Overexposed: The Truth and Troubles of Left Politics

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Speaker 2 We are recording on Sunday, the 23rd of February, and this particular episode will be up on Tuesday, the 25th. Victor is back in beautiful

Speaker 2 Selma, California. Should I give away the name of the town, Victor? I don't know.
It's just going to make more.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you know, I've never had allergies my whole life, and after I got that long COVID, I got really bad. So I'm in the middle of nut allergies now, and I'm in the middle and bee allergies.

Speaker 3 And there's a million bees 10 yards away in the blooming, beautiful orchard. And I go places I don't want to go, and all of a sudden, within 24 hours, I feel like I'm 40 again.

Speaker 3 I come back here, and I start aching, dizzy, and everything.

Speaker 2 You got.

Speaker 2 Didn't a bee sting you a year or two ago? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 I got to carry an EpiPen. I passed out, and when I woke up, it was, I don't know, 75 over 45 heartbeat,

Speaker 3 blood pressure, and 180 heartbeat.

Speaker 3 And these salma people, it was two very nice Hispanic women. Maybe there was a third one.
They came out and I was all covered with welts. And I said, I woke up, and

Speaker 3 my wife called them. And

Speaker 3 I said, I think I'm okay. And they gave me one EpiPen, and they said, you know, it's not doing the trick.
You've got to get an ambulance. And they gave me another one.
Then they gave me Singular.

Speaker 3 Then they gave me steroids. And they gave me Benadryl.
Then they gave me Zyrtec. and I said, enough already.
But whatever they did, my heart rate

Speaker 3 went down and my blood pressure stabilized within three hours, and all my wealth disappeared.

Speaker 3 And then I went to the allergist in a week, and he said, you're a number 10 on Bee Sting, and you got to have immunotherapy, Jack, where they inject you with B therapy.

Speaker 3 And I said, how often of every 10 injections for the next three or four years does you have anaphylaxis? And they said, oh, it's not bad, maybe one out of ten.

Speaker 3 So I said, well, if I do 40 or 50 a year, I'm going to have this for sure.

Speaker 3 Yes, but you won't die if you get stung. I said, I'll take my chances.

Speaker 2 Wow,

Speaker 2 that sounds like you'd be St. Stephen with all these pokings at you, pinpricks.
I know.

Speaker 3 I ever tell him, I used to love bees. I thought, poor bees, go out and work.
In fact, when it was a shady day and they weren't pollinating the plums, I would throw rocks at the hive.

Speaker 3 I'd say, get out there and work, but you lazy.

Speaker 3 And now I see them. I said, get back in there.

Speaker 3 Don't attack me. There's a theory, a guy told me in the ER, I don't think he, that

Speaker 3 bees are attracted to people who have a discernible allergy as if you give off a scent or something. I think that's an old wives' tale.
Anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 2 Wow, that is big-time old wives' tale.

Speaker 2 All right, Victor, what are we going to talk about today?

Speaker 2 We're going to talk about Joy Reed. Yeah,

Speaker 3 Joy Reid lost her premiere extravaganza hit show.

Speaker 2 We can all tell that Victor is in mourning, and

Speaker 2 we'll get his tears when we come back after these important messages.

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Speaker 2 We are back with the Victor Davis-Hansen Show again, recording on Sunday the 23rd. This episode up on Tuesday the 25th.

Speaker 2 Who knows what might happen between these two days? The Pope may pass away. He's in critical condition, but we'll deal with that if and when it happens.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so Victor, about Joy Reed,

Speaker 2 it was announced today. Her show has been canceled.
And a side note,

Speaker 2 I think this will be a new must-watch show for Victor. His headline is Failed Squad reps, Corey Bush and Jamal Bowman launched new show

Speaker 2 on failed MSNBC host Maid Hassan's new media platform. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 3 Jamal Bowman, the fire alarm guy?

Speaker 2 The fire alarm guy.

Speaker 3 The guy that was basically claiming that the Jewish community defeated him?

Speaker 2 He was basically, yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't understand the logic of that.

Speaker 3 You're going to go from the frying pan into the fire. It doesn't make any sense.
Jory Reed was very strange. I wrote a a column about her once because she went on there

Speaker 3 with cornrows once and she said, I'm going to be path-breaking, essentially, I'm not quoting her verbatim, but essentially she said this, that I'm going to be a path-breaking Africana Americana and I'm going to wear my indigenous

Speaker 3 and I don't like basically blonde-haired women, culturally appropriate, sort of like,

Speaker 3 you know, movie stars that have cornrows.

Speaker 3 And i thought okay that's legitimate and the next thing i know i i turned you know and i was channel surfing she's got blonde hair she's dyed her hair blonde i thought i thought you don't believe in cultural appropriation so white people cannot wear black hairstyles but you can dye your hair like you're some viking be symmetrical because she was

Speaker 3 and then i realized that every once in a once in a month i would just wanted to see what the left was saying and i i felt really bad she's in her parents were immigrants.

Speaker 3 They were upper, middle class. She was given every type of fairness, if not advantages.
And then all she did for six or seven years was

Speaker 3 she couldn't finish a show without saying white, white people, white people, white people, white people. And I thought, why are you doing that?

Speaker 3 I think she's married to somebody who's white, isn't she?

Speaker 2 I think she is.

Speaker 3 I can't believe that she would, she was so. And so I thought of myself, Joy, stop it.

Speaker 3 Even your left-wing bicosto elite who are white are not going to want to hear that white people are the alpha and the omega of all mortal sins in the United States.

Speaker 3 And when you say that, you come off from a position of perceived self-doubt or inferiority, complex or something.

Speaker 3 Just talk about issues without being upset. She couldn't talk about anything but race is what I'm saying.
And to put Bowman Bowman on there, who

Speaker 3 committed a felony and then he lied about it. And then he

Speaker 3 was anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic, so the Jewish community helped defeat him, and then he got mad and screamed.

Speaker 3 That was the rally. You remember when AOC did her rain dance? She got up on the thing and she started leaping around.

Speaker 3 You know, I think that rally jumping Jack Flash or something. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't think that was even in his district. It was in the Bronx, so he could play a Tough Guy South Bronx foul mouth thing, but was not even in his district.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he kept using all these bad words.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's gone, and then Corey Bush is, she's just as bad. I think she wasn't she the one that had the her husband was doing the security detail or something.
She got in trouble.

Speaker 3 It doesn't matter what race you are, it doesn't matter what tribe you say you belong to, once you are perceived to have

Speaker 3 exemption or

Speaker 3 advantage, whether it's DEI, affirmative action, or asymmetrical application of laws, then that's not good.

Speaker 3 And we know that from Jim Crow in the South, that poor white people or any white person who was charged with something

Speaker 3 and received either a lighter sentence or was exonerated and a black man was not treated the same, it wasn't good for white people either because they got a sense of entitlement.

Speaker 3 And then to take that asymmetrical wrong, amoral system, and flip it back.

Speaker 3 And I'm just basically quoting chapter and verse of the life work of Tom Soule, that wealthy white people flipped this system over

Speaker 3 and put it on black people, and it wasn't going to be good because it didn't hold everybody accountable. She was never accountable to the ratings game.

Speaker 3 And she had a brief moment for about a year after George Floyd, where she capitalized on that.

Speaker 3 And if she had been a disinterested person, she could have offered analysis and opinion, but she just got obsessed with race.

Speaker 3 Race, race, race.

Speaker 3 By the way, ratings were below 500,000. I think they were down, getting down.
She lost half her audience at least after the election.

Speaker 2 You know, very few Americans' eyeballs on that network. Victor,

Speaker 2 her husband, by the way, I was checking that out.

Speaker 2 He's a black man.

Speaker 2 He is.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry about that. I thought he was.
I'm thinking of somebody else that was very

Speaker 2 hard.

Speaker 2 I'm just sorry. He's her husband.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 let's stick with somebody else who talks about race, race, race, and that's Stacey Avery.

Speaker 3 There's another prominent African-American.

Speaker 3 I think Ellie Mostel, you know, the guy that's got the wacky hair. He's a Harvard law graduate, and he's always talking about white people.
I think his wife may be white.

Speaker 2 I don't know. It could be.
Yeah, could be.

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Speaker 2 Victor, Stacey Abrams, I guess while we're talking about people that have made a living on cvetching about race and a living on race,

Speaker 2 she has

Speaker 2 Doge issues with,

Speaker 2 she's a a woman that was underwater economically, financially, personally, I think in 2018.

Speaker 2 And all of a sudden, a few years later, she's sitting on top of $2 billion of cash, courtesy of the Environmental Protection Agency, which just seems to be a slush fund for any left-wing group.

Speaker 2 It has nothing to do with picking up litter, right, or keeping rivers clean or

Speaker 2 clean smokestacks. It's a slush fund for the left.
So anyway, she has been outed. And do you have any thoughts on that, my friend?

Speaker 3 Well, you know, I never understood her popularity because in I think it was 2018. I'm doing this from memory, but she ran for governor.
She lost by 50,000 votes.

Speaker 3 Immediately, she became an election denialist. She toured the country for a year, raising a lot of money for herself.

Speaker 3 I think she had a she didn't declare bankruptcy, but she had all this credit card debt and financial problems. And then she wrote these

Speaker 3 pathetic risque novels about sex and stuff that didn't go very well. But she became a hero of the left.
It was so incongruous because

Speaker 3 two years before, and during that time, they were calling that Trump was illegitimately elected in 2016, Russian collusion. And here they had a person who...

Speaker 3 And then after 2020, it became even worse because then they were saying Trump

Speaker 3 won't accept the election, but she had never accepted the election.

Speaker 3 And then, when Joe Biden ridiculously pre-announced in panic over the George Floyd riots that he was going to pick essentially a black woman, he surveyed the landscape and wow, there were people who said it's either going to be Camela Harris or Stacey Abrams, somebody like Susan Rice.

Speaker 3 And she really helped Camilla Harris because Camilla Harris compared to Stacey Abrams was mainstream. So what they did was,

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 I remember that Camilla Harris, she went to Georgia and she said, we're doing something new.

Speaker 3 We're going to take this billions of dollars out of that $20 billion slush fund, I think it was $2 billion, and we're going to give it directly to these groups.

Speaker 3 But what she didn't tell us was two things, that Stacey Abrams would be the clearinghouse.

Speaker 3 And as Lee Zeldin said, that she had never had more than $100 in this defunct PA pack or whatever it was, and it increased by 20 million times to $2 billion.

Speaker 3 So you were letting sort of an arsonist dispute

Speaker 3 disperse fire prevention money. That's basically what it was.

Speaker 3 Somebody who was completely irresponsible with their own finances, would not accept elections, played the race card ad infinitum, and then you're turning over $2 billion.

Speaker 3 And the second thing they did is they didn't trust that everybody could waste that money quickly because they did it as they were going out the door. So they put it in a citibank account.

Speaker 3 In other words, as if it was already spent. So they took it out of the EPA

Speaker 3 because they didn't want it to sit there and then have to disperse it because they thought they couldn't blow through $2 billion in time before Trump came in.

Speaker 3 So then they just took it all out and put it in a city. And that's what Lee Zeldon is doing now.
He's suing to get that money back if there is any left.

Speaker 3 So, you know, when they all talk about Elon, why don't they just say stuff like that? Why don't we just, why doesn't the left just say, look at this wonderful program.

Speaker 3 We've got the sober and judicious Stacey Abrams, known for her physical sobriety, and she is overseeing $2 billion.

Speaker 3 And, you know, the average person pays $20,000 in income tax.

Speaker 3 So she's representing the investment into the government each year of thousands of households and tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. So

Speaker 3 why doesn't she just say,

Speaker 3 I'm very proud of what we're doing. Don't cut it.

Speaker 3 She's a wonderful steward of your money. But they never do that.
They just scream and yell, constitutional crisis, and they never actually address the cut.

Speaker 3 You know, because of this podcast, I get emails now, maybe three a day, and they're from people like the following. I am a Forest Service lifetime ranger, and

Speaker 3 I clean the trails, and

Speaker 3 I'm going to lose my job. Or I have been a soil chemist for EPA, Victor, and you need to point out that this is we're all losing our job.
And I have no way to adjudicate that, right? With the program.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 the other thing, very quickly, Jack, is

Speaker 3 and I'm not criticizing Elon, whom I praised to the skies, but they need to get a

Speaker 3 better narrative and the sense that it's tragic. In other words, you don't want to act like you're getting scalps.
You've got to say something along the following. We didn't create the problem.

Speaker 3 You people, you were the revolutionaries. You hired all these people.
You were the one that spent seven trillion dollars. You were the one that opened the border.

Speaker 3 You were the one that let in 12 million people. You were the the one that canceled Keystone and put 650,000 acres off.
You were the cancer, and it was not sustainable with 37 trillion.

Speaker 3 So then we came in, and we are the ones. It's very easy to hire people and get patronage.
It's very hard. to say there's no money and have to lay them off.
We don't like doing that.

Speaker 3 It's very easy to let in 12 million people and say, ha ha ha.

Speaker 3 It's very hard to find them and tell them you have to go home, you entered under illegal auspices. Very easy to destroy the border, very hard to build a wall and reconstruct it.
Very easy with it.

Speaker 3 Just say, oh, we're not going to have ANWAR, we're not going to have Keystones. Very hard to get those projects resurrected.
So my point is

Speaker 3 we are the counter-revolutionaries, and we've had the most radical revolution in our history. And it's not easy to undo what Joe Biden did and earlier Obama.

Speaker 3 And we're not bragging about putting people out of work. We feel bad, but

Speaker 3 we feel worse for the taxpayers who are strapped and have to give money to an irresponsible federal government. And they have to have that more.
They're starting to do that.

Speaker 3 They had a wonderful press conference. I looked at it on YouTube, Jack, with

Speaker 3 Caroline Levitt.

Speaker 3 She brought out

Speaker 3 Kevin Hassert, who's wonderful, and then they had Steve Miller, who's got a photographic memory, and then they had Waltz, who's national security.

Speaker 3 And each one explained what they had done in one month. Waltz went over the foreign policy, which I hope we'll talk about in a second, about Ukraine.

Speaker 3 And then Miller went over the whole idea of the constitutionality of what they're doing and illegal immigration. And

Speaker 3 Kevin was really good on just hold on, everybody. We're going to deal with inflation.
We didn't cause it. We've only been in 30 days.
But when we address

Speaker 3 this massive overspending and when we get, we're not trying to put tariffs on anybody. We're just saying you have a tariff, we will have a tariff.
You have no tariff, we will have no tariff.

Speaker 2 And it was very good.

Speaker 3 I think they need to do that almost every two weeks. Bring in Homeland Christy Noam.
It's your turn, Christy. Tell us what's going on in

Speaker 3 Homeland Security. Your turn, Pam Bondi, and showcase them.
It would be wonderful.

Speaker 2 It was a very powerful video, Kelly Loffler, Loeffler, I'm not sure how she pronounced her name, at the SBA headquarters where nobody was there.

Speaker 2 The emptiness, kind of shocking, and we know that, but to actually see on a workday when we're all working,

Speaker 2 you could go through the office without a single soul.

Speaker 3 I don't understand how the argument the Democrats, it's almost like they're saying a federal employee is not subject to any of the conditions, risks, any of the real world that all of you are out there.

Speaker 3 What are they going to tell some farmer who's out there farming wheat or corn? He has no idea, or she has no idea what they're going to have any money at the end of the year, period.

Speaker 3 And they are living on borrowed money from the bank on their crop loan.

Speaker 3 And every day they go out, they don't know if they made money that day or if they paid somebody for the pleasure of being an attractor all day.

Speaker 3 And they won't know until that crop is harvested, if there's not a rain, there's not a frost, something.

Speaker 3 And if they actually get the crop, then they don't, the price, they're at the mercy of the brokerage

Speaker 3 people and the world market. And they're going to tell those people, oh, it's so bad that we have to go into work with a steady, guaranteed income.

Speaker 3 I don't think that's going to be persuasive for a truck. How about a truck driver?

Speaker 3 You know, he's driving down there

Speaker 3 17, 18 hours every couple of days. He looks at what's the price of fuel in Indiana.
Oh, God, I got to go to California. What's the price of diesel there? Oh, my car, my truck insurance went up.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 And you're trying to tell him that somebody with a guaranteed job you're supposed to feel sorry for. I don't think they're going to be sympathetic.

Speaker 3 Same thing, like a guy on a forklift in Modesto, and you say to him,

Speaker 3 How long have you been on that forklift at 15 bucks an hour? I've been out here since I was 18. Do you want to pay your taxes to forgive 1.7 trillion in student loans? No,

Speaker 3 he's half the country. And that's why the Democrats don't quite get it.
You know,

Speaker 2 I know that the polls,

Speaker 3 as they did with Reagan, Reagan didn't, Reagan had terrible polls, and as you remember, Jack, in 82, he got hit in the midterms, and in 83, and then all of a sudden, the Reagan Revolution kicked in with tax cuts, deregulation, and the economy grew almost 7% in 84.

Speaker 3 He wiped out Mondale. But it's going to be rough

Speaker 3 to administer chemo to this patient. It really is.

Speaker 3 That's us, the patient.

Speaker 2 We're going to talk a little more specifically about

Speaker 2 Democrats and their polling

Speaker 2 free fall. And we're going to talk about what else, Victor? The cruelty in Gaza, Zelensky now offering to resign,

Speaker 2 if that will help a broker, broker deals, Kash Patel's first actions. So we've got plenty more to get your views on, and we'll get to that when we come back from these important messages.

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Speaker 2 We're back with the Victor Davis Hansen Show, recording on Sunday, the 23rd of February. This episode is up on the 25th.
Victor is back in the saddle in California.

Speaker 2 He was down in Florida for a few days.

Speaker 2 How'd everything go there, Victor? Quickly. You didn't have any airline issues.

Speaker 2 No dogs sitting next to you on the plane, licking you or anything like that?

Speaker 3 No, people were very friendly. I flew in.
It was a kind of a storm, and the pilot was wonderful. He went right through the storm.

Speaker 3 We landed, and then a dense fog ensued in Dallas, and we took right off.

Speaker 3 I arrived right on time. I had a connection, and then

Speaker 3 it was kind of cloudy and cold in Naples.

Speaker 3 And I had to go to a Bradley Foundation meeting for two days, and then took a car and went to Palm Beach. It was very cold and windy.

Speaker 3 Got a little warmer, and then I went to Scott Atlas's Liberty Institute.

Speaker 3 It's a new institute that Scott has founded, mostly geared toward toward young people, young professionals, to see if they can create each year advocates for free speech and free expression all across business, healthcare, everything.

Speaker 3 So I gave the speech, had a nice,

Speaker 3 I sat at the table with the First Lady of Florida who was

Speaker 3 just very

Speaker 3 talk right before mine. She's brilliant.

Speaker 3 She's a very effective speaker. She's beautiful.
She's competent.

Speaker 3 She's, gosh, that's a scary pair, the two of them, Ron DeSantis and his wife.

Speaker 2 She survived cancer, also.

Speaker 3 Yes, she survived cancer.

Speaker 3 And then Laura was there, Laura Ingram.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I talked to Laura.

Speaker 3 I owe a great debt to Laura because I had been informally, to tell you the truth, exiled for my rare occasions appearances on Fox.

Speaker 3 And then Laura Ingram brought me back in 2017, I think. So

Speaker 3 I owe her a debt of gratitude. And we talked, I had a little conversation.
We were both a little worried. I don't know if she's going to bring it up Monday, but that

Speaker 3 there can't be a triumphalist message that we're, aha, we're doing all this. It's like you people put us in this position, so there's going to be some rough medicine that's being administered.

Speaker 3 We don't like to do it, but you made us do it because this was not sustainable, especially on the economy. We didn't create the hyperinflation you did.

Speaker 3 We didn't create these huge deficits in the same degree that you did. And so I think we were kind of on the same page on that.

Speaker 2 Okay, well,

Speaker 2 let's get into some

Speaker 2 foreign matters.

Speaker 2 Let's start off with Gaza, Victor, and

Speaker 2 just absolute depravity. These twisted celebrations of the murdered babies and their mom.

Speaker 2 A little clip here from

Speaker 2 the Daily Mail.

Speaker 2 Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed revenge on Hamas after it was discovered that the body in a coffin bearing Shiri Bibas's name and photo was an unidentified woman, not the kidnapped mother of the two.

Speaker 2 On Thursday, Hamas was supposed to deliver the bodies of Shiri, Ariel and Kfir Bibas, and Oded Lifshitz.

Speaker 2 However, during the identification process, Israel discovered that the body inside Shiri's coffin was not hers.

Speaker 2 These Hamas monsters also cynically refused to bring back the boy's mother, Shiri, and sent the body of a Gazan woman instead in brazen violation of the agreement,

Speaker 2 Netanyahu said in a statement on

Speaker 2 Friday. Victor, that

Speaker 2 weirdo, sick, twisted gameplay plus the celebrations in the streets of the you know, your average Gazan citizen.

Speaker 3 Well, what was interesting about this is the left wants to create this narrative that

Speaker 3 there was this small clique of Hamas radicals that, yes, they did get elected, but they canceled all the elections, and they're not representative of the Palestinians of Gaza.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 when you gave them evidence that on October 7th, when it was announced, these hostages, Jack, were not taken by Hamas terrorists. They were taken by civilians and sold.

Speaker 3 I mean, there was a bounty on Israelis. If you saw the picture when the bulldozer knocked down the fence, it was a free-for-all.

Speaker 3 Once the word got out, you can rape, you can kill, you can torture, you can steal, right across there.

Speaker 3 You know, look at that beautiful kibbutz, all these affluent Israelis, just go to it. They had all, they had hundreds of people who swarmed.

Speaker 3 And when you saw the bodies that they came back with or the people they were torturing,

Speaker 3 it was the Gazans. And then when they started releasing the first prisoners, they had Hamas people protecting

Speaker 3 the prisoners from the civilians. They wanted to kill them.

Speaker 3 So, and this whole idea that we didn't, oh, I have a, I'm in a mosque, I'm in a hospital, I'm in a school, I didn't know there was a Hamas headquarters beneath me. Of course they knew.

Speaker 3 They were part of the thing. So my point is, when you, and then they did the autopsies on the two young children who came back battered, and it was very clear to them, very,

Speaker 3 I mean, you can't fool an Israeli pathologist

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 coroner, and what they found was that the children had been strangled to death, and then their bodies had been beaten up to make it look as if they were hit by falling concrete or something.

Speaker 3 So they killed little children. And as I said, even the Grand Mufti, that's pretty hard for him to get shocked by anybody.
And the UN criticized it. But here's the point:

Speaker 3 their whole currency that protects them is the international left.

Speaker 3 And so, all they had to do was take off their mask, wear business suits, and conduct themselves like

Speaker 3 other people who claim that they are nations. And they couldn't do that.
So, they, as they are cowards, they put on their whole camouflage

Speaker 3 uniforms, their scarves, headbands, the whole Hamas get up. They

Speaker 3 were anonymous, you couldn't identify them. And then they started triumphally bragging and boasting over coffins, coffins.
So they were trading corpses, and they didn't tell anybody they were dead.

Speaker 3 That came very late. It suggests to me there's a lot of people we think that are alive or dead.
And here's the final point:

Speaker 3 there's a thin thread that protects them from annihilation, just a thin thread. And that is

Speaker 3 everybody in Israel wants to get rid of Hamas for what they've done and what they are doing. But the United States uniparty diplomatic core says, you can't do that.
We're not going to give you bombs.

Speaker 3 We're not going to do this. And that's not there anymore.
It's Donald Trump. Donald Trump said yesterday,

Speaker 3 They asked him what Israel should do. He said, I trust them to do what they want.
Whatever they want to do, go do it.

Speaker 3 And all of those people on the stage that were triumphantly boasting about the coffins, I have a feeling they're all dead men right now.

Speaker 3 They're all dead.

Speaker 3 They don't know they're dead, but they're dead because there's going to be informants and there's going to be people who know it and they're going to boast to people and they're going to have some sophisticated technology that can identify foreheads and they're going to identify them.

Speaker 3 And you haven't heard anybody said, I'm the proud leader of Hamas. You hear names, but not self-identification, because to say that you are a leader of Hamas is a death sentence.

Speaker 3 And everybody laughed at Donald Trump when he said, you know what, we have to rebuild that rubble, but you can't do it when people are supporting Hamas, so we suggest they temporarily go somewhere.

Speaker 3 The criticism of him in the Arab world wasn't, well,

Speaker 3 we don't,

Speaker 3 that's a little extreme. It's like, it was twofold.

Speaker 3 That came from an American with Israel's support. Therefore, since we're illegitimate rulers everywhere, we've never won an election, we're afraid of the people and they won't like that.

Speaker 3 And number two, we don't want these people. We do not want them in Egypt.
We do not want them in Jordan. We do not, Kuwait must be saying, we had these people once.

Speaker 3 And when Saddam invaded Kuwait, they sided with Saddam. We don't want them.
And remember,

Speaker 3 The Kuwaitis, once we gave them their country back, what was the first thing they did? Ethnically cleanse a third of a a million Palestinians. They just said, get out.

Speaker 3 And so that's the only hang-up.

Speaker 3 And I think there's going to be a lot of support for rebuilding Gaza, but having passport control about who gets to come in and make it a real nation and try to make it, you know,

Speaker 3 a situation where you don't let terrorists in. And that's going to be my only reservation, I don't think the United States should spend any money on it, period, not one dime.
And number two,

Speaker 3 I don't think that we should allow anybody from that enclave to come into the United States.

Speaker 3 Not one.

Speaker 2 If there's Arab money to build a Dubai, there's money to

Speaker 2 invest.

Speaker 3 There's plenty of Arab money to do that.

Speaker 3 And we have plenty. We have 12 million illegal immigrants.
We have students rioting and chasing Jews on our campuses, defacing monuments and graves.

Speaker 3 We don't need any more students from the Middle East countries that support terrorism. And I hope Donald Trump reinstitutes his ban, not aimed at Arabs or Muslims, just countries that Somalia, Sudan,

Speaker 3 Syria, Iran.

Speaker 2 Ireland.

Speaker 2 Did you see this?

Speaker 2 The Irish ministers typically come to America on St. Patrick's Day.

Speaker 2 I think St. Patrick's Day is a bigger deal deal here than it is in Ireland.

Speaker 2 And they're not coming this year because

Speaker 2 of support for Hamas, Gaza.

Speaker 3 My grandmother was Irish, so

Speaker 3 I have no ethnicity.

Speaker 2 No, but

Speaker 2 they're twisted. They're a twist.

Speaker 3 Stay there.

Speaker 3 This whole thing with Europe, we'll get into it about Ukraine, but

Speaker 3 they're running almost a $230 million surplus, and Germany alone is

Speaker 3 $20 or $30 billion surplus. Germany alone is $70 or $80 billion.
When you start looking in depth at the asymmetrical tariffs, depending on the particular commodity,

Speaker 3 electronics, pharmaceuticals, cars, food, it's about double ours. In other words, they charge us 5%.

Speaker 3 We charge them either 0% to 2%.

Speaker 3 And then we're defending them. And by the way, everybody, don't tell me that we all, well, Victor, we only pay 16% of 17%, maybe 20% of NATO budget.
We don't pay half. That's not quite true.

Speaker 3 They're all under our nuclear shield, number one. Number two,

Speaker 3 they wouldn't be able to import oil, believe me, from the Middle East. They would not be able to ship stuff to China if the U.S.
Navy did not patrol.

Speaker 3 They wouldn't even get through the Red Sea if it wasn't wasn't for the U.S. Navy.
They couldn't even go through the Suez Canal. So we underwrite all of that.
And then

Speaker 3 they don't even follow the Western tradition of free expression. And they hate us.
We'll get into Donald Trump in a minute, but I don't think they know what...

Speaker 3 They kind of remind me of the Democratic Party right now.

Speaker 3 They think they're doing something that everybody, when they get Jasmine Crockett on TV and she starts screaming and yelling and racial epithets and

Speaker 3 horrible stuff, and they think, oh, you get Schumer out there and he does that, or that shrill Elizabeth Warren, or that Jamie Raskins, they think that's going to generate

Speaker 3 popular support. Well, the same thing about the Europeans.
When they start attacking Trump and the United States and this, and then you say, fine, just don't.

Speaker 2 Did you see

Speaker 2 the woman who's the leader of the ADF in Germany, whose name I don't know, I apologize, but she's adopting a very

Speaker 2 I'm going to follow Trump's template if elected, et cetera.

Speaker 3 There's an election coming up. We'll see.

Speaker 3 I think the Christian Democrats and the socialists in Germany are doing all they can

Speaker 3 to get elected

Speaker 3 the AFD because

Speaker 3 almost every day there is an illegal alien who goes and runs over someone or knife someone or kills someone. And

Speaker 3 this was the Angela Merkel, yes, we can do this program. Remember that? Yes, we can do it.
Yeah, you did it all right, Angela.

Speaker 3 She was the worst chancellor in the history of Germany, except for Hitler. She really was.

Speaker 3 She destroyed that country. Schreuter was bad, but not as bad as she was.

Speaker 3 She hated, she didn't like any conservative. She was an East German brought up under communism.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that country is in bad, bad shape. And we'll see.
And when this Ukraine, we'll talk about the Ukrainian settlement, but

Speaker 3 when

Speaker 3 Europe says, when Donald Trump says this is a problem on your border, it's been going on for three years, you have no solutions. There is no Ukraine now.
It's lost a quarter of its population.

Speaker 3 It's been destroyed. And you want to just fuel it just enough so you can kill about 100,000 people a year, but you don't have any positive strategic goals

Speaker 3 because you don't want to win and you don't want to lose, you just want to keep it going.

Speaker 3 And you bragged and bragged after Lelinsky was the rock star of 2022 with his t-shirt ex-comedian that we're going to send over all the, and you didn't send over all that stuff. And now, you know,

Speaker 3 you're free. If we had a problem with Mexico or Canada, I don't think the Europeans would butt in and say, we're going to help you with that border with Mexico and those cartels.

Speaker 3 You can't handle it, America. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 It's right in your backyard, and we have tried to help for three years, and we're nowhere. And there has to be some kind of solution.
We can talk about that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's, we'll, yeah, because Zelensky said something important today.

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Speaker 3 When I was a little boy, my grandmother, who grew grew up in New Mexico, very poor with a ranching family, and her father had spent his whole life looking for the Adams diggings.

Speaker 3 They made a movie about it, McKenna's Gold. You remember that? Oh, really? The mystical.
It's supposed to be on the rocket range somewhere. But anyway,

Speaker 3 her brother was shot in a saloon and murdered, and

Speaker 3 her father...

Speaker 3 sold what little cattle they had and went out to look for the desperado. And then he went out in the frontier mountains.
They caught caught the guy and brought him back. And then

Speaker 3 he looked for this mystical

Speaker 2 treasure.

Speaker 3 But every once in a while, one of her brothers or somebody would send back a little bit of gold dust in the mail.

Speaker 3 So, my grandmother, when I was a little boy in this house, I'm sitting and would say, look at this. It's worth $32 an ounce.
Can you believe that, Victor? And it was like an eighth of an ounce.

Speaker 3 And remember, my point is, before Nixon got us off the gold standard, the price of gold was set by the government. And the currency, in theory, I think they stopped that in the 30s.

Speaker 3 And I know a lot of comments are going to correct me. But there was a time in America that anybody could take their dollars in to a bank and get gold in return at a silver.

Speaker 2 Silver certificates? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yes, you could do that. It was a redeemable.

Speaker 3 Printed money was not currency. It was a certificate for redemption.
It was just a way of not having to carry gold around. And there's a lot of people.

Speaker 3 I've talked to a lot of people, not nuts at all, who want to bring back the gold standard.

Speaker 2 I was just watching Treasure of the Sierra Madre the other night. The gold, of course, you know, the gold standard.
Badges?

Speaker 3 Thinking badges.

Speaker 2 Yeah. How did Grandma meet Grandpa and get herself from down New Mexico up to up to the stage?

Speaker 3 They lost everything. They lost everything because

Speaker 3 they had gone to find the murderer.

Speaker 3 Their main name was Johnston. They were a distant, distant, distant relative of the Confederate general Joe Johnston.

Speaker 3 And that was kind of a sticking point because my grandfather was a Welshman, maternal from Missouri.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 his grandmother, Lucy Anna Davis, they came from Missouri because they were northerners.

Speaker 3 And he fought on the northern side, but they lived in the southern part of Missouri. So after the war was over, there was a family

Speaker 3 saga that he was in a fight with someone, and he fled.

Speaker 3 They decided that southern Missouri was not safe for Yankees. So they fled to California in 1870.
They came out on the railroad, and then they looked around here, and they found an artesian pond.

Speaker 3 And you could buy land within, I think it was two miles of the Southern Pacific Railroad, which we're still two miles from, for $4.

Speaker 3 The government gave it to the railroad

Speaker 3 for development. And I had the certificate, they bought it for $4 an acre.
And they were given 20 years to improve it, and then the railroad would come back and examine. That was what caused the great

Speaker 3 riots about eight miles from me,

Speaker 3 the massacre that was written about

Speaker 3 in the octopus.

Speaker 2 When did that happen?

Speaker 3 That happened,

Speaker 3 the Muscle Slough tragedy, it's called. That happened in the early 9,

Speaker 3 I think it was either 1888 or 89.

Speaker 3 And it's about six, eight to miles. There's a monument.
And the railroad came in and basically told people who had bought land that they didn't improve it.

Speaker 3 And they said, we did improve it, and they did, but we couldn't improve it as much as you would like because you kept raising

Speaker 3 railroad

Speaker 3 cargo fees because it was a monopoly and they, you know, there was no way to get their grain or fruit. And so the railroad tried to take it and they had a shootout and they became folk heroes.

Speaker 3 It was in that period that

Speaker 3 we were, I think, one of the first families here.

Speaker 3 And they bought the land, and then she had three sons, my great-grandfathers, my great-uncles,

Speaker 3 Oren Schuyler and Cyrus. What names? He was named after Cyrus McCormick

Speaker 3 and the inventor of the threshing machine.

Speaker 3 And anyway, he stayed here, and then he had his father, his son was my grandfather, who was born here in 1890, Rhys Davis. They were all Welsh.

Speaker 3 And he had a little, they were very poor, and they dried apricots. And this family had moved in from New Mexico in about

Speaker 3 195 or 1906. My grandfather was about 15 or 16, and he met this young girl who had a family of 11 children.
They were dirt poor.

Speaker 3 And they waited till they were 21, and they got married. And then the next thing he knew, he told me his mother died of breast cancer, and his father kind of went crazy when that happened.

Speaker 3 So at 21, they had no money, and he had

Speaker 3 a brother and a sister. Anyway, he bought 120 acres.
He He had a mortgage his entire life. And then he married my grandmother, and their whole family moved in with him.

Speaker 2 She had to take care of the clan.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they had a barn here. It's made out of eucalyptus poles.

Speaker 3 Well, anyway, then my grandmother was very different. Her family had come from the south.
They lived in New Mexico, but they were from Alabama. And my grandfather was a very strong and

Speaker 3 Union person.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 anyway, my grandmother had kind of still, when I knew her, a slight southern accent,

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 there was always a little tension there. And all my parents, of course, were very strong Democrat, but they were very strong Unionist.

Speaker 3 And my grandmother wasn't, you know, she didn't refight the Civil War, but her family were cowboys. And her brother, when they moved here, he was 12 years old.
And what little cattle and horses?

Speaker 3 He was 12.

Speaker 3 Or maybe he was 13. He drove them from New Mexico, Magdalena, New Mexico, all the way over here himself.

Speaker 3 He's a kid. Can you imagine that? 13 over 1,000 miles.

Speaker 2 A parent would get arrested if their 12-year-old was out walking on a sidewalk nowadays. I knew him very well.

Speaker 3 He was born in 1900.

Speaker 3 He came much later.

Speaker 3 He was selling off their...

Speaker 3 their bankrupt little cattle ranch. And he came and

Speaker 3 they didn't have money to put use the she came on the train and then they went broke when they got here. They bought a house, they all went broke.

Speaker 3 The weird thing about it is that family was all very successful. The guy that I told you who moved here became very, very successful.
He was deaf, too.

Speaker 3 And he became, he figured out the most brilliant for a person who was completely broke.

Speaker 3 He got a concession from the the local sewer plant that put grey water, not sewage, onto alfalfa. He rented the alfalfa from a person.
She said, it's not level, it won't irrigate. What do I do?

Speaker 3 And he said, if you, she had 400 acres. He said, if you level the 400, you can have 200.
So he did it himself. And then he got the gray water.

Speaker 3 He said, I will charge you a nominal fee to put the gray water on my 200 level acres, and I'll grow alfalfa. And that would be in those days you could do that.
The alfalfa grew very quickly.

Speaker 3 And then he went every few months to Montana and we had this big cattle truck

Speaker 3 and he brought the cattle back, put them there and he deliberately picked that place because it was two miles from the feedlot so he would get a cattle drive for two miles.

Speaker 3 So he explained it when he was about a he died at 98. He explained it to me that he there was no way to lose money.

Speaker 3 People were paying him to fertilize his own alfalfa and then he got cheap cattle and he fattened them up very quickly and then he didn't have any transport costs.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 he was very right-wing, very right-wing, and he wore, he was 5'4, and he wore cowboy boots. And then he introduced me to my great-uncle.

Speaker 2 Was he the guy you brought booze to on Christmas?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 3 he came with his, I'll stop now, with his brother, who was Uncle Bill.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 he came from Magdalena, New Mexico, and he literally came, he was 5'5, 5'6,

Speaker 3 big cowboy boots and a hat, and he had a

Speaker 3 Smith Wesson on his holster with a little sheriff's star when I knew him. And he was visiting.
He was in his 60s or 70s. And he said,

Speaker 3 well, you know, I liked your dad. When he married my niece, you know what your dad told me? He got out of that darn B-29.
He came home.

Speaker 3 He said, said, you're the littlest man with the biggest gun I've ever met.

Speaker 3 So he wore a gun everywhere. So anyway, that was a pioneer family.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I imagine a man leveling 200 acres. That's just

Speaker 3 what they didn't. And, you know, he did it with a, he didn't do it with a D9 or a Massey.
He did it with a 9N

Speaker 3 tractor, or he had somebody do it. I don't know if he did it himself, but they had,

Speaker 3 you know, the 9N didn't even have overhead overhead vowels. I had a 9N.
It's just my

Speaker 2 opening Jubilee tractor.

Speaker 3 The Jubilee tractor was a beautiful invention.

Speaker 3 When I was a little kid, I used to disc

Speaker 3 with it.

Speaker 2 Now, Lambardini makes tractors.

Speaker 2 They do. That was at Clarkson's farm.
He was driving. No, I know they do.

Speaker 2 Lambardini, like, wow, aircraft.

Speaker 3 Italy makes beautiful farm equipment.

Speaker 2 Well, let's talk about Ukraine, Victor, as we are getting into foreign policy matters now. Headline today: President Vladimir Zelensky says he would step down if it would guarantee peace in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 This from the Daily Mail very quickly

Speaker 2 said on Sunday he was willing to step down if it meant peace for Ukraine, quipping that he could exchange his departure for Ukraine's entry into NATO.

Speaker 2 Nice jokes. Zelensky also said he wanted to see U.S.
President Donald Trump as a partner to Ukraine and more than

Speaker 2 simply a mediator between Kiev and Moscow. I really want it to be more than just mediation.
That's not enough, he told a press conference in Kiev. So, this is news coming out today.

Speaker 2 Victor, your thoughts about this or anything else related to Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, everybody, we've known you're all hearing about this huge controversy, and it started when Trump sent General Kellogg over, his special Ukrainian envoy, Marco Rubio,

Speaker 3 Waltz, his national security,

Speaker 3 and he said some things. And basically, Trump, I want to be very careful and characterize it.
He looked at this and he said, this thing has been going on. It'll be on the 22nd.

Speaker 3 And we're speaking today on the 23rd. Excuse me.
Tomorrow is the third anniversary on the 24th.

Speaker 3 And he said,

Speaker 3 he keeps saying millions and millions, but it's probably the aggregate Russian and Ukrainian dead, wounded, missing, captured, probably a million and a half.

Speaker 3 This is the worst disaster since Stalingrad. One-fourth, more than one-fourth.
12 million people have left Ukraine, and there's no end in sight.

Speaker 3 So he looks at this and he says, Trump is saying, well, when this whole thing started, and it didn't start on my watch,

Speaker 3 the Europeans said they were going to pour all this stuff in. And they didn't do what they said they did.
The United States under Biden gave enough money to save Ukraine, but not to win.

Speaker 3 And it's just a death thing. So I'm going to stop it.
And

Speaker 3 Zelensky then said he wanted to be in on talks. And everybody said, you can't talk to Putin.
And basically, J.D. Vance, and I'm paraphrasing.

Speaker 3 And Trump said, we talked to Stalin, we talked to Mao, we talked to everybody. How do you stop a war unless you talk to, even if it is a monster?

Speaker 3 So then Zelensky said, I want to be on this, and you're going to sell me out. And basically, they said, listen, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
You don't tell us what you're going to do.

Speaker 3 I know this is your country, but your country wouldn't exist if you count on your beloved European friends. They talk a great game, but they do not give you enough.
It came from us.

Speaker 3 And then Trump said some things. And he said, by the way, he's a dictator and he started it.
Well, that got everybody upset. because he didn't start the war.

Speaker 3 And I say that with all deference to Donald Trump, because Donald Trump knows he didn't. Because Donald Trump campaigned correctly by saying the following.

Speaker 3 That war would have never started if I were president, because Putin did not invade on my watch. He invaded in 2008 when he went into Ossatia and Georgia on George W.
Bush's watch.

Speaker 3 He went into Crimea and Donbass on Barack Obama's watch. He tried to take Kiev and more borderlands on Biden, but not mine.
So what did he mean by that?

Speaker 3 Well, I think what he meant was

Speaker 3 that there were periods that this thing could have been prevented and Ukraine acted in a way that might have precipitated.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I agree with that or not, but here's what he was trying to say very quickly. In 2014, there had been an elected pro-Russian, pro-Russian Yanakovich,

Speaker 3 and he was overthrown. He was unpopular, he was corrupt, but they all are.
And then a pro-EU, pro-NATO, pro-European, pro-American person.

Speaker 3 And the controversy lies with what did John McCain do when he flew over there? What did Victoria Newland, what did the Obama, did they encourage this coup? Because he abdicated.

Speaker 3 And at that point, you had a government in Ukraine that was pro-West.

Speaker 3 And Vladimir Putin warned that we lost Eastern Europe, but we're not going to put a former Soviet republic as a NATO-EU power right on our frontier. And they didn't believe him.

Speaker 3 And then he looked at the Obama administration and he said, wow, they are appeasing, appeasing, appeasing me.

Speaker 3 This, oh,

Speaker 3 we want reset, reset, reset, Hillary, reset, reset. And then the hot mic, tell Vladimir, Mr.
Medeved,

Speaker 3 tell Vladimir that if he'll just give me some

Speaker 3 space, i.e., don't invade until I get re-elected in 2012, I'll be flexible on missile fin, i.e., I will destroy missile defense and disband it. And they both kept their bargain.

Speaker 3 And then he invaded after Obama was elected, and Obama did nothing. Okay.

Speaker 3 Trump is angry about that. So

Speaker 3 then,

Speaker 3 after they invaded on the 24th, and Trump, by the way, had said, you know what, I meant, I didn't mean that. I know that Russia invaded.
He said that yesterday. But why did he call him a dictator?

Speaker 3 Well, everybody said,

Speaker 3 well, he hasn't held elections, but Churchill didn't for a decade from 1935 to 40. That's very disingenuous.

Speaker 3 1945, they had an election after the European theater was orbited while the Japanese theater. And Churchill lost that election.
But more importantly,

Speaker 3 in May, when he became

Speaker 3 Prime Minister of Britain, he brought in people he did not like.

Speaker 2 Right. It's a national government.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 And he brought people in that he did like, and he liked people that he brought people like Halifax, who was all over the place politically. And

Speaker 3 he brought loyalists like Anthony Eden, he bought Bevinen, he bought all sorts of people.

Speaker 3 And the point I'm making is he had a wartime Israeli-type coalition government.

Speaker 3 And he did not, he censored the news that he thought was pro-German, pro-German, but he did not hound his political opponents. Like Zelensky has suspended a lot of habeas corpus.

Speaker 3 He suspended opposition parties. He suspended opposition media.
He has canceled elections. And I don't think he's a dictator like Putin, but he is a soft dictator.

Speaker 3 Okay, so that's what that got everybody angry. And then the left said that Donald Trump is pro-Russian because he lied and said that Russia didn't invade.
Well,

Speaker 3 the other thing that he was very angry about is in March, just

Speaker 3 so this time three years ago, Zelensky's a hero because after 10 days or 12 days, that column we watched every day was blown apart. And Kiev was saved, and he had a little t-shirt on.

Speaker 3 He was an ex-comedian. He was going all over the world.
He was a rock star.

Speaker 3 And they said, the war is over. They lost.
This man said.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 it wasn't over.

Speaker 3 And then things started to happen. He kept making demands on the United States.
And we thought Europe was going to shoulder it. And Europe was not meeting their 2%, even though they'd been hectored.

Speaker 3 There were still nine or ten countries in NATO that would not invest 2% of their GDP. And then things started to get very weird.

Speaker 3 The Ukrainian ambassador in 2016 had written an op-ed during the election attacking Trump, candidate Trump. We all remember Alexander Vinman, the U.S.
dual citizen. He was a U.S.

Speaker 3 and Ukrainian citizen that was offered the Ministry of Defense. He engineered, he broke the rules and disclosed a classified private call between Zelensky and Trump, magnified it, got Mr.

Speaker 3 Saramella, the person who never heard the call, cooked it up with Adam Schiff and impeached Trump. If that wasn't enough,

Speaker 3 In September, right at the height of the campaign, Pennsylvania is a swing state.

Speaker 3 Joe Biden, who has now abdicated for Camilla Harris, tries to get her elected by flying in on a C-17,

Speaker 3 Mr. Voldemort

Speaker 3 Zelensky. And where does he go? He goes to old Joe Biden's hangout in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
And where does he go? He goes to a munitions plant. And with whom is he with?

Speaker 3 Josh Shapiro and the Democratic cadre. And what does he say? That these jobs are essential, i.e., be making shells.

Speaker 3 And the subtext is: if you vote for Trump, he'll cut off aid and you'll be out of a job. He was interfering in U.S.
elections. So he had no goodwill from Trump.

Speaker 3 Take a pause, and then we had a recent controversy.

Speaker 3 I'll be very quick. And

Speaker 3 I was in a car, and the editors at Free Press asked me to comment on it. So

Speaker 3 I stayed up till 12:30 that night and wrote the first draft. But

Speaker 2 this was this past week.

Speaker 3 J.D. Vance.
And so

Speaker 3 Neil

Speaker 3 Ferguson, my colleague, a good friend, a wonderful historian at the Hoover,

Speaker 3 he

Speaker 3 tweeted when Donald Trump said that Zelensky was a dictator and then wrongly said that

Speaker 3 he didn't say invade, he said that Zielensky started the war. And I explained why he said that.
I would go back just for a second. In March,

Speaker 3 two months after the salvation of the saving of Kiev, there was a peace agreement, three

Speaker 3 peace negotiation. And

Speaker 3 word leaked out that the Russians might have been willing to cut a deal on circumstances that today look pretty good.

Speaker 3 But at the time, Vizelensky thought he was going to Guinea NATO and they were going to get him out of Crimea and

Speaker 3 the Donbass, in which they had been there for,

Speaker 3 at that time,

Speaker 3 about eight years.

Speaker 3 And so Trump's view is, well, you started it because you could have ended it with a negotiation.

Speaker 3 I don't know if that's true or not, but my point is this is, then Neil Ferguson wrote, how dare Trump basically he said the following.

Speaker 3 We used to have an American president, George H.W. Bush, who when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, he said, this shall not stand.

Speaker 3 What will a Republicans say about a president that doesn't follow that example? I'm paraphrasing. And that got a furious response from J.D.
Vance.

Speaker 3 And he's called him

Speaker 3 a globalist and

Speaker 3 basically a bankrupt moralist. It's a very tough response, but he outlined five things that Trump and the administration wanted.
We do not want the United States in this mess.

Speaker 3 Number two, we have given them more money than Europeans. Number three, they don't have any plan how to stop this war.
Number four, the real enemy is China.

Speaker 3 Number five, we are draining our critical stocks of shells and weaponry to subsidize this. And we do have a say.

Speaker 3 And so then Donald Trump came back and said, after everybody was angry at him, he said, I want to get paid back for all this stuff.

Speaker 3 And you have rare minerals that are critical, lithium and other things, and we want a concession. And oh my God, he's an imperialist.
But everybody should remember what Trump was trying to do.

Speaker 3 He's trying to say, you're never going to, we know what Trump's position is and what J.D. Vansus is.
And that's what we all talked about.

Speaker 3 They are not going to be in NATO, but it wouldn't even matter if they were in NATO because NATO would never come to their rescue. And if they did want to come to their rescue, look at them.

Speaker 3 How many people does Britain have that are battle-ready, Jack?

Speaker 3 18,000?

Speaker 3 I think. 18,000 troops that is that it?

Speaker 2 Really? Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, they have about 180,000. I know, but that already?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, you can get like that. And how many tanks are

Speaker 3 there's fewer than 50 that are running in Germany? And I think Germany has about 10 F-35s. So even if they wanted to,

Speaker 3 they couldn't, and they don't want to. So what's holding

Speaker 3 Vladimir Putin from absorbing all of Ukraine are the heroism of the soldiers in the field that are Ukrainian and the average age is getting up close to 30 and they're worn out and U.S.

Speaker 3 munitions and intelligence and economic aid. I think we pay for the entire salaries of the Ukrainian administration.
Okay, so then Donald Trump is saying, we want this concessions to be paid back.

Speaker 3 And they said, how dare you do that?

Speaker 3 But they don't understand Trump. They don't understand any of this.
This is all art of the deal trolling. And what he's basically saying is,

Speaker 3 Mr. Zelensky, you are not master of your own fate.
Don't tell me what you are going to do and what you're not going to do. It's your country.
I'm not saying I'm going to get into your business.

Speaker 3 I'm just saying if you want me to get into your business, and apparently you do, then I'm going to have the say. If you don't want me to get in your business, fine.

Speaker 3 You go deal with the Germans and the Poles and the British and they're going to protect you.

Speaker 3 But don't play this game where you come and fly during an election year to an ammunitions plant and start lobbying against me and then tell me that you're disinterested. I'm not going to believe that.

Speaker 3 So if you want United States aid, you from now on are going to pay for it and we'll have a concession. But the real subtext was

Speaker 3 Zelensky thought about that. Ah, this is horrible.
And then he thought about it.

Speaker 3 And obviously,

Speaker 3 he said, Mr. People came to him and they must have said, hey, Zelensky, you understand what he's really saying?

Speaker 3 He's not going to send U.S. troops over there.
And if the British sent troops and the French, that wouldn't be any good any. But he's going to put a lot of American businesses and investment there.

Speaker 3 And so if Putin were to try to break whatever negotiation we have and try to overrun, he's going to be dealing with American investment money, corporations, employees, infrastructure.

Speaker 3 And that will bring the United States. into conflict with Putin.
In other words, we're trying to sort of kind of have an investment in Ukraine to get back the money, but also to tell Putin,

Speaker 3 this is a nation that's going to open up investment to Western concerns. So don't go in again.
So then in this rigamorau,

Speaker 3 Neil said that it was like the Gulf War. J.D.
correctly, I think, and this is no criticism of Neil, that that was not a historical,

Speaker 3 good historical count. I pointed out that this is exactly like, in my response to both of them, exactly like the 1939 Winter War.
In November, Hitler had made a deal with the Soviet Union.

Speaker 3 The United States was isolationist. France and Britain were terrified over the loss of Poland.
They knew they were going to be invaded soon, and they were invaded. And Stalin said, you know what?

Speaker 3 Germany's on our side. There's no other opposition.
We're going to go take what we want from Finland, our neighbor. So they went to General Mannerheim and said, we want 10%,

Speaker 3 just like Putin. Oh, no, no, you can't.
Okay, we're going to invade. And they invaded.
And that was the worst, like Putin they had at Kiev. They had no idea about the medal of the Finns.

Speaker 3 They're some of the bravest, most courageous people in the world. And all of November, December, January, February, they killed, wounded, or captured 400,000 soldiers.

Speaker 3 The Finns were on skis, they had sharpshooters, they were dressed in white during the snow, they understood the terrain, the weather, and the Russians were just bled white.

Speaker 3 And then finally Stalin said, grind them down. They poured in artillery, they poured in tanks, they poured in another million people.

Speaker 3 And all of a sudden, this poor little country of two and a half million was overrun. So then what did they do? They were in the same position as

Speaker 3 Mannerheim went to Stalin and said, Look,

Speaker 3 we'll give you the 10%.

Speaker 3 But if you try to take the whole country, we'll fight to the death. And Stalin said, well, that's what I only wanted to steal 10%.

Speaker 3 And what happened after that?

Speaker 3 Mannerheim was very careful in World War II. He helped the Germans, but he never invaded the Soviet Union.
He promised he would never join Germany.

Speaker 3 And even though the Germans begged him at the siege of Leningrad, please, you've got a half a million of the best fighters in the world.

Speaker 3 You could break the siege of Leningrad if you would just set foot on Soviet territory and stop the supply.

Speaker 3 And Mannerheim said, Nope, I will help you any way I can, but I'm not going to invade the Soviet Union. And when they lost, Stalin went over to Finland and said,

Speaker 3 I'm going to let you go. You're not going to join the West.
You're going to be like Austria. No West, no Soviet.
And it kept their freedom for 85 years.

Speaker 3 So that's a good model for Ukraine. They're not going to get the Crimea back, and they are not going to get the Donbass.
And that has not been the policy of Mr.

Speaker 3 Obama, Mr. Trump, or Mr.
Biden to get it back militarily. Nobody believes they can't.
They're not going to joke.

Speaker 3 And another argument that Neil Ferguson made was, we're giving back, you're playing poker and you're giving away all of your leverage.

Speaker 3 You say you're not going to get back Donbass and you're not going to get Crimea and you're not going to put it. Well, don't tell Putin that, because now you're giving away the negotiation.

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no. If you're playing poker and you're bluffing and you're going like this,

Speaker 2 Well, I've got a really good hand.

Speaker 3 They know you're bluffing. They know that Europe doesn't want a Monado because they don't want to go have to rescue them by statute.
We don't want them in NATO. Russia doesn't want a Monado.

Speaker 3 And I don't think Ukraine wants a Monado. deep down inside.
And more importantly, nobody believes they have the military ability to take back Crimea and take back Donbass.

Speaker 3 And nobody wants to give them that, you know, a half, I don't know how many billions it would be, a half a trillion dollars in equipment to try and another 300,000 dead to try to take those things.

Speaker 3 But,

Speaker 3 and here's what I think J.D. Vance and Neil Ferguson and Donald Trump would all agree on.
They can cut a deal. They can go to Putin and say,

Speaker 3 okay, you get to go tell the Russians that you institutionalized the occupation, the theft of Crimea and Donbass. You can tell them that you caused dissension in NATO and you stopped Ukraine from

Speaker 3 being in NATO and that was worth,

Speaker 3 it's a disaster for Russia. And then you got the sanctions lifted and Russia now is going to be part of the G7.
It's going to go back to the normal.

Speaker 3 And then Ukraines can say we saved our country and we pushed.

Speaker 3 We pushed them back to where they were on February 24th. And that would mean that Putin would have to withdraw 30 or 40 miles.
They would make a South North Korea type DMZ. And that's the negotiation.

Speaker 3 And I think that Trump can, if he pulled that off,

Speaker 3 and to pull that off, he's saying some crazy things, but like everything he says, whether it's Gaza or Panama.

Speaker 3 You know, I had a talk with some people this weekend, and somebody came up to me and said,

Speaker 3 I won't mention the person, but

Speaker 3 not a friend, and a couple people wrote me

Speaker 3 really nasty things. Oh,

Speaker 3 you're a Trump sellout, oh, you're an appeaser, shame on you, you've ruined your reputation for suggesting there should be a negotiation.

Speaker 3 We need to give him a lot more, we can give him a trillion to all this crap. We should have American troops and all this stuff stupid thing.
We should put him on the nuclear. No, no, no.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 the fact is, there can be a negotiated settlement. It'll stop the killing.
And Ukraine will have its country. It it can get its refugees back, you'll get Western investment.
And

Speaker 3 it isn't, it's the best armed country in NATO right now, other than us, and it's got the most experienced fighters, and Putin knows that. So, all we have to do is have a DMZ,

Speaker 3 U.S. Western investment in Ukraine, get back its population, rebuild the country, and keep that army at the same size it is now and beef up NATO, and Putin will not go in again.
And so

Speaker 3 that's what we're talking about. Donald Trump, just one last thing, Jack, is that they don't understand what he says.
It's, I don't know what the word is, trolling,

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 he wasn't going to invade Panama, but he did stop that awful agreement in which China was going to have a concession and has a lot of extra legal influence on our Panama Canal that we gave.

Speaker 3 And we had a treaty that no foreign power should observe our primacy vis-a-vis the Panamanians.

Speaker 3 Their foreign nation's closest relationship has to be us.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 they got out of that deal. He's not going to

Speaker 3 make Canada a 51st state. What he's angry about is they had an open border, and all of a sudden, Trudeau is spending a billion dollars and putting thousands of people to patrol the border.

Speaker 3 And more important, he's looking now like, uh-oh,

Speaker 3 they caught me with that $50 billion surplus and this asymmetrical tariffs.

Speaker 3 He wasn't going to attack Greenland or force Denmark, but he did want a concession that China and Russia are extracting key concessions in the Arctic Circle. Greenland is a North American territory.

Speaker 3 We've had a long history with it in World War II. It's a vital piece of real estate.
The Danish have agreed now to give a billion dollars in development for Greenland as colonial powers.

Speaker 3 And more importantly, the Danes now says they're going to arm up to 3 or 4% of GDP.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that's all he wanted. That's all he wanted.
So Panama, Canada, Ukraine, there's a pattern there.

Speaker 3 He tries to confuse, rattle, cause controversy, get people thinking. Same thing with the Gaza thing.
And then once it all settles down,

Speaker 3 things happen.

Speaker 3 And I think there's a 50-50 chance that you'll get a negotiated settlement.

Speaker 2 Well, let me, Victor, tell people again that you wrote about this J.D. Vance Neil Ferguson piece for the free press.
You can check that out. And it's available, not behind a paywall.

Speaker 2 The title of the piece is

Speaker 2 Can Trump Troll His Way to a Peace Deal in Ukraine? So that's one thing.

Speaker 2 We're coming to a home stretch here because we have another topic or two to talk about. Second order business, I think, is just an obvious comment.

Speaker 2 None of this would have happened had Biden's calamitous withdrawal from Afghanistan happened.

Speaker 5 He destroyed the terms.

Speaker 3 So how did Biden, everybody,

Speaker 3 when Donald Trump said that they had not invaded on his watch,

Speaker 3 and he said that many times,

Speaker 3 He reportedly told

Speaker 3 Vladimir Putin, the following will happen if you invade Ukraine.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 3 Putin reportedly said, you wouldn't really do that. And he said, yes, I would.

Speaker 3 But the point is, how did Biden destroy deterrence? Number one, as Jack just pointed out, in August of 2021, he just skedaddled from Afghanistan. He left 13 Marines to die.

Speaker 3 He left contractors there. He left a billion-dollar brand new embassy, a $300 million retrofitted

Speaker 3 Valgram air base, and I don't know how many. The military said, oh, it wasn't $50 billion, it was just $7 or $8 or $10 billion in equipment.

Speaker 3 But a military, but if you look at all the equipment, the vehicles, it was much more than that. And then

Speaker 3 when they kept trying to use cyber warfare against our institutions, remember Obama had said, cut it out, Vladimir. That was really effective, wasn't it?

Speaker 3 And then Biden said, if you're going to do this, Vladimir, don't hit our hospitals or schools. Take them off your target list.

Speaker 3 And then right before the invasion, Jack, remember they asked Biden, what will you do? Because

Speaker 3 after Afghanistan, Putin is massing on the border of Belarus and Ukraine. And he said, it depends on whether it's a major invasion or not.
That's what he said.

Speaker 3 And then the first week, when the caravan of troops, that long column of Russian armor, was trying to take Kiev, what did Biden do? He called up Lazynski and says, you want to ride out?

Speaker 3 I can evacuate you. Otherwise, just give up your country.
So he appeased Putin. And Donald Trump has a right to be angry because not only did Ukraine, I won't even get into Mr.

Speaker 3 Vinman and the impeachment, and I mentioned the op-ed, but

Speaker 3 they created a narrative that Biden was tough on Putin, Obama was tough. Both of them appeased Putin.
And Biden, we just explained, that hot mic with Obama, the reset.

Speaker 3 Donald Trump killed 200 to 300 of the Wagner group. That's tricky to do.
Russian and Syria. He really did.

Speaker 3 He destroyed ISIS. He killed Soleimani.
He killed Baghdadi. He almost bankrupt Iran.
He got us out of a missile deal with Russia. He sold offensive weapons to Ukraine.

Speaker 3 Not Obama, not Biden initially. Biden put a hold on them.
He sent them javelins, artillery, everything.

Speaker 3 And they didn't. And so his way of thinking is, I I was the one that was tough on Putin.

Speaker 3 You guys appeased him, and yet your left-wing press makes me into a puppet and an asset of Putin, and yet everything you threw at me was a lie. Russian collusion was a lie.

Speaker 3 Russian disinformation laptop was a lie.

Speaker 3 And the worst thing you can do with an enemy like Putin is to A, be weak and appease him, and then smear him and say that he did all these things that he didn't do and then call him a killer.

Speaker 3 He is a killer, but if you insult him like Biden did and call him all these names and you're weak, that's much better to praise him and then get tough with him. And that's what Trump does.

Speaker 3 Just like he did with Kim Jong-un.

Speaker 3 It doesn't mean he likes him, it doesn't mean he really praises him. He just says, you know what?

Speaker 3 I'm going to let you back in the G12 and you'll try to get back your country and be a normal country again. And then privately, he says, do not blank-blank with us.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 As opposed to Biden saying he don't.

Speaker 3 He talks softly and he carries a big stick. And Biden is a loud blowhard with a twig.
That's the difference.

Speaker 2 Well, Victor, we've gone long, but no, too long. No, but that's a look, people want to hear you.
While you were talking, I was checking to see any news on the Pope.

Speaker 2 But news came out about the German elections. So we can maybe talk about that.
And it's a big day for conservatives in Germany.

Speaker 2 Or we can talk about Cash Patel. We'll get to this when we come back from these final important messages.

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Speaker 2 Olaf Schultz, however he says his name, concedes defeat as Germany's Conservative Party storms country's election with far-right AFD coming in close.

Speaker 2 Second, the exit polls, and this is we're again recording on Sunday the 23rd, and the elections results are just coming in exit poll suggests the conservative CDU has topped today's ballot securing 28.5 percent of the vote while the AFD has taken 20 percent which is the strongest showing for a quote-unquote far-right party in Germany's post-war effort the governing center-left SPD has slumped to third place in what looks

Speaker 2 set to be a disastrous result for Chancellor Olaf Schulz's party and the party already describing the result as a historic defeat. Victor, there's that and thoughts on Kash Patel.

Speaker 2 We can maybe put one off if you want, but any quick thoughts on these German election results? I know I'm speaking very quickly.

Speaker 3 Quickly,

Speaker 3 everybody knew this was going to happen because

Speaker 3 the center left has ruined Germany.

Speaker 3 And by that I mean in every aspect.

Speaker 3 They dismantled their nuclear and coal plants. They pay four times more for electricity than we do.

Speaker 3 They suppressed free speech. 60 Minutes was trying to praise what they're doing, but they raid people's homes, if you object to the orthodoxy in Germany.

Speaker 3 They let in 16% of the German population is foreign-born. They let in over a million illegal aliens from the Middle East.
They get almost a terrorist incident. I shouldn't say incident.

Speaker 3 Assault, killing, rape, daily. Rape, assault, and then killings often, mass killings.
So they don't, and that's driving people crazy.

Speaker 3 They've deindustrialized, so their car companies, because of EV mandates coupled with the price of electricity, coupled with the United States is getting very angry at their asymmetrical tariffs.

Speaker 3 They haven't had no GDP growth to speak of for two years. This used to be the engine of Europe.
So people are much poorer. They can't afford to keep warm in winter or cool in summer.

Speaker 3 They can't afford the price of gas.

Speaker 3 They're scared of immigrants that prey on them. And they're not allowed to object.
And J.D.

Speaker 3 Vance comes over there and says, you've got a big problem for those reasons, but more importantly, you want us to be your partner and to subsidize your defense and to subsidize your economy by letting you have these asymmetrical tariffs and run up 80, 90 some years, 70, 80, 90 billion.

Speaker 3 We're not going to do it anymore because you're not a free Western country. And they went nuts.
And

Speaker 3 he was speaking, as I said at the time, Jack, he was not speaking to MAGA, as they accused him of. He was not speaking to that audience.
He was speaking to the silent majority of Germany.

Speaker 3 And almost half of them, I guess, supposedly voted for one of two conservative parties. They say far right, far right, far right.
I know that every

Speaker 3 party has extremists. There's probably some neo-Nazi, but that alternative for Germany is run by a lesbian woman who has a non-German born girlfriend, wife, or whatever.

Speaker 3 She doesn't fit the portrait of a far-right.

Speaker 3 What they call far-right is closed borders, you have to come legally,

Speaker 3 we're going to frack, and we're going to,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 we're going to develop our own natural resources and we're going to have nuclear power, etc., and we're going to have free speech. That's far right in Germany.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 we'll get more details on the election results as the week spills out. And then, you know, Victor and the great Sammy Wink may be talking about it when they record their two podcasts later this week.

Speaker 2 So, Victor, let's cross the finish line today with your thoughts on Kosh Patel.

Speaker 2 I know you talked a little about that he was confirmed by the Senate, and surprisingly, Mitch McConnell cast a vote for him. But

Speaker 2 on his first day as head of the FBI, he ordered 1,500 FBI agents and staff out of the building, sending,

Speaker 2 I'm looking here from Red State.

Speaker 2 Some 1,000 agents and staff will be reassigned to cities the Trump administration has designated higher crime locations where they can fight crime rather than engage in political shenanigans.

Speaker 2 Another 500 staff will be reassigned to Huntsville, Alabama, which is the DC equivalent of exile to Siberia. That's what this article says.

Speaker 2 And the other thing about Kash Patel, we get your thoughts on, Victor, is

Speaker 2 he did respond to Elon Musk's Doge's order, or I guess their suggestions, because if they're order, they have to be followed. But no, the employees of the FBI do not have to

Speaker 2 offer a once-a-week

Speaker 2 memo on here are five things, a bullet point of here are five things I've done. He said, Pay no attention to that.
I'm the boss here. So, anyway, Mikash Patel, who has been a guest on this podcast?

Speaker 2 Your thoughts on his initial actions as

Speaker 3 well. What he's doing is very smart.
What he's basically doing to the rank and file, he's saying,

Speaker 3 you don't have to do anything but what I tell you, and I'm going to protect your back. So, you don't have to, whether it's smart or not, doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 I think the Elon Musk and Donald Trump will allow him to tell the employees you don't have to say what you're doing because he wants to create

Speaker 3 a positive climate. And that's very hard to do when you've had a politicized FBI that puts informants on January 6th or goes after parents at school boards or goes after anti-abortion people

Speaker 3 or

Speaker 3 takes a laptop and hides it for a year while it's Intelligence Brotherhood lies to the country.

Speaker 3 I could go on or is behind Russian Russian collusion or pays Christopher Steele money

Speaker 3 to interfere with an election. Well, that's what they were doing.
James Comey, Andrew, and then

Speaker 3 what Cash is saying is

Speaker 3 we're not going to have a guy like Robert Mueller around anymore who says he doesn't know what the Steele dossier is under oath.

Speaker 3 We're not going to have a guy like Comey who feigns amnesia 245 times under oath. We're not going to have a guy like Andrew McCabe who lies under oath four times to federal exec.

Speaker 3 We're not going to have a guy like Christopher Wray that just won't answer a question.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 that's going to be good, but to do that, he has to get rid of dispersed people.

Speaker 3 And he's going through the ranks and he's trying to find out who gave the order to go after parents at the school board, who were the people who carried out the Mar-Lago raid and dreamed that way up.

Speaker 3 By the way, there were 14,000 documents taken from Mar-Lago. We were told by the FBI they were classified.
102 were.007.

Speaker 3 And they brought props in to put around

Speaker 3 top secret, secret, to place next to these documents. It was all

Speaker 3 scripted and choreographed. So he's trying to,

Speaker 3 yes, he's trying to get rid of the people who have destroyed the reputation. You look at polls,

Speaker 3 less than half the people have confidence in it, and make it a professional group.

Speaker 3 And if you're an FBI person and you join the agency to fight crime, then it it wouldn't be, it shouldn't be considered Siberia to go to Huntsville or go to the United States.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Cokelin is waiting for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's what you're there for. And that's what he's trying to say.

Speaker 3 But you're not there to go to Washington and have your wife work for a Democratic operative or run for office or to be a lobbyist or to hang out at cocktail parties in Georgetown with Comey and

Speaker 3 Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. And just get back to that famous iconic quote when Peter Strzok says to Lisa Page, don't worry, Andrew says that Andy says that Trump will not be elected.

Speaker 3 Or that Peter Strzok says, I went to a Walmart and I could smell them when I got there.

Speaker 3 So that's the kind of people there are. When you have a subpoena for FBI listening devices, excuse me, communication, and all of a sudden, I don't know where they are.
They disappeared.

Speaker 3 Or when Kevin Kleinsmith gets a document and he has to forge it, and

Speaker 3 an FBI lawyer commits a felony and then he gets a little slap on the wrist by his friends in the DOJ. That's what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 Well, as you've pointed out, Victor, this is restoration. It's not retribution.

Speaker 3 No, it's a counter-revolution. It's trying to not.
It's not a revolution. It's trying to bring things back to normality and common sense where they were 10 or 15 years ago.

Speaker 3 That's all they're trying to do. And the left is screaming because they know what they've done and they're afraid of being exposed.

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Speaker 2 did that. He just wrote me and said, Jack, I want to thank you for Civil Thoughts.
Great reads. Of course, I started with civil thoughts through your co-hosting of the Victor Davis Hansen Show.

Speaker 2 The dialogue between you and Victor reminds me of the

Speaker 2 conversations my father, who was an English teacher, would have with the small minority fellow conservative teachers. Those were filled with so many teachable moments for me growing up in the 1970s.

Speaker 2 Those conversations shaped my conservative mindset that continues today. Wish you and BDH good health and happiness.
All right, Mike again. Yeah.
Thank you, Mike.

Speaker 2 And thanks, everyone else, again, who takes the time to write comments. We read them, even the ones that say foul is shut down.

Speaker 3 I got a lot about Donald Trump saying that

Speaker 3 Ukraine started the war, but I don't think he meant that, and he's corrected that.

Speaker 2 Well, again, you've been terrific, Victor. We'll be back soon, ladies and gentlemen, with another episode of the Victor Davis Hanson Show.
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