Trump Assassination Attempt Aftermath with Bill O’Reilly

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Speaker 4 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the weekly show.

Speaker 4 Today's episode, of course, with our fabulous producers Brittany Mamedovic and Lauren Walker.

Speaker 4 What a shitty week ain't that the truth in America unbelievable

Speaker 4 that feeling of fear and and disorientation and you feel it in your soul in your bones in your nerves in your skin that sense of dread and fear and doom and how how did you guys experience

Speaker 4 this the attempted assassination. Were you watching TV when it happened? Were you somewhere else?

Speaker 7 what what happened um I was at a pool party

Speaker 4 well first of all let's get into

Speaker 7 you you were at a pool party beforehand yes I was at a pool party fair enough and well Barbara something that really struck me was I saw the news and you know objectively it's shocking and it's like world changing yeah but my my inside wasn't reacting that way and all i could think was is this like the desensitization of like the january 6th of it all or the mass shooting every day of it all?

Speaker 4 Oh, that's so interesting. Like, did you, did you feel like, because you know what it's like when you live in New York City and you see something stark with poverty, right?

Speaker 4 When you first go there and you'll see a person clearly struggling in distress and on the street and your first instinct is like, holy

Speaker 4 is anybody seeing this? And then you live there for three weeks and you're like,

Speaker 4 and you just walk past it. Do you think it's that kind of mechanism?

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was my first thought is, wow, we are in a slow boil because this is not shocking my system right now.

Speaker 4 Did that change as you

Speaker 4 reflected on it, as you talked to people, as you?

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah. Like, I think as I started sitting with all of the ramifications

Speaker 7 of such a big event, such like a leader of our country, you know, like it's huge. And yet my system was not reacting.
And yeah, that was my takeaway.

Speaker 4 And it was, and it was numbing. Brittany

Speaker 6 um I I had slightly the opposite reaction I immediately

Speaker 6 yeah and I immediately jumped into like logistic mode of like wait how how does this happen like how could this be like and I just was refreshing to try and like I feel like I became a detective and like obsessed with the maps and how that's where I was yeah yeah it just like and I was actually texting Jillian who who works with us just being like have you seen this have Have you seen this?

Speaker 6 And I just kept circling. Honestly, I spiraled.

Speaker 4 Did the idea of it

Speaker 4 shock you? Like, I think the part for me that was so shocking is you just figure, well, it's Donald Trump. It's the Secret Service.
It's all that. Like, it's the most protected zone that can be.

Speaker 6 Yes. He is surrounded by good guys with guns.
And that was the other place like my head immediately went. I'm like, if he can't be protected by guns,

Speaker 6 how could, like, how am I supposed to feel safe?

Speaker 6 And it just, then my head went into like the gun regulation conversation. And I just, yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I was just thinking about all the people who, especially in recent years, have been, have borne the brunt of this threatening language, the death threats, the, and oh God, the poll.

Speaker 5 Imagine being a poll worker.

Speaker 7 And, and they're not going to be protected. No.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 This could have been, it was a trap. I felt so bad.
I don't know if you saw the, the one gentleman who lost his life, a fire chief named Corey, I think, comparator, and his family.

Speaker 4 You just, you just feel so awful for them. But then you also feel like, boy, this could have been so much worse.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 just so much worse. And, and, but damn.
You guys feeling a little more grounded now as time has passed a little little bit?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think there's new wonders awaiting us.

Speaker 4 Lauren, when's the next pool party?

Speaker 7 Not soon enough. All right.

Speaker 4 Everybody loves a pool party. All right, let me go.
We'll talk to Mr. O'Reilly, and then we'll come back.

Speaker 4 All right, folks. We are joined once again by Mr.
Bill O'Reilly.

Speaker 4 We had a discussion last night on the Daily Show about rhetoric, about the tenor of rhetoric, the temperature of rhetoric, how this country can move past this divisive moment.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 we settled on, if I may, Bill, and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth,

Speaker 4 just how poorly thought out your position had been. And you acknowledged it.

Speaker 4 You felt terrible, which I understand.

Speaker 4 And then we moved on. And I thought that was a real, I thought we gave a lesson to the country in how, you know.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the only drawback of the chat was that you were on LSD, which is now

Speaker 5 manifesting.

Speaker 4 Is that the last drug that you heard of in the 60s?

Speaker 5 No, I'm not really in the drug market other than Advil, which I took right before I came on this podcast.

Speaker 5 But anyway, your encapsulation,

Speaker 5 you know, when you're taking psychedelics, that happens. All right.

Speaker 5 But the main point that I think we both agree on is that you can have robust political debate without trying to destroy, and I mean that literally,

Speaker 5 the person you disagree with. I mean, and

Speaker 5 the problem is in America, a lot of people make a lot of money doing that. Sure.
And the corporation

Speaker 5 is behind that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, corporate, I mean, look, the algorithms are different. The internet is there.
And I think you found in that event, the terrible assassination attempt,

Speaker 4 you saw that people didn't turn anymore, even to the news media, to the 24 hours. They're really glued to Twitter.
They're really glued to social media to find out. And that's the Wild West.

Speaker 4 I mean, the information that is coming out of there is unvetted. I don't know if you saw, there was a time

Speaker 4 a little bit after the incident had occurred where I was convinced that the shooter was this. It was

Speaker 4 a gentleman wearing a gray cap with dark eyes. And all these posts kept coming up that this was the shooter.
Well, it turned out it was spam. It was

Speaker 4 an Italian football commentator. And for a half hour, an hour,

Speaker 4 that's just out there as this is the shooter. I mean, it was wild.

Speaker 5 You know, I don't live in that world. I very rarely go to the social media sites for anything.
I'm a very traditional, old school sure.

Speaker 4 You just, you have your MySpace page and your friendly account, and you just

Speaker 5 understand traditional, old-school, elderly man. That's me.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Unlike the president, though, I have complete control over my faculties.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 when I see...

Speaker 4 Oh, you were talking about Biden.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Good slide.
When I see

Speaker 5 and I get this mail, too. So I got a letter this morning about now the Secret Service wanted this to happen.
Okay.

Speaker 5 And it was a conspiratorial stuff. Right.
False flag. They set

Speaker 5 Trump up for the shot. The Secret Service did.

Speaker 5 Now, I replied to the man.

Speaker 4 Wait, someone sent you a direct, someone you know sent you.

Speaker 5 No, no, no, no. This is

Speaker 5 a viewer mail. We get thousands of

Speaker 5 all over the world.

Speaker 5 Okay. Okay.
Okay. So I sent this guy back.

Speaker 5 I said, look, i did four shows with donald trump the history tour all right big arena shows and they were produced by my production company it was like the rumble in the air condition auditorium with you and me 12 years ago and i had a deal with the secret service on because i'm the head of the production company i'm going to tell you those people are deadly serious in what they do and would never buy into any kind of conspiracy at all.

Speaker 5 What happened there, and what is the main point of all this, is that the leadership of the Secret Service is incompetent and they're all going to be fired. It's just a matter of when.
All right.

Speaker 5 The director, Kimberly

Speaker 5 Cheadle, and then the people who set up the perimeter that allowed a clear shot into the platform, they're all going to be demoted.

Speaker 4 Is there any? Do you have any qualms as you think about this about the idea that a 20-year-old kid, clearly

Speaker 4 having mental issues, was able to walk around with an AR-15. I mean, until he set up and pulled that trigger, he wasn't doing anything illegal.

Speaker 4 Do you have, does this at least give you pause about the kind of weapons that

Speaker 4 American citizens without any real

Speaker 4 oversight are allowed to walk around with that can take out somebody from 150 yards away and can do it with somebody who's apparently a terrible shot.

Speaker 5 The answer to your question is yes. Do I have qualms about it? Yes.

Speaker 4 Would I slap?

Speaker 5 Bill O'Reilly wants gun Bill O'Reilly.

Speaker 5 Take care of guns. It's not about a gun control.
It's a matter of public safety. All right.

Speaker 5 So each state, according to our Constitution, has the right to regulate what laws it wants to make about guns. Now, the left, your folks.

Speaker 5 No, no, the Supreme Court, Washington, D.C.

Speaker 4 had a law that you couldn't bring in.

Speaker 5 And every gun got struck down. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So you're not allowed to, state by state, make your laws.

Speaker 5 No, you are.

Speaker 5 I mean, you couldn't ban them.

Speaker 5 All right, let me give you a civics lesson. Every state and every district can make its own laws, but if the Supreme Court deems those laws unconstitutional, they get to the right.

Speaker 5 Well, well, ain't that the rub?

Speaker 4 Ain't that the rub? Okay.

Speaker 5 The left wants the laws about guns to be made from Washington, one central law for the whole country.

Speaker 5 The right does not want that, claiming there are different circumstances in New York City than there are in Casper, Wyoming. And you don't have that.
Now, for me,

Speaker 4 I think that's a very broad generalization, Bill, that doesn't quite tax. So here's what I would say.
Let's use the immigration argument, right?

Speaker 4 So Republicans are very concerned that we have open borders. Well, in New York City, we're concerned that Florida's open borders are allowing what's called the iron pipeline.

Speaker 4 They're allowing guns that aren't being traced and are illegal to flow into New York City.

Speaker 4 I don't think what people who are concerned about guns are saying is the federal government has to do it and everything's equal.

Speaker 4 I think what they're saying is, give us the tools to not allow this chaos in our streets

Speaker 4 and help us.

Speaker 4 That's all they're saying.

Speaker 5 I have a fairly good solution to the gun crime problem

Speaker 5 in the United States. Would you like to hear it?

Speaker 4 I would like to hear it.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 5 Number one, every state should have very stringent regulations on military-style weaponry, like the ARs. Every state.
So in order to get that, you have to prove. So

Speaker 4 you're voting for Joe Biden and the Democrats this cycle because of how intensely you feel. Because they had that in place, and I believe it got

Speaker 5 repealed.

Speaker 5 Wasn't that simple?

Speaker 4 Okay. It's never that simple, is it?

Speaker 5 Every state,

Speaker 5 state steward

Speaker 5 should require that the person seeking the military-style rifle justify it, and then the state makes a decision.

Speaker 4 Justify it with like an essay?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 5 dear Maryland. It could maybe be, it could be maybe multiple chores.
Are you dear Maryland?

Speaker 4 I am surrounded by angry deer.

Speaker 4 And if I don't have an AR and an and

Speaker 4 I'm sorry, I've been corrected by my staff. The assault weapons ban didn't

Speaker 4 wasn't repealed. It expired.
Okay.

Speaker 5 I just want everybody watching worldwide. I want the people in Kazakhstan to know that Stewart doesn't want to hear the solution to the gun.

Speaker 4 I do want to hear the solution.

Speaker 5 Bring it. Bring it.
And button it. Every state has

Speaker 5 a

Speaker 5 very stringent process in which to get an AR, number one. Number two, all gun crimes, all crimes committed with a firearm of any kind immediately become federal crimes.

Speaker 5 That's because in New York City, you can commit a gun crime and not even be held on bail. Okay?

Speaker 5 That's insane. So it becomes a federal.

Speaker 4 I was under the impression that a gun crime,

Speaker 4 that they could still do danger to the community, no? Or is that

Speaker 5 you're even not allowed to hold them on bail? No, of course.

Speaker 4 Can't you do danger to the community?

Speaker 5 But in New York, the no-bail law, you can be carrying a firearm and have a felony on your record and they'll let you go. You'll be prosecuted down the road.

Speaker 4 They can let you go or they must let you go.

Speaker 4 They can,

Speaker 4 but that's not required.

Speaker 5 They can hold you in terms of if they discuss discretion. Judges' discretion.
You know what it is in Manhattan. Okay.

Speaker 5 So all gun crimes are federal crimes.

Speaker 5 So you go into a bodega with a gun. That's not a local crime anymore.
That's federal court. Okay.
Then there are mandatory prison sentences upon conviction. So

Speaker 5 first conviction, crime of the gun, five.

Speaker 5 Second conviction, 10.

Speaker 5 Okay?

Speaker 5 That way, the few.

Speaker 4 You're tightening the penalties and you're tightening the restrictions.

Speaker 5 Absolutely.

Speaker 5 And you're not going to solve the whole gun crime.

Speaker 5 Of course. The nut in Pennsylvania will still get the AR because the black market for those guns is not going to cease.
It's just like the black market for narcotics.

Speaker 5 But society is doing its best. to protect people.

Speaker 5 And there you have it, Stuart.

Speaker 4 And And that solves it. Well, let me poke a few little things in there.

Speaker 4 It is, in fact, your side that would make it impossible to make those stricter regulations. Those have been tried.

Speaker 4 I mean, after Sandy Hook, people tried desperately to enact some of those policies, and there was only one side that was fighting it. And that was the Republicans.

Speaker 4 They've made it more difficult to track these weapons. They've made it impossible to sue gun dealerships that are known to be selling them to traffickers and bringing them up.

Speaker 4 You know, we talk about the violence south of the border in Mexico. Most of those guns come from America.

Speaker 4 So this gun problem that you've very, I think, helpfully for America set out some of those things. They've neutered

Speaker 4 the agencies federally. There can be no registration.
Why is it that that is so resisted by the right?

Speaker 5 Okay. Number one, I don't have a side.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 5 I'm not a Republican. I don't have a side.
I'm not an NRA member.

Speaker 4 I don't see color.

Speaker 5 None of that. I don't have sides.
I'm a free thinker.

Speaker 4 I'm a little bit slob. And

Speaker 5 I don't know what you're doing.

Speaker 4 I don't listen to music.

Speaker 5 No, I sit in a room, no music, solving problems, solving problems, trying to convince people like you to listen to me. That's my life.
As sad as it is. It's sad.

Speaker 5 You are absolutely right that conservative gun people

Speaker 5 don't want any restrictions because they're selfish. They want to have 80 guns in the basement to kill squirrels.

Speaker 5 I wouldn't kill a squirrel anyway, but I think you don't need a machine gun to do that. Okay.

Speaker 5 So that's not my side. What I'm appealing to is the majority of Americans who are going to...

Speaker 4 Overwhelming, overwhelming majority of Americans to not having gun restrictions may be one of the most anti-democratic things that we have in our government, not being able to enact it.

Speaker 5 You're using a word restrictions.

Speaker 5 Yes, but that.

Speaker 4 Or regulations? What would you rather have me say?

Speaker 5 Standards.

Speaker 5 So if you want a heavy weapon, you got to show the government. You have a higher bar that you have to pass.
Absolutely. Okay.

Speaker 4 But I just want to get control of the chaos. I talked to a guy, I don't know, it was maybe two years ago.
He's a state senator in Oklahoma, and he said, more guns, more safety.

Speaker 4 I said, well, when does that happen? I said, you know, he wanted, he was passing laws in Oklahoma that would make it so that you didn't have to take gun safety courses to get a gun.

Speaker 4 And I said, well, do gun safety courses make us safer? And he said, yes. And I said, you want to take that out of making people do it?

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 4 So that makes us less safe. No.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 4 But it doesn't even have any logic to it.

Speaker 5 If you understand the world as I do, okay.

Speaker 5 The societies that don't have gun problems are the societies where the punishment

Speaker 5 of violating the gun laws is heinous. So Russia.

Speaker 5 Russia's like. Stop.
No. okay listen to me what about australia

Speaker 5 we'll get to australia it's it's all right australia is confusing because of the kangaroos they're transporting guns in their pouches they're not armed i didn't know this yes i did but in russia if you have a gun all right yeah

Speaker 4 you go away to a gulag for about 20 years so i'm going to explain something about russia and you may not be aware of this it is an authoritarian state it's it's an autocracy that's right but we have to take a break you're driving me insane.

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Speaker 4 All right, Bill, we're coming back. Oh, which can I, let me switch gears for a second because this is fascinating, but I want to get to something else.
Yes.

Speaker 4 I am so fascinated,

Speaker 5 Mr.

Speaker 4 O'Reilly, by

Speaker 4 the patriotic fervor of the Republican Party of the Republican Conventions, the iconography of the flags, the we the people

Speaker 4 of the Constitution, we are for freedom, we are for liberty.

Speaker 4 What is their acceptance of Victor Orban and Vladimir Putin? What is there?

Speaker 4 I don't understand

Speaker 4 how you can say we stand for freedom, we stand for liberty, we stand for the Constitution, and man, you know who's doing it right?

Speaker 4 Putin and Orban.

Speaker 4 Those are illiberal autocrats. What are we talking about here?

Speaker 5 Well, we didn't get to it on the Daily Show because you were babbling so much.

Speaker 4 That's what I do. That's my

Speaker 4 calling card.

Speaker 5 But J.D. Vance

Speaker 5 is the biggest Putin enabler

Speaker 5 I've seen.

Speaker 5 J.D. Vance, and I actually use what is the rationale.

Speaker 4 I truly, I truly

Speaker 5 explain that. So J.D.
Vance,

Speaker 5 I use a soundbite on the Notesman News, which is my daily broadcast, billorilly.com. You can get it all.
Good plug. So I use a soundbite of J.D.
Vance, Senator Vance, saying, hey.

Speaker 5 Putin, he's not Hitler. All right, he's not a threat.

Speaker 5 The United States is much stronger than it was in 1938. And I'm going, wait, I believe Putin has nuclear weapons? That dwarfs.

Speaker 4 The dwarfs. No, they've got the largest.

Speaker 5 He just misreads history, right? He doesn't understand the danger of Putin.

Speaker 4 Well, he only went to Yale, so it would.

Speaker 5 Well, it was, yeah, law school, which is really not going to school.

Speaker 5 It's kind of like all you do is demonstrate and make little signs.

Speaker 5 Oh, is that? I didn't realize that's a good thing. Yeah, I can commune.
And And I can say that because I went to Harvard. All right.
So I understand what's going on at Yale.

Speaker 4 You went to Harvard? Was that a DEI initiative? No, no.

Speaker 5 Irish guys? That was, we have to admit him because he's so brilliant, but we don't want to. We don't want to.
All right. Fair enough.
Okay. So your question is: why are some of the fringe right?

Speaker 5 So an average.

Speaker 5 No, no, no, but

Speaker 5 it's not Republicans.

Speaker 4 The vice presidential candidate of the United States,

Speaker 4 the presidential candidate of the United States on the Republican Party, that's not subsidized.

Speaker 5 Trump does not subscribe to that. We don't know what Trump, he won't say what his Ukraine policy is, which tees me off because I don't know where he's coming in.

Speaker 4 He has very clearly shown an affinity for the types of strongmen and authoritarian leaders like Vladimir Putin, like Victor Orban. Victor Orban was down at Mar-a-Lago having a shrimp cocktail.

Speaker 4 talking about, here's what you got to do with the press. Here's what you got to do with the thing.

Speaker 5 I mean, how can you say this is why you don't understand Trump? So I wrote a book, The United States of Trump, which you did not read, but you desperately need to read.

Speaker 4 I'm waiting for the movie to come out.

Speaker 4 I'm sure it's going to be fascinating.

Speaker 5 Right. And I'm sure Rob Reiner will direct it.
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 5 Trump doesn't care about ideology. He doesn't care about Victor Orban.
He doesn't even know where Hungary is. Okay.
He hasn't been to Budapest.

Speaker 5 What Trump wants are deals. And his theory is: if I can be friendly to Putin, to the nut in North Korea, she, not so much.
They're not close.

Speaker 5 But if I can be friendly and convince these people not to cause trouble, that's better for the country. Now, during four years.

Speaker 4 Can I ask a question then? Then why is he so

Speaker 4 harsh to our allies? Why is he so

Speaker 4 solicitous to Putin?

Speaker 5 Because he wants NATO to pay the money for defense purposes. That's why.
He's not harsh to them. But they are paying for it.

Speaker 4 His rhetoric towards France versus his rhetoric towards Russia is stark. There is a stark difference in the way that he's going to be.

Speaker 5 It's a different agenda.

Speaker 4 The European.

Speaker 5 It's a different agenda. He wants France.

Speaker 4 So you're saying you use a stick on your friends and a carrot on your enemies. Is that the

Speaker 5 deal maker? Okay, that's all.

Speaker 5 And that's why people misrepresent him. They think he's this onus Barry Goldwater guy.
All right, Trump. He doesn't care about it.
He doesn't know basically what

Speaker 4 he does.

Speaker 5 He has no value. His values are this.
I am the best deal maker on earth. This is what Donald Trump believes.
And my deals have helped America.

Speaker 5 And he can trot out deals that he has made because Putin didn't misbehave for four years.

Speaker 8 He didn't. All right.

Speaker 4 That's just not, I mean, not invade. He didn't leave Crimea.
We didn't get anything from him. No, that was.

Speaker 5 I mean, I don't understand this idea that's not a deal. That happened under Obama.
Okay. He took Crimea under Obama.
He didn't

Speaker 5 play a territory under Trump.

Speaker 4 Isn't this a bit of narcissism on America to think that the only things that happen are controlled by whatever personality? is in the White House at that time. I mean,

Speaker 4 I think that is a little far-fetched and a little bit solipsistic to think that in America, Putin said, hey, man, Trump's in. I don't want any smoke from that guy.

Speaker 4 So I'm not going to do anything wrong in the world. It's just not the case.
He was still enabling Iran. He was still allowing proxy armies all throughout the Middle East.
He was still undermining U.S.

Speaker 4 interests in the Levant. Like the idea that Putin behaved when Trump was in office is a fiction.

Speaker 5 Okay, that is your opinion. But if you look at the scale measure of what Putin did when Trump was in office and what he's done under Biden, it's not even the same hemisphere.

Speaker 5 But okay, you can have, look, that's the beauty of America. We all have different opinions.
But Trump manages his political empire by deal making, not ideology.

Speaker 4 But do you understand, Bill, his record at managing even his financial empire is unbelievably spotty. Okay, the one thing that he does really well

Speaker 4 is tell stories that he's the best,

Speaker 4 you know, he's the most impressive this that ever that. Like, that's what he does well.
His business record is oftentimes abysmal.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of bankruptcies in there, there's corruption in there, there's charities that have been shut down.

Speaker 4 Like, this is a fantasy that he's created this deal-making uh empire that never goes south.

Speaker 5 All I'm doing is four years of his administration. When you read Confronting the Presidents, and I'm going to hire somebody to read it to you, to follow you around.

Speaker 5 And I hope after it comes out, September 10th, we'll can discuss it. Every single president, all 45 men, all right, had chaos in their lives.
Everyone. George Washington's mother hated him.

Speaker 5 He didn't go to her funeral.

Speaker 5 What does that have to do with you running on your deal-making because what you are doing is going bankrupt in a casino what you are doing is you're saying trump has run his business poorly all right that's an opinion the guy has an enormous amount of money i'm not he has an enormous amount of money started out good and went well i'm not saying he ran his businesses poorly what i'm saying is

Speaker 4 he cottons no i no criticism no idea that anything had ever been his rhetoric is always i'm the greatest he's like Mohammed is the greatest, and this is the

Speaker 5 greatest. Of course.

Speaker 4 What I'm saying is it's a fiction, and it's clearly a fiction.

Speaker 5 But they all are fictional characters. Biden's going out there going,

Speaker 5 I'm the best president since FDR.

Speaker 5 And I don't know about you, but Dwight Eisenhower appeared to me in a vision and said, Did he really say that? And Ronald Reagan went, oh,

Speaker 5 there you go again.

Speaker 4 Let's be fair.

Speaker 5 Come on.

Speaker 4 Joe Biden did pass a tremendous amount of legislation. Not as much as Trump.

Speaker 5 Trump passed more legislation than Biden. And Biden's on chart.
I passed more legislation than anybody else. We did a fact check, and Trump passed more.

Speaker 4 Trump had two things. Trump had two things.
He had two chance.

Speaker 5 Lock her up, build a wall.

Speaker 4 Didn't do either. Now, as far as passing more legislation that was consequential,

Speaker 4 he couldn't get an infrastructure bill done. He couldn't.
He tried very hard.

Speaker 5 He didn't use children labor. That was a problem.

Speaker 4 He told us,

Speaker 4 terrible. He told us

Speaker 4 that we were going to have a health care bill that would be second to none. You'll see, I'm going to replace Obamacare and we're going to have a health care bill.

Speaker 5 He didn't do any of it.

Speaker 4 Here's what he did: a $1.7 million trillion dollar tax cut, right? He got the corporate tax rate to 20%

Speaker 4 and he was able to deregulate.

Speaker 5 Yes. All that's happening.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 4 And even out of that, even as a businessman, you have to admit, that's probably worth, what, $5 trillion in stimulus? And he got a GDP rate out of that.

Speaker 5 Macroeconomics is swell. All right.

Speaker 5 I'm a simple man. You know that.
I'm looking out for the folks.

Speaker 4 Under Trump.

Speaker 4 In which version are you? Under Trump. I just want a definition of simple because my definition of you as a simple man is probably a different man.

Speaker 5 Here's why I'm simple. I don't understand anything you just said.
Yes.

Speaker 4 You're simple because because you don't understand.

Speaker 5 Under Trump, real wages went up close to 8% for the folks. Under Biden, real wages are down 2.5%.

Speaker 5 That means

Speaker 5 the average working person

Speaker 5 is down 10%

Speaker 5 in take-home pay

Speaker 5 under Biden. So come on.

Speaker 4 I'm going to challenge that.

Speaker 5 You can go macroeconomic all day long.

Speaker 4 People got to go to piggly wiggly to get their groceries stop it donald okay well let's let's go simple folk donald trump was the first president since herbert hoover yes to walk out of office with net job loss because first person since

Speaker 5 they pushed everything down

Speaker 4 i see so donald trump is allowed to say i was eight trillion dollars i accumulated eight trillion dollars to the national bank right covet related i and and i left office with a net job loss, and that's COVID.

Speaker 4 But Biden, in getting the economy to recover in the way that it did, probably faster than any other industrialized country in the world, even better than any other industrialized country in the world, with an inflation rate that was lower than the other industrialized countries.

Speaker 4 But that, that's nothing. He sucks, but Trump was great and COVID ruined it.
And Biden, COVID didn't matter.

Speaker 5 And he's

Speaker 4 not.

Speaker 5 Number one, the American economy is good under Biden.

Speaker 5 Inflation

Speaker 5 is not. So there's

Speaker 5 by,

Speaker 5 look, there are two lines.

Speaker 5 What was I? That word. Yes.
Two lines. All right.
Stock market doing well. The economy.

Speaker 5 Consumers are spending. people

Speaker 5 are okay employment-wise.

Speaker 5 But, Stuart,

Speaker 5 since Biden's been in office, gas prices are up 38%. I know you don't want to hear it.
I know this is painful. But so, here's all I'm asking.

Speaker 5 Prices up 21%.

Speaker 4 When I say Donald Trump was a net job loss and added $8 trillion to our national debt, you say, well, that was right.

Speaker 4 Even though it wasn't COVID, it was a $1.7 trillion tax cut that never paid for itself. It was a 20%

Speaker 5 corporate tax rate.

Speaker 4 These things look

Speaker 5 before the government shut down on COVID. If you look at tax receipts, and I am not sick enough for Trump, he's way too big a spender for me.
Way too big. Okay.

Speaker 5 And Biden is the same. They're both the same parallel.
I'm going to buy votes by spending money. That's what they do.

Speaker 4 All right. Well, then why hasn't Biden added as much to the debt as Trump?

Speaker 5 It's not close. The stats are

Speaker 4 $8 trillion to $4 trillion,

Speaker 4 $8 to $4 or $5. It's not close.

Speaker 5 It's like half. $8 trillion comes in the deal for the vaccines and all of the things that Trump had to do to keep the country not falling over.

Speaker 5 Do you know how much that cost the federal government to have those three pharmaceutical companies develop that vaccine in less than a a year, that was $2.5 trillion.

Speaker 5 Just that.

Speaker 4 Come on.

Speaker 5 I'm going to have to check your figures, Bill, because you're saying the government spent $2.5 trillion.

Speaker 5 They'll tell you.

Speaker 4 You're saying the federal government spent

Speaker 5 without a pay goal to make three pharmaceutical companies based upon them developing a vaccine in a certain amount of time.

Speaker 4 And you don't think any of the spending Biden did was because of COVID.

Speaker 5 Some of it was, look, Biden puts it up like the build back America better,

Speaker 5 all right, as a

Speaker 5 COVID play.

Speaker 4 Infrastructure.

Speaker 5 And I don't have a beef with that in the sense that,

Speaker 5 yeah,

Speaker 5 we needed an infrastructure upgrade in this country. But macroeconomics.

Speaker 4 If he's such a deal maker, why didn't he do it?

Speaker 4 Why didn't he do it? Remember Infrastructure Week? They had like 50 infrastructure weeks.

Speaker 5 Why didn't he do it? I don't know why he did it, why he didn't do it.

Speaker 5 All I know is the last two years of the Trump administration, they were desperately trying to handle this COVID, which Biden inherited.

Speaker 4 Not the last two years. It was the last like eight months.
No, it was longer than when COVID hit in March.

Speaker 5 They shut the government. They didn't hit in March.
But it was before that that it started to come in. The pandemic started to come in.
All right.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, the timeline is probably tighter. You're right there.
Timeline is probably tighter. But

Speaker 5 the catastrophe of shutting the entire country down had ramifications for every part of it. But when Biden came in, remember when

Speaker 5 he left office, inflation was 1.5%.

Speaker 4 And it rushed. Because the economy was shut down.

Speaker 5 No, no, they were.

Speaker 5 They were coming back then.

Speaker 5 They were coming back then.

Speaker 5 The economy wasn't totally shut down. No, they weren't.
Oh, yeah, they were. When we voted in 20, okay,

Speaker 5 people were back to work. A lot of them were remotely.
A lot of them. I just had

Speaker 4 that COVID. You look at COVID as this terrible challenge that Trump had to face, and that he had it all figured out by the time Biden walked in.

Speaker 5 He had it all figured out. I'm just trying to tell you what the government's responsibility was at the time.
I'm a historian.

Speaker 5 You want to paint me as some kind of

Speaker 5 a booster, okay?

Speaker 5 That's what you want to paint me as. And I'm not that.
I think Biden sycophant, not booster.

Speaker 5 I think Biden is the second worst president in our history next to james buchanan and you'll learn all about jimmy when you read confronting the presidents because biden is a wild statement because biden caused

Speaker 5 open border that's biden that's not congress that's not anybody that's an executive order on biden's part to open that border for anybody who wants to apply for asylum that has been a catastrophe across the board biden created i am i am not going to say that our immigration policy makes any any sense whatsoever.

Speaker 4 No, I disagree. I don't agree with that.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 Who else, Stuart?

Speaker 4 Well, what I would suggest is that through a lot of factors, there's a lot more people that are migrating all over the world. Look, the whole world is having trouble dealing with

Speaker 4 immigration and migrants caused by chaos and unrest in the world. That's just a fact.
There's more people coming through.

Speaker 4 Allowing asylum for people is also international law.

Speaker 5 So that's something that we don't really have a choice in no it's not international asylum seekers are protected in international law each country has its own asylum laws you're not forced

Speaker 5 who's going to force you to have an asylum law do you think underwater you think communist china has an asylum law come on well that's

Speaker 4 there's no international law on asylum in the countries that follow the rule of law and again Going to autocracies and dictatorships, of course, they play by different rules.

Speaker 4 But our point is, in America, America we have asylum seeking laws.

Speaker 5 That's just what we have. They were broken by the Biden open border policies.

Speaker 4 And if they were broken. And they had a legislative fix for that that the Republicans wouldn't have.

Speaker 5 The bill wouldn't have done anything. I read the bill.
That's not true. I want the border to be secure.

Speaker 4 Put up there by

Speaker 4 a conservative

Speaker 5 solution to the border.

Speaker 4 The immigration.

Speaker 4 The Border Patrol were for the bill. Everybody was for the bill except Trump because he thought it would take away an election.
No, no, no.

Speaker 5 Everybody wasn't for the bill. I wasn't for the sign.
What's your son? I didn't care what Trump said about it.

Speaker 4 Let me hear. Let me hear.
What's your question?

Speaker 5 Okay. All asylum claims are suspended for a year by the United States so we can reorganize the asylum courts, hire more judges, hire more Border Patrol, build more barriers.

Speaker 5 One year, no asylum claims. That stops the cartel human smuggling operations right there.

Speaker 5 The people that are in here, okay, already, about 15 million foreign nationals, they need to register at their local post office and each one of them are adjudicated within our law system.

Speaker 5 Remember, if you come to the United States even illegally, all right,

Speaker 5 you are protected by our Constitution. So now everybody here has to get due process and they should.
But the government has to know who's here, where they are, and what they are doing.

Speaker 5 And that way they can get a fair hearing. And so if you stop the asylum for a year, give Congress time to pass a decent immigration law and stop that.

Speaker 4 What gives you any that's how you do it.

Speaker 5 And that's a brilliant solution. And you know it.
So let's admit it in front of the world right now.

Speaker 4 First of all, if you believe this podcast is in front of the world, you are so grossly overstating.

Speaker 5 You are so grossly overstating my my reach. I'm everywhere.
No, please.

Speaker 4 Let's let's not. Well,

Speaker 4 people aren't happy about it, Bill. I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 5 That's ridiculous. Freedom of speech.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay, fair enough. All right.
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Speaker 4 All right, we're back.

Speaker 4 Do you understand why people in America,

Speaker 4 not everyone, fear another Trump presidency

Speaker 4 because of what happened on January 6th? Because he says things like, I will be your retribution.

Speaker 5 Okay, but that's just rhetoric.

Speaker 5 And I don't take rhetoric into account on

Speaker 4 either side. What else do we have?

Speaker 5 Look, Joe Biden says, if you don't vote for me, you're not black. I mean, come on.
That's just rhetoric. So I understand

Speaker 5 that January 6th was the biggest mistake Donald Trump has ever made in in his life. And the mistake was that immediately upon the

Speaker 5 breaking in of the Capitol, Trump should have gone on television and said, knock it off. You shouldn't have waited three hours and 15 minutes.

Speaker 4 That was

Speaker 4 a question here?

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 we're sort of boiling it down to January 6th and

Speaker 4 the three hours and 15 minutes that he waited. But I want to maybe roll it back further because I don't think January 6th was an aberration.
I think it was the culmination of a slow-moving plot.

Speaker 4 And I'll tell you, the minute he lost the election, he went through every avenue meticulously to try and get that vote overturned. He first went to all the states, Nevada, Georgia.

Speaker 4 I just need 11,000 votes. This was fraud.
He went to all the courts. None of it worked.
This kept going, and they kept trying to plan. The next step was: let's go to the vice president.

Speaker 4 The vice president doesn't have to certify it. They tried to make constitutional arguments.
Most of his lawyers say, Donald, you lost. This is crazy.
This is not constitutional. So, what does he do?

Speaker 4 He lawyer shops until he can find people that are unscrupulous, and then he takes their advice. Now, it comes down to that certification.
This has been a process building up since November, right?

Speaker 4 Pence finally makes it clear, no,

Speaker 4 I'm going to certify these votes because that's my constitutional duty. And their last minute, last ditch effort is, okay, fine.
Then I am going to create enough chaos

Speaker 4 to get this thing thrown into the House of Representatives. What I'm saying is, it wasn't a three and a half minute brain fart that Donald Trump went went through on January 6th.
This was the

Speaker 4 very intentional, strategic end to a months-long plan

Speaker 4 by Donald Trump to disregard the democratically elected new president of the United States.

Speaker 5 And overall, I understand your assessment, and I understand why people, some people agree with you,

Speaker 5 but I've investigated this thing really thoroughly.

Speaker 4 Oh, you had your own January 6th.

Speaker 5 I have my own abilities and the best staff in the business.

Speaker 5 All right. Hey, what?

Speaker 4 Don't you not want to do that?

Speaker 5 Well, you do a different thing than I do.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 let's hope so. What happened was that Donald Trump refused to accept the fact that he lost.
That's where you start your investigation.

Speaker 5 About two weeks, maybe 10 days after the vote, I told my audience that there was no massive fraud that could be proven

Speaker 5 in the election. I lost about a thousand premium members on billorilly.com when I said that.

Speaker 4 What are you running in OnlyFans over there?

Speaker 5 No nudity, but close.

Speaker 5 Okay?

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 I knew there wasn't massive fraud, that this Dominion thing law, all this was BS, because there wasn't one thing presented by anybody.

Speaker 5 And Alito, the Supreme Court justice, actually wrote, tell me what you have and we will consider it because he was in charge of Pennsylvania, Alito. Nothing came forth, so I knew it was BS.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 when the run-up to the January 6th thing happened, I also have established beyond any reasonable doubt that Trump was worried things might go south on this. He did not want it

Speaker 5 so that they made inquiries to the White House, to the Pentagon, to Muriel Bowser, the mayor of D.C., and to Pelosi to get the guard in ahead of time, the National Guard. It was rejected.

Speaker 5 And now we learn from Nancy Pelosi's daughter that she is feeling remorse about rejecting that, Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker 4 So I'm going to take issue with your characterization.

Speaker 5 Just listen. This is our investigation.

Speaker 4 Yes, that is not

Speaker 5 going to be my investigation. This is what we have found out.

Speaker 4 I'm going to believe the actual investigation.

Speaker 5 You believe what you want because that's what people do. They believe what they want to believe.

Speaker 5 No, I'm not, it's what I want to believe.

Speaker 4 It's what was in the report.

Speaker 5 Look, there are thousands of reports.

Speaker 5 The official, there is no official, all right.

Speaker 4 Well, the January 6th.

Speaker 5 And you're telling me that that committee is what you're going on?

Speaker 5 All right. So, anyway,

Speaker 5 what I believe, and I could be wrong, but very rarely am, is that Trump didn't want this violence. What he wanted was a display,

Speaker 5 all right, that would convince Americans to back his opinion

Speaker 8 that the

Speaker 5 vote was fraudulent. That's what he wanted.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 here's what I'm going to say.

Speaker 4 I disagree with you that that's what he wanted

Speaker 4 that day.

Speaker 4 I think what he wanted that day was Mike Pence not to certify the election.

Speaker 5 And Pence is a hero, by the way. And when

Speaker 5 he said that when Mike Pence said no, Pence will go down in history well no i think as a hero yeah

Speaker 4 i i would agree with that in that one instance but boy did he enable four years of nonsense leading up to that but beyond that beyond that on that day when he knew right

Speaker 4 so he knew that if he could get the election into the house of representatives he had a shock maybe that's what he knew that's what he wanted so that's what he wanted that's what he wanted and he knew the only way he could do that was for those proceedings not to go forward.

Speaker 4 And for those proceedings to go forward.

Speaker 5 I think that's accurate. No, but interrupted.
He didn't need it. And if Pence had cooperated.
He did.

Speaker 4 No, that's what I'm saying. He didn't understand.

Speaker 5 The pitchfork people.

Speaker 4 Once he understood.

Speaker 4 But once, so that's my point. He thought he wasn't going to need it, but he had him there in case.

Speaker 4 Once he realized

Speaker 5 that he was conspiratorial. Once he realized.
He never prove that in a court.

Speaker 5 When you've got Pentagon people raising their right hand and swearing that Donald Trump told them to alert the Pentagon to bring the guard in early, that whole thing just blows up.

Speaker 5 Now, if you don't want to believe it, you don't want to believe it, but that's on the record. Come on.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Here's what I'm saying. He said, go down to the Capitol and fight.

Speaker 5 That's what he said. He said he said peacefully.

Speaker 5 He knew it.

Speaker 4 He said peacefully.

Speaker 5 Come on.

Speaker 5 You're not even giving the whole picture to the podcast viewers. He said, peacefully, come on.

Speaker 4 If I may say so, Bill, that's just rhetoric.

Speaker 5 And it was

Speaker 5 clear to me.

Speaker 4 He didn't mean that thing.

Speaker 5 He wanted to give them all ARs.

Speaker 5 He wanted to arm all those people to get out of machine gun. Everybody was opposed to him.

Speaker 4 Not machine gun, but he wanted.

Speaker 4 the pressure of the people to stop them from certifying.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to disagree with that.

Speaker 4 That it could go to the House.

Speaker 5 Well, that's

Speaker 5 why you're saying that he had nefarious, that he wanted to promote violence. None of that is true.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying his intention was to disrupt.

Speaker 5 That's true.

Speaker 4 His intention was to disrupt. And it became violent because he was reckless.

Speaker 5 And that's

Speaker 5 an opinion that

Speaker 5 I wouldn't. I don't think that Donald Trump handled that well at all.

Speaker 4 I think that is the mildest understatement I have heard.

Speaker 5 Because you want to hate him and I want to treat him fairly. No, that's the difference.

Speaker 4 Oh, my lord. Bill O'Reilly, do I desperately not want to hate him? I don't hate him.

Speaker 5 I just feel like

Speaker 5 you're going to sit next to Trump at a nick game.

Speaker 4 I take my son to those, so no, probably not. I only

Speaker 5 bought the ticket next to you for $8,000.

Speaker 4 Not given the damage that I think he's done to the district.

Speaker 5 I would sit

Speaker 5 next to Biden. And I would ask him all its questions.

Speaker 4 Well, because Biden hasn't done, I understand that, but that's apples.

Speaker 5 No apples, no oranges. I sit next to Biden.
I'll say.

Speaker 4 Biden hasn't violated the one core tenet of our constitutional republic, and that is the peaceful transfer of power.

Speaker 5 And that's what I would say.

Speaker 4 To me, me, that's true.

Speaker 5 I said this on the Daily Show. That's true.

Speaker 5 And that's why Trump isn't 25% ahead of Biden now. That January 6th is what pulled Trump back.
Final comment. Tomorrow night,

Speaker 5 Thursday night, so this podcast will probably go on forever because everybody in the world will watch it. And the totalitarian regime will force people to watch it.
in China and Russia, if they will.

Speaker 5 And if you don't, you can watch some of them.

Speaker 5 If Trump would go on Tuesday night and say, you know what?

Speaker 5 I have some of my rhetoric has been extreme and too personal. And based upon what happened to me, I almost lost my life.
I'm going to tamp that down. And I'm going to campaign on what I believe

Speaker 5 I can do for the country. I can improve your life.
I'm going to stop the personal stuff. And I hope everybody else follows.

Speaker 5 If Trump would do that Thursday night, he will win, probably in a landslide in November. Right.

Speaker 4 So you're saying if he could come out and go like, I am a completely different person.

Speaker 5 Maybe not completely because no one's going to buy that, but he has modified a little bit.

Speaker 5 And he doesn't have to apologize. See? It doesn't have to look weak.
He just has to say, I'll see the bigger picture.

Speaker 4 He just has to make a strategic pivot without actually having change in his heart.

Speaker 5 See, no matter what he does.

Speaker 5 All right, O'Reilly.

Speaker 5 You're going to say that I appreciate that. Thank you very much for always appreciate the debate with Jon Stewart.

Speaker 5 And I think that we built up a legacy here in this country that every other political pundit should follow. And it's fun.
It's informative.

Speaker 5 It is fun. And best of all, I'm so much better looking than Stewart.
It's really a good contrast.

Speaker 4 I don't disagree with that. Thank you very much for being here, Bill.

Speaker 4 God,

Speaker 4 that's a lot.

Speaker 6 I'm tired.

Speaker 4 I'm

Speaker 4 something. He talks too much.

Speaker 6 He did.

Speaker 4 I just love the whole like

Speaker 4 Stewart, January 6th. It was a bad day.

Speaker 4 You know, it's the divide. Like, Trump was jet lagged.
He was, uh, he had a cold.

Speaker 5 Three and a half hours.

Speaker 4 He should have done it. Like, then it wasn't like the culmination of this gigantic plot to overthrow the

Speaker 4 electoral Jesus.

Speaker 7 I know on his show, he talks about how calling Trump anti-democracy is hate, and it's like,

Speaker 4 hmm, and it's just that it's a literal fact, yeah,

Speaker 4 and it's hate, and that's he sort of blames that on the radical stage, right?

Speaker 7 Wasn't he saying like MSNBC, something he didn't say it to me, MSNBC is the, yeah, well, I've had the joy of watching his show for the last few days and

Speaker 6 subscriber,

Speaker 4 yeah, by the way. For those viewers at home that may not understand, Lauren is our master of understatement.
I don't know if you guys might realize she's our dry

Speaker 4 performer.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah. So I've been on that website 4 million and one now.

Speaker 4 And are you a premium member? Have you jumped on? Have you jumped in? Yeah, I want it all.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 4 As you should, Lauren.

Speaker 7 It is my right.

Speaker 7 So he was just going on about how MSNBC is the worst of the worst. And we were talking amongst the staff, like,

Speaker 7 how is like Abraham Lincoln killed if MSNBC didn't exist? Like, how is MSNBC implicated in this when assassination is not uncommon or like attempts on the lives of our leaders is not uncommon?

Speaker 4 Well, Lauren, I think you're also forgetting the view.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 4 I think that the view's commentary about McKinley can be directly related to his

Speaker 7 Joy Behar was there.

Speaker 4 Joy Behar coming out against McKinley and Garfield is what led directly to

Speaker 4 it's just wild, man, to listen to, but

Speaker 4 I got to say, like,

Speaker 4 always fun to, it's almost like a

Speaker 4 Thanksgiving in July. You know, it's like that

Speaker 4 sitting around, because it really is like, because I have family members who, you know, Bill O'Reilly is their patron saint and probably is too soft and liberal for them.

Speaker 4 You know, O'Reilly, he's still, he's a little too conciliatory.

Speaker 4 And it really does remind you of those conversations like after the football game where like finally somebody will turn and be like, so you really want to indoctrinate the children?

Speaker 4 Is that what you want to do? And you're like, no,

Speaker 4 that's not what's happening here.

Speaker 6 Didn't say that. Yeah, I think this is the first and potentially last episode that my family will listen to.

Speaker 4 Well, I'm sorry they're so disappointed that you work for a communist, but we'll

Speaker 4 move it along.

Speaker 4 But great stuff, guys.

Speaker 4 Next week is next week.

Speaker 4 As always, lead producer Lauren Walker, producer Brittany Mamedovic, video editor and engineer Rob Batolo, audio editor and engineer Nicole Boyce, researcher and associate producer Jillian Spear and executive producers Chris McShane, Katie Gray.

Speaker 4 This is the weekly show.

Speaker 4 We will see you next week. I mean, that just makes logical sense.

Speaker 6 Should we hit him with socials?

Speaker 4 Oh, socials. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Brittany, sorry.

Speaker 6 Twitter, we are weekly show pod. Instagram and threads, we are weekly show podcast.
TikTok, weekly show podcast. And YouTube, we are weekly show with Jon Stewart.

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Speaker 4 TikTok, especially, because the kids love two old men.

Speaker 4 Kids love nothing more than two old men talking over each other.

Speaker 6 That's hashtag viral.

Speaker 4 Hashtag what's wrong with these people.

Speaker 4 All right. Very good, guys.
See you next time.

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