008,

the outset of this policy by Obama.

Why in 2008?

Why is there such a deep hatred of Israel?

Because it fits into his

cultural Marxist binaries.

The world is divided between people who are so-called white and oppressors and people who are not white and oppressed.

And it's his duty with his superior intellect and morality to adjudicate and use his power, his rhetoric to always wage war from one of his mansions on behalf of the poor.

So when he looks at the Middle East, and always is this way, he said, Israel is very powerful.

It represents Western civilization.

I'm going to transmogrify them into white Americans.

And the Palestinians are weak and they're oppressed and they lost their this and that

and they are Latinos and black.

That's how he looks at it.

And therefore, I'm a community social organizer, and I'm going to weigh in.

And this means I don't want to know anything about the history of the Jews in the Middle East.

I do not want to know anything about 1947, 56, 67, 73, 2006.

I don't want to know any of that.

I don't want to look at one word of the Hamas Charter.

of 1988.

Don't want to look at it.

And that's where he is.

And he likes, I shouldn't say he likes, he's willing to put up with Israelis when they get a left-wing labor government.

And then he will say, if you do this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

then we'll like you.

And if you give this concession, this concession, this concession, this concession.

And so, what does that do to Israel?

It ends up on October 7th.

So

if you want to let in 20,000 Gazan workers and you want to help the economy and you want to have regular relations,

you want to pursue the Abrams Accords, you want to hold back on Hezbollah,

you want to consult with the Americans, you're going to have October 7th.

That's just

all that

Israel has to worry about is one thing.

It's called deterrence.

It has to remind people in that neighborhood that it is dangerous, it is unpredictable, and that if you do things to it, if you preempt, if you start a war, it is crazy.

And as long as it can convey that message, the Jewish people will be safe in Israel.

The moment,

the moment you lose that sense, and that can be lost in a variety of ways.

You can have a million Israelis out in the street as if they're Belgians or France and they're, you know, they're yellow jackets in France or they're Antifa BLM in May of 2020, United States.

The moment you do that,

these existential enemies say, see, look, look, they're divided.

Or the moment you say,

I don't, I think there's going to be a

two-state solution, I think

you're done.

The moment the United States starts to regularize, normalize relations with Iran and gives them billions of dollars, you're done.

So

it's just the way it is.

And it's, you know, it's, we all go through these things.

You know, know, we've all had people that don't like us.

And the more that you try to be magnanimous, the more they interpret that as weakness.

I've had neighbors, farming neighbors that way.

I've had people in farming I met, I've had nutty professors that way.

Everybody has.

And human nature being what it is, I wish it was not true.

But unless you radiate strength and you'll have no deterrence and you will be exploited.

But there is a caveat, and Israel understands that caveat.

The caveat is when you go medieval on Hamas,

you don't brag about it.

You act like you didn't want to do this because they didn't want to do it.

So

you say, I don't want to kill civilians.

I didn't want to do this.

You brought it on.

And Israel's been very good.

It hasn't been triumphalist.

They're not yelling out, God is great, as they kill people in Hamas.

They don't say, wow, take that, haha.

They don't call the IDF soldiers soldiers are not calling their mothers and saying, hey, guess what?

I killed 10 Arabs today.

Ha ha.

And the mother doesn't say, Allah Akbar.

They don't do that.

And that's important that they don't do that.

But

there's a sickness in the West, and

it's been there.

Everybody knows our great weakness is that when you combine constitutional government, personal freedom, with free market capitalism, you create a magnitude of wealth and leisure that requires self-discipline, religion, community, tradition, reverence for your past,

self-control.

In other words, don't do what you have the wherewithal and freedom to do.

And yet, when you break those norms, you go to what the Romans said was luxus or decadence, and you look at what we're seeing.

Nothing is more decadent.

than for some wealthy kid, spoiled brat, if you showed him a map, again, he wouldn't know where he couldn't distinguish Tel Aviv from Damascus.

And he's out at Stanford or Harvard Yard mouthing these mantras of existential genocide about the Jews in Israel.

That is the height of decadence.

And you know who's not doing this?

It's not some kid who's a plumber's apprentice in Mobile, Alabama.

It's not some poor guy, a Mexican-American guy on a tractor for 12 hours a day in Euro on California.

It's not some guy on a horse up in Wyoming.

They're not doing it because they live in the real world and they understand you don't have to be perfect to be good.

You just have to be better than the alternative.

But these utopians who have been coddled, they've been pampered, they've been spoiled, they think they've arrived at the end of history when they go to the Ivy League or Stanford.

They're of the anointed.

They're the kind of, I can't believe this is happening to me.

They might not give me my job that I deserve.

Oh, wow.

I just said that Hamas was great.

I just was mouthing all of the propaganda from the terrorist organization.

And now

they want to tell everybody what my name is.

This isn't fair.

I'm going to get in a fetal position and scream.

That's what they are.

They're passive, aggressive, cowardly people.

Yeah.

Well, Victor, before we move on in greater detail or depth in your thoughts on that point about the Academy, I just am wondering,

you're not an armchair general and

you've never

tended to be, but your thoughts now, three weeks into this,

again, we're recording

on the 29th,

of Israel's military response.

I guess, is there anything disappointing that you see as a military historian, or do you see...

I don't think there is.

It is predicated on one thing,

that Joe Biden has to be led by events, that is the popular opinion in the United States, which still is 65% for Israel.

And the Republicans got their speaker, and they've got to rush through this multi-billion dollar munitions package to Israel.

And if we will let them do what they have to do, then I'm very confident because

they're not going to get, you know, they're not going to line a thousand tanks and get 300,000 people and say, here we come.

We're going to jump in your tunnels.

No, they're not going to do that.

They're going to do what they've been doing.

They probe.

They get a targeted district.

They get air power to come in.

They get attack helicopters.

They use drones.

They start killing Hamas people in particular areas.

They do damage to infrastructure.

They try to blow up tunnels.

And then they get out.

And that's an ink spot.

And then they go in from a completely different direction and do it again.

And then they do it again and then they do it again.

And Hamas never knows where they're going to go or how long they're going to be there.

And then in theory, in three or four, five, six weeks, those ink spots coalesce into a big spot.

And that's the end of Hamas.

That's their strategy.

And it's been done throughout history.

And it's what the Romans did to Carthage.

They would go into the walls, they would make a pocket, they would take out people, they would go back out.

And then they'd go in, and then they'd go in.

And it was, it wasn't, we're just going to try to crash through.

They tried that, and it didn't work.

And Israel knows that won't work.

But you let the IDF Air Force

start taking some of the tunnels out, and then you know where certain command and control places are, and you go in there on the ground and destroy them.

And then you get back out before they all swarm on you.

And then you, at the time they're swarming on you, and you're getting out, then another group and another group and another group is coming from all different directions.

That's what they're going to try to do, I think.

I think they're doing it now.

Well, Victor, we have some, I think we should explore a little more things on

campus and

reaction from supporters and silence of administrators.

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titled Our Immoral Monsters.

And you're talking mostly about students.

There's an incident at Cooper Union in New York City the other day.

Excuse me, yesterday, Saturday, was this ugly campus demonstration at the University of Washington up in Washington State.

Not necessarily campus related, but you saw these massive rallies, anti-Israeli, anti-Jew rallies in London and in New York City.

So, Victor, big, big educational ball of wax.

You touched on some of it, but a couple of people are writing, Carol Markowitz

in the New York Post, David Harsani and others about the

gutlessness of college administrators,

these college presidents who, for anything, will put out a press release.

and show their solidarity with

leftist causes have been pretty silent on what's transpired now three weeks ago.

Victor,

any well, they're not, it's not because they're shy, as we know, Jack.

They're outspoken, but they're only outspoken on things that they think resonate with their radical agendas, their faculty especially, but the students as well.

So George Floyd, they thought the university had a duty to get into politics.

And they blasted this and that, systemic racism, white raid, you know,

trans issues.

Somebody says the wrong pronoun, the president wants to virtue signal and performance art his concern.

So anything except mass murder of Jews.

Now, that's something that's just too difficult.

It's too complex.

It's not their wheelhouse.

They don't think they have to do anything.

They who weigh in on everything else.

So they are moral cowards.

And what they are, Jack, is we've talked about it.

They're Dr.

Frankenstein, and they were toying around with this monster called DEI and opens a mission from the Middle East.

And they have created a student body that's about 30%

hates Israel.

And then another 20 to 30%

are wealthy kids that think it's fashionable.

They're useful idiots to parrot this idea.

And the result is that half these student bodies are ignorant because when you went to the whole Daesh studies curriculum and you went into the DEI ideology, they didn't learn German.

They didn't learn Plato's Republic.

They don't know anything about the geography of the Middle East.

They don't know, they're ignorant, but

they're arrogant too.

And the presidents are terrified of what they created.

And now it's left to us, the people who are listening, the public.

And if any good comes out of this tragedy on October the 7th, we really need to say to these people, as I said before, we've got to tax your endowment income.

Stanford, you've got $40 billion, and you have 14,000 administrative staff and about 15,000 students.

And I can guarantee you the vast majority of those administrative staff are auditors, censors.

They're not productive.

and they're ideologues.

And

if they, that $6 billion income, 3 billion of it comes from the endowment.

If you tax that and they have to give them a billion and a half dollars, that whole thing is going to dry up.

And if you get the federal government out of the loan business, $1.9 trillion in outstanding loans, and you say to Harvard, you've got $60 billion,

that's a lot of money.

So every time a kid comes to you, you guarantee his loan.

And you, Princeton, and you, Yale, and you, Duke, and you, University of Washington, and you, Cooper Union.

And once they have the moral hazard is in the right place,

then they will know: I don't want you graduating in six years.

You won't pay back my loan.

I don't want you majoring in gender studies.

You won't get a productive job that will pay to pay back your loan.

I don't want you to kind of take three or six units or

scream and yell all the time.

I want you to study and I want you to get a major and I want you to get out of here and get a job and pay us back.

And as far as the faculty, if they said to the faculty, here's a five-year contract, and we expect the following scholarship to be done, the following consulting with students, the following teaching minimum performance standards, peer reviews, student evaluations.

Here's your meetings, community service with the university, department responsibilities.

And oh, yes, we have a clause that if you, we believe in free speech, but if you openly, openly advocate for a terrorist murderous organization of any ideology, you're going to be fired.

Sign on the dotted line, five years.

And at the end of five years, we'll see if you filled your side of the bargain.

If you did, you get another five years.

But, you know, I gave a talk last night in Newport and I asked the crowd, can anybody, I said to Jack, can anybody stand out who has tenure?

And one person did.

And she said, I'm a mom.

I have tenure.

I'm a mother.

I have a lifetime job.

And she did in a way.

But it doesn't exist anywhere else.

It exists for one reason.

The idea was that you should be able to speak freely in an academic environment and pursue truth in an inductive and empirical fashion.

But if you don't do that, and you shout people down that may be against abortion or you throw stuff at people who say, I'm not completely sold on your version of climate change, or you say to Judge Duncan at Stanford, I hope your daughters are raped because you feel that he got the wrong pronouns, or you feel that Israel is the only constitutional government in the Middle East and deserves our support,

and you don't allow any, I mean, you're in your class and you say, all you Jewish kids go to the other side.

Well, then they broke their bargain.

They broke their bargain.

So why should they get tenure?

Because tenure did one thing.

It made 95% of the faculty give to the left when you adjudicate their political giving.

There's one Republican for every 20 professors, one conservative.

And that's what tenure, the ability to speak freely, did.

How could you be any worse?

So there's things we could do.

And, you know, there is a law, a federal law as well, Jack, that says

that if you're on a green card or a student visa and you openly advocate for a terrorist organization,

your rights to be in the United States and residency is revoked.

And we could easily do that.

All we have to say is here's a, we were very good, Jack, on January 6th.

Remember how everybody had videos and we had websites that were going through every single person with facial recognition to make sure that some guy out in Butte, montana who happened to be on the periphery the fbi came to his door why don't we do that with these demonstrations somebody has a placard that says from the river to the sea we say you're advocating for genocide in hamas and you broke the u.s law i think you should go back and get your wish you wish you wish you wish to go back and champion radical hamas why not go to the embryo and do it there you'll be much more effective and i think it would stop tomorrow tomorrow all all this stuff would stop.

It's all predicated that 51% of the population who's sick of it just said, they're loony.

Just forget it.

They're like the, it's like watching the Oscars.

I don't go to a first-round movie.

Why would I care about these people?

Well, you better care because they're very dangerous people.

Victor, I was just going to add

earlier, and we don't need to go down the road on tenure, but there was a piece in Politico

about Greg Lukianov, who's a very good guy, you know, with fire.

And

they've done some polling.

By the way,

they fight on behalf of

hundreds of college professors.

But what their polling shows that even with tenure,

I don't think it's a majority, but a significant percentage of professors admit, even with tenure, they pull their punches.

Because

you could have tenure and just, they'll find a way to hang you if if you cross them on DEI.

They will.

I would rather take the exposure and make everybody exposed rather than think that tenure is going to protect.

They go after people with tenure all the time that are on the right or conservative.

I mean, they went out.

Scott Atlas has Dave Factor.

He was tenured at the medical school and he was a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

And they went after him.

They didn't care whether he had, they tried to fire him.

And had the mood of the country not switched and what he had said had not proven prescient, they would have had, they thought, the public

administrative support to get rid of him.

They didn't care about tenure.

They didn't care at all.

They fired a lot.

They fired a lot of people

with Joshua Katz.

They fired him at Princeton.

He had tenure.

And everybody knows if he hadn't said

that black radicals who took over a dean's office were not, were acting in a terrorist fashion and was unapologetic, they would have never,

well, that's how they got, went after him.

It was for that.

They cooked up all these other things from his ancient past about, oh, he had a relationship with a student, consensual relationship with a student.

But

if they were to enforce that from what I've seen in academia, you'd have to fire 75% of the faculty.

So it wasn't that.

It was what he said.

And they didn't care about tenure.

They don't care about tenure if you're conservative.

Right.

So you have to be Samson-like.

Just tear down the house on top of you because it's worth it for the other 95 to have the same exposure you have.

Conservatives don't have tenure, they have it in name only.

It's time that everybody had it

in name only,

or not at all.

Right.

Well, Victor,

gosh, there are so many fires raging thanks to the great president we have.

One of them's in, I think, in Turkey.

And we've talked about Turkey before.

But

let's get your thoughts on what's happened recently in the last few days.

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Victor, with so many foreign policy crises or demi-crises, China, Ukraine, Middle Middle East.

We have Turkey, which we've talked about before, but here's which I don't know if it's today or yesterday, but right around today, it's marking the 100th anniversary of secular Turkey at Turk, you know, it's that's anniversary.

So President Erdogan had a

spoke at a massive

rally, a pro-Palestinian rally, and he he just he described Israel as an occupier.

Here's what he said.

Israel has been openly committing war crimes for 22 days, but the Western leaders cannot even call on Israel for a ceasefire, let alone react to it, Erdogan told a crowd in Istanbul, which they were waving

Palestinian flags.

So here's a member of NATO

and

a great enemy of,

well,

I don't know.

Well, it's an enemy,

certainly rhetorically.

I hope not in any other way.

Victor, your thoughts on how do we handle Turkey?

Can we even handle Turkey?

It's hard to know.

I mean,

he's not that popular.

He's about, he won about 55%, 45%,

but he's a lunatic.

And he feels that he's Mehmet II and it's 1453 all over again.

He's the Ottoman sultan.

And

remember, everybody, that he's a total hypocrite.

And he's a coward, because if he really is angry

about non-Muslims killing Muslims or treating them badly, as he says, then he would go after Putin because Putin leveled Chechnya.

Or he would go after the Chinese who have a million Muslims in work camps and kill them.

Or he would go after

himself because what do you think he's doing in Syria but killing Kurdish Muslims?

So that's not what it's about.

It's about his hatred of Jews.

And

he has a long record.

I mean,

he took a UN world site, Haggia Sophia, that was built by the Greek Byzantines in the 330s AD and was there for a thousand years.

And then the Ottomans took it, turned it into a mosque.

And under Ataturk, it was made into an international non-religious shrine, given its history.

And what did he do?

He made it back into a mosque.

And you go to Istanbul today and you see people covered, women covered, and you talk to people who are not Turkish, Muslims, Greeks, Orthodox, Armenian.

They're all frightened, frightened.

And he said,

Maybe Israel will wake up someday and things will come from Turkey, from the sky.

Now, he said that about Athens, too.

That's his favorite metaphor.

Things are going to come from the sky, from Turkey.

And he's waging war with his proxies trying to destroy Armenians.

And he is.

100,000 Armenians and more have fled from disputed lands that they'd been there for centuries.

And if he had his way, we know what he would do in Armenia because he said it.

He said that we might have to go back to the solution of our grandparents, i.e.,

the

two genocides that Turkey waged against Armenians.

And so there's nothing redeeming.

And the only good thing that's out of this, people are starting to see what he's up to and what he is and what Turkey has become under him.

So he had his finance minister go through all of Europe and his agents in the United States trying to raise investment because he's destroyed that economy.

And guess what?

Nobody wants to give Turkey any money.

And, you know, if

hedge fund, development, you know, they don't want to give him any money anymore because they don't trust Turkey.

And

it's a larger question.

Why is it in NATO?

I know everybody's going to say, Victor, you're just spouting off.

You don't understand the complexity.

At Insular Base, we have nuclear weapons.

We have

logistical flexibility and strike flexibility all over the Middle East.

It's a NATO member.

They have joint projects with his training.

Nobody listens to Erdogan in the military, blah, blah, blah.

But he shouldn't be in NATO.

He's very dangerous.

And thank God the Europeans woke up when they wanted to get in the EU because they did not let him in.

He'll never get in the EU.

Turkey will never get in the EU.

And what he's doing is

he is block by block,

step by step, minute by minute, overturning the whole Ataturk secular legacy.

Even as he prays that he's the next Ataturk and he's Ataturk.

And, you know, you get people in the economists, oh, don't listen to his rhetoric.

Turkey's a secular country.

It's very Western.

Maybe Istanbul is, but not the rest.

And they don't belong in NATO and they do not belong.

in the EU.

And

it would be a great discomfort to have a hostile power right on the Bosphorus.

But that's what we have now.

Only the hostile power is inside NATO.

And it has access to NATO intelligence and NATO weaponry and

NATO systemization.

And if we ever got in an existential war in the Middle East, I think they would be on the other side.

And they have the same relation as Gutter does to us.

We say, oh, it's too complex.

No, no, you guys, don't listen to him.

Don't listen to anybody else.

We have a CENTCOM base.

And for all the stuff that Gutter does and Al Jazeera that they sponsor, privately, privately, they're working with us.

And that's what they tell us.

And of course, then they tell Al Jazeera and everybody, look at the stupid Americans.

We tell them that privately we're working with them when we're publicly and openly defying them and can't stand them.

And yet we have to have a base in.

Turkey and a base in Gutter.

And

they're getting to be existential enemies of us.

And I don't understand why we're doing it.

I mean, there is a new alliance that partly we created thanks to Obama and the legacy of Obama and Biden's weakness, but it is Russia, China, Iran, Gutter, Turkey, North Korea, basically.

And they are all not just anti-Israel, but anti-American and anti-European.

And we have created it.

And it's time.

I think this war is going to cause JACA a huge rebooting, a reckoning, a reconsideration from everything about the bankruptcy of BLM when we saw their glider posters and what they have been saying about Hamas to the campus, to the idea of a two-state solution, to the idea of giving millions and millions of dollars to the Palestinians, to the idea of illegal or even just unaudited immigration from places that hate us to NATO, to our so-called allies.

I think it's time that the United States is going to have to say, you know what?

A hard rain is falling, and we've got to tighten our belts and we've got to get disciplined and we've got to cut spending and be physically responsible and build up our military.

We get people in the military that are not part of the revolving door contractor class and they're not woke and they can win back the 50 or 60,000 people they drove out of the military by either their crazy vaccination policies or they're just sheer sheer rudeness and humiliation and insults of these people who have traditionally died at twice their demographics and they've been insulted by this woke military.

So we've got a lot of stuff to do, but we better do it quick.

It's like 1940, 41, when we were utterly unprepared for the world as it was rather than what we thought it was.

We have a perception of what gutter is, what Turkey is,

what the Palestinians are, what the campus, and it's completely wrong.

It's self-delusion and it's dangerous.

Yeah.

Victor, on a large scale, as mentioned before, these

rallies, terrible rallies, hundreds of thousands of people in London and New York is so dispiriting, but so are some anecdotes.

I sent one to you.

I don't know if you saw this, the link I sent.

Douglas Murray had tweeted something about this cop in Britain.

Did you see this?

I saw that.

So

for listeners who haven't seen this,

a guy at a rally had a British flag, the flag of St.

George.

I know in America, Victor, we take our flag, I think we take it much more seriously than

than most other,

you know,

residents of other nations take their flag.

But still,

a lot of people have died under this flag and fought for that, you know, the flag of St.

George.

And a cop,

like a, you know, a white middle-class cop came up to the guy with the flag and

essentially accused him of brandishing a racist symbol, you know, a threatening symbol, a triggering symbol.

And that's so discouraging.

Geez, the flag of your own nation is something that you're supposed to hide and not be proud of.

What the hell is England coming to?

Or maybe it's true they do it here.

They do it already with the don't tread on me Godson flag.

You remember that the

colonialists created to show unity and that they were not going to take it from.

It's a symbol of hate, right?

Yeah, it's a symbol of hate.

So

it's, again, it's a mentality, it's a mindset in the West, this Western disease.

And

people understand it that don't like the West or they don't like America and they take advantage of it.

And it's up to us, the majority of the country, to say that things are changing.

We're not going to be just ignored or humiliated or considered or smeared or slandered in the process the way you've done it.

And we gave, you've had your chance and you took a wonderful university system.

When I went to Stanford University, I had liberal professors, but they were excellent and they were empirical and disinterested and inductive.

They weren't like they are now.

Same was true of UC Santa Cruz.

Everybody think it's pretty, it was a wild cultural place, but my professors, even though they were left-wing, there was free speech and there was inductive reasoning, and they did not punish or reward people for their ideology.

And that's over with.

And I think people are going to have to say, those are not your universities.

They don't belong to people who happen to be there in residence for four years.

They're not just the faculties.

They're the people who give you tax breaks.

They're the people who subsidize you.

They're the alumni.

They're your donor class.

They have as much say as you do, if not more say.

And the same is true of the military.

Military is not Mark Millie's

military.

It's not.

It's a lot of combat veterans that...

died in awful places.

It's veterans.

It's people who are wounded.

It's the public who funds it.

And

it's not a woke military.

That's not set in stone.

And the same thing with the FBI and the DOJ and everything.

But

it's, I think everybody knows that things are really getting dangerous, Jack.

They feel that it's a, what, a multifaceted meltdown that this, we've never seen this left-wing,

nihilist agenda.

anarchy superimposed on all our institutions.

So when we look at the border, it's not just the regular 300,000.

It's like the ancient Danube and Rhine.

It's 8 million people.

It's just unsustainable.

It's not just the regular trillion deficit.

It's 1.7 trillion on top of 33 trillion in debt.

It's not just, you know, high crime area, inner city, be careful.

It's

they can shoot you or they can rob you or they can carjack you and nothing's going to happen.

They've destroyed the idea of jurisprudence and deterrence.

And it's not just,

well, you know, the Green New Deal, they're kind of dreamy utopia.

No, no, no.

They will drain the strategic petroleum reserve for midterm advantage, and they won't fill it back up.

And then they will stop Anwar and they will stop Keystone and they will stop new federal leasing and they'll put you dependent upon Iranian, Russian, and Middle East oil.

So it's getting to the point where

it's starting to affect the daily process of life.

You know, when I, I was, we were in Los Angeles this weekend, and I filled up for $7 a gallon, $7.

And I thought, this is unsustainable.

California's got the fourth richest deposits of oil in the United States.

This is crazy.

And meanwhile, Gavin Newsom is doing his Abercrombie and Fitch or whatever his latest stylistic garb is on the wall of China, meeting with Chi and saying that we're partnering on climate change.

The man who's putting two coal plants in every month.

It's just surreal.

And I think everybody sees that we're kind of in the 11th hour, that we're losing control of all our institutions, all these issues that Biden brought in.

They've all failed.

And when I hear Biden omics, man, I just look at and I say, stop, take a deep breath.

Mr.

Biden, what were interest rates when you came in?

And what are they now?

What

were prices when you came in?

And what are they now for key items?

Food, housing, fuel, energy.

And it's been a disaster and it's starting to crumble and it's really worrisome.

But I am confident that most people of all political persuasions in both parties see that it can't go on.

They really do.

And even Democrats know that Camilla Harris is not sustainable.

She's not a viable replacement for Joe Biden.

And they know that he's not viable.

And they understand that now.

They do it for their self-interested

concerns, but they understand that

it's a disaster.

And if Gavin Newsom runs for office, Jack, what's his slogan going to be?

I'm going to do for America what I did for California.

It's not going to work.

There's a big wrath right now.

And I just hope the conservatives can channel it and focus it and translate it into

actual, concrete, huge 50, 60 seat advantage in the House, 55 senators, take the White House, first 100 days contract with America, bang, bang, bang, and undo the madness.

And I don't know if we can do it, but that's the only thing that's going to save this country.

Well, Victor, the UN isn't going to save this country, I don't think it's going to save any country, it's not going to save the world.

And maybe we should end the

show today with your thoughts about some of the utterances by its Secretary General, Antonio Guterres.

And we'll get to that, Victor, right after this final important message.

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And this is what Antonio Guterres, the Secretary General,

said about Israel and Hamas.

It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum.

He said

of what happened on what happened, this

terrorism of October 7th, lest anyone miss his point, quote, the Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation.

They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence, their economy stifled, their people displaced, and their homes demolished.

This is by from the head of the United Nations.

Victor, this is disgraceful.

Yeah, I mean, he's giving us, he's a Portuguese socialist, right?

And he's giving us a lecture.

That'd be like me saying to him, well, let's go over

your conduct during World War II and your de facto neutral dash alliance with Hitler and your fascism and your colonial participation, dominance, et cetera, et cetera, from Mozambique all over

Africa.

And so he wants to talk about Israel as an illegitimate state and all this.

And he has no moral grounds to talk.

It's just, it really is, it's it's getting back to this issue, Jack, about a recalibration and a reboot.

I really think that the United States needs to gradually back out of the United Nations and get it out of this media bubble in New York.

All these people come from these illiberal societies.

I mean, there's about 180 nations, and more than half of them are not constitutional.

consensual.

But they come over here and they go through this masquerade of voting for the first and only time in their lives is when they're in New York.

And then we're supposed to believe that this corrupt organization that's

with people like, you know, the most illiberal regimes on the Human Rights Commission, we're going to listen to these people.

I think it would be much better to have a united democratic nations.

And we to be a part of it, you would have to have an outside audit that you had a constitution and you were consensual with regularly transparent elections.

And then let the rest of them do what they want.

Let China, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Gaur,

you name it,

Rwanda, all of them.

Rwanda is better than these people and let them do what they want.

And then let's just have people who are serious and not give them any.

We pay almost two-thirds of their budget.

It's just crazy.

And

part of that transition, we should say,

you know,

we like you guys, but you keep talking about colonialism and imperialism, and you do it from New York, a Western city, but you hate the West, just like you hate Israel.

So why don't you move the capital to Nairobi?

Maybe Nairobi.

That would be good.

Or,

I don't know, we could move it to Havana.

Or we could move it to Moscow.

Just go get out.

And then you could deal with the food and the transportation and the security in a non-Western country because that's what you love.

So why don't we give you your wish?

That's a good theory for all of our foreign policy.

Just let people have what they want.

Just tell people in the UN, you're not going to stand up in front of CBS and NPR and CNN.

and C-SPAN and rant and rate and then go to a five-star hotel, restaurant, restaurant, and go catch a play, and then play like you're

a marginalized person, and then get in there and give us this tired, dreary, Israel's a criminal state, and all this stuff, and the WHO and boutros and all that stuff.

We're just tired of it.

Just go away.

Go away.

Go to your room and just shut the door.

I think that would be a very good policy.

Most Americans would, would, we would say, you know, we're different than these people.

We always were.

we always will be.

We have nothing in common with them.

And who supports these people?

Just the hard-left, bi-coastal elite.

And they think, oh, I'm globalist, I'm internationalist.

No, you're not.

You're illiberal, and you're supporting an institution that has no moral credibility.

He didn't say one word about Hamas

and the decapitation, the mutilation, the necrophedia, all that.

He didn't say one thing.

And he's

a disgrace.

He really

and the international criminal court you name it it's all a disgrace anthony blinken was going to ask the un to come in after george floyd to determine whether we were racist or not

just

mind-boggling i'm putting you on the spot i didn't raise this before but did the league of nations

do you have any

a knowledge of did the league of nations ever speak out about

what the nazis were doing to the jews not really.

I mean, Germany and Japan walked out when they gave, you know, when they said, Would you please not kill people in China in the 30s?

And then they said to Germany, Would you please stop, you know, doing what you're doing?

And finally, they got out of the League of Nations.

But they had numerous,

I mean, when Mussolini was going through the Suez Canal to kill East Africans in the 30s in the Somali

wars,

they had a resolution, please don't do that.

And the British fleet could have, and the French fleet could have blown the Italian fleet, which is pretty good, but they would have blown it out of the high seas.

They could have just said, you're not going to kill Somalis

through the Suez.

And they didn't do anything.

And they never did anything.

And it's collective international governance and international law is predicated on one thing, that constitutional constitutional states are willing collectively and in unison to use force to enforce their utopian decrees.

And it never happens.

It's the old Aesop's fable.

We've got to get that terrorist, we're all mice, and we've got to get that long-toothed cat with a bell so we know he's coming.

Great idea.

You do it.

No, you do it.

You bell the cat.

No, you do it.

And that's what's happening.

And then when the person does it, it's usually the United States, then they say, oh, we're Greek philosophers.

They're a Roman legion.

They're just unthinking militarists.

So it doesn't work.

It's much better to have a few reliable allies.

And in our case, we should be doing all we can to protect Australia

and our European NATO partners, Japan, Taiwan,

South Korea.

A few more states.

You think India should issue?

Yes, I think we should really develop.

It's trying its best to be a constitutional state.

It's a multiracial, much multi-religious

disunity like we are, and it's trying to do its best.

And it has historical legitimate grievances against China, and it's drifted away from Russia.

And it's largely as an English-speaking country.

So we have a lot in common with it.

And its fertility is on

course to be a much larger country than China.

And it's it's much more transparent.

It's a much more humane place.

I think it's also pretty supportive of Israel.

It is to the degree that any foreign country is.

Because it's just in global politics, it's lose, lose, lose if you're for Israel, because it's principled and everybody

is on the side of the oil and the 500 million Arabs and the billion Muslims in the world and not, you know, 11 million Jews in Israel, 10 million.

And

they just put their finger in the air and they say, cost-benefit analysis, where's the stronger wind blow?

And that's how they make that decision with a little impetus from innate anti-Semitism.

And it's catching on, Jack, because in Russia, yesterday, they flew into one of their Muslim cities and people rushed the airport to kill Jews from Israel.

And

it's not like the Nazis.

The Nazis didn't want to tell people, the National Socialists.

They wanted to kill in the shadows.

Yeah.

Before

the intellectuals were following, in other words,

what I'm saying is that the street gangs went out, Kristallner, and they went out thugs and went after Jews.

And then

we got the Alfred Rosenbergs and justified it and all of that.

This is a little different.

These are the intellectuals.

These are the university people.

These are the elite.

And they are just on a drumbeat.

Jews are bad, Jews are bad.

Hamas good.

Hamas good.

That's the message.

And that's going to encourage what we, then the thugs come.

They're laying the groundwork for this.

You know, you mentioned Cooper Union.

When you look at that tape,

I think they had to go out under a tunnel, didn't they?

50 of the Jewish kids that were ran into the library because they had breached security.

And you look at them beating on the windows.

It was like an outtake of the walking dead or the living dead.

It was.

The people out there were screaming like zombies.

And

if this continues,

it's going to get really scary for Jewish people in the United States.

It really is.

Especially when you have somebody like the press secretary who's an utter anti-Semite, Corrine Jean-Pierre.

And I say that not on...

on because of any bias, but because what she does.

When they ask her, point blank, are you worried about Jews?

And she said, so far we've seen no evidence of anti-Semitism.

And then she went on to Islamophobia.

And she knew in her heart that Jews make up 2% of the population and they account for 50% of all hate crime victims.

And Muslims are way down there, about 9%.

So to just lie blatantly shows you that there was a reason why she lied blatantly.

And what was that reason?

She does not like Israel in general, and she doesn't like Jews in particular.

Just the truth.

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Here's one comment.

You mentioned this strategic petroleum reserve, and this one is kind of fitting.

It's titled Nobody Better,

Outstanding on Everything, Particularly Energy.

This is about you complimenting you, Victor.

One fine point.

The SPR, the strategic petroleum reserve, is much, much more difficult to refill than to drain

because the different oils must be put back in a very precise way i've heard very knowledgeable people say it could be it could take 10 years

this only makes vdh's point more i've been reading about it it takes a chemist to refill it and more importantly even is the price he took it out when it was you know when the price was pretty low well not complete but now it's very high to put it back in and he's i think he's,

he took out over 300 or 400 million barrels and he's put back 6 million.

And the price is prohibited.

It's going to get over $100 a barrel.

And why did he do it?

He did it to lower the price of gasoline, which he caused to rise right before the midterms.

If anything is impeachable, there's two things that he's done that should have been an impeachable offense.

One was destroying federal immigration law, destroying border security, and letting in 8

people without audit, without legality, without anything.

And the second was he shut down our energy agency and he drained this strategic petroleum reserve for his own selfish political purposes.

And he didn't refill it as he had promised to do.

And even that I feel guilty when I say he.

He is a construct.

There is no he.

It's not Joe Biden gets down and says, well, I'm going to do this.

He sits there and the Obamas call up or Bernie Sanders or the squad and they talk to Jill or his chief of staff.

And then she says, you're going to do this.

Sign on the line.

Say this, say that.

That's who's running the country.

He's a construct.

A medicated construct.

Yes, a medicated construct.

Anyway, Victor, thanks very much for all the wisdom you shared today.

Thanks to all our listeners for doing just that listening.

And we will be back soon with another episode of the Victor Davis-Hansen Show.

Bye-bye.

Thank you, everyone, for listening.