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Pressure from certain

folks who just love masks, the bureaucrats who love masks.

I believe there's one school system in Maryland that, of course, is again forcing elementary school kids to return to school, wearing masks and the whole shebang is an opportunity for our favorite gain of function funder, Anthony Fauci,

to come out of the woodwork and give another spin,

another version, update.

You've had so many along the way on masks.

Victor, your thoughts about the recent reappearance of little Tony.

Yeah, Anthony Fauci is reaching caricature territory.

I mean, after three years of seeing him and looking at his office where he does interviews, where he has all these little bottlehead images of himself and pictures of himself and paintings of himself.

And then

on the mask, I was introduced to Antony.

Fauci with the rest of you listeners when he told us that,

what, mask?

They wouldn't help.

And And then all of a sudden

they would help.

But I lied because if I told the truth, you might go out and buy masks.

And then our people who needed mask wouldn't be able to go out.

So I told you a platonic noble lie.

And then it was, well, you know what?

Maybe two masks might work.

So it went from no to one to two.

And then we see him at a baseball game where he said, even if you're outdoors, you should wear a mask.

His mask is not on.

And then we were told about herd immunity yes no maybe sort of kind of and we saw the emails that he communicated right after the

information that COVID was spreading that seemed to suggest he was paranoid that anybody would dare even dare think that he had routed money to the Wuhan Lamb for gain of function research.

And then we find out he was a partisan and his lockdowns have partisan elements to it, blah, blah, blah.

So and then we find out that he was controlling how many billions of dollars in federal grants and people who were

in need of medical research support had to go through Anthony Fauci and he leveraged that.

So he was cooking up articles to be written by associates that were getting U.S.

funding.

And then he would either collaborate or know about them or reference them or make sure they were known.

And because he was treated heroically in them.

So there's everything that's bad about that guy.

And I'm not saying he didn't do good at some time.

Maybe he did,

but I remember him during the AIDS epidemic and I was not fond of him then.

So I think his time is gone.

It's come and gone.

Just leave.

Please don't lecture us anymore.

You have zero credibility.

And I think Rand Paul is still thinking about charging him with perjury when he's denied that the money he gave for gain of function research went to gain of function research.

And then he's funny, you really

was the heartthrob of the left.

He was their medical sword against Donald Trump.

They thought, wow, Donald Trump is a blowhard and a braggart, and

we have the man who says, I am the science.

And then he was so contradictory and so amateur and amateurish and unprofessional.

Now he's embarrassing the left.

So he has nowhere to go.

It's kind of tragic and sad.

Well, Victor, we may talk a little more about science and its validity on another

kind of related topic.

But there was, there has been, have been, any number of studies, and I'm pretty sure untainted studies about masks and the just pointlessness and actually their

how they

may be harmful.

So that's the science.

And yet, in the face of that,

and even Tony Fauci must have read those things.

He still dabbles

because

he's really a politician.

Why do you say that?

We live in a very dusty area where there's a lot of almonds shaking.

So I periodically take out those 20 by 30 filters from the air conditioning heating.

And they suck, you know, and you have to have the flow in the right direction, all that.

And they're just collectors of dirt.

And I always think to myself, if I have an N95 mask and I'm out in the orchard, right?

Right.

I notice that after a few, I try to use it maybe once if I'm doing stuff and then it's all dirty.

You know what I mean?

I think to myself, well, maybe when we wear these masks, rather than protecting them, they're sort of like where they are air conditioning, inhaling the inflow, and the viruses and the bacteria get caught on that mask.

And then when we're inside, when there's no wind or anything, we're just blowing and we get a concentrated dose from what collected on our mask i don't know if people have suggested that but i think there's something to it yeah all the kind of petri dishes yes

so well victor uh

one other thing about fauci by the way and i'm i may be springing this but i saw a news report that donald trump was on hugh hewitt's

radio show yesterday and we were recording on on

friday september 9th and as much as fauci going away he's not the Republican presidential candidates are not going to let him go away.

There's kind of a Fauci war going on between

Trump and DeSantis.

And DeSantis has attacked Trump for not firing him.

Trump on the Hugh Hewitt show said something to the effect, well, I couldn't fire him.

He's a civil servant, which gets to another story.

Like,

how does one, quote-unquote, drain the swamp when

they're sacrosanct?

But

DeSantis, I believe, shot back.

Well, you could have, you know, you could have pushed him to the side and then Trump shot back.

But

Fauci is not

going to go away as a political thing, especially within Republican primaries.

But I mean, Fauci is the head of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, but he's not de facto a permanent civil servant as a medical advisor to the president.

So I think what DeSantis was saying, you were given faulty advice by Burks and Fauci,

and you had people like Scott Atlas or Jay

Vacharya who gave superior advice, maybe John Yanidis.

So what you could have done was, I know it would have been political

risky given the left's wrath, but you could have just said to Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins and

Burks, just go back to where you were.

I love you guys.

You're really nice.

And at a certain time, in a certain place, you helped me a little bit, but now your time is over.

And just go back into the bureaucracy.

And I'm going to listen to Scott and Jay and John.

And he could have done that.

And he didn't.

And I'm not saying that I would have been able to do it or you, Jack, would have been able to do it, but the fact is that somebody should have done it because they did a lot of damage.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not only giving bad advice, but then kneecapping Scott Atlas, who truly had the broader public health

concerns at hand.

So,

well, Victor, I said we were going to talk about science some more and we will, but since we're talking, I injected residential politics in that,

let's go there next.

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new CNN polls out this week, show

Trump and Biden neck and neck.

And now, actually, Donald Trump now in a national poll is

47, 46.

But the surprising thing that came out of this poll was how Nikki Haley

is presenting as

the Republican presidential candidate who

has the best numbers against Biden, 49 to 45.

I believe it's fair to say she had a pretty good debate performance.

There are some stories out there now that she's resonating.

I'll call it a shtick.

I'm not mocking it, but her shtick uh in new hampshire she's spending time there you know i'm just gonna be i'm gonna be honest with you and she talks about the you know abortion issue and uh you know what's really palatable and workable with the citizenry as opposed to some you know stronger policy prescriptions it seems she seems to be connecting poll here is evidence of that as ever this is a poll that's many months several months out before any vote will be cast at a primary or caucus.

But Nikki Haley ascending.

Victor, your thoughts?

Well, she's doing what people thought

DeSantis would be doing in Glenn Juncken, and that is she's able, apparently, to keep the base by her vigorous attacks on Biden and corruption and support of the congressional investigations.

So she seems that she's not a neocon in that sense, or a rhino, or a Romney-esque type of figure.

But she doesn't get into the woke issues to the same degree as Trump or DeSantis and others.

And so she's able, especially, to appeal to the independent voter, apparently, or maybe even some conservative Democrats.

And that's why she, I think, polls better for now at this moment in time than does Donald Trump against Joe Biden, especially on the abortion issue.

But then she has some signature issues.

She's the only viable woman candidate in the entire Republican field, so she gets a lot more attention than for that fact alone.

She's a quote-unquote minority, so that gives her some feed days to attack racial preferences, and she's done that.

She's, as you said, on abortion, she's trying to make it a non-issue.

She brings up that she was an accountant, so she's really the only one talking about fiscal sobriety, that the deficit is too large, $2 trillion this year, $32 trillion in aggregate debt.

And so she's carved out a niche, and all that was predicated.

Well, how would she do in the first debate?

Well,

she showed that she was not an Asa Hutchinson or Bergham, and she showed that she wasn't going to get into the tit-for-tat with Chris Christie and Ramaswamy.

And she wasn't going to invoke her God,

God, not her God,

and be kind of grumpy like Pence.

So it was basically DeSantis and her.

And then Tim Scott was sort of unable to translate his inspirational story into

strict, persuasive, dramatic policy statements or issues or positions.

So she did pretty well in that debate.

Where she's going to have problems,

I think, is that she has a John Bolton-esque view of foreign policy, and that is that it's 2000 and the United States is the only superpower and the economy is going great and our military's overwhelmingly and

we haven't had a humiliating retreat in Afghanistan and we didn't fail.

We didn't really get strategic clarity in Iraq and the Libyan bombing just went great and we have no problem with recruitment.

We have no problem with retired generals going into

defense contractors.

We have no problem with woke.

Mark Milley and Austin haven't done any damage and everything is okay.

And so we're going to pay any price, go anywhere, anywhere to nation build and spread democracy and live up.

And she should ask herself the question she'll have, does she have empathy for the people in East Palestine, Ohio, or rural Pennsylvania or South Carolina?

We'll see.

But she's going to have to be a little bit more a little clearer on foreign policy because when she goes full blast on Ukraine, then she's going to have to say, we have a Verdun-like situation.

Five or six hundred thousands are dead, wounded, and killed.

There's no end in sight.

We've given over $100 billion.

What is the ultimate solution?

She doesn't want to talk about that.

It's just that

we can do both.

We can do both.

We have commitments.

We're not going to.

It's just, you've heard it before, and it leads to things that I supported, the Iraq war after 9-11.

Although I surely didn't support the bombing of Libya or the intervention in Syria or the way that we got out of Afghanistan.

So I think her biggest weakness in the Republican primary is going to be on a neoconservative foreign policy.

But she did well in the debate, and I don't agree with her on a lot of issues.

But if she happens to be the nominee, Jack, I will be more than happy to vote for her because she will be qualitatively superior to anybody on the Democratic side.

And it just reminds all of us that this race is not over yet because Donald Trump, as I keep saying, is Gulliver and these little Apuchians, and that's what they are, are tying him down.

And he's got over 90 indictments, and he's going to have a biased jury, a biased prosecutor, a biased judge who sentences him.

And they mean business.

They want to destroy him, and they want to put him in jail, and they want to render him an inert candidate.

And so we don't know what is going to happen.

That's not a wish that he suffers.

Of course not.

I'm really angry that all of you are who are listening, the way he's treated it, just a practicality.

What do we do if the leading nominee is taken out?

Right.

And it's going to have to be, it's either going to be DeSantis or Yunkin or Haley now at this point.

One of the three.

Seems to me, it seems like DeSantis is still in the lead.

Yunkin is the people that

the donors are looking at because he is charismatic, he's a happy warrior, but he's a Wall Street guy, but he's not a Romney-esque.

He's actually conservative.

And he's proven that.

And Haley is photogenic.

She's well-spoken.

She's a tack dog.

But I think on the foreign policy, she's going to run into some problem.

Yeah.

By the way, related to

what you just listed about the Trump charges, two related things.

Peter Navarro

has been convicted.

So the you know the criminalization of our enemies goes on.

And if you're prosecuting someone in a District of Columbia court and that someone who's being prosecuted is a

Republican or Trump administration member, I think there's pretty good odds they're going to get sent to convicted.

And then also kind of related, Lindsey Graham's name popped up today, Victor, that the grand jury in Fulton County is recommending charges against him

for pressuring the Georgia Secretary of State about the election 2020 election results.

So this

it's really uh and Judge Meta is known as a partisan, the U.S.

judge that can that

really went after him.

Yeah, we talked about Meta's who we talked about last week about this uh serious

um uh uh sentence against the the uh the grandmother, I forget her name,

in the January 6th case.

Yeah, and he's

and the point I'm making is they got him on contempt of Congress.

In other words,

he didn't obey a subpoena to appear.

Unless I'm right.

And the House of Representatives, that was a Democratic partisan movement,

summoned him in connection with January 6th.

Now, who do we know, Jack, who was the first Attorney General in history to be held in contempt of Congress because he would not appear when subpoenaed?

I think his first name is Eric.

Yeah, it was Eric Kohler because he did not want to

testify about the mysterious,

fast and furious, or whatever that gun running

attempt was.

And I think it's very fishy to this day.

And now, I guess he has, he's in jail.

He's going to be convicted again.

Is that he's making millions on corporate boards right now?

He's making millions on corporate boards, playing the race card as usual.

And this is just,

you know, we get back to,

you know, Fonzi and that scene of where he jumps that plastic shark or whatever it was, jumped the shark.

It's just ridiculous.

You have nothing else to do, and you just do something.

It becomes character.

This is getting to the point now

where it's character.

And so they're going to, this grand jury that are all partisans, we had that crazy woman that went on TV and bragged and giggled about the grand jury and what they were going to do.

Just a partisan group of people.

They're going to go after Lindsey Graham for a phone call.

They're going to go after a wonderful woman that we both know, and she was mentioned as may now be indicted, Cleta Mitchell.

And all she did was she was on the fall.

I didn't, was she, has it been mentioned that she might come?

She was in the group of the people that some that the

grand jury, they didn't indict them.

They recommended that Willis look at them to indict.

And she was one of the people mentioned along with.

Oh, I didn't see that.

I love Cleta.

She's a professional.

And she's very...

Why would they do this?

Not because of anything she did, but because right now, as we speak, she is trying to restore voter integrity in these states, and they see her her as a possible obstacle for a 70%

i.e.

COVID excuse to have mail-in

balloting in which the rejection rate just dives to almost nothing and no way of accounting for a

pure ballot.

And they know that she's powerful.

So

I find

where it all ends, because they're getting to the point, as I said, of character.

They're really pushing the envelope.

They're saying to the American people, I don't care.

I don't care if you think I'm biased.

You think I'm biased?

Wait to the next indictment.

Screw you.

We're going to get away with this.

And the only way you're going to stop them listeners is everyone, according to their station, has got to go out and vote.

And they've got to work at the polls.

They've got to watch the voting.

They've got to give money to candidates.

You've got to win the House.

You've got to get the Senate.

get the Senate.

You've got to get the White House.

And then you've got to get people with a backbone who say, you know what?

We're going to stop this lawfare.

And if that takes tit for tat, if that takes some prosecutor in West Virginia or Utah indicting, I don't know, one of these people, then you'll have to do it.

But you're going to have to stop this.

It's going to destroy the country.

And

I don't favor tit for tat like they're doing, but you're going to have to really get serious because they're going to destroy the country if they continue with this.

Yeah.

One thing about Cleto, and this, again,

I guess I shouldn't be surprised because

given the other people

who they've indicted already, but I love Clida.

You know that we're friends.

And she is understood more than most.

And for quite a while,

something you've written about, Victor, the whole, we're going to win, we're going to lose nobly, but while they engage in the process, she understands and has been for a while there, you know, to talk to people, just nod their heads and don't do anything about it.

It's the process that matters.

They control the process.

We have to fight back on the process front.

And they, the other, they hate her for that.

They hate her for that.

So

anyway.

I thought we'll go after her, not because she did anything.

It's clear she did nothing wrong.

And they had been on a verandetta.

She was a very well-known, successful corporate lawyer.

And then the left went after her law firm and basically said, and I'm, you know, I'm not giving an accurate, I I mean, a word-by-word description, but roughly the parameters of the argument is they essentially said that we might not have business with your law firm if she's employed because she's a Trump supporter and was on a call.

So then she

left that law firm and her source of income.

And then she had to go before the January 6th Committee, and they interrogated her and interrogatory.

She needed legal counsel.

That was expensive.

Did they find anything?

No.

And then she went down to Georgia and they subpoenaed her.

She met this subpoena.

She testified.

She gave interrogatory.

She had to have legal counsel.

Did they indict her?

No.

And now there's this.

And what is the pattern?

The pattern is two things.

A, she hasn't done anything wrong.

And B,

she is the foremost legal expert on the conservative side

about the new changes in balloting law.

She knows a lot about how ballot harvesting works, how ballot curing works, how absentee or mail-in balloting, and the dangers of early balloting.

And she's trying to warn people on the conservative side, it doesn't matter how much money you raise, it doesn't matter what the candidate is.

If you go back to an election where 70% of the electorate is not voting on election day and you do not have grounds or methods or any protocols or institutions to verify that those mail-in ballots are actually representing a particular voter, then you're going to lose.

Yeah.

The left knows that, and they're trying to take her out.

Dang.

Well,

we must move on.

And back at Promise Science, Victor, and we're going to get back to science, and we'll do that right after this important message.

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So, Victor, you've seen the news.

I'm assuming so maybe have some of our, if not many of our listeners, about

a scientist.

His name is Patrick Brown.

And here's a piece he wrote for the New York Post the other day.

As a scientist, I'm not allowed to tell the full truth truth about climate change.

So this guy wrote a piece.

He's not, this is a confessional piece.

He wrote a piece for Nature magazine, and he pulled his punches because he thought if he didn't, if he really told the truth of the findings that he had, and this had to do with wildfires and their sources.

And of course, everything, Victor, right, is about climate change.

You know, this fire, that hurricane, that snowfall, you're sneezing.

It all has to do with climate change.

So, but Nature published his piece, even though he was essentially lying.

And he said, I wrote the piece.

If I'd really told the truth, they wouldn't have published it.

Victor,

I'm glad he came out and revealed this.

What are your thoughts?

These people on the left that do these things, that censor articles for ideological grounds, or they promulgate that the only exegesis for all these natural disasters is climate change, They're not benign people.

These are people who cost people's lives.

In California, two years ago, we had the Aspen Fire, and it came within about six to eight hundred yards of burning my house down.

It burned about 70 to 80 cabins and destroyed them.

Some of them had been in families for 100 years.

And it was lit apparently intentionally, but it was fueled by California forestry policy imposed by the Jerry Brown and and Gavin Newsome governments

or Democratic governments in general, and that is that they view the forest as something you don't touch.

And so when a tree dies or limbs break off or there's a drought, 60 million dead trees, you don't allow the timber companies to come in and clean up the forest, thin it out.

And that would prevent these rampant fires where the flames get enormously hot and start to just spontaneously combust things.

And so, what this author was trying to show you is that it wasn't that he thinks that climate change doesn't occur.

He just was saying that it can be people, homeless people, or nefarious people who are starting fires, or it can be this new policy of forest management, which is no management.

I think I got in a big argument with a guy from the Los Angeles Times I wrote, and I think I was attacked because their argument was he was a Forest Service-y person.

You don't ever harvest or clean out a forest because the rotten branches and trees are fertile environments, Jack, for bugs and beetles and ecosystems.

They're just wonderful.

And

who cares, really, I suppose, about where they cause terrible fires?

Because people shouldn't be there anyway.

That's the subtext of the whole thing.

You're not supposed to live in the forest.

It's only supposed to be shut off from everybody except the Sierra Club people who have special accommodations on weekends for their hiking and their enjoyment of nature.

Anybody else, you don't belong up there and therefore this forest will be very dangerous.

And that's pretty much their attitude.

And

one of the things in this article, it was pretty clear that the author knew that climate change, as you pointed out, was not the primary culprit.

And he mentioned these other reasons.

And of course, you don't do that.

You never say that there was some poor person.

I don't mean poor financially, just a victim who was forced to light a fire.

You don't ever blame it on human agency.

And yet, as we talked with Sammy about the fires in Greece, about half of them they know were started by people either who were sick or angry or in some cases wanted to bring attention to climate change.

So

it's something that...

that we have to talk about.

We could stop it tomorrow, Jack.

We could get the timber companies.

California, I think, had the third largest timber industry in the United States at one time, and now it doesn't even rate.

We shut down most of the timber companies.

We could allow them to come back.

They could go in and scientifically harvest trees.

They could clear out the brush.

We could have grazing as we used to.

And we could really have a strong punitive deterrent of laws for people who set fires, like 50 years in prison or something.

And they wouldn't do it.

But we don't do any of that.

Instead, Instead, we just say climate change,

climate change, climate change.

Also,

he wrote, like,

how do you write?

How do you approach writing one of these scientific studies for

not so esoteric?

I think all the science journals are probably esoteric, but Nature, we've heard of, or Science Magazine.

And it's strictly to write it for media play.

Pick on some number, extrapolate it out, make it big,

you know, so so maybe it catches on at social media.

Doesn't seem to be a real desire for

the true facts as much as it is for the attention to the article for popularity's sake.

But then also, Victor, regardless of that,

how do we as a society

hearing these stories again and again about bogus articles,

as you talked about any number of times, the president the former now the former president of stanford university because science studies were doctored

how do we trust anything that comes out of the science community anymore you don't look at lancet lancett had a quote disinterested investigative committee to go over to china and then to come back and swear that the pangolin or the bat or some unknown pathogen but not the lab was responsible for covid and then we learned that Peter Dasick, who was the head of EchoHealth and compromised ethically on this whole matter, had helped assemble that team.

And we learned that the Chinese, far from being cooperative, as we were led to believe, were completely uncooperative.

And then I think eventually Lancet withdrew the article.

And when you look at these scientific journals, you see that contemporary ideology, especially from the left, is what governs them.

So more and more, when you look at articles on quote-unquote science and medicine, they're diversity, equity, inclusion articles.

And they're talking about public health always in terms of ideology.

So,

what I do when I got long COVID, for about a year, about every three days, I would take the word long, quote, COVID and do a Google search on news, you know, for news articles, maybe thinking there would be a supplement or a medicine that might be of some benefit.

You know what I found out, Jack?

About 85% of every news story on long COVID was not about the science.

It wasn't about research that discovered the particular autoimmune response.

It wasn't in a double-blind study about a new sort of, there were some, but that wasn't the normal.

You know what the normal was?

This community was underserved.

This community had disproportionate

fatalities.

This community was ignored by their doctor.

It was all race, race, race, race, race, race, and poverty, poverty, and social issues.

But it wasn't about how to help those people.

If you really want to help somebody who lives in rural Fresno County, who's dealing, I know a lot of Hispanic people are dealing with long COVID.

Well, you don't write articles about how they're underserved.

I've been into the, I have the same doctors.

I go to the same hospital as they do.

It's not being underserved.

But I can tell you what you could help them is find the science that unlocks the mystery of long COVID.

And that will help them but not if you're wasting your time on these other issues and that's the same thing about climate change if you really want to help people then come up with an innovative way to stop forest fires and clean out the forest or how to deal with a homeless poverty and rather than blaming somebody for it or chasing your tail about

this is a problem homelessness this is a problem climate change this is a prominent problem forest fires now the first thing we do is find who the victim is and then the second thing is the victimizer, and then we act accordingly.

And that's how they operate.

And then the only thing to remember about them, Jack, they're usually bicoastal, wealthy young people who went to these bankrupt, Ivy League, or prestigious schools, and they're never subject to the consequences of their policies or ideology.

Yes.

They never are.

So, I mean, Diane Feinstein can talk about forest management all she wants, and she has a beautiful home, or she did at Lake Tahoe in the forest on the shores of the lake, just like where Joe Biden was two weeks ago with Tom

Stire.

If he really believes in climate change, he shouldn't be in the forest, I suppose.

But believe me, a forest fire will not break out next to his home and take over.

The funny thing is, I have a house, you know, it's in the forest.

You know what we're told by everybody in the homeowners?

You are responsible for your quarter acre to clean up all the brush around your house.

Otherwise, you are a liability to your neighbors.

Right.

The Forest Service will come and inspect it.

So, and

the unofficial policy is: hey, we all know just letting the forest be the forest will get us killed.

Right.

We won't do that.

But we can't say that publicly in terms of national policy.

Insane.

Victor, we're going to take on one last subject back on politics.

And it's to me a little bit depressing.

It's just how,

I don't know, non-conservative Republican state legislators are and how lefty Democrats are.

And we'll get to that final topic after this final message.

We're back with the Victor Davis-Hanson show.

So Victor, I was talking to someone yesterday about some of the efforts that the state think tank, conservative, pro-liberty, freedom-loving think tank in Mississippi, Mississippi Center for Public Policy,

how they've advanced things.

There, it's run by a man, you may remember him, Douglas Carswell.

He was the, he's a Brit, he's a Brit.

He was the only member of parliament ever from the UKIP party.

I do remember him.

Yeah.

He's a great guy.

He's very effective.

And he came to America and

he's heading up this center.

And someone said to me, well, you know, doing things successfully in Mississippi, which is a red state, isn't it?

It's kind of easy.

Well, in fact, it's not easy.

And coincidentally, the Daily Wire published a story yesterday, and it's by a writer named Luke Roziak.

And here's the headline:

Dem lawyers vote for leftism in lockstep, while Republicans routinely abandon conservatism, analysis finds, among the 10 least conservative states.

When it comes to how Republican lawmakers actually vote, among

the 10 least conservative states were Mississippi, Wyoming, South Dakota, and Idaho.

Now, if I just read those names and I said,

they're conservative states, you would think, oh, yeah, they're red states, right?

They vote, vote red, and get the Electoral College votes.

But in practice in these states, the Republican Party is

really

mildly conservative and nowhere near

as

left as the,

well, they shouldn't be left, but the comparison is the Democrats are much more hardcore than the state

legislatures,

and Republicans are kind of wimpy in a lot of places.

Anyway, you have any thoughts to surprise you?

No, it doesn't because the Republicans, part of it, it's not their fault.

I mean, the average conservative or Republican, and they're not synonymous, I understand that, but they're interested in their community.

They're interested in their religion.

They're interested in their family.

They're interested in things.

They don't live and breathe politics 24-7.

The left does.

They're not on a moral crusade to make everybody equal with a gun to your head.

And that's the history of Marxism.

That's the history of socialism.

That's the history of Cuba, Venezuela.

So they're political 24-7, 360 degrees.

And the right is more live and let live and more libertarian.

You do your thing, I'll do my thing.

And that means it's much harder to herd them and get them into.

a consensus and make them aware of the dangers of left-wing money and organization and capturing the institutions.

And so they just sort of freelance.

And that's why I keep harping.

I know a lot of people are going to say, don't say this again, Victor.

But we have lost seven out of the last eight popular votes for president.

We haven't won 51% of the vote since George H.W.

did.

And when he did it with only the agency of Lee Outwater.

And then as soon as they did it, they said, we never want to win ugly again.

We'd rather lose nobly.

And so.

That all said, though, you know, what's interesting, there was also a story, Jack, that Mississippi just passed Great Britain

in GDP, and it was very important because

we learned that Mississippi is the poorest state in per capita income in the United States, but it has a higher per capita income in real dollars than does the United Kingdom.

And that should warn everybody of the wages of socialism, because after the death of Margaret Thatcher,

socialism has crept back, as you know, into Great Britain.

One way to look at all this very quickly is it's kind of like Lord of the Flies,

that

when authority is gone or when you get complacent, then people revert to their natural chaotic state.

And that's kind of what leftism is.

And then you start to say, well, who are you to judge?

Who are you to say?

Who are you to say they're homeless?

Who are you to say that that's a crime?

Who are you to say that shoplifting is not a cry of the heart?

All of that.

And so then it creeps back in and

the rule of law vanishes, and rules and institutions vanish, and we get chaos.

That's where we are now.

And then every once in a while, the adult lands on the islands and oh my god, they've reverted to their natural state.

And they're like, Lord of the flies.

And so then you get a Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, they try to crack down.

And then they get a Rudy Giuliani in New York.

And then things start working.

They don't, you kind of take the patient, you slap them and say, wake up, you're in a trance.

And then it works pretty well.

And people say,

this is the natural state.

Everything works.

It's just the way it always is.

It's not because you guys did anything.

So you don't have to do it anymore.

You don't have to do stop and frisk.

People won't commit a crime.

I don't know.

You don't have to fix a broken window.

Who does that?

Oh,

so what if they want to wash windows,

your windshield when you're driving through, you know, the squeachy people?

So

Well, you know, litter is just litter.

It doesn't matter.

And every once in a while, a guy is going to take some, you know, allergy medicine and it starts to creep back.

And then all of a sudden you get chaos.

And we're unfortunately in this cycle where we're in the Lord of the Flies moment.

And so

that's what happened to Britain.

And that's what's happening to all these states.

And then finally people say, no more.

And we're going to go back to sanity.

There is no such thing as critical race theory.

There is no such thing as modern monetary theory.

There is no such thing as critical legal studies.

There's no such thing as critical global warming or zero net or whatever term you want.

And we're going to go look at the world the way it is and do what civilization has always done.

And that's kind of tragic because when these people spend their lives and they restore sanity and things start working again, and then people go complacent and think this was always that way.

It's unautopied.

It's not.

And people should go back and and look at Reagan.

And I remember Reagan

when he was thinking of running in 1968 against Nixon.

People in the Republican Party said, this guy's a nut.

Don't let him anywhere near.

And then he was thinking of doing it against Jerry Ford in 76.

They said now he's an old nut.

He's too radical.

And then when he ran in 1980, he's just, oh, this is just crazy.

And it wasn't just that Ronald Reagan, everybody loved him and he was going to win and he had great ideas.

It was they despised and they wanted to destroy him.

And it was very hard for him to get elected.

I know he won the first time by a lot and a lot the second time, but it wasn't for sure.

He was behind Carter for a while until the

people woke up in the last few weeks of that campaign.

So it's not easy to get elected if you're a conservative.

But

boy, you need them every once in a while to bring things back to normal.

Yeah.

Well, and the folks calling them crazy, some of them were in the Republican Party.

Absolutely.

George H.W.

Bush, voodoo economics.

Voodoo.

You mentioned the Mississippi British connection.

I do want to recommend that actually was Douglas Carswell

wrote an essay about this for the Atlantic, which is, I think if you go to the Atlantic, you can get a few free bites at the apple.

But the Brits were using Mississippi as a put-down, and now

he's rubbing their nose in it.

So,

anyway,

it's really a very good piece, what you were just talking about, Victor.

And while I'm recommending pieces,

I do want to, my dear friend, our friend Dan Mahoney, you know, I love Dan.

Well, Dan's just one of the great public intellectuals, and he's got a piece on the American mind I recommend to all.

It's called Refusing the Great Refusal.

It's an anti-woke manifesto.

So

check that out.

And when you get your

subscription to The Blade of Perseus, you got to read Victor's latest series of stories.

They're about life on the farm and the people.

It's these strange and dangerous people of the American outback in part four about Bert, who Burton who worked on the farm is just, I don't know, Victor's just really

terrific stuff.

And I think about him, I don't know where he is in heaven or hell, but probably the latter.

But he was a very scary guy.

He was,

my parents had a very strange attitude.

I really admired them.

They always intervene at the last moment, but we were kind of free-range, and we worked with some very dangerous people.

And then when they got out of hand, my dad showed up or something.

But they thought it was very important,

even when you were in your early teens, to know how the world worked and not known.

Right.

Working alongside some very scary people.

Well, anyway, Victor, thanks for all the wisdom you shared today.

And we have come to the almost end and thank our listeners for listening.

Those who leave comments, which you can do at iTunes and Apple, and you can rate the show zero to five stars.

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So practically everyone is

loving this as they should because it's Victor's wisdom.

Thanks.

Some people leave comments also on Victor's website.

And a recent piece you wrote, Victor, again, just terrific piece.

It is an American Greatness piece, but you have it on the website, What the Left Did to Our Country.

It has

a ton of reaction.

And here's one comment left by Colonel James Kress,

United States Army retired.

As always, VDH lays out a truthful and comprehensive assessment of the tragic condition of our republic.

Yes, indeed, we constitutionally faithful Americans must wake up and act, or we and our once great nation are lost to be thrown on the garbage pile of failed governmental experiments.

Colonel Press, thank you very much for that and all others who leave comments.

Victor, you've been terrific.

I hope what's left of your time people listening to this, you'll be back in Fresno or Selma.

But I hope while we're talking, the rest of your time at Hillsdale is productive and that maybe you are able to catch two or three hours of sleep one night.

But thanks for all the wisdom you shared.

Thanks, everyone, for listening.

We'll be back soon with another episode of the Victor Davis-Hansen Show.

Bye-bye.

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