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So, Victor, this Chinese spy balloon, weather balloon, has captivated the nation the last couple of days.

Of course, it was flying over the nation for well over a week.

You've talked a little about it with Sammy, but I had just wanted to bring up one aspect that I hope maybe you'll address.

And there was a piece by Paul Bedard in the Washington Examiner.

Let me just read this here quickly and Victor, then get your thoughts on this.

The threat of the balloon

launched electromagnetic pulse attacks was warned about by a congressional EMP commission and

inside the military several years ago.

I'm reading, I don't know, I'm reading some English here that doesn't make much sense.

Anyway, the piece was about, hey, this balloon could very well be

a testing by the Chinese for one of these electromagnetic pulse bombs, detonations that will truly cripple the nation.

It goes on.

You'll find it at the Washington Washington Examiner.

So this is obviously

from some military strategists, a truly, truly serious thing, not just a violation of our sovereignty.

Victor, any other thoughts you want to share about

this

now blown up balloon?

Yeah,

I did a little bit on Laura that went, I think, just a few hours after it was over.

Everything about this has been misinformation.

And

it came across the Pacific, it came across the Aleutians.

And they said, well, we didn't shoot it down because we were afraid of people.

There's nobody out in the Pacific.

And

they could have zapped it right when it was in U.S.

territorial waters or on the Aleutians.

There's not very many people out there.

So they didn't want to do it.

And believe me, if this was Donald Trump re-elected president right now and Vladimir Putin sent one over across and we didn't and Trump didn't do anything, he'd be impeached a third time.

So the media gave them a pass.

And

as it progressed and it became evident to the American people in the sky, people started to ask questions.

And they said, this is against international law.

This violates U.S.

sovereign airspace.

This is not a weathered balloon.

And even the Pentagon admitted that.

And then they had this usual chorus of James Clapper and all the

admitted liars, the least truthful statement I said, that type of lie from James Clapper.

And he and all those people came in and said, well, you know, it's nothing to get upset about.

What would you gain with a 60,000-foot balloon?

And as people pointed out, it's much slower, it's much closer.

And there were a lot of experts who thought that either you could get better photographic or electronic surveillance from that than a satellite, or as you point out,

there were, because the thing was the size of two buses, right?

You don't need a camera the size of two buses.

So it was obviously having some type of payload if to see if it was viable.

And maybe there would be in a real war something like that that would have an explosive device that would have an EMP attack or whatever.

But finally, the pressure grew so much that they shot it down today

as it

left the Carolinas and as it was on its way out to the ocean.

But again,

I don't understand this because

in Ukraine, they have discounted every single saber-rattling, inflammatory Putin remark.

Every time they

send something, Humvees, we need Abrams.

Abrams, we need F-16s.

F-16s, well, we want F-35s.

Patriots.

Every time that Putin Putin says, this is getting dangerous, you better be careful.

They say, ah, he's never going to do anything.

But on this case, which is not, which is our own airspace, it's not Ukraine, a third party.

We say, oh, my God,

what would the Chinese want to do?

Listening to Blinken was so pathetic when he got on there and said, well, I can't go to China because of this.

But you know what?

I want to remind everybody how engaged and how we're working on climate change.

I thought he was going to vomit in the car.

I mean, he should have never, ever.

And I just thought, you know what?

They sized these guys up in Anchorage.

Remember that, Jack?

As soon as they took office, they went out to Anchorage and they had a summit and they just dressed them down and just

humiliated them.

There's something about China.

I mean, it's just like the Wuhan virus.

They won't get anywhere near offending China.

And China basically said,

well,

it kind of got away.

And we always follow.

I mean, they didn't even have a very, very valuable excuse.

So they were also, and maybe primarily so,

basically seeing what our reaction would be.

There were a bunch of guys in the pot borough in China that said, let's send over and see what they do.

And if they don't do anything, I mean, we didn't until public pressure and the media kind of forced Biden to do something.

And then, you know, they would say, well, if we go into Taiwan, they'll wait a week or they'll wait six days or what.

This was a literal, as people pointed out, this was literally a trial balloon.

And

they looked so weak.

I mean, what would it have to take for the Pentagon to do something?

And then when you had Biden leaking today that

it was the president who made the firm decision,

and i.e., the Pentagon had been adverse to it, then the whole Mark Milley sordid record comes back up.

How is this guy still chairman of the Joint Chiefs?

This is a guy who got in front of Congress and alleged that there was white rage and supremacy in the ranks.

And all he

achieved by that unfounded accusation that had no data, no information, no internal studies, he managed to get many of the branches of the service off by 50% in the recruitment because, as I keep saying, he offended people who die at twice their rate of the general population in god-awful places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Then we think, you know what?

This is the same guy who called up his PLA counterpart.

Remember that according, and he didn't deny it, that he was going to tip off the Chinese if Donald Trump gave him an existential order, given that he thought Dr.

Milley, professor of psychiatrist,

psychiatry, thought that Donald Trump was non-compost mentes, then he,

Mark Milley, who has no operational authority, he's not in the chain of command for operations, he's just an advisory

component, the chiefs are, to advise the president about security issues, then they were all going to report to him.

This is the same guy.

in addition that told us that Afghanistan was viable in June and July.

And he's the same same guy who told us that we shouldn't be too optimistic about the Ukrainians' first week of resistance.

He's the same guy who did a photo op as all joint chiefs.

I wrote an article and went through the whole list of them that always loved to do photo ops with the president, including Colin Powell and Elder Bush, when he not only did a photo op, but during the riot in Los Angeles, Colin Powell pinned a note to George H.W.

Bush and said, I've got 5,000 Marines.

They're raring to go.

Just give me the word, Mr.

President.

And suddenly, given all that history and tradition, Millie then says, oh, I shouldn't have had a photo op with Donald Trump.

So that guy, by every measure of performance in that office, should have been fired.

And a long time ago, he's been a disaster.

Yeah.

I wonder if he's angry that he didn't get a call from the Chinese chief general to say, oh, our balloon got lost.

Yeah, according to the way that he looks at the world, his counterpart in the PLA called up and said, Hey, General Milley, I just want to warn you that the people I work for, Chi, is he's crazy.

I don't know what he's going to do, but guarantee I'm going to tip you off if we do something stupid like send a balloon right over your aerospace.

Is that what he thinks they do?

You think they're going to play the Milley role in China?

It's really scary that somebody like that has such a position of influence.

And again, here we are, and we're upping the ante every day in Ukraine.

And then the left and

the anti-Trump right keep assuring us that you can't be provocative enough with a man that has 7,000 nukes, Vladimir Putin.

And yet.

When the Chinese do this or we have an open border, oh, we can't offend Mexico.

Mexico, oh, we can't offend China.

And these are things that are not in Ukraine.

They're in our sovereign territory.

And again, there's something weird about the left.

It's almost as if, in a reductionist sense, that anything

that is not in U.S.

interest, they're for, and anything that is in U.S.

interest, they're against.

They don't want to shoot down a balloon, but they sure do want to empty our arsenal to provoke Vladimir Putin.

Well, maybe what's in the U.S.

interest runs counter to the concept of this one-worldism and the Davosism, you know, so the immigration of America.

Well, obviously, so, because we don't have a southern border anymore, it disappeared somewhere around January 2021.

Five to six million illegal entrants.

And

I hope that Kevin McCarthy can marshal his thin majority to impeach Mayorkas, because if there was ever a clearer case of impeaching a cabinet official,

it's Mayorkas, because he's deliberately, systematically,

comprehensively defied the law.

And he's an executive officer who's tasked with enforcing immigration law.

And he has not done it.

He's deliberately eroded it, subverted it.

And the proof of the pudding is the five to six million entries that were all illegal and which he greenlighted.

And that's, that's just, that's besides insulting, you know.

And as you've written about before, it's Confederatism and another

means.

You know,

some are nulls at existing laws, right?

Nullification, just like South Carolina.

Hey, Victor, related to China, and I'll assume there'll be some polling.

We'll talk about it on another podcast then, but making assumptions, there'll be polling about how the American people are feeling about China.

I have to believe the numbers will are already high, negative are high, and will get even higher.

But in Congress, we know there's been,

well,

in Florida, we saw some action of the government there against China purchasing more land.

There's a bill now that Representative Mary Miller of Illinois has put forward that's a foreign land purchase ban as sort of an embargo.

You've brought up before the idea of reciprocity in the sense of, well, why can they buy land here if we can't buy land there?

I wonder if,

of course,

you have to have the numbers in Congress to pass the bill and the president to sign the bill.

But I wonder at some point if kind of a national eminent domain is not

something worth considering, at least with China, maybe even Venezuela or other countries that have bought, you know, our enemies who bought land in America, to just take it back.

Why should China own land?

Why should it be frozen in place that they own land?

Well, I mean, it's got to be reciprocal with China.

That's all they understand.

Any magnanimity that we show, they interpret as weakness and they want to exploit it.

They never reciprocate our kindness in

like measure.

So, yeah, just

it's very simple with the Chinese.

You always just say, what if,

what if right now American investors were buying farmland with connections to the U.S.

government all around Chinese military bases?

What would China do?

Would they allow that to happen?

No.

What if an American balloon was going to cross the entire transcontinental

longitude?

of China.

Would they allow that?

No.

We know that because they shot down an airliner during the George W.

Bush administration.

They not only

forced it, I should say, forced it to land.

They kept the people as detainees, and then they rifled through the plane and basically cannibalized it and took all the information.

And so if you don't treat them the way that they treat other people, then they're going to have contempt for you because that's how they think, communist.

And I don't know why we have to learn this again and again and again.

You can't trust these people.

And they want to destroy the United States.

And

they feel that

they can humiliate us with a balloon.

They feel they can humiliate us by buying.

I mean, they're not even subtle, are they?

It's the same, it's the same mindset as a balloon.

We're just going to send a balloon into your sovereign airspace.

What the f are you going to do about it?

Oh, by we're going to buy some farmland right next to a missile base.

What the f are you going to do about it?

That's their attitude.

And then they get, and it's all set up so they can get outrage.

Oh, my God, you racist Americans.

How dare you you do that i'd like to you know what it's every university and i mentioned this on the air the other day but here i am at stanford university and there was a confucius society which is basically as mike pompeo tried to shut shut them down that secretary of state they were fronts for communist propaganda but we had a chinese neuro

i guess you would call not

not a neurologist, but a neurobiologist.

And she was attached, I think, to the Department of Biology,

by courtesy, the medical school.

And she was an agent of the People's Liberation Army.

And then when Betsy DeVos finally fined all those universities for not transparently admitting how much cash they got, which was illegal not to admit it, then Stanford just sort of nonchalantly said, well, I guess if you go back to 2010, we've got over $50 million.

And I'm thinking, wow, $50 million.

And what does that earn?

That earns a petition from 176 Stanford professors saying, please don't, don't you dare, Trump administration, go after Chinese nationals in our universities, i.e.,

you know, a neurobiologist that's on the faculty of Stanford.

Of course, and then I don't even have to get into Diane Feinstein, our barrier senator, with a Chinese spy for 20 years as her chauffeur, or Eric Swalwell,

having relations with Fang Fang.

I'm not the brightest guy in the world, but as I think I said on an earlier podcast, Fang Fang came and visited me once as a quote-unquote member of the consulate in San Francisco who was furious over my anti-Chinese op-eds.

And it took me one second.

in that meeting to see what she was.

She was a spy.

And

so Swalwell,

that's a whole.

I mean, I can't imagine a guy in the intelligence committee should be so stupid.

Yeah.

Victor, by the way, you know, they own, we're talking about Red China owning land, etc.

You know, they may, they may own the presidency also.

I didn't tell you this before the show, but I just want to raise it here before we move on to another subject.

I know one of the first, actually, the first website

you say you check out every day is Powerline.

And I looked at it today.

I hadn't looked at it in the last few days.

And there was a piece by John Hendraker.

I never know if I'm saying his name right.

I don't either.

Well, he's a great writer, John.

And he had a piece from February 2nd titled, Hunter Biden, More Depraved Than You Knew.

Did you read this piece?

I did.

It's, I went and clicked on the link.

This is about like, you know, I cannot not believe that the Bidens are totally compromised through this laptop with the China.

But

it talks about there's a group called Marco Polo that has put the contents out on in a PDF of searchable document.

It's almost 700 pages.

And John admits, like, the natural, he started with the section called sex-related crimes link.

Well, I went to it too.

I mean, it's utterly shocking how

just totally immersed in

pornography, sex, drugs, and which is like you were, you were candidate A for then the vice president's son, now president's son son.

So

for being, you know, exploiting

women.

We have children, both of us.

And if one of our

children

had a laptop like that and did the things that they did, do you think that you or I or anybody listening who loves dearly their children, but if their child performed in a in a manner of honor, would they say he's the smartest man I ever know?

New.

That's Joe Biden's direct quote.

And so I get back to this, this another kind of theme that I've been pounding for three years.

And that is that when you look at some of those emails and he shows that, and we've talked about this before, the resentment toward his dad, that I pay his bills.

I have to pay his bills.

I think he's whining to his cousin.

I pay his bills.

And then he says, Mr.

the big guy and 10%.

And I think that Joe Biden is very, very wary because when you're a president of the United States, the last thing you do,

you want to do is allow your son to hawk a bunch of two-bit art to Chinese investors to get influence.

Nobody does that.

And yet here he was doing that.

And they've given him a complete free reign because they can't control him.

But also, I think they're scared of him, Jack.

I think they look at that laptop and they see references to Joe Biden and they think, oh my God, I've gotten millions of dollars somehow on a senator's salary.

I ended up with these three beautiful multi-million dollar homes, and I've got all these assets.

And this guy is at the heart of it.

And if I offend him or cut him off, he's going to go, who knows what a crackhead will do.

Yeah.

And that's sort of what his attitude is.

By the way, looking, yeah, and he lost another laptop, too, by the way.

Three, I think, no, he's lost three altogether.

Yeah, who, I mean, whose hands aren't our enemies who don't have this and and leverage with?

Yeah, well, think about the Biden.

So let's go through the inventory.

So Hunter lost three laptops.

He left a crackpipe and a rented car.

Remember that?

Then he, remember he lost his gun?

I think his wife, he threw it in the dumpster.

The dumpster?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And they had to go, FBI had to go retrieve the...

the gun.

They had to try to retrieve.

They did one of the laptops.

And then there's the daughter, and she moved out and she left the diary.

And

as I said to Sammy, I've had a lot of rental agreements.

When I leave, when I left as a student, my apartment, many months later, I might have forgotten something.

I don't go back in that apartment and say, oh, that's mine.

No, you've left it.

It's theirs.

Or they threw it away.

That's what, as we said on Sammy, is that's what we do when you watch these rental, rent, you know, those storage lockers where they have

buy a chip and we'll see what's in it or bad wars yeah yeah that's because the owner lost

he lost ownership rights to it so she lost ownership rights and yet they went after james o'keefe and got him as an underwear on the allegation that he had quote unquote stolen this diary so there's a diary there's all of hunter's stuff and then there's joe's papers this family can't keep anything straight joe lost his he put the papers in the library no he put it in an on-name room No, he put it at his office at the Biden Center.

No, he put it in the garage.

He just can't remember, just like Hunter can't and just like the daughter can't, Ashley Biden.

Something's very wrong with all of those people.

And that makes it even more disgusting when the FBI has turned into a what, a professional retrieval service.

They sick agents on O'Keeffe about the diary.

They got former,

they took the laptop, they put it on ICE for a year.

They worked with Twitter and lied about it and hired Twitter at $3 million a year.

And they basically put out that don't print any information.

This is disinformation.

And so, so effective were they that Joe Biden referenced that in the debate, which, you know, I still can't figure out how we're told all of these brilliant, high-paid Hunter Biden lawyers, right,

that he hired $1,000 an hour.

I'm thinking, okay, when I heard that, I was thinking, this is going to be very interesting because they're about ready to file motions or contact the DOJ.

But how could they?

Because Joe Biden said in the debate with Trump that it was in his diary.

And he said earlier that 50 intelligence

officials have proved that it wasn't.

And then we have Hunter on four occasions.

Remember?

Well,

it could be, it could not be.

It might be Western disinformation, but then again, it might have been hacked or it could be.

I don't know.

And now his high-priced lawyers are saying, you, Mr.

Jean-Pierre, Mac, whatever his name is, you have broken the law.

Because you took the contents of Hunter by as soon as they said that, I thought, wow, this is stupid.

You could get a guy from Selma at 50 bucks an hour that wouldn't make that mistake.

And of course,

the next day they came back, right?

And said, well, we didn't say it was Hunters.

We said it could have been Hunters or it could be us.

And you know what I mean?

It was just

that case is going nowhere after they've done that.

I can show you.

There are more pictures of Hunter on this in

pictures you don't want to see.

You got to wash your eyes after it.

But that's the other thing, Gabby.

If this was some concocted piece of espionage as opposed to some pervert's actual uh laptop it would have taken thousands and thousands of hours to create the content that that is on this thing it's it's unfathomable that that this these

only experts yeah only a narcissist would do it those pictures where he's almost gay looking where he's naked and he and he's kind of got a cigarette yeah kind of like he's in the satiric con.

Yeah, there's something wrong with him.

And remember, there's also that racist component where he has an exchange with his cousin about what type of hooker she's going to help him find.

And remember, he says, no Asians.

And she says, no, I don't do Asians.

And,

you know, when I juxtapose that to the corn pop saga, and you ain't black, and

you're a junkie, and first clean president, black candidate who is articulate, the donut riffs.

There's something wrong with that family for that young person to be just,

you know,

we don't want Asians.

I couldn't believe that.

And then he agreed, you know, or both of them agreed.

There's something really bad, bad, bad, bad.

I'm at want of adjectives, pernicious.

disgusting, depraved.

I don't know what the proper adjective is for that family.

Yeah.

But they're pathological liars.

All of them are.

And they're crooks.

And the only time, if you watched him lately, the only time he can become animated is when he's attacking somebody.

If you have to, if he has to defend his record or anything, he's just boring and slurs word.

But you get him on the ultra mega and he starts getting his eyes get beady and he gets angry.

And just, I mean, it's just a classic Biden.

I'd i'd like to say it's the 85 year old guy in the corner house when when you're a kid and you cut the corner sidewalk and he's like get off my grass but he's always been this way yeah he was uh he was

yeah

well victor um

let's move on and and talk about uh in the in the next uh segment or two we'll talk about uh covet emergencies ending and we're going to talk about some pro-life kids tormented at the smithsonian and we'll get to that right after these important messages.

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so the story percolated over the last few days about these pro-life

high school kids who were in Washington January 20th for the March for Life, which is an annual occurrence.

And as you know, as often kids from far away, they're coming on a school bus.

They all dress with similar hats, like the Covington, you know, high school kids.

They were wearing red hats.

Why?

Because while they're in Washington, they may be going,

doing some sightseeing also.

And it's easy to keep track of everyone if they're wearing something similar.

You see that when you're a tourist in Europe, has 37 people and they're all wearing

the same blue shirt.

Why?

Because they're in a group.

Well, these kids were wearing a blue hat, cap, wool cap that said, you know, pray the rosary.

And while they were in the the Smithsonian, somebody from the Smithsonian came up and told them they could not wear these caps anymore because, why?

The political message on the hat, and they were going to be in trouble and they were going to get thrown out.

This is kind of, you know, this is at the Air and Space Museum.

Can you imagine, Victor, in 20, was it 2017 when

the women's march in Washington were all the pussy hats.

Imagine if there were people wearing pussy hats at the Smithsonian.

They were told, you got to get out of here.

We don't expect it to be.

It's the same theme that we all, I think everybody listening is sick of this because this country was founded on justice with a blindfold.

And that's the Roman and Greek idea that there has to be equality under the law.

And the government does not favor one side or the other.

But when you look at the Trump raid versus the kid gloves of Biden, or you look at the FBI's partisanship.

Everything has been weaponized.

And so we always say, and we look at the January 6th, Julie Kelly's written some wonderful articles about the maltreatment that they've been subjected to, you know, illegal parading.

Four misdemeanors get you a year in prison.

I wish that guy, you remember in New York, Jack, with a hammer that went in and hit somebody?

and they let him out the same day.

Yeah.

Why didn't they just charge him with illegal parading?

If they charge him with illegal parading, they would have put him in a year behind bars.

That's what they did with the other guy at the Capitol, or the guy that tried to attend to Ashley Babbitt before she bled to death, which she did.

They dragged him away.

That doctor, they put,

I don't know how many, four or five months in jail.

So it's not symmetrical anymore.

And we all know that if you walked in to the Smithsonian and you said

choice, pro-choice, or so, they wouldn't say a word.

They wouldn't say a word.

So there's a systematic effort to go after a particular segment.

I shouldn't say particular, it's about half the population.

And we can get into it in the next one, and we'll get into it.

But when you look at the coverage of interracial violence, or you look at the kid gloves of Officer Bird, who basically lethally shot, almost executed Ashley Babbitt, versus

the reaction, not just to the white officer Shalvin, but the reaction to the five policemen that was white racist too, supposedly.

And so

it's just overwhelming now.

And I don't remember any time in my life when the law was so unequally applied or the customs and protocols of the government were so unequally applied.

Well,

in the South before the Civil Rights Act was passed, so there's again a connection with Confederate ways with the left.

Yeah, I mean,

you cannot pick up the Fresno B or a local media website and not see every single day a story that someone has been arrested for downloading pornography, and they should be.

But

how can that same society allow,

allow even a discussion that you're not going to use the word pedophile anymore, that it's going to be an

underage companion or partner?

Or, how can they even allow these drag shows where these transgender people get up on stage and they touch their genitals, they simulate intercourse, and there's children in there

accompanying the parents.

I mean, they can't take a child into a bar where a bunch of old guys are slumped over the bar drinking a martini, but you can bring a child in and watch that sexually explicit stuff.

And it's all because of ideology.

And that's,

you know, that was my big disappointment.

Again, I have to apologize because I really thought that things like that had outraged the American people.

And I didn't think they would fall for draining the petroleum reserve or the loan amnesty or demagoguing a robot versus wade in the midterms, but it did work.

But my God, think of what the left has done.

They have destroyed the whole idea of jurisprudence.

They've destroyed the whole idea of one restroom, another restroom for men and women.

They have destroyed the idea of women's sports and records that were hollowed and had been there for decades of hard work for women to obtain

equality.

They just destroyed with these transgendered athletes.

I could go on, but they've done so much in so little time, and nobody pushes back.

Nobody pushes back about it.

And

they need to be every time.

I don't like to criminalize behavior by lawsuits, but every time

they get sued, they back off.

And you and I talked about the poor Baker now, the trend, you know, they've got another, they target him.

He no sooner gets,

you know, he.

he gets off one and then they're back at him again.

Right.

You would think you won a case before the Supreme Court, you know, done.

It's not.

No.

No, the attitude is keep at it and you will find an Obama judge somewhere.

And when you find that Obama judge, then you're home free.

This is a problem, if I may, Victor, with some of my colleagues, former colleagues, or other

outlets of conservative journalism who seem to be more interested in circular firing squads than doing some of the hard work, which would be like who you take the masterpiece, uh cake um uh jack phillips who are the people on this colorado panel that adjudicates the these you know this this bureaucracy that has been putting the screws to them why not take do some do some legwork and writing and expose who these decision makers are like who's the person within the department of energy that's we're not going to talk about this today we're going to raise it there about the gas stoves and you saw in the last day or two yeah you know what They really were intending to put out a regulation banning gas stoves.

It wasn't just something.

Of course, they were.

So, who is it?

Who wrote it?

Like, who's the bureaucrat?

Let's get faces instead of you never know who they are until they come after you.

And then when you try to sue them, suddenly you're against the whole power.

I had a whole chapter in The Dying Citizen, The Unelected.

And I've watched it my whole life, Jack.

When I started farming in 1980 with my brother's cousin, we had one, we had a wall in this little ad hoc packing house, and it had one regulation about the content of the wax and the water.

And when I

faded out into a full-time professor, there was about 30 of them, and it just was relentless, relentless.

And they would all come out, and you would say to them, We are packing 5,000 plums a day on a good day if we're lucky.

This packer and that are doing 100,000.

Some of them are doing 400,000 packs.

Why don't you go over there and go after what the real problem is?

Because we're not, we're doing,

they always pick on the bake, you know, this poor cake maker, or these poor

kids at the Smithsonian.

They're cowardly.

That's the thing to remember about these bureaucrats.

They put their finger in the air every morning and they find out where the power and which way it is going and how their career trajectory will be affected.

And then they make up, they make up

the exegesis.

And you can see it with a balloon, too.

Right.

So they shoot it down.

They're saying already, well, we were planning to shoot it down, but you know, there's five people for every square mile in Montana.

So it's the size of two buses.

So that's why that wasn't why, because if you really believe that, you could shot it, as we said, over the Aleutians or in the off right when it came across into the North American mainland.

So they, but somebody made that decision and they were all for it.

And then the decision was reversed, and then they're all for the reversal, and they make the necessary lies and corrections.

And that's how it works.

That's why,

you know, Starve the Beast was that Reagan idea was that if you cut the revenue, then there's not enough money.

But of course, it didn't work out too well because it just went up the debt.

But they got to do something about these unaccountable judge, jury, and execution,

judge, jury, and execution.

They're legislative, executive, and judicial, all in one.

I'll repeat myself.

Journalists can be very lazy.

They may be lazier than most people, but entities that

are publications, I think they could really be doing America a service by

putting a name to these faces.

For example, the pro-life guy that got off the other day, remember the guy in pennsylvania who was charged uh by the justice department because he pushed some yes ov uh who's intimidating his kid and they had the fbi swat team come to his house right to his right like who ordered it

yeah who who who who who you know who ordered it they some young spunky guy from harvard law school yale law school who works at the doj who wanted to impress the assistant who wanted to impress the associate

attorney general who wanted to impress Merrick Garland, who wanted to impress, that's how it works.

And so that's how they did it.

And if it paid better, they'd be fascist.

So if

somebody said, you know what, if

you can raid some Antifa person, go ahead.

But

it's not in vogue now.

You can't do that now.

But if

I'm not saying they're not ideological, but it's basically careerist.

And they do what is what they feel 51%.

That's why it's incumbent upon everybody listening, all conservatives, you have to send the message that you are the majority and you run the institutions and there's going to be consequences.

The days of the Marcus of Queensbury rules are over with.

That is a John McCain, Mitt Romney prescription to annihilation.

That's smile and lose another election by, you know, four points and say how well you did.

You've got to take it to them.

You've got to be merciless.

And because they are.

And that's why I'm very pleasantly surprised at Kevin

McCarthy's doing, you know what I mean?

Right.

He's doing, he's doing, so far, he's, he's got these people off the committees.

But I didn't understand that two, was it three people on the, on the Republican congressional body that voted present or they didn't want to take Ileana Omar off the committee?

I saw that Nancy Mace, who's been making a name for herself the last, you know, since November from South Carolina, was one.

She wanted to see due process.

This is what she doesn't understand.

That's like telling Lennon you need due process.

They don't have one dissenting vote in the Democratic caucus.

They don't, not one.

They never do.

It's ironclad.

They have an agenda.

And if you think that they're going to be impressed by your magnanimity, you're sorely mistaken, Representative Mace.

They're not.

Ilyan Omar is an outright anti-Semite.

We talked about

that in the same.

Yeah, and we did.

And the idea that she's on the Foreign Relations Committee is a travesty.

So I'm glad that she, Kevin McCarthy, did that.

Well, just wrap up this talk

by letting folks know that the

blue hats the students wore at the Smithsonian that had the rosary on it, the word rosary, these illegal hats or troublemaking hats, forbidden hats, happened at the Smithsonian, which has an exhibit for the pussy hat.

So at the Museum of American History.

So it depends on what color hat you are wearing.

Some are permissible.

Some political hats are permissible, some not.

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So, Victor, the president,

announced a couple of days ago that on May 11th,

the emergencies.

Let me read this.

Biden's announcement to Congress came in a statement opposing resolutions being brought to the floor this week by House Republicans to end the emergency with immediate effect.

House Republicans are also gearing up to launch investigations into the federal government's response to COVID-19.

By the way, the date set by the Biden administration for the end of these emergencies is May 11th.

Quote, an abrupt end to the emergency declarations would create wide-ranging chaos and uncertainty throughout the healthcare system for states, for hospitals, doctors' offices, and more importantly, for tens of millions of Americans, end quote, the Office of Management and Budget wrote in a statement of administration policy.

You know, Victor, if there's no emergency, I agree.

Like, why, why, what's the magical thing about May 11th?

Why not February 11th?

Why not today?

Because then

let's ask everybody listening: to what degree were you aware of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases prior to COVID?

Did you remember who was Miss Burks?

Who was Miss Profauci?

What was the CD?

So these people expropriated power at the health establishment, and they don't want to give it up.

And

they were able to do all sorts of things.

At one point, Anthony Fauci was adjudicating whether you had to pay your rent or not.

If he could declare that this was a natural, national emergency, and then the government would use that medical ruling and say, you know, we have to be shut down.

If you don't have a job, you don't have to pay your rent.

We haven't really recovered.

There's a good article, Jack, in Newsweek, the Resurrected Newsweek, which is a little bit more to the center than the old Newsweek.

Oh, the old one was really.

Yeah, yeah.

This is left, but it's left center.

And this guy is a medical student, Kevin Bass, I think his name was.

And it's basically, oh, I was so wrong.

Can't we all admit we were so wrong?

And basically, it's about a thousand words saying

all the evil people that we loathe, like Jay Bacharia and Scott Atlas and John Iannides and the Martin Kullendorf and the great Barrington people were right.

That

Sweden turned out to be no more, no less on average,

as far more no more or no less damaged, inordinate number of death than the average country in Europe, but without the social, economic, cultural trauma.

And so then he basically lays it out and says, you know, the spousal abuse, familial abuse, suicide, two years of education that will take five or six years, if ever, to make up with millions of kids that lost that, the psychological trauma of being isolated and weak in, you know, all the things that happened from the George Floyd riots on and on and on, the change in the election, everything.

If you take up that toll and you count it up, it's nothing.

I mean, the epidemic is nothing compared to the damage that we did because of the economic.

When we destroyed civil liberties, we destroyed people's lives, we destroyed businesses, we destroyed the economy, we destroyed the way we vote.

This is besides all of us who missed doctor's appointments or cancer screenings or cardio checks and died.

And it's just that it's shocking, this article.

It just says, we were all wrong.

We were all wrong.

I'm thinking, well,

yeah, everybody knew that.

They tried to tell you, you and other people.

They wrote about it.

They argued with you.

But what did you do?

You tried to destroy Dr.

Pacharya.

You tried to destroy Scott Atlas.

You tried to destroy John Yannidis.

You tried to destroy Martin Kullendorf.

They tried to destroy them all.

And nobody ever gave them an apology.

Nobody ever said to Scott Atlas, hey, we shouldn't have suspended you

without pay or medical benefits from the Hoover Institution.

Hey, we shouldn't have accused you of crackpot science and that you were unprofessional.

We

members of the faculty senate or we members of the medical.

None of them, they don't do that.

I mean, they don't ever make up for the damage they did.

I can remember a little bit, and you know,

there were things about the virus when it first came I was really troubled by, and that was I was starting to hear these reports.

And I hear I would stay up late at night and look at

these news accounts.

You remember that people as early as September were having the virus?

You remember that in Italy and China was saying that it didn't start until late January in America.

I think it was February 13th.

And then they were trying to tell us that the gene sequence was completely natural from a

pangolin or a bat,

but it didn't make sense.

And there were people who were objecting.

And

so I said, I think, I wrote an essay and said, you know,

I think John Yannides did an early antibody sampling test where almost 2% or 3% of average people tested positive for COVID very early.

And I wrote this and said, I think COVID's been here since November.

It turned out it was earlier.

We didn't know about it.

And the Chinese knew about it.

And I wrote and I said, it's pretty clear that it came from the lab.

And it's pretty clear that the Chinese government knew about it.

And it's pretty clear that they

green lighted direct flights to Europe and JFK and LAX and SFO

while they wouldn't let you travel if you were a resident of of Wuhan anywhere else within China.

So I went on.

All these things are banal now.

And this person for, I think her name was Hu,

H-U for Slate, attacked me.

And the next thing I knew, I had the Stanford alumni people at my, you know, that I had misrepresented my medical conditional as if I had them because I had somebody had referred to me as Dr.

Hansen, which I never use.

And

I would never, I've never been, I never called myself a doctor in my life, much less a medical doctor.

So,

and I don't think having a PhD warrants the word, the title doctor.

But nevertheless, it was so weird.

And then I was thinking about that the other day that in that article, almost everything I said was right.

Right.

It was here in November, or at least it was circulating, and it was from the lab.

And the Chinese government did know it,

and

it

was probably up, and I think I can't remember, but I think I also insinuated it was under the control of the Chinese military, which it was, the lab.

And it was so self-righteous this person attacked me.

The only thing that was nice about it, I wrote a reply to her, and she said I was also racist.

because I suggested that the Chinese, that we have to be very careful that people are coming from China, and they had called us racist for having a travel

block.

Remember that?

They said that when Trump did that, too late, but they did call him.

And I said, most of these people are from the

People's Liberation Army.

And she said, this was great.

And she said, I was a racist.

And

so I quoted.

this very, very,

much more animated, angry account of Chinese Chinese students spying, of Chinese students being members of the People's Liberation Army families, of people

trying to peddle a false narrative about Wuhan.

And

then I, at the end of that reply, I pointed out that the person who wrote that was her boss at Slate.

And she was saying how racist, I said it.

And then I just said, if you think,

What I said is racist, then you should resign because you're working under a person who wrote this article that I drew on.

And that's how they are.

But they never, Fauci has never said any word of apology, never once.

And

Burks hasn't

either.

And they did a lot of damage.

I'm not saying that COVID was, I mean, I had it for nine months.

So I'm not

downplaying it.

And I believe, you know, as I've said before, a lot of our employment problems are that one in 10

are either afraid of COVID, so they're not functioning or they're not out in society as they should be, or one in 10 have long COVID and they can't get back to a normal level of energy, or one in 10 have altered their lifestyles because they like the post-COVID environment of Zoom and don't show up for work.

So it had enormous amounts of effect, and it was a serious disease, but the the medicine, so to speak, as uh to quote an old Roman nostrum, um, was much worse than the disease.

Right.

Well, Victor,

we are about out of time, but I want to set aside two.

I want to have a special end of show thing I'd like to share with our listeners, but I'm going to spring something on you and give you two minutes maybe to comment on it.

Did you see this piece?

I just saw it today in the Daily Mail.

We used to talk about California religiously on the podcast, every other podcast, and I've gotten away from that, and that's bad of me.

But here's a California thing I'm going to throw at you quickly: headline: defund the police.

L.A.

City Council member asks the LAPD for extra patrols around his office after his car broke down and had to be left in the parking lot overnight.

This is a guy named Hugo Soto Martinez, trade union activist and member of the Democratic Socialist Party.

He was elected to the LA City Council in December on a platform of abolishing the LAPD.

And his car breaks down.

Of course, what does he do immediately i want more i want more uh cops around to protect my broken down car i think we can believe that right

yeah yeah you know that i just thought of something you said you remember he was a very skilled rider and i think the me too kind of did him in but leon weissel till is it yeah we saltier weisseltier new republic

right yeah i used to but

He was a very controversial guy, and I thought that he actually was maltreated, but

he was all over the political map or he was apolitical, whatever term you use.

But he wrote a very insightful article maybe 20 years ago called, remember that the decline of the black intellectual?

It was the cover story in the New Republic and it caused a wave.

And he's got a great scene where he interviews, I think it's Cornell West,

who's giving him the usual,

this is an unfair racist society, and they want to go down to Harlem.

But he explains that he's not taking his jaguar or mercedes down to harlem there's no way in the world that he would take his fancy high-priced car and drive it into the black community that he's trying to tell this

you know reporter leon about how unfair america is

yeah so yeah so i mean there's the world of what

There's the world of

the street.

Yeah, you're in Plato's cave.

There's the real people and then there's the

shade on the wall.

And that's what it is.

We live in two alternate realities and everybody knows what's going on and nobody wants to talk about it.

And that's what

we just live.

We just live in a, I think I wrote an article called The Empire of Lies.

And it's just

And that came up too.

Do you remember when Todd Nahisi Coates was very active before he became a multi-million dollar

comic book author?

But he had that book, The Talk.

You remember?

I wrote it for National Review, and I said, there was also another talk.

Do you remember that?

And he said, every young African-American has to have a talk about how he's going to be maltreated by the police.

And I can see that.

I can see that.

But

there was no context that if you're 4% of the population and you're committing 55% of the violent crime, then you might expect that the police would be inordinately stereotyping you, but nothing like that.

But I pointed out, I said, I got a talk from my dad too.

And it basically said, you're living in East Palo Alto, California, which is the murder capital per capita of California, if not the nation.

So you should be very, very careful where you go.

And then, you know,

and

he was saying that after he took my mother, who was a judge, up to San Francisco, and they got surrounded in a parking lot at night.

And he had some, I think he gave $20 to each of the potential assailants and said that this was a state appellate court judge, and they left.

And it wasn't a bad neighborhood.

But my point is that I got really attacked as a racist.

I mean, God, everybody attacked that.

But

I think every African-American parent gives two talks.

One, be careful about the police.

And two, be careful about the inner city on a Saturday night.

Because, and that seems self-evident, but that's something, you know, it's a reality we can't talk about.

I just like to finish today's podcast.

And I've talked about this phenomenon too.

I'm really kind of,

I don't know, I'm puzzled by it, but have you noticed this, Jack?

I know our listeners are listening.

You get an article in

the Daily Mail or American Greatness,

or it doesn't have to be conservative even.

It can be CBS News website or

Fox News site or what.

And it's pretty straightforward.

And usually there are certain little nuances that avoid controversy.

And sometimes if the

suspect is African American, they won't say that.

If the person is white male, it's a joke, they put his picture up, right?

You know, that kind of stuff.

So, but it's pretty straightforward.

And then you start to read the comments

and they're uncensored.

And they're almost, I mean, they're most inflammatory.

Have you noticed what I'm saying?

I do.

And it's, it's almost, you know, some of them are racist, some of them are angry, some of them are insurrectionary.

I'm thinking, wow, this is such a strange juxtaposition.

The paper, the media, whatever the venue is, goes out of its way to be politically correct and censors and warps the news account, but then they publish everything

completely uncensored.

And it's, it's like sometimes it's border on Klan-like, you know what I mean?

And I can't figure it out.

I thought, why don't you just be honest in your news account and disinterested and just tell it like it is, but not print all that stuff.

And I guess what they're thinking is:

read the article, and it's going to make you so mad that the comments are going to be even wilder.

So, you want to go read the comments, and that'll give us more traffic.

That's in a nutshell.

Yeah, and then we're not responsible for the comments, so we just print it.

We can't, but we really want you to read this crazy, nutty people who are racist that are commenting, and yet, and they invite that.

And it's really weird.

Well, people aren't buying the actual, you know, piece of paper anymore.

So the

slim revenue potential are the eyeballs on the internet.

And yeah, you've got to keep them coming.

If you read the comments on major stories in some of these major, these are not fringe publications.

You'd think we're going to be on the edge of a civil war.

I mean, what the people are writing.

Well, we had them, we stopped the, well, National Review allows comments for people who pay, you know, subscription, and some of them are not even, but uh, in the old, before that, anyone could comment.

And it was, it was, uh, it was a nightmare, you know, the wackadoos out there.

And you just think, like, why is why, you know, there's some people that spend their whole life commenting and they really need to be seeing a psychiatrist rather than

spending a whole day criticizing stuff.

Hey, anyway, Victor, we're almost out of time, but I got to tell our you and our

readers, our listeners, something.

So about a year ago, actually, I think a year ago, almost to the day we were doing a a podcast and you were talking about uh galileo and uh and the and the vatican we're not going to get into that but so uh somebody commented on it and as we read the comments at the end of the show i read a comment uh by uh father john hollowell

And it was titled Big Fan, but Galileo.

And then he got into some very, you know, friendly explanation of Galileo's relationship with the Pope at the time.

Anyway, he was a a big fan.

So somebody else who has my email address and knows Father Holloway wrote me a couple of, like a week or so later.

I said, it was so good that you mentioned his name on the podcast.

He's such a good man.

He's 40.

He's young and he's very conservative and he's dying.

He's got brain cancer.

He's dying.

And so me, you know, I'm the former Alta boy.

I was like, oh, geez, I got to, so I said, get me, where is he?

Where can I get in touch with him?

So he told me and I did get in touch with him

shortly thereafter.

I had a very long talk with him.

Awfully nice guy, but, you know,

death was coming.

He went to the Mayo Clinic.

There's nothing we can do.

Brain tumor.

It's over.

It's over.

I was so happy the other day.

Some people who are hyper-Catholic may have seen this on.

internet, but actually the Daily Mail did a piece on him.

He went to Lourdes.

Now, Lourdes, my friends, even you non-Catholics, you may have seen the song of Bernadette, you know, back in the, the, from Jennifer Jones was in it.

She won an Oscar.

Lourdes is a place for cures.

Very few people do get cured, but people go.

And Father Hollowell went to Lourdes and his inoperable,

you know, certain to die tumor is gone.

It's considered.

Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack.

Yes, yes, my brother.

So you're telling it, and this was, he had a CAT scan that shows this pernicious tumor.

And then he got,

you have to tell me the mechanics, he drinks the water or he ducks himself in the water.

Well, I didn't, you know, there is a spring there.

Okay, okay.

And then

the tumor disappears.

Yeah, it's gone.

Have you ever been to Epidaurus and seen the tholos of the Tholos temple of Asclepias?

I have not, Victor.

Well, we have a lot of people.

How do we know what any of those words?

Well,

we have a lot of the inscriptions from the Pholos, and they're reconstructing it last time I was there.

But the point is that you went to any temple of Asclepius, but this was the most famous.

I think Alexander the Great funded it, or that was the Philippian.

But anyway,

you go there and you inhale some certain things, and there's snakes kept in the basement, and they come out and wither around.

And they're the sacred

messenger or pet of the god Exclepius.

You know that the American Cancer Society where you have the staff

snake that comes from Exclepius.

So and then

you inhale these vapors and you go into a mystic fit and you're cured.

You walk out of the temple of Exclepius and then as

a sign of your gratitude, there are peddlers outside.

And they, if you can't hear, they give you a clay ear.

If you can't walk, they give you a foot.

If you're impotent, they give you a phallus.

Whatever it is that was cured, then you make an offering.

And they can be wood or they can be silver, depending on how much money or how much gratitude you want to show the God exclepus.

Then you hang that party.

And we have all of those.

I mean, not all of them, but the excavators have found them.

So it was the same principle.

But no one believes

in our age of reason that this

was anything.

You know what I'm saying?

That they just, they believe that it was a bunch of

Asclepiadias

Inc.

Incorporated who made a lot of money on this.

So

I'm trying to give you the voice of reason.

Yeah, well, the church takes very seriously,

the Catholic Church, and because many people, millions of people go to Lord's and

they're going there prayerfully.

I take it seriously.

I'm just trying to be facetious.

I really believe in the power of prayer.

And everybody listening

knows that at certain times of their life, a thought has come through into their mind.

And suddenly there's been a visual.

Like

my favorite car was a 1959

Volvo 544.

And then they're very rare.

And then all of a sudden, as you're thinking that, you see one drive by you.

We all have had that experience.

And I know that rationalists would say, well, there's millions of those experiences.

One has to be a coincidence.

But it's more than that.

You think of certain things, or you think, I haven't heard from a person in a long time, and they call.

So there is some, I don't know what the word is.

I don't know if it's religious or cosmic or what, but there are forces in

the world.

God made the world, and if he wants to engage a little more intimately on occasion, he does.

In the form of a miracle, he can.

And he does.

And to this particular person, Father John Holliwell from Indiana, who is a fan of this podcast and a fan of Victor Davis-Hanson, I am so happy.

I am too.

I should have said that the first thing.

I'm not trying to doubt that he's cured.

I'm just trying to make sure that everybody understands

that

curing and everything requires faith.

And you can't calibrate faith.

The powers of reason can explain 90% of the phenomenon that we all interact with every single day, but they can't explain 10%

of the human experience.

I know I don't mean that in

the relative importance of religion, just in a daily,

everything you do during the day, turn on the lights, see a

cloud burst, see a dog how you can, there's a scientific explanation, but there are some phenomenon every single day you cannot.

Instinct.

How do you measure instinct, right?

But it's certainly true.

No, I remember that one day I had a beautiful Airedale Terrier.

I had trained that dog and I got in.

I was very careful.

And I was thinking, what a beautiful dog it was.

And I was on a Massey 275 with a spray rig, and that dog bolted, went out of the cage.

He ran after me.

I couldn't hear because I was spraying.

In those days, we didn't wear protective hearing or clothing.

And he had such thick hair that he got behind

the big wheel.

And there's something called power takeoff shaft on a tractor that goes to the spray rig that turns it.

And it has a plastic cover so you don't see it to protect you.

And he got in between the sleeve and a piece of hair on his neck got caught.

And that thing turns, you know, at 2,000 or and that thing just whipped him around and threw him 20 feet in the air and he was dead and the first foot in the air.

I thought, how could that possibly have happened?

There's no explanation for it.

He's never done that before.

So there's mysteries in the world.

I, you know, can't, like, we could all hang up to now and drop dead.

We don't know why.

We don't get hit by a car.

We don't know why.

So reason has limits, even at Davos.

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