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I like the idea that you use the word sober and judicious.

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And

he taught first-year graduate wheat composition.

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And I took one.

And I...

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write that in Greek.

But my point is that I did that once, and he wrote on my paper, very sober and judicious performance, Mr.

Hansen.

And every time I saw him, I'd say, you know, when you're that age, you're whiny, and I'd say, you know what?

I am really tired of taking these exams and, you know, writing Greek and Latin.

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Press on, lad.

Sober and judicious.

I never knew that was a compliment.

I thought it was, you know,

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It is coming from me, and it is coming from your professor, it sounds like.

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So, Victor, yes, I would like to see if we could start out today with some good news because I know that your listeners and I have been watching the news and it's getting a little bit dicey and scary, if I can put it that way.

But what's the good news?

I think the good news is that,

you know, that scene in Das Boot where Jürgen Proctano, is that how you pronounce it?

He has been at the bottom of the Mediterranean.

I know that they're Nazis, but they're anti-Nazi Germans in the movie, at least.

And when they finally figure out how to get back up, he opens the...

the hatch and he's on the Mediterranean.

They're going to blast through

the inland strait, you know, at the pillars of Hercules, so to speak.

And he says, not yet, not yet.

And he's, you know, you didn't get us yet.

And he's screaming and then he's really happy.

That's what I feel like today.

I feel like they have done everything.

And that, I mean, it's not directed just against Trump, of course.

Trump was their lightning rod, and his excesses perhaps elicited an inordinate response that would have been more severe than what will, but, you know, what they did to Dick Cheney or George Bush or DeSantis now.

But the point I'm making is that

they impeached this president twice, never happened.

They tried him as a private citizen, never happened.

They raided this house, never happened.

They indicted a ex-president and

a current presidential candidate leading in the polls.

I say that leading the polls now, he's leading in the primary and the general election polls, both against DeSantis, whom I have an enormous regard for,

and

against Biden, who I have enormous disregard for.

But my point is that with all of that and all the things we've seen-the weaponization of the FBI, Andrew McCabe lying under oath, James Comey feigning amnesia, the weaponization of Lois Lerner and the IRS, the Merrick Garland, the DOJ,

the Brennan pathological liar to Congress on two occasions, the CIA former CIA director.

I don't think they have support.

I really do.

I think

they understand that they're Jacobins, they're Bolsheviks, and they're a minority party, and that none, none, none of their agendas have 51% because the American people are sick of it.

They don't like the destruction of female sports.

Women did so much to get equity in Title IX and then just have a bunch of biological males play victim and destroy the whole concept concept of female sports.

I don't think that's going to stand.

I really don't.

I don't think that drag shows are going to be institutionalized.

Everybody says it's a performance art.

It has nothing to sex.

And every time you go on the internet and you download a drown,

you look at the news story, there's some type of sexual simulation in front of people who are under the age of 18.

And I don't think they're going to

stand for

the censorship, the council code.

I think they're sick of war.

And I think,

I don't know what this catalyst was, but I think people are starting to wake up and they're saying, you know what?

This is 1793.

This is 1918.

This is a cultural revolution.

These people want us out.

They want us nullified.

They want us or worse.

And I just say that, just looking at that demonstration in front of the Trump trial, you know, when you look at the two sides, the one side was kind of boisterous, but

they weren't obscene.

They weren't yelling F you.

They weren't trying to fight somebody.

That journalist was trying to pick on and said, I'm going to kill you.

And then they didn't have politicians in the crowd.

They don't take over the Tennessee legislature when they don't get their way.

They don't storm into the Texas legislature.

They don't go to the Supreme Court.

homes and people say, you know what?

We don't do that, but we're sick and tired of you who do it.

And the idea that you're going to expect us to lay over and roll dead in the 233rd year of this republic and hand it over to you, you're insane.

It's not going to happen.

You can call me any word name in the book.

Call me a transphobe, call me a homophobe, call me a sexist, call me a racist, call me a nativist.

You name it.

It means nothing to me.

We're going to fight to keep the country, which is a multiracial but singular cultural United States.

And I think that,

I think they've really overreached.

They have poked a sleeping dragon.

I'm not talking about an old angry white group.

I'm talking about a multiracial group of people that have come too far to hand this country over to a bunch of bicostal pampered elites.

So

I'm optimistic.

I really do.

I think that something is going on right now.

And I think everybody, according to their station, has to make sure they participate in the political process.

One vote,

one senator, 51, 49 is not going to do it in the next election.

Seven House seats are not going to do it.

You need 50 House seats.

You need five, six senator majority.

You need the presidency.

And then you need to tell the Rhino people, this is war.

And you've got to get conservative, traditional, judicial appointments, and you're going to have to stay in lockstep and if you can't do it get out of the way and let somebody else lead because i think it's too late yeah your marcus of queensbury will you're reminding yeah what's that yeah you're reminding me of um we're going to talk about it in our cultural um

cultural episode for saturday but you're reminding me that in chicago they

elected a new mayor who is still Democratic in Wisconsin.

They're singing the praises of their new judge, who is

a liberal one and makes

three out of four judges.

No, that's going to be bad news because the first thing she's going to do is change the balloting laws.

And

i.e.,

Wisconsin was a purple state and often a red state because it had ballot integrity and it's going to be lost.

In Chicago,

the

moderate, I shouldn't say that, the liberal Democrat lost to the insane Democrat.

But

it was very close.

And the reason that these,

you've got to remember, Sammy, the reason that Elise Zeldon loses or

the Republicans and conservatives can't get elected is people are leaving those cities and states.

They're just leaving them behind.

And when you look at the North Carolina or the Tennessee or the Florida or the Texas legislatures,

they're very red.

And the reason is that people are saying,

I can't deal with these people anymore.

I do not like to pay these high taxes and get substandard services and infrastructure.

And I don't like to be insulted.

I'm not stupid.

To quote Joe Biden, remember what he said?

I might be, they say I might be Irish or a white boy, or did he say both?

And I might be, but I'm not stupid.

But I think he said white boy.

Yeah, Yeah, right.

Yeah.

Well, he's he is a white boy and he is stupid, but not everybody is.

And what I'm getting at is I think that

it's two things.

In a way, I have different, I have

ambiguous views of it because under our federalist system where the states have autonomy and you're free to go and that's great.

But what's happening is

here in California, we're losing fighters because they're all leaving, 500,000 of them in the last 18 months.

And that means we've rendered the entire state to these insane people in the legislature.

And they don't even represent their own constituencies in some cases.

And so

you're going to have, if this present trend continues, you're going to have vibrant economies.

and balanced budgets and good infrastructure and safe streets and about geographically about 90%

of the country.

And population-wise, I think you'll get up to about 55%.

And then you're going to have bankruptcies, pension collapses, and what you see in San Francisco, where they've declared basically asked for federal disaster help with 30 to 40% vacancy rate in downtown.

Just six years ago, I walked it, five or six years ago, I used to go up there a lot.

And you couldn't believe the rent.

There were studio apartments for $4,000 a month.

You couldn't rent a business.

It was booming.

And they completely destroyed it, they being the left.

They destroyed it.

They just said, you know what?

How do you destroy San Francisco?

Hmm.

Well, you tell everybody in the United States it's a warm climate.

We pay for homelessness.

Come on.

And then you let people inject and defecate and urinate and fornicate in the streets and you don't dare say don't.

And then you

get somebody like Gascon or

Chelsea Boudin or whoever they are, and you let criminals out, and then you demonize the hardworking taxpayer, professional, and entrepreneurial class.

And voila, you can do it in about three years.

Well, Victor, let's go back to Trump because we really haven't talked too much about his indictment.

It appears that Alvin Bragg is charging him with a bookkeeping error and apparent crime that he's unwilling to explain what the crime is.

And so it seems like

while

they are charging him with covering up, I expect that it'll be covering up info that voters needed to know.

And I think me and I think I and all of your listeners probably think, well, what politician hasn't given hush money to somebody to just keep it away?

But what are your thoughts on these?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

Well, I mean, you're you're supposed to that was the the bill of particulars was the indictment there was no bill of particulars he just took one indictment that

he

claimed that it was a business expense

uh the money that went to my a legal expense excuse me and it was i mean michael cohen's a lawyer so he gave him money and he did what lawyers do he went to a person was making allegations and he got her to say that the that he didn't didn't have a relationship with her.

I don't know whether he did or not.

And that was successful.

And then all of a sudden, he ran for president.

This was 16 years ago.

And all of a sudden, she re-emerged and tried to peddle her story.

And

he told people, don't buy it, please.

I have a non-disclosure agreement with her.

She's lying.

And she said she's lying.

And Michael Cohen said she was lying.

And all of a sudden, the Trump hysteria came.

And then he flipped because

they pressured him.

And he flipped and turned state evidence and said it was, you know, it was a, and we ended up with what, a misdemeanor bookkeeping.

It's kind of like Hillary Clinton, remember, Sammy?

What did she do?

She not only destroyed subpoena devices and emails, felony one, she not only transmitted classified information over a homebrew sewer server, felony two,

she not only hired a foreign national as a campaign employee in a presidential race, Felony III,

but she hid the payment to Christopher Steele, $300,000 or more,

by the DNC, by Perkins-Coey, and by Fusion GPS, and she listed it as what?

Legal expense.

And she was fined by the Federal Election Committee.

Okay, Commission.

So that's what we do.

And James Comey said that, you know, she was probably guilty of these things, but it didn't rate no prosecutor

I think he was not a prosecutor, so he shouldn't have been.

He had been a former one, but he shouldn't have weighed in on that.

It wasn't his purview.

But nonetheless, there was no bill of particulars, and it was a misdemeanor, even if it was a bookkeeping mistake, calling it legal expenses.

But it's only a felony if that is used to hide a greater crime.

So, what was the greater crime?

Apparently,

it was not reporting to the Federal Election Commission

that there was an embarrassing matter that he paid and therefore it should have been reported.

But that's a federal offense, and the Federal Election Committee looked into it.

So, how can he, a

New York prosecutor, municipal prosecutor, how can he go in and start, you know,

if

somebody in Fresno, California shoots somebody, the local DA can't say, oh, you know, he violated that person's civil rights.

I'm going to

file a federal statute indictment against him.

You can't do that.

We know that.

And there's

the statute of limitations and all of these things.

But that's not the point, is it?

The point is to do the following, to tie Donald Trump up.

He gave a good speech at Marlborough.

I don't think it was intended nor would it be successful.

to convince the magical 3% to 5% of the electorate that he lost in 2020, and which he needs and which any Republican who is nominated needs.

That's not the point.

The point was it wasn't crazy.

It was dispassionate.

He'll probably get a gag order because the judge had warned him not to attack prosecutors and he called them all sorts of names, okay, crooked, et cetera.

So what I'm getting at is that this is the very beginning, and we're going to see these psychodramas repeated again and again and again.

There's going to be motions to dismiss.

There's going to be walls are closing in, bombshell, Mueller investigation type hysterias.

There's going to be legal expenses.

There's going to be all this.

This is going to go on.

And then we're going to go into round two with this crazy Georgia prosecutor who, as we see from the grand jury, crazy spokesman, it was all slanted as well over a phone call.

I need to find 15,000 votes, i.e., there's 15,000 at least that were fraudulent.

Can you look into it?

That's not go make 15,000 go.

I think that case is even weaker.

And then we go into round three with what?

The Mar-Lago raid.

They think this is a special counsel.

This is much more.

I don't think so.

I think you're going to say, you're going to indict Donald Trump for a dispute with the National Archives people.

when he had the ability to declassify information and he was negotiating with them and they were in lock and key and you raided his home with armed FBI agents at the time when Joe Biden, for six years, knowingly took out documents that were classified when he had no such authority to declassify them as vice president, and he sloppily and promiscuously put them in his car garage, his library, another room.

He won't let you look at Delaware,

at the University of Delaware's think tank or whatever that crazy thing was.

And then

we're supposed to believe that that's equitable and symmetrical when there was no FBI raid.

And he let his lawyers without classified

the status to look at classified documents handle the investigation in concert with the FBI.

I don't think so.

I don't think people are going to stand for that.

So I think the point instead, Sammy, to conclude this windy rant is that for the next year and a half, all the way to Election Day, the left that coordinates this with the media believes that they're going to tie him up with these ridiculous indictments, and they're going to hemorrhage him, and that's going to give him a lot of empathy.

And the polls in the short term suggest that that's worked like clockwork, but he's soared up ahead of not just Nikki Haley and Pompeo, but DeSantis too.

And then he's going to be hemorrhaging and they're going to put gag orders and they're going to restrict his ability to speak out in the campaign and they're going to threaten to jail him and they're going to go back and this is going to detract and people are going to say who are the three to five percent that will decide the election

what was that scene scene uh in true go mount sammy did you see that movie was the guy's name elliot when he went into

session

into the oh and he was in the elevator and he said somebody come and save me from this make it all go away or something yes yes so that's what

that's what the three to five percent are going to say they're going to collapse on their living room floors, put their hands over their ears and go, make it go away.

I can't take it any longer.

And that's the design, isn't it?

That's what the left wants to do.

And I guess, you know what?

That's what they're going to do.

That's the whole point.

Yeah, I think it is.

But I was thinking that, you know, it's such a weak case that what they're really doing is pitting citizen against citizen, and it's just causing a more divided polity in the United States.

You mean like

is that just fallout from what they're doing or what they plan to do?

No, they want to do it.

That's what all Bolsheviks do.

They try to create tensions and crises.

That's as soon as we had the COVID lockdown, which they just wanted so badly, Gavin Newsom said, We're going to have a more progressive capitalism when we get out of this.

And remember Hillary Clinton said, we're going to have single-payer health care.

It was Ron Emmanuel all over about the 2008 crisis.

Never let a major crisis go to waste.

So they don't function well in calm times.

They only function well in perceived crisis.

And what made this country go insane?

Because it is insane.

It was the trifecta of the COVID epidemic where we were told millions would die.

Million did die.

And then there was the crazy lockdowns.

And then there was 120 days of exempt and excused rioting, arson, killing, violence, arson, everything.

And all of that made the country go crazy.

And I think that's where we ended up.

And that's what they wanted.

And this 10 to 15 to 20 percent of hardcore country people are citizens, hardcore leftists.

What do they want?

They want to change the process because they have no confidence in their agenda.

Do they?

They don't believe that, well, we're going to open the borders and let 7 million people.

That's going to make everybody happy.

No, it's not even going to make people in Martha's Vineyard happy.

Well, we're going to cut back on oil by 2 million barrels and that'll make everybody.

No, they don't like to pay $5 a gallon for gas.

Well, we're going to tell those Saudis that they're corrupt and we have nothing to do with it.

Oh, no, that was really stupid.

They're going to bring the Iranians into their orbit.

And then we got a lot of oil producers and a nuclear Iran to look.

forward to.

Well, we're going to go and just give them a blank check in Ukraine.

No, we're dealing with a nuclear nutty Putin, and we're right on its doorstep.

Well, we're going to spend and we're going to borrow $4 trillion and just let everybody have a holiday and keep giving it.

No, we're going to get 8% inflation.

And then to stop the 8%,

we're going to get 7%, 8%, and higher interest rate.

Well, then we're going to have woke and we're going to have diversity, equity, inclusion, and we're going to go back to, you know, your race is essential to who you are, not incidental.

And we're not a single culture, we're a multiculture.

No, you unleash the demons.

And to quote Chuck Schumer, you sowed the wind, you're going to reap the whirlwind.

You created a Yugoslavia.

And once you start going tribal, everybody goes tribal.

Just like, as I said before, nuclear proliferation.

Once one country goes nuclear, everybody for deterrence goes nuclear.

They haven't seen that yet.

But when you have people outside of the Trump courthouse, you have that large African-American journalist, and he goes over to another journalist and says, I'm going to kill you.

And then you have that woman dancing in whiteface, saying that, you know, I think what Trump said about Bragg was unnecessary.

Called him an, I think you called him a wild animal.

I don't know what.

Animal is the word.

You shouldn't have said that, but she said, I'm an animal and I'm white.

You know,

it was all racialized.

The mayor was racialized when he taunted Marjorie Taylor Greene, the alderman or the human rights advocate, or whoever it was, was out there.

It was all racialized.

And if you keep doing that, and we'll talk about that later, then you're going to get a tribal reaction.

And that's going, it's not just going to be white against black.

It's going to be a Hobbesian

bellum omnia contra omnes, a war of everybody against everybody.

So what I'm getting at is all of these issues, people don't like.

They don't like watching, looking at that inventory in Afghanistan that's going to go to Putin probably.

They don't like it.

And they know they don't like it.

And they know they won't stop so they need a crisis and that's why they always at the end get down to process we can't win an election if 70 people vote 70 of the people vote on election day so 70 percent are not going to vote on election day we're going to call anybody a racist who asks for increased audit that's just racist and we're going to if we don't get our way we're going to get rid of the filibuster we get the majority we don't get our way we're going to get rid of the electoral college we don't get our way we're going to pack the court we don't get our way we're going to bring in two

two more new states with them for senators.

We don't get our way,

we're going to circumvent the Constitution of a national

voting law that destroys the state's prerogative.

We don't get our way, we're going to tear up the state of the union.

We don't get our way, we're going to deny the minority leader committee assignments.

We don't get our way, we're going to impeach the president twice, and we're going to try him as a private citizen, and we're going to raid his house.

And that's how they operate.

And it's predicated, Sammy, on what?

It's predicated on we don't care if we don't have a majority.

We have Hollywood.

We have movies.

We have K through 12.

We got your kids during the day.

We got the academic world.

We got Stanford Law School.

We've got the corporate.

And we have that middling voter.

They have the middling voter who they've convinced that their agenda is the nice guy agenda and you're not a racist if you follow them.

Yes.

That's who they have.

But how do they have that?

They have that because

they have Disneyland.

They have cable news.

They have network news.

They have the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Washington Post, they have NPR, they have PBS, they have television programming, they have professional sports, they have the NFL, they have the NBA, they have the Tony's, they have everything.

That's what I'm getting at.

The internet.

But they don't have to.

They don't have 51% of the people.

So they need a crisis, don't they?

Or they need to change the process is what I'm saying.

If you had an election in 2020

in which 70%, as they usually do in most states, voted in person, they would have lost.

They would have lost.

Or if you hadn't had $430 million injected by one person,

Mark Zuckerberg, to appropriate the work of the registrars in key precincts, they would have lost, I think.

Or if they didn't change the voting laws in Pennsylvania and Michigan, by, you know, when I say change the voting laws, I'm saying basically

they allowed third-party vote harvesting, or the names didn't have to match the registrars in some states, or they allowed one name rather than both names or no signature,

or California had

10 million ballots that were mailed out.

We'd have no idea where they were.

So that's what they do.

Do we expect more of that or less of that in the next election?

Less of that in 2024, you think, or more?

More, because we're getting down now to the nitty-gritty where people are saying, you know, we've had four years of Joe Biden.

And

their supporters say, you know what?

We beat Barack Obama's eight years.

He talked a great game, but did he destroy the border?

We did.

Did he destroy energy autonomy and independence?

No, we did.

Did he humiliate us abroad and pull in our horns like we deserve?

No, we did.

Did he create a racialized country where we're all going to be at each other's throat and we're all victims?

No, but he didn't, but we did.

Did

he allow people to empty the jails and to make felonies misdemeanors and misdemeanors infractions and infractions nothing?

Nope, we did.

So they're high.

They think they've done a lot in two years to ruin the country.

And so this is going to be, and a lot of people are saying, you know what, they did ruin the country.

And San Francisco is unlivable by their own admission.

I can't go.

Anybody who wants to walk on the million-dollar mile on a Saturday night in Chicago is insane.

When I go to Washington, D.C., and it's a Saturday night and I have to do something, I don't walk outside.

New York did all that.

I drove down to Los Angeles.

I went down on a Friday afternoon or Thursday afternoon, Friday afternoon.

There was nobody there.

It looked like, you know, the walking dead.

There was nobody there.

That beautiful downtown that

was the great Renaissance achievement of the 1990s is dead.

They're toxic.

They have the on Mitas touch.

Everything they touch, they destroy.

And

so it's going to be a big stakes election.

And I think a lot of people are going to come out to vote.

The question will be, is process, process, process.

Will the conservatives wake up and start, you know, right now trying to get voter ID so that people have to actually be the person who votes and show ID?

Will they have people monitor the election?

Will their legal team stop these blitzes?

Will they expose what Mark Zuckerberg and the Silicon Valley technocrats are going to do?

That's the question.

We're going to be viligent on that.

Everybody according to their station.

Yeah.

Well, Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and come back and we'll talk about the

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Well, Victor,

the international scene is getting pretty chaotic.

And so I was wondering if you could sort of give us a landscape view of all of the chaos that we're seeing.

Internationally?

Yes, internationally.

Internationally?

OPEC cutting.

Yeah.

I think

we are fiddling.

Our foreign policy in the world is burning.

If you take a little quick panoramic view,

we are on the doorstep of

some type of breakthrough this year.

In other words, when I mean breakthrough, I don't mean a dramatic win or loss by Ukraine or Russia, but an exhaustion.

Ukraine has lost probably 150,000 dead, 120,000 to 150,000.

Russia is probably over 200,000.

The combined wounded is 500,000.

The economies are being destroyed.

And I don't know whether this will lead to the breakup of the Russian Federation.

I don't know whether Ukraine will be left a Verdun deathscape.

but the longer this goes on, the scarier it gets.

Japan has already defected like India has from the sanctions.

We're going to be in a big oil crisis this summer with Saudi Arabia cutting back its oil, with the other, as I said, the other groups, and with Joe Biden cutting back our own.

I guess he'll go back to draining the petroleum oil reserve, but it's a reserve, so it's finite.

And when you look at China, we just learned, Sammy, that

they pretty pretty much lied completely, just outlied, lied, the Biden administration.

Milley lied, Biden lied, Lincoln lied, Sullivan lied.

They all lied.

They said that there was really no substantial surveillance, no advantage gained by this balloon that they came to their attention.

No, they had it all over the United States.

It was surveilling all of our bases, our sensitive sites, and they did nothing, nothing, nothing.

And they lied about that.

And China has basically said to us now, Wuhan lab,

gain of function,

leak, we don't care.

Million Americans dead.

That's your problem.

We're not going to even talk about it.

Shut up.

And balloon, we send a balloon and we surveill yours and your country and we got all this valuable information.

Don't try it against us.

But so what?

What are you going to do about it?

That's their attitude.

And so they have absolute contempt.

And that's dangerous.

I'm not trying to be braggadashi, you know, talking in bragadashi terms or saber-rattling because it's dangerous.

I'm worried that it's dangerous because we don't have any deterrence left.

And we have created,

we, the Biden administration, they managed to do the impossible.

They brought Iran.

and Saudi Arabia and by extension, Kuwait and the other Gulf kingdoms in an alliance with

Iran.

And that alliance, Iran, remember, right now, is going to be producing drones under license in Russia.

It's getting uranium information, if not enriched uranium, from Russia.

It will be nuclear by the end of the year.

No doubt about it.

They have brought China and Russia together.

They have basically India is now an outlier.

It's not an American outlier anymore.

North Korea is starting to talk its insanity again.

And I think Turkey, by any definition, any definition, given its closeness to China and Russia, is not a U.S.

ally, even though it has the largest army in NATO, except for ourselves.

And then when you look at our own military, Millie was talking the other day, just, God, every time that guy talks, you wonder what he learned at Princeton.

I mean, he has a Princeton VEA and he was...

appointed because he was supposed to be quote unquote our intellectual chairman joint chiefs gosh he ran it about white privilege, white rage under, you know, to the Congress.

He called up his Chinese counterpart and basically said,

I'm with you if Trump orders me to do something.

Now he says that we need to, what did he say?

There's no real problem with China.

Yes, they're planning for war, but we don't want to get too upset about it.

He's 15,000 soldiers short in the army recruitment.

He's destroyed a whole demographic that as potential recruits, you know, the white male combat type of person, rural America, the kind of people I grew up with and south of the Mason-Dixon line as well.

And they're not joining.

They're just not joining for obvious reasons.

And these are the people who died, as I said, twice at their demographic in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And he's told them, I guess, that you're not welcome.

And they say, okay, we're not welcome.

You go do it.

It's your problem.

And so when you look at all of this, energy,

Ukraine war, China, Russia, the financial

Iran.

I mean, are they starting to play an important role, whether it's with Russia, Saudis?

I mentioned Iran that they are, they're producing under license drones, cheap drones.

And where do they get that that drone expertise?

They got it with the Barack Obama administration when we crashed a drone into Iranian territory and everybody begged Obama to destroy it.

And he would not do that.

I thought that was, I guess, provocative.

And they just reversed engineered it and they learned a great deal and they were off to the races with their own drone industry.

And so, yeah, they're a participant now.

in the Ukraine war on the side of Russia.

And in exchange, they're going to want a lot.

And they produce a lot of oil, as does Saudi Arabia, as does Kuwait, as does the Emirates.

All of those countries are going to be cutting back.

And their basic message to us is: you call us illiberal, Joe Biden.

You say that we're decadent or we're an illiberal regime.

Okay, you produce your own oil.

But if you won't produce your own oil, don't go beg us before the election to pump for you just so you can get re-elected.

We're not going to do it anymore.

And the whole Abrams Accord, that idea that

the Arab world would make peace with Israel, and they were almost ready to finalize it.

It had already been in progress.

That's over with.

That's over with.

They're closer now with Iran than they are Israel.

And Israel itself, the people and the left in Israel is in that Isa left here, and they're doing to Netanyahu what they do to Trump here.

And so the whole

overseas thing has collapsed.

And remember that it started

in early winter of 2021 when

our diplomatic team of, I guess it was Blinken, went to Anchorage and just insulted by the Chinese.

And then Putin just insulted him when he asked him, please, Vladimir, if you're going to hack our stuff, don't hack hospitals.

You have to put something

off limits when you attack us.

Oh, if Vladimir invades, is that what you asked me?

What do we do?

Well, if it's a minor invasion, I won't do anything.

And then he looked at that aerial photograph of acres and acres of American

weaponry and vehicles all parked like they were ready to be bombed on Pearl Harbor.

They were all in a row.

And we just handed that over to terrorists.

And then we look at the open border.

That's a foreign policy.

I never thought I heard a Mexican president say, It's so wonderful.

We've sent 40 million people up there and

they're in the United States.

And then next week say, I want you all to vote Democratic.

Mr.

Obador, they have to be citizens in tech.

No, they don't, Victor.

They don't have to be citizens.

So

it's really hard to screw things up the way they did.

And so it just, it begs the question:

was it by intent or by incompetence or a little of both?

Could I ask you something about the Saudi relationship with Iran?

Do you find it

interesting or, I guess, funny that the Saudi Arabian peninsula or the Saudis are

Sunni Muslims and yet they are

cuddling up with the Shia

Iranian sect.

They hate each other and they have historically.

I know.

And

a lot of the Gulf states have large Shia minorities, you know, and they are a near-majority or majority in Iraq.

And so

you don't quite know what's going on, whether the Saudis are saying, we can't deal with the Biden administration, we're going to wait it out, or we're going to send a message, you screw with us, we're going to screw with you, you're going to regret it.

But at the other point, they've got to be careful because they are completely helpless, helpless.

And when you start to deal with a theocracy like Iran, It's not going to be symmetrical.

Iran's got a lot more people.

It's got a lot more scientific expertise and it's going to have nuclear weapons.

And it's already sent missiles into Saudi Arabia.

So if Saudi Arabia thinks they can maneuver that, they're crazy.

Ultimately, that kingdom's survival rests on neutrality with Israel and the protection of the United States, as we saw in the case of Kuwait.

and Saudi Arabia.

We stopped an incursion into Saudi Arabia in the First Gulf War.

And they would be stupid to sever that tie.

I think there's more of a signaling to us.

But signals can get a life of their own if people don't handle it right.

And I don't know who is running the country now.

I know Joe Biden is not.

And I guess Jill Biden, who each day she opens her mouth,

makes Michelle Obama, you know, look like Queen Elizabeth

in comparison.

She's completely incompetent.

Camilla Harris is incompetent.

And Blinken, Sullivan, et cetera, they have the therapeutic view of foreign policy.

Sullivan was very involved in the whole Hillary Steele deception collusion hoax.

So I don't know who's doing it.

The Obamas, I keep thinking that they're people, Valerie Jarrett, all those people are involved.

But

as he said himself, when he was asked what was his weakness, he said it was laziness.

And when you look at him, it's usually a picture of him hanging out in Martha's Vineyard or Calarama Mansion or his new Hawaiian digs.

He loves to fly private and lecture people on climate change.

You know, he got a just, they handed him 100 million bucks for Netflix for doing nothing.

So I just don't think he's, I think he's where he always wanted to be.

And so I don't see him as engaged politically.

I know once in a while he'll walk outside his front door and he'll give a press conference or he'll go to some ceremonial dig and say that everybody's racist, or the filibuster's racist, or he'll hijack a funeral eulogy and say that we have to bring Puerto Rico into the, you know, but his heart is not in it.

It really isn't.

He's a sensualist.

He wants to enjoy his appetites.

And so I don't know who's running the country.

I don't know who these are.

Is it Bernie Sanders?

Is it Elizabeth Warren?

Are they terrified of AOC?

Something like that.

But it's the country.

You're an optimist.

I think it's Joe Biden and his crazy mind is running our country, which is why everything's going to hell, right?

Yeah, but he doesn't even know where he is.

I mean, he, when he starts, first of all, when he speaks now, he slurs his words.

So one word, there's no hiatus between one word and the next.

It's just

there's certain people who can interpret it.

They've learned how to.

to follow that language, but it's not English as I recognize it.

It isn't.

And then he's he's baffled.

You know, every once in a while, I'm 69.

If I lay down, I get up suddenly, you know what I mean?

For a split second, I get a little dizzy or I bend down, but he's dizzy all the time.

He can't, he can't navigate.

He's going to fall and break his hip.

It's inevitable.

He doesn't, he can't do it.

He can't do it.

Some of you out there who are in great shape at 80 would not want the job because you would have to exhaust yourself

and he can't do it.

So I don't think he's in control at all.

I just don't.

I think that it's people around him.

Do you think he knows any of the judicial appointments he's making?

I understand your point.

Your point says it wouldn't matter, Victor, because he's not good old Joe from Scranton anymore.

He's a hardcore leftist that sold his soul.

You're right.

Yes.

So you're right.

It doesn't make any difference.

If he were compos mentes, he would be doing the same thing.

I agree with that.

Yes.

That's a strange phenomenon.

Victor, let's go ahead and take a break and come back and talk a little bit more about domestic policy since we've slowly turned to that as it is.

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And we've gotten to the domestic and I thought maybe we could go all the way to California and look a little bit at the weather and policy of California.

And especially given I was looking around at things and I found this article that Trot was was saying that

these climate crisis people who take over everything.

And so right now, California is having an extraordinary amount of rain, which I know you want to talk about.

But

there are problems with the environment that environmentalism, if it were not taken over by these radicals who want to say always that the sky is falling.

And I was thinking, yeah, I remember being on a cruise boat one time and looking at the trash that we came across in the ocean.

It was just disgusting.

And really, somebody should do something about it.

And those are, you know, problems like that are specific, but real problems in the environment.

And yet nobody wants to listen to these environmental climate crisis people anymore.

And

that was just my reflection, given our

rainy time here.

But however, you want to talk about this crazy weather that we've been having.

I don't think it's so crazy.

I think that if you go back and look look at California, about every 15 to 20 years, you get a two to three year drought, and we have.

And I mean, we had a very wet year in 2019.

And then about every 15 to 20 years, or maybe longer, you get, I think it was 2005.

We had a historically wet year, but I remember, I think it was 1983.

It was crazy.

And we live, you know, 20 miles from what was the old Tulare Lake bed, which was the largest freshwater lake, very shallow, but the largest west of the Great Lakes.

And it was some of the most fertile farmland in the world.

The Boswell Corporation, the Sawyer Corporation, they simply expropriated it very cheaply in the 1940s and 50s when dams started to emerge.

And then, after Pine Flat was built and the Kings River was harnessed, which dumped into the Tulare Lake,

it was farmland.

So it's some of the richest farmland in the world.

I think 20% of the nation's dairy products are produced in and around the Tulare Lake bed.

It was huge.

It went on for 80 miles.

It goes all the way from, you know, the Hanford-Lemore Corcoran area, all the way down to Bakersfield.

And then east and west.

Well, it's got 100,000 acres of water.

We haven't seen that since 83.

And then the snowpack this year in the central southern Sierra is 240%

of its April date, according to the recent measurement.

And it's twice the amount that we had the historical flooding of 1983.

So that lake bed is going to increase and it's going to take billions of dollars of farm production out.

And it was all preventable.

preventable because we passed measures.

We had to build dams.

We could have harnessed the San Joaquin River in the sense that Millerton Lake could have filled up another million and a half acre feet at

Temperance Flat above it.

We could have done that.

It was approved.

We could have built the

Los Banos Grandes so we would have had another San Luis Reservoir so that aqueduct could have been at full blast filling up.

two

San Luis reservoirs.

We have the Sites Reservoir on the Sacramento River, all part of the California Water Project.

And we voted in a ballot prop, I think it was $7 billion, and they did nothing.

They did nothing.

He just kept saying, we're in a drought, we're in a drought.

Climate change, climate change, climate change, climate change.

So the forest burned, then burned.

Climate change, climate change.

Timber industry vanished.

People said, you're not thinning out the forest.

You're going to get a forest.

Climate change, climate change.

We released billions of cubic meters of carbon into the atmosphere two years ago.

Climate change, climate change.

And then we had this wet year.

And so until just about a month ago, he kept going climate change, drought, climate change, drought, as he let out 13 million acre feet.

But what happened to Newsom and to Californians is they didn't understand nature.

As I said, every 20 years,

you get something like this.

And our grandparents did.

And that's why they created the California Water Project and the Central Valley Project.

And you read read it, they had a tertiary system of huge reservoirs.

And they granted that they wouldn't be full very often.

But on a year like this, they would fill up and they would do what they're supposed to do.

They would provide recreation.

They would provide irrigation and they would provide flood control, flood control.

And they just ignored it and their stupid stupidity.

And so here we are.

We let out all this.

They thought, well, we're just going to let all the water out the San Joaquin River in Sacramento.

We're going to have lush riverbanks.

We're going to introduce salmon.

It's going to be like 1860.

And screw those farmers.

And ha,

this is a permanent drought.

And then it started to rain and rain.

And they thought, oh, wow, this is great.

We're going to let it all out.

We're not going to store any water.

And then it rained and rained.

They said, uh-oh,

maybe the drought's over.

It's climate change.

Climate change.

It's not climate change drought.

We never said that.

It's climate change, too much water, not enough.

So now it's climate change, too much water.

And they don't, they never look at the historical records to see these unusual years of drought and

moisture.

So it's very sad because this was preventable, but we're going to have a very rough spring because when you have 240% of the snowpack and it starts to melt, and it's in very, this is when this is one of the colder

winters and springs I've ever experienced.

And climate change, we were told last year it was very warm, but this is very cold.

So it hasn't melted is what I'm trying to say, Sammy.

But next week, we're scheduled to get back to a normal 75 to 85 degree pattern.

And that stuff is going to melt.

It's going to melt fast.

And the rivers can't handle it.

And the ponds

cannot handle it.

And the reservoirs cannot handle it.

And you're going to get California around 1820 when that happened a lot.

And it's going to be flooding.

And you're going to see lakes and things that you haven't seen in 40 years.

And that's the way it's going to be.

I have a house up, you know, I've been so worried about the roof.

It has scissor trusses, and it had up to 20 feet of snow on the roof.

And I did some rough calculations on the cubic feet of Sierra-type snow versus the stress load of that roof, and it was beyond capacity.

I haven't been up there.

I'm going to try to go up tomorrow

and we'll see if it's still there.

But so far it's held.

But the problem, I have it's 20 feet of snow on the two sides of the house and the deck and the front.

And what do you do with it?

Because you don't want to throw it in your net.

There's nowhere for it to go.

I mean, some will evaporate, but I have a cement slab, so you know what's going to happen.

It's going to melt and go into the house.

And it's going to happen.

There's nowhere to put it, is what I'm trying to say.

And it's,

it's, I just wish the people would realize that we're on the razor's edge.

We have 40 million people in the state.

We've never had that many before.

And our grandparents and great-grandparents were very wise people when they had 15 million people.

And they planned the 101 and the 99 and the I-5 and they planned the reservoirs and they planned PGE.

And they all had sequential, staggered rates of growth to accommodate population.

to create the

in perpetuity the world that we had in the 1970s and 60s And we threw it all away.

And so

it's sort of like a farce now, isn't it, Sammy?

Because San Francisco is, we're looking at $45 billion, the deficit.

It seems to grow each week from 25 to 45.

I hear now, San Francisco is utterly broke.

They can't even afford to police their own, they can't afford to clean up the theses on their street.

And they're talking about what?

$300 billion of reparations from

who have not had a slave in their family, if they ever did, for five generations, and they want people to pay who are either immigrants that weren't even here during slavery or have no relatives that were slaves, or if they did, there is a southerner in California, which was a free state.

They haven't had a slave in five generations.

It's just insane.

So it's all fiddling to answer, to put it all in perspective,

we are obsessed with these transgendered issues about men and women's sport.

We are obsessed about who is the best victim of all, whether the Louisiana state team should go to Joe Biden rather than Michelle Obama's house.

We are obsessed with Megan Markle and Henry.

We are obsessed.

with Alvin Bragg.

And meanwhile, the world is falling apart and the country is falling apart with real issues that we're not addressing, financial, economic, political, energy, et cetera.

Well, it seems seems to me that the democrats have the platonic answer they want to keep all the people in the cave looking at the shadows and they seem to be able to do that through these emotional issues that they keep in the news

and i'm i know you're almost the optimist here and i'm i'm a little bit more pessimistic i don't see republicans turning that around because they've got a hard sell though because

look at what we're up against there's 50 50 million people

in absolute numbers and percentage i think it's up to 13 50 million people were not born in the united states they just walked in most of them illegally in california 27 of the population was not born in the united states and that's not because they were engineers from all from india they're poor people

So most people on the coast don't see that.

I go to a big warehouse food market, and I did three days ago, and a woman who did not speak very well Spanish.

She had a Mixotech dialect.

And she brought out four,

four,

four

EBT cards.

And I waited about five minutes while they tried to figure out, you know, they were all, I mean, one person doesn't have four cards, right?

And then she brought out a WIC card, women, an infant child, a green, it was a kind of a green card.

and then

she bought you know four or five hundred dollars of stuff and she brought out a wad of cash and she bought the coca-colas and all of these things in different categories it took a long time but my point is this

where she came from which was probably the state of oaxaca

compared to what is there now it's like nirvana you know what i mean i when i had this near-death experience i I went into the emergency room and I can tell you that there were a lot of people there who did not speak English and looked like they had just come across the border.

And that type of care that was given by highly trained Mexican-American doctors and nurses was very good care.

They have never seen anything like that before.

So why wouldn't you want to come?

is what I'm saying.

And the idea is that if we let all these people come, they're going to repay the fealty for generations at the polls.

And they do.

They do.

And so that's part of the problem is immigration and the lack of assimilation and integration.

And the other part is it's not just immigrants.

It's $1.7 trillion in student debt.

30% of it's not being serviced.

And it's, I'm on Social Security.

The whole system is bankrupt.

It's not going to be sustainable.

And to even say that, it'll be a riotous condition, as you see in France today.

So

the left has the advantage.

They give stuff to people.

They give stuff to people.

People don't vote for them because they want open borders or they want no energy.

They vote for them because they don't know about or they don't think about that, just want things.

And they want to be told that

anybody,

the Democratic Party and the left historically lives on envy.

It's not Hesiod's good envy.

Remember, Hesiod works in days.

He says there's two types of envy.

There's emulation envy.

Hmm, I'm driving down the street and a guy just passed me in a Tesla.

That looked really nice.

Wow.

I admire that guy.

He's got a Tesla.

You know what?

I'm going to go save and get one just like it.

That's the good envy.

That's the Thonos.

It's good.

And then there's the Eris envy.

That's the, oh man, he got a Tesla and I don't have one.

I'm going to go kick in the tire.

I'm going to go break it.

I don't like that.

How do you get that?

Couldn't have done it without being a crook.

That's the bad envy.

Well, they play on the bad envy that the word that you can never make it.

It's racist, it's rigged, but you can make it if you give it your vote to us because we will give you stuff.

We'll take it away from the people who stole it from you.

And that's what they do.

It's a very powerful narcotic.

You don't know.

And

the way to combat that is not

to

get a Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and talk about capital gains cuts.

And you know what I mean?

We need that, yes, but that's not what you emphasize.

You emphasize, I'm for the middle classes.

I'm for keeping jobs in the United States.

I'm against China ripping us off.

You don't shut down factories and invest over there so we don't even have protective

covering and materials and health care products during a pandemic because you outsourced it to China.

That's how you combat it.

And the Republican Party until recently hasn't done that.

They lost every election.

They've lost seven out of the eight popular elections.

Just count them, the popular vote, okay?

Since let's go through them.

George H.W.

Bush lost the popular vote, did he not?

In 1992, right?

To Bill Clinton.

Bob Dole lost it in 96.

That's two of two, right?

George Bush lost the popular vote to Al Gore in 2000, right?

And he squeaked by with 49.9 or something, or 50.4 in 2004.

So that's one out of

four.

And then

in 2008, Barack Obama, that's four out of five.

popular vote 2012 five out of six right popular vote

and 2016 then Hillary Coon won the popular vote six out of seven.

And Joe Biden won the popular vote seven out of eight, right?

I know the listeners go, but they cheated, Victor.

Well, maybe so, but the point is that we haven't won 51% of the vote since George H.W.

Bush did it against Michael Dekakis in 1988.

So if you're losing seven out of the eight

popular votes, and yet, and yet, during that period, you're very successful in taking state legislatures.

You have the majority of state legislatures still, even after 2020, and the majority of governors.

Something is wrong at the national level.

And the something that was wrong was

you were nominating Bob Dole, and you were nominating

John McCain, and you were nominating Mitt Romney, and people like that.

And they're very decent, wonderful people.

I met all of them, and they're very nice people,

but they don't appeal to the middle class.

Some of the war heroes, Bob Dole is injured, is a wonderful person.

I had breakfast with Mitt Romney.

I thought he was, he and his wife were absolutely mannered, polite.

I had it with Tom Sowell.

The two of us had, we didn't agree necessarily with his campaign strategies in 2012.

But my point is that

he was a decent person.

And so was George W.

Bush and so was

all of them.

But they're not going to win.

That's not going to happen.

It's not going to happen.

And when they lose, they're going to lose nobly and they're not going to be too regretful of it because they're of a particular class that's exempt from the consequences of what the left does.

But the other people in East Palatine, they don't have any margin of error.

For them, those elections are very important.

And for a lot of people in America, they're very important.

And if you don't appeal to what they need

and you represent the elite in which the, and the left was merciless, wasn't it?

Remember those elections?

Mitt Romney hazed somebody?

Yes.

Didn't he have an elevator, we were told?

Did he put a dog on top of his house?

I could go on for a while.

No, on top of his car when he went on vacation.

I'm sorry.

His house.

But he also, is it Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney put the person in the wheelchair and threw them over the cliff?

I can't remember that commercial.

Well, that was an advertisement and it looked like, I think, Paul Ryan.

I think that's a good question.

And then how about

the interview with the black guy who said that he delivered, he picked up the trash and Mitt Romney never talked to him.

Remember that?

And then Mitt Romney's wife, remember that?

She was an equestrian with MS.

I like

the commercial where John McCain didn't remember how many houses he had.

remember?

Does he have seven or 11?

Yeah.

And then all these Republicans were saying, you know, they John McCain is going to win.

He's bipartisan and the left has enormous respect for him.

And

he doesn't get down in the dirt.

He's not going to mention Barack Obama's radicalism.

He corrects people who would do that.

And he's going to, no, he's not.

He's going to be considered weak.

They're going to destroy John McCain.

When they get done with John McCain, he's an old daring

Alzheimer's, wealthy, and that's what they did to a war hero.

They did.

And so

finally, Trump came in.

The party is changing given all of that, though.

Yes, it is changing.

I agree.

They're never going to come back.

That's why these

seems like every single

never Trumper is so angry.

And it's not just Donald Trump.

Believe me, if DeSantis were to win the nomination, and it's wide open, I don't believe any of these polls matter right now.

It's so volatile.

But if he was to win the nomination, do you think those people at the bulwark of the dispatch would say, you know what?

I'm a solid conservative my entire life.

I want closed borders and I want low taxes and less government and I want traditional values and I want a strong deterrent foreign policy.

And therefore, I look at DeSantis and he's much superior to the hard, crazy left.

And I'm going to vote for him.

No, they're not going to vote for it.

No, no, no, no, no.

They don't like this Republican Party.

They don't like it.

They're elitist.

They always were elitist.

And they understand something about the left that maybe some of our listeners don't.

The left is an elitist party.

It's always been a limousine liberal party.

And now it's taken off its camouflage and it says, you know what?

We're the party of Mark Zuckerberg.

Mike Bloomberg.

We're the party of the big, big money.

We're the party of the Stanford Law School.

We're the party of the Soros Foundation.

We're the party of Silicon Valley, of Marx.

We're happy.

We are tasteful.

We have,

you know, we have designer kitchens.

We go to Tuscany.

Hollywood.

Yes.

We are

smooth with the beautiful people in Hollywood.

We are really wealthy.

And,

you know, we're all victims, too.

So that's what they do.

And

that's the Democratic Party.

And that's what the Republicans were afraid of they were always oh my god i can't i can't criticize the left because they'll review my book badly or i won't be able to get on 60 minutes or i won't be on face a nation

or if i'm a judge and i and i overturn roe versus wade or affirmative action there'll be no invitations for me to speak and

I don't know, the Columbia School of Journalism won't ask me if I write an article.

It won't ask me to speak.

And I won't win a Pulitzer Prize.

I won't be nominated for a National book award.

All of those little tidbits incentives that mean nothing

did mean something to our intelligentsia and our elite on the Republican Party.

And so that was the problem.

And it took somebody like Donald Trump, who was totally on coup out an outsider.

And when they brought him the names, I can tell you, when they told him Neocon X and Establishmentarian Conservative Y and Mr.

Z,

he would say, Who the F are they?

I don't even know their name.

You know,

they were no longer on the I had a call when Trump just, I won't mention the name, somebody called me and he said, Victor, I got to ask you something.

I said, what is that?

And he's, and he mentioned three of the most prominent, prominent conservative intellectuals.

And he said,

I told Donald Trump that these people were enormously influential and that he had offended them and they were going to be writing columns against him.

And I said, so what?

What?

He got mad?

He said, he didn't know their names.

I said, you're kidding me.

He said, no, he didn't.

He didn't know who they were.

He didn't care.

So, I mean,

that's what he represented to that Never Trump crowd.

So

that was what was wrong with the Republican Party is what I'm trying to say.

It didn't represent the middle classes.

And now it does.

And it's taken the entire blue-collar worker constituency that only periodically flared up against them.

I'm talking about the Perot voter, the Reagan blue dog Democrat.

It's got them now.

And all it needs is 4 or 5%

of the suburban crowd that are traditionalists and conservatives.

And they should know that if they drive into San Francisco or Portland or Seattle or Minneapolis, somebody's going to break their windshield and they're going to steal their stuff and they're not going to be held accountable.

And that's just the way they have to be reminded of that.

Not scared.

Yeah, that's the reality.

And they have to remind that their economy is not going to be very good and they're going to pay $5 for gas.

Yeah.

I hope that people start to see the reality as you've been presenting it here today so well.

And I hope

that.

I'm sure your listeners thank you as well.

We're coming to the end of the show, if you might have guessed.

So

I would like to thank you and thank the listeners for their

loyalty to our show.

That's a wonderful thing, we always think.

So thank you, listeners, and thank you, Victor.

Thank you, everybody, for listening.

This is Victor Davis-Hansen and Sammy Wink, and we're signing off.