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had a few things to say I know it's hard to talk about the Speaker of the House but it seems like they're at a really bad setback now because they don't have just one.

They have, I think, nine people that they're looking at.

How long do they think they have to find this speaker?

It's just frustrating.

They're arguing that they don't need a speaker, but it's not so much whether they need it or not, or whether the pro temp can do

what the speaker does, but it's the appearance, again, that

they have a seven to eight vote majority in half of one-third of government, and they can't even control that one-third,

and and one-half of one-third of government.

That's the perception.

So, you know, when I hear leftists, they're delighted.

So why would anybody on the conservative side be delighted when it's just enthusing the left?

I had a lot of criticism, Sammy, from my criticism of Matt Gates for blowing this all up with that

just

five, four or five percent of the Republican caucus trying to remove the Speaker, successfully, I should say, removing him, within consulting Democrats, as I said,

to help him win that majority on the premise that Kevin McCarthy had talked to

Democrats.

So it was incoherent, but people said, well, he was trying to stop the spending, and Kevin McCarthy is a swamp creature.

I understand that.

If that's true, I don't, I mean, I understand the logic of it, but

the damage that was done to the brand and the sense of chaos right now when we have a president that's utterly chaotic.

And just take everybody take a deep breath.

So who is speaking for the United States right now in

our moment of crisis?

Think about it.

Is it Joe Biden?

He's at the beach.

He's non-compos mentes.

He says one thing on Monday and the opposite Monday evening.

You know, and who's the next in command?

Camel Harris.

Enough said.

We don't need to go there.

And then we have Mitch McConnell, the leader of the Senate.

And he's had three or four, what would you call it, timeout episodes where he goes blank.

That's generous.

As if I'm doing a podcast and all of a sudden Sammy says, Victor, you haven't said anything in three minutes.

And then we have who?

We have the speaker.

Oh, no, we don't have the third most powerful person in government.

There is no speaker.

So in that void, everybody is freelancing.

So you've got Rashida Tlaib leading this,

these crazy protesters into the rotunda.

You've got Lindsey Graham threatening basically an existential war with Iran.

You've got everybody.

So somebody has to step up.

And the Republicans had a golden opportunity now to step up.

We even have Barack Obama coming out of his, I don't know which house he came out of, the Colorama mansion, the Hawaii Mansion, the Martha's Vineyard Mansion, Mansion, the Chicago Mansion.

But he came out and he kind of, same thing.

Israel has to dismantle Hamas, and they need the

wherewithal to do it.

And then now it's, oh, they're going to hurt their label for generations if they do it.

In other words, he's a sunshine friend.

That in the abstract, Israel should not have to suffer a thousand women, elderly, infants, children murdered, mutilated, and yes, beheaded.

We have a

pathologist report and a first-hand testimony that she saw beheaded corpses as well as outside observers.

It's another Palestinian Hamas-Gaza lie that there were no beheadings.

So

that's my problem.

They don't have, they're not stepping up to a golden opportunity to exercise leadership because they're all fighting with each other.

And now we're into a cycle,

to use the left's left's word of

MAGA people say he's not MAGA enough, so they're going to get a MAGA person,

and then Rhino say, or Independence.

I don't want to demonize anybody, but I don't know what they are.

Neocon, I don't know, but they're saying, well, you did it, so we're going to do it.

So we're going to stop Jim Jordan.

And back and forth and back and forth.

And you're right.

The whole time, there's a sense projected of

leaderslessness.

So, and what are they going to do anyway?

Yes, we spent $1.7 trillion we didn't have so far this year.

It's horrible.

And we're $33 trillion in debt.

But it wasn't like our guys

under George W.

Bush or under Donald Trump were physically sane.

Bush increased, almost doubled the debt.

in the for

two four-year terms and Trump almost increased it by half in his four years at the same rate.

So we could have stopped it then because in both cases, for a golden moment, we had the House and the Senate and the presidency, but we didn't do it.

So the idea you're going to shut down the whole government and discredit your label now when you really don't have the power to stop, and maybe you could, and you can't really shut down the government when we're facing two existential wars and we're needing to ramp up on our munitions and we need supplemental funding.

So yeah,

I don't know what to say.

I get all I've had a lot of criticism this week from people.

One person wrote and said, well, you forecast that the 2022 elections all along.

I said they would take the House.

I said they would have a righteous big win, but I didn't know that Roe versus Wade was going to happen right when I did.

Somebody said, you were wrong, you're wrong.

You also predicted Donald Trump.

And maybe you could tell me, Sammy, did I predict that Donald Trump could not win?

I don't think I did.

I said I didn't know if he could get the nomination

because I don't know, I haven't had a theory yet on how he's going to avoid a house arrest, gag order,

imprisonment, all these terrible things.

I've been consistent.

It's terrible.

It's just a misuse

of the law to demonize and emasculate.

the likely Republican nominee.

Okay, I get that.

But if somebody out there says, well, that's stupid, Victor, he's just going to campaign.

And I said,

well, we'll see, because he hasn't faced the judges and the juries and the prosecutors in these formal trials.

And believe me, I know the left, that's what they're going to do.

My consistent theme is get a policy, get legal experts right now working on the constitutionality of running for president when you're a felon or you're convicted or you have a travel ban.

Do people don't think that the judge and the Letita James or the Alvin Bragg or the Fannie Willis or the Jack Smith,

all partisans, all with partisan prosecutors, won't, at the key moment of the campaign say, Donald Trump is under house arrest for violating the conditions of dad, fill in the blanks, gag order, or we're going to put a travel restriction on him so he can't campaign.

And he's going to do what, do a Biden campaign out of the basement?

From where?

The jail?

So I'm not saying these things are going to happen, but I wish that people would start having task forces.

And when nobody's writing about it, nobody's talking about it.

We need to get a lot of conservative experts in the Constitution and

jurisprudence precedents and say, this is what can happen.

This is what he can do and what can't do.

Yeah, yeah, it certainly would be.

Because they're trying to just...

They're going to wait till he's nominated and then they're going to unload with trial after trial after trial.

Yeah, and it'll be an unloading that we've never seen before in the campaign.

Nobody thought anybody would dare do this to try to take out the leading nominee of the out party.

Nobody ever thought they would do that.

And for things like overvaluing a real estate asset,

as if Mari Laugh was only worth, what, 17 million?

Is that what they said at all?

At one point they did.

Well, I was wondering then, too, before we go to break, your thoughts on - I know that you and Jack talked a lot about the universities and the anti-Semitism, et cetera, but the Biden administration seems to be out and worried about Islamophobia and hate crimes against Muslims.

And I was wondering if you had any thoughts on those.

They have no data for that.

The FBI I've been reading the FBI data tables of all the groups that are victims of hate crimes, and that's hard to know because not all groups are

ready to go report things.

But the two groups that are disproportionately number one and two are Asians and Jews, I think Muslims are number 15.

And the most overrepresented perpetrators are African Americans.

So nobody talks about hate crimes.

So then Corrine

Jean-Pierre just mouths off and said there's Islamophobia, but she has one knucklehead, insane guy that shot, terribly, shot a young Muslim boy.

But we don't know who this, the rabbi, what were the circumstances of her murder in Detroit.

We have anybody who looks at the news right now, sees, and go to a campus and ask yourself, go to Stanford where I work, go to Harvard, go to and ask themselves, if you were an Arab student, do you feel in danger at Stanford or if you're a Jewish student?

Are Jewish professors doing this?

And there's a lot of Jewish professors at Stanford.

Are they saying, all my Arab students, put your belongings down and go over to the other side of the...

Are they saying Palestine shall be into dust, a banner, as happened at Stanford?

I don't think so.

I don't think there's a,

you know, six, seven hundred Jewish students occupying

the...

free speech area with saying the Palestinians should be exterminated because that's really what from the river to the sea is

the extermination of Israel.

So that's just boilerplate rhetoric.

Yeah, sure.

And we saw it after 9-11.

And

it's also an indication of ignorance because did you see that MSNBC map that they showed on television?

And it had the Israeli cities.

I mean, Tel Aviv was up at the Golden Heights, and Citero was inside the West Bank.

I mean, only a functional literate

could do that, and then nobody caught it.

And these were all, the people in that media sphere are all graduates of supposed Tony University.

So they're not only arrogant, they're ignorant.

I wrote a column on American Greatness today about it.

I listed all the incidents of just pure, unadulterated hatred toward Jews.

I mean, I'm talking about a person in the Art Institute calling them pigs and excretement.

I'm talking about a trans-African-American professor saying that he wants to follow their children and, you know, follow them, i.e., euphemism, forget them.

You've got

there's example after example, and then when you look at the demonstrations and you look at all these young, wealthy kids, and they're all out talking about Hamas, for Hamas,

for

the

radical Gazan position.

And the thing that was weird about it was that was before Israel retaliated.

It was right after the murders.

They were out on the street.

So I was thinking, well, what if Israel didn't do anything?

You're still protesting?

This thing has been so bizarre when you have, as I said earlier, when you had the president saying the problem was they couldn't shoot straight, meaning you could shoot at the Israelis.

If you're Islamic Jihad and you hit that city and killed them, we wouldn't have had a problem with all these protests.

Or you had Anthony Blinken saying,

in the Middle East, our embassies might want to consider lowering their flags to half-masked in sympathy with the hospital fake news story.

It's just surreal.

And then you hear this president saying, don't.

They always have this rhetoric.

The louder and more frequently they threaten, the less likelihood they're going to do anything.

And so he says, don't.

Don't dare.

Well,

even our Secretary of Defense Austin was, he looked traumatized.

He said, well, you know, we're in a high state of, we've had five, they're attacking all the time in Iraq, American installations.

The American ship just shot down drones and missiles going overhead.

So

the more you talk and carry a twig, the more likely you're going to have war.

And when Barack Obama tells Israel not to retaliate, that is an invitation for Hezbollah and Iran to intervene.

If they think

that after suffering the greatest loss of Jewish civilians since the Holocaust in one day,

that Israel, even then,

without provocation, still is afraid to go in and get Hamas, then we better get in because why the getting's good because this generation is not going to do anything.

So it's completely counter-intuitive.

So I'm getting really tired of these people talking loudly and constantly with a twig instead of quietly and seldomly with a club.

All they need to be is

strategically

ambiguous.

You know, just say,

you've got to make your own decisions and we're going to make ours and you do your worst and we'll do our best and we'll see what happens.

End of story.

And then mass a huge force right off their coast.

And deterrence, remember, comes from a Latin word de terio, to terrify someone from something.

And it's Vegetus, the Roman writer on military affairs, said, if you want peace, prepare for war.

That was the classic formulation of deterrence.

And deterrence is obtained through a variety of economic dynamism.

Japan has a certain level of deterrence by its economy, so does Germany.

by military power,

by political, astute political leadership, by unity at home, because I do think that the big fight over the Supreme Court and the left's huge demonstrations gave the wrong

signals to Hamas,

and a secure and sovereign border.

But we flunk on every one of those items.

Bad economy, bad border, high crime, a population and civil tension.

and a military short on recruitment, a military with an awoke agenda, agenda, a military humiliated in Afghanistan.

A Chinese balloon goes with impunity across our military installations.

And we're giving money,

we're apparently giving money, $6 billion to Iran.

It's prompting attacks on our forces in Iraq.

We're giving $100 million only because a rocket, as Joe Biden said, fell short and was blamed on the Israelis.

We gave them $700 million.

So

we have lost deterrence, and when you lose it, it's very easy to lose, but it's very, very hard to recapture.

We had lost it after Obama, and Donald Trump

regained it by killing Soleimani and saying, go ahead and do it, see what you do, by facing down Kim

Jong-un.

by bombing the SHIT, as he described it, of ISIS and destroying them without any hesitation, dropping anything he could,

with telling the Taliban, if you continue to do this, we're going to bomb you back to the Stone Age.

And we were pretty much on a formula to get out peacefully, steadily, out of that hellhole with Bagram Air Force Base in our possession.

And that was a deterrent situation.

And remember about deterrence, being predictable and accommodating and magnanimous is a formula for a war.

And being unpredictable and somewhat erratic at predetermined times is a formula for peace, if you back it up on occasion.

And so

we'll see.

Well, let's go ahead and take a break, and then we'll come back and talk a little bit about Iran and Hamas.

Stay with us, and we'll be back.

Welcome back, back, Victor.

So I wanted to, the administration seems to be all over the place with

stating that

they have Israel's back and then pressure on Israel not to

use restraint, money to Hamas, billions to Iran, and then just recently John Kirby, after all of these billions to Iran, said that

we are not going to allow any threat to our interests in the region region to go unchallenged.

And he was referring to Iran as though now he's a tough guy.

And I was wondering if you could sort of clarify what you think this administration is trying to do, confuse people or what?

This administration doesn't understand human nature.

If you put 20 to 30 billion dollars in assets and say 20,000 sailors right at the point of the spear and then you continue to warn and threaten people, and you have no record, this administration, of competence, much less following your threats with real muscular action, then you're putting a lot of people in harm's way.

Because it gets back to that statement that Joe Biden said about the predicted invasion of Ukraine by Putin, which is emblematic of the entire administration.

Remember, they said, what would you do if Putin invaded Ukraine?

Remember what he said, Sammy?

It depends on whether it's a major or minor invasion.

And that set the tone.

So is he going to say, what are you going to do if they hit a ship?

Is it depends on if it's a major or minor explosion?

And so the thing about, again,

as I mentioned, this very brilliant scholar from Australia, Blaney, and he pointed out that wars break out when people have forgotten the relative power.

of the respective belligerents.

We have more power than everybody in that Middle East plus China plus Russia put together.

At this point, we are in clear decline.

But even in our Nadir, we have more power.

But if they don't think we do,

then you have to have a war to determine who really did have the power.

And when you, in World War II, when Hitler convinced himself

that Britain was weak because they were desperate for peace and Chamberlain was giving almost an entire country of Czechoslovakia over to him.

He didn't understand they were also creating 425 Spitfires a month and they had the best pilots in the world and it would be very hard to invade ever Britain when Britain still had the largest navy in the world.

But that was not conveyed to him.

And so,

going back to 1935 when Mussolini was going into East Africa, the British could have shut down the Suez Canal in two seconds and they could have blown those new Italian battleships out of the water.

No problem.

They didn't even have night vision capability, the Italians, and they didn't do it.

They just let them go.

And so that's what causes wars.

And it's very hard for humans, I guess, to accept that.

It's kind of like your parent, you know, when you're a kid and you stick your tongue out at your mom and dad, and the more you do it, you think the more you can do it.

And then you get really, you think, and the parent that lets you do that thinks you're going to like them more, but actually the person who disciplines you, you tend to respect and finally indeed like.

People in the Middle East are terrified in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt.

They're terrified of us.

because they're terrified of Hamas and they're terrified of Iran and they're terrified of Hezbollah,

but they're terrified that they will say something negative about them and the United States will not back them up.

And then they're going to be out on a limb and we're going to saw it off.

And that's the problem.

And, you know,

when

Mattis was Secretary of Defense and McMaster was National Security Advisor and Trump was president, they had a huge armada that just sailed right through the Straits of Hormuz.

And when they started, I can remember when they did it, I think it was during the Trump administration, the first year.

But the more that you did that, the more chips that wanted to join.

Can you let us get in on

the parade?

But when you don't do anything, then war is likely.

So I'm very worried.

One last thing, you mentioned Hamas.

This isn't really a war, everybody.

In a war, in the Yom Kippur War, remember, there was a surprise attack by the Syrian military, the Egyptian military.

This was not a military.

This was 1,500 to 2,500 gunmen who went into a nation at peace in the morning during a holiday when many were at festivities and butchered them.

And they butchered them intentionally.

Remember that.

They mutilated them.

They raped them.

They dissected them.

They beheaded them.

They burned them.

And they wanted to convey a message.

They wanted to convey a message that we're nuttier than you are, of course, and we're capable of everything to terrify Israel.

But they also wanted to say, see, we're subhuman, and you made us do it.

And that's such a bogus argument.

It's almost as if the mafia says we put people in cement and dropped them in the ocean to show you what you people did when you were anti-Italian.

Or the cartels behead people.

We and the cartels were, yes, we're subhuman, We behead people, but we put our heads on the heads over an overpass for display, but it's because of the corrupt Mexican government that did that to us.

Well,

that's the argument they're using.

So the more that it appeals, the more they're going to do it.

And they're kind of like, I don't know,

they're not the Waffen-SS, which was a military formation, the Totenkopf group and those people, but they are SS, or they're Einsengruppen, they're Ersatzgruppen,

mobile death squads.

I guess that translates out of German.

And

they're hitmen.

And

in most militaries, the civilian overseers

were, you know, I didn't see General Austin in a uniform.

He's retired.

I didn't see...

Joe Biden, the commander-in-chief, in a uniform.

I do see American soldiers, but Hamas were wearing sneakers.

They were wearing, some had camouflage, some had Levi's.

They don't wear uniforms, they're killers.

But to show that

they're tough, every once in a while one of these guys in gutter or on the news has a uniform when he's safely away and he's never going to hit an idea.

Another thing to remember is

they don't have a concept of collateral damage.

Collateral damage means how could you when your entire intent is to kill civilians?

You want collateral damage.

It's not collateral then.

That is your main tactic.

Collateral damage is when, collaterally, by accident, you bump into the IDF and you kill one person.

And that's collateral for them.

But they don't have a concept of that.

They put

Gazans around hospitals, schools, mosques, pack them in there, and then they shoot rockets.

So they use humans to protect rockets, to kill civilians.

And some of you are going to say, well, why do they do that?

They do that because,

as the world says that Israel is indiscriminately butchering people, President Obama,

Hamas doesn't believe that's true because they think their shields are actually working in their favor.

They allow these launches to be successful in doing what?

killing civilians.

So you might ask Hamas, well, why don't the Israelis do it then?

Why don't they put a bunch of Jewish kids,

I don't know,

around a battery that's shooting rockets into Gaza?

Well, they don't do it because they're humane, but

one of the reasons is that that would attract a Hamas to kill them.

You couldn't shield them because Hamas doesn't value any life.

So here we sit in this Orwellian world damning Israel, but we all know in our black hearts, our evil hearts, what the asymmetry is.

One side uses civilians to shield rockets, the other side uses rockets to shield their citizens.

It's very different.

One side kills out of uniform, the other side kills selectively the people who kill out of uniform.

And as far as the collateral damage, Obama, first of all, we don't even know that we're supposed to believe every single figure that comes out of Hamas.

Ask yourself, if you are a MSNBC reporter or you're a CNN reporter with a demonstrable bias of Israel and you go into Tel Aviv, you can go into Tel Aviv.

Do you really think that any of us in this audience could get a press credential or Fox News and go into Gaza and deal with Hamas and say, you know, Mr.

Hamas, you are exaggerating.

We want to see the data of all the dead that you claim.

Because you said that 500 people were incinerated in a hospital, and I just got back, and I discovered that the hospital wasn't even incinerated, and that most there might have been anywhere from 50 to 200 in the parking lot.

And the shrapnel cases were all, and the video cases were all, and the intercepted communications were all proof.

that Islamic jihad did.

So I can't believe you on these figures.

They would shoot you.

They would shoot you.

But Barack Obama believes literally.

And so

it's so asymmetrical.

It really is.

It's really, it's kind of a commentary on this Western disease of these sick people.

They're very sick, and they're anti-Semitic, yes, but they're even sicker.

And they have a self-loathing of their own culture and civilization.

It's nihilist.

And they kind of like people that are nihilist.

That's the ultimate expression of Western nihilism, Hamas.

And they will excuse it.

Remember, they did not

wait until Israel responded before they started cheering on Hamas' death squads.

They did it before Israel responded.

And had Israel never sent one bomb into Gaza, they would have been delighted, and they would be doing it today, just as they are now.

Sure, they would be out celebrating.

That's what was so strange on October 8th is they started saying, there's protesters out in the street and they're Palestinians.

And I thought, how could they protest something

if they're on the side of Palestinians here?

Because there's nothing to protest.

And yet, you know, it seemed to me it was more of a celebration than a protest.

Who didn't protest?

Very few Arab citizens, the 20% of the Israeli population didn't protest.

What were they going to say?

Well, I'm an Israeli and I

Arab Muslim, and I didn't know that I was a colonial subject until that student, 22 years old at Harvard, enlightened me that I'm really a colonial, and I can't, wait, I can vote,

but I can run for office, but I'm a member of

a political party, but I'm a severe critic of the Netanyahu government.

But I make more in one day than somebody in the West Bank, or Jordan, or Syria, or Iraq makes in a week.

And I have free speech, and I can worship as I please, and I can say anything I want about Christianity, Judaism, or Islam in Israel.

You think those people are going to go and say, please give me my wish to go back to Gaza or go into West Bank?

They're not going to do it.

And yet we're told they're colonial subjects.

And it's just, it's,

I don't know, it's frightening.

Here's an autopsy, and then it's also so surreal.

Have you, has anybody in the audience ever heard that at a time of war

that the world pressures the party that was attacked to worry about the effect of its response on the population of the country it's retaliating to, such as

Barack Obama is very worried, but

when they killed people from the Pakistan border in Afghanistan, our people, remember Obama even at the White House correspondence dinner

joked about the predators?

Somebody dates my daughter, watch out, predator.

And then John Brennan lied about collateral damage because they knew they were.

That whole predator targeted assassination was based on the premise that if you saw one terrorist driving somewhere in the Hindu Kush or on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, you took him out with a predator missile and you killed a lot of people in the car, just like we did in anger about the suicide bombing in Kabul and we blew up 13 civilians.

Okay, that happens.

But

did anybody say to Barack Obama, well, I'm very worried about the effect of the United States military's on the population of Afghanistan?

No.

I'm very worried about the people of Dresden and Hamburg about the bombing.

I think it's outrageous that we bomb Japan.

We have to go immediately give food and water.

We do that that after the war, and we're magnanimous.

But during the war, no.

Did anybody,

Sammy, maybe you can correct me?

Did anybody say,

I just,

you know, I just don't, not in my name am I going to give any more HIMARS or missiles or 155 millimeter artillery shells to lob into the Donbass-occupied region of Crimea because you're hitting civilians, you Ukrainians.

So when you strike back at these Russian aggressors, I understand you have a right to protect yourself and a responsibility.

But when you hit back at them, I want leaflets and I want phone calls into the apartment buildings and the surrounding infrastructure.

Nobody says that.

It's only the Jews.

Yeah, and they're really good about that.

That's the weird thing.

You know, and warning people to get the civilian.

Another thing people don't understand.

So, Israel says they've taken out, what, 250 leaders of Hamas and they've arrested thousands.

They've arrested a lot in the West Bank.

Now, how do they know that?

Who's Hamas?

And how do they know exactly where they take out Hamas in Gaza?

It's because people are calling them up, and they have been for years.

And the people are calling them up because they don't want to be a shield.

So if you're sitting in Gaza and you haven't done anything, and you're kind of angry that they've taken your farm for a rocket pad, and they went in and butchered everybody in in your name, and you had a job in Israel, and all of a sudden they're coming to your door and saying, You're going to move into the basement of this mosque.

Maybe you get on your cell phone and say to the IDF, this is the Hamas guy's name, here's where he lives.

So, that's how they're getting their intelligence.

Yeah.

Well, Victor, let's go ahead and take another break, and then we'll come back and talk a little bit about

the Jews and the Democratic Party.

Stay with us and we'll be right back.

We're back.

Victor,

I noticed a lot of discussion on the question of whether,

given all this anti-Semitism on the part of people who are in the Democratic Party, what will the Jewish position be in the long run?

And I've seen some historical development of it.

And recently David Mamet wrote a column where he was looking at the historical

sort of actions of Jews when faced with hostile anti-Semitic leadership or populations.

And he said that he basically made the point in all of these historical cases where he said they turned to the leadership and expected to be able to appeal to its humanity.

And they ended up very disappointed in that.

And he concludes, and it was really a nice conclusion at this point in his article.

He said,

these appeals in the name of humanity to powers which may believe in humanity, but unfortunately do not consider Jews human.

And I thought that was a powerful moment.

Well, he's just quoting what,

he's just quoting what out of the Arab press.

They're pigs.

Or I shouldn't say the Arab press alone.

He's just reporting what a professor at the Art Institute of Chicago said.

Said that they were excretement and pigs.

So, yeah, but what he's trying to, and I've had dinner with David.

I really like him.

He's a really brilliant guy.

And what he's telling us is

that

there's no way that you can appeal to these people rationally because they have a deep-seated hatred.

And the Democratic Party,

remember what the Democratic left does?

It projects

anything that it is culpable of, ballot tampering, it projects.

It can go out 120 days and riot and burn courthouses and police precincts and kill 35 people, $2 billion worth of damage, injure, and they will project that that's that the January 6th is a full-fledged, pre-planned insurrection, but not them.

And so

what they're doing when they say MAGA has hijacked the Republican Party is that we've hijacked

the Democratic Party, and that's what they've done.

And

the people that run

the Democratic Party are the Obamas

and

Jill, Jill, she's the conduit that tells Joe where to walk, where to sit down, what to think, who to appoint, based on the prompt of the Obamas, Elizabeth Warren Wing, Bernie Sanders,

and the squad,

and to a lesser extent, the BLM, Black Caucus, and the marginalized people, DEI industry.

And they all have one thing in common.

They do not like Israel.

And they say they don't like Israel because that's a euphemism for Jews.

They don't like Jews.

And they consider Jews white, wealthy, capitalist, and they're binary.

They're the oppressors and the victimizers.

And they don't consider the Holocaust.

They don't consider anti-Semitism.

They don't consider any of that.

And they hate Israel, and they don't like Jews.

I should say hate, but I'm not going to be inflammatory.

And if you're, and traditionally, 90% of the Jewish community is supported the Democratic Party, generation over generation over generation.

Norman Podhorus wrote a brilliant essay once why that was.

David Mammond has also added to that argument.

And it's very hard to break that fealty.

And I'm not sure they're going to do it because

the Democratic Party, look what Gavin Newsom is doing right now.

This is one of the most anti-Semitic states, California, where I'm sitting of all the states in the United States, the most far-left.

Its universities have the most radical Palestinian Hamas supporters.

As I said,

where I work, and

we had a professor that tried to create an apartheid situation against Jews in his own class.

Jewish enrollment at Stanford, at Harvard, at Yale is at an all-time low.

One of the things, when you went to what I would call repertory admissions, that is that so-called whites are only represented at 20 to 30 percent of the new incoming class,

even though they consist of 67 to 70 percent, they they target Jews in that fashion, along with Asians.

And so

Gavin Newsom,

he went to Israel.

And what he's basically, and then he's in China talking about green.

And so what he's doing is he's trying to run for president and he wants to shore up Jewish Democratic left-wing financial and media support.

And he wouldn't do it if he didn't think he could do it, right?

And so

that's a problem.

And until Jewish

donors to universities or players in the Jewish community say, these people hate us, and they've taken over this party, and they are cheering the deaths of our relatives, our friends in Israel, because they're Jewish,

and they only come and talk to us.

in times of elections when they want something and I can't do this anymore.

And we'll see if that happens.

I'm skeptical.

It's kind of like the Hispanic community.

For generation after generation, they felt we're poor.

We came from a poor, impoverished Mexico.

The Democratic Party was for amnesty.

They were for open borders.

They were for generous welfare.

And so we're part of them.

And then you say to them, but wait a minute.

They hate organized religion.

They've watered down Catholicism.

They're for abortion on demand.

And

they are the drivers of this trans thing.

They want to take away your pickup.

They want to charge you six bucks for gasoline.

And what do you have in common with all that?

And they'll say, because I live in a community that's mostly Mexican-American, they'll say nothing.

But

I can't vote against my mom and my dad.

It's kind of like me.

I grew up in a Democratic household, albeit a conservative Democrat, Harry Truman,

JFK household.

But my whole family are still Democrats, my siblings, everybody.

And they can't and for me, it was a no-brainer.

Once I saw Jimmy Carter, I can remember saying to my mom,

I might vote for a third-party John Anderson, but I will not vote for that guy.

He's dangerous.

She said, but he's a Democrat.

And I said, yeah, mom, but he's dangerous.

She said, well, you have a point.

Go ahead.

You have free will.

So, but everybody gets wedded to these, they get in these ruts, and it's very hard.

And I think the Jewish community is going to have to break out before these people are dangerous.

If you give them power,

and if you give the Democratic left power like they have and they perpetuate it, Israel is going to cease to exist one way or the other because they are giving Iran basically billions of dollars to get nuclear weapons.

And they have said that they are perfectly willing to use them if it results in the elimination of the Jewish state and they lose half of the Iranian people.

They don't care.

Yeah.

All the better to go up to paradise.

So

these people are very dangerous.

And if the left has its way, there won't be a Jewish student in a university, a traditional elite university.

It'll be right back to the 1930s when they're saying, we don't want Jews at Harvard.

And it's already that way.

I think in some ways it's much more overt.

I don't remember,

you know, I don't remember growing up in the 50s and 60s with this overt anti-Semitism, maybe a little bit with a crazy Nazi right,

but I don't.

Remember people on campus saying basically to destroy Israel and cheering on death squads.

It's really weird.

That's what they are.

It's so weird.

The left has all these movies about death squads in Latin America, death squads in Asia, and mass murderers, and dictators with sunglasses and

epaulets as mean, right?

And then they have a real

perfect example of death squads right on TV, and they have videos of it.

And these death squads out death squad any other.

They were right down there with the Houthi.

They were no different than the Houthis.

They loved to dismember and kill and torture, and yet it doesn't matter.

They're going to root them on.

Yeah, and so

I was reading one article about that they were arguing, and I think it was Politico, that the Jewish constituency is still going to remain democratic like it did in 1968.

Do you think that that's true, or do you think we have different conditions this time?

Well, we already have had defections.

It used to be 90, 10 and now it's 70, 30.

But what's worrisome is that

in about 10 years, the Arab Muslim community is going to be larger than the Jewish community.

And you can already see when Joe Biden

says he's a Zionist

and then he says Israel's got to take dismantle Hamas and then he's he's doing everything he can to stop it and he's giving a hundred million, it's basically a hundred million to Hamas, and he's afraid of cutting off Iran.

He's basically saying, I'm looking at Michigan, and if I'm the nominee, it's going to be a tight election.

And

that state is within a hundred, it's 50,000 this way, 30,000 this way, 10,000, who knows?

And the Dearborn

Greater Detroit area is what I need.

And he also, there's another thing that we don't talk about.

It's very controversial, Sammy.

I want to be very careful about what I say, but

there is something really wrong in the African-American leadership.

If you look at the

signees of the petition not to give Israel any foreign aid,

the black caucus was way overrepresented.

In other words, cutting off Israel.

If you look at the BLM posters of the glider, glorifying in a glider, killing innocent people, that came from BLM.

If you look at the posters that are at these

marches and demonstrations, it comes from, a lot of them represent the BLM.

If you look at what

the three architects of BLM, the founders, those three women, have said in the past about Jews,

it's pretty scary what they've said.

If you look at what David...

Dave Chappelle said the other day in his comedy routine.

He said, I had this dream where a bunch of aliens were actually used to live here, and then they went away to another planet, and then they came back and claimed Earth.

Well, what do you call them?

Space Jews.

And I thought, wow, people walked out at that.

Yeah, they should have.

And the reason that it's scary is because they feel as a quote-unquote member of the intersectional DEI community, they get a pass or they get exemptions.

And that is something that goes way back in the African-American community,

and it's very inexplicable because Jews were vastly overrepresented as freedom riders in the 60s civil rights movements.

They went down and faced racism against blacks, and they faced it down.

They helped.

They were

called, you know, they endured anti-Semitic violence when they tried

to hasten along the civil rights movement in the South.

And yet, I can tell you that that intersectional DEI community, even La Raza, if you go back and look at the literature of La Raza, it's very pro-radical Palestinian and very anti-Jewish.

And that's something that the Jewish community is going to have to very dispassionately look at.

But this whole idea of intersectionality, the updated of Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, Linda Sassur and her marches, there's a really strong element of anti-Semitism.

And I don't know whether it comes from

just envy because of the success of Jews or they feel that Jews are white, so therefore they're open season.

I don't know.

But it's something that no one will talk about.

And yet,

and you can see it with the hate crime statistics.

If I asked the audience, do you think that Jewish people

disproportionately attack African Americans or African Americans attack Jewish people?

End of conversation.

Everybody knows the answer.

Nobody wants to talk about it.

Yeah.

Just a fact.

And what do you do with it?

You can't talk about these things, but we're going to talk about, we can talk about anything here until I'm fired and impoverished.

And

I am getting a lot of criticism.

I understand that from letters and comments.

But

you know what I noticed is that.

My farm is paid for, so

I have lived on $6,000 a year, so with three kids, so I can grow my own food.

I did that for six or seven years, and I wore clothes that were hand-me-downs.

I bought it Salvation Army, etc.

Well,

hopefully, not to start a whole nother long conversation because we are at the end, but I think that what these people that you've mentioned,

whether it's BLM or the Hispanic La Raza movement,

they see the West as the evil and Israel as part of the West because it is a very Western state that is very successful in a place that doesn't have Western states.

And so they would say that their support of anybody who's against Israel is for that reason.

And

I don't know what you would say to that.

Well, it's cultural Marxism.

What they did is they took the old Marxist binary of class struggle where there is no middle class and they're dialectic.

That's just bourgeoisie, clueless idiots.

But there are capitalist oppressors and the proletariat oppressed, and they superimpose that onto race and culture, Gramsci and all those people.

So the idea is the United States, all

the West has to be identified now, not so much in class, because we're the most affluent society in the history of civilization, and today's poor person lives in a much more

sophisticated, comfortable lifestyle than Queen Victoria did.

But my point is that under that binary, they've substituted race.

And anybody, no matter what their class status, who is not considered white is an evil person who's a subject of colonialization and the colonialist, imperialist, white, racist.

And they have to fit every single person in there.

And then everybody has to make

the adjustments for that reality.

Therefore, in reference to the pod we had with Jack when I was staying, I was just shocked at all of the students I took that were assimilationist, integrationist, that never really talked about their particular ethnic fides or race.

Suddenly, when this dialectic came, they found that it was much more advantageous to be a victim than a victimizer.

So they started to get into the DEI and their careers reflected reflected that wise move.

And so

that's what's happened.

And

so you think they

literally then think of racial differences, and so they see Jews as whites.

Yes, absolutely.

Not the cultural evaluation that because they'll make the cultural evaluation that it's Western culture and it's oppressive culture.

And is that just a cover for their baser human nature that is essentially racist?

Human nature,

we're instinctual people, and civilization and culture try to attenuate those deep-seated feelings.

But when you peel the veneer off,

as the historian Thucydides said, it's not pretty.

And so when you're peeling off Western civilization, whether it's the homelessness or smash and grab or the Soros DAs or the border, you're seeing human nature in the raw.

And

once you put red meat out there and you say, you know what?

You can have a separate graduation by race.

You can have a segregated dorm, but we'll call it a theme house.

You can have a segregated place on campus for your race only.

We'll call it a multicultural center.

You're going to have a

racially segregated event.

We're going to call it celebrating diversity.

You're going to stop anybody objecting because you're going to call it hate speech, disinformation.

Once you go down that, that's a powerful incentive for people to come into the fray and make the necessary adjustments and pick sides.

And they feel that there is no downside in calling somebody a pig, a Jew, or white rage, white supremacy, white white.

There's no downside.

And so people are doing that with increased...

increasing boldness.

If you said David, Dave Chappelle five years ago, he was apolitical.

He would have never said space Jews.

He didn't think like that.

All these people are coming out of the woodwork because they feel that it's now okay to do it.

And this is very dangerous because this is exactly the phenomenon that we saw in the 30s in Germany.

It started very slowly, incrementally, and then bang.

This is what you saw.

with the Rwanda propaganda.

This is what you saw in Yugoslavia with Milosevic.

And it starts, starts, starts, and then everybody wants to get in it for perceived advantage or from,

you know, terror or whatever.

Tribalism is like proliferation.

I keep saying that.

Once a country goes nuclear, the next country will.

And so once a group goes tribal, the other people will try and find tribal solidarity.

The story of civilization is telling somebody you're not going to have your first allegiance to someone who looks like you.

That your race and your ethnic background is incidental.

It's not essential to who you are.

And de-civilization

is just the opposite.

And that's what we are doing.

We are de-civilizing the United States and the West.

And we're bringing, I mean, don't listen to Victor out here ranning from Salma, California.

Listen to the Chancellor of

Germany, Mr.

Schultz, in a Der Spiegel interview, very left-wing magazine.

He said, they asked him,

What do you make of 100,000 people shouting for the death of Israel?

And he said, Of all places in the world, this cannot be in Germany.

Cannot be in Germany.

To his credit, he said that.

And then they said, What can you do?

They're here.

And he said, It doesn't mean they're always going to be here.

We have the right to deport anybody who came here under illegal auspices or does not follow the laws of Germany.

And

the way to stop all this is to have deterrence.

And so if you get a Republican president and he has the House and the Senate and the first thing he does is say, we're going to build a wall all the way.

And the next thing we're going to address the 8 million people, first of all, anybody here illegally right now who's committed a felony, you're gone.

Second of all.

Right now, anybody who's on public assistance and has not worked and is here illegally, you're gone.

Next, anybody who has failed to show up up for their immigration hearing, you're gone.

That would set a powerful example of deterrence, and people would not come anymore if you deported five or six million people.

Because they've only been here a few months or a year.

They have no right to be in the United States.

That would just change the whole atmosphere and landscape.

And it can be done.

And so you could stop all of this madness.

If you just said, if just

a Republican president said this,

Harvard, you don't need $60 billion.

It's a free country, more power to you, but you're not a non-profit, disinterested, nonpartisan institution.

You're a mover and driver of anti-Semitism.

Same as Stanford, same as...

And you know what we're going to do?

We're going to tax your endowment.

And you're not going to get $6 billion

tax-free a year while poor Mr.

Smith is out there in Bakersfield working all day and paying half his income in income tax.

We're not going to do that.

Not why you subsidize this insanity.

And then if you said, you know what,

you can do whatever you want with your loans, more power to you, get your students, but you have the moral hazard.

We're going to redefine it.

So if you want people to come who can't pay for your exorbitant and overpriced tuition, then you take that endowment and you loan the money to them.

And we have a trillion dollars aggregate in student debt.

It's all backed by the federal government, which means 30% is defaulted, and the rate of tuition goes up higher than the rate of inflation because they know the government will step in.

And the average graduation for 50% is not four years, but seven.

And so we're perpetuating prolonged adolescence, and we can see what that prolonged adolescence is.

It's not just some guy staying in the basement, ordering pizza, playing video games at his mother's house when he's 30.

It's somebody in the streets of Brooklyn.

It's somebody at the university campus shouting this hatred and being indoctrinated by this people.

So I've come 180 degrees.

I grew up in a family that my grandparents had never gone to college, and they mortgaged this farm to send three girls.

One was so terribly crippled by polio, she had to go to a hand industrial arts program at San Jose State, but the other two went to Stanford undergraduate and got undergraduate degrees and double degrees from the University of Pacific as well,

and then graduate degrees.

And

that's what I was told: the whole thing.

You may be farming, you may be out in the middle of nowhere, but you're going to read, read, read, you're going to go to a university and you're going to be upwardly mobile and educated and enlightened and not biased and you're going to be inductive.

And I did.

I think I learned that.

Even at UC Santa Cruz in the 60s, in the 70s,

I had hard left

hot-smoking professors, and I don't remember any of them saying, you can't say that.

I can't remember any of them following around saying you're a right-wing nut.

Not one of them.

And so

I've really come full circle.

I just don't believe that it's in the interest of the United States to send half our population and incur $1.7 trillion in debt to be indoctrinated.

No.

And

I had a real wonderful year here with, I had two really good friends, Armando and Juan.

They came here.

They were the best electricians you could imagine.

I had a group of guys that were geniuses in putting in a septic system.

I had a friend, Simon Siota, who came out and they drilled a well not too long.

They were past masters at it.

I have another friend, Chad, who did roofing.

Man,

I just spent yesterday up at my house with two Mexican-American guys that were fixing an Eve and I was with them.

They were experts.

They all had one thing in common, most of them.

They didn't go to get a bachelor's degree.

And yet I don't see any difference about their civic participation.

They read,

they're knowledgeable.

And

when I look at the kids at universities where I speak sometimes, I'm just, they don't know anything.

I mean that.

So when I saw that map from MSNBC and it had Tel Aviv and the Golden Heights, I thought,

well,

they're pretty smart.

They got the right, no, well, they have half some of the cities in the West Bank, but they got the general area.

I think if you took a Stanford or Princeton student and you gave them a map of the Middle East and you had to fill in the country, not one of them could do it.

Not very many of them could.

Oh, absolutely.

Well, Victor, we're at the end of our podcast here.

I just wanted to ask you one thing, and if it can be short.

I know that you were telling me you've been recently having nightmares or maybe just fear, daymares about Joe Biden getting

ill, dead, and then Kamala Harris taking over and all of these troubles in the world.

And I was wondering what your thoughts on that were.

Well,

when Joe Biden speaks and goes abroad, whether it's the Mexican president helping them up or the Japanese prime minister showing him where to go or Prince Charles turning him around,

there's the premise that at one time he knew what he was doing.

So he's suffering from a physical and mental ailment.

Yes.

And then in that void, he's bringing in advisors from the hard left that have hijacked the president.

I shouldn't say hijacked, it was predetermined.

He was the facade that allowed the Obamas and their people to get back in power.

Okay.

But

he had the excuse that he's demented.

Yeah.

But you put Kamala Harris out there.

You think she'll be different?

She'll just be their toady as well, don't you think?

Yes, but she will say things.

Can you imagine her right now?

Here's Kamala Harris.

She's on television and are having a press conference.

And unlike Joe Biden, she's got a lot of energy.

So she won't be in her basement.

She'll be ubiquitous.

She'll be everywhere.

And she will say, Well,

have you delayed the Israeli response?

And she'll say,

Well, I have a Venn diagram here of Israel, and

I have Hamas here, and I have Hus there, and I just love

Venn diagrams.

And in the middle,

it's just a Venn diagram.

It's so funny.

And then we've got the electric buses we're giving to Israel.

And you know what?

We're going to give them, we're going to give them climate change solar panels too.

And we're going to set up a plant in Gaza.

That's what you're going to get.

And I would prefer dementia to that.

And so I have that nightmare

that she's going to be president.

And I don't think it's a nightmare because I've suggested there's a 50-50 chance he's not going to fill out his term.

Because I only say that empirically when I see them walking or talking, I immediately say to myself,

compare that to the decline of you, I'm 70, or your uncle or aunt or grandparent, people you remember.

And once that starts, it's geometric.

It's not arithmetic.

It's just steady.

And it's not reversible, sadly.

And you put the stress of a presidency and the physicality that's demanded, and

he's really failing.

So I don't really see a year from now how he's going to be functional.

And

my worry is this, that

if he doesn't make it to the end of his term, then she's going to be president.

She's going to be an incumbent.

I mean, there's a sick part of me that is going to be amused with their dilemma because the backroom Democrats are going to have to get rid of her.

And the only way they can do it is to have an open primary and say we want incumbent President Harris to be re-elected and then make sure she's not.

But we're going to be in, if that happens, we're going to be in a really

I've never seen, put it this way, I've never seen a politician at that high level of government who knows nothing, nothing, nothing.

People made fun of Donald Trump because he didn't know what the nuclear triad was, that he didn't know that it was based on bombers,

land-based missiles, and submarines.

And they just went, I think Charles Sykes went, or some, no, it was UUT, I think, got ballistic over it.

And they said, how can you have a president?

But I don't think she knows what nuclear is.

I don't think she has the basic grasp of anything because their whole life, she's just had stuff handed to her.

She was the child of two PhDs.

And they were upper middle class.

And she used this,

I was that that child, Joe Biden.

Remember about the racism?

And she just took that, and then when that

bore fruition, then she went into the mistress of Willie Brown and used that.

And then she,

Joe Biden terrified over the George Floyd.

And we could talk about the latest autopsy report, but I don't want to get into that.

That's very scary.

The latest disclosures about the autopsy.

There's a person who's testified or given information about what was said about the autopsy that it was accurate, the original one.

But my point is that she's never,

she was just appointed because of her race and gender.

She has no, she's never,

and to put the wherewithal and the power of the United States in her hands is really scary.

Yeah.

Well, Victor, thank you very much for

today.

That was a very sober ending that I thought.

I don't want to end sober.

That's a very sober ending.

But, anyways,

but thank you very much, and thanks to our listeners.

This is the Victor Davis-Hansen Show.

And thank you for listening once more.

This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis-Hansen, and we're signing off.