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What do you think?

Yeah, I think it is.

I mean, the more

you'll have Fox, you'll have Newsmax, you'll have Tucker.

So

maybe it will expand rather than fragment the audience.

It has a, there's some questions about it, though.

When he says he's going to be on, we don't know what that means.

Is it going to be the same format?

He's got two beautiful studios in Maine and Florida.

Is he going to have guests

if his retinue from Fox come on?

Is Fox going to say if you go on to Tucker's, you can't go back onto Fox?

I mean, they don't do that with Newsmax.

And that's one of the advantages, I think, of not being a paid Fox analyst.

So somebody like me can go onto Newsmax or wherever I want.

Yes.

But I don't know if that'll be the same policy that the Fox news analysts are.

I think they're confined to Fox, but will the freelancers be allowed to go on Tucker as they are other venues?

That'll be interesting.

So I think all in all, it's great news.

I think also there's a shelf life on all

celebrity people like that.

In other words, you've got to get back in the game as quickly as possible.

because there's it's such a fragmented audience.

There's so much competition for what he does,

and he does it so well that it's good to keep riding the quest of that wave.

And I think Fox knows that.

So, you know, that $20 million cuts a lot of ties, if I could quote Sam Peckenthal.

But,

you know, if he's willing to give up $40 million and then take a great risk, Some of the projections on the revenues should suggest that he can make over 30 million a year.

So, you know, if he has a pay for subscribe, subscribers list, if he's got ad revenue, if he gets pay for, you know, people who buy things via his, you know, his advertising, you can, he could make a lot of money.

Yeah.

Well,

on to the other things this week, Donald Trump and the verdict in court that was the court civil lawsuit that was brought against him him by E.

Jean Carroll, who was accusing him of rape, but it appears that the court did not, the jury did not come down with a conviction of rape, but sexual abuse instead.

So, I don't really

quite understand at all.

Yeah, I don't know.

So, if you're ignorant of the case, as I am ignorant, then they're saying

that Donald Trump coerced her in this room, wherever it was, dressing room,

and he sexually assaulted her, but he didn't sexually penetrate her.

Is that what they're saying?

It's not actually rape.

Are we getting back to Bill Clinton's territory?

Didn't have sex.

And that's one thing.

The other thing is that

Does anybody really believe who's listening to this that if Donald Trump had not been president or had not run for president, this woman would have emerged after 25 years at that point and said, Donald Trump did this?

Or would she have filed a civil suit?

I don't think so.

It's like saying, with Alvin Bragg, does he typically go through all of the subpoena, all of the tax returns

or bank loan applications of New York moguls to see if they, quote unquote, overvalued their assets or they just do it to Donald Trump?

And would they do it to Donald Trump if he were not president?

Again, that's what you're getting.

And then if you cannot remember the year in which the incident happened, that casts doubt on it.

And if you've in your past said some kind of risky, risque things like rape is sexy and all this.

And that didn't matter because that was not what it was about.

It was about

getting a judge.

and getting a New York jury and then playing the access Hollywood tape where he said, this is what you can do.

And that gave, that lowered the bar of his potential behavior.

And then a New York jury and a New York prosecutor, of course, is going to convict him, which also raises the question of what's the result politically.

CNN is pursuing almost to the T their 2016

strategy when he brought them, you know, a billion dollars.

And they gave him a billion dollars in free publicity.

And he probably gave them a billion dollars in increased revenues because they had him on all the time.

He was calling the Scarborough Show.

And people like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and all the rest of them were saying, stop this.

You're giving him free stuff.

Give us free stuff.

But they wanted to maximize their revenues because he was a celebrity and controversial.

And then Trump thought that that would continue.

And because he had worked with NBC and accepted, it didn't.

It was all part of a plan to build him up, get him the nomination, and then turn on him.

Now what?

They're doing the same thing.

You turn on CNN or MSNBC, and it's kind of sort of maybe just Donald Trump wouldn't have taken on Disney.

He's much more reasonable about abortion.

He actually was willing to work across the aisle with reducing criminal sentencing of youthful offenders.

He was very reasonable on gun control.

He wouldn't shut down the government.

He doesn't want to penalize Disney inordinately.

And that Ron DeSantis does.

So they are doing the same thing.

And Trump is attacking DeSantis from the left.

And you know what's going to happen.

They're going to.

No, I don't.

Tell me.

Well, you know what's going to happen.

They're going to try to give him a billion dollars of free publicity and build him up.

And he has a town hall, a CNN town hall to host him in an exclusive event and then right coming right after this.

So they want to have these events and then he gets the free publicity and they put him in that chair and they said, well,

you just got convicted, lost a civil suit about sexual assault.

Can you run for president when you've got to pay an indemnity for sexual assault?

And then they're going to give him another one and they're going to say, Alvin Bragg just indicted you.

And then he's going to say, well, I didn't come here to talk about that and they're going to say letita james just

indicted you and then he's going to have another cnn town hall and msnbc will get on and then they'll say miss willis down in georgia just indicted you and

mr smith down in florida just indicted you and this will go on from now until a year from now or into the fall just

believe me it will that's the whole left-wing plane Do you think so?

Because it would sound like the left-wing would be helping Ron DeSantis.

If I were the left-wing, in other words, I would give him the CNN voice and not do that to him.

And then after he's elected or wins the primary, I would do it to him.

The left wing has two objectives.

They hate Donald Trump.

They're irrational.

They don't care.

If you told them.

that what they're doing is going to help Trump, they wouldn't care.

But that's not the truth, but they still wouldn't care.

They hate him with a passion, number one.

Number two,

they are convinced that Joe Biden, as decrepit as he may be, or

whoever might take his place, can beat Donald Trump.

And now, why are they confident?

Because they did it in 2020.

They beat him.

And in 2016, they beat him with a popular vote.

And they're looking at the Electoral College and they're saying, we have changed voting laws in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and we can beat him in these states.

So we want him the nominee.

So we're going to build him up

and

resonate his criticisms of DeSantis.

And they both poll about the same.

Sometimes DeSantis polls better against Biden, sometimes Trump does.

And so that's their plan.

They think that if he can just get the nomination, then they can handle the rest and they can get Biden elected.

I don't know if this is, I have no idea.

I'm not saying this in any partisan way at all.

I don't know if it's going to boomerang on as in 2016 where the gambit worked and he did lose the popular vote, but he surprised everybody.

They weren't ready for him.

So he had a fairly honest ballot and he won the electoral call.

In 2020, they were ready for him.

And they changed the voting laws in March and April to ensure a 70% non-voting

day balloting.

And he wasn't prepared for that.

And who knows what's going to happen?

But that's what they're doing.

And I don't know how they,

Donald Trump's going to be going, giving a town hall after someone has won.

a lawsuit and then, you know, that he sexually attacked her 30 years ago.

That's not going to be a question.

Of course, it's going to be a question.

I don't, I think it'll have zero effect on his supporters.

They know what's going on, that it's all set up, up, but I'm not sure how it affects the independent.

And I don't know how Juan DeSantis is supposed to or will handle it.

Was he going to say, this is just, again, another rogue prosecutor, another rogue claimant, another rogue

shakedown artist, another rogue just

judge.

And they're always,

no matter what the lawsuit, no matter what the criminal indictment, they all have one thing in common.

They wouldn't have done this unless Donald Trump was A, hated, and B, a celebrity.

But,

but, but Ron DeSantis would have never been accused of sexually assaulting, even if falsely, he wouldn't have been in a ladies' lingerie room with this crazy woman.

That's what he could probably say.

Yes.

Yeah.

Well, since we're on the subject.

Caesar's wife must be Caesar's wife must be above suspicion.

Who said that?

Oh, wow, I think it's

in Shakespeare, but I think it's it was first voiced by Salas, the historian, when they were, you know, he divorced her and they said, well, she didn't, do you have proof?

He said, Caesar's wife must be above suspicion.

So a presidential candidate must be above suspicion.

That's what DeSantis may be saying.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Well, let's turn to Biden then.

And I know, of course, that it's very early, but he has announced, and there's been so much flurry out on the

main in this, in the media period about the fact that he announced his

run for the 2024 election, and he has only 37% approval rating.

And his approval among those under 30 is at 26.

Non-white adults, he's at 42%,

and urban residents, 42%,

and and those with non-religious affiliations at 46%.

Those are all his constituencies and yet he's polling very low on that.

And so I was wondering if you had any thoughts on this Biden for president.

Are you still sure it's just going to fizzle out?

Biden?

Yeah.

That he's going to fizzle out.

Yeah, that he won't be the running.

person in 2024.

He's going to run.

He says he's going to run.

Does that mean he's going to run?

That's going to mean he's in a race, right?

He's in a race.

On one side, there's onset senior dementia.

And it's progressing, as I've said, geometrically.

On the other side, there is

naps, putting a lid on work at two o'clock, Adderall, Previgen, whatever that

mind-clearing antioxidant drug is that he takes.

And we'll see.

And

those two lines are going to cross somewhere.

They're either going to cross after

the election or right before.

But I can guarantee you, he won't be able to do four years if he were to be elected.

There's no way in the world that this man can perform for the next six years.

And that's going to be in the mind of the voters when they vote for him.

They're going to vote for him

on the presupposition, just like with FDR

1944.

They knew that if you voted for FDR,

you were voting for a dead man, and he would not, not, not fill out that presidential term.

And they had,

you know, they had a big problem with that because they had Henry Wallace, who was a certified communist as a vice president.

And then they got the old boys of the Democratic Party in a smoky room.

They lit up their cigars and said, he ain't going to be the vice president because I'm not going to have a communist on our ticket to be president.

And Roosevelt kind of defended him.

He liked liked commies.

And they kicked him off.

And they brought in good old Harry Truman, who was sort of tainted from his,

there was, you know, the mafia of Missouri.

He was involved in that.

But he had a reputation of being sort of a clean senator, a common man.

He had investigated military inappropriate.

and fraudulent spending during World War II, and he stepped in and everybody knew who is this guy.

And Roosevelt liked the idea because Roosevelt was a narcissist and he did not want a preeminent vice president to overshadow him as he declined.

So this was a non-entity.

He didn't tell Truman zilch.

He didn't tell him about the bomb.

He didn't tell him about allied strategy.

And then he conked in April of 1945, just as everybody knew he would.

So if Biden

selects a vice president, that vice president, if he should win, will be president.

Everybody knows that.

And everybody knows it cannot be Kamala Harris.

Who do you think it can be?

Oh, wow.

I suppose the left will try to make him have Elizabeth Warren.

She seems to me about almost as much baggage.

Or they may try to get

I'm not going to get Michelle Obama, but maybe they're going to try to deal with,

in that party, you can't have two white guys.

And if they bring in Gavin Newsom, it doesn't do any good.

They've already won California from the moment the polls close.

So what does Gavin Newsom bring to the table except a guy to overshadow Biden?

That's not going to happen.

So I don't know who they're going to get.

They're going to have to get some

Kobuchar or some non-entity, quote-unquote, left of center, but not Jacobin candidate.

And we'll see.

But they've got a lot of problems about that.

So, yes, he's going to run and he's going to decline and decline.

And

Karen Jean-Pierre is going to lie, lie, lie.

But at some point, and I think we've reached that point, you can't lie about reality.

That border is wide open, and he has no clue.

The cities are in a mess.

It's like medievalism.

He has no clue.

I just saw gasoline and diesel, $5.50 a gallon today for diesel, and $5.05 for gasoline in California.

And that's the cheap part of California.

And he has no clue.

He has no clue about what's going to happen in Ukraine.

He has no clue about the whole contours of this transgender issue he's embraced.

No clue.

And that's just the way it is.

And he's going to get less and less of no clue as it goes on.

And it's...

It's a wonderful opportunity for the Republicans because good old Joe Biden from Scranton, who's the big uniter and not one of these crazy squad people, and he's going to be nice and not tweet, that's a lie now.

Everybody knows that he was a mean SOB.

He's Darth Vader, phantom of the opera speeches, ultra-maga, semi-fascist.

He lies.

He lies about the death of his wife.

He dies about the death of his son.

He dies about

meeting, being arrested and civil rights in Atlanta and civil rights in South Africa.

He says he was a truck driver.

He got kicked.

He lied about cheating in law school.

He lied about his speech that he plagiarized in 1988 from Neil Kinnick.

He lied and said there was no vaccine when he came into office, although there'd been 17 million.

He lies about everything.

He lied about the laptop.

He had morale call.

Morale was called by Blinken.

Blinken got the 51 people a lie.

Joe Biden used that lie and looked right in the American people's eyes, said, this is Russian disinformation.

He knew it wasn't.

He knew it.

He lied to us when he said he had never, never met any of,

what, Hunter's associates?

He has a picture of them with him.

He lies.

Corn pop.

That was a complete lie.

Everything.

He lied the other day.

He said that.

Well, you know,

I only got the student loan program through by two votes.

No, you didn't.

You didn't even bring it to Congress.

You didn't even, there was no bill before Congress.

There was no vote.

You just had an edict.

It just,

he lied the other day.

He said, well, I'm going to be having a press conference and we'll address that.

No, you're not.

You're having a private interview with MSMP.

He was a liar before he was demented, and now he's a demented liar.

Yeah.

And it's to his advantage because his supporters say he doesn't know where he is.

Don't blame him.

You hate old people.

You're making fun of people with Alzheimer's.

No, I'm saying that he was a liar before this.

He was a hairblower and dress grabber and even perhaps a sexual assaulter.

But now he's got an excuse when he blows into somebody's hair or he says weird, wacky things, or he leaves a podium and he doesn't know where he is.

So.

Yeah.

So

they've got, in other words, big problems, the Democrats.

That's why you see all these articles.

I was noticing them.

Dims have sinking feeling that Trump could beat Biden.

And then another

left wing.

They're scared because

they think they, you know, they're Dr.

Frankenstein and they made this little Trump Frankenstein.

And they thought he was going to be so crazy.

that he couldn't, he's just going to go out and do what they wanted.

And that is destroy DeSantis and then get indicted.

And then he jumped out with the electric bolt and grabbed them by the neck and strangling them and saying,

you created me and I may eat you in that general election.

And that's terrifying.

We have a long way to go.

We have no idea because

just envision it like this, that Trump is in a wrestling ring and they sent in this lawsuit woman and she's attacking him.

And then outside the ring, there's brag going, let me in, let me in, let me in.

He's weak.

He's going to go in.

Then Letita James said, well, you can't take him on.

I will.

And after Graham gets him weak, and then she goes in and wrestles Trump.

And then Willis Downflo is, I got the better deal.

I got the phone call.

Let me get in there.

And then Smith says, okay, all four of you go at him.

And I'm going to come in and knock him out right in October of 2020.

That's how they envision the whole thing.

Yeah.

And do you think, I think the wild card is, do the American people put up with all of these lawsuits against Trump?

And That's exactly what it is.

Is the American people saying, you know what?

I am so sick of weaponizing.

No one ever.

They're going to say either one of two things.

They're going to say he would have never been indicted by Willis or Letita James if it was anybody else.

Or what about Biden?

Look at Biden's crooked family.

Are they indicted?

Look how Biden overvalues things.

How about is Tara Reid going to file a lawsuit?

They threw it out.

This is just completely asymmetrical.

Or are they going to say, you know what?

These SOBs are going to tie Trump down and wound him and bleed him.

And I empathize and I think it's terrible, but I'm tired.

I'm going in my fetal position.

I'm putting my hands over my ears.

And like Elliot in true romance, I'm saying, I can't take this anymore.

And just get down and start.

I'm going to be like Ted Turner.

Remember, Ted Turner said that every once in a while he couldn't take it.

He closed the door of his executive suite and got in the fetal position.

Or be like that transgendered woman in San Francisco.

I'm going to show you how

she started.

Maybe how we're going to feel.

I said, I can't take Stormy.

I can't take Letita James.

I'm just sick of Alvin Bragg.

I never want to hear about Mar-Lago and Jack Smith again, or whatever his name is.

I do not want to hear about the phone call in Georgia.

Just take it all away, make it go away.

And if that's true, then

DeSantis will be in a good position.

Yes, he should be in a good position.

Well, we'll see if what turns out for him.

Well, let's take a break and then come back and talk a little bit about the U.S.

border since Title 42 is ending today.

We'll be right back.

Welcome back to the Victor Davis-Hanson Show.

And Victor, the U.S.

border is in for a change today.

I don't know if there's any recent news as yet, but it sounds like we're going to get a flood of new immigrants to add to our big flood of millions of immigrants already.

What are your thoughts on the border?

Well,

it's now 1.13 on a Wednesday in California, and I just turned on the news.

There's been 10,000 people detained at the border today.

It's a new record.

And for each one detained, it's usually six or seven that got across.

And so,

what was Title 42?

You remember during the coronavirus that said that

Trump passed that executive order that you could expel illegal aliens because of the health threat of COVID?

Remember that?

Because we were telling the military you're going to have to kick this Marine veteran with the Silver Star because he didn't want to to get vaccinated, even though he's had COVID twice.

But, but you're going to let in this guy from Mexico.

You have no background check without a test or a COVID.

Finally, that was so ridiculous.

Trump, they tried to overthrow it.

And that's been in existence.

And the left was really upset because they wanted to perpetuate the COVID crisis and all the emergency measures like, you know, third party voting harvesting and don't have to turn in your taxes.

And now this was part of it.

So when all those faded, now this has faded.

And so we're going to see a huge influx.

But I'm getting so tired of people,

the Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell type of pundit who says, well, you know, hold on, the Republicans just weren't prepared for this.

Excuse me.

The Democrats weren't just prepared for this.

They're not prepared.

And this is embarrassing.

No, no, no, no.

They're prepared.

This was by intent.

They're behind

their closed doors and they're saying, you know what?

Mission accomplished.

We've got 40 million people and we're getting up to 50 million that were not born in the United States.

That's 13, 14% of the population.

That's a new record.

Those are all constituents.

They need massive support and health and education and food and housing.

And we're here to give it to them with a bigger federal government.

And they're going to be the types of voters that help us flip California and Nevada and New Mexico and Colorado blue.

We have an agenda that nobody wants.

Look at Biden's polls.

Nobody wants it.

Nobody wants his border.

Nobody wants his crime policy.

Nobody wants his energy policy.

Nobody wants his racial relations policy.

Nobody wants anything about him.

And but, but we have two things.

that he doesn't have.

He's like the Wizard of Oz, but they have one thing you don't have, a diploma or a heart.

They have one thing you don't have, Mr.

Republicans.

You don't have the corporate boardroom, the media, Silicon Valley money, the foundations, K through 12, academia, professional sports, popular culture, Hollywood.

And we can get that message.

And another thing you don't have, you don't have the ability.

or the testicles to change the demography like we're doing.

And we're going to call it demography is destiny, demography is destiny, demography is destiny, demography is destiny.

We write books with John Judas does it.

Lanny Davis was one of the first.

We're going to brag with James Carville.

We're going to brag about it.

We are changing the demography.

Sorry, old white guy, you're just put you in a wheelchair and out of mind, out of thought.

It's your era is over.

And

if you dare say that, then we're going to call you a racist because you believe with Tucker Carlson, the great replacement theory, and that is racist.

Well, bottom line, they're happy.

They got six and a half to seven and a half million illegal entries.

And now the people are angry.

And this is going to bring in another million right away.

And they've got an election coming up.

So even though Karine

Jean-Pierre says, you know, this is a political thing when Trump used the

military.

They're going to send the military down.

It's not going to do anything.

They're going to talk about comprehensive immigration reform.

They're going to blame the other side.

But the fact of the matter is they want these people to come.

They, you know, of course, Eric Adams and Laurie Lightfoot, you know, it's, well, we don't, we'll welcome them.

We're sanctuary cities.

And then when they start coming like they do in Texas and New Mexico and Arizona and California, then all of a sudden it is, this is racist to just dump them in our city.

I don't understand that.

They should welcome them.

That's what they want, but they don't want.

And so

now it's starting to affect the Manhattan socialite or techie who's going to have a hotel full of illegal aliens right in Midtown Manhattan or in Chicago.

And a lot of poor people who are

not, you know, they're not necessarily Hispanic, but black as well or white, they're going to say, wait a minute, I don't get a free phone.

I don't get a free hotel.

And I didn't break the law.

These guys broke the law.

We're rewarding them.

It's not going to go over well.

There's nothing political about it.

Another thing that's just a joke is they're saying, and I hear this a lot on Fox too.

Well, this is terrible because the way we're treating the immigrant, we're just bussing them around as if they're pawns.

No, you're the pawn.

You are the pawn.

The American citizen is the pawn.

Somebody in Mexico, Guatemala, they know exactly what they're doing.

They know exactly what they're doing.

They're not starving.

If you look at the people coming across the border, they're not 90 pounds.

If anything, they're suffering from obesity, as the UN statistics on obesity show us that some of the most obese people in the world are in Mexico.

They're not starving.

They want to come into the United States because it has the most

generous social safety net in the world.

And that's why they're coming.

And they don't give a damn about immigration law.

They will willingly break it.

They will lie.

They'll break it.

And they will have no problem residing here illegally.

It's the second illegal act.

And if the third requires them to ignore a summons they sign, they would appear or to get a fraudulent ID.

They're very happy to do that too.

So don't tell me that we are victimizing these poor migrants who they know they're breaking the law.

Just as if 1 million Americans crossed that border illegally and you got went into Mexico.

You would be breaking the law.

The second thing is, well, Mexico is a partner.

That's what Joe Biden said today.

No, they're not.

They get $60 billion from remittances.

What is a remittance?

That means somebody comes in illegally and gets a job or gets on welfare or both.

And we subsidize their health and their...

education and their food and their medical care and that frees up 300 bucks a week to send back to Mexico to support family members that the Mexican government will not send and it's the biggest source of foreign exchange and then they get 40 million

40 million expatriates that are a lobbying organization basically oh victor that's so unfair that's callous no i just quoted president ovador almost word for word verbatim he said it's a beautiful thing that 40 million cross a border and are living in the united states and he said i told them not to vote Republican.

That's exactly what Mexico does.

The longer you're away from Mexico in the United States, the nicer Mexico becomes.

You get nostalgic as long as you don't have to go back and live in Mexico.

And that's a typical immigrant, you know.

My grandfather used to tell me that.

He said he'd get So tired of these Swedes, you know, who said, oh, Sweden was so much better.

And then he's, you know, he was born in Chicago, but his father was an immigrant and his father said no they weren't they lived as the dregs of swedish society they had nothing they only romanticize sweden because they don't have to go back and live there they're here in the united states and so that's another thing that it's it's mexico wins wins wins they get rid of their dependents that they would have have to support.

They get rid of a potential revolutionary force that would agitate for social change.

They have a safety valve.

They get the remittances.

They get the expatriate communities.

And the Chamber of Commerce, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan Wing, and the Republican Party get cheap labor, as they've always gotten.

And the Democrats get

a constituency, a demographic change constituency.

And everybody's happy except the middle-class American that has to pay for it.

Everybody you see crossing today has no ability to support themselves.

And they're going to go immediately on to social welfare entitlements.

And that's going to have two things.

That's going to impact the budgets of these cities and states.

And it's going to tell the U.S.

citizen, many of them black and Mexican-American, who is in line for food stamps, who is in line for kidney dialysis, who is in line at the emergency room, who has a child with an ear infection.

It's going to be get in line because the illegal alien is going to be competing with you for those social services.

And it's going to tell the California taxpayer, the Texas taxpayer, the money's got to come from somewhere.

Medi-Cal has doubled almost its budget since 2010 in California.

It's getting up to nearly half the budget.

If you want to know why we don't build dams and we don't build new freeways, it's not just that Gavin Newsom doesn't want them.

He doesn't have the wherewithal because it's going into social welfare program.

So it's everybody wins except the american citizen it's worse though i think than that because i think your your old white guy goodbye is only a mask for getting rid of or subverting everything that comes down in from to us from western civilization which would be a total disaster oh well i mean if everybody

if everybody if every listener just takes a deep breath and follows the logic it's terrifying So this country

was founded on different principles of the Mexican nation and by extension, the Spanish Empire.

Spain had a rule that if you were going to be an immigrant in South or Central or North America, you had to be Catholic and you had to be a subject of the Spanish Empire or get special permission.

Northern America was fought over by the French and the Dutch and

the British, and there were no such restrictions.

And second,

when the Spanish came, there was a heavily populated area of indigenous people.

If you look at the central Mexico square mile population versus Colorado or Utah or

Nebraska, it was like night and day.

So there was a large indigenous population and a Spanish, mostly male, mostly male conquistador profile.

And these were the toughest people in the world.

They came from Castile in large part.

They had been fighting for the

Reformationists since the 1490s.

And they had been fighting in the Reconquest for two centuries.

And they were skilled fighting Muslims in North Africa and Spain and Protestants in the Habsburg Empire.

Okay,

that male culture came over here and subdued this huge indigenous population.

It was very different in North America.

There were not as many Native Americans, and the people came were diverse.

They came from

Britain.

They came from Ireland.

They came from Wales.

Soon they came from Germany.

They came from France.

They came from Holland.

and soon they came from Eastern Europe and they brought families and they had a a completely different take on Western civilization than the Spanish take and the indigenous peoples take.

And the result was that an independent judiciary, a constitutional republic, free market capitalism, rationalism unfettered by religion or state intervention,

a pretty much laissez-faire tax system and regulation system

created enormous amounts of wealth and freedom.

And so a lot of people then decided in the 19th century especially that the paradigm that the Spanish Empire imposed on its colonies doesn't work.

And we want in on the North American paradigm.

And because we're closer than Canada, they swarmed into the United States, which I have no problem with.

If they come legally, They come with skill sets, they take the effort to learn the English language, and they assimilate, integrate, and intermarry.

But when you bring that many people in

and they're not diverse,

and they don't speak English, and they don't have high school diplomas, and they don't have capital, and they don't have legality, and there's no background checks, and you put them among a host, i.e.

us, who no longer believes in the singularity of Western civilization.

or of American culture and civilization and feels that they don't have the right or indeed the knowledge to imprint on on the immigrant.

This is the American way.

You speak English.

If you want to come here, we didn't ask you to come here, but if you come here, you learn English immediately.

You be self-sufficient immediately.

You learn about the Declaration, the Constitution.

You know what the 4th of July is.

Wave your Mexican flag, do whatever you want, speak Spanish in your home.

But when you're in the public square, you're an American.

We don't do that.

And so what we do do is when I look at six and a half million entries, I say to myself,

well, they're going to meet a host that has no confidence in their own civilization.

They're going to meet a host that's going to

exude generosity and public entitlements.

And they're going to get a squad-Al Sharpton-this is a horrible racist country.

The moment you step across the border, you have legitimate grievances about your new host, and your kids and you are immediately eligible for affirmative action, racial preferences, set-asides, diversity, equity, inclusion, because you left a wonderful paradise of a different paradigm that is so much better than ours.

You just left it for, I don't know why you would do it, but you did, and now you went into hell.

And we're going to help you.

That's the attitude.

It's not going to work.

No,

it's not going to work.

Every time, you know, I've,

it's insidious.

I

taught for 21 years and the majority of my students were Mexican-American, wonderful students.

But I would have students that would come from Mexico and were still not legal.

And

I had a famous conversation.

I think I mentioned it to you once.

Well, I had a very bright student, and I went out during the 187 protests, and they were burning the flag.

And he was participating.

I said to him, why in the world?

I just walked over there.

I said, out of class.

I said, why?

I won't mention his name.

You may hear about it.

I said, why in the world are you burning the flag of the country you under no circumstances want to leave?

And over here, you've got a Mexican flag and they're waving the flag of the country under no circumstances

you won't go back to.

Just explain that to me.

And he couldn't, could not explain.

And then he started telling me all the bad things about America that he'd learned.

And I said, wait a minute.

You came in my class three years ago.

You had only been in the United States 10 years.

I spent 10 independent studies with you.

You were a brilliant student.

You got free tuition.

You were not a legal citizen.

You were here illegally, and yet you got in-state tuition.

In other words, you got preference at one-third the cost of a U.S.

student in my class from Utah.

And you were not even an American.

He is.

But he paid three times more as an American to go to a California university than you did as a non-American, and we're here illegally.

And you've had all the benefits of America.

And I'm spending more time with you than any of my other students because you're so bright.

And all you can do is go out and participate in burning a flag of your own, this country.

Don't come and see me until you can get that straight.

That's what I told him.

Yeah.

Well, just to make it add worse to bad,

it seems to me that if you look at the pictures of those coming across, they seem to be 15 to 30-year-old male and not a whole lot of females and children.

So I don't think there's families.

And why is that?

That's why, because I think any woman, a family, if you had a family, would you bring your wife and little children with that group when they're bringing in drugs?

They're criminals.

There's all sorts of people coming across.

There's no audit.

Just yesterday, they published all the people they had come across.

There was a sex offender.

There were felons.

There were fentanyl.

You don't want your family around those people.

There's incidences of rape and sexual assault.

Donald Trump was hated because one of the first things he said is Mexico is not necessarily sending its best.

Nope.

Well, I think he meant by that the people who were educated, had incomes, had homes, and were welcoming the other people.

Another thing that's I have to be very careful, but another, there's another subtext here.

And I've been to Mexico a few times, and I remember the earlier generations of immigrants.

They were largely from northern Mexico and across the border.

And when I was in grammar school, and most of the people were

from Mexico, they would have all sorts of, you know,

festivals and they would talk and they'd go back to Mexico and

et cetera, et cetera.

But when you talk to them, they were,

you would talk to them: where are you from?

I'm from Durango.

Oh, where are you from?

I'm from Hermoseillo.

I'm from Sonora.

I'm from Sonora, Victor.

I'm from Nogales.

I'm from Chihuahua.

And

some of them would be from Durango, right?

And then I started to notice something.

The last 25 years,

no, they were from Michokan,

or they were from Guerrero or Puebla or Oaxaca, mostly.

In other words, they were all the way down, and Chiapas was a big one.

A lot of people from Chiapas and Oaxaca.

So, what am I getting at is that

as you go south of Mexico City, you get a larger indigenous population that's much more impoverished and exploited and victims of racism because there's a lot higher degree of indigenous people that have less of Spanish assimilation.

So, what I'm saying is that it's very,

you're welcoming in the poorest of the poor from Mexico who have been subject to enormous discrimination.

And that's why if you go into Central Valley towns, you'll see Michokan or Oaxaca

bakeries, or when you go into the bank, or when you go into a food store, you'll start to see some people

who will not quite speak Spanish.

And the clerk will look at you.

You know,

this happened to me about three months ago.

The clerk looked at me and I said, don't look at me.

You speak fluent Spanish.

She said, this person doesn't.

And it's, you know what I mean?

It would be like an Irish brogue to such a degree, you couldn't understand it.

So

it's different.

And these are very different types of immigrants.

They're much poorer.

They have a lot more claims on social services to achieve parity.

than the prior immigrations.

And you can tell, because when you see a third generation immigrant from from northern Mexico, they often feel baffled or they're not quite sure.

It's kind of the difference between Eastern Europeans and Western Europeans.

And there's some very good things when people are very poor and they're very desperate, they're enormous.

I mean, I can see people from Oaxaca.

You put a lot of those workers out in a field on a roof or painting or they're extremely hard workers.

But they have a lot more obstacles for full assimilation as American resident or citizen.

And that's another thing we don't talk about.

And,

you know, it's,

I, I was not too long ago with a Mexican-American friend, and he just said, that person, that person, that person, that person's from Oaxaca.

I said, how do you know that?

And he just named, you know, this person has a long

woven ponytail down to her.

This person is of this height or this weight or this.

And they could tell.

And this person speaks Spanish or this, this way.

It's a very distinct type of immigration that's occurring now.

And it's being encouraged.

And I'm not saying it's bad or good or more advantageous or less, just more difficult.

And it presents a lot more challenges.

And it's occurring with the promotion actively of a racist Mexico City government.

Mexico City has deliberately neglected Chiapas

and Oaxaca and Michokan.

They have neglected the people there, and they want those people to immigrate to the United States instead of being grains on the entitlement budget of Mexico City.

They see them as earners for rare

foreign currency by sending remittances.

And it's completely contrived and aided.

And that's Donald Trump, to his credit, saw that.

And he told Oberdor, you keep doing it, and you're not going to have any of your trade concessions from NAFTA.

And Oberdor, you know, bitched and moaned, but then he showed something that we all know: that when you're tough and fair,

you're treated better.

And when you're weak and obsequious, like Biden, they treat you like dirt.

And that's what they do now.

Yeah.

And with that, Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and come back and talk a little bit about the U.S.

debt.

We'll be right back.

Welcome back, Victor.

So the debt is also in the news this week because the House has its

budget that it wants to put forward, and it has said it will agree to a debt ceiling increase if there will be spending cuts.

And so they seem to be fighting over this.

Joe Biden, I guess, is going to veto it if they ask for spending cuts.

Who wins this standoff here, which seems to be what the case is?

The House says this is how it's going to be, and the president says, I'm not going to, I need the increase in the debt ceiling, but I'm not going to go with the spending cuts.

Who wins?

Well, usually when you shut, it depends on who blinks, but usually when you shut down the government, then people can't get their Social Security checks or their Medicare or whatever.

And that's a loser.

So, Kevin McCarthy, and it's also a loser to keep going what we're doing.

McCarthy's argument is

the toll is coming due.

This government has printed so much money that even if you want to borrow $2 trillion like Biden is doing, the economy can't withstand it anymore.

We've got, we had up to 9%.

Even this month, it's 5%.

Everybody thinks, well, so what?

Well, that's 5%

on top of another last year's 5%.

So prices have gone up about 15 or 20% since he took office.

And it's not sustainable anymore it's 130 percent of gdp is what we owe eight seven to eight trillion of it is to foreign bondholders of the 33 trillion dollars and we've got inflation and we have banks failing and we had this transition from a decade of zero which is really negative interest to 7% on 30-year mortgages.

And a whole bunch of banks have a lot of mortgage mortgage debt that they only get, what, 2.5%,

2.9%.

And they don't have enough 7% mortgages to make up the difference.

And they've got to pay to be competitive 4% or 5% on their passbooks that are, you know,

held for a year or so.

And they can't do it.

And everybody's got, and everybody says, well, the house prices will go down.

They're not going down because the people in them are not selling like they would.

So if you've got a house right now and it's worth $500,000 and it's got a 30-year 2.9 mortgage,

if you tell,

you sell it and you say to the seller, the buyer, well, just assume my mortgage from the bank.

The bank's not going to do that.

Not going to do that.

The person who sells the house is going to have to buy a new house unless he dies and he's going to have to pay what?

7%.

So he thinks about that.

And the person buying the house will have to pay 7%.

So the market market is static.

People are not selling or buying.

They're just holding and holding and holding and wondering what's going to happen.

Is interest going to go up or down?

They don't know.

It depends on the economy.

But I have a feeling that the economy is, we're headed for a big recession.

Yes.

And it's, and you know what?

The Democrat,

I really admire Kevin McCarthy.

He's, he, he, he met with Biden three months ago.

So he knows that he can't shut the, the government down unilaterally and not get hurt by it.

But he's telling Biden, why don't you just stop the $2 trillion?

But he's going uphill because

this is the problem that when the millennium started, George W.

Bush increased the debt.

He almost doubled it.

He didn't quite double it, but he almost did by deficit spending.

And then Barack Obama came in and said that Bush used, what did he say?

He just charged thing with a Chinese credit card.

Remember that?

Yes, I do.

George Bush came in here and you just

borrow like a Chinese, and then he doubled it.

He did double it.

And then Trump came in, and you can argue that COVID required a lot of inflationary

policies and Keynesian

protocols, but even in 2017 and 18, we didn't balance the budget.

We didn't get anywhere close.

So Republicans who were were supposed to be tight-fisted and physical conservatives lost their credibility.

So, Democrats basically said,

When you guys are president, spend all you want.

We love it.

You're doing all we want.

We're really inflating the economy.

We're getting bigger government.

And more importantly,

you're losing all credibility.

So, when we get back in and spend even more than you do, you have no credibility.

If you try to shut down the government, we're just going to remind everybody what spendthrift you were.

And so it's kind of like,

you know, it's a duel.

Each guy has a gun to his head, and everybody knows that you have to stop spending.

You got to go something back to something like the Smith-Bowles, you know, that

Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles idea that you were going to have just three tax credit, three tax brackets, and there was going to be very few deductions, and

it was going to be simplified, and you're going to have to cut cut this and freeze that.

And it would have worked.

We would have been in a ballot budget.

If you look at that, when that was proposed by Obama, of course, he rejected it as soon as they came back.

We would have been right now in a balanced budget.

But it didn't happen.

And

so, as we've talked before, if we keep doing this, If you go back to the Roman Republic or the Venetian Republic or crisis in Britain, the 19th century, or you look at what the French Revolution, there are ways to get out of it.

You can either inflate the currency and pay back like the Germans did with Reichmarks in 1923.

They paid back their indemnities.

They paid them back, but they paid them back with worthless marks and ruined their economy.

You can renounce the debt.

You can just say, well, we owe $33 trillion.

We'll pay the $7 trillion off for foreign holders because that's our reputation.

But we're going to pass a law that says if you have a net worth of $5 million, you can stand and get a bullet in the head.

We're not going to pay you.

And they have some precedent.

Remember the Chrysler bailout under Obama where

it went bankrupt and they had all the list of creditors?

They gave all their friends,

they put them to the head of the line, union pension funds, medical funds, union retirement.

And the people who had the actual paper took the hit.

So they can just say, well, you know what?

Yeah, I know you have some T-bills, and the government owes you some money, but anybody who's worth over this amount of money,

sorry, it's defaulted, can do that.

And then they can say, Well, and then you'll say, Well, I'm never going to buy a government bond.

Well, what else are you going to buy?

Banks are closing, or they can do this.

And this was proposed,

floated during the Obama period.

If you have a huge 401k over this amount of money, we can give you credit for Social Security years.

So we'll take $100,000 of your money and then give you one year or two years of Social Security credit.

They could do that.

So there's ways to get around this, but it requires the government lying and stealing.

But that's not new.

And you can see where it's going, to be frank.

Just think we had that Colorado city council woman.

Did you see her the other day?

She said that basically Indigenous people and people who were brown and black were paying an extra surcharge tax, I guess

called racism, and therefore white businesses should pay more than they do.

And then we, California, the Reparations Committee, just

commission just recommended 800 billion, billion, twice the budget of the entire state.

so that eight generations ago they may or may not have had slaves and their family and then they're going to be paid by people who eight generations ago may or may not.

But because we're an immigrant state and we were never a slave state, almost nobody has a relative in California that had slaves, and they're going to pay for that.

And then we have this new PG ⁇ E, Southern California Edison proposal that passed the legislature that your power bill will be based on how much you make.

not how much you use in part.

So we're already floating all of these socialist ideas because we're broke.

And it's kind of what Obama had said in that 2008 campaign.

I want to spread the world.

It seems like socialism is just coming on, whether we like it or not.

It's here in all of its manifestation.

It's not just financial.

When they abolish the SAT score or they abolish ranking high school grades,

you go to the Menlo School and you get an A, or you go to Parliament High School and you get an A and they're the same thing.

I'm sorry.

Or if you apply for, if you're down in Hollywood, you're going to have a quota of how many

movies can be made with this particular racial component.

That's socialism of a different sort, but socialism.

And it's a war.

That's really, really, of all the things that scare me about this country, the border, the defunding, the crime, the energy, it's the destruction of merit that is the most scary.

Because that, you can see what will happen.

You get so many incompetents,

And then they will find when you promote somebody, hire somebody, tenure somebody who didn't earn it according to the existing criteria that's fair, then that's not the end of it.

That's the beginning.

Then they're going to come up with an entire exegesis about how they really, really did deserve the job.

Yes, I'm an air traffic controller.

Yes, I have no pilot previous experience.

Yes, I didn't score as high as as the other people.

But I'm just, I'm, there was bias and I enjoy this job.

Now, if I've screwed up on the runway, it's because of this, not because of me.

And that's how it works when all across the fields.

Okay, you are scaring me, Victor Davis Hamlet.

You should be scared.

We're coming to the end of our podcast here.

You should be scared because remember what the 90s was.

Every time you read some conservative or right-wing guy lambasting the absurdities of affirmative action, they always said this,

to show you how much contempt they have for higher education or schools.

They're using us as lab experiments or the federal government or the post office.

They would never do it with air traffic controllers.

They would never do it with nuclear plant operators.

They would never do it with neurosurgery.

Yes, they would.

And they are doing it.

They are doing it.

Now, they won't, maybe,

you know, Mark Zuckerberg's not going to live next to a nuclear power plant, or he's going to make sure that the guys in his cockpit on his Citation 10 or Gulfstream 4 or whatever it is.

Are straight out of the military.

Yes, they're military combat pilots.

Or, you know,

if he needs to get his head cracked open and have a meningioma taken out, he's going to have somebody that has done 5,000 of them.

So, but you,

Mr.

American citizen, no, you're going to, you're going to have a different America to contend with.

You're going to go into the pot and see what comes out of it for you.

So, all right.

Well, Victor, we're at the end of the you're going to be in Libya.

You're going to be in Libya.

First thing I did when I got off the plane in 2006 in Libya, first thing I did was

I could smell refineries and I saw, you know, all the oil was one of the biggest oil producers.

And on the way to the airport this little Russian car went into a pothole I don't mean a pothole American style I mean a meteoric crater

where the whole part of the car that I was sitting in hit it must have been three feet deep and we all had to get out and pick up the car not very heavy and get it out and I said to the driver who spoke some English, I thought you guys were making your big oil exporters.

And he said, yes, we are.

And I said, well, don't you make asphalt, which, by the way, is a Greek word from spallow, not trip.

It's a non-trippable material, a alpha primative.

So asphalt, something that you use so you don't trip.

So anyway, I said, well,

asphalt should be almost free.

He said, not in Libya, not in Libya.

I said, what do you mean, not in Libya?

And he said, nobody knows anything in Libya.

Nobody knows anything in Libya.

That's what he told me.

All right.

Well, with that,

I think your dogs have started barking.

So they're calling an end to the show.

So thanks to everybody for listening to us today.

This has been the Friday News Roundup with Victor Davis Hansen and Sammy Wink.

And Victor, did you have anything else?

No.

Thanks, everybody, for listening.

All right.

Victor Davis Hansen and Sammy Wink, and we're signing off.