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So, Victor,

I'm going to compress three kind of related news items and to get your broader opinion on all that's going on here.

First, we have, as we mentioned in the previous podcast, Merrick Garland has appointed Democrat

prosecutor Jack Smith to be the special prosecutor for this

investigation, two-fold investigation into, hey, did Donald Trump have

documents at Mar-a-Lago that he shouldn't have had post-presidency?

And two, what did he do to try and forestall the 2020 election results or see that

Joe Biden not become president post-election day?

So that's what Smith is doing.

Turns out Breitbart reports a week ago a story that Jim Jordan, the congressman from Ohio, has found and

news that information that

Jack Smith is a Democratic hack who was very involved in trying to go after people, this a few years ago, who were conservatives who were

irate, angry, seeking justice over IRS, big shot Lois Lerner and her attempts to

keep

nonprofit status from applicants.

So, we have a Jack Smith thing.

Separately, we have news out today

from, I just saw this on the Washington Examiner website that the Republican House committees have sent a notice to at least 42 high-ranking Democrats from the Department of Justice and Department of Education, et cetera, that they're going to want to have them up before their committees to answer questions about the FBI breaking the chops of parents and actually trying to go

after parents

at school board meetings last year.

We have broader questions about the FBI, about border security, and other

issues.

And then the third thing, Victor,

is that there's also news that the Democrats

have a George Soros funded, I'm sure it's not only George Soros, many others, a war room that's created that is going to be engaged in trying to battle in the public through social media and their friendly news sites,

these Republican House investigations into Hunter Biden and other things.

So, Victor, there's this back and forth of

investigations and the like.

Any of those or all of them, what would you like to say about this, Victor?

Well, I wrote a column not too long ago called the same old, same old, and I said that with the announcement of the special counsel, Jack Smith, and remember Jack, it came right after the midterm.

So it was that cluster of, oh, wow.

It just happened, sort of, kind of, maybe, that we're going to announce a special counsel to go after Trump.

It just sort of kind of happened, maybe,

that we're going to leak that there were no nuclear secrets after the election in the trove, which we had leaked that there were.

It just sort of kind of happened that Sam Friedman Freed, or we could call him Bankman Freed, it just sort of kind of happened after the elections

that

his whole democratic philanthropy project collapsed with his Ponzi scheme, along with his Ponzi scheme.

And that's the bookend act to the pre-election timing.

It just sort of kind of happened that we're going to forgive student loans right before the elections.

It sort of kind of happened.

that we're going to give amnesty for marijuana.

It just sort of kind of happened

that we're going to drain the strategic petroleum reserve.

So I take all of these announcements in the context of political opportunity.

But I said in this column that we're going to do, we're going to hear the same thing that we heard about old Bob Mueller.

Remember here, the consummate expert, dream team, I think Max Boot called it a hunter-killer team,

the All-Stars, pros.

We heard all that, and we're already hearing it about Jack Smith.

I think that Andrew Weissman, who really shouldn't be tweeting, given his naked partisanship and his inability to quite hijack that Mueller, he tried his best, but even he couldn't come up with anything incriminating.

But nevertheless, he's out there commenting what a great guy Jack Smith is and how tough he is.

And I said that they were going to call him, they were going to say, oh, he's a consummate professional.

He's so tough.

He's so unbiased.

And of course, we learn that

he

was unrelenting before the 2012 election

to make sure that PACs,

excuse me, that nonprofits that were conservative in nature were not formed or were delayed in being formed so they could not affect, he felt, the election.

He was a zealot.

And then

there's stories circulating about his wife.

There's a liberal

New York Times former columnist, I think, James Ryson.

I'm not a big fan of his, given his obsessions with various things, but he has a column basically saying the guy's obsessed and went after me for leaking something about the CIA.

And so you can't find a prosecutor really that's not on the left side in this administration or that this administration would appoint.

the question is this though jack

this is roadrunner's fifth encounter the first was

wiley coyotes they started the impeachment impeachment number one that trial failed impeachment number two that trial failed

then there was the 22 month

well simultaneously there was a 22 month mueller investigation that failed then there was a mar-lago raid we're going to see how that pounds out.

But

this is the

culmination after now, Citizen Trump, of a whole series of failed efforts to, when we have the tax fraud and all of that.

So you can see it's an obsession with the left.

And

you got to put it in that context.

And the question is, is this going to be any different?

And why I'm sort of thinking it might

is because, as we saw with John Durham, you can be professional, and they won't be professional.

You cannot leak to the press, and they will leak to the press.

And

you can

go before a Northern Virginia or D.C.

jury and lose, and they're going to go before a Northern Virginia jury or D.C.

jury and think they're going to win.

What I'm getting at is, so far, these investigations have not had one common denominator, and that is putting Donald Trump before a biased hard-left jury in D.C.

This guy will be able to do that.

And I think, as we learn from some of the testimonies of the jurors after their acquittals of Sussman and Dushenko, I think their attitude is: we're just going to nullify the evidence.

If he's Donald Trump and you put him before us, we're going to find him guilty.

I'm not supposed to say that because that shows you that you're undermining democracy or something, but I think that's what they're counting on.

That special counsel Smith will get something.

And that something will be put before a jury.

And that jury will be weaponized and they're going to convict Trump of something.

And they're not sure about the politics of it.

Their hatred of him is so overriding.

that they're failing to heed caution from other people that

maybe you don't want to take Trump out given although he polls ahead of DeSantis in the primaries, DeSantis might do as well or better against Biden.

And so we'll see.

But

it's all weaponized.

It's a weaponized situation.

We know what's going on.

And

these are sins of commission.

But, Jack,

why we're talking about this, we being the American people, there's this big gigantic Biden elephant in the room.

And

without any shame on the left of trying to convince us that this was Russian disinformation, the Biden syndicate information on the laptop, it sits there.

And it just sits there, sits there, sits there.

And

this creepy Merrick Garland who has all of this virtue signaling dispassionate aura about him is a rank

partisan, he's a hack, he's a shyster, because if he had any integrity, he would appoint a special counsel and they would look at the laptop and they would call in Tony Bobolinski and they would call in people he says were in the room with various Biden members.

They would get all of the emails, they would look at the stuff and then I don't know how they would not at least say that the Biden members, probably the president himself, were trading on his office to

make an enormous amount of money.

And they would bring in the IRS and they would say, this is the amount of money that we think came into the coffers and we want to see exactly

whether it was not reported by Joe Biden, by Joe Biden,

by Hunter Biden, by the brother, the niece, a whole bunch of them.

But they're not going to do that.

And so

we'll see.

But I should say this is probably the sixth iteration of going after Trump because we can't forget the January 6th committee.

And as you pointed out, that's mired in controversy because Liz Cheney thought, hmm, I'm so prestigious, I'm so powerful, I have this name that I'm going to take this committee and turn it into my personal vehicle to destroy Donald Trump.

And now a lot of the assistants, i.e.

the left-wing staffers, They're saying, they're leaking to the press, why, my God, she's not going to let us get into what we we really want to go into.

We just don't want to go after Donald Trump because he may be gone.

We want to make this a systemic indictment of the entire conservative movement.

We want to say the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and all these people were organized and they were paid off and they were insurrectionaries.

And we do not want to go into the FBI informants or what Mike.

Mr.

Rosenberg said about from the New York Times about FBI informants everywhere, and the whole thing was more like a carnival.

I'm quoting him directly.

So she can't control this left-wing staffers who are leaking that she's obsessed about Donald Trump to the extent that she's preventing a liberal indictment of the entire conservative, quote-unquote, insurrection.

Victor, I'd like us you to touch a little bit again about

what Jack Smith had done in his a decade ago,

And maybe even a little broader.

Nonprofits are thought of commonly, and

mostly rightly, as organizations of volunteers who want to ameliorate hunger

in this town or clothing for the poor, support a hospital, support a school, et cetera, special Olympics,

a broad range of things.

But

the rationale behind nonprofit status is your organization is going to do something that maybe otherwise

the Commonwealth or the state would have to do.

But by you doing it, you're providing this service.

So therefore, the people who support you get a tax deduction.

But we still have this common, good, you know, good do-gooders, local do-gooders is the mindset of nonprofits.

But, Victor, we know that nonprofit, people,

the nonprofits in america today

uh

you're on a board of one that actually gives grants and you may be on other non-profits but there are gargantuan uh leftist

uh money sources the ford foundation pew others who give um staggering amounts of money 20 to one jack 20 to one i've seen the data on it 20

one of i doubt i doubt that i bet it's even

big well you may be right but i saw a presentation presented to us when you look at the Tides Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation,

Sorrels Foundation, Gates Foundation, Zuckerberg Foundation, Bloom.

And remember, all of these so-called nonprofits are allowable on law to emphasize different types of activities that

let's admit it are ideological.

Does anybody not think the Ford Foundation doesn't fund exclusively liberal efforts?

And political efforts.

That's the thing.

Political efforts.

And I can say that as a member of the Bradley Foundation, we are scrupulous about we cannot go in and fund or identify with campaigns or particular candidates.

So what we do is traditional American principles, and

we try to support any group.

We don't really care if they're Democratic or Republican if they are promoting particular principles that are in line with the original intent of the founders of the foundation.

But this guy went in right on the eve, this guy, meaning special counsel Smith, right on the eve of the 2012 election, and he targeted,

and he was pretty relentless.

I always thought that came out of the IRS, but from this latest disclosure, it seemed to come out of people in the DOJ working with the IRS.

Right.

That he wanted to go down and, on the eve of the election, put pressure on these groups so that they wouldn't play an active part in the election.

And this is besides the fact that there's been stories about his wife who was a documentary filmmaker who had connections maybe with the Obama project or whatever it was.

And

what I'm getting at is

It's just an insult for Merrick Garland to stand there with a straight face and say that he doesn't, doesn't, there's no connection between him and Joe Biden when he deliberately withholds this announcement until after the midterms, since that might have galvanized a lot of people.

And more importantly, that he gives us praise of Mr.

Smith when we know that he's a creature of partisan politics to the extent that the most partisan special prosecutor in the history of this sort of, I think, flawed concept is Andrew Weissman on the Mueller team.

And he's out there tweeting and bragging that compared to him,

Smith is

a bulldog.

He's just a puppy.

So he is now bragging, bragging, bragging.

And you got the whole apparatus,

all of the cable news, all the print.

They have two themes.

Number one, he's a consummate professional, just like James Comey was, just like Andrew McCabe was, just like Bob Mueller was,

just like all of them are.

And more importantly,

he's tough.

He's a prosecutor's prosecutor.

And we should just be very cynical about that and say, no, he has one purpose, and that is to get some indictment, any indictment, and get it in front of a DC jury.

And when he does that, I think Mr.

Trump will be in big trouble.

Not because he's guilty or culpable, but because he's going to be against the entire wealth and power, not of a special counsel, but of basically the DOJ who's done all of the work.

So this guy's not coming in and starting from scratch.

He's grafting his investigation on, and he will get on his special counsel team people from the DOJ and FBI probably who have been doing this for a long time.

And it's going to be tough for Trump.

Yeah.

One last thing about Smith and going back in time, and one of the themes that you constantly hit on is how the left projects.

If you want to know what the left is up to, look at what they're attacking.

And he is a textbook case of this from what he did back in 2010, 11, and 12.

Let's attack conservative groups for allegedly getting involved in nonprofits and politics when they are

the scale.

That's

the daunting scale, Victor, is not the numbers you mentioned before, 20 to 1, which is Pew and Ford versus Bradley, but it's the amount of money that these billionaires and whatever put into Arabella Associates and

these other

talk about dark money.

The dark money on the left, it probably is

to one.

Who has done that?

Law professor and mother of Sam Bankman-Freed, his own mother, was ahead of a multi-million dollar

effort.

That was not a nonprofit.

It was a PAC.

And her job was to coordinate dark money from Silicon Valley and channel it in to the leftist of all candidates that were Democratic.

But what's the principle?

I think our listeners understand what the principle is that ties all of these things together.

The principle is that the progressive hard left project has agendas that the people don't want.

They want a closed border.

They don't want spread the wealth out of control inflation.

They want energy self-sufficiency and affordable fuel prices.

They don't want this Soros prosecutor paradigm.

They want people to be punished for the crimes they commit.

They want deterrence.

They want a Jacksonian, don't tread on me, foreign policy.

They're not getting it.

And the left knows they're not getting it.

The left knows that they don't want to be self-sufficient in fossil fuel energy.

They want this green project.

They believe in critical race theory, critical legal theory, critical everything theory.

And so they know that the people will not support that.

And so we saw in the midterms, they won't support it.

Then you go after the semi-fascists and the on-Americans and the back alley abortions, all of that stuff, you distract.

But essentially, they know that they can't win in the marketplace of ideas.

So each time there's an election, as I just pointed out, they have the pre-election

disclosures about loan trying to buy off the electorate with amnesties for dope convictions or amnesties for student loan debt or free discounts on gasoline by draining our strategic reserve, which is not designed for pre-election politicking.

And then they have the post-election disclosures that they delayed announcing, which we we see with the special prosecutor and the disclosures about the troll at Mar-a-Lago.

That's what they do.

And that's the context we should remember that this Mr.

Smith was doing.

Right before the election, he was going after

these nonprofits.

And our friend Clita Mitchell, remember, at the time, was trying to defend them and bring it to attention that these groups were being singled out and dealt asymmetrically with the powers of the federal government after them.

And this is also timing.

Remember, the great bombshell hot mic is at just about this time that Mr.

Smith was active on the domestic front, Mr.

Obama gave the game away in Seoul, South Korea, where he announced that just tell

Meded, he just said, just tell Vladimir, give me a little space, my last election, and we can be flexible on missile defense, i.e., I will tell the Czechs and the Poles, no missile defense, which he did.

And Vladimir, please don't invade these countries either right before or after the the election, which Vladimir did do.

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And then the result is he waited to the opportune time, and then he invaded eastern Ukraine and Crimea in 2014, and Obama gave up missile defense, which would have been very handy.

You know, we had a stray missile go into Poland.

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Putin some deterrence.

So that's what they do, because they don't have a resonant message that appeals to 51% of the population.

With

enemies like Barack Obama, who needs friends, right, Victor?

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Victor, Donald Trump was contacted by Kanye West, E, however he calls himself now,

who said, I want to come by for dinner.

And Trump said, come on.

And he brought two uninvited guests with him.

One was a woman,

a Florida political

expert, Karen Giorno.

But the other was Nick Fuentes, which is somewhat known among on the right.

He is a white supremacist.

He is an instigator, troublemaker, young guy.

But he was brought by West.

Trump didn't know who he was, but they dined, that Trump would dine at all with West, given his own recent controversies, his raised eyebrows, that he would have this other character there who, according to Kanye West, Trump seemed to have liked him.

Who knows?

Trump has responded to the criticisms that have come out.

But Victor,

I think it's in the whole seems troubling for Donald Trump that he even took this dinner and, of course, the publicity that's come out from it.

Is this a blip, Victor?

Do you think this has any greater significance or meaning or or concern?

Well, it's not going to go.

He shouldn't.

I mean, if you're Donald Trump and you're under 360-degree

24-7 media scrutiny, then when you have Kanye West come to Mar-Lago, you say to him, who is going to be there?

And because

everybody wants a picture

in a compromising situation, I don't think it's going to go anywhere.

Why?

Not that the media won't manipulate it, but because, I mean, I'm old enough to remember when I'm thinking the clown killer is it Gracie Gacy?

He had a picture shaking his hands with First Lady Rosalind Carter.

Did that mean she approved of a mass killer?

No.

And I think that there was a photograph of a smiling Barack Obama with Louis Farrakhan.

Remember that was suppressed when he ran for president?

The photographer self-censored that.

And And so all of these presidential candidates, these presidents, these ex-presidents are surrounded by, you know, and I have a little taste of it when I give a talk and there's eight or 900 people, I have no idea who's in the photo op.

I have no idea who, when I'm giving a lecture, who's sitting at the table when I'm supposed to sit there and then go give it a lecture.

I try to find out who the group is or what it's about.

And I don't, you know, accept things, not that I'm in high demand.

I don't accept things from groups that I feel are kind of out there.

But once you go into that situation, you can be easily compromised.

And so I'm sure Donald Trump thought, I've got to figure out

what Kanya's doing.

And he's been helpful to me.

He endorsed me.

He's worn the MAGA hat.

He's got a lot of psychological problems.

Is he going to run against me?

Is that going to help me?

Is that going to hurt me?

Let me find out what's going on.

And I think Kanye West thought, you know what

i'm under such

criticism for my anti-semitic remarks that i'm going to get a real anti-semite and bring him along and i'm going to mainstream him with donald so i think that's what happened and it was lax on on trump's part and

it it's sort of like you know

tweeting out that

that Glenn Young's name is Chinese.

He can't afford those errors.

And I know his supporters, all of the people who voted for him, including myself, will say,

well, wait a minute, why does he have to be so vigilant?

He has to be so vigilant because he doesn't have enough people to get him 51% or at least win Electoral College anymore.

He doesn't have that number.

And when he does things like that, he loses that 4% to 8%

that are going to make the difference in the future of the Supreme Court or energy

self-sufficiency or crime or the border.

That's the stakes.

So it's not just Donald Trump.

He's got to have a lot of discipline.

And I don't think there's a lot of advisors around him that screen people.

And I don't know who Nick Fuentes is.

I have no idea.

He's a 20-something,

I don't know if he's Mexican-American, he's Spanish, but

he's apparently Hispanic or Latino of some sort.

And so it's, I don't don't know what the connection is between that, but the official Latino community,

you know, is, I'm not saying it's not anti-Semitic because we heard the Los Angeles council members who were the Hispanic future of California politics were about as biased and prejudiced and hateful as any group you can imagine when they're caught off guard.

But nonetheless, the left does not associate being a quote-unquote marginalized person with anti-Semitic or racist activity.

So maybe Trump, I don't know, I don't think he had any idea who he was.

And when he sat down, the person probably, you know, it was a performance art effort to say that he talked to Trump and he sat down with Trump, and therefore Trump endorses, I don't know, whatever.

But there's going to be a lot of this.

And Kanye West is,

at this point, not rational in what he says and doubles down on.

He had a list the other day of all the Jewish,

you know, all of the Jewish directors or producers or financiers in Hollywood.

He was trying to make the argument, therefore, that his

argument that

Jews run Hollywood, well,

just because there's a majority of a particular group doesn't mean they're on the same page.

And he should know that better.

If you were to say, well, African Americans run rap music and they're all the same, then he would say, no, no, I'm black and I'm a rapper and I'm different.

But that's what he doesn't understand.

And I could say out here that there's a lot of Scandinavians in Kingsburg, California, and they run the town.

Well, they all argue with each other.

They're not a monolithic group.

I could say when I was growing up, all of the Raisin Packers were Armenian.

They ran the Raisin Packing non-sun-made packers.

And yet they were not coordinated.

They were not part of a cabal.

Maybe it's cultural.

Maybe it's tradition.

Your parents did it, whatever it is.

But he doesn't understand that prima facie evidence that any particular group is dominated by a particular ethnic or religious constituency does not necessarily

translate into conspiratorial uniformity.

It doesn't happen.

And everybody knows that.

And

so

he's way off base.

And I don't know what else to say about it.

It doesn't seem to me like it's going to go anywhere.

And if it does go anywhere, you know what people are going to do.

They're going to draw up every picture.

They're going to post on every media venue every picture of every discredited, racist, anti-Semite that is taking a picture or shaking hands with Barack Obama.

or Bill Clinton, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

And I don't really think that the fact that Barack Obama shook hands and was in Farrakhan's orbit, I'm not saying he didn't admire Farrakhan in his community organizing salad days, but he knew at present that that's a dumb thing to do.

Right.

And he probably, that's why he suppressed it.

And he can suppress it in a way that Trump cannot.

Trump can't, everybody should understand Trump can't get on the phone, as is done in Washington, and call up the head of NBC

or call up Ben Rhodes's brother and say, hey, CBS, squash this.

Hey, New York Times.

Hey, New York Times, Michelle has her new memoir out.

Would you write a puff piece for us?

Remember Biden?

I got the story.

Hunter, don't worry.

It's not that bad.

Exactly.

It's a good point.

And that's what they do.

But Trump can't do that.

It's just the opposite.

So he has no mechanisms to squash a stupid thing.

And there's nobody that listens to him in the media.

They hate him.

All the more reason for him to be absolutely disciplined.

And he can't, has no margin of error.

And it's not about Trump or loyalty to Trump.

It's about the agenda.

And if he thinks he's going to be the nominee, then he has an obligation to people who are on the conservative side to not lend himself gratuitously to criticism that's going to hurt the conservative cause.

Well said.

Well said, my friend.

Hey, let's talk about, I don't think it'll be the last time we'll talk about him.

Someday it will be the last time.

But Anthony Fauci.

Yes.

Anthony Fauci.

Where do you want to start?

He was in the news lately.

He had some interrogatories with these Freedom of Information Acts and email.

So all of a sudden...

Yeah, all of a sudden, Anthony Fauci, who said he was the science and he had his fingers in every health care pie,

he doesn't know anything that went on.

He didn't know anything about communications, about gain and function, incriminating information that might come out after the spread of COVID.

He didn't have any

responsibility for the lockdown.

He didn't say any of this.

The problem is he has a record.

And when you're the head, basically, of the president's COVID team, which he was,

and you have been,

you know,

emotionally, radically, hysterically emailing back and forth with Francis Collins and researchers that this is just a bright, shiny object, this idea that it's the Wuhan lab might have been the source of the COVID pandemic,

then you've got a paper trail.

And

he's going to go in front on that because

I think there will be a House committee.

The tragedy of this blown opportunity with the Senate is you're not going to have Rand Paul as the head of an investigative committee grilling Anthony Fauci.

So he had a sigh of relief, but there's going to be a House committee.

And he's going to go before it, and he's going to have to explain those emails that will be released.

And they won't be completely redacted, or they will be in the possession of House members in their unredacted form.

And basically the problem Anthony Fauci has, if we can condense it down to a simple truth, is

he has no independent judgment.

He changes

his consensus or his opinion or his analysis depending on where he thinks power is.

Travel bans are racist.

They're not necessary.

You go on a cruise.

That's no problem.

And then when it is a problem, you were never advocating that it was okay to go on a cruise.

You were never saying that travel bans were not that necessary.

You know, we're not going to mask up.

We've never done that with an epidemic.

In the history of the United States, people just don't wear a mask.

Then you wear one.

Then you wear two.

And on and on.

And, you know, there's no such thing that herd immunity, but maybe there is.

It's 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%.

But these vaccinations are 96%

effective.

And you don't worry about anybody else.

That's not your job.

Your job is to get vaccinated.

That makes you not infectious and not infected.

Somebody else, some Yahoo from Salma, California, doesn't want to, and I have been vaccinated twice.

But if they don't want to get vaccinated, that's their suicidal choice.

But you don't care because you've got Moderna or Pfizer and you've got an invisible armor around.

That's basically what it told us.

Did you see the info that came out this week, Victor?

Now you're more likely to get COVID being vaccinated than not being vaccinated.

And die.

The latest information is by 2020 that of all the people who have died from COVID, there is a greater number who were vaccinated than not vaccinated.

And of course, I'm open to criticism of that blanket assessment in the sense that, well, maybe people who had comorbidities or who were very old were more likely to get vaccinated.

And given the fact that the vaccination was not ironclad, they died in greater numbers.

And therefore, it does not suggest that the spike protein simulation of the vaccination was itself a cause of morbidity.

I don't know whether that's true or not, but I do know this is true.

That's not what they originally announced.

So when you say that more people have died in the United States from COVID

with at least two vaccinations than not, then you're admitting that the whole premise in

late 2020 and 21, the official CDC, NIH, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases mantra, that you were protected from infectiousness and you had a much, much greater propensity not to be

not to be

fatally infected, that

you would survive.

That's not necessarily true.

And we know that now.

And

speaking of somebody, I'm still fighting.

I'm in seven months of this crazy long COVID, and I had the two vaccinations, and I've had COVID ones before with no problems.

So

I don't think, never did Anthony Fauci say this, Jack.

He never said this.

I am point man

designate

to craft COVID policy.

But this is a mysterious disease.

It's for now

unfathomable.

We don't know quite what it does.

We don't know quite where it was originated.

There's competing theories.

It may have been in the lab.

It may have been outside.

The evidence is being accumulated and analyzed.

We can't make a definite determination at this point.

There's a lot of controversies.

The great Barrington doctors, they're some of the most prestigious names.

They have a contrary view to mine, but we're going to work this out.

There was never any of that.

It was my way or the highway.

And because he was not a gifted immunologist or biologist like some of his critics were, that all of a sudden, Each time he made these blanket non-negotiable statements, they were subject to amendment and correction.

And each time he corrected them or amended them, as Rand Paul pointed out, he never admitted that.

It was always, this is the final truth.

And if I said something yesterday, I don't want to talk about it.

But today, this is the final.

And he lost all credibility.

And it made,

and so then.

He started going on.

He was on Fox, MSNBC, CNN, Network News.

And when Fox started to criticize him, he just abandoned it.

He should have gone back on Fox and defended his views, but he didn't.

And then he became a heartthrob of the left, and he politicized the

entire COVID policy.

And he ended up basically with a wink and a nod, agreeing, as the Atlantic article suggested.

Well, let's not go back and re-litigate whether the long COVID lockdown was necessary or not.

Now he's basically saying

that wasn't his idea that, you know,

that you lock down the economy, that you shut down the schools, that you social distance, that everybody wears a mask.

He's saying that, Jack, because if you look at the death rate per million,

and you look at just take an example, three states, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, and compare them with three open states,

Tennessee,

Florida, Texas.

The death rate's not that much different.

They're about the same.

There's different, there's different, you know, some are less than the other of those six, but nevertheless, they're in the same ballpark.

But there is a difference when you look at the school system, the economy, and the collateral damage.

It's far less in Texas, Tennessee, and Florida.

By collateral damage, I'm talking about suicides, drug abuse, spousal abuse, missed cancer screenings, economic damage, children that'll never get over losing two years of their school in these blue states.

So he knows that.

Right.

These were all the things that

got

Scott Atlas in trouble because as we've talked about this on other podcasts, he was deeply concerned about the broader consequences of these

policies.

Victor, did you see him on Fox the other day?

I think he was on Laura's show.

I followed him right afterwards.

I had a note from somebody that said, this is ironic.

There was Scott Atlas and then Jay Bacharia.

And Scott was talking about

COVID and the policies and the science.

And he indirectly mentioned Stanford University.

Then Jay Bacharia really blasted Stanford for its McCarthyite treatment of him.

And then I mentioned that it was the embryo of people like Elizabeth Holmes and

Sam Bankman-Freed,

his parents, and a lot of other stuff.

The whole Elizabeth Holmes, the Ronals, she came out of that embryo.

And I got a letter from somebody who said, well, I'm so happy that Stanford's such a wonderful university because you three guys are out there are just so typical of Stanford independent voices.

Oh, my gosh.

Wishful thinking.

He said something,

of course, he was, I thought he was polite and not snarky about Fauci, which is what he was commenting for.

But he said,

that we call it vaccine, right?

It's vaccinated, did you get your vaccination, et cetera?

But he nailed it.

He says, it's an experimental drug.

Experimental, that's what it is.

And he also

was talking about, you know,

we force someone

who's low risk to take an experimental drug.

You don't, when has that ever happened in America?

And this has

ramifications far greater than what we're doing right now, what we're handling right now.

And it has a different principle with a spike.

It's more, people have, I think,

rightly call it gene therapy.

It's different.

And we don't really know the ramifications because Operation Warp Speed was kind of a Manhattan project.

And it did save lives because the original strain and the original strain only was pretty much unable to infect.

or kill people that had the Moderna and Pfizer vaccinations or the Johnson ⁇ Johnson to a lesser extent.

But that didn't last very long.

That lasted from about December 2021 to late spring 2022.

And then Joe Biden got caught up in it.

Then he had this Orwellian narrative that really Donald Trump didn't originate the vaccinations, that when he came into office, there wasn't 17, 18 million people vaccinated.

There was nobody.

And he developed it, and he developed it so well that by June or July 4th, I should be specific, the epidemic was going to be over.

And so what Joe did in his arrogance in Ubis, he thought, there's only going to be the original variant and Donald Trump's vaccinations work and everybody hates Donald Trump.

So I'm just going to piggyback on and claim that I did it all and that I started vaccinating everybody.

And Donald Trump, as I said during the campaign, killed 400,000 people.

And he never in his right mind understood that this was

a misunderstood virus, that nobody, no one

who said anything about this virus knew what they were talking about, because you couldn't know what it was going to do, probably because it was engineered in a way we've never seen before.

And the point was that he ended up, what, 600, 700,000 people died.

I'm not blaming him, but according to his logic, you should blame him because he blamed Donald Trump.

And he never thought that would be possible.

And then he went out and said, you know, the first booster, okay, the first booster.

No,

there was something called Delta.

Okay, the second booster.

No, there's the Omega.

The third booster.

And that's where he is.

But

no one knew anything about this.

And everybody said they did know and were blaming people.

And the whole project was weaponized because they saw it as a way to destroy the Donald Trump administration.

and to tag him with a Dr.

Death and anybody who worked for him.

So and you know, it's funny when you mention Dr.

Fauci and Scott Atlas, when you read a plague, and I interviewed Scott, as you know, on one of our podcasts just recently, that plague upon our house sort of memoir of being in the White House.

It wasn't just Dr.

Fauci, it was Dr.

Burks,

who was not just sinister, but incompetent and more so than

Fauci was, according to Scott Atlas.

And I will add one other little Philip.

If anybody had been on the Stanford campus during 2021,

in early January, February, or November, December of 2020, and you had read

petitions, faculty Senate resolutions, or the general attitude towards Scott Atlas and Jay Bacharia and John Yannides, you wouldn't have believed it, Jack.

Anybody who came in contact, anybody who supported them

ostracized and condemned and attacked.

They were basically called murderers that they had this open policy, the Swedish policy, the Great Barrington policy, was equivalent to death.

These were the most important.

Excuse me, Victoria, but by friends, too.

It's not like this is just

a matter of time.

I can tell you, as a member of the Hoover Institution, no one wanted to associate with Scott Atlas.

And when you tried to tell people that he was onto something,

that this scatter shot approach, this shotgun approach of putting all your resources

in testing and isolation and masking and quarantine, and when you had 25% of the population, at least during the early variants, and still to a great degree, were not going to die, kids under 1 to 18.

And

it didn't make any sense to put so much resources that way when you were letting people go into rest homes that were infected, 15,000 under Andrew Cuomo.

So that's what he was trying to say, and nobody was listening to it.

But

it contrasts really well with, as I was saying earlier.

In the left-wing mind at that university, you can be Elizabeth Holmes and you can defraud people out of $8 billion and collapse Toranos and make a stupid one-drop, two-drop testing kit that is completely fraudulent and pass it off in experimental trials where some people

used it and got false positives and false negatives and were ill because of that, if not worse, and nobody's going to say a word about that association with Stanford.

And if you say, well, Victor, she just went back and forth on the campus and she used all her ties with Stanford and the name.

It wasn't Stanford.

Okay.

Well, then let's go.

If your policy at Stanford is to condemn a professor or a senior tenured fellow for what, for expressing something, and to try to demonize him and censor him and try to take away his medical license, how about Mr.

and Mrs.

Bankman Freed?

Mommy and Devon.

Active political who was trying to funnel dark money into the 2022 election, and both of them were intricate tied in with the activities of their fraudulent son to the degree that right now

they are announcing to everybody that they're willing to give back the money that somehow was channeled to them so that their luxury condo in the Bahamas will be given back to somebody, back to FTX or whatever.

Wow.

How do you get that amount of money without paying 50%?

You tell me, you tell me, where is the DOJ?

Where is the DOJ at looking at all the money he's spread around?

Another thing that's really fraudulent about this, have you noticed that

the DNC-related people, these candidates, oh my God, I didn't know this.

I didn't know anything about this cryptocurrency fraud.

So I'm going to take this money that he gave me, at least some of it, and I'm going to give it to charity.

No, you shouldn't.

You don't take stolen money.

from investors that was channeled to you fraudulently, and then you say, okay, I'm going to redeem myself by giving to a tax-exempt charity.

No, if you had any ethics, you would say this.

This money came to me, and I'm going to give it back to the bankruptcy caretakers that are trying to recover money for people who gave it to him.

One million of them.

And they're not all wealthy people.

One million investors lost billions of dollars.

And these two law professors, law professors, knew about it, profited from it.

And there will be be not one word from the legal community as there was against Scott Atlas.

Nobody will say, I have a petition that these people should be disparaged.

Notice, I'm not saying they should or shouldn't,

but there will be no effort in the way that they tried to go after Scott Atlas, none at all.

And

this is really important for all of us to realize because

the old Democratic Party of the 60s, 70s, 80s, and up until the 90s played within the parameters.

And it was sort of, you know, everybody understood there were certain rules and regulations.

This is not the old.

They keep saying, this isn't the old Republican Party.

It's the MAGA.

Well, you know, the MAGA plays within the rules.

Donald Trump did not weaponize the IRS.

He did not weaponize the FBI.

He did not weaponize the CIA.

He did not weaponize the Pentagon.

These people are different.

They see their cause as so morally superior that any means necessary are granted to achieve them.

And that's what utilitarianism that Mr.

Bankman-Fried embraced, and what his mother and father apparently embraced as well.

That's what that creed says: that

if you have a particular strategy or methodology, and it's going to result in the greater good as I see the greater good, then you know we don't want to go back to old fossilized, ossified moral virtue or courage or gratitude, etc.

These are archaic ideas because they don't result in the greatest good for the greatest number of people as we define that.

Right.

And therefore, it's impossible for them to think of themselves as hypocrites because whatever they do is right because they do it.

Oh, no, because they're morally superior to us and

they have a one, two-step approach to that.

Number one,

they feel that because they're morally superior to the rest of us, they can say or do anything because it's for the cause.

And number two,

in the John Kerry, Al Gore, Barack Obama mode,

their work is so important and they're so morally perfect that they don't have to be subject to the consequences of their own ideology.

So every once in a while, Michelle can come out of the Hawaii, New Hawaii Mansion, or the Martha's Vineyard Mansion, or the Colorama, D.C.

mansion, or maybe even go back one day a year

to the big, nice home in Chicago and lecture everybody how illiberal and elitist and unfair they are to people.

And every once in a while, John Kerry can stop outside of his Gulf Stream and say, look, I've got to use this thing.

If I can't get to a climate change meeting quicker, then the whole world's going to heat up.

Or Al Gore can't say, I've got a big boat and I've got a, I don't know, a 400 breaker panel at my big digs and I use a lot of natural gas, but I have to.

And that's how they think.

And so this is the whole principle behind this crazy bankman freed that because I'm going to save the planet, then I'm allowed to have certain latitudes.

I can go down to a tax-avoiding Bahamas and get a $40 million

pad and be a complete civarite and then lecture people about their immorality in such a degree.

I can even tweet or say or be quoted as saying, you know, that we Western wokers, it's kind of a sham

because

we can do a lot of stuff under the pretenses, the veneer of being woke.

He's absolutely right about that.

Right.

And his aspirations were to be a

Gates-level,

Gates

World Economic Forum-level level in dirty clothes,

master of the universe.

Absolutely.

He got it down.

He got it down perfect.

He looked around at how the left operates and he said, you know what?

Young Mark Zuckerberg's got the flip-flops, the tie-dye, the jeans, and Elizabeth Holm had the Steve Jobs, black get-up, the black pants, the black turtleneck, et cetera.

I'm going to go full slob route and just kind of insult traditional values of decorum.

I'm going to be completely messy.

My personal life's going to be messy.

I'm going to go kind of like the Harvey Weinstein, you know, that route.

Just be a slob and be outrageous.

But I'm going to veneer it with, as I have to, for business considerations, that I'm very hard left and I'm going to spread around 60, 70 million bucks.

And I gave Joe Biden 10 million bucks.

And I want something for my money.

So these regulators are going to call me in as a dispassionate, quote-unquote, referee of new possible legislation concerning cryptocurrency, but I'm going to give them a version that is self-serving and favors my own enterprise.

And that's what he was doing.

And he masked the entire

this entire illegality.

I did it for the people.

And I'm going to be the next, as you say, the next Bill Gates, the next Mark Zuckerberg,

the next

Apple, the next Google, but I'm going to be bigger.

And you have to ask yourself at some point, what did he ever do to make that money?

I mean, you can argue that Bill Gates gave us Microsoft that makes life easier if you're writing or, you know, you're doing worksheets.

He gave us a product of value.

You can even say Google did.

You can say insurance companies did.

Stock investment.

What did he do?

What did he do?

He just made what?

I don't know what he did.

I mean, I admire investors that have logarithms and investments because they give you a product.

I guess everybody wants to have an investment.

And if you have hard-earned capital and the banks are not giving you even

3%, 2% interest, and you're losing value in your hard-earned money, so you invest it.

And these investors have you know, fiduciary trust that they have to honor.

But what did he do?

He didn't make a product.

He didn't grow any food.

He didn't mine any mineral.

He didn't build any house.

He didn't come up with an insurance policy to protect

middle-class people from car accidents or something.

He didn't do anything.

All he did was make a Ponzi scheme that this money comes in this door.

I siphon a lot of it out.

And then a new guy joins up because I pay off all these celebrities to Super Bowl halftime commercials.

They get into it.

I juice the Democratic Party's candidates.

I get protected from regulation.

And then I take the money out, 10 billion, 8 billion, and it's constantly streamed.

And then

all you have to do is hope there's not a 2008 meltdown that killed off Bernie Madoff, or you have to hope

that you can continue to give so much money to the Democratic Party's candidates that they will shield you.

But finally, it got to be so ridiculous that a competitor decided: you know what?

We're going to blow the whistle on this guy.

Well,

he makes Bernie Madoff look like a piker.

He does because

and

remember, and still the lingering outrage about Madoff and is this just like nothing comparable to this

character, given the proportion of the scheme he's working with.

Well, I mean,

there were various reports that he had a $30 to $40 billion empire, but that was inflated

in inflated valuations of his currency.

The actual money that was probably there was, I don't know, $8 to $10 to $12 billion that he was using.

So you give me $100 million.

I don't put that $100 million investment.

I take it and channel some of it to Alameda or I use it for something else, but nobody's going to find out about it because my emails disappear, I don't know, after a certain number of hours.

I don't keep books.

And as long as people start giving me money and continue to give me money, and as long as I get out in the public square with all these neat, cool, hip celebrities who are buying my cryptocurrency, I'm okay.

And as long as people don't ask me, hey, by the way, Sam, I bought this commodity of yours at $300 and now it's worth $600 and you have a a $40 billion.

I want my $600 back.

And if there's too many of them and too little people buying into it all, then as we know from the Ponzi,

the Ponzi schema, it doesn't work, especially if you're tapping at all.

But there should be, shouldn't there be somewhere billions of dollars?

Because even this 30-year-old slob

Give all, you know, he buys $16 or $18 million of luxury condos.

His parents get in for a million or two condo.

He probably funneled, his CEO or one of his employees funneled some money to his mom's pack.

He had a $40 million.

He lavished $100 million,

probably $150 between 2020, maybe even 2018, 2020.

But that's still,

I don't know, half a billion, a billion.

There's got to be billions of dollars that is not in fake

valuation that wasn't just

a construct of, well, this crypto went up to $40 billion.

No, but it's got to be somewhere.

And I think that's what they're going to try to find out where it is so they can give back to the investors.

Well, good luck with that.

Good luck.

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I just want to know, what did you have for Thanksgiving dinner?

and we apologize by the way to some of our listeners when we we talked uh the the show that was aired on thanksgiving was a little little choppy we've got the audio fixed so uh that's and you you talked it was wonderful hearing you talk about what thanksgiving was like growing up in uh selma but just curious what did you have for dinner on thursday victor i went to

my in-laws and we had a wonderful assortment of meats, which I liked, even though our hosts were vegetarian.

But there was a wonderful turkey and ham, the whole tradition.

No tofu turkey.

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And then the day after Thanksgiving, my wife cooked a big turkey for the two of us.

Good.

My wife's doing right now.

I like that.

We had a turkey dinner, and now I think we're going to have turkey soup for a week.

Okay.

So

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