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I'm Jack Fowler, the host we are recording today is Monday, May 16th.

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Whenever you hear it, though, you're going to hear wisdom from Victor Davis Hansen, who is the Martin and Ely Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and the Wayne and Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College.

We're going to be talking about some of the pieces Victor has written in the last few days for American Greatness, which reminds me you can find them on the American Greatness website.

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The first thing we're going to be talking about are the pieces that Victor has written.

And then after that, the Durham, what's his name, Michael Sussman trial starts today, jury selection here on Monday.

We've got loyalty oaths, the shootings in Buffalo.

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It is, again, Monday the 16th.

I'm in Milford, Connecticut, my little office.

I know Victor's in Washington, D.C.

Victor, before we talk about some of these American greatness pieces, I know you're down in D.C.

for some various things, mostly the Bradley Prizes.

Could you briefly maybe say what the bradley prizes are for yes i can the bradley foundation is one of the largest conservative non-profit philanthropic foundations and

oh almost i think it's about 15 16 years ago they developed this idea that they wanted to reward conservative so-called thinkers activists politicians generals anybody who had been a traditionalist.

I think that's the word that's more apt than conservative.

And the prizes are very lucrative.

They're $250,000.

Of course, they're not tax-free, but we've gone down now to three of them.

And we have Kim Strassel as the master of ceremonies.

And then Tuesday night, we're going to have this big gala event to award the three.

We have meetings tonight and tomorrow.

So it's a wonderful organization.

And it's based in Milwaukee.

Right.

It meets four times a year.

The fourth meeting is in Washington every May.

And because I lead a tour, I was not able to go every year as I should, but this year I am.

And the reason I sound a little slow, Jack, is I've got Joe Biden.

I have post-COVID or long COVID or whatever it is, but

I sound like Joe Biden.

And so please, if anybody else has an anti-long COVID pill suggestion, just send it to Sammy and say, this will just Victor closes his eyes and taps his shoes and he's no longer Joe Biden if he takes this magic pill.

Well, I will say this and we'll get into the subject matter right after this.

Victor, I saw you.

We were with each other the other night.

You were in Delaware.

I don't remember that, Jack.

Well, I do.

I do.

And it's on tape somewhere.

And you gave a terrific talk at the Intercollegiate Studies Institute dinner where Victor was honored for having the book of the year, The Dying Citizen.

So, Victor, even in your brain foggitude, your wisdom is remarkable.

I should tell the audience, I didn't, I was scheduled for almost half a year to come and I was in bed with COVID, and then I was out for a few days, but I didn't have a fever, and I took an antigen and PCR test to confirm that I was not infectious.

So, I didn't.

I flew in Thursday, but I didn't have a fever.

I had no symptoms for five, six days.

I had been vaxxed, and I tested negative.

And I took three of them to make sure of that.

My only problem is that it doesn't really matter because you're so wiped out.

It doesn't, you don't know what the problem is, whether it's the infection or the immune system.

I'm looking for a magic pill, Jack.

That's your task for me.

It says,

take this and

I'll find some angels.

It'll be in

Nigeria or Peru or something, some strange herb.

Yeah, that's, you know, with some veterinary medicine.

Yeah.

Um, well, you know, instead of the articles, which we'll get to, let's talk about John Durham and his prosecution.

So, our mutual friend Andy McCarthy wrote a piece for the New York Post over the weekend, and I'll just read the beginning of it.

The Victor, you please comment.

First of all, the title is One Lie That Hides an Enormous Conspiracy Inside the Trial That Exposes Clinton's Plot to Slander Trump.

And this is how Andy begins this up.

Special Counsel John Durham appears to have methodically built a case of historic consequence.

It's just not the case he has brought against big shot Democrat Party lawyer Michael Sussman.

Jury selection begins in Sussman's trial on Monday.

That's today in Washington, D.C.

will be the first trial to arise out of the Russiagate probe, which began over three years ago, et cetera, et cetera.

It'll conclude here.

According to court filings, In the Sussman case, Durham has fingered the Hillary Clinton campaign as the culprit.

The problem is that Durham has not charged that fraudulent scheme.

Yet, he wants to offer evidence of the sweeping scheme in order to prove a comparatively minor and narrow offense, namely that Sussman lied to the FBI.

At a single meeting on September 19th, 2016, Durham theorizes that the Clinton campaign concocted a political smear, that Trump was a Putin puppet, then peddled the tale to a compliant media and to the FBI.

This would enable Clinton to tout the quote-unquote evidence of Trump-Russia ties as so serious that the feds were investigating.

So, Victor, the shebang begins today, sort of dependent, I guess, on the federal judge in the case, allowing John Durham some latitude and the things he offers as evidence.

Victor, what are your thoughts on this and in anything in general related to the Durham investigation?

There's a lot of angles to this that are really potentially explosive.

And I don't know because I think the judge Cooper in question, and it's a DC jury,

may not find anything because they're politicized, maybe.

But it's fascinating how this sussman just has a direct line to James Baker.

Remember, he was also the one that had talked to people in the media before the election about the steel dossier.

And he tries to peddle this narrative that this Russian bank is communicating with Donald Trump, and therefore it's proof of Donald Trump's collusion and this will blow the election wide open or the transition later or the presidency continue.

And of course, what he didn't tell the FBI, and he denied it.

He said that I'm just doing this as a citizen.

I don't represent anybody.

I think that Baker knew that was a lie, but still he met with him.

But it shows you the incestuousness of Washington that anybody can get contact like that.

And then even worse, he billed the Clinton campaign for this effort that he was doing to manufacture this data that he had hired this Joffe and who had hired other techies who found a third party that was monitoring automatic advertisements.

fluff back and forth between Alphabank and thousands of customers, among them Donald Trump.

But they were one-way communications.

They were this kind of spam, if you will.

And

the funny thing was that Durham is showing now that he was lying to the FBI.

In other words, this Sussman was calling his friend up at the FBI and saying, you've got to investigate that.

He called him up so he could say to everybody, and Jake Sullivan, the present National Security Advisor and others were going to say and did say, you better look out.

Donald Trump is communicating with the Russians, his bank, and the FBI and federal investigators are investigating.

And that was the whole purpose of that, to get the FBI to investigate.

So then they could, in circular fashion, say, oh, did you just, I just discovered this without telling the public that they sicked the FBI.

But it would all exploded because, of course, he was a greedy SOB

and he billed Hillary Clinton.

And Durham is going to show that when he was under oath saying that he was not representing anybody that he was actually being paid by hillary clinton via the perkins coey law firm there are a lot of other things in there and that was that hillary clinton hired the dnc with mark elias as the point man who went to perkins coey who went to fusion gps who went to christopher steele and from what we can tell it's christopher steele we all knew it was fake but we didn't know how fake fake it was.

I mean, he just went to this Dashinko guy and said, you got a bunch of gossip?

There's yeah, I talked to a couple people.

They laughed.

And then they're claiming now that no one in their right mind would ever have believed them.

And then Steele concocts this thing with GPS and makes it look like a scare document and then plants it with the CIA and the FBI.

It even ends up, you know, mentioning, you know, John Brennan is on it, and Comey is on it, and Barack Obama hears about it.

It's all leaked to the left-wing media.

And there's never been any culpability.

So this is a very minor charge is what andy mccarthy is saying it's that he lied to a federal investigator we know what happens when kevin kleinsmith remember that dossier was used to get a warrant on carter page a fisa warrant but what's funny is that he's trying to show that this leads back to hillary clinton that she used her campaign money to hire a law firm, to hire an investigative firm, to hire Christopher Steele to print lies, and and then had people in her campaign contact left-wing people within the Obama administration to disseminate this and to destroy Donald Trump.

And it almost worked.

It worked in the sense that Trump lost the popular vote anyway, because that's all we heard from September, October.

and early November was that Donald Trump was guilty of Russian collusion.

That was all MSNBC.

That was all NBC.

That was all Bill Crystal tweeted.

That was all Max Boot tweeted.

That was all Jennifer Rubin tweeted, that was what the Lincoln Project,

and it was all false.

And what's even worse is that these people all wanted jobs.

So they were like little puppy dogs with bones in their mouth coming to Hillary and saying, look, look, I'm a techie.

Can I be a techie big guy in your administration?

Ooh, look, look.

I hired the techie.

Can I be, ooh, look, I planted this to the FBI.

Can I?

And so that's how it works.

So it's pretty disgusting.

And I don't know whether there's there's going to be any, you've got an Obama appointed judge and you've got a Washington, D.C.

jury.

So it's going to be very hard to find a conviction.

Yeah, Andy ends.

It's an interesting thought here.

In any kind of trial or prosecution, criminal case, the courthouse and the, it's the domain of the prosecutor, right?

That's where they work.

It's their home field.

And Andy's piece ends, the biggest challenge.

It says here, Durham will have enough evidence to prove the narrow crime he's charged.

The biggest challenge may be the jury in Trump-hostel Washington.

Durham may be the government's lawyer, but this will not be a home game for him.

So I think that's...

He's very professional because he didn't leak any of this before the

2020 election when he was working on it.

He didn't leak,

he hasn't leaked any of it.

And so a lot of people on the right were very angry at him.

You know, what's what's, I think Trump even said, what is Durham doing?

And they thought he would have a bombshell, but he didn't do that.

He could have leaked any of this and he didn't.

That's very, that's in contrast to Robert Mueller that Andrew Weissman and those people leaked every single day to CNN and MSNBC.

Contrast to the Supreme Court.

It's a good cross-section or example of how that Washington network works, that these people go to good schools, they get law degrees, they intermarry people of the same class.

They're all incestuous within a small geographical area.

They're mostly left-wing.

And then they go in and out of government.

And then left-wing people and law firms and tech companies and law firms and finance hire them and then they never really shed their ideological activism and they don't feel there's anything wrong with using the government of the people to corrupt it and warp it and use things and then all of us that are listening right now know that if something happens in your life and you want to call the FBI, you're going to be put on hold.

Or if the IRS contacts you about, I don't know, a questionable questionable deduction, you say something when they say this phone call is being recorded, you say that will be used against you.

And so these people are entirely exempt because they are part of the government blob.

And so it was pretty depressing.

The whole thing is very depressing.

It reminds me of Versailles and the people that were permanent apparatcheks.

in the old regime and also after the revolution or El Escoral in Madrid or.

well, let's talk about revolutions then, Victor, since you raise it.

I know, actually, a few weeks ago, you did a great piece for American Greatness on the Spanish Civil War, but you've written your last two pieces for American Greatness are about revolutions and revolutionaries.

So, let me just set this up.

The most recent piece, which is out yesterday, is titled The Cycles of Revolutions in Our Midst.

And it ends with this little passage.

The world is fragmenting and changing in all different directions.

Unfortunately, contemporary America is offering no guidance to the extent it seeks to lead and inspire its current elite, wish to take other nations and cultures down a nihilist pathway of self-loathing that few wish to follow.

So, this essay follows a shorter piece you write every week for American Greatness.

This is also your syndicated column.

And this one's titled Imagine the Unimaginable, and it begins with this.

Americans are now entering uncharted, revolutionary territory.

They may witness things over the next five months that once would have seemed unimaginable.

And it ends with this, when revolutionaries undermine the system, earn the antipathy of the people, and face looming disaster at the polls, it is then they prove most dangerous, as we shall see over the next few months.

So, Victor, before you tie these together and tell us about revolution and revolutionaries, I do want to recommend our listeners.

You can find these pieces at your website victorhanson.com they're also at american greatness so i suggest either place but do read them please so victor talk about these two pieces well abroad we have a new revolution we didn't talk about the use of nuclear weapons at least in the first strike capacity putin's all the time in fact it's a parter game if you look at these youtube clips of russian media television especially where commentators have little trajectory lines oh we could get rid of britain in eight minutes or we can get rid of Berlin in seven minutes.

Oh, we can hit New York in 20 minutes.

And this is all coming out of the

Ukraine.

I think people forget this is the first European war in history where a nuclear power is directly involved.

Russia is a nuclear power.

It is fighting a massive ground war in Ukraine, which is part of Europe, essentially, at least most of it is.

And we've never had that before.

And I'm very pro-Ukrainian.

I'm glad that they're winning.

But when i read things like colonel binman over him the catalyst for the impeachment the ukrainian expatriate american ukrainian activist he wrote an op-ed not long ago where he said that

we're not letting them lose but we're not letting them win there may be some truth to that but then he said they're going to we need to help them have the capacity to launch attacks inside Russia, inside Russia.

And I thought to myself, okay,

so so you're an American citizen and you're advocating that U.S.

personnel or intelligence or advisors are going to enter a foreign country with a nuclear weapon and start attacking it.

That's insane.

That is absolutely.

And if you had the interest of the United States at heart, you would not advocate that.

So we're getting a lot of crazy things.

Another revolution that we're seeing is more down-to-earth.

When you look at these videos of these switchblade suicide drones, or you look at these Turkish drones, or the Javelins, or these German Panzerfaus 3s, you're getting the impression, and they're all, you know, computer and internet guided.

And you just lock onto a target with a GPS, and then the GPS takes over, even if you haven't pulled the trigger.

And you're usually away from your platform in some cases of the drones, but you can shoot, and either the weapon will go slow for a second for you to run away so they can't trace the trajectory back to kill you but these teams of one two three people they're taking out 30 or 40 million dollars of tanks artillery armored weapons armored carriers at once you can see them six seven they're taking out two three million dollar russian helicopters they are essentially wiping out some of the best weapons in the Russian military arsenal, maybe a third of them, and they're killing Russians.

They're probably up to to 20, 25,000.

And it's eerie because if you're a Russian 19-year-old and you've been told you have one of the best tanks in the world and you're just running, you know, you're gassing it in full speed down a little dirt road in Ukraine, out of nowhere, something's going to come, fly, come down, go right down your hatch and kill you.

And when you see that enough, you're not going to want to be in that tank.

And that's sort of what's going on.

What I'm getting at is very asymmetrical that very easy to operate weapons that are relatively inexpensive are negating traditional weapons that have been the force multipliers of battle since World War II that is heavy tanks ground support whether airport helicopters or jets and artillery and i don't know if this is just we don't know yet how this will manifest itself in an offensive capability whether they're going to need tanks themselves or artillery to get the russians completely out of Ukraine.

But for now, there's been a military revolution and the Russians don't have anything to counter.

Also, we're starting to learn that the Russians, their equipment is not as good as Western counterparts.

The conscripts have no desire to be there.

The strategic thinking,

whoever cooked this idea up of a shock and all, take Ukraine in a week, knew nothing about the Ukrainians, knew nothing about the world situation.

So the Russian military and the oligarch cadre and Putin's advisors and Putin, maybe because he's sick, they're pretty incompetent.

It doesn't mean they're not going to do a lot of damage.

It brings up another revolution very quickly, Jack, that big powers who have expeditionary traditional forces, this doesn't work.

So this comes on the heels of the Afghanistan debacle where we had billions of dollars of tanks.

and planes and helicopters and the Taliban who were supplied by the Iranians, the Pakistanis, the Russians, the North Koreans, the Chinese, with not quite as good weapons as Ukraine, but they were able to hold out and basically defeat us.

And so I think this is a lesson that westernized armies, and I think Russia is somewhat westernized, they're not going to be able, because of the wide-scale availability of sophisticated defensive weapons.

I don't think they're going to be able to operate like they think they can.

I don't think you're going to see a lot of Western powers going in to other countries to kill terrorists or stop bad regimes.

But in the cost-benefit analysis, the publics are not going to allow it because they're going to take

a lot of dangers.

And

I think that's another revolution.

Finally, I think, and I pointed this out about Ukraine.

Germany is in a very strange situation.

It has collapsed its fracking, coal, oil, and then put itself dependent on those very fossil fuel deliveries from Russia, went solar and wind, and it's non-competitive now with Europe or anywhere in the world.

Its energy is so expensive.

And it tried to jawbone others to do that.

But essentially, Germany says, we don't like nuclear power, but France better sell us them.

And we hate natural gas and oil and coal, but we want Russia to give us some.

And they wanted other countries to follow that paradigm.

And then when Russia invaded, they gave a lot of soapbox lectures, but they're not in a

economic situation or fiscal situation where they could right now sanction Russia completely and cut off the oil.

And this brings up the question, it was also the country that was the least likely to approve of Americans according to PewPols, very unpopular we are in Germany.

And it was the stalwart.

country under Merkel that just would not pay the 2%

guidelines for military investments as a portion of the annual budget.

And when they didn't do that, everybody else said, oh, oh, Germany will get mad if we do it.

So nobody did it except three or four countries.

And that was what set Trump off.

So what I'm getting at is, I think Germany is at a crossroads.

And a lot of people are going to ask themselves, is this an aberrant national trait?

Or is this something like 1871, 1914, 1939?

They're all different manifestations, but the one thing they have in common is there's sort of a german ethos that says you know what we're the biggest country in europe we're the most successful we're the richest and we can do crazy thing i'm not suggesting that's like the kaiser or hitler but it's pretty crazy to destroy your energy for some pipe ideological dream of you know solar and wind power and then force other countries to suffer the consequences of importing massive amounts of energy from Russia and then trying to undermine NATO by not arming as it had promised and jawboning other countries to do the same.

It just brings up this question, I think people are going to ask: what is it about Germany that makes it so difficult to deal with and so nationalistic and so crazy?

In other words, they get these ideological bugs up their rear end or whatever it is, and you cannot talk to them.

And by the way, Victor, I'm flooding Europe with illegal immigrants also.

Yes, we can.

Remember that German phrase from Merkel?

We can do this.

Well, very disturbing.

Anyway, again, Victor, those pieces are at American Greatness and on your website, victorhanson.com.

By the way, to our listeners on Victor's site right now, for example, there's a two-part series, Putin, Wounded but Deadlier.

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So there's a lot of original content that is only there.

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Victor, we'll move on now to talk about these terrible mass shootings that happened this past weekend in Buffalo.

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So Victor, an 18-year-old, bad, bad young man, went into a supermarket in Buffalo and shot to death, I believe, 10 people, injured many more by all initial reports.

This was a black market in a black neighborhood.

He was targeting blacks.

Of course, much of the immediate reaction has been politicized.

I saw Morning Joe show is blaming a powerful cable network for this, obviously, talking about about Fox.

Here's another headline I just saw today on the Daily Mail.

Again, we're recording on Monday the 16th.

Liz Cheney attacks Republican leadership and says her colleagues have enabled white nationalism, white supremacy, and anti-Semitism in wake of Buffalo mass shooting.

Of course, Victor, we live in a world that is incredibly racialized by America's liberal elite.

I don't know what motivated or didn't motivate.

Of course, the devil motivated this young man,

but to think this is some conservative fingerprints of conservatism on this, I find kind of appalling.

But everything's up for political gain in America today.

Anyway, Victor, what are your thoughts?

I'm not against the idea that people who spout extremist ideas, and there are white supremacists on the internet that do so, and this guy obviously was,

I think they do influence people.

And I think, you know, this manifesto was on there for what, two days before the shooting.

So people could have read it and said, my God, this guy is crazy.

But what I don't understand is the asymmetry.

So we're going tribal in this society now.

Each particular group is saying,

I'm not, my first allegiance is to my superficial appearance.

My ethnic or racial or gender or gender outlook, whatever we want to call it, is essential to who I'm I am, not incidental.

I'm not a human.

I'm a particular type of appearing human.

Okay.

And everybody's doing it.

And now we're getting a lot of disaffected young men, white, probably from the lower classes, who are angry.

And they're starting to do it too.

And they are going to be very violent and we've got to stop it.

But it doesn't work.

when one of these white people shoots people to take the case and immediately politicize it in a way that we don't with all the other because they're all similar.

So when Mr.

Brooks goes to Waukesha and he posts on his social media that he hates white people and he advocates violence against them and he brags that he's a BLM member and then he goes there and he runs over 60 innocent white people and he kills five or six of them.

And a Black Lives Matter person comes from Milwaukee with others and gets on television or TikTok or whatever he did and has a video that this is the beginning of a revolution.

And CNN and the New York Times report that as a car drove over people, an SUV killed people.

It's unclear what's going on.

Or the Daily Beast comparing these two incidents suggests that one is racialized, which it was.

Mr.

Jindrone, who killed these people, was a racist and he killed people.

But Mr.

Brooks wasn't.

He was just spontaneous.

And that's not viable.

And so, what I'm trying to say is, you can't look at this problem of tribalism and the violence that tribalism historically incurs and then say it's this particular tribe because of historical, and not that tribe.

No, it's all tribes.

And no one is more culpable, Jack, than Joe Biden.

Now, remember when Walkershaw happened?

What did he do?

He just said he was too busy or it would take too many.

I think he said it would take too many assets to go down there.

So he didn't go visit anybody.

It was nothing.

You know, and then now he's going all over the Buffalo.

I think he should have gone to Buffalo.

But my point is, why didn't he go to Waukesha?

Because the narrative said that this is a expression of spontaneous angst against white people that has historical grievances.

And the other narrative said this is a white racist who shows you why racism is everywhere.

And that doesn't collate to the evidence.

It's sort of, we're back to January 6th, where everybody deplored that buffoonish riot.

I get really angry when I think people broke into our Capitol and deface things and vandalize it.

I want them to go to jail, but they couldn't leave it there.

The narrative was Officer Sicknick must lay in state because he was killed by a deranged or a Trump supporter.

He wasn't.

He died of natural causes.

Or Ashley Babbitt was a very dangerous QAn person.

No, she was 105 pounds,

unarmed, 14-year-old military variant, went through a previously broken window and convinced a serious misdemeanor, and she was lethally shot.

And then we hid the identity of the officer because he was African-American, because we didn't want to say that this is a counterpart to the George Floyd,

where a white officer killed a

suspect, supposedly.

I mean, there were contentions that maybe drugs played a role.

But here we had a situation where a black officer shot a suspect who was on arm, but there was going to be no connection and no comparison and no correlation.

Okay, I can understand that.

But you can't just keep doing that or it sounds Orwellian.

So, what Joe Biden, if he was a man and he had integrity, he would give a press conference today.

And he said, this tribalism has to stop.

We are all Americans.

I want everybody tomorrow: if you're Black, go talk to a white person.

If you're white, talk to your Black neighbor.

If you're Hispanic, talk, don't mention that you're white or Black, Hispanic.

Mention that you're an American.

And I want healing.

And I don't want this tick for tat or whatever it is.

And we all have to condemn it.

When any member of one particular race goes out and deliberately kills a lot of people of another, we're going to condemn it in the same fashion.

fashion.

If we don't, then we're trying to add fuel to the fire.

So Joe Biden and the left are saying this occasion before the midterms offers us narratives, gun narratives.

Can't we ban these types of weapons?

Racial narratives.

This shows you that Millie or Austin were right, that there was white supremacists everywhere.

And that's what they're doing.

And when this shooter put the names of the dead in Waukesha, you can see what happens, that each time one particular group shoots a bunch of others, there's going to be extremists within that particular group that are going to go back and do it.

And when you don't condemn all of them in the same fashion for the same reasons in the same manner, then you're not going to be able to suppress it.

The final thing is let's get some very serious penalties.

We have people, the subway shooter, and we have the guy at the shopping center shooter.

And we've got to have an idea that when you go out and shoot somebody, even the guy who tackled Dave Chappelle, I mean, he said, well, it was just a misnomer.

He tackled him.

He tried to hurt him.

And that should have been a felonious assault.

But when we do that, let's arrest them.

Let's indict them.

Let's get good prosecutors and convict them and let's punish them.

But when you get this impression that a guy like this guy can go in and shoot a bunch of people and kill 11 people in a racist attack and then all of a sudden put down his weapon and say, oh, I've been going to kill myself.

Oh, no.

And he's obviously got the idea there's not going to be a lot of punishment.

And maybe there will be because of the politicized nature of the case, but he should be prosecuted to the fullest.

And for people, you know, for mass shootings, I believe in the death penalty.

I think it would be a deterrent.

But of course, we don't do that anymore.

Especially not in New York State.

Yeah, these shooters have no, all of them.

Black, white, killers, whatever they are, they have no sense of deterrence.

They feel that they're going to do it.

And particular members of the race will either applaud them and then national politicians will either condemn them or be quiet about it depending on how the political narrative is and they're very likely they don't feel they're going to be punished i was happy when timothy mcveigh was executed right and i think we could that was a good start and i think we could do it with this guy we could do it with the waukashaw killer he deliberately took a car and he swerved to kill little children and old people because of their skin color And he said so.

He said on his social media that he hated people because they were white and he gave directions about hitting them and et cetera.

And he should be executed if he's found guilty.

Same as this shooter.

Well, Victor, yeah, very, just truly disturbing on so many levels.

Tragic.

These people were just shopping and some punk comes in there with some crazy idea.

And one final thing is I know that you said they went after Fox, but I didn't have time to read the manifesto, manifesto, but I saw excerpts in the media.

It's again the same thing.

This guy is nuts.

So he doesn't like Fox.

And he's got this anti-Semitic, the Jews control everything.

And they're trying to tie that to the MAGA agenda.

But Donald Trump's son-in-law is Jewish.

His daughter is a converted Jew.

Try to the squad if you have to talk to something.

Yeah, he's the most pro-Israeli president we've ever had.

Right.

So the idea that he's encouraging people to be anti-Semitic is nuts.

We know who people who are anti-Semitic are today.

They tend to be on the hard left.

And I'm not blaming them for this.

I'm just saying it's like the Hodgkinson killing, the Bernie Sanders staffer goes out and tries to take out the House leadership.

That's a political assassination attempt.

But you would never read in the media that he was a Bernie Sanders hardcore leftist activist.

Yeah, it does not fit the narrative.

Right.

Well, Victor, we have time for another topic, and that's going to be about colleges and diversity oaths.

And we're going to get to that right after these messages.

We're back with the Victor Davis-Hansen show recording on Monday, May 16th.

So Victor, really interesting piece that Real Clear Politics published a couple of days ago.

It's titled Today's Diversity Oaths Resemble 1950s Loyalty Oaths.

So what's happening is at the University of Illinois, Urbana, Champaign, this is the, I don't know if it's the president of the college put out this statement, but someone higher up.

It will require, quote, all faculty members to submit to a diversity statement to be considered for tenure.

or promotion.

The author of this article is Charles Lipson.

He's a former professor of political science at the University of Chicago.

And these now emerging diversity oaths remind him of the 1950s loyalty oaths that many institutions started to require.

And a case of one gentleman, George Anastopoulo, who refused, even though he was no radical, but he on principle refused to take the oath.

And it was of some repute back in the day, this piece.

Anyway, Victor, regardless of that historical anecdote, the fact that colleges, hey, they're already requiring all kinds of standards for just being hired in the first place, never mind, but that diversity outside would be part and parcel of tenure and promotion in a college is, it's shocking, but it's not shocking.

What are your thoughts about it?

Well, remember what that means.

That means, let's say one of you in the audience wants to teach at a particular college and you send them your dossier, your degree, information, publications, letters of recommendations, all in your file.

And they send you back and say, we want you to write a diversity memo oath about your commitment to diversity.

Now, what does that mean?

It means the following.

If you say, I believe in the dream of Martin Luther King and the promise of the civil rights movement, that we will reach a point where the content of our character will be more important than the color of our skin.

And I support, therefore, diversity of all sorts in every imaginable way, intellectual diversity, ethnic diversity, racial diversity, gender diversity, diversity of opinion, a diversity of ideology.

Let's have as many different views coming from as many different people as possible to enrich the college experience.

You will never get that job.

you will be considered a right-wing nut, et cetera, et cetera.

You're not going to.

So it's not just a diversity memo or a diversity statement.

It is a Stalinist way of checking to see how correct a person is.

So

there's going to be 90% of the people who sign it will go on the internet and read about what they are.

And they're going to write something like this.

My entire life, I've been committed to diversity.

When I was a graduate student, I tried, let's say that they're researching amphora handles in the Aegean.

They're going to say, when I was doing my thesis on amphora and handles, I make sure that I looked at the patterns of trade to Egypt and how people of color were denied access to trade routes by the Greeks.

And when I was a graduate student, I mentored people from the inner city, and that's what they're going to write.

Whether it's true or not, nobody's going to check, as we know, getting back to the Elizabeth Warren, Rachel Delzell,

Ward Churchill phenomenon, nobody will check.

And there'll be a few naive people, people, maybe 8% or 9% that won't school themselves and they'll kind of write stuff, but they won't have the ideological jargon.

You know, they won't say things like, this is the intersection of race and class and gender.

And

I would hope in my class I have safe spaces and I will be sure there will be trigger warnings.

They won't know all that.

And they'll just write that I want to treat everybody and they won't get the job.

There'll be one or 2%.

that will think they're not going to get the job anyway.

And they'll write what's true and say, I believe in intellectual and other diversity so yeah it's going to be used to weed out people and to make the universities not 93 percent left-wing professors but 100 it's probably illegal as we found out the supreme court finally ruled in a series of rulings about loyalty oaths or that you weren't a communist or you'd never been a communist but it's so weird how this generation of leftists is so fascistic and they've adopted the Stalinist idea or the fascist Mussolini idea that just because they feel they've announced themselves morally superior to anybody, they can just violate any standard norms of behavior for a so-called utopian agenda.

It's really disgusting.

And I get stuff sent almost every day from people who say, dear Professor Hanson, dear doctor, did you see what this person wrote about you?

Did you see what the, and you know what?

It's always some young person on a blog or in a review who says, well, he's not sensitive to issues of diversity or he did.

And these people never live diverse lives, Jack.

They don't live where I do, where there's almost no white people.

And

I don't even count that.

I don't care.

I just treat people as people.

But it's almost like this very wealthy white elite is guilty that they're ill-equipped to deal with people because they've been pampered or they've grown up in segregated neighborhoods or they've been drilled in by their parents, you know, when they were four to go to sat camp on their way to Harvard, that they're not comfortable with people who are poor, white poor, black poor, Hispanic poor.

They are comfortable with people in the very, very upper echelons who are diverse, but most people aren't in that echelon.

So they overreact.

And you can just imagine the people who dream this stuff up.

Like, you know, this Jenkowitz woman and she's the minister of disinformation.

What does she know about life in America?

And all we know about her is she was a master of disinformation.

Right.

You know, one last thing is that I can't confirm this because I didn't have enough time,

but I do recall reading last night that this crazy Jinron mass murderer in his manifesto, he did mention that he was a leftist, a communist.

He started out as a...

communist and I think he then he changed the turn to populist and then he went he was anti-corporate.

And so what you're getting with a lot of these nutty people is that they drink in every single extremist viewpoint and then they mix them together and then they go out and shoot people.

And I'm not one to say that Mr.

Hodginson shot a bunch of people because of Bernie Sanders' political views.

I don't think that was true.

I'm not one to say that the civil rights leaders are responsible.

But I do think that people on either side who go out and talk about race constantly, whether they're saying white, white, white, white, white is bad, bad or black, black, black, whatever it is.

If you talk about race and you talk about it in exclusionary term, you have culpability because there's going to be some nut out there who says, you know what?

These people are so bad, I'm going to take action.

Because they're talking about it in a lie against what America is really like.

I mean, if you take the rhetoric out of it, the racial trajectory of America, let's call it from bad to improving, has been dramatic in the last 50 years.

It's just been terribly dramatic.

That's the reality.

And the people who have been the greatest beneficiaries of a racially blind society, whether it's Oprah or Whoopi Goldberg or Colin Kaepernick or LeBron James or the Obamas, they're the most unhappy.

That's a phenomenon that a lot of people have pointed out in terms of social transformations.

people who in the past belonged to a particular group that was subject to discrimination as they achieve parity.

And even as we know now, there's a lot of ethnic groups that are in terms of per capita more successful than so-called majority culture whites.

They become even angrier.

And there's a lot of psychological elements to it, but one of them is that we got parity and we make more now.

And we don't get the, they feel that, as Aristotle said, once a person is equal in democracy, they demand that they be equal in every aspect of their lives, the ones that are uncontrolled by government culture.

And if they're not, then they get even angrier.

It kind of reminds me, it's a psychological phenomenon i used to know a young scholar and he said if i could just get a book published that would be my whole he wrote me and said if i can just get a book published and i i wrote to a lot of and then he got it published it was pretty good and then he said but it wasn't reviewed i said well scholars are picky people don't don't worry about it it was a good book but it wasn't reviewed right it wasn't reviewed And then he got angry.

And then he said, and this people don't cite my book.

And so what I'm getting at, once he achieved this level of his dreams, then the dreams accelerated geometrically.

And then he wanted all perfect reviews.

And then when he didn't get them, then the whole system was bad.

And so that's a human propensity that the more successful you are, the greater your appetites for perfection are.

Well, in our current times, I do think you've mentioned Oprah.

There's a very tiny percentage of people who are obsessed by this and are providing this harmful rhetoric.

And look, I'm not patting my back, but in my own life, and remember, I was the publisher of National Review and my kids, our house, my kids' friends were, you know, we were the house that every night, like 20 kids were over there.

They were everything.

Kids, it was the League of Nations, you know, the gay, straight, Muslim, black, white, Chinese, et cetera.

And I just thought, well, this is interesting.

You know, the publisher of the evil conservative National Review, his house is melting pot of America.

To me, that was the reality of America.

And in my own family, I'm one of 10 kids, but I can't keep track of the 20 or so nations and variation of colors and languages that all my beautiful nieces and nephews come from, and many sisters-in-law and brothers-in-law.

So, that's the reality of America.

It's not the reality of 50 years ago.

It is a reality, but I don't think it's the reality of our elites.

It's not.

That's the point.

That's the point.

I had a person who came and stayed for a day.

And at one point, a guy came in to talk.

Another guy came in.

He said to me, Do you know any white people out here?

I said, Not really.

They're all gone.

But his point was, I hadn't noticed that, that I had been talking to a guy from India, and there was two or three people who were Mexican-American.

And he thought that I was very familiar with him as friends, which I was.

And then the guy that I rent, the almond orchard, came over.

He was a wonderful person.

And the point I'm making is that a lot of this angst and this divisiveness comes from very affluent, very highly educated, professional, bicoastal, mostly white, I don't like to use names, you know, labels,

and other minorities that are very, very successful and they're not around a multiracial group of people of the working classes who don't have the time.

to worry about whether they were systemically this or triggered that or safe spaced this.

They just don't.

They're out there, you know, they're out there driving a semi and they're judging their abilities against other semi drivers or they're at a packing house or they're using a dolly to move in a dryer to somebody's home or they're on a roof.

That is what diversity is.

This elite, we've got something very, very toxic in this country.

We have said if you go to a particular school, or you live in a particular zip code, you're in a particular profession, then somehow you are to be listened to and your experiences and your thoughts are to be taken seriously.

And they're not.

We should say to most of these people,

you are just more or less a privileged, unrepresentative person of the American experience.

And there's no reason I'm going to listen to any of your crap.

And that's pretty much what we should say.

So sign me up.

Yeah.

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This is the last time we're talking, Victor, for a couple of weeks.

You know, we've recorded some podcasts that will be uploaded into justthenews.com, which is the host.

Yeah, it is.

And I'm going to be in communicado on May 23rd.

I fly to lead this group to Israel.

And I haven't really been out much because of the COVID.

So I haven't been on Fox Fox and I won't be on it for almost a month altogether.

But being an optimist, I will come back completely reinvigorated.

I'm killing long COVID today or tomorrow.

I've decided.

By the way, before you leave, Jack, you're always telling, we've had these discussions about archangels.

What is the patron saint of COVID?

Saint Anthony of Fauci.

No, no, that's the.

Did you see what that jackass said the other day about

that he was going to resign?

I'm going to be 82 if he's president or something.

I'm going to quit.

Promises, promises.

You know that if Trump were elected, he'd crawl into the office and say, you know, I was secretly for you.

No, no.

Anthony Fauci is something that I don't want to discuss.

I like to pick on somebody who's down on the map.

I will find, I'll let you know.

I'm sure the patron saint of respiratory issues, although I think this

because it's gastrointestinal issues, also.

Yeah, I take a lot of supplements, but I'm waiting for the secret magic bullet supplement.

I don't want to go that turn that fork on the road where you end up, you know, putting wires on your head or plugging yourself into an electrical socket or something.

Victor, it may simply be chicken soup.

You never know.

I think it's simple.

Willpower, that's my father always would tell me when I'd got the flu.

He said, if you get up and you work and you exercise, it'll leave you trying that but dad i'm communicating in the other world i'm not sure it's that you had this but i agree with your prognosis yeah i'm trying to do that power through your head's going to hurt anyway might as well hurt while you're while you're doing stuff yeah right so well thanks victor safe travels and thanks everyone for listening again the show will be the pre-recorded episodes will be up there for while victor's gone so i can say in all honesty we'll be back again in a few days with another episode of the Victor Davis-Hansen Show.

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