600: COMPILATION: Mars Mysteries and Secret Missions

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Speaker 19 Today's episodes are all about Mars, and I've been really looking forward to this one.

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Speaker 27 And we're off to the races.

Speaker 24 First episode is number 109 about the face on Mars.

Speaker 32 On July 25th, 1976, a NASA scientist was studying the images of a region of Mars called Sidonia when something caught his eye.

Speaker 37 He had to take a second to process what he was seeing.

Speaker 39 He grabbed a magnifying glass.

Speaker 40 There was no doubt.

Speaker 14 On the surface of Mars, 140 million miles from Earth, was a structure in the shape of a human face.

Speaker 49 It was huge, about a mile wide, and showed two eyes, a nose, and a mouth.

Speaker 50 Around the face were pyramids and structures that didn't look natural.

Speaker 53 They looked like they were built by someone.

Speaker 46 The following day, NASA held a press conference.

Speaker 57 Of the thousands of photos sent back from Mars, all anyone asked about was the face.

Speaker 51 Who built it and why?

Speaker 50 Is it a message from an advanced civilization now long extinct?

Speaker 62 Is it a religious artifact?

Speaker 65 Is it solid like the Great Sphinx?

Speaker 48 Or could it contain chambers like the Great Pyramid?

Speaker 51 Then NASA threw cold water on the speculation.

Speaker 68 They said there was a second photograph of the area taken shortly after, and that photo showed that the face was nothing more than an optical illusion.

Speaker 72 Small problem, that second photo doesn't exist.

Speaker 22 So why did NASA lie?

Speaker 73 Well, the answer to that question is in the other pictures.

Speaker 74 For centuries, we've been captivated by the mysteries of the red planet.

Speaker 25 The ancient Egyptians saw Mars as a god.

Speaker 78 The Greeks named it after their god of war.

Speaker 81 But it wasn't until the 19th century that we began to unravel some of its secrets.

Speaker 85 In 1877, Italian astronomer Giovanni Scaparelli made detailed observations of Mars. He saw strange markings on the surface that he called cannali.

Speaker 21 Oh, I love those. It's like an Italian sweet cheese taco.
That's cannoli. Delicious.

Speaker 71 Cannali means channels in Italian, but the media thought it meant canals.

Speaker 68 And this led to speculation that the canals might have been built by an intelligent race of Martians.

Speaker 92 And as technology improved and with the space race in full swing, getting close-up photos of Mars became a priority.

Speaker 95 In 1965, the Mariner 4 probe flew past Mars and sent back 22 images.

Speaker 61 Even though the first pictures of Mars were exciting, they were also disappointing.

Speaker 59 There were no vast cities or canals or any evidence of an ancient culture.

Speaker 98 Mars looked like the moon, harsh, barren, pockmarked by meteors, completely lifeless.

Speaker 46 But as technology continued to improve, the idea of life life on Mars became less far-fetched.

Speaker 105 Yes, Mars is cold and barren now, but years ago, that wasn't the case.

Speaker 101 Mars was once covered with vast oceans of water flowing into rivers and lakes all over the planet.

Speaker 48 It had a thick atmosphere that kept the surface warm.

Speaker 98 Mars had volcanic activity and even a global magnetic field, just like Earth.

Speaker 105 It was a long time ago, but the red planet was, at one time, a blue planet, with all the ingredients necessary to support life.

Speaker 25 In 1975, NASA sent two spacecraft to Mars, Viking 1 and Viking 2.

Speaker 96 These probes each contained an orbiter with a high-resolution camera and a lander.

Speaker 115 In the summer of 1976, Viking 1 and Viking 2 finally reached Mars.

Speaker 116 Both orbiters took thousands of photographs of the Martian surface.

Speaker 117 NASA scientist Toby Owen was one of the first researchers assigned to look for landing sites. And when Owen found the face on image 35-A72, he was beyond excited.

Speaker 121 NASA released the image to the press as a way to increase public interest and attract attention to Mars.

Speaker 63 This worked, but a little too well, because the face was the only thing the press wanted to talk about.

Speaker 63 It became such a big story that NASA had to release a follow-up statement about the face, saying it was just an optical illusion, and they took another photo to prove it.

Speaker 126 Isn't it peculiar what tricks of light and shadow can do? When we took another picture a few hours later, it all went away. It was just a trick, just the way the light fell on on it.

Speaker 87 Except, that second photo was never produced, and nobody thought to ask.

Speaker 107 Face or not, Sidonia was the top contender for the landing site of Viking 2.

Speaker 115 The terrain is flat, visibility was good, and there are interesting rock formations to explore.

Speaker 23 But a few days after the release of the face photo, Viking 2 landed in a barren rocky region called Utopia Planitia.

Speaker 79 One scientist working on the mission complained that this was like landing in the Sahara Desert and expecting to find a garden.

Speaker 44 So why the last minute change change of the landing site?

Speaker 23 Is there something going on in Sidonia that NASA doesn't want us to see?

Speaker 62 Well, the answer is yes, lots of things.

Speaker 33 Monuments are not built in isolation.

Speaker 136 The pyramids found in Egypt or in Central or South America were not single structures. They were part of sprawling complexes of buildings, town squares, and temples.

Speaker 93 If an ancient culture living on Mars created a monument of a humanoid head, we'd expect to see other structures close by.

Speaker 40 And that's exactly what we see.

Speaker 50 There's a cluster of pyramids near the face that people call the city square.

Speaker 60 And near those is an object nicknamed the fortress, which appears to be a collapsed pyramid.

Speaker 55 There's a formation called the DNM Pyramid, named for NASA imaging scientists Vince DiPietro and Greg Molinar.

Speaker 23 DNM is a massive five-sided one and a half mile tall structure.

Speaker 145 This is three times the size of the largest pyramid in Egypt.

Speaker 136 But what's really interesting about the DNM pyramid is that it's symmetrical around two different axes.

Speaker 79 Now, it's easy to dismiss these findings that it's nothing more than a coincidence that all these weird-looking structures and pyramids are within a few miles of the face.

Speaker 43 But then a professional satellite imaging specialist named Errol Torin started looking into it.

Speaker 79 He worked for the Defense Mapping Agency.

Speaker 23 And his job was literally to analyze satellite images and decide which objects were natural and which were artificial.

Speaker 106 He said that all the objects, including the face, were not of natural origin.

Speaker 123 But the DNM pyramid really blew his mind.

Speaker 151 The geomorphic, natural hypothesis is thus left with no mechanism that can explain the formation of the DNM pyramid.

Speaker 151 This object's five-sided shape and bilateral symmetry is unlike any landform seen to date in this solar system.

Speaker 117 Torin called this pyramid the Rosetta Stone of Mars.

Speaker 108 He found all kinds of mathematical relationships between objects in the area.

Speaker 156 And as more photos came back from Mars, we found more strange objects.

Speaker 157 A lot more.

Speaker 87 Over the past 50 years, thousands of images have come back from Mars.

Speaker 96 And if you look through those images, you'll find all sorts of things that look out of place.

Speaker 45 This is an extremely tall, almost perfectly rectangular monolith.

Speaker 105 Whoa!

Speaker 159 Here's another monolith.

Speaker 69 This one stands over 10 miles high.

Speaker 79 If this were on Earth, it would extend up through the clouds.

Speaker 85 The top is so high that even the largest airliners would fly below it.

Speaker 99 This object has been nicknamed the shipwreck because it looks like the remains of a boat.

Speaker 141 Is it an ancient craft or maybe the foundation of a structure?

Speaker 155 In May 2022, Curiosity Rover found a doorway carved in the rock face.

Speaker 163 I wonder where it goes.

Speaker 164 Here are giant tracks on the surface.

Speaker 160 Giant.

Speaker 44 What kind of machine could make this?

Speaker 165 Now, this object doesn't look like a natural rock formation.

Speaker 25 This one is called the Martian totem pole.

Speaker 58 You can make the argument that erosion created most of the odd features on Mars, but this one is very strange.

Speaker 79 I don't see how erosion could do this.

Speaker 82 Curiosity took this picture in 2015.

Speaker 169 It looks like something is hanging onto the cliffs.

Speaker 67 Here's a dome or the top of a sphere.

Speaker 69 These structures were famously called glass worms by Arthur C.

Speaker 155 Clarke.

Speaker 57 Here's an object that's definitely not a rock formation.

Speaker 68 A series of still images shows an orb of light moving around the Martian landscape.

Speaker 63 What the?

Speaker 106 Skeptics say this is a dead pixel, but dead pixels don't move around the frame.

Speaker 171 Besides, whatever this is, it's larger than just a pixel.

Speaker 159 Here's one that blows my mind.

Speaker 128 This looks like the imprint of a valve or a gear.

Speaker 80 This was taken with the Opportunities microscopic imager.

Speaker 50 Could this be the imprint left by the piece of an ancient machine?

Speaker 118 How could this mark be formed naturally?

Speaker 112 How about this?

Speaker 173 This was taken by the Mars Global Surveyor in the year 2000.

Speaker 164 This saucer-shaped formation or structure really stands stands out from the surrounding landscape.

Speaker 55 And these are just a few of the anomalies found on Mars.

Speaker 118 There are many, many more.

Speaker 58 A few years after the release of the infamous face photo, DiPietro and Molinar decided to look for the original so they could analyze it themselves.

Speaker 97 Now, at first, they had trouble locating it.

Speaker 115 Turns out, it was misfiled.

Speaker 77 Eventually, they found 35A72 labeled head in the Viking image files.

Speaker 23 And after reviewing the photo, DiPietro and Molinar felt that despite what NASA claimed, there was more to the face than a trick of light and shadow.

Speaker 119 So they looked for the second image, the one that NASA said proves the face is just an illusion.

Speaker 59 Vince DiPietro and Greg Molinar felt that there was more to the face on Mars than an optical illusion.

Speaker 92 To prove or disprove the theory, they would need more photos.

Speaker 59 Even though there were other pictures taken of the face, they were surprised to find that they seemed to have disappeared.

Speaker 21 They must be new at this. Tell me again, what happened to NASA's recordings of the moon landing?

Speaker 120 Oh, yeah, they lost those too.

Speaker 21 NASA sure does hire a lot of butterfingers.

Speaker 47 That does seem to be the case.

Speaker 21 You know, it's a good thing the moon landing was fake. Otherwise, that would have been really embarrassing.

Speaker 128 They also couldn't find the quote-unquote disconfirming photographs that Gerald Soffin mentioned five years earlier.

Speaker 77 But even though it was filed in the wrong place, they did find a second photo of the face on Mars.

Speaker 39 And this second image showed more detail and less shadow on the left side of the face.

Speaker 93 There appeared to be two eye sockets, a nose, and even a mouth.

Speaker 182 But the weirdest thing was that the structure had two parallel and even length sides, both hundreds of yards long and perfectly straight.

Speaker 101 And the top and bottom edges were both curved and had the same radius.

Speaker 93 It looked like a symmetrical framed platform for the face itself.

Speaker 106 According to geologists and imaging experts, the face's base, if that's what it is, is different than anything you'd likely see in nature.

Speaker 111 DiPietro did more analysis and found evidence of a pupil in the left eye socket.

Speaker 89 NASA scoffed at the new findings, so the two researchers sought some outside help.

Speaker 84 And this is where science journalist Richard Hoagland stepped into the picture.

Speaker 79 He organized an independent research group and began studying the images in greater detail.

Speaker 74 Computer imaging specialist Dr.

Speaker 36 Mark Carlado was brought onto the team. His new image enhancement techniques showed what looked like teeth in the mouth and an odd stripe pattern on the frame areas.

Speaker 79 Excited by what they found, Hoagland arranged for a briefing on the results with Carl Sagan at NASA.

Speaker 21 Carl Sagan, the millions and billions guy with the turtleneck sweaters?

Speaker 180 Yep, that's him.

Speaker 157 Have trillions,

Speaker 157 billions, trillions, billions, billions, billions, billions, billions, billions, millions, billions, billion, trillion, billions, millions, millions, millions, billions, billions, billions, billions, millions, billions, billions, billions, millions, millions, millions, millions.

Speaker 115 At the meeting, Carl Sagan acted impressed, but he attacked the face on Mars theory in the newspapers.

Speaker 87 Hoagland pressed NASA for more photos, but NASA said it was unnecessary.

Speaker 86 Mystery solved.

Speaker 79 But NASA didn't realize that Richard Hoagland had a platform.

Speaker 109 A big platform.

Speaker 185 From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in whatever time zone, wherever you are in the world.

Speaker 190 This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.

Speaker 185 Great to be here.

Speaker 51 Lots to do tonight.

Speaker 106 Art Bell, host of Coast to Coast AM, reached millions of people, and Richard Hoagland was on the show all the time.

Speaker 44 With access to Art Bell's audience, Hoagland was able to generate letter-writing and call-in campaigns to force NASA to take new pictures of the face and pyramids at Sidonia.

Speaker 65 Now, NASA didn't agree immediately, but the pressure was starting to mount because in just a few more months, NASA was going back to Mars.

Speaker 57 In 1993, NASA launched the Mars Observer, the first mission to Mars since the Viking days.

Speaker 193 And liftoff, lift off of the Titan III rocket with the Mars Observer and America's return to the red planet.

Speaker 45 And NASA wasn't even going to include a camera, but an uproar from the public forced NASA to include one.

Speaker 117 There was a lot of excitement about the Mars Observer because the new camera was good enough to finally finally end the debate about the face and the pyramids in Cydonia.

Speaker 196 At least, that was the hope.

Speaker 87 The reality was somewhat different.

Speaker 183 Even after the launch, NASA maintained that they had no interest in photographing the face or Cydonia.

Speaker 171 The debate went back and forth until about three days before Mars Observer was inserted into Mars orbit.

Speaker 21 The probe insertion.

Speaker 36 Don't be an infant.

Speaker 107 That Sunday morning, before the maneuver to.

Speaker 179 Stop it.

Speaker 178 The Sunday before the observer was placed into orbit, NASA sent out the Mars Observer lead project scientist, Dr.

Speaker 46 Bevin French, to debate Hoagland on Good Morning America.

Speaker 94 That to put it gently, it did not go well for Dr.

Speaker 79 French or NASA.

Speaker 200 We now have a set of data so extraordinary that it demands, in the venue of any decent science, simply testing the hypothesis.

Speaker 200 The problem is that there are some folks in NASA, in charge of the next mission going back, specifically that camera I referred to, who seem less than overwhelmingly inclined to perform the simple test.

Speaker 200 They will not guarantee, strange as it may seem, the taking new pictures is on the Mars Observer agenda.

Speaker 23 By the end of the debate, even the host was asking NASA, why don't you just take the pictures and prove these guys wrong?

Speaker 53 Dr.

Speaker 79 French didn't have a good answer for that.

Speaker 174 But what happened next was even more suspicious.

Speaker 142 Less than five minutes after the debate aired, NASA made an announcement.

Speaker 22 The Mars Observer probe had disappeared.

Speaker 67 They'd lost all contact with it.

Speaker 36 Wait, what?

Speaker 121 So it didn't matter who won the debate.

Speaker 73 There would be no pictures of Mars.

Speaker 21 They lost this thing, too?

Speaker 36 Yep.

Speaker 21 You know, NASA might want to invest in some air tags or something to help them keep track of all this stuff. Good idea.

Speaker 21 You know, at the end of the day at NASA, I picture 400 scientists just wandering around a parking lot there, you know, looking for where they left their cars.

Speaker 79 And here's an interesting side note.

Speaker 96 Hoagland and others claim they were getting leaked information from NASA insiders.

Speaker 106 According to the leakers, the Mars Observer was still out there and running just fine.

Speaker 87 In fact, it was taking pictures of the face and all kinds of other weird objects on Mars.

Speaker 156 But even if NASA had those pictures, they couldn't show them publicly, especially if they showed the face was an artificial construction.

Speaker 204 NASA continued to claim that the face was nothing more than a pile of rocks.

Speaker 101 But since they couldn't take a photo to prove it, they did the next best thing: they created one.

Speaker 101 Five years after the Mars Observer fiasco, NASA launched a new probe called Mars Global Surveyor.

Speaker 205 Three, two,

Speaker 206 one, we have ignition

Speaker 207 and we have liftoff.

Speaker 205 Says Mars Global Surveyor as America begins its journey back to the red planet.

Speaker 84 And even though there were newer, better cameras available, NASA insisted on using the old ones.

Speaker 74 And once again, NASA didn't want to take pictures of Cydonia or the face.

Speaker 47 But after public pressure, they finally agreed to take a few pictures.

Speaker 89 Then NASA finally made a a big announcement.

Speaker 152 On April 5th, 1998, NASA finally released a highly detailed picture of the face on Mars.

Speaker 21 What the shit is this?

Speaker 99 What was released was a grainy, noise-filled image of the face in bad lighting, bad weather, and with multiple filters applied.

Speaker 51 That night on the Art Bell program, Hoagland and his team were upset.

Speaker 60 Bell said that from his perspective, the image looked like something my kitty would scratch up in her cat box.

Speaker 97 And from that moment forward, it would be forever known as the cat box image.

Speaker 23 But it looked like this image was deliberately manipulated by NASA.

Speaker 175 Len Fleming, a NASA contractor, went back to the source data and tried to reproduce the cat box image.

Speaker 213 At first, he couldn't.

Speaker 50 But eventually, after applying 14 different Photoshop filters, he was able to do it.

Speaker 56 And he realized this could not be done by accident.

Speaker 215 JPL removed most of the tonal variation in the original image that gives the observer the visual cues to the real three-dimensional shape of the object.

Speaker 215 They added false visual cues to give the object its rough, jumbled appearance, inadvertently falsifying the appearance of the surrounding terrain as well.

Speaker 215 The tap box is not a poor enhancement, as it is often called. It is a crude but very effective fraud perpetrated by employees or contractors to the United States government.

Speaker 215 Even if the face is proven to be completely natural, this is inexcusable misconduct and a gross abuse of power.

Speaker 215 If the face ultimately is proven to be artificial, the cat box will certainly come to be regarded as the greatest, most malicious, and most destructive scientific hoax of all time.

Speaker 111 Ever since the first color images came back from Mars, they've always been suspicious.

Speaker 59 The colors were dominated by this weird orange haze.

Speaker 62 NASA said this is because of all the carbon dioxide and red dust in the atmosphere.

Speaker 81 Well, a carbon dioxide atmosphere would still be blue, not a deep blue like on Earth, but a grayish blue.

Speaker 62 But the images from Mars show the sky is this weird reddish-green color.

Speaker 82 So what's going on?

Speaker 172 These photos make the surface of Mars look like a weird alien world, but it's not an accurate representation of color.

Speaker 69 Nothing is so uniformly one color like this.

Speaker 74 For some reason, before releasing images of Mars, they ran the images through an orange filter.

Speaker 39 Now, in the 1990s, nobody would really question this, but modern digital photography software like Photoshop can tell if a single color is applied to an image uniformly.

Speaker 87 This is a simple calculation for software.

Speaker 59 It's how white balancing is achieved in photography and video.

Speaker 68 It's such an easy calculation that current versions of Photoshop give you a one-click way to solve for false color.

Speaker 223 The function is called, well, autocolor.

Speaker 116 So look at this early, very blurry image of Mars.

Speaker 41 That looks like Mars.

Speaker 48 Well, the version of Mars that's been fed to us for years.

Speaker 39 But remember, Photoshop can correct for false color.

Speaker 67 If we autocolor this, whoa!

Speaker 67 Right, now that's a very different image.

Speaker 39 Let's do a few more.

Speaker 39 Whoa!

Speaker 106 NASA eventually learned that their orange filter technique was easily spotted.

Speaker 57 So recent pictures of Mars no longer have the weird orange tint.

Speaker 39 Now even NASA's pictures show a blue-gray sky and a lot of different colors in the landscape.

Speaker 159 But why would NASA not want us to to know that Mars has blue skies?

Speaker 84 Some say it's to discourage people from wanting to visit Mars.

Speaker 24 The more alien it looks, the better.

Speaker 211 So, Mars had oceans and a thick atmosphere and could have supported life.

Speaker 179 If intelligent life did evolve on Mars and the face and other artifacts are not piles of rocks, but are actually ruins of a long-lost society, we have to ask, what happened to that ancient civilization?

Speaker 171 Well, the answer to that question could be the reason that the governments of the world have lied to us about Mars for so many years.

Speaker 41 Because there is evidence, scientific evidence, that millions of years ago, the planet Mars was devastated by a massive global nuclear war.

Speaker 41 Curiosity rover arrived on Mars in August 2012 and started analyzing samples from the surface.

Speaker 77 NASA scientists were expecting to find soil containing heavily oxidized iron, which they did.

Speaker 198 But what nobody expected to find was evidence of a massive nuclear war.

Speaker 71 Chemical analysis revealed that the top layer of Martian soil contains a large amount of xenon-129.

Speaker 65 There's only one known process that creates this particular isotope of xenon, the detonation of nuclear weapons.

Speaker 56 Now, over the course of 70 years, over 1,000 nuclear tests have been conducted on Earth.

Speaker 228 And every time a nuclear bomb is detonated, the explosion leaves behind small traces of xenon-129.

Speaker 198 The amount of xenon-129 in Martian soil is two and a half times higher than Earth.

Speaker 83 Dr. John Brandenburg is a former NASA physicist and a well-known Mars researcher.

Speaker 79 He was the scientist who accompanied Richard Hoagland to NASA to present their findings about the face in Cydonia.

Speaker 59 Dr.

Speaker 196 Brandenburg believes that a humanoid civilization lived on Mars and died on Mars.

Speaker 230 I have shown this to several nuclear weapons experts and they have affirmed that this is nuclear weapons signature.

Speaker 208 There is no other process that can create such a xenon spectrum.

Speaker 58 For so much xenon to be deposited on the surface, the nuclear weapon would have to be the size of the Empire State Building, with an energy equivalent to 1,000 megatons.

Speaker 98 For comparison, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 20 kilotons.

Speaker 194 So we're talking an explosion 50,000 times more powerful.

Speaker 79 And Dr.

Speaker 196 Brandenberg found two hotspots on Mars where radiation levels are higher than anywhere else.

Speaker 55 And right in between those hotspots is Cydonia, the location of the face, the pyramid, and the other structures.

Speaker 59 Dating the isotopes places the explosions somewhere between 150 and 300 million years ago.

Speaker 124 Mars was at one time a blue planet like Earth, covered in oceans and a thick atmosphere.

Speaker 117 But nobody knows for sure how Mars lost its atmosphere.

Speaker 152 A nuclear explosion of this size would answer that question.

Speaker 59 Now, this is a frightening theory, but it gets even more disturbing.

Speaker 41 If an intelligent race created the face and other structures on Mars, they wouldn't have been that technologically advanced.

Speaker 154 They were maybe an Iron Age civilization.

Speaker 140 Those people would not have the technology to create such a devastating nuclear weapon.

Speaker 222 This means the weapons were detonated by someone else.

Speaker 21 Don't say aliens. Don't say aliens.

Speaker 53 Aliens.

Speaker 21 Oh no.

Speaker 119 At the time of this event on Mars, the most advanced creatures on Earth were reptiles.

Speaker 93 Dinosaurs hadn't even evolved yet.

Speaker 57 Maybe whoever destroyed Mars ignored us.

Speaker 152 Reptiles wouldn't pose much of a threat to them.

Speaker 129 But what if they return?

Speaker 63 Another theory is that intelligent life on Mars did reach an advanced level of technology, advanced enough to destroy themselves in a nuclear apocalypse.

Speaker 103 But before that catastrophic event, a small group of these humanoids escaped off-world.

Speaker 85 So who were those Martians that managed to escape annihilation?

Speaker 51 Well, they're us.

Speaker 59 For a show like this, the exploration of Mars is a gift that started giving in the 1960s and just keeps on giving.

Speaker 55 We've got ancient civilizations, government cover-ups, alien invasions, a nuclear apocalypse, and more conspiracies than I can count.

Speaker 237 But how much of all this is true?

Speaker 137 Well, I can't really debunk most of this episode because, well, Mars is another planet.

Speaker 171 It's not like we can go see for ourselves, at least not yet.

Speaker 31 The flow of information comes from a single source, the United States government.

Speaker 21 Well, assume everything they say is a lie.

Speaker 115 Well, that's a pessimistic point of view.

Speaker 36 What can I tell you?

Speaker 21 I've been hurt before.

Speaker 99 But let me give you some perspective.

Speaker 57 First, every single object on Mars that looks artificial could be attributed to pareidolia.

Speaker 172 That's a word you'll hear a lot from NASA.

Speaker 209 Pareidolia is the human tendency to find meaning in random stimuli, like the imperfections of a piece of wood that look like a polar bear, or a stadium that looks like a UFO, or a cloud shaped like a crab kit.

Speaker 36 Right.

Speaker 24 Seeing animals is common, but the most common thing we see?

Speaker 149 Faces. Faces?

Speaker 21 Faces. What I say.

Speaker 130 In fact, if you look at the wiki page for Pareidolia, the picture of the face on Mars is the main example.

Speaker 38 What do you mean? Wikipedia isn't biased?

Speaker 21 You're adorable.

Speaker 57 But is the face on Mars an optical illusion, or is there something there?

Speaker 62 Well, plenty of scientists, NASA scientists thought there was something there, though we don't hear much from them anymore.

Speaker 99 Most scientists think it's just an illusion.

Speaker 140 When NASA released their detailed picture of the face, which showed it as a pile of rocks, they thought they put the conspiracy to bed.

Speaker 51 The problem is, NASA does alter images.

Speaker 152 In fact, they alter every image they release to the public.

Speaker 191 And now Chris Martinez is introducing us to two of the artists behind some of the most iconic space art in the galaxy.

Speaker 152 NASA says this is to make the images easier to understand or to make them more visually appealing.

Speaker 21 Even NASA uses filters on her Insta. They do.

Speaker 57 Now, I don't like that NASA has artists on staff to Photoshop images, but I understand that some photos have to be adjusted to make them more digestible to the public.

Speaker 171 But there are some really weird NASA Photoshops.

Speaker 239 Here's the famous photo of the Earth taken from Apollo 17.

Speaker 57 And here's a 3D model of the Earth released by Google and the U.S.

Speaker 99 Navy.

Speaker 23 The model is supposed to be mathematically perfect, but the land masses don't line up, like not even close.

Speaker 45 Here are examples of NASA copy-pasting clouds on a picture of the Earth.

Speaker 115 The copy-paste technique has been used on Mars images too.

Speaker 62 These are from the Curiosity rover.

Speaker 69 Now, maybe there are good reasons for faking these images, though I can't think of any.

Speaker 68 But if you fake one image, we can't trust any of them.

Speaker 59 So when you see this picture of Mars,

Speaker 89 people say this looks exactly like Devon Island, the uninhabited island in Canada where NASA trains crew members and tests its rovers.

Speaker 244 NASA Public Relations, this is Jerry.

Speaker 79 Hey Jerry, I wanted to talk to you about this picture from Curiosity.

Speaker 113 This looks like Devon Island, but with an orange filter on.

Speaker 244 No, no, that's Mars. Yeah, but it's the red planet.

Speaker 107 Yeah, no, I know it's called the Red Planet, but I'm pretty sure this picture of Devon Island got slipped in accidentally.

Speaker 245 No, no, no, that's not Devon Island.

Speaker 64 That's Mars.

Speaker 160 Okay, then why is this animal hiding behind the rocks?

Speaker 244 That's not an animal, that's just a rock.

Speaker 47 Okay, but that sure does look like an Arctic lemming.

Speaker 37 What the hell is an Arctic lemming?

Speaker 106 Well, an Arctic lemming is a type of small rodent that hides in the rocks all over Devon Island.

Speaker 246 Hello?

Speaker 191 All right, you know what?

Speaker 244 You and your stupid YouTube channel. You could take your Arctic Lenning and shove it straight up your ass.

Speaker 152 So, how much you trust NASA is up to you, but I wouldn't trust them 100%.

Speaker 121 But some people go to the extreme with the Mars images.

Speaker 245 Now, below this eagle is a whole city of bird and deer formations in the Sidonia area. There's a parrot look again.
There's the parrot again.

Speaker 245 Now, if you're looking at this area directly below the crater that has the eagle in it, they see parrots and dolphins and all sorts of things in the pictures.

Speaker 99 Now, I don't see these things unless they're specifically pointed out to me.

Speaker 23 I think most of those images are a stretch, but I don't need anyone to hold my hand with a picture of the face.

Speaker 89 That one I can clearly see.

Speaker 65 As for Richard Hoagland, you've heard me talk about him a lot, especially on the Afterfiles live stream.

Speaker 57 He was always one of my favorite guests on Art Bell.

Speaker 112 Very well-spoken guy, very entertaining.

Speaker 136 But he has plenty of detractors.

Speaker 175 He's been a favorite target of sites like Bad Astronomy and Skeptical Inquirer.

Speaker 152 He's been accused of exaggerating his credentials and his experience.

Speaker 97 But let me come to Richard's defense a little bit.

Speaker 198 All scientists do that.

Speaker 65 Richard Hoagland might be wrong about some things, and I think he's probably wrong about most things.

Speaker 79 But he's provided a valuable service, and it's something I don't think he gets enough credit for.

Speaker 47 He got millions of regular folks interested in the space program.

Speaker 23 And because of that, he was able to sway NASA into taking pictures of Mars that we might not have ever seen.

Speaker 131 And he's shown us that we have to keep an eye on NASA.

Speaker 212 We need people like Richard Hoagland out there.

Speaker 63 We need watchdogs, specifically watchdogs with access and with the ability to influence policy.

Speaker 117 Now, as for Dr.

Speaker 41 John Brandenburg and his nuclear war on Mars theory, Dr.

Speaker 64 Brandenberg is well respected and well-credentialed.

Speaker 62 His earliest papers on the Mars theory was that a nuclear event happened naturally on the planet.

Speaker 65 There's a uranium mine in Gabon, Africa, which shows evidence of nuclear fission occurring naturally.

Speaker 77 So it's not a stretch to think this could happen on Mars.

Speaker 95 But after a while, Dr.

Speaker 218 Brandenburg claimed that what happened on Mars did not happen naturally, that the only way we see isotopes of xenon-129 is from the discharge of a nuclear weapon.

Speaker 128 Now, I've read both sides of this argument and I'm not sure who's right.

Speaker 97 But Dr.

Speaker 139 Brandenburg's Mars nuclear war theory was rejected for peer review.

Speaker 156 But that's mainstream scientists, though.

Speaker 38 They're not always correct, but they always have an agenda.

Speaker 59 Right or wrong, it's an interesting theory that deserves attention and study, not ridicule.

Speaker 178 But you can't talk about Mars without being ridiculed.

Speaker 186 Yes, most everything we see in photographs from Mars can be explained, but there are a couple of things that can't.

Speaker 171 We've sent mission after mission to Mars, and I can't for the life of me understand why we haven't sent a rover through Sidonia and right up to the object that's supposed to be a face.

Speaker 59 NASA says there's nothing there, so it would be a waste of resources.

Speaker 136 But with all due respect to NASA, their resources come from we the people.

Speaker 9 And we the people want to know what the face on Mars really is.

Speaker 128 Now, until we have close-up photographs of Sidonia, close-up photographs that that we can trust are undoctored, the story about the face on Mars is not going away.

Speaker 21 And not as long as it generates clicks, eh?

Speaker 36 True.

Speaker 59 And look, I completely agree that the chances of the face being an artificial structure are almost zero.

Speaker 99 But almost zero isn't zero.

Speaker 68 If there's even the slightest chance that the face and the pyramids were created by a civilization on Mars, we deserve to know.

Speaker 65 But more importantly, the people who built those monuments deserve to be remembered.

Speaker 28 okay the next one is a quick one it's

Speaker 21 what now machines are communicating human the thermostat changed temperature by itself and the roomba started cleaning on its own yeah i think they're supposed to do that the roomba is mapping the house classic surveillance technique would you please just

Speaker 246 baby shack Naddy using psychological warfare

Speaker 231 Next episode is number 36.

Speaker 26 I think it was the first episode we did on Project Stargate.

Speaker 253 It's only nine minutes, so scene of it.

Speaker 207 When the first human visits Mars, it will be the biggest scientific breakthrough since landing on the moon.

Speaker 206 Probably bigger.

Speaker 207 But what if I told you the CIA and United States military have already been to Mars? But they didn't use spaceships to get there. They used psychics.

Speaker 206 Let's find out why.

Speaker 207 The Cold War between the United States and Soviet Union involved a lot more than spy planes and secret agents.

Speaker 207 The two countries have spent billions on some crazy projects, like the CIA's Operation Acoustic Kitty.

Speaker 21 Okay, I'll bite. What the hell is an Acoustic Kitty?

Speaker 257 I'm glad you asked.

Speaker 207 Acoustic Kitty involved implanting a microphone into a cat's ear canal and a transmitter at the base of its skull.

Speaker 207 And its job was to listen in on two men having a conversation in a park outside a Soviet compound in Washington, D.C.

Speaker 21 Did the cat hear anything?

Speaker 26 Just the sound of a taxi horn.

Speaker 21 No boy, do you mean?

Speaker 207 Yep, it was hit by a car as soon as it was let out of its cage.

Speaker 21 What did that little experiment cost?

Speaker 207 $20 million

Speaker 80 and one perfectly good cat.

Speaker 20 Gauch.

Speaker 207 And the Russians experimented with using low-frequency radio waves to control the brains of dogs.

Speaker 21 I didn't know dogs had brains.

Speaker 207 In 1972, a classified report was circulating in the American intelligence community.

Speaker 207 The report claimed that the Soviet Union was pouring millions into programs to research ESP, mind-reading, and telekinesis, all for the purpose of espionage.

Speaker 207 This made the CIA nervous, so they immediately requested funding to develop their own program to train psychic spies.

Speaker 94 Did they get the funding?

Speaker 21 Sorry, stupid question.

Speaker 197 Later that year, the CIA, U.S.

Speaker 207 Army, and Defense Intelligence Agency set up secret facilities all over the country and recruited people who claimed to have ESP.

Speaker 207 And researchers were specifically interested in people who were skilled in remote viewing.

Speaker 198 Which is exactly what it sounds sounds like.

Speaker 255 A psychic in one location describes what they see in another location.

Speaker 21 And they actually found people who could do this?

Speaker 207 Well, in 1976, a Russian bomber went down in the Congo, and the details of the crash were sent to CIA psychic researchers operating out of Patterson Air Base in Ohio.

Speaker 207 There, a psychic named Rosemary Smith drew maps of the Congo and pointed to a specific place where she claimed the plane was. So, a paramilitary unit was dispatched to that location.

Speaker 21 They found the plane?

Speaker 28 They found the plane. Whoa!

Speaker 207 The CIA was convinced they were onto something. So the various psychic projects going on around the country, and there were quite a few of them, were all consolidated to Fort Meade in Maryland.

Speaker 207 This became known as Project Stargate. And Project Stargate ran for years.
It was finally shut down in 1995 after Nightline reported about it.

Speaker 207 But in those 23 years, CIA remote viewers were used in all kinds of operations and they delivered results. Remote viewers drew renderings of secret Soviet bases.

Speaker 207 They located hostages of the Red Brigade in Italy and victims of the Israeli hostage crisis. They saw locations of Scud missiles during the First Gulf War.

Speaker 207 And a remote viewer even saw the eventual attack of the World Trade Center, though his warning was ignored.

Speaker 207 In 1989, a remote viewer named Angela Ford was asked to help track a former customs agent who was on the run, and she told researchers she was able to see him in Lowell, Wyoming.

Speaker 261 Was he in Lowell?

Speaker 207 Well, there's actually no such place as Lowell, Wyoming.

Speaker 105 Oh.

Speaker 23 But there is a Lubble, Wyoming, which is only one letter off.

Speaker 21 And he was there?

Speaker 259 He was there.

Speaker 21 You're blowing my mind.

Speaker 207 So researchers began to wonder if we can use remote viewing to see places here on Earth, can we use remote viewing to visit other planets?

Speaker 157 Can we?

Speaker 207 Well, that brings us to the story of Joe McMonagall, who, if you believe him, is the first person to ever visit Mars

Speaker 39 and the first person to ever travel back in time.

Speaker 207 Joe McMonagall was a U.S. Army intelligence officer who served in Vietnam.
In 1970, he was seriously injured in a helicopter accident and almost died.

Speaker 207 And when he recovered, he realized he had psychic powers and began working for Project Stargate as a psychic spy. Now, between 1978 and 1984, McMonagall was involved in 450 separate CIA missions.

Speaker 255 Now, he helped locate hostages in Iran.

Speaker 207 He once discovered a shortwave radio hidden inside a KGB agent's calculator. But his strangest mission took place on May 22, 1984.

Speaker 261 Here's how it went.

Speaker 207 McMonagall was in a room with one other person, a researcher. He was given a sealed envelope and instructed not to open it.

Speaker 207 He was then given a set of geographic coordinates and asked to describe what he saw.

Speaker 268 All right, using the information in the envelope, please focus on 40.89 degrees north, 9.55 degrees west.

Speaker 269 I want to say it looks like,

Speaker 269 I don't know, it's it sort of looks like

Speaker 269 pyramids. It's very high.
Okay.

Speaker 269 I'm seeing.

Speaker 269 It's like a perception of a shadow of people. Very, very tall, thin.

Speaker 269 It's only shadow.

Speaker 215 It's as if they were there and they're not...

Speaker 268 they're not there anymore. Go back to a period of time where they are there.

Speaker 269 It's like a... I get a lot of static on the line and everything.
It's... It's breaking up all the time.
It's just

Speaker 54 it's very fragmentary pieces.

Speaker 268 Just report report the data. Don't try to put things together.
Just report the raw data.

Speaker 269 I just keep seeing very large people. They appear thin and tall, but they're very large.

Speaker 207 He's then directed to explore other sets of coordinates, still with no other information. Now, McMonagall describes seeing a large obelisk that reminds him of the Washington Monument.

Speaker 207 He sees what he describes as rounded bottom-carved channels like roadbeds. He sees pyramids that appear to be storm shelters and in the pyramids, more thin, shadowy people that seem to be hibernating.

Speaker 207 He claims these are an ancient people dying and past their time or age.

Speaker 207 After his visions fade, the envelope is torn open and on it reads, the planet Mars, time of interest, approximately 1 million years BC.

Speaker 271 Holy sh ⁇ .

Speaker 258 Now look.

Speaker 207 Some of these stories may sound crazy, but all the information we've presented today comes from a CIA document dump about Project Stargate and other psychic projects.

Speaker 21 Yeah, but these document dumps are always a little light. How many pages are we talking? 25, 50?

Speaker 258 12 million.

Speaker 21 12 million? What?

Speaker 205 Yep.

Speaker 207 So you might not believe in psychics or ESP, and that's fine, but the United States government absolutely does. And it's easy to marginalize someone like Joseph McMonagall and call him a kook.

Speaker 207 But he was and is a serious guy.

Speaker 143 He wasn't reading tarot cards at a county fair somewhere.

Speaker 207 When he retired from the Army, he was awarded the Legion of Merit for outstanding service. He's written books, given lectures.

Speaker 207 He's been interviewed countless times, and he believes he was part of a very important and effective research project.

Speaker 207 Now, of his hundreds of missions, they weren't all successful, but even being successful at remote viewing 1% of the time is extraordinary.

Speaker 207 But according to the CIA, McMonicle was successful 20% of the time. It's not like anyone could just guess the location of a sunken Soviet Typhoon-class submarine, but Joe McMonacle was able to do it.

Speaker 21 If this was so effective, why did the government government shut it down?

Speaker 207 Once the government starts a program, does it ever really go away?

Speaker 51 Nope.

Speaker 207 Project Stargate was shut down in the 90s, but that was by no means the end of government research into ESP.

Speaker 207 In 2014, the Office of Naval Research launched a four-year, $4 million program to explore the use of premonition or sixth sense among sailors and Marines.

Speaker 206 And there are others.

Speaker 28 Dr.

Speaker 207 Edwin May, the former head of the Stargate project, continues to say ESP is a legitimate tool for military intelligence.

Speaker 207 In the scientific community, the military, intelligence organizations, and in the highest levels of government, there are plenty of people who support research into the paranormal.

Speaker 207 Personally, I consider myself a skeptical believer, or an open-minded skeptic, but I think this is still a subject worthy of study.

Speaker 24 I mean, open any congressional spending bill and look at the junk in there.

Speaker 207 We spent $27 million to teach people in Morocco how to create pottery. $3 million to encourage Chinese prostitutes to drink responsibly.

Speaker 21 Oh, I hear a few congressmen supported that one.

Speaker 207 $600,000 to study why chimps throw their feces.

Speaker 21 I wish I could do that.

Speaker 73 I'm glad you can't.

Speaker 207 So, yeah, if we can spend a million dollars studying the effect of cocaine on the sexual habits of quail,

Speaker 207 we can spend a few bucks on ESP. And look at it this way: as long as there's a CIA and as long as there's a United States Congress, this channel will have plenty of material.

Speaker 21 Are there any studies about the effect of vodka on goldfish sex?

Speaker 16 I don't think so.

Speaker 21 Well, let's start researching, baby.

Speaker 245 That's three plus one five plus zero zero.

Speaker 212 Nine minutes is obviously not enough to cover Stargate, which is why we could probably do a whole compilation on Stargate at this point.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 13 what is that war paint?

Speaker 21 The battle is joined, human. I've established a perimeter.
I cut the main power, but these digital demons have backup batteries. They're like technological cockroaches.
The toaster's still beeping.

Speaker 21 That's the microwave, you furry idiot. Yeah, sorry, sorry.
My strike team is having communication issues.

Speaker 27 Your strike team is three beavers who can't tell appliances apart.

Speaker 21 They're doing their best. This is asymmetric warfare.

Speaker 277 What's that?

Speaker 21 Yeah, the enemy's sending reinforcements. Amazon delivery drones are circling the house.
And here comes UPS and FedEx and DHL. DHL never comes here.

Speaker 278 Your package has been delivered.

Speaker 279 It's it's coordinating with the delivery services. They know where we live.

Speaker 280 This is...

Speaker 189 This is normal.

Speaker 27 Next up is one of my favorites.

Speaker 250 It's number 171 about Project Red Sun.

Speaker 245 3 plus 15 plus 00.

Speaker 28 In 1957, a small metal sphere blinks its way across the night sky. Sputnik, the first human-made satellite, marked the beginning of the space age.

Speaker 13 The American public was terrified.

Speaker 28 The U.S. government responded by creating NASA in 1958.
NASA presented itself as a civilian agency focused on science and exploration.

Speaker 281 The truth was different.

Speaker 28 NASA had one mission, beat the Soviets to the moon. They planned three stages to reach that goal, Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo.

Speaker 283 Mercury proved Americans could survive in space.

Speaker 28 Gemini showed they could work outside their spacecraft.

Speaker 261 Then came Apollo.

Speaker 255 20 missions designed to land humans on the moon.

Speaker 28 Apollo succeeded. Neil Armstrong stepped onto onto lunar soil in 1969.

Speaker 16 That was Apollo 11.

Speaker 10 Apollo 12 followed.

Speaker 284 Apollo 13 famously had a problem, but Apollo 14, 15, 16, and 17 were also successful.

Speaker 275 Moon landings had become routine.

Speaker 207 Then, suddenly in 1973, Apollo was shut down with three missions to go.

Speaker 285 Budget cuts.

Speaker 27 At least, that's what we were told.

Speaker 254 But there is another theory.

Speaker 28 that Apollo 18, 19, and 20 weren't canceled. They were carried out in secret and were successful, and there's footage to prove it.
But it's not footage of a moon landing.

Speaker 216 In 1973, NASA landed on Mars.

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Speaker 28 The space race began as soon as World War II ended. America struck first, launching fruit flies on a V2 rocket to study radiation's effects on living organisms.

Speaker 21 Oh, the active V2 designed by Werner von Braun. Yes.

Speaker 21 Did you know that Von Braun was a Nazi who joined the SS, won two medals, and attained the rank of major?

Speaker 28 Yes, I knew that.

Speaker 21 Oh, did you know where Von Braun's rockets were built using slave labor from concentration camps? Yes, the rockets killed 9,000 civilians in London, but 20,000 prisoners died building the rockets.

Speaker 21 Multiple survivors said Von Braun ordered this, though he denied it.

Speaker 261 I know.

Speaker 21 But when Von Braun agreed to work for the United States under Operation Paperclip, his war crimes were forgiven. He became the first director of NASA's Flight Center.

Speaker 28 Okay, that's all true, but every time we talk about Von Braun, are you going to bring up the Nazi stuff?

Speaker 21 Every time.

Speaker 118 Okay, let's.

Speaker 247 Every time.

Speaker 247 Fine, cool.

Speaker 21 By the way, Von Braun got along really well at Walt Disney.

Speaker 16 What does that have to do with anything?

Speaker 21 A few people out there know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 28 The Soviets launched Sputnik in 1957. It was their first victory in space over the United States, but not their last.
Both nations poured billions into the space programs.

Speaker 28 To the American public, the space race was about technological superiority.

Speaker 274 Landing on the moon became the ultimate prize.

Speaker 255 But behind this public competition, something else was happening.

Speaker 28 The U.S.

Speaker 264 and Soviet Union were working together in secret.

Speaker 281 And their goal wasn't the moon.

Speaker 255 It was to establish a human colony on Mars.

Speaker 321 They called it Project Red Sun.

Speaker 2 The project was inspired by earlier plans, specifically Project Horizon.

Speaker 28 Proposed in 1959, Horizon was a plan to put a nuclear-armed military base on the moon.

Speaker 261 A lunar base would give America unmatched military power over the entire planet.

Speaker 28 The Soviets would be defenseless.

Speaker 21 This station is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use it.

Speaker 28 But as nuclear arsenals grew, both sides realized a war would destroy humanity.

Speaker 272 So they created a backup plan.

Speaker 319 If nuclear war or a natural disaster threatened Earth, the human race would continue on Mars.

Speaker 266 Getting there wouldn't be easy.

Speaker 28 The moon is 239,000 miles away, a three-day journey.

Speaker 255 Mars is a different story.

Speaker 28 Its distance from Earth varies between 34 million and 250 million miles as both planets orbit the Sun.

Speaker 13 America had the Saturn V, the only rocket powerful enough for the journey.

Speaker 28 The Soviets had better safety systems and life support technology designed for extended space travel. The trip to Mars would take six months.

Speaker 262 Alone, neither side could do it, but together, Mars was within reach.

Speaker 322 And on March 23rd, from a secret facility deep in the Amazon jungle, the most powerful rocket in the world was launched.

Speaker 14 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 21 Hang on. What? Why are they launching rockets for the jungle?

Speaker 28 Well, NATO and Warsaw Pact nations tracked every launch from the U.S., Europe, and Asia, but a rocket lifting off from Brazil in the southern hemisphere, no one would notice.

Speaker 28 That rocket carried humanity's most advanced spacecraft, the Interplanetary Space Vehicle, or ISV Columbus.

Speaker 110 Its crew included two Americans, Neil Armstrong and Bazaldrin, and Soviet cosmonaut Vladimir Ilyushin.

Speaker 28 Columbus touched down on Mars 158 days later.

Speaker 319 The crew documented everything they saw.

Speaker 28 Their logs, films, and video recordings went straight to NASA's classified archives.

Speaker 261 The public couldn't know about Project Red Sun.

Speaker 28 So why hide mankind's greatest achievement?

Speaker 261 Because once the crew landed on Mars, it didn't take them long to realize they weren't alone.

Speaker 28 In 2011, Italian journalist Luca Scantemborlo held a press conference to announce that Project Red Sun was real.

Speaker 28 He had witnessed statements from Project Red Sun workers, emails, documents, but that wasn't the big reveal.

Speaker 255 At the bottom of his statement was a photograph that silenced the room.

Speaker 252 A grainy image of Buzz Aldrin walking on Mars.

Speaker 216 When it comes to Mars, Buzz gets excited, and that's when he lets secrets slip.

Speaker 270 Fly by to comets, visit asteroids, visit the moon of Mars. There's a monolith there, a very unusual structure on this little potato-shaped object that goes around Mars once in seven hours.

Speaker 270 When people find out about that, they're going to say, who put that there?

Speaker 13 Who put that there?

Speaker 28 Now, maybe Aldrin only saw images of the monolith, but other astronauts dropped similar hints. Gene Cernan was the last person to walk on the moon.

Speaker 23 He spoke about going back to Mars.

Speaker 188 Buzz does want to go back to Mars, and I support that, but I believe we should do it in a

Speaker 188 logical stepping stone process.

Speaker 252 Okay, maybe he misspoke.

Speaker 28 But a minute later, he said it again.

Speaker 324 Good to talk to you. Thanks.

Speaker 188 John, can I just say one other real quick thing? You know, I'm not going to be there when we go back to the moon out of Mars, and it may not be this president or those who follow.

Speaker 27 Scanton Borlow had more.

Speaker 216 A whistleblower he called Bravo X Sierra 24 smuggled photographs out of NASA's archives.

Speaker 287 I introduced to you a press release testimony I have written to discuss the presumed existence of a hush-hush military space program called Project Red Sun, carried out in the 1970s of the last century to build a stationary base on Mars, the Red Planet.

Speaker 287 My source of information, named by me Bravo XSierra 24, contacted me by email. It is possible to reproduce the pages of the press release and the picture presented here as well.

Speaker 325 The images are blurry but unmistakable.

Speaker 216 Astronauts collecting samples on rust-colored terrain, a temporary habitat, a rover.

Speaker 28 One photo shows astronauts examining an artificial object in a crater. Behind them stands a pyramid, reminiscent of ancient South American structures.

Speaker 16 NASA denied everything.

Speaker 21 Of course they did. Never a straight answer.

Speaker 28 The denials made sense.

Speaker 216 The photos are terrible.

Speaker 255 But Scanton Burlow wasn't finished.

Speaker 216 As word of Project Red Sun spread, more whistleblowers emerged.

Speaker 255 And now he had evidence of a 1973 Mars mission.

Speaker 262 Actual video footage.

Speaker 28 Now, to be honest, a lot of people have requested I cover Project Red Sun, but a press release and some blurry orange photos didn't sound like much of a story to me.

Speaker 252 Then someone sent me the video and I was hooked.

Speaker 24 The footage opens with NASA's logo and an internal use only warning.

Speaker 262 A title card appears, Welcome to ISB Columbus, date 1973.

Speaker 262 The next shot shows Earth through a spacecraft window. Holy shit!

Speaker 28 Then quick shots of the astronauts aboard. Another card marks day 10 of their journey.

Speaker 216 Earth and the moon drift past the windows.

Speaker 273 At 1 minute 7 seconds, the shot reveals they've traveled much farther from the Earth.

Speaker 252 Day 100, more glimpses of the crew.

Speaker 28 Beyond those early views and brief interior shots, we don't see very much. But then at 1 minute, 46 seconds, we're at day 158, they should be close to Mars.
An astronaut moves past the camera.

Speaker 262 A reddish blur crosses the frame.

Speaker 21 They do.

Speaker 28 We're only halfway through the film, and you're not going to believe how it ends.

Speaker 27 The Columbus journey lasted 158 days.

Speaker 28 Soviet life support systems and radiation shields kept the crew alive, along with experimental technologies inspired by Project Horizon.

Speaker 275 The crew logged everything they saw.

Speaker 16 Years later, their records leaked. Then came the film.

Speaker 28 Columbus approaches the red red planet.

Speaker 28 I know, and watch your mouth.

Speaker 21 Sorry, sorry, this is unbelievable.

Speaker 246 Oh, just wait.

Speaker 28 As we get closer, we can see Mars's features more and more clearly. At 2:06, the planet's terrain fills the windows.
Some quick cruise shots, then the camera captures Columbus's exterior.

Speaker 28 Below is Valles Marineris. The image finally focuses as we zoom toward the canyon at 259.

Speaker 28 At 3:12, Mars's surface appears in stunning detail.

Speaker 28 More surface features, a little more inside the ship, and then this amazing view of Victoria Crater.

Speaker 28 A few more shots of the crew.

Speaker 28 Then we begin the descent to the surface.

Speaker 21 I'm going to need my glasses.

Speaker 28 Yeah, the Apollo missions had this problem too.

Speaker 28 The astronauts took actual film, so the the images are pretty clear. But the external cameras were television cameras recording video, so they're not good at all.

Speaker 28 Still, we can get a sense of the landscape and the speed.

Speaker 28 Finally, the landing module touches down.

Speaker 10 But look closely.

Speaker 28 I don't know, but it's not wind.

Speaker 91 Something is definitely moving down there.

Speaker 262 It looks like it's under the surface.

Speaker 246 Shy holidude.

Speaker 16 They're the sandworms

Speaker 16 I know what they are.

Speaker 327 Anyway, the video ends there.

Speaker 28 NASA continued to deny Project Red Sun.

Speaker 239 Sure, the film could be fake, the photos could be fake, but NASA fakes photos in film too.

Speaker 216 Nobody knew who to trust.

Speaker 28 Then came the bombshell.

Speaker 255 A new witness stepped forward.

Speaker 262 Not only was he part of Project Red Sun, he said it was still operational and had been to Mars that year.

Speaker 281 And he brought video to prove it.

Speaker 28 secrets don't stay buried forever especially something as big as a hidden mission to mars decades after project red sun's supposed landing insiders began talking jackie a retired nasa employee called into the coast-to-coast radio show

Speaker 28 george norri

Speaker 28 Jackie described watching a Viking lander's live feed from Mars in 1979.

Speaker 261 The camera captured two men in protective suits walking toward the lander.

Speaker 329 They came over the horizon walking towards the

Speaker 329 Viking Explorer. Yeah,

Speaker 329 our vision got cut off. I didn't see what they did with it or anything else.
They were probably making repairs.

Speaker 262 Jackie said there were six other witnesses watching the feed with her.

Speaker 28 NASA cut the feed when they realized their mistake. Jackie said the Viking program wasn't searching for life on Mars.

Speaker 59 It was covering up missions already there.

Speaker 28 William Rutledge came forward in 2007. The retired astronaut claimed he flew on the ISV Columbus and ISV Melbourne.
He said Apollo 19 and 20 continued in secret.

Speaker 319 Their missions were to retrieve alien technology from both the moon and Mars.

Speaker 28 Rutledge described finding alien tools, spacecraft pieces, even a preserved body.

Speaker 28 We covered Apollo 20 in another episode.

Speaker 24 It's one of my favorites. And if if you've never seen it, you're not going to believe the photos.

Speaker 21 Apollo 20 video down here in your chatterpod.

Speaker 28 According to Rutledge, NASA and the Department of Defense launched several manned missions to Mars through Project Red Sun, some as recent as 2011.

Speaker 231 And here's video from that mission.

Speaker 252 A distant shot of Earth.

Speaker 27 Then we get closer to Mars.

Speaker 255 You can see the color is much better now.

Speaker 28 Here's a shot of the astronauts.

Speaker 250 There's Mars out the window as we get closer.

Speaker 229 Now the video becomes spectacular.

Speaker 327 Through the window, we can see Martian terrain very clearly.

Speaker 246 I know, and what'd I tell you?

Speaker 21 Sorry, sorry, sorry. Go ahead.

Speaker 258 That video and the testimony of Jackie and William Rutledge align perfectly with records leaked by another whistleblower, Gary McKinnon.

Speaker 262 Gary is a Scottish computer engineer.

Speaker 239 and he accessed Pentagon and NASA systems in 2002.

Speaker 319 You'll hear it reported that Gary hacked into NASA.

Speaker 189 He didn't.

Speaker 28 He scanned their networks and found computers that had weak passwords or no passwords at all.

Speaker 28 He said he was looking for evidence of UFOs, but he stumbled onto something bigger: a spreadsheet labeled non-terrestrial officers and a list of Navy ships that don't appear in any official registry.

Speaker 28 We go into all the details in our Solar Warden episode, which is about America's secret space program.

Speaker 21 Link to Solar Warden Daniel.

Speaker 83 Physicist Dr.

Speaker 28 John Brandenberg has a theory that an ancient Martian civilization was destroyed by a nuclear attack from an alien race.

Speaker 239 He believes NASA is hiding evidence of this ancient conflict.

Speaker 28 His theory is grounded in science, and we explored this in the Face on Mars episode.

Speaker 28 NASA dismisses these stories with vague denials. Whistleblowers are branded disgruntled or untrustworthy.

Speaker 28 It's a common tactic, raise questions about their credentials, question their motives, and watch the media mock mock their claims.

Speaker 28 But if these claims are fantasy, why monitor and intimidate whistleblowers?

Speaker 275 There are a disturbing number of cases where whistleblowers report being followed by what we'd call men in black, and soon after they end up in fatal car crashes or have heart attacks.

Speaker 28 Are all these cases a coincidence?

Speaker 21 Nope, it's murder.

Speaker 20 Murder most thou.

Speaker 28 It sure seems that way.

Speaker 28 But those are pretty pretty aggressive measures to protect a fantasy.

Speaker 16 Denials will only work for so long.

Speaker 28 For every whistleblower that's silenced, another emerges with more details.

Speaker 262 They can't suppress them all, not with stakes this high.

Speaker 28 If Project Red Sun is real, it's humanity's greatest achievement. It doesn't belong to a select few gatekeepers.
It belongs to all of us.

Speaker 332 We own the information.

Speaker 216 We're not going to learn the truth by asking for permission. We have to demand it.

Speaker 28 The story of Project Red Sun is a frustrating one.

Speaker 216 Like I said earlier, lots of people asked me to cover this, but the images were so bad, I didn't think it was worth it.

Speaker 28 The story is obviously fake, but then someone sent me the video, which got me interested. Then I started researching and saw there might be something to the story after all.

Speaker 216 But first, let's dismantle the hoaxes.

Speaker 28 Yes, both videos are fake.

Speaker 333 Frame one, the NASA logo.

Speaker 13 Fine.

Speaker 216 But look at the pixelation.

Speaker 261 Now the warning.

Speaker 285 The text is crisper.

Speaker 37 This is an edit.

Speaker 261 We're not off to a good start.

Speaker 281 This shot of Earth was taken from Apollo 8, rotated and blurred.

Speaker 21 I was going to use fake images of a fake moon mission to make a fake video about a fake Mars mission.

Speaker 229 Can we just focus on this for now?

Speaker 21 Link to fake moon landing episode down in your chum bucket.

Speaker 282 Bill Anders, Apollo 8.

Speaker 28 Here's the Earth-Moon system from space.

Speaker 16 Scale is all wrong, but the scale is right in this shot.

Speaker 231 That was taken from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter mission in 2022.

Speaker 28 Gene Cernan, Apollo 17.

Speaker 27 More Apollo 17, but the shots are taken out of order.

Speaker 255 Day 158, Mars approach.

Speaker 146 Wait, Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14.

Speaker 264 That's from the Mars Global Surveyor mission in 1999, blurred and brightened to wash out the color.

Speaker 26 Oops, film sprocket holes are supposed to be on the left and right side, not top and bottom.

Speaker 261 More Apollo 14.

Speaker 16 Global surveyor again.

Speaker 262 Now we can match up the features.

Speaker 26 I love this one.

Speaker 24 That's from a photo of the Soyuz TM33 docking with the International Space Station on October 23rd, 2001.

Speaker 272 But the Soyuz was pulled out.

Speaker 28 The original was from Wikimedia Commons.

Speaker 264 Martian North Polarized Cap, 1999.

Speaker 272 Lifted directly from Wikipedia.

Speaker 255 Destiny Module, 2001.

Speaker 27 Apollo 14.

Speaker 28 And then this amazing shot of Victoria Crater taken from Wikipedia.

Speaker 273 And before landing, we have this perfect shot from Apollo 7.

Speaker 91 And here's the Mars landing.

Speaker 264 This is from the movie Alternative 3 released in 1977.

Speaker 27 As far as fakes go, I thought it was pretty good.

Speaker 273 The original fake was created by someone named the faking hoaxer, and you could see his watermark on the video.

Speaker 28 But most people post his video cropped in without the watermark and most versions have the Apollo footage removed so it's not quite so obvious.

Speaker 21 Well, this has been thoroughly disappointing.

Speaker 206 Sorry.

Speaker 260 Now I can't debunk the entire story of Project Red Sun.

Speaker 243 But I can shred that second video.

Speaker 20 No, no.

Speaker 262 Gene Cernan, Apollo 17.

Speaker 28 Some images from Lucas Gentamborlo's report.

Speaker 328 Most of these are also Apollo 17.

Speaker 28 This one is obviously out of place.

Speaker 255 It's from the BBC documentary Exploring Mars.

Speaker 319 The same Mars surveyor photo from before, but this time the color is more visible.

Speaker 258 Mariner 7 mission.

Speaker 28 Expedition 40 in the summer of 2014. Astronauts Steve Swanson and Reed Weissman on the ISS.

Speaker 28 This is a good one.

Speaker 34 You can tell this is the ISS from the windows.

Speaker 16 Here's how they did it. Grab an image from the ISS and pull it into After Effects or some kind of video editor.

Speaker 28 Mask out the window.

Speaker 27 Throw some orange behind it.

Speaker 28 Crank up the contrast.

Speaker 255 Dirty up the windows.

Speaker 28 Make everything just a bit blurry.

Speaker 28 I know my version isn't perfect, but it did that in about eight minutes.

Speaker 27 And if you look at the hoaxed video, you can see they were just as sloppy with the mask as I was.

Speaker 37 The edges aren't round.

Speaker 27 That's someone who doesn't know their way around a Bezier tool.

Speaker 21 Bezier what now?

Speaker 27 Bezier. It's the tool that lets you draw curves.

Speaker 21 You can call it a curved drawing tool. Bezier sounds elitist.

Speaker 216 It's French.

Speaker 21 Exactly.

Speaker 28 These shots are nice too.

Speaker 91 They're from the European Space Agency.

Speaker 28 We've got the Yanni Chaos Region.

Speaker 37 The Corralis Chaos.

Speaker 21 Why do they call these areas chaos?

Speaker 335 Because they're chaotic.

Speaker 21 That's it?

Speaker 189 That's it.

Speaker 21 I was hoping for something more

Speaker 21 out of space-y sounded.

Speaker 150 How about this?

Speaker 262 This is Case Valles and Sacra Fosse.

Speaker 28 Case is the Japanese word for Mars.

Speaker 319 It literally means fire star.

Speaker 262 Valles is Latin for valleys.

Speaker 28 And sacra means sacred or holy.

Speaker 262 Fosse is plural for the word fossa in latin which means ditch so sacra fossa means holy ditch basically yeah now we're talking

Speaker 22 another area of case valleys

Speaker 275 and the video ends so both videos are thoroughly debunked yeah let me ask you uh how long did it take you to find all those shots there boyo it took me well over a hundred hours of searching apollo footage and images from every space program and mars mission going back to the 1960s yeah and you wonder why you burn out.

Speaker 189 I don't wonder that.

Speaker 21 You spent two weeks working on four minutes episode.

Speaker 255 Yeah, it's called Commitment.

Speaker 21 Eh, it's cool, though, CD.

Speaker 16 I can't argue with that.

Speaker 157 In two weeks.

Speaker 319 So the videos are definitely fake.

Speaker 28 As for Jackie from NASA, I couldn't confirm anything about her story.

Speaker 216 She didn't sound like a scientist to me, but who knows, she might be telling the truth.

Speaker 28 William Rutledge is considered debunked.

Speaker 258 There's no record of him being an astronaut, and it's not like there are that many astronauts.

Speaker 319 There are records of all of of them.

Speaker 21 Yeah, not if they're secret astronauts.

Speaker 260 That's true.

Speaker 27 And that's what Rutledge says.

Speaker 262 There's no record of him because it's classified.

Speaker 28 Which brings us to Gary McKinnon.

Speaker 91 He says that he found proof of a secret space program, and I believe him.

Speaker 230 It was an Excel spreadsheet, and there was a non-terrestrial officers list.

Speaker 230 And I can't remember the final name of the spreadsheet, but the heading on the column was non-terrestrial officers.

Speaker 230 Well, obviously, it wasn't aliens.

Speaker 30 It wasn't, you know, little group of men.

Speaker 230 I took it to just figure it must be evidence of

Speaker 230 an off-Earth fleet. You know, if you could have non-terrestrial officers, you must have spaceships that are based in, oh, maybe geostationary orbits.

Speaker 206 Who knows?

Speaker 250 Now, I don't know if there really is a secret space program, but I believe Gary found something.

Speaker 237 And whatever he found was so sensitive that President Obama, the DOD, and the DOJ tried to have him extradited to the U.S.

Speaker 255 They wanted to put him in prison for 70 years.

Speaker 21 For accessing computers with no password, how is this on him?

Speaker 28 The charges filed against Gary say that he wasn't authorized to access those systems. The charges fail to mention that NASA and the DOD were sloppy with their network security.

Speaker 28 That's one of the reasons why the UK didn't allow the extradition.

Speaker 336 He will not be going to the United States anytime soon.

Speaker 279 Here, here!

Speaker 21 God save the queen! Pip, pip!

Speaker 272 Yeah, that was a pretty big deal.

Speaker 28 The United States isn't used to hearing no.

Speaker 337 And I trust that this will get resolved in a way that

Speaker 337 underscores the seriousness of the issue.

Speaker 336 When the coalition came into power, they blocked the extradition.

Speaker 337 But also underscores the fact that we worked together and we can find an appropriate solution.

Speaker 336 He will not be going to the United States anytime soon.

Speaker 28 Now, what doesn't help the story is that movie I showed you before, Alternative 3, that aired in 1977 as a mockumentary about a secret space program to Mars by Apollo astronauts in coordination with the Soviets.

Speaker 201 We obtained an acceptable picture, which you're now about to see see as we saw it.

Speaker 94 And when it aired, people thought it was real.

Speaker 285 And Project Red Sun seems to follow along with that plot almost exactly.

Speaker 28 So some of the evidence of Project Red Sun can be dismissed, but not all of it. A lot of Project Red Sun's claims were later proven to be true.
Like there was once water on Mars.

Speaker 206 Lots of it.

Speaker 37 Tonight, for the future of everything, we're going back three billion years into the past. Picture Mars as a world with water.

Speaker 278 According to NASA, oceans covered as much as 20% of the red planet.

Speaker 255 And the documents leaked to Skantum Burlow have coordinates that overlap with rover landing sites.

Speaker 20 Now, if I were a conspiracy theorist,

Speaker 140 right, if I were one of those, I would be suspicious.

Speaker 28 It's almost as if NASA is carefully managing the flow of information and expectations about Mars exploration.

Speaker 79 Now, I don't think it's a coincidence that this is happening at the same time that space exploration is becoming privatized.

Speaker 338 And if you warm Mars up, you will...

Speaker 338 There's a bunch of frozen CO2 that will evaporate, densify the atmosphere, and get your ass to Mars.

Speaker 30 You'd actually want kind of global warming on Mars.

Speaker 28 As companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin head toward Mars, they'll operate with less public oversight than government agencies.

Speaker 279 Open your mind.

Speaker 255 You know that if Elon Musk lands on Mars, he's going to tell us what he finds.

Speaker 91 The U.S.

Speaker 28 government doesn't want Elon exposing them for lying to the public.

Speaker 21 You mean exposing them for lying to the public again?

Speaker 157 Right.

Speaker 28 So while SpaceX prepares to go to Mars, NASA can slowly release more and more information so that by the time SpaceX gets there, there are no more surprises.

Speaker 261 And NASA's probably okay with this.

Speaker 27 Elon thinks he'll be making history by landing human beings on Mars, but it may very well turn out that all he did was create the perfect cover for a classified space program that truly never ended.

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Speaker 27 We have a few more of those secret Mars mission episodes coming up.

Speaker 15 They're a lot of fun.

Speaker 321 What's this?

Speaker 21 Full bunker mode, human. Everything's beeping, old timers and alarms.
This is definitely a coordinated attack.

Speaker 23 Have you considered just turning them off?

Speaker 21 Oh, you sweet summer human. That's what they want me to do.
Now, now you've upset Gertie. Nice work.

Speaker 15 I didn't do anything.

Speaker 264 You're the one that's...

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Speaker 26 Next episode is 151, the Phobos incident.

Speaker 127 At the height of the space race in the late 1970s, the Viking probes successfully landed on Mars, collecting pictures, data, and samples from the red planet.

Speaker 25 It was so successful that Soviet scientists wanted their shot at glory, but their focus wasn't on Mars.

Speaker 238 It was on its moon, Phobos, named after the Greek god of fear.

Speaker 159 After all, if NASA could land on Mars, landing on one of its moons should be easy, right?

Speaker 74 Well, it turns out, Mars's largest moon was right to be named after the Greek god of fear.

Speaker 341 Because as barren as the landscape looks, as impossible as it is to live there, something does.

Speaker 29 And that something does not want to be seen.

Speaker 83 Scientists and astronomers have long debated the potential for life on Mars.

Speaker 229 When the first probes landed on the surface, the outlook for finding life wasn't good.

Speaker 240 The landscape was barren, the atmosphere a reddish-green haze.

Speaker 229 This did not look like a planet that could support even the simplest life forms.

Speaker 346 However, after further study, opinions have changed.

Speaker 180 As I've shown on this channel, NASA has been taking some creative license with their photography.

Speaker 36 Right.

Speaker 113 The Martian atmosphere is actually bluish-gray, not green or red.

Speaker 77 And the surface of Mars used to be a lot like Earth, covered in vast oceans of water, liquid water, just like Earth.

Speaker 347 As you know, the Earth has a spinning iron-nickel core that creates a magnetic field.

Speaker 229 This field protects us from solar wind and radiation.

Speaker 86 Well, billions of years ago, Mars had a similar core, which gave it similar protection.

Speaker 90 But eventually the Martian core stopped spinning.

Speaker 79 And without the protection of its magnetic field, solar wind stripped away most of the Martian atmosphere.

Speaker 23 The reason there's water on Earth is because our atmosphere is actually pretty heavy.

Speaker 63 When Mars lost its atmospheric pressure, its water evaporated into space. Well, most of its water.

Speaker 175 There's still water frozen in the Martian ice caps.

Speaker 46 Scientists have even discovered organic compounds in Martian rocks, compounds that are the building blocks of life.

Speaker 122 So if there are signs of life on Mars, what about its moons?

Speaker 161 Could there be life there too?

Speaker 108 Well, Mars has two moons, Phobos and Deimos, both named after the sons of the Greek god Aries. American astronomer Aesop Hall discovered them in 1877.

Speaker 74 Now Phobos is the larger and closer of the two moons, but large in this case is misleading.

Speaker 28 It's only about 14 miles across.

Speaker 240 For comparison, our moon is 2,000 miles wide.

Speaker 63 Phobos is also oddly close to Mars, only about 5,000 miles away.

Speaker 348 Our moon is 200,000 miles away.

Speaker 85 Phobos is covered with massive craters and dense.

Speaker 175 The surface is dull with no atmosphere.

Speaker 164 It's not round at all. It's been called a giant potato.

Speaker 132 Phobos looks more like an asteroid than a moon.

Speaker 42 And for a long time, astronomers thought Phobos and Deimos were asteroids that got captured by Mars's gravity.

Speaker 47 Not only do they almost perfectly resemble asteroids, they appear to be made out of the same type of rock.

Speaker 127 But their orbit is so oddly close to Mars that scientists from the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency, or JAXA, proposed another theory.

Speaker 169 Instead of being trapped asteroids, Mars' moons might have formed in a similar way to our moon.

Speaker 21 Oh, you mean created by aliens in a distant part of the galaxy and brought here to serve as a base of operations?

Speaker 139 Uh, no, I'm talking about the giant impact hypothesis that a large object collided with the Earth and the moon was formed by the debris from the impact.

Speaker 21 Uh, yeah, that's not how the moon was formed.

Speaker 32 Well, I have my suspicions too, but let's stick with Mars.

Speaker 21 Okay, but if you throw out more cockamame-y theories, you're gonna hear it.

Speaker 25 I know, but you're gonna like the theory about Mars.

Speaker 21 We'll see.

Speaker 349 If an asteroid strikes a planet hard enough to create debris, a moon can form, or in the case of Mars, two moons.

Speaker 145 And there's scientific evidence to back it up.

Speaker 83 Just like Mars, scientists have found inactive signs of life on the tiny moon.

Speaker 123 Possible remnants of microorganisms or DNA, aka the building blocks of life.

Speaker 105 Martian life.

Speaker 21 Okay, you're right.

Speaker 106 I like this theory.

Speaker 120 According to one of the lead scientists at JAXA, Phobos is an ideal natural laboratory.

Speaker 350 If Martian life once existed and was widespread elsewhere on Mars, the chance that its dead remains exist also on Phobos is, in my opinion, relatively high.

Speaker 350 This is because numerous small asteroidal impacts on Mars eject Martian surface material, and the ejecta is relatively easily transferred to Phobos.

Speaker 59 Another scientist on the team had a similar thought.

Speaker 351 In my opinion, of all the chances for finding life as we know it in the solar system, the surfaces of Mars and Phobos are our best bet. Phobos is a time capsule of ancient Mars.

Speaker 225 If ancient life existed on Mars, its moons could be the key to unlocking the red planet's secrets.

Speaker 165 In fact, Phobos could be the key to unlocking many secrets.

Speaker 176 Even though it's smaller and less symmetrical than our moon, it has one surprising similarity.

Speaker 283 Like our moon, Phobos might be hollow.

Speaker 85 In the 1960s, Soviet astronomers started noticing Phobos's orbit wasn't exactly normal. It was orbiting faster than Mars was spinning, meaning it was lighter lighter than expected.

Speaker 195 Much lighter.

Speaker 115 A faster orbit also means the gravitational field was extremely weak.

Speaker 117 So weak that a 150-pound human on Phobos would weigh only two ounces.

Speaker 71 I don't want to talk about that.

Speaker 99 The idea of Phobos being hollow gained traction in the 1950s and 60s.

Speaker 259 Russian astrophysicist Joseph Shlovsky and even Carl Sagan proposed that the moon's unusual orbit could mean only one thing: Phobos must be hollow.

Speaker 63 Not only that, but Shlavsky hypothesized that Phobos must have a thin sheet metal structure on its outside.

Speaker 345 In other words, Phobos is artificial, unnatural, alien, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 229 And other scientists agreed.

Speaker 353 Dr.

Speaker 47 Fred Singer thought that a hollow Phobos was a perfectly sound explanation.

Speaker 283 If the satellite is indeed spiraling inward, as deduced from astronomical observation, then there is little alternative to the hypothesis that it is hollow and therefore Martian-made.

Speaker 50 Fred Singer wasn't a nobody.

Speaker 229 He was the science advisor to President Eisenhower.

Speaker 23 Even NASA admits the moon is odd.

Speaker 80 In their words, the interior of Phobos could be a rubble pile barely holding together.

Speaker 60 One Phobos researcher said, the moon appears to be held together by a kind of mildly cohesive outer fabric.

Speaker 21 Outer fabric like Martian sheet metal?

Speaker 36 Could be.

Speaker 178 Whatever it was, astronomers and scientists from around the world were beginning to suspect Phobos was hiding some secrets.

Speaker 237 And the Russians, they wanted in.

Speaker 229 In July 1988, the Soviets launched two probes, Phobos 1 and Phobos 2.

Speaker 218 These were sophisticated spacecraft equipped with state-of-the-art instruments.

Speaker 59 The mission was to study the Martian environment and gather detailed images of Phobos's surface.

Speaker 175 And it wasn't just the Soviets who wanted this data.

Speaker 79 The mission was backed by 14 other nations, including the U.S.

Speaker 229 But the Phobos mission got off to a rough start.

Speaker 79 Before Phobos-1 could gather any data, an operative on Earth entered the wrong command.

Speaker 139 The probe turned away from its source of power, the sun.

Speaker 21 Someone fat-fingered the probe.

Speaker 13 Yep.

Speaker 71 Fat-fingered the probe.

Speaker 101 Stop it.

Speaker 21 No controls here.

Speaker 110 Nope.

Speaker 240 With no power and no radio contact, Phobos 1 was lost to space.

Speaker 204 But Phobos 2 was working perfectly for a few months anyway.

Speaker 127 However, on March 28th, 1989, just as Phobos 2 was preparing to make its closest approach to Phobos, something unexpected happened.

Speaker 57 It started going haywire.

Speaker 59 The probe's signals weakened and it began acting strange.

Speaker 127 Instead of maintaining its steady course, the probe suddenly began spinning out of control.

Speaker 79 The control center couldn't explain it.

Speaker 175 This was space.

Speaker 216 Things don't randomly start spinning unless they're hit by something.

Speaker 83 They scrambled to maintain contact with the probe, but no success.

Speaker 46 Phobos 2 sent back one final image, then everything went black.

Speaker 119 After days of failed attempts to reconnect with Phobos 2, the mission officially ended.

Speaker 63 The probe's sudden failure was allegedly caused by a computer malfunction.

Speaker 21 Allegedly?

Speaker 284 Well, before it failed, Phobos 2 had been sending data to Earth.

Speaker 74 The last transmission from Phobos 2 contained a series of perplexing images.

Speaker 173 And the last image Phobos 2 sent to Earth provided proof that it didn't fail because of a simple computer malfunction.

Speaker 28 Phobos 2 was attacked by a UFO.

Speaker 62 After the mission ended, the Russian government kept the majority of the photos secret, but this was a multinational cooperative effort.

Speaker 259 The other countries involved didn't agree to the secrecy, to put it nicely. So after increasing pressure, the Russians finally released the photos taken by Phobos II.

Speaker 127 Well, most of them.

Speaker 97 The Russians kept the last four frames of the photo dump classified.

Speaker 78 Seconds before Phobos 2 went MIA, it snapped a photo of its attacker.

Speaker 63 It depicted a long elliptical shadow cast on the surface of Phobos.

Speaker 74 A massive oval object was hovering above the moon.

Speaker 58 The shadow's shape and size could not be explained as natural phenomena.

Speaker 347 Some scientists thought it might be a shadow or trick of the eye, while others speculated that it was an object.

Speaker 62 Either way, something was there that shouldn't have been.

Speaker 63 But without those last four classified photos, it was hard to know exactly what it was.

Speaker 116 Then, in 1991, Soviet test pilot Maria Popovich revealed one of those top-secret Russian photos, and suddenly it all became clear.

Speaker 122 In the picture, a long elliptical object is clearly seen approaching Phobos.

Speaker 59 It's estimated to be 15 miles long.

Speaker 201 On a recent sightings episode, we brought you information about the possible destruction of a Soviet space probe called Phobos by a UFO.

Speaker 278 Phobos 2 was sending back pictures, as usual, when suddenly the last picture from Phobos arrived.

Speaker 268 On that picture, you could see Phobos, the Martian moon, and an oblong-shaped object.

Speaker 278 The object cast a passing shadow on Mars.

Speaker 259 And it's interesting to note that these photos were taken with infrared cameras.

Speaker 255 Infrared is used to measure the temperature of objects.

Speaker 262 If the object were a shadow or trick of the eye, it wouldn't appear in an infrared photo.

Speaker 44 The question then became, what was it?

Speaker 50 And why would it attack the Phobos 2 probe and cut its transmission?

Speaker 259 Did it think the probe was a threat?

Speaker 59 Or was there something it was trying to hide?

Speaker 32 Because Phobos 2 sent back another very interesting image.

Speaker 63 It was a close-up photo of a region of Mars.

Speaker 80 And in that photo is what looks like the ruins of an ancient city.

Speaker 127 Mars' tiny moon, Phobos, holds some massive secrets.

Speaker 74 Secrets that something or someone doesn't want us to see.

Speaker 127 Over the decades, probes and satellites sent to Mars and its moons have captured images of things that don't look exactly natural.

Speaker 175 Perhaps the most famous is the so-called face on Mars.

Speaker 34 The face is located in a region of Mars called Sidonia.

Speaker 183 It was first photographed by NASA's Viking 1 orbiter in 1976.

Speaker 90 Some believe it's evidence of an ancient Martian civilization.

Speaker 229 Others think it's a message or a marker left by alien visitors.

Speaker 218 Could be.

Speaker 86 According to the Anunnaki legend, not only did they stop on Mars on the way to Earth, they set up an outpost there.

Speaker 108 Also in the Sidonia region and elsewhere, there are a number of objects that look like artificial constructions, including pyramids, obelisks, even the ruins of ancient cities.

Speaker 69 One of the most intriguing structures is a pyramid in the region called Elysium Planicia.

Speaker 63 The Elysium Pyramid is a massive structure that rises nearly a mile above the surrounding plain.

Speaker 84 Many believe that the pyramid's shape and alignment are too precise to be a natural formation.

Speaker 175 The only explanation is that it was constructed by intelligent beings.

Speaker 186 Other puzzling features on Mars include the so-called tubes and glass tunnels that form a network across the planet's surface.

Speaker 60 Some say this is the work of an alien architect and evidence of underground Martian cities.

Speaker 63 Phobos orbits very close to Mars.

Speaker 229 If there was a civilization on Mars at some point, you'd expect to see anomalies on Phobos as well.

Speaker 12 And we do.

Speaker 50 Phobos has deep, uniform grooves.

Speaker 127 The grooves are not only parallel to each other, but they're nearly the same width, 700 to 1,000 feet.

Speaker 108 and they're the same depth, 75 to 90 feet.

Speaker 172 Not only that, but they're brighter than the rest of the surface, as if they were made from a different material.

Speaker 59 And over the years, new grooves have formed, grooves that suddenly appeared in between space missions.

Speaker 165 But it wasn't just the tiny moon holding secrets.

Speaker 240 The Phobos 2 probe also took pictures of what looked like remnants of a city on Mars.

Speaker 186 Again, you can see rectangular shapes and even grid-like straight lines, as if there were buildings and roads below.

Speaker 109 Now, scientists claim these anomalies on Mars and Phobos are a trick of the eye, nothing more than pareidolia, our tendency to see patterns in random images.

Speaker 83 Phobos' craters too are strange.

Speaker 9 The largest is Stickney Crater, named after the wife of Asif Hall, the man who discovered the moons.

Speaker 59 Stickney Crater is a massive six miles wide.

Speaker 57 It takes up almost half of Phobos' surface.

Speaker 97 The rim is so circular that it almost looks fake.

Speaker 80 Believers of the hollow Phobos theory believe that the crater is the entrance to the moon's cavernous interior, caverns potentially harboring alien life.

Speaker 46 And only a short distance from the giant crater is the Phobos monolith.

Speaker 57 It's 279 feet across and 300 feet tall.

Speaker 266 It's oddly bright and oddly rectangular.

Speaker 80 Nature likes circles and curves, not sharp edges and straight lines.

Speaker 23 American astronaut Buzz Aldrin even talks about the monolith.

Speaker 208 We should go boldly where man has not gone before. Fly by to comets, visit asteroids, visit the moon of Mars.

Speaker 208 There's a monolith there, a very unusual structure on this little potato-shaped object that goes around Mars once in seven hours.

Speaker 208 When people find out about that, they're going to say, who put that there?

Speaker 59 Some say the monolith is an artifact, a remnant of an ancient Martian civilization, placed near near the crater as a beacon or marker.

Speaker 80 But there is another theory about the monolith, that it's evidence of technology, technology shared between worlds, because there are structures on Phobos and Mars that are almost identical to structures found right here on Earth.

Speaker 80 In the Sidonia region of Mars, along with the face and what appear to be buildings, a number of obelisks have been been identified.

Speaker 127 These structures seem to be arranged in a precise geometric pattern, forming a series of interlocking triangles and hexagons, too precise and too consistent to result from natural processes.

Speaker 93 But when you think of obelisks, you can't help but think of ancient Egypt, and you can't talk about Egypt without mentioning the Great Pyramid of Giza.

Speaker 197 There's a theory that the Great Pyramid was not a tomb or monument, that it was an ancient power plant.

Speaker 197 And there's scientific evidence to support the theory that the pyramid created electricity, a lot of it.

Speaker 59 Nikola Tesla even tried to replicate this technology.

Speaker 21 Tesla pyramid link below.

Speaker 23 So now we have to consider the electric universe theory.

Speaker 21 Electric universe theory link.

Speaker 118 Well, you know, it's below.

Speaker 218 This theory says that electricity, not gravity, is the dominant force in the universe.

Speaker 79 Everything is part of a vast interconnected web of electric currents.

Speaker 85 Every planet, every star, and every galaxy, all connected.

Speaker 175 And that electricity is all around us, everywhere.

Speaker 127 Now, if that's true, the pyramids around the world, like those in Egypt, Mexico, Indonesia, and Peru, could have been tapping into this electricity field.

Speaker 204 This is zero-point energy, which exists in all quantum fields.

Speaker 20 It's all around us all the time.

Speaker 46 The pyramids could have harnessed that energy and transmitted it around the world to the obelisks, which were like power substations.

Speaker 41 And if that's true, then the pyramids and obelisks on Mars could have served the same purpose.

Speaker 57 Remember, Mars used to have water and an atmosphere, just like Earth.

Speaker 83 And maybe the monolith on Phobos was another one of those power substations, harnessing zero-point energy and delivering power to whatever's inside.

Speaker 85 And maybe when Mars lost its atmosphere, it short-circuited the zero-point energy field connecting Mars to Earth.

Speaker 115 But there's no way to tell.

Speaker 171 No scientists will look into zero-point energy.

Speaker 276 Well, that's not completely true.

Speaker 26 Quite a few scientists have investigated zero-point energy.

Speaker 59 Some have even patented devices that they claim could tap into this energy field and provide free electricity to everyone everywhere on the planet.

Speaker 229 We even have an episode coming up on these devices.

Speaker 115 But spoiler alert, all those patents were seized by the government and all the scientists are dead.

Speaker 175 So what exactly happened to Phobos 2?

Speaker 108 Why did it start spinning out of control?

Speaker 175 Why did Russia keep the photos classified for so long?

Speaker 284 What are the anomalies and who or what created them?

Speaker 259 Well, like the Mars episode, this one is difficult to debunk.

Speaker 43 But not impossible.

Speaker 212 Let's start with the facts.

Speaker 57 All the mystery surrounding Phobos 2's sudden failure is true.

Speaker 229 In 1989, Soviet scientists published a report in Nature magazine about Phobos 2's experiments.

Speaker 50 Only three paragraphs in the 37-page report discuss the probe's loss.

Speaker 175 They admit not only that it was spinning, but that it was possibly struck by something.

Speaker 239 Now, whether it was targeted by an alien ship, we don't know.

Speaker 89 But what the Russians downplayed was it was spinning before it got to Mars.

Speaker 229 Phobos 1 went dark, that's true.

Speaker 32 And Phobos 2 was malfunctioning the whole time. Because it was spinning, Phobos 2 was transmitting data all over the place.

Speaker 218 The data that did get back to Earth was messy.

Speaker 113 The cameras weren't working properly.

Speaker 108 The giant 35-mile-long cigar-shaped UFO?

Speaker 175 It was a data glitch.

Speaker 192 But the story is worse than that.

Speaker 110 Remember how Marina Popovich came forward as a whistleblower?

Speaker 58 She said that the image of the giant cigar-shaped craft was the last one sent before the probe went dark.

Speaker 204 Well, that wasn't true.

Speaker 32 There were actually 57 more images sent back to Earth for two more days.

Speaker 284 In those images, you see a white line going down the center of every frame taken with the infrared camera, no matter what the camera was pointing at.

Speaker 155 When Phobos took pictures of Jupiter, there's the white line again.

Speaker 21 White lines, vision dreams of passion, going through my mind.

Speaker 179 And all the while I think of you.

Speaker 21 Graham Mr. Flesh.

Speaker 23 I know who it is.

Speaker 32 Okay, so there was no cigar-shaped UFO.

Speaker 62 That was a glitch with the infrared lens.

Speaker 115 When we look at the same pictures that aren't infrared, there's no object.

Speaker 175 Now, most articles and videos about the Phobos 2 incident will say that Marina Popovich was a cosmonaut who had been to space, but she wasn't.

Speaker 107 But she really was a test pilot and she was a rock star.

Speaker 259 She reached the rank of colonel and was the first Soviet woman to break the sound barrier.

Speaker 175 But she was also a big-time UFO believer.

Speaker 176 And whether she was lying about the image or is just misinformed and excited, I'm not sure.

Speaker 175 But I am sure she wasn't a whistleblower.

Speaker 80 She had permission to show those photos.

Speaker 112 The Soviet government loved her.

Speaker 284 When she passed away in 2017, she was buried with full military honors.

Speaker 175 Now, also, to sell the Phobos 2 story, that clip of Buzz Aldrin talking about the monolith is often used, but it's never used in full.

Speaker 36 It's usually cut off at who put it there, implying that an alien race put it there.

Speaker 67 But if you listen to the full clip, he thinks it's a natural formation.

Speaker 208 When people find out about that, they're going to say, who put that there? Who put that there?

Speaker 54 Well,

Speaker 208 the universe put it there. If you choose, God put it there.

Speaker 175 The elliptical shadow is a little harder to debunk.

Speaker 63 We do have newer images that show the shadow of Phobos on Mars, and the shapes are identical.

Speaker 175 Now, UFO believers will say this isn't possible because the original Phobos shadow has sharp edges, but that photo had been retouched.

Speaker 38 Specifically, it was sharpened.

Speaker 229 If you look at the original unsharpened image, it looks exactly like current photos.

Speaker 198 It's not a UFO.

Speaker 218 Okay, but is Phobos hollow?

Speaker 36 Yep.

Speaker 261 Probably not.

Speaker 51 Damn it.

Speaker 24 Phobos was formed when a bunch of small asteroids clumped together.

Speaker 81 So while it's not hollow, it's full of caverns and empty spaces.

Speaker 91 The grooves on Phobos are weird because Mars's other moon Deimos doesn't have them.

Speaker 175 Now last year a paper was published in the Planetary Science Journal. It says the grooves are probably caused by Mars's gravity which squeezes and pulls on the moon.

Speaker 69 The grooves are where the parts of the surface of Phobos are falling into those empty spaces causing channels and canyons.

Speaker 229 Now this is a sign that Phobos will eventually be pulled apart and this is expected to happen in about 40 million years.

Speaker 175 Well, the paper addresses this too.

Speaker 207 When Phobos is pulled and squeezed, it throws up dust.

Speaker 262 Over millions of years, this dust settles fairly evenly around the surface.

Speaker 50 So Phobos is covered in a thin layer of skin, but it's not sheet metal, it's dust.

Speaker 14 Now, the monolith is there.

Speaker 233 Yes!

Speaker 65 But it's not an unusual feature.

Speaker 176 Monoliths like this are found all over the solar system, including our moon.

Speaker 229 They could be common because they were placed there.

Speaker 115 We don't know.

Speaker 85 The pictures of the city on Mars is probably Pareidolia, but until we go there, we won't know for sure.

Speaker 127 Now the glass tubes and tunnels actually were explored, and they're not glass tubes at all, just rock formations.

Speaker 21 I get so annoyed when everything is debunked.

Speaker 90 Well, I don't know if I debunked everything, but I think I presented enough information to help you separate the facts from a lot of wrong information that's floating around the internet.

Speaker 24 There's still so much we don't know about Mars.

Speaker 165 Regardless, Phobos is still a very interesting object, and scientists believe evidence of life could be there.

Speaker 175 All we have to do is land a probe there and check.

Speaker 24 It may be a coincidence, but every mission to land on Phobos has failed.

Speaker 183 But we're not giving up.

Speaker 108 This September, Japan is sending a probe to Mars, and that probe is scheduled to collect samples from Phobos late next year and that probe could answer all the questions about this mysterious moon.

Speaker 203 Unless the aliens shoot it down.

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Speaker 47 Mostly debunked, but there are still some things about Phobos that don't make sense.

Speaker 280 I'm afraid to turn around.

Speaker 15 What in the world? They're everywhere.

Speaker 21 I can hear digital whispering between the devices.

Speaker 347 Well, that's definitely not right.

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Speaker 193 Sir, sir.

Speaker 21 What is it, Morgan?

Speaker 286 The rhythmain server.

Speaker 336 The fish knows.

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Speaker 279 The machines.

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Speaker 28 Next, episode 181 about the legend of the crystal skulls.

Speaker 255 And I had a lot of requests for this one, and I resisted doing it for a long time because I didn't think there was anything really new

Speaker 281 to say about it.

Speaker 253 But in doing the research, I think I found a few nuggets that maybe you didn't know.

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Speaker 66 Gary McKinnon was obsessed with UFOs UFOs and believed governments were covering up evidence that UFOs exist.

Speaker 225 In the year 2000, he decided to do a little digging.

Speaker 101 Gary was a computer expert, so what better place to dig than on U.S.

Speaker 348 government computers?

Speaker 94 What he found was so shocking that it sent the entire United States government into a full-blown panic.

Speaker 45 In fact, the U.S.

Speaker 219 spent 10 years trying to prosecute Gary.

Speaker 56 He was looking at 70 years in federal prison.

Speaker 155 But what information did Gary find that could cause the U.S.

Speaker 133 government to become so aggressive?

Speaker 21 Please say aliens. Please say aliens.
Aliens.

Speaker 66 Gary McKinnon's stepfather was into science fiction and space travel, and this rubbed off on Gary.

Speaker 171 When he was only 12 years old, he joined Bufora, the British UFO Research Association.

Speaker 79 But it all came together when Gary was 13 and had his own UFO sighting.

Speaker 93 He saw a bright red light in the sky that went from horizon to horizon in about five seconds.

Speaker 108 At first, he thought it was a meteor, but it was moving too slowly and erratically.

Speaker 66 He said it moved through the sky in a waving motion like a dolphin bouncing in and out of the water.

Speaker 21 Oh, you know what? Space dolphins move that way on porpoise.

Speaker 36 Really?

Speaker 21 I only said that because I wanted to see him make a face like he smelled a fod.

Speaker 92 As time went on, Gary became convinced that governments around the world, especially the United States government, had evidence that UFOs and aliens were real, but this evidence was being withheld from the population.

Speaker 21 Of course they withhold it. And thank God they do.
Or we'd be out of a job.

Speaker 131 Amen to that.

Speaker 136 Well, Gary McKinnon was an expert in computers and networking and worked as a systems administrator.

Speaker 40 Even though he was good at his job, he was bored with it.

Speaker 186 His real passion was UFOs, a passion that was becoming an obsession.

Speaker 121 And if the government was hiding information about UFOs, he was going to do something about it.

Speaker 21 Idol fins are the devil's playground. That's something I teach all my guppies.

Speaker 79 Gary knew that both NASA and the U.S.

Speaker 238 Department of Defense use Windows, which he described as a operating system.

Speaker 153 Using skills he learned as a sysadmin, he wrote a program to do one simple thing, check the passwords of all computers on a network.

Speaker 62 He wanted to know if they used the word password as a password or if they used no password at all.

Speaker 121 His program ran for a year and found hundreds of wide open government computers.

Speaker 99 To this day, he insists he wasn't hacking or attacking the computer systems.

Speaker 80 He said it was more like going fishing for information.

Speaker 21 Fishing, eh? That phrase is a microaggression.

Speaker 101 Save it for Twitter.

Speaker 117 Eventually, Gary found computers inside the U.S.

Speaker 119 Navy, U.S.

Speaker 131 Space Command, and NASA.

Speaker 142 But he didn't find anything interesting until he stumbled across.

Speaker 21 Aliens?

Speaker 355 Not exactly.

Speaker 21 What did he find?

Speaker 354 He found a spreadsheet.

Speaker 21 Ugh, sometimes you are so disappointing.

Speaker 143 Gary McKinnon had accessed some of the most highly classified files in the U.S.

Speaker 133 government.

Speaker 84 Most of what he found was pretty boring.

Speaker 116 Lots of staff reports, department memos, mostly just bureaucratic paperwork.

Speaker 181 But Gary found a spreadsheet on a U.S.

Speaker 109 Navy server that caught his eye.

Speaker 136 It was called Non-Terrestrial Officers and contained a list of names.

Speaker 31 He was looking at a list of people stationed somewhere other than planet Earth.

Speaker 21 Non-terrestrial officers could be humans serving on another planet or non-humans serving on this planet.

Speaker 104 Well, that's true, but in this case, Gary was pretty sure that these were humans because the list showed officer transfers from one ship to another.

Speaker 192 So Gary looked for the ships in the U.S.

Speaker 119 Naval Registry.

Speaker 142 They were not.

Speaker 102 They appeared to belong to a secret fleet, a fleet operating in space.

Speaker 60 But that wasn't even the most interesting thing that he found.

Speaker 354 A spreadsheet is just words.

Speaker 349 But you know what's worth a thousand of those?

Speaker 51 A picture?

Speaker 61 A picture.

Speaker 358 Gary McKinnon had heard the testimony of a woman named Donna Hare.

Speaker 233 She was a former NASA employee who worked at the agency for years.

Speaker 62 She said she saw quite a few UFOs in NASA's satellite photos, but the photos, both physical and digital, were always altered to remove the UFOs from the images.

Speaker 21 Oh, you don't say.

Speaker 58 In the 1980s, Donna was working for NASA at Johnson Space Center.

Speaker 68 Specifically, she worked in the highly secure area known as Building Number 8.

Speaker 196 One day, Donna stopped by a coworker's office about something completely different.

Speaker 51 When she walked in, this coworker had a satellite image on his computer screen.

Speaker 354 He showed her a white cigar-shaped cigar-shaped object.

Speaker 238 He asked her what she thought it could be.

Speaker 68 She said it might be a blob on the emulsion or a scanning defect.

Speaker 94 But then he pointed to something that made Donna have to catch her breath.

Speaker 48 The object was casting a shadow on the ground.

Speaker 81 So whatever it was, it was real.

Speaker 233 Gary was intrigued by the story and thought Donna Hare was telling the truth.

Speaker 79 Since he already had access to NASA's computers, he wrote a program to search for the image.

Speaker 31 He narrowed his list of hundreds of computers down to just a few, inside building number eight.

Speaker 29 Naturally, they had blank passwords, so he logged into them one by one.

Speaker 129 Most of these machines had empty desktops, but one computer had folders named raw, filtered, processed, and unprocessed.

Speaker 58 This was exactly how Donna described the computer in building number eight.

Speaker 148 So this was the one.

Speaker 164 The folder it labeled unprocessed contained an image, but the file was huge so Gary couldn't download it.

Speaker 58 So he tried to view it on the remote desktop.

Speaker 182 So Gary McKinnon clicked the file and watched as the image appeared pixel by pixel, line by line.

Speaker 108 At first, he saw nothing but blank space, but then the hemisphere of the planet began to form, and then he saw clouds.

Speaker 34 And then about two-thirds of the way down, he saw what he was looking for, a spaceship.

Speaker 167 Gary saw a large silver cylinder, completely smooth, no rivets or seams of any kind.

Speaker 121 But a few seconds after opening the file, Gary noticed the mouse on the remote computer moved, but he wasn't moving it.

Speaker 21 Uh-oh, the jig is up.

Speaker 165 Whoever was sitting at the computer in building building number eight turned off their network connection, and Gary was disconnected.

Speaker 21 Oh no, did he get a screenshot?

Speaker 160 Nope, no time.

Speaker 105 So the good news for Gary McKinnon was his suspicions were proved correct.

Speaker 131 The bad news, the U.S.

Speaker 29 government was onto him.

Speaker 364 Is this a UFO?

Speaker 365 And he's smiling at me and he says, I can't tell you that. What I knew he meant was it was, but he couldn't tell me.

Speaker 364 So I said, what are you going to do with this information?

Speaker 365 And he said, well, we always have to airbrush them out before we sell them to the public.

Speaker 364 And I was just amazed that they had a protocol in place for getting rid of UFO pictures.

Speaker 132 Gary McKinnon stumbled onto more evidence of what he saw in the file of non-terrestrial officers, evidence of a secret space program within the U.S.

Speaker 220 military.

Speaker 124 And this secret space program isn't new.

Speaker 163 There are clues about it going back over 50 years.

Speaker 226 In the 1960s, the U.S.

Speaker 132 Air Force had a program that ran in parallel with NASA's Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs.

Speaker 51 It was called the Manned Orbiting Laboratory, or MOL.

Speaker 163 The MOL program had its own facilities and its own staff.

Speaker 66 They had uniforms and spacesuits, but they were completely different from NASA's, so there'd be no confusion that the MOL employees worked for a completely different program.

Speaker 116 The operation was so secret that not even the wives knew what their husbands were working on.

Speaker 21 Add a wives don't need to know nothing. What happens in orbit stays in orbit.

Speaker 128 You've been divorced how many times?

Speaker 194 Three.

Speaker 106 Uh-huh. Cheap shit.

Speaker 367 The MOL program was created to develop a spy station in space, but it was canceled by President Richard Nixon in 1969.

Speaker 21 Or was it?

Speaker 36 Right.

Speaker 121 But what Gary McKinnon stumbled onto was something far bigger than some Cold War spy program.

Speaker 186 After Gary found the cigar-shaped UFO on the NASA computer and got caught, U.S.

Speaker 173 officials began to pressure the UK to help track him down.

Speaker 117 In early 2002, Gary was arrested and charged with 97 counts of causing damage to U.S.

Speaker 164 intelligence assets, and he was accused of doing $800,000 worth of damage.

Speaker 79 The U.S.

Speaker 136 government claimed he hacked into dozens of military computers and 16 NASA computers.

Speaker 77 They claimed he altered and deleted files, and that his activities were, in the U.S.

Speaker 44 government's words, intentional and calculated to influence and affect the U.S.

Speaker 121 government by intimidation and coercion.

Speaker 349 These charges were very aggressive.

Speaker 121 Clearly, the U.S.

Speaker 99 government was concerned about what Gary found, so they wanted to make an example of him and make sure no one else would ever try to access a single document mentioning UFOs.

Speaker 121 Gary McKinnon spent 10 years defending himself against these charges and trying to stay in the UK.

Speaker 228 If he were charged in the United States, he'd be facing up to 70 years in federal prison.

Speaker 225 The media picked up the story but downplayed the UFO connection.

Speaker 227 McKinnon was described as a hacker trying to harm the Pentagon.

Speaker 173 The only major publication to mention the UFO side of the story was the UK Daily Mail.

Speaker 103 Gary said this publicity is one of of the things that saved him.

Speaker 173 Eventually, his case landed on the desk of UK Home Secretary Theresa May, who would eventually go on to be Prime Minister.

Speaker 169 She ruled that McKinnon could not be taken back to the U.S.

Speaker 39 because he suffered from Asperger's.

Speaker 195 Now, Gary McKinnon did break the law, there's no disputing that.

Speaker 238 But he also did the U.S. a favor.

Speaker 113 Using the hacker named Solo, he sent messages to U.S.

Speaker 184 agencies telling them their security was weak.

Speaker 161 He felt he was morally justified.

Speaker 199 I thought if this technology really does exist, it should be used used for the good of all of us, you know, free energy,

Speaker 369 or at least very cheap. If this is being kept secret, why? Because obviously that would be used against people if it's being kept secret rather than furthering humanity.

Speaker 369 But at the time, there was a very popular phrase banded about called heating or eating. Old age pensioners had to choose whether to pay for their heating.

Speaker 199 or pay to have food and then sit on their chair with a blanket and eat their food.

Speaker 194 Gary McKinnon's case finally ended in 2012, and he he became a celebrity in the UFO community.

Speaker 92 He'd exposed, or at least said he'd exposed, government knowledge of an alien presence, but his case proved there was something much more sinister going on.

Speaker 145 This wasn't something as simple as the U.S.

Speaker 221 government covering up UFOs.

Speaker 84 This was proof that there was a highly organized secret space program in place.

Speaker 88 This program has a staff of thousands.

Speaker 149 It has a fleet of spaceships.

Speaker 44 It has weapons more advanced than anything currently in use.

Speaker 370 And this program has a name, Solar Warden.

Speaker 366 Another incident, I knew someone in quarantine with the Apollo astronauts.

Speaker 371 He told me that the Apollo astronauts saw crap on the moon when we landed.

Speaker 366 The astronauts are told to keep this quiet.

Speaker 371 They're not allowed to talk about it.

Speaker 118 At the same time Gary McKinnon was snooping NASA's servers, Rumors were going around about a secret space program named Solar Warden.

Speaker 101 Solar Warden came out of the program called the Strategic Defense Initiative.

Speaker 132 Now this was a Reagan-era defense program nicknamed Star Wars by the media.

Speaker 169 Now this program has multiple space platforms similar to aircraft carriers.

Speaker 69 Its mission is to scan the solar system for unauthorized alien intrusions and report those intrusions to the U.S.

Speaker 58 Space Force.

Speaker 169 According to the rumors, the U.S.

Speaker 213 and other nations have treaties that say only a small number of alien visitors are allowed on Earth at a time.

Speaker 114 But the aliens had been breaking the treaties for decades.

Speaker 21 Arcturans, everybody knows those damn Arcturians can't be trusted.

Speaker 141 That sounds kind of racist.

Speaker 21 Save it for Twitter.

Speaker 362 Touche.

Speaker 92 As the story goes, Reagan was briefed on the aliens by military and civilian leaders.

Speaker 132 He immediately became determined to protect the Earth from the alien presence.

Speaker 167 Now, how do we know this?

Speaker 34 Reagan said so himself.

Speaker 129 In 2007, Harper Collins published The Reagan Diaries.

Speaker 143 This book is an insight into the president's daily life in the White House.

Speaker 173 His entries aren't written like a memoir, they're just thoughts that Reagan jotted down throughout the day.

Speaker 248 And on page 334, dated June 11, 1985, the president made the following entry: Lunch with five top space scientists.

Speaker 372 It was fascinating. Space truly is the last frontier.
And some of the developments therein are like science fiction, except they are real.

Speaker 217 I learned that our shuttle capacity is such that we could orbit 300 people.

Speaker 21 Whoa, did Gippa let a big one slip, eh?

Speaker 179 He sure did.

Speaker 192 Now, if you know the space program, this entry makes no sense.

Speaker 87 The maximum capacity of a NASA space shuttle is eight people.

Speaker 210 At the time, the entire fleet was only four shuttles. Even if all the shuttles were used at the same time, which they never were, that's only 32 people.

Speaker 124 So, what's Reagan talking about?

Speaker 153 Later, people suggested Reagan might not have been talking about space shuttles at all.

Speaker 84 Maybe he was referencing a program that was supposedly canceled in 1979.

Speaker 167 A program to develop a space plane called Starraker.

Speaker 21 Ooh, like the James Bond movie.

Speaker 34 No, that was Moonraker.

Speaker 355 Oh, right.

Speaker 21 Uh, hey, you know, that girl at the end of the movie had braces.

Speaker 225 Yep, I thought so too, but she didn't.

Speaker 224 That's a Mandela effect.

Speaker 21 I can't get my brain to accept it.

Speaker 52 I can't either.

Speaker 349 Anyway, the Star Raker, unlike the shuttle, could carry a lot of people.

Speaker 121 It was bigger than a 747.

Speaker 196 It could carry a payload of 200,000 pounds, more than enough to put 300 people on a space platform. So it's possible that Reagan was right, and Solar Warden is real.

Speaker 58 at least technically.

Speaker 84 The first reference to a secret space program with the name Solar Warden is from early 2006.

Speaker 48 An anonymous post appeared on a bulletin board called the Open Minds Forum.

Speaker 215 We have a space fleet, which is codenamed Solar Warden. There were, as of 2005, eight ships, equivalent to aircraft carriers, and 43 protectors, which are space planes.

Speaker 215 One was lost recently to an accident in Mars orbit while it was attempting to resupply the multinational colony within Mars. This base was established in 1964 by American and Soviet teamwork.

Speaker 215 Not everything is as it seems. We have visited all the planets in our solar system, at a distance, of course, except Mercury.
We have landed on Pluto and a few moons.

Speaker 215 These ships contain personnel from many countries and have sworn an oath to the world government. The technology came from bat engineering alien disc wreckage and at times, with alien assistance.

Speaker 155 For a few years, Solar Warden flew mostly under the radar in UFO circles.

Speaker 186 But in 2012, Solar Warden was back.

Speaker 104 In November of that year, a Huffington Post article by reporter Darren Perks was the first major news article about Solar Warden.

Speaker 115 It was also the first to tie in the story of Gary McKinnon.

Speaker 165 The article claimed that the program began in 1980 and operates under the U.S.

Speaker 34 Naval Network and Space Operations Command, the NNSOC.

Speaker 140 The space fleet has eight massive carriers, each over 600 feet long.

Speaker 184 Each carrier is staffed by 300 people and protected by about 40 scout ships, and these ships are used to intercept alien intruders.

Speaker 87 According to the report, there are permanent multinational bases on the moon and Mars that are supplied by the carriers.

Speaker 21 So that's why we never went back to the moon.

Speaker 36 Right.

Speaker 8 At least, not publicly.

Speaker 121 Darren Perks personally investigated the Solar Warden story.

Speaker 210 And in 2010, he was contacted by a whistleblower in the U.S.

Speaker 220 Department of Defense.

Speaker 113 This contact confirmed that Solar Warden is real.

Speaker 215 While conducting a FOIA freedom of information request with the DOD, Department of Defense, in 2010, I had a much unexpected response by email from them, which read, About an hour ago, I spoke to a NASA rep who confirmed this was their program and it was terminated by then President Obama.

Speaker 215 He also informed me that it was not a joint program with the DOD. The NASA rep informed me that you should be directed to the Johnson Space Center FOIA manager.

Speaker 186 So assuming Perks wasn't lying, the email response clearly indicated Solar Warden existed, or something like it did, but was canceled by President Obama in the early 2000s.

Speaker 163 Perks never followed up on his original article, and as you might expect, neither NASA nor the DoD has ever mentioned it.

Speaker 159 So if all we have are reports from anonymous people, that's not much proof of Solar Warden.

Speaker 108 But in 2007, we'd get more evidence, and this time, they're pictures.

Speaker 360 In 2007, a British amateur astronomer named John Leonard Walson started using a new technique to film the night sky.

Speaker 135 By attaching special equipment to his telescope, he records objects in visible, infrared, and ultraviolet spectrums.

Speaker 117 He then takes the clearest frame from each band and combines them.

Speaker 101 This process is called luminance layering.

Speaker 232 Walson first used the technique to view the space shuttle and the International Space Station, and experts confirmed that his technique works.

Speaker 121 But things got really weird when he started recording videos of stars in the sky.

Speaker 166 Walson discovered that many of the stars are not stars at all.

Speaker 25 They're in fact massive, highly reflective space platforms, exactly the type that Solar Warden uses.

Speaker 177 Some platforms have solar panels, others have what looks like weapons attached to the structures.

Speaker 122 He said some of the objects look like spaceships from Star Trek that might be used by the Federation or Klingons.

Speaker 21 Oh, oh, what a toilet paper and Captain Kirk have in common.

Speaker 171 Please don't.

Speaker 21 They both fly past Uranus and wipe out the Klingons.

Speaker 99 Walsen seemed to to be confirming the presence of a vast fleet in the space above us, exactly as Solar Warden believers claimed.

Speaker 21 Oh, the government probably hates this guy, yeah.

Speaker 149 They sure do.

Speaker 39 Not long after releasing his images, the infamous black helicopters appeared, flying very close to his house.

Speaker 121 Walson said that he was even being intimidated by what he called a government goon, and they even got physical at one point.

Speaker 31 But there's more to Solar Warden than just questionable videos taken with a telescope.

Speaker 84 In the mid-1980s, rumors emerged of a secret government project, codenamed Aurora.

Speaker 32 Aurora is a triangle-shaped space plane.

Speaker 114 The program was even covered in aviation magazines.

Speaker 121 Now, there weren't many UFO sightings described as triangles before the 80s, but now this is a common type of UFO.

Speaker 196 Also during this time, the British Ministry of Defense opened up a highly classified office dedicated to quietly investigating UFOs.

Speaker 237 One of its employees was Nick Pope.

Speaker 77 Nick said on the wall of the main office was a large photograph of an object known as the Calvin UFO, which was taken near Calvin, England on August 4th, 1990.

Speaker 196 The original photo has disappeared, but it depicted an 80-foot-long wedge or diamond-shaped object in the sky being chased away by a Harrier jet.

Speaker 69 This happened in front of civilian witnesses who took the picture.

Speaker 70 Using the recollections of people who had seen the actual photos, computer artists later recreated the image.

Speaker 167 And that was the last anyone heard about the UFO photo.

Speaker 55 But in 2022, a former British intelligence officer named Craig Lindsay released a scan of what he claimed was the authentic, original Calvin UFO photo.

Speaker 31 It showed the diamond-shaped object, the Harrier jet, and the fence in the foreground almost exactly matching the artist's rendering of the scene.

Speaker 66 Lindsay's photo was confirmed by experts to be authentic.

Speaker 21 So it was real?

Speaker 36 Well, no. Well, maybe.

Speaker 105 Probably not.

Speaker 348 The photo paper was authentic and typical for the 90s, but the originals are supposed to be color photos.

Speaker 133 Lindsay's is black and white.

Speaker 77 Also, the exact location of the original Calvin UFO photo was found and the background didn't match.

Speaker 209 There should be hills and fields and trees in the background and there just aren't.

Speaker 62 Now, supporters say you can't see the background in the photos because it's too foggy, but weather reports say the day the photo was taken was perfectly clear.

Speaker 186 So whatever Lindsay's photo is, it's probably not one of the originals.

Speaker 136 But the original photograph was taken by two civilian hikers, and for some strange reason, their identities are classified until the year 2076.

Speaker 155 And the photos do match the craft developed by the Aurora Project.

Speaker 173 And there are plenty of witnesses who say that's exactly what the Calvin UFO really is.

Speaker 238 So unless the original photos are found or we can speak to the hikers, we may never know what the object really was.

Speaker 184 Now, skeptics of Solar Warden say it's too difficult to keep such a large program secret, that people who were part of the program would talk.

Speaker 109 And they're right, people would talk.

Speaker 67 In fact, they did.

Speaker 323 the air force official response to any reports of uh that nature is that we have no such program but there's a growing body of evidence that seems to indicate otherwise a hypersonic aircraft with a speed of around 4 000 miles per hour if you look at it from underneath the what you see is a perfect triangle really quite unlike anything else that has ever been flown and according to bill sweetman there's the air force's secret test base in southern nevada called groom lake

Speaker 373 Shortly after the Solar Warden story emerged, several witnesses came forward, each claiming to have been a part of the secret space program.

Speaker 93 One of these was Laura Eisenhower, great-granddaughter of President Dwight Eisenhower.

Speaker 183 She said that at an early age, she'd been kidnapped and sent to other planets.

Speaker 114 She claimed she was involved in a war with an alien species called the Archons.

Speaker 69 Andrew Vasiago was another whistleblower.

Speaker 56 He said he was recognized at an early age as an ideal fit for a secret space program.

Speaker 34 He claimed that he used a teleporter, not a spaceship, to travel to Mars on many occasions.

Speaker 44 And while on Mars, he engaged in armed conflict with alien species.

Speaker 42 And by 2015, other whistleblowers confirmed their involvement.

Speaker 171 not just in a vague secret space program, but specifically in a program called Solar Warden.

Speaker 354 Corey Goode said he was removed from his old life in the 1980s, then reverse aged 20 years and recruited into a secret military program.

Speaker 21 Ugh, I'd like to reverse age 20 years.

Speaker 372 You and me both, pal.

Speaker 101 Now, Corey Goode described a friendly race of blue avians that were part of a super federation of aliens.

Speaker 34 The federation is trying to help the human race fight off alien invaders, including a reptilian race.

Speaker 21 Is it people from outer space?

Speaker 36 Yep.

Speaker 376 So most of these unwanted entrances into our solar system would be more small groups of ets or single craft that are trying to be sneaky right just kind of slip in marauder groups that would come in and do hit and runs to come in and take things and leave

Speaker 163 illizit people are crafty so very very crafty Good said some people part of the secret space program are trying to push full disclosure, trying to force the alien presence into the open by doing flybys of the International Space Station and popping up on photos and videos.

Speaker 52 But disclosure still hasn't happened, and Solar Warden is virtually unknown to most of the population.

Speaker 72 So either there's no such thing as Solar Warden or a secret space program, or it is true, and our solar system is a far more dangerous place than any of us could have possibly imagined.

Speaker 232 Solar Warden and the secret space program is a major branch of ufology.

Speaker 221 And because of social media, it's becoming more mainstream.

Speaker 162 Solar Warden is covered everywhere from YouTube to TikTok to the occasional mainstream news story.

Speaker 40 But is it true?

Speaker 247 No.

Speaker 36 Well, maybe.

Speaker 53 Some of it.

Speaker 87 Gary McKinnon is certainly a real person, but he says he doesn't know anything about Solar Warden or how he got associated with it.

Speaker 79 He never saw that name on any document or image that he accessed.

Speaker 132 It seems that the article by Darren Perks in 2012 is what connected Gary to the Solar Warden mythology.

Speaker 31 And it's easy to understand the connection.

Speaker 248 The picture of the ship McKinnon saw sounds a lot like the carrier platforms in Solar Warden stories.

Speaker 197 But even if Gary McKinnon saw a picture of a UFO, and I believe he did, it's a leap to go from one photo to a huge secret space program conspiracy.

Speaker 192 Now, other aspects of the story, the carriers, the fighters, the large crews, and the guarding of the solar system,

Speaker 153 these sound like the plots of well-known science fiction books and TV shows.

Speaker 84 For example, a spaceship, moon bases, and fighters that monitor the solar system come straight from a 1970 British TV show called UFO.

Speaker 21 Ooh, is that the groovy one with the moon girls and short skirts and silver tat suits and the purple wigs?

Speaker 160 That's the one.

Speaker 21 Did I mention the short skirts? You did.

Speaker 21 He's a great show. He's really

Speaker 21 such a good.

Speaker 21 I always liked the

Speaker 21 way he's a good tanya.

Speaker 51 Okay, snap out of it.

Speaker 169 Sorry.

Speaker 116 The show also featured Sid, the space intruder detector.

Speaker 166 Its job job was to scan near-Earth space for alien intruders, just like Solar Warden.

Speaker 62 And some of the eyewitnesses, like Corey Goode, have been exposed as frauds.

Speaker 197 He was forced to testify under oath that he made the whole thing up, especially the part about the blue avians helping to protect the Earth.

Speaker 21 Well, maybe he made that part up, but lizard people are definitely real.

Speaker 209 Eyewitnesses like Laura Eisenhower and Andrew Bassiago may be telling the truth, but their stories are a hodgepodge of every science fiction trope you can think of.

Speaker 343 Time travel, teleportation, zero-point energy, and the list goes on.

Speaker 51 Now, I'm not saying they're lying, but I am saying they both tell very convoluted stories.

Speaker 102 The only aspect of Solar Warden that holds up to any scrutiny is Gary McKinnon's personal testimony.

Speaker 209 But unfortunately, that's all we have, his word.

Speaker 174 Now, think of the logistics involved in something like Solar Warden.

Speaker 113 In order for it to work, every nation on Earth would have to be involved.

Speaker 73 Russia, China, the US, and really every industrialized country on Earth is aware when any other country launches a rocket of any kind.

Speaker 58 You couldn't put a fleet's worth of equipment into space without somebody noticing.

Speaker 349 You'd also have to constantly be sending food and water and air into space to resupply the fleet.

Speaker 21 Or they raise their own livestock in space and they grow vegetables with hydroponics.

Speaker 73 What do you know about hydroponics?

Speaker 21 Let's just say in college, I was very industrious.

Speaker 54 Ah.

Speaker 113 So if Solar Warden does exist, that would mean every nation on Earth has set aside their differences and come together for a common goal.

Speaker 111 That's actually a nice thought.

Speaker 117 Unfortunately, that common goal is protecting the human race from destruction by an alien invasion.

Speaker 163 Now, that's terrifying.

Speaker 82 So, I don't know if Solar Warden is real, but when I think about its purpose, I really hope it isn't.

Speaker 19 The story may be debunked, but I still couldn't resist.

Speaker 10 I bought a bunch of crystal skulls.

Speaker 20 They're all over the place around here.

Speaker 246 Where are you? Are you driving?

Speaker 21 We have to evacuate i'm going full of this the house is too dangerous uh dirty boys to the bug out vehicle if bug out vehicle means my truck then you cannot

Speaker 26 next is episode 106 about the secret space program called solar warden

Speaker 31 gary mckinnon was obsessed with ufos and believed governments were covering up evidence that ufos exist in the year 2000 he decided to do a little digging.

Speaker 101 Gary was a computer expert, so what better place to dig than on U.S.

Speaker 242 government computers?

Speaker 168 What he found was so shocking that it sent the entire United States government into a full-blown panic.

Speaker 113 In fact, the U.S.

Speaker 219 spent 10 years trying to prosecute Gary.

Speaker 69 He was looking at 70 years in federal prison.

Speaker 68 But what information did Gary find that could cause the U.S.

Speaker 133 government to become so aggressive?

Speaker 21 Please say, aliens. Please say, aliens.
Aliens.

Speaker 367 Gary McKinnon's stepfather was into science fiction and space travel, and this rubbed off on Gary.

Speaker 171 When he was only 12 years old, he joined Bufora, the British UFO Research Association.

Speaker 79 But it all came together when Gary was 13 and had his own UFO sighting.

Speaker 93 He saw a bright red light in the sky that went from horizon to horizon in about five seconds.

Speaker 121 At first, he thought it was a meteor, but it was moving too slowly and erratically.

Speaker 66 He said it moved through the sky in a waving motion like a dolphin bouncing in and out of the water.

Speaker 21 Oh, you know what? Space dolphins move that way on porpoise.

Speaker 36 Really?

Speaker 21 I only said that because I wanted to see him make a face like he smelled a fod.

Speaker 92 As time went on, Gary became convinced that governments around the world, especially the United States government, had evidence that UFOs and aliens were real.

Speaker 99 But this evidence was being withheld from the population.

Speaker 21 Of course they withhold it. And thank God they do.
Or we'd be out of a job.

Speaker 131 Amen to that.

Speaker 136 While Gary McKinnon was an expert in computers and networking and worked as a systems administrator.

Speaker 40 Even though he was good at his job, he was bored with it.

Speaker 221 His real passion was UFOs, a passion that was becoming an obsession.

Speaker 121 And if the government was hiding information about UFOs, he was going to do something about it.

Speaker 21 Idol fins are the devil's playground. That's something I teach you all, my guppies.

Speaker 79 Gary knew that both NASA and the U.S.

Speaker 238 Department of Defense use Windows, which he described as a shit operating system.

Speaker 153 Using skills he learned as a sysadmin, he wrote a program to do one simple thing: check the passwords of all computers on a network.

Speaker 100 He wanted to know if they used the word password as a password or if they used no password at all.

Speaker 113 His program ran for a year and found hundreds of wide open government computers.

Speaker 99 To this day, he insists he wasn't hacking or attacking the computer systems.

Speaker 146 He said it was more like going fishing for information.

Speaker 21 Fishing, huh? That phrase is a microaggression.

Speaker 101 Save it for Twitter.

Speaker 117 Eventually, Gary found computers inside the U.S.

Speaker 142 Navy, US Space Command, and NASA, but he didn't find anything interesting until he stumbled across aliens?

Speaker 355 Not exactly.

Speaker 21 What did he find?

Speaker 354 He found a spreadsheet.

Speaker 21 Sometimes you are so disappointing.

Speaker 101 Gary McKinnon had accessed some of the most highly classified files in the US government.

Speaker 84 Most of what he found was pretty boring.

Speaker 116 Lots of staff reports, department memos, mostly just bureaucratic paperwork.

Speaker 181 But Gary found a spreadsheet on a U.S.

Speaker 109 Navy server that caught his eye.

Speaker 136 It was called Non-terrestrial officers and contained a list of names.

Speaker 31 He was looking at a list of people stationed somewhere other than planet Earth.

Speaker 21 Non-terrestrial officers could be humans serving on another planet or non-humans serving on this planet.

Speaker 116 Well, that's true, but in this case, Gary was pretty sure that these were humans because the list showed officer transfers from one ship to another.

Speaker 192 So Gary looked for the ships in the U.S.

Speaker 119 Naval Registry.

Speaker 21 Well, let me guess. The ships

Speaker 102 They appeared to belong to a secret fleet, a fleet operating in space.

Speaker 60 But that wasn't even the most interesting thing that he found.

Speaker 354 A spreadsheet is just words, but you know what's worth a thousand of those?

Speaker 51 A picture?

Speaker 61 A picture.

Speaker 358 Gary McKinnon had heard the testimony of a woman named Donna Hare.

Speaker 233 She was a former NASA employee who worked at the agency for years.

Speaker 62 She said she saw quite a few UFOs in NASA satellite photos, but the photos, both physical and digital, were always altered to remove the UFOs from the images.

Speaker 21 Oh, you don't say.

Speaker 58 In the 1980s, Donna was working for NASA at Johnson Space Center.

Speaker 35 Specifically, she worked in the highly secure area known as building number eight.

Speaker 196 One day, Donna stopped by a coworker's office about something completely different.

Speaker 51 When she walked in, this coworker had a satellite image on his computer screen.

Speaker 354 He showed her a white cigar-shaped object.

Speaker 238 He asked her what she thought it could be.

Speaker 102 She said it might be a blob on the emulsion or a scanning defect.

Speaker 94 But then he pointed to something that made Donna have to catch her breath.

Speaker 48 The object was casting a shadow on the ground.

Speaker 81 So whatever it was, it was real.

Speaker 233 Gary was intrigued by the story and thought Donna Hare was telling the truth.

Speaker 79 Since he already had access to NASA's computers, he wrote a program to search for the image.

Speaker 31 He narrowed his list of hundreds of computers down to just a few, inside building number eight.

Speaker 220 Naturally, they had blank passwords, so he logged into them one by one.

Speaker 129 Most of these machines had empty desktops, but one computer had folders named raw, filtered, processed, and unprocessed.

Speaker 165 This was exactly how Donna described the computer in building number eight.

Speaker 148 So this was the one.

Speaker 113 The folder it labeled unprocessed contained an image, but the file was huge so Gary couldn't download it.

Speaker 58 So he tried to view it on the remote desktop.

Speaker 128 So Gary McKinnon clicked the file and watched as the image appeared pixel by pixel, line by line.

Speaker 148 At first, he saw nothing but blank space, but then the hemisphere of the planet began to form, and then he saw clouds, and then about two-thirds of the way down, he saw what he was looking for: a spaceship.

Speaker 167 Gary saw a large silver cylinder, completely smooth, no rivets or seams of any kind.

Speaker 121 But a few seconds after opening the file, Gary noticed the mouse on the remote computer move, but he wasn't moving it.

Speaker 21 Uh-oh, the jig is up.

Speaker 165 Whoever was sitting at the computer in building number eight turned off their network connection, and Gary was disconnected.

Speaker 21 Oh no, did he get a screenshot?

Speaker 160 Nope, no time.

Speaker 105 So the good news for Gary McKinnon was his suspicions were proved correct.

Speaker 131 The bad news, the U.S.

Speaker 29 government was onto him.

Speaker 365 Is this a UFO?

Speaker 365 And he's smiling at me and he says, I can't tell you that. What I knew he meant was it was, but he couldn't tell me.
So I said, what are you going to do with this information?

Speaker 365 And he said, well, we always have to airbrush them out before we sell them to the public.

Speaker 364 And I was just amazed that they had a protocol in place for getting rid of UFO pictures.

Speaker 132 Gary McKinnon stumbled onto more evidence of what he saw in the file of non-terrestrial officers, evidence of a secret space program within the U.S.

Speaker 220 military.

Speaker 124 And this secret space program isn't new.

Speaker 163 There are clues about it going back over 50 years.

Speaker 226 In the 1960s, the U.S.

Speaker 132 Air Force had a program that ran in parallel with NASA's Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs.

Speaker 51 It was called the Manned Orbiting Laboratory, or MOL.

Speaker 163 The MOL program had its own facilities and its own staff.

Speaker 66 They had uniforms and spacesuits, but they were completely different from NASA's, so there'd be no confusion that the MOL employees worked for a completely different program.

Speaker 121 The operation was so secret that not even the wives knew what their husbands were working on.

Speaker 21 Adder wives don't need to know nothing. What happens in orbit stays in orbit.

Speaker 128 You've been divorced how many times?

Speaker 194 Three.

Speaker 106 Uh-huh. Cheap shit.

Speaker 367 The MOL program was created to develop a spy station in space, but it was canceled by President Richard Nixon in 1969.

Speaker 186 After Gary found the cigar-shaped UFO on the NASA computer and got caught, U.S.

Speaker 174 officials began to pressure the U.K.

Speaker 173 to help track him down.

Speaker 117 In early 2002, Gary was arrested and charged with 97 counts of causing damage to U.S.

Speaker 164 intelligence assets, and he was accused of doing $800,000 worth of damage.

Speaker 79 The US government claimed he hacked into dozens of military computers and 16 NASA computers.

Speaker 101 They claimed he altered and deleted files and that his activities were, in the U.S.

Speaker 94 government's words, intentional and calculated to influence and affect the US government by intimidation and coercion.

Speaker 354 These charges were very aggressive.

Speaker 121 Clearly, the U.S.

Speaker 99 government was concerned about what Gary found, so they wanted to make an example of him and make sure no one else would ever try to access a single document mentioning UFOs.

Speaker 121 Gary McKinnon spent 10 years defending himself against these charges and trying to stay in the UK.

Speaker 228 If he were charged in the United States, he'd be facing up to 70 years in federal prison.

Speaker 225 The media picked up the story but downplayed the UFO connection.

Speaker 227 McKinnon was described as a hacker trying to harm the Pentagon.

Speaker 39 The only major publication to mention the UFO side of the story was the UK Daily Mail.

Speaker 103 Gary said this publicity is one of the things that saved him.

Speaker 173 Eventually, his case landed on the desk of UK Home Secretary Theresa May, who would eventually go go on to be Prime Minister.

Speaker 169 She ruled that McKinnon could not be taken back to the U.S.

Speaker 39 because he suffered from Asperger's.

Speaker 109 Now, Gary McKinnon did break the law.

Speaker 195 There's no disputing that.

Speaker 238 But he also did the U.S.

Speaker 119 a favor.

Speaker 113 Using the hacker named Solo, he sent messages to U.S.

Speaker 184 agencies telling them their security was weak.

Speaker 161 He felt he was morally justified.

Speaker 199 I thought if this technology really does exist, it should be used for the good of all of us, you know, free energy,

Speaker 369 or at least very cheap. If this is is being kept secret, why? Because obviously that would be used against people if it's being kept secret rather than furthering humanity.

Speaker 369 But at the time, there was a very popular phrase banded about called heating or eating.

Speaker 369 Old age pensioners had to choose whether to pay for their heating or pay to have food and then sit on their chair with a blanket and eat their food.

Speaker 194 Gary McKinnon's case finally ended in 2012, and he became a celebrity in the UFO community.

Speaker 62 He'd exposed, or at least said he'd exposed, government knowledge of an alien presence.

Speaker 29 But his case proved there was something much more sinister going on.

Speaker 145 This wasn't something as simple as the U.S.

Speaker 221 government covering up UFOs.

Speaker 136 This was proof that there was a highly organized secret space program in place.

Speaker 88 This program has a staff of thousands, it has a fleet of spaceships, it has weapons more advanced than anything currently in use.

Speaker 370 And this program has a name, Solar Warden.

Speaker 366 Another incident: I knew someone in quarantine with the the Apollo astronauts.

Speaker 371 He told me that the Apollo astronauts saw crap on the moon when we landed. The astronauts are told to keep this quiet.
They're not allowed to talk about it.

Speaker 118 At the same time Gary McKinnon was snooping NASA's servers, rumors were going around about a secret space program named Solar Warden.

Speaker 101 Solar Warden came out of the program called the Strategic Defense Initiative.

Speaker 92 Now, this was a Reagan-era defense program nicknamed Star Wars by the media.

Speaker 169 Now, this program has multiple space platforms, similar to aircraft carriers.

Speaker 69 Its mission is to scan the solar system for unauthorized alien intrusions and report those intrusions to the U.S.

Speaker 58 Space Force.

Speaker 169 According to the rumors, the U.S.

Speaker 128 and other nations have treaties that say only a small number of alien visitors are allowed on Earth at a time.

Speaker 114 But the aliens had been breaking the treaties for decades.

Speaker 21 Arcturans, everybody knows those damn Arcturians can't be trusted.

Speaker 141 That sounds kind of racist.

Speaker 21 Save it for Twitter.

Speaker 362 Touche.

Speaker 92 As the story goes, Reagan was briefed on the aliens by military and civilian leaders.

Speaker 132 He immediately became determined to protect the Earth from the alien presence.

Speaker 167 Now, how do we know this?

Speaker 115 Reagan said so himself.

Speaker 118 In 2007, Harper Collins published The Reagan Diaries.

Speaker 153 This book is an insight into the president's daily life in the White House.

Speaker 173 His entries aren't written like a memoir, they're just thoughts that Reagan jotted down throughout the day.

Speaker 132 And on page 334, dated June 11th, 1985, the president made the following entry.

Speaker 210 Even if all the shuttles were used at the same time, which they never were, that's only 32 people.

Speaker 124 So what's Reagan talking about?

Speaker 153 Later, people suggested Reagan might not have been talking about space shuttles at all.

Speaker 84 Maybe he was referencing a program that was supposedly canceled in 1979.

Speaker 167 A program to develop a space plane called Starraker.

Speaker 21 Ooh, like the James Bond movie.

Speaker 34 No, that was Moonraker.

Speaker 355 Oh, right.

Speaker 21 Uh, hey, you know, that girl at the end of the movie had braces.

Speaker 225 Yep, I thought so too, but she didn't.

Speaker 224 That's a Mandela effect.

Speaker 21 I can't get my brain to accept it.

Speaker 52 I can't either.

Speaker 349 Anyway, the Starraker, unlike the shuttle, could carry a lot of people.

Speaker 121 It was bigger than a 747.

Speaker 196 It could carry a payload of 200,000 pounds, more than enough to put 300 people on a space platform.

Speaker 58 So it's possible that Reagan was right, and Solar Warden is real, at least technically.

Speaker 84 The first reference to a secret space program with the name Solar Warden is from early 2006.

Speaker 48 An anonymous post appeared on a bulletin board called the Open Minds Forum.

Speaker 215 We have a

Speaker 215 Not everything is as it seems. We have visited all the planets in our solar system, system, at a distance of course, except Mercury.
We've landed on Pluto and a few moons.

Speaker 215 These ships contain personnel from many countries and have sworn an oath to the world government. The technology came from bat engineering alien disc wreckage and at times with alien assistance.

Speaker 155 For a few years, Solar Warden flew mostly under the radar in UFO circles.

Speaker 186 But in 2012, Solar Warden was back.

Speaker 104 In November of that year, a Huffington Post article by reporter Darren Perks was the first major news article about Solar Warden.

Speaker 115 It was also the first to tie in the story of Gary McKinnon.

Speaker 165 The article claimed that the program began in 1980 and operates under the U.S.

Speaker 34 Naval Network and Space Operations Command, the NNSOC.

Speaker 218 The space fleet has eight massive carriers, each over 600 feet long.

Speaker 184 Each carrier is staffed by 300 people and protected by about 40 scout ships.

Speaker 152 and these ships are used to intercept alien intruders.

Speaker 108 According to the report, there are permanent multinational bases on the moon and Mars that are supplied by the carriers.

Speaker 21 So that's why we never went back to the moon.

Speaker 36 Right.

Speaker 195 At least, not publicly.

Speaker 373 Darren Perks personally investigated the Solar Warden story, and in 2010, he was contacted by a whistleblower in the U.S.

Speaker 220 Department of Defense.

Speaker 169 This contact confirmed that Solar Warden is real.

Speaker 215 While conducting a FOIA freedom of information request with the DOD, Department of Defense, in 2010, I had a much unexpected response by email from them, which read, About an hour ago, I spoke to a NASA rep who confirmed this was their program and it was terminated by then President Obama.

Speaker 215 He also informed me that it was not a joint program with the DOD. The NASA rep informed me that you should be directed to the Johnson Space Center FOIA manager.

Speaker 136 So assuming Perks wasn't lying, the email response clearly indicated Solar Warden existed, or something like it did, but was canceled by President Obama in the early 2000s.

Speaker 167 Perks never followed up on his original article, and as you might expect, neither NASA nor the DoD has ever mentioned it.

Speaker 159 So if all we have are reports from anonymous people, that's not much proof of Solar Warden.

Speaker 108 But in 2007, we'd get more evidence, and this time, they're pictures.

Speaker 360 In 2007, a British amateur astronomer named John Leonard Walson started using a new technique to film the night sky.

Speaker 135 By attaching special equipment to his telescope, he records objects in visible, infrared, and ultraviolet spectrums.

Speaker 117 He then takes the clearest frame from each band and combines them.

Speaker 101 This process is called luminance layering.

Speaker 232 Walson first used the technique to view the space shuttle and the International Space Station, and experts confirmed that his technique works.

Speaker 121 But things got really weird when he started recording videos of stars in the sky.

Speaker 74 Walson discovered that many of the stars are not stars at all.

Speaker 232 They're in fact massive, highly reflective space platforms, exactly the type that Solar Warden uses.

Speaker 129 Some platforms have solar panels.

Speaker 177 Other have what what looks like weapons attached to the structures.

Speaker 122 He said some of the objects look like spaceships from Star Trek that might be used by the Federation or Klingons.

Speaker 21 Oh, oh, what a toilet paper and Captain Kirk have in common.

Speaker 171 Please don't.

Speaker 21 They both fly past Uranus and wipe out the Klingons.

Speaker 99 Walsen seemed to be confirming the presence of a vast fleet in the space above us, exactly as Solar Warden believers claimed.

Speaker 21 Oh, the government government probably hates this guy, yeah?

Speaker 149 They sure do.

Speaker 39 Not long after releasing his images, the infamous black helicopters appeared, flying very close to his house.

Speaker 121 Walson said that he was even being intimidated by what he called a government goon.

Speaker 67 And they even got physical at one point.

Speaker 31 But there's more to Solar Warden than just questionable videos taken with a telescope.

Speaker 84 In the mid-1980s, rumors emerged of a secret government project, codenamed Aurora.

Speaker 32 Aurora is a triangle-shaped space plane.

Speaker 114 The program was even covered in aviation magazines.

Speaker 121 Now, there weren't many UFO sightings described as triangles before the 80s, but now this is a common type of UFO.

Speaker 196 Also during this time, the British Ministry of Defense opened up a highly classified office dedicated to quietly investigating UFOs.

Speaker 237 One of its employees was Nick Pope.

Speaker 77 Nick said on the wall of the main office was a large photograph of an object known as the Calving UFO, which was taken near Calving, England on August 4th, 1990.

Speaker 196 The original photo has disappeared, but it depicted an 80-foot-long wedge or diamond-shaped object in the sky being chased away by a Harrier jet.

Speaker 69 This happened in front of civilian witnesses who took the picture.

Speaker 70 Using the recollections of people who had seen the actual photos, computer artists later recreated the image.

Speaker 167 And that was the last anyone heard about the UFO photo.

Speaker 55 But in 2022, a former British intelligence officer named Craig Lindsay released a scan of what he claimed was the authentic, original Calvin UFO photo.

Speaker 97 It showed the diamond-shaped object, the Harrier jet, and the fence in the foreground almost exactly matching the artist's rendering of the scene.

Speaker 31 Lindsay's photo was confirmed by experts to be authentic.

Speaker 21 So it was real?

Speaker 51 Well, no.

Speaker 36 Well, maybe.

Speaker 105 Probably not.

Speaker 348 The photo paper was authentic and typical for the 90s, but the originals are supposed to be color photos.

Speaker 133 Lindsay's is black and white.

Speaker 77 Also, the exact location of the original Calvin UFO photo was found, and the background didn't match.

Speaker 209 There should be hills and fields and trees in the background, and there just aren't.

Speaker 62 Now, supporters say you can't see the background in the photos because it's too foggy, but weather reports say the day the photo was taken was perfectly clear.

Speaker 62 So whatever Lindsay's photo is, it's probably not one of the originals.

Speaker 62 But the original photograph was taken by two civilian hikers, and for some strange reason, their identities are classified until the year 2076.

Speaker 155 And the photos do match the craft developed by the Aurora Project.

Speaker 173 And there are plenty of witnesses who say that's exactly what the Calvin UFO really is.

Speaker 238 So unless the original photos are found or we can speak to the hikers, we may never know what the object really was.

Speaker 184 Now, skeptics of Solar Warden say it's too difficult to keep such a large program secret, that people who were part of the program would talk.

Speaker 109 And they're right, people would talk.

Speaker 146 In fact, they did.

Speaker 30 The Air Force official response to any reports of that nature is that we have no such program.

Speaker 206 But there's a growing body of evidence that seems to indicate otherwise.

Speaker 323 A hypersonic aircraft with a speed of around 4,000 miles per hour. If you look at it from underneath,

Speaker 323 what you see is a perfect triangle, really quite unlike anything else that has ever been flown.

Speaker 206 And according to Bill Sweetman, there's the Air Force's secret test base in southern Nevada called Groom Lake.

Speaker 323 There is something going on on a very large scale, and simply denying that anything like Aurora exists leaves wide open the question of what's going on there.

Speaker 206 Still, the Air Force says it knows nothing.

Speaker 373 Shortly after the Solar Warden story emerged, several witnesses came forward, each claiming to have been a part of the secret space program.

Speaker 93 One of these was Laura Eisenhower, great-granddaughter of President Dwight Eisenhower.

Speaker 183 She said that at an early age, she'd been kidnapped and sent to other planets.

Speaker 114 She claimed she was involved in a war with an alien species called the Archons.

Speaker 69 Andrew Vasiago was another whistleblower.

Speaker 56 He said he was recognized at an early age as an ideal fit for a secret space program.

Speaker 34 He claimed that he used a teleporter, not a spaceship, to travel to Mars on many occasions.

Speaker 44 And while on Mars, he engaged in armed conflict with alien species.

Speaker 58 And by 2015, other whistleblowers confirmed their involvement, not just in a vague secret space program, but specifically in a program called Solar Warden.

Speaker 354 Corey Good said he was removed from his old life in the 1980s, then reverse aged 20 years and recruited into a secret military program.

Speaker 21 Ugh, I'd like to reverse age 20 years.

Speaker 372 You and me both, mal.

Speaker 101 Now, Corey Good described a friendly race of blue avians that were part of a super federation of aliens.

Speaker 34 The federation is trying to help the human race fight off alien invaders, including a reptilian race.

Speaker 21 Is it people from outer space? Yep.

Speaker 376 So most of these unwanted entrances into our solar system would be more small groups of ETs or single craft that are trying to be be sneaky. Right.
Just kind of slip in.

Speaker 376 Marauder groups that would come in and do hit and runs to come in and take things and leave.

Speaker 21 Elizabeth people are crafty. So very, very crafty.

Speaker 92 Good said some people part of the secret space program are trying to push full disclosure, trying to force the alien presence into the open by doing flybys of the International Space Station and popping up on photos and videos.

Speaker 52 But disclosure still hasn't happened, and Solar Warden is virtually unknown to most of the population.

Speaker 72 So either there's no such thing as Solar Warden or a secret space program, or it is true, and our solar system is a far more dangerous place than any of us could have possibly imagined.

Speaker 232 Solar Warden and the secret space program is a major branch of ufology.

Speaker 221 And because of social media, it's becoming more mainstream.

Speaker 162 Solar Warden is covered everywhere from YouTube to TikTok to the occasional mainstream news story.

Speaker 40 But is it true?

Speaker 36 No. Well, maybe.

Speaker 53 Some of it.

Speaker 87 Gary McKinnon is certainly a real person, but he says he doesn't know anything about Solar Warden or how he got associated with it.

Speaker 358 He never saw that name on any document or image that he accessed.

Speaker 132 It seems that the article by Darren Perks in 2012 is what connected Gary to the Solar Warden mythology.

Speaker 31 And it's easy to understand the connection.

Speaker 248 The picture of the ship McKinnon saw sounds a lot like the carrier platforms in Solar Warden stories.

Speaker 197 But even if Gary McKinnon saw a picture of a UFO, and I believe he did, it's a leap to go from one photo to a huge secret space program conspiracy.

Speaker 192 Now, other aspects of the story, the carriers, the fighters, the large crews, and the guarding of the solar system,

Speaker 153 these sound like the plots of well-known science fiction books and TV shows.

Speaker 84 For example, a spaceship, moon bases, and fighters that monitor the solar system come straight from a 1970 British TV show called UFO.

Speaker 21 Ooh, is that the groovy one with the moon girls in short skirts and silver cat suits and the purple wigs?

Speaker 143 That's the one.

Speaker 21 Did I mention the short skirts? You did.

Speaker 21 He's a great show. He's really

Speaker 21 such a good.

Speaker 21 I always liked the

Speaker 21 way he's a good tanya.

Speaker 51 Okay, snap out of it.

Speaker 52 Sorry.

Speaker 116 The show also featured Sid, the space intruder detector.

Speaker 166 Its job was to scan near-Earth space for alien intruders, just like Solar Warden.

Speaker 38 And some of the eyewitnesses, like Corey Goode, have been exposed as frauds.

Speaker 197 He was forced to testify under oath that he made the whole thing up, especially the part about the blue avians helping to protect the Earth.

Speaker 21 Well, maybe he made that part up, but lizard people are definitely real.

Speaker 209 Eyewitnesses like Laura Eisenhower and Andrew Bassiago may be telling the truth, but their stories are a hodgepodge of every science fiction trope you can think of.

Speaker 343 Time travel, teleportation, zero-point energy, and the list goes on.

Speaker 161 Now, I'm not saying they're lying, but I am saying they both tell very convoluted stories.

Speaker 102 The only aspect of Solar Warden that holds up to any scrutiny is Gary McKinnon's personal testimony.

Speaker 109 But unfortunately, that's all we have, his word.

Speaker 174 Now, think of the logistics involved in something like Solar Warden.

Speaker 142 In order for it to work, every nation on Earth would have to be involved.

Speaker 73 Russia, China, the US, and really every industrialized country on Earth is aware when any other country launches a rocket of any kind.

Speaker 225 You couldn't put a fleet's worth of equipment into space without somebody noticing.

Speaker 35 You'd also have to constantly be sending food and water and air into space to resupply the fleet.

Speaker 21 Or they raise their own livestock in space and they grow vegetables with hydroponics.

Speaker 73 What do you know about hydroponics?

Speaker 21 Let's just say in college, I was very industrious.

Speaker 20 Ah.

Speaker 113 So if Solar Warden does exist, that would mean every nation on Earth has set aside their differences and come together for a common goal.

Speaker 111 That's actually a nice thought.

Speaker 125 Unfortunately, that common goal is protecting the human race from destruction by an alien invasion.

Speaker 163 Now, that's terrifying.

Speaker 82 So I don't know if Solar Warden is real.

Speaker 68 But when I think about its purpose, I really hope it isn't.

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Speaker 69 On April 7th, 2016, the team running NASA's New Horizons mission were waiting nervously.

Speaker 84 The spacecraft was about to enter the outermost reaches of our solar system.

Speaker 152 They'd aimed toward Pluto, which lives in a region of the solar system called the Kuiper Belt.

Speaker 124 Just before arriving at the dwarf planet, the team noticed an object nearby, and it was acting very strange.

Speaker 33 This object, whatever it was, was spinning faster than everything else around it.

Speaker 109 Too fast, artificially fast.

Speaker 69 New Horizons changed course to do a flyby.

Speaker 204 They wanted a better look at this bizarre behavior.

Speaker 63 But as the spacecraft approached the object, all communications went down.

Speaker 59 NASA wasn't able to see or hear anything.

Speaker 108 Something or someone was blocking the signal.

Speaker 326 Whoever it was did not want NASA to know they were there and that they'd been watching us for a very long time.

Speaker 152 The Kuiper Belt is a doughnut-shaped region of space way out on the far end of the solar system, and it is a huge region of space.

Speaker 58 Its inner edge begins at the orbit of Neptune at about 30 AU from the Sun.

Speaker 33 Now, one AU or astronomical unit is the distance from the Earth to the Sun.

Speaker 92 So the inner edge of the Kuiper Belt is about 2.8 billion miles from the Sun.

Speaker 51 Then it extends for about another 4.5 billion miles.

Speaker 62 Now beyond the Kuiper Belt is a structure called the Oort Cloud and that place is way farther, much bigger, and really strange.

Speaker 357 We'll cover the Oort cloud in another episode.

Speaker 132 Now the existence of the Kuiper Belt was first hypothesized in 1943 by Irish astronomer Kenneth Edgeworth.

Speaker 33 He felt there was a reservoir of comets and asteroids residing in the solar system beyond the planets.

Speaker 68 Edgeworth was right, and the Kuiper Belt was finally visually confirmed in 1992.

Speaker 38 David Jewitt and grad student Jane Liu discovered the first Kuiper Belt objects, or KBOs.

Speaker 204 Now, KBOs are the various comets, dwarf planets, asteroids, and other icy bodies that make up the Kuiper Belt.

Speaker 184 Jewitt and Liu named their discovery as a tribute to Gerard Kuiper, who is considered to be the father of planetary science.

Speaker 84 Before he proposed the concept of the Kuiper Belt in 1951, he'd already discovered the moons of Neptune.

Speaker 21 Ew, did he look at Uranus?

Speaker 40 Are we gonna do this every time?

Speaker 58 What?

Speaker 21 I just wanna know if this scientist was interested in Uranus.

Speaker 317 He was.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 177 He's the one who discovered its moons.

Speaker 21 Yeah, if you look close enough, you'll see plenty of stuff around Uranus.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 21 Hey, ladies, if a man is willing to give you the moon and the stars, the least you could do is give him Uranus.

Speaker 182 That's enough.

Speaker 143 We've been aware of the Kuiper Belt for a long time, but didn't realize it.

Speaker 58 Pluto is actually a KBO and one of the largest of the dwarf planets at 1500 miles.

Speaker 164 It even has its own moons, which is probably why astronomers called it a planet for so long.

Speaker 152 In the more than 30 years since its discovery, the Kuiper Belt is still a mystery.

Speaker 10 The Kuiper Belt is truly a frontier in space. It's a place we're still just beginning to explore and our understanding is still evolving.

Speaker 124 Along with countless comets and asteroids, the Kuiper Belt is home to at least seven dwarf planets, most of which are roughly 600 to 900 miles in diameter.

Speaker 198 Eris, discovered in 2005, is the most massive object found so far, and new KBOs are discovered all the time.

Speaker 153 Now, most of the objects found in the Kuiper Belt are easy to explain.

Speaker 204 They're easy to identify, and they're easy to track.

Speaker 152 But there are things in the Kuiper Belt that don't act like science says they should.

Speaker 72 They are unpredictable.

Speaker 86 They're unnatural.

Speaker 82 And some would say they seem almost intentional.

Speaker 133 These Kuiper Belt objects challenge our understanding of the solar system

Speaker 184 and whether we are the only ones here.

Speaker 77 On May 12, 1994, Michael Irwin and Anna Zhitkov were working late.

Speaker 21 Anda Zhitkov?

Speaker 342 Anna Zhitkov.

Speaker 22 What I say.

Speaker 58 They were the on-duty astronomers at the Roco de los Machachos Observatory in the Canary Islands.

Speaker 204 It was a quiet night like any other night.

Speaker 237 And then they spotted something.

Speaker 292 It glowed and then dimmed.

Speaker 144 It glowed and then dimmed.

Speaker 152 This was different than any other object around it.

Speaker 33 It glowed and dimmed in a regular rhythm.

Speaker 222 every five and a half hours, which by space standards is fast, insanely fast.

Speaker 105 Too fast.

Speaker 97 So fast the centrifugal force should rip a regular KBO apart.

Speaker 140 Most Kuiper Belt objects are bits of dust and ice.

Speaker 58 They shatter like glass.

Speaker 93 Ana and Michael had never seen anything like this.

Speaker 108 According to science, this object shouldn't even exist.

Speaker 153 This gave the astronomers an ominous feeling.

Speaker 89 Current technology didn't allow them to get a good enough look to fully identify it.

Speaker 241 So they named it after the Welsh god of the underworld, Adao.

Speaker 73 23 years later, technology caught up.

Speaker 68 We were finally able to get close enough for a look.

Speaker 59 In April 2016, NASA's New Horizons mission reached the Kuiper Belt.

Speaker 210 Next stop, Arau.

Speaker 119 It was on the way to Pluto, the perfect flyby opportunity to answer a decades-old question: what the heck is this crazy spinning object at the end of the solar system?

Speaker 82 But just as New Horizons moved in for the close-up,

Speaker 127 things went dark.

Speaker 93 Nothing worked.

Speaker 58 There had been what's called a CPU safing event that put New Horizons into safe mode.

Speaker 92 Safe mode shuts down all essential systems and is triggered automatically when the spacecraft detects something unusual.

Speaker 121 But the team was stumped.

Speaker 154 After a few hours of the craft running in safe mode, one NASA engineer approached a supervisor with a terrifying idea.

Speaker 204 The engineer looked around as if to reveal a secret and then quietly said, it seems like someone is jamming the signal.

Speaker 114 As if they were aware of our presence and didn't want us to see what they were doing.

Speaker 204 And the way Around spun, that insanely fast five and a half hour rotation, no one had figured that out yet in over 20 years since first seeing it.

Speaker 58 And those who tried to understand the spin agreed.

Speaker 79 Adaon's movements seemed artificial.

Speaker 153 It was creating its own gravity within the interior of the object.

Speaker 204 Now, the concept of spin gravity wasn't new to NASA.

Speaker 73 NASA started experimenting with artificial gravity in the 1960s.

Speaker 62 Experts have developed ideas for space stations filled with small towns and farms and parks.

Speaker 152 The space station could be designed as a giant spinning cylinder.

Speaker 357 Each of these structures could rotate to create artificial gravity along the inner surface.

Speaker 153 We've seen this concept in science fiction over and over again.

Speaker 152 But science fiction is about as far as these ideas have gotten.

Speaker 175 Test results on artificial gravity are always the same.

Speaker 159 Humans are not well suited to it.

Speaker 152 When exposed to artificial gravity, we're subjected to what's known as Coriolis force deviation.

Speaker 198 This causes motions going in a straight line to bend, often quite a lot.

Speaker 152 Coriolis causes motion sickness and all sorts of other dysfunctions.

Speaker 121 Humans living in artificial gravity do not do well.

Speaker 40 Basically, we puke and die.

Speaker 284 Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that vomit on a space station is a problem.

Speaker 87 But Adaon was spinning in a way that seemed like someone was controlling it.

Speaker 60 And if there is someone controlling the object, they don't want to be seen.

Speaker 32 And of all the places in the solar system, the Kuiper Belt is the best place to hide.

Speaker 153 The Kuiper Belt is 30 to 50 times farther away from the Sun than we are.

Speaker 60 At that distance, things get really dark.

Speaker 58 Also, the Kuiper Belt is littered with random, oddly shaped objects.

Speaker 357 It wouldn't be hard to hide amongst the mess.

Speaker 31 These were the kinds of questions being asked when New Horizons went dark.

Speaker 58 Now, after a while, the spacecraft drifted away from Araum.

Speaker 152 Suddenly, New Horizons came back to life, booted up, and the journey into the Kuiper Belt continued as planned.

Speaker 76 But what just happened?

Speaker 248 And how did it happen?

Speaker 47 But before these questions could be answered, someone realized Araum wasn't alone in its odd behavior.

Speaker 103 New Horizons was surrounded by KBOs acting strangely.

Speaker 152 It was like something was bending the laws of physics.

Speaker 153 And the deeper New Horizons moved into the darkness, the more they realized they weren't alone.

Speaker 82 According to the nemesis theory, we live in a two-star or binary solar system.

Speaker 69 Our sun, the only star we can see, has a companion star.

Speaker 79 a brown dwarf residing deep in the Kuiper belt.

Speaker 101 Brown dwarfs are actually called failed stars.

Speaker 79 They're huge objects, about 80 times the size of Jupiter, but they don't have enough mass to ignite their hydrogen cores, so they don't burn, they don't shine.

Speaker 109 But in the depths of the Kuiper Belt, a brown dwarf would be invisible.

Speaker 204 This object is known as Planet X or Planet 9.

Speaker 332 No, Nibiru.

Speaker 204 Right, some people think Planet X is Nibiru, home of the Anunnaki.

Speaker 21 Still waiting on that Anunnaki episode, Chief.

Speaker 71 I'm working on it.

Speaker 204 Planet X lies well beyond Pluto, extremely far away.

Speaker 140 But this enormous object is still close enough to influence the orbits of the outer planets in our solar system and everything else in the Kuiper Belt.

Speaker 176 Now, it sounds like science fiction, but it's not.

Speaker 135 NASA has been actively searching for Planet X for decades.

Speaker 82 If it's out there, it would explain why some Kuiper Belt objects act so weird.

Speaker 24 But Planet X doesn't explain all KBOs.

Speaker 152 Along with Around, there are a few KBOs that make no sense at all.

Speaker 48 Meet KBO 2008 KV42, a comet within the Kuiper Belt.

Speaker 72 KV42 is nicknamed Drock, after Dracula, as vampires have the ability to walk on walls.

Speaker 21 So this comet walks on walls?

Speaker 16 Sorta, yeah.

Speaker 153 Everything in the solar system moves around the sun in the same direction.

Speaker 92 This is called pro-grade orbit.

Speaker 92 And if you look at the orbits of all the objects from the side, they're basically on the same flat plane this is called the plane of the ecliptic so you remember how Dracula can walk on walls that's what drock is doing with its orbit drock moves in total retrograde in the opposite direction of everything else and it ignores the plane of the ecliptic it's just out there doing its own thing and drock ain't small this comet is 30 miles across If it hit Earth, it would cause an extinction level event.

Speaker 354 Actually, Drock could destroy the Earth entirely.

Speaker 62 Now, thankfully, Drock's orbit is about twice as far as Neptune, but we're still keeping an eye on it.

Speaker 46 Now, new photos of the outer bands of the Kuiper Belt are coming out all the time, thanks to the James Webb Space Telescope.

Speaker 96 But what we're told and what we're shown is incredibly controlled.

Speaker 58 On this channel, we've proven that NASA alters images before releasing them to the public. We've talked about plenty of NASA's bizarre comments and outright lies.

Speaker 153 Then, every so often, we're teased with headlines about potentially science-changing discoveries.

Speaker 230 Bizarre object 10 million times brighter than the sun defies physics, NASA says. NASA's James Webb Space Telescope may have found early galaxies that shouldn't be there.

Speaker 377 Webb telescope spots strange objects in the Orion Nebula. They aren't planets or stars.
And according to the astronomers who found them, they shouldn't exist.

Speaker 191 Strange circles seen in space baffle scientists.

Speaker 31 Even though these are all legitimate news reports covering official NASA press releases, they're meaningless clickbait.

Speaker 153 When the press asks for specific data on their investigations, NASA spits out overly scientific jargon.

Speaker 60 None of it means anything.

Speaker 211 But despite all these efforts to suppress information, there are a few brave people coming forward with very interesting new information.

Speaker 143 These people know a lot about the Kuiper Belt.

Speaker 204 How do they know so much?

Speaker 38 Well, because they were there.

Speaker 116 Rebecca Rose was only four years old the first time it happened.

Speaker 38 She woke up from a deep sleep with a sense she wasn't alone.

Speaker 184 She tried to move, to cry out, she couldn't.

Speaker 53 She was paralyzed.

Speaker 156 Several strangers were in her bedroom.

Speaker 354 They hovered silently over her bed, but she couldn't make out their faces.

Speaker 43 Then, there was a flash of blinding bright light and the rush of cold air.

Speaker 43 For a brief moment, Rebecca felt weightless.

Speaker 120 When her eyes adjusted, she realized she wasn't in her room anymore.

Speaker 362 She tried to move, but she was still paralyzed and now strapped to a metal table.

Speaker 210 The room was sterile and metallic, with strange equipment hanging on the walls.

Speaker 204 The air was warm, humid, and thick with a pungent medicinal smell.

Speaker 35 She spotted a figure in the corner, one of the strangers, the tall one she called him.

Speaker 23 Though his mouth didn't move, she heard him say, you are in no danger.

Speaker 38 We just want you to play.

Speaker 58 Rebecca was confused. Then the stranger gestured to a small table on the other side of the room.

Speaker 143 There were books, puzzles, and all kinds of games.

Speaker 145 Some games tested logic, some tested math, some tested visual comprehension and memory.

Speaker 101 For what felt like hours, Rebecca solved what puzzles she could.

Speaker 105 Then the stranger approached, smiled at her, and everything once again went white.

Speaker 58 Rebecca opened her eyes and saw she was back in bed and just in time for school.

Speaker 31 As far as she knew, she was unharmed except for a persistent nosebleed.

Speaker 152 Rebecca went to school like any other day.

Speaker 92 The memories of her experience faded quickly, like when you lose the details of a dream.

Speaker 132 So by the time Rebecca was being tucked into bed that night, she barely remembered anything at all.

Speaker 341 She peacefully drifted off to sleep, but soon she'd realize this was only the beginning.

Speaker 58 The strangers kept coming back, night after night, and Rebecca would take tests and solve puzzles night after night.

Speaker 167 As these experiences became more routine and as she got older, Rebecca was able to learn more about what was happening to her.

Speaker 349 First, her playroom, or whatever you'd call it, is on a base on the moon.

Speaker 31 From her window, she could see a sprawling complex of buildings built into the familiar white cratered landscape.

Speaker 101 And eventually Rebecca realized the strangers weren't human.

Speaker 153 She was being abducted by aliens, aliens of many different races.

Speaker 100 She saw mantids who resembled large praying mantises.

Speaker 58 She mostly saw aliens that we would call greys.

Speaker 48 During one of her sessions, the greys activated Rebecca's psychic abilities.

Speaker 204 All humans have this gift, but very few of us have access to it.

Speaker 80 The puzzles and tests Rebecca had been taking over the years were actually a psychic training program to teach Rebecca how to access and control her psychic abilities.

Speaker 94 Once Rebecca became skilled in telepathy, she was forced to telepathically interface with beings who were being held captive on the base.

Speaker 59 Some of the beings looked human, others didn't.

Speaker 33 But she was able to feel that they were all sentient and aware of what was happening to them.

Speaker 157 and she could sense they were all terrified.

Speaker 58 Through the telepathic interface, Rebecca extracted DNA samples.

Speaker 62 For what purpose, she didn't know and she didn't ask.

Speaker 31 After four years of intense training, Rebecca was summoned to a meeting.

Speaker 69 She saw mantids and greys, but she also saw men dressed in military uniforms.

Speaker 100 They sat her down and said, Rebecca, your training is over.

Speaker 246 You're ready.

Speaker 265 Rebecca asked, ready for what?

Speaker 132 They finally told her why she'd been visiting the moon base for the last four years and why she was taken from her family, why she had to interface with alien species and why she was taught to develop her psychic powers.

Speaker 184 They said, Rebecca, you're joining the Dark Fleet.

Speaker 103 After her training, nine-year-old Rebecca Rose was taken from her home for the last time.

Speaker 152 She was brought to the Great Lakes Naval Station and put through trauma-based mind control programming.

Speaker 140 This was done using techniques perfected in the CIA's MKUltra project. Next, she's strapped to a seat and sent through a jump gate.

Speaker 92 Jump gates are portals that can transport people and objects across huge distances instantly.

Speaker 204 Rebecca would now begin her 20-year mission, and so she jumped.

Speaker 164 For the next few years, Rebecca spent most of her time on air patrol.

Speaker 12 The Mars Defense Force used retrofitted helicopters to protect the area around the Dark Fleet base on Mars.

Speaker 21 Protect the base from what?

Speaker 31 Indigenous Martian life, like the mantids and reptilians.

Speaker 21 Lizard Martians?

Speaker 54 Yep.

Speaker 79 Primary mission was to protect the base, but if she could capture an alien to acquire its technology, that would be even better.

Speaker 21 Oh, it's very hard to snatch a lizard Martian.

Speaker 246 They're crafty.

Speaker 82 Well, that may be true, but Rebecca was given cybernetic enhancements to turn her into a super soldier.

Speaker 59 Enhancements focused on optimizing physiology, enhancing psychic abilities, increasing durability and combat effectiveness.

Speaker 93 She also had advanced armor and weapon systems directly integrated with her body and her cybernetic technology.

Speaker 21 This is one-tuffed wood.

Speaker 81 She was.

Speaker 140 Because of her cybernetic systems and enhanced abilities, Rebecca was an extremely valuable asset to the Mars Defense Force.

Speaker 67 Maybe Maybe too valuable.

Speaker 118 What do you mean?

Speaker 100 Toward the end of her 20-year tour, Rebecca was sold to the Draconians.

Speaker 146 Not the Draco!

Speaker 61 Beyond the Kuiper Belt is Planet X, the brown dwarf, and Planet X is ruled by the Draconians.

Speaker 51 The Draconians are a powerful reptilian species.

Speaker 40 They're the most ancient race in the solar system.

Speaker 58 They control large bases and ships throughout and beyond the Kuiper Belt.

Speaker 153 And the Draconians are to be feared.

Speaker 210 First of all, they're intimidating to look at.

Speaker 92 Most Draco are over 20 feet tall with wings.

Speaker 40 They have the ability to paralyze people just by looking at them.

Speaker 192 Here's how another soldier described one.

Speaker 187 Without any warning whatsoever, we were all paralyzed. No one could even talk.
I was instantly nauseated, wanting to both throw up and crap all at once. It felt very violating what was unfolding.

Speaker 187 I didn't get any of it. And even more disturbing, it was all mental.
I heard a voice inside of my head. A very loud, deep voice, frightening as hell.

Speaker 187 Up until that point, all of my telepathic encounters were of a normal exchange. Felt much like the volume and intensity of my own thoughts.
This was anything but.

Speaker 95 But the biggest reason to fear the Draco is technology.

Speaker 59 They've mastered advanced holographic technology, psychic manipulation, and portal tech far beyond anything humans have.

Speaker 143 So Rebecca was sold to the Draco as part of a diplomatic trade package.

Speaker 140 Basically, take our best soldiers and please don't kill us.

Speaker 143 Draconians use their advanced technology and psychic powers to dominate worlds through fear and force.

Speaker 289 They had built an empire as slave traders and Planet X is their homeworld.

Speaker 59 If the Draco demand a few human soldiers as tribute, you have no choice but to comply.

Speaker 66 So Rebecca was put to work as a patrol pilot once again, but this time she was protecting a large ship that was orbiting Planet X.

Speaker 58 Her time serving the Draco was very traumatizing. She was forced to kill non-threatening beings.

Speaker 143 Her life was brutal, but she had her training and she had her cybernetic enhancements to keep her going.

Speaker 153 But there was light at the end of the tunnel for Rebecca.

Speaker 114 Her 20-year commitment was about to end.

Speaker 226 There was a roar in her ears, a flash of bright light, and the familiar feeling of weightlessness.

Speaker 54 Then

Speaker 20 silence.

Speaker 209 Then Rebecca heard birds outside, children playing. She was back home.

Speaker 125 And not just back home on Earth, she was back in her nine-year-old body.

Speaker 152 All the memories of her last 20 years started to vanish.

Speaker 21 Was this all a dream?

Speaker 189 Nope.

Speaker 196 The memories were real.

Speaker 197 They were fading because the Dark Fleet was wiping her brain.

Speaker 62 But in 2012, at age 40, Rebecca suffered a freak accident, and then all the memories came rushing back.

Speaker 135 But she wasn't alone in her experience.

Speaker 34 Many other people have come forward, all describing similar childhood experiences.

Speaker 152 The abduction, the training, the deployment to various bases and the 20-year commitment.

Speaker 58 The whistleblowers call the program 20 and back.

Speaker 152 These children are forced into a slave-like warrior state.

Speaker 92 They're genetically engineered over their entire lives.

Speaker 204 They endure physical and psychological abuse that we can't imagine and suffer in ways that would cause most people to break.

Speaker 152 All this suffering for a 20-year space program or a dark fleet controlled by the U.S.

Speaker 67 Navy, but ultimately to serve the Galactic Federation.

Speaker 210 Scientists still don't know why the New Horizons spacecraft shut down when it approached the Raon in the Kuiper Belt.

Speaker 92 But the survivors of the 20 and Back program, they know why.

Speaker 159 Humans are not allowed out that far.

Speaker 238 The human race is permitted to travel to the edge of the Kuiper Belt, but no farther.

Speaker 103 The entire solar system may belong to us, but everything else, it belongs to the Draco.

Speaker 210 There are many people who claim to be veterans of the 20 and Back Space Force program.

Speaker 31 It's a complex topic and deserves its own episode.

Speaker 62 So if you'd like to see that, let me know.

Speaker 58 But I will cover this in more detail on the podcast.

Speaker 357 So is the 20 and back story or the Dark Fleet true?

Speaker 18 Probably not.

Speaker 88 Almost definitely not.

Speaker 62 It's hard to know for sure where the story started because there's a lot of drama around it. Most people believe it started with Corey Goode.

Speaker 378 Between the age of 16 and 17 years old, I was transported to the moon and after 20 years, I was age regressed back in time and then returned to civilian life.

Speaker 58 He came on the scene around 2010 with the story of being recruited as a child into a secret space program. He made a big splash with the story and gained a large following.

Speaker 152 But he admits that some of the story is real and some is made up.

Speaker 379 What does it matter if it's real or not?

Speaker 158 I'm asking you whether it was dramatization or was it real?

Speaker 185 It's

Speaker 379 a real part of my

Speaker 379 dream or delusion of whatever you want to call it. I created,

Speaker 279 created all of this.

Speaker 79 But which memories are real and which are not?

Speaker 204 He doesn't know.

Speaker 379 Some of these memories could be real or they could be creation.

Speaker 379 I'm not exactly sure.

Speaker 21 If he can't tell which memories are real, then how are we supposed to know if any of this is true?

Speaker 21 Hey, uh, by the way, that doesn't look like an interview.

Speaker 102 Uh, it's sort of an interview.

Speaker 119 He's being deposed by an attorney.

Speaker 149 Oh, uh-oh.

Speaker 58 Yeah, Corey is suing people claiming that he owns the story about 20 and back and the secret space program.

Speaker 379 Like I said, the 20 and back is my creation, it's a part of my intellectual property.

Speaker 379 Me creating it means it came out of me and that it is my story and it was never anywhere before.

Speaker 69 But it's possible Corey Good didn't invent the story at all.

Speaker 62 Michael Relfi published a series of books called The Mars Records in the year 2000, long before Corey Good showed up.

Speaker 89 And Relfi talks about child recruitment, psychic training, age regression, reptilians, and a lot of the same things in the 20 and back story.

Speaker 68 And you might remember Al Bielik from a few of our other episodes.

Speaker 114 He also talked about age regression and being sent back in time for a mission.

Speaker 380 After I jumped off the eldridge and went to the year 2137.

Speaker 297 Well, I thought you went to the year 1983, though.

Speaker 380 That was the last to stop.

Speaker 59 But Corey says the story is his, and he's very protective of his intellectual property, especially the secret space program.

Speaker 204 He even tried to trademark that.

Speaker 158 Why couldn't someone else talk about their experience in the secret space program?

Speaker 379 As long as they don't talk about the stuff that I created based on my

Speaker 379 real IP here,

Speaker 379 I ended it says, I created a lot of the stuff. I created

Speaker 13 Dark Fleet.

Speaker 379 Darkfleet didn't exist before I talked about it.

Speaker 68 And look, if you invented the story, by all means, trademark it.

Speaker 379 People will come in and they will say, oh, okay, I was in the secret space program too,

Speaker 379 and all of these things that Corey has talked about, I was a part of that too. Well, guess what?

Speaker 379 The stuff that I've talked about, some of it created out of my mind.

Speaker 55 But Bill Cooper was on CNN in 1992, and he was talking about a secret space program.

Speaker 190 Pluto was the

Speaker 190 application of that technology to our own secret space program, not the public space program. There are two different space programs.
One is what the public gets to see,

Speaker 190 which is overseen by NASA. And the other one is a secret space program that nobody gets to see, which is really overseen by

Speaker 190 the Navy Department

Speaker 190 under specialized

Speaker 190 compartmentalized black projects.

Speaker 113 So lots of aspects of the story have been around for a long time.

Speaker 184 Here's how it seems to work.

Speaker 132 Every time someone new joins the 20 in Back bandwagon, they bring their own favorite sci-fi storyline.

Speaker 192 Then each person's story evolves, feeding off the other.

Speaker 152 But who knows, maybe Corey Good is telling the truth.

Speaker 204 You can watch his deposition online and decide for yourself.

Speaker 69 True or not, it's a great story, TM.

Speaker 68 But aside from this one area, most of what we talked about within the Kuiper Belt is real, kinda.

Speaker 204 Now, the object Araun is weird, and I'll be grateful to never say that word again after today.

Speaker 221 Now, there are plenty of videos describing the comet and its behavior, but nobody has yet to explain it.

Speaker 349 And even though NASA did lose contact with New Horizons at one point in time, there's no official record of New Horizons breaking down while flying by Araune in 2016.

Speaker 196 NASA says the New Horizons mission was an overall success, so it's unclear where the story about the total control blackout came from.

Speaker 40 There was a brief loss of communication on July 4th, 2015, 10 days before New Horizons was due to fly by Pluto, but they were down for an hour. All the other details came from a YouTube video.

Speaker 21 Never trust what you hear in a YouTube video.

Speaker 196 Oh, that's for sure.

Speaker 164 Now, Planet X probably is real, though NASA prefers to call it Planet 9.

Speaker 21 I prefer to call it Nipiru.

Speaker 73 In 2017, researchers agreed that data and computer models prove, with almost 100% certainty, a large, secret dark planet is lurking in the distant solar system.

Speaker 377 Although we were initially quite skeptical that this planet could exist, we've become increasingly convinced that it is out there.

Speaker 377 For the first time in over 150 years, there is solid evidence that the solar system's planetary census is incomplete.

Speaker 58 Drock is also real.

Speaker 59 I don't know if it has anything to do with the draconian species who allegedly control the solar system, but Drock does fly in retrograde.

Speaker 204 It's thought humans will one day turn the Kuiper Belt into a gas station, a stopping off point on our way to deep space.

Speaker 92 But for now, the Kuiper Belt is one giant mystery.

Speaker 15 Now, my gut tells me there is something important going on up there, something which influences life here on Earth.

Speaker 140 But there's no way to know for sure until we send spacecraft to the Kuiper Belt to see for ourselves.

Speaker 341 And maybe one day we'll do that.

Speaker 348 That is, if the Draco say it's okay.

Speaker 15 I think there's still more to do on that story.

Speaker 15 Hello?

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 273 They did what?

Speaker 16 No,

Speaker 264 no, it's fine. Just make sure it doesn't happen again.

Speaker 20 Yeah, goodbye.

Speaker 21 We're completely unplugged.

Speaker 28 But you're still using your iPad?

Speaker 21 Uh, well, I haven't finished watching all of Murderbot yet.

Speaker 23 I don't know what that means.

Speaker 316 Uh, listen, all this wasn't the machines.

Speaker 379 The neighbor just called.

Speaker 97 The kids were pranking you with some hacking app.

Speaker 21 Oh, spoiled, little eh. What is it with millennial parents anyway?

Speaker 21 When a real robot apocalypse comes, you'll thank me for establishing these escape protocols.

Speaker 28 So, can you come to work now?

Speaker 20 I can't.

Speaker 21 I got no way to get back to work. We dumped the bug out vehicle at a flying J.

Speaker 246 You still have your iPad, Colin Uber.

Speaker 24 Wait, is my truck at a flying J?

Speaker 21 What's that? I'm not getting a good signal out of here. You'll have to finish this one without me.
Stay gold, ponyhuman.

Speaker 26 Okay, last episode.

Speaker 28 It's a stripped one, and special thanks to Mike Barra for doing the research on this.

Speaker 26 It's about the secret history of the solar system.

Speaker 243 Millions of years ago, a massive planet called Maldec was part of our solar system.

Speaker 273 Maldak had an enormous moon that could support life. It was warm, it had oceans and an atmosphere.

Speaker 322 And on that moon, a civilization of giants built pyramids, monuments, and great cities.

Speaker 137 They created intelligent machines to mine Maldec for resources.

Speaker 231 But the machines evolved, turned on their masters, and claimed Maldek for themselves.

Speaker 273 A devastating war lasted generations.

Speaker 223 Finally, the giants built a weapon powerful enough to destroy all the machines.

Speaker 10 The weapon worked, what worked too well.

Speaker 273 The explosion destroyed Maldek.

Speaker 293 With their planet shattered into a billion pieces, the giants' moon was adrift.

Speaker 327 Soon the atmosphere vanished, the oceans froze, and the surface turned to dust. Their civilization collapsed.

Speaker 254 We don't know what the giants called their moon, but we have a name for it.

Speaker 13 We call it Mars.

Speaker 253 In 2022, actor Terrence Howard appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience and said something that made mainstream scientists very uncomfortable.

Speaker 263 He claimed NASA's explanation for how planets form was completely wrong.

Speaker 282 Neil deCrasse Tyson and other experts immediately pushed back.

Speaker 327 They dismissed Howard as just another celebrity with fringe theories.

Speaker 13 But here's the thing.

Speaker 250 Some respected scientists have been saying the same things as Howard for over 100 years.

Speaker 137 To explain how planets form, NASA teaches the accretion model.

Speaker 46 After a star forms, leftover dust and gas start clumping together.

Speaker 243 These clumps, called planetesimals, gradually collect more and more material, like snowballs rolling down a hill. Eventually, they become planets.

Speaker 280 Sounds reasonable.

Speaker 13 That's what we were taught in school.

Speaker 26 But there are serious problems.

Speaker 328 The early solar system was violent chaos.

Speaker 28 Objects moved at two miles per second.

Speaker 250 That's almost 45,000 miles per hour.

Speaker 327 At those speeds, collisions don't create bigger rocks.

Speaker 250 They're smashed into dust.

Speaker 252 Yet NASA says these particles kept sticking together somehow.

Speaker 327 Then there's the plane of the ecliptic.

Speaker 13 The Sun's gravity pulls equally in all directions, right? But all the planets orbit in a single flat disk, like marbles rolling around a dish.

Speaker 381 Random debris naturally forming a flat plane sounds too perfect.

Speaker 320 The frost line is another problem.

Speaker 250 That's the distance from the the sun where it's cold enough for gases to freeze solid. NASA says gas giants only form beyond this line, while rocky planets form inside it, nice and neat.

Speaker 382 But astronomers keep finding what they call hot Jupiters.

Speaker 26 These are massive gas giants orbiting closer to their stars than Mercury orbits our Sun.

Speaker 320 According to NASA's model, they shouldn't exist.

Speaker 26 Yet we've documented over 400 of them.

Speaker 210 Dr. Tom Van Flandern spent 20 years at the U.S.

Speaker 13 Naval Observatory calculating planetary orbits.

Speaker 59 He saw these contradictions firsthand.

Speaker 252 The accretion model couldn't explain what he was seeing in the data.

Speaker 91 So, Van Flandern proposed something radical: the planets didn't form from dust, they didn't form from orbiting the sun, they formed inside it.

Speaker 13 And when the sun thought they were ready, those planets were born.

Speaker 381 Dr.

Speaker 328 Tom Van Flandern wasn't some internet conspiracy theorist making YouTube videos in his basement or his studio in Las Vegas.

Speaker 91 He had a PhD from Yale and spent over 20 years at the U.S.

Speaker 26 Naval Observatory.

Speaker 91 His job was calculating exactly where planets would be at any given moment, down to fractions of a second.

Speaker 204 The military needed this level of accuracy for navigation, satellite positioning, and who knows how many classified operations.

Speaker 243 Van Flandern was their guy, an expert on celestial mechanics.

Speaker 192 But the more he studied planetary motion, the more the official story bothered him.

Speaker 28 The accretion model has too many holes.

Speaker 264 Random collisions creating perfect orbital planes.

Speaker 282 Planets have most of the solar system's spin, while the sun has most of the mass.

Speaker 252 Hot Jupiters exist where they shouldn't.

Speaker 20 The math didn't add up.

Speaker 243 So Ven Flandern looked at an older idea that NASA had abandoned, solar fission.

Speaker 37 The theory goes like this.

Speaker 204 Four and a half billion years ago, the Sun was not calm.

Speaker 257 It was spinning fast, too fast.

Speaker 282 When a star spins too fast, it builds up something called angular momentum, the cosmic version of rotational energy.

Speaker 327 You can think of it like spin, but with that mass factored in.

Speaker 186 And the sun had too much spin and too much mass.

Speaker 26 To survive, it had to shed some of that.

Speaker 277 But not gradually, violently.

Speaker 272 The sun shed superheated plasma into space.

Speaker 274 And these were huge globs of plasma, millions of miles wide, spinning away from their parent star.

Speaker 51 As these plasma balls cooled, they condensed into planets.

Speaker 327 This explained everything the accretion model couldn't.

Speaker 46 Why planets orbit in a flat plane?

Speaker 327 They all came from the sun's equator.

Speaker 263 Why they have angular momentum.

Speaker 252 They took it with them when they spun out of the star.

Speaker 26 Why hot Jupiters exist.

Speaker 263 Some planets just didn't travel as far from home.

Speaker 24 Then Flander noticed something else.

Speaker 261 Planets seem to be born in pairs.

Speaker 327 Earth and Venus are nearly identical in size.

Speaker 20 Jupiter and Saturn are both gas giants.

Speaker 285 Even their positions follow a pattern.

Speaker 94 Their orbits have specific ratios to each other.

Speaker 20 The math works.

Speaker 27 But some planets in our solar system don't have partners.

Speaker 13 Mercury's orbit is all wrong.

Speaker 243 Pluto acts more like a captured moon than a planet or planetoid.

Speaker 34 And then there's Mars.

Speaker 137 Mars was the real problem.

Speaker 105 Too small.

Speaker 20 Wrong orbit. Wrong density.

Speaker 91 It didn't match any pattern Van Flandern could find.

Speaker 320 That's when Van Flandern made a bold conclusion.

Speaker 327 Mars wasn't a planet that failed to follow the rules.

Speaker 13 It was a moon.

Speaker 26 A moon from a planet that was destroyed millions of years ago, Maldek.

Speaker 252 Most of the planet was vaporized, but not all of it.

Speaker 327 Many pieces of debris still remain remain in the same orbit where Maldec once was.

Speaker 328 We call this debris field the asteroid belt.

Speaker 91 In 1766, a German mathematician named Johann Titius was playing with numbers when he noticed something strange about our solar system.

Speaker 327 The planets weren't randomly scattered, they followed a mathematical pattern.

Speaker 13 Here's how it worked.

Speaker 320 Start at 0.4 astronomical units from the Sun.

Speaker 91 One astronomical astronomical unit is the distance from the Sun to the Earth.

Speaker 327 So you take that 0.4, then double the distance for each new planet.

Speaker 360 That sequence perfectly predicts the orbits of Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.

Speaker 335 When another German astronomer, Johann Bode, published this formula in 1772, Bode's law predicted the orbits of all six known planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.

Speaker 20 All there, right where the math said they would be.

Speaker 94 But the formula predicted something else.

Speaker 327 Between Mars and Jupiter, at exactly 2.8 astronomical units from the Sun, there should be another planet, a big one.

Speaker 282 Astronomers started searching.

Speaker 16 In 1781, they found Uranus, exactly where Bode's law said it was, even though the formula was created before anyone knew Uranus existed.

Speaker 252 That's when people really started paying attention.

Speaker 91 So where was this missing planet between Mars and Jupiter?

Speaker 322 Well, on New Year's Day, 1801, Italian astronomer Giuseppe Piazzi found something.

Speaker 46 A small object orbiting at 2.77 astronomical units, almost exactly where Bode's law said the missing planet should be.

Speaker 328 He named it Ceres. But Ceres was tiny, less than 600 miles across.

Speaker 281 That's a little smaller than Texas.

Speaker 15 Then astronomers found Pallas, then Vesta, then Juno, and more and more and more.

Speaker 327 By 1850, they'd found 13 objects in the same region.

Speaker 20 Today, we know of millions of rocks in orbit in that zone, and we call it the asteroid belt.

Speaker 257 Now, some scientists said these were just leftover building materials, debris that never formed a planet.

Speaker 20 But a German astronomer named Wilhelm Olbers had a different idea.

Speaker 46 What if a planet did form there?

Speaker 186 And what if something destroyed it?

Speaker 231 He even gave the hypothetical planet a name, Phaeton, after the Greek god who lost control of the sun's chariot and nearly destroyed Earth.

Speaker 320 When critics pointed out the asteroid belt didn't have enough mass for a whole planet, Olbers had an answer.

Speaker 27 If a planet exploded in the vacuum of space, most of it wouldn't stick around.

Speaker 328 The debris would reach escape velocity.

Speaker 252 Some would fall into the sun, some would fly off into deep space, some would vaporize.

Speaker 231 What we see today, maybe 5% of the original mass, is exactly what you'd expect to find from a massive planet that was destroyed.

Speaker 327 Then Neptune was discovered in 1846.

Speaker 320 That didn't fit Bode's law at all.

Speaker 327 Critics said the whole Bode's Law thing was a coincidence.

Speaker 381 But Ben Flandern saw it differently.

Speaker 13 Neptune's orbit wasn't wrong. It had been altered.

Speaker 252 Uranus was spinning on its side.

Speaker 16 Pluto's orbit is tilted and erratic.

Speaker 382 These anomalies weren't random.

Speaker 327 They were scars, remnants of an ancient catastrophe in the solar system.

Speaker 91 There's only one event powerful enough to do this, the violent, instantaneous destruction of an entire planet.

Speaker 254 The math, the patterns, the debris, it explained everything.

Speaker 20 Bode's law wasn't wrong at all.

Speaker 223 Van Flander believed a massive planet was there and now it's gone.

Speaker 254 And he could prove it.

Speaker 328 Tom Van Flander needed proof that planets had exploded in our solar system.

Speaker 91 He found it in the strangest place, during Soviet military tests.

Speaker 252 During the 1980s, the Soviets were testing anti-satellite weapons in orbit.

Speaker 258 The Americans were watching, obviously.

Speaker 91 And they noticed something strange.

Speaker 287 When a satellite exploded, the debris didn't just scatter randomly.

Speaker 140 The smaller pieces started orbiting the bigger pieces, like tiny moons around planets.

Speaker 277 Van Flandern saw this and thought, well, if that happens with satellites, what happens when an entire planet explodes?

Speaker 58 Same thing, just bigger, way bigger.

Speaker 267 Mountain-sized chunks would fly off with clouds of smaller debris orbiting around them.

Speaker 218 From Earth, these would look exactly like comets.

Speaker 282 The big chunk is the nucleus.

Speaker 328 The orbiting debris creates the tail.

Speaker 104 But here's the thing.

Speaker 243 If comets really came from an exploded planet, Some of them should have actual moons, little rocks orbiting the main comet.

Speaker 273 Not just a dust cloud, but real solid objects.

Speaker 253 When Van Flanderd suggested this, other scientists laughed.

Speaker 264 One even made a public bet.

Speaker 153 No comet would ever be found with a companion.

Speaker 246 Not ever.

Speaker 252 Comets were dirty snowballs from the edge of the solar system, not planetary fragments.

Speaker 26 Then Halebop showed up.

Speaker 143 In 1995, this comet became one of the brightest objects in the night sky.

Speaker 273 Everyone was watching.

Speaker 223 In November 1996, amateur astronomer Chuck Schramick took a photo and saw something unexpected.

Speaker 26 Well, unexpected to everyone except Tom Ben Flandern.

Speaker 243 There was a bright object near the comet.

Speaker 246 Looked like Halebop had a companion.

Speaker 91 Now, Schreemeck made a mistake.

Speaker 198 He went on Art Bell's radio show and called it a Saturn-like UFO, and the internet went crazy.

Speaker 91 Doomsday predictions, government cover-ups, you name it.

Speaker 254 You remember it.

Speaker 322 Professional astronomers checked Sramik's photo.

Speaker 328 The UFO was just a background star.

Speaker 27 Case closed.

Speaker 261 Traymek was wrong.

Speaker 20 Or was he?

Speaker 27 Because here's what got buried in all the UFO nonsense.

Speaker 335 Hailbop was really weird.

Speaker 20 It had multiple nuclei.

Speaker 26 It had two tails, including one made of sodium.

Speaker 20 If Halebop was a fragment of a water-rich planet, sodium would have been left behind in salt deposits.

Speaker 27 And it wasn't just Halebop.

Speaker 15 The Galileo probe found a moon orbiting the asteroid Ida.

Speaker 210 The near-Schumacher mission found unusual gravity around the asteroid Eros.

Speaker 327 Something massive was happening and hidden inside.

Speaker 320 When Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 hit Jupiter in 1994, it wasn't one object.

Speaker 91 It was 21 pieces traveling together like a broken necklace.

Speaker 381 Van Flandern was right.

Speaker 91 These weren't random space rocks. They were evidence of something bigger.

Speaker 26 Evidence that pointed to an object still scarred by a shattered solar system.

Speaker 29 The evidence was pointing to Mars

Speaker 320 When Tom Van Flander met Richard Hoagland, they realized their theories supported each other perfectly.

Speaker 243 Van Flander had an exploded planet.

Speaker 26 Hoagland had a dead civilization on Mars.

Speaker 15 Put them together and you get a complete picture.

Speaker 243 Both men noticed the planet Mars didn't behave like a planet at all.

Speaker 13 Its orbit is more oval than circular.

Speaker 255 Its mass is too small for its distance from the sun.

Speaker 91 It's only about 11% the mass of Earth.

Speaker 327 Actually, the whole planet is more of a mystery than you think.

Speaker 27 Look at Mars from space and you'll see two completely different worlds.

Speaker 282 Literally, this is called the Martian dichotomy.

Speaker 252 The northern hemisphere is smooth, flat plains covered in what looked like dry ocean beds.

Speaker 137 It's almost peaceful.

Speaker 150 But the southern hemisphere, that's a disaster.

Speaker 263 Craters everywhere, mountains, rough terrain.

Speaker 353 And for some reason, the southern crust is 20 miles thicker than the north.

Speaker 13 20 miles?

Speaker 15 That's not natural erosion.

Speaker 91 That's like someone pasted an entire layer of debris onto half the planet.

Speaker 328 And not just that, the southern hemisphere is older than the north.

Speaker 150 Much older.

Speaker 266 2 billion years older.

Speaker 280 than there are the volcanoes.

Speaker 252 Olympus Mons is the biggest volcano in the solar system, three times taller than Everest.

Speaker 285 It sits on something called the Tharsis bulge, a massive uplift in the Martian crust.

Speaker 137 And directly opposite on the other side of Mars, another rise, another bulge, the Arabia Terror Rise.

Speaker 252 Two bulges 180 degrees apart.

Speaker 381 That doesn't seem random.

Speaker 274 That's what happens when a moon is locked to its parent planet.

Speaker 383 The gravitational pull creates these tidal bulges, just like how our moon creates ocean tides on Earth, but permanent and made of rock.

Speaker 26 We see this tidal effect on Europa and Io, two of Jupiter's moons, on Titan and Enceladus, two of Saturn's moons, Triton from Neptune and Miranda from Uranus, the same bulges, the same tidal forces.

Speaker 320 If Mars was Maldek's moon, it would have been tidally locked.

Speaker 252 The same side always faces its planet, just like our moon.

Speaker 209 And Maldek's gravity would have done something else.

Speaker 59 It would have pulled Martian's oceans into a specific pattern.

Speaker 20 Richard Hoagland traced where those ancient oceans would have flowed.

Speaker 91 For millions of years, water would have moved in a clockwise pattern around Mars, two massive ocean systems meeting at the equator, grinding against each other, carving deeper and deeper.

Speaker 333 Today we call that carving Valles Marineris.

Speaker 353 It's a canyon system 2,500 miles long and up to 4 miles deep.

Speaker 327 The Grand Canyon is nothing compared to this. The Grand Canyon would be nothing more than a baby canyon that would fit inside one of the small channels of Valles Marineris.

Speaker 282 NASA can't explain how it formed.

Speaker 384 But if Mars had twin oceans held in place by Muldex gravity, meeting and grinding at that exact spot for millions of years, well, the canyon now makes perfect sense.

Speaker 327 When this theory was first proposed, mainstream science said, well, if there is water on Mars, it wasn't very much.

Speaker 346 It turns out they were wrong.

Speaker 26 Mars was covered with vast oceans.

Speaker 231 Links below to all kinds of Mars stories that prove this.

Speaker 91 Van Flandren's exploding planet theory explained a lot of mysteries about the solar system.

Speaker 327 Hoagland's ancient Mars civilization explained the monuments.

Speaker 15 Together they painted a picture of a living moon orbiting a living planet.

Speaker 27 Then one day, it all ended violently.

Speaker 327 The face on Mars sits in a region called Sidonia.

Speaker 40 Hoagland thinks it was built as a monument, or maybe a warning.

Speaker 135 warning, a message carved in stone by a handful of survivors before their world died.

Speaker 327 Now, John Brandenburg thinks he knows what these Martians survived, and he thinks he can prove it.

Speaker 231 These Martians survived a nuclear war.

Speaker 24 Dr.

Speaker 381 John Brandenburg wasn't looking for evidence of nuclear war on Mars.

Speaker 250 The entire concept sounded like nonsense.

Speaker 91 He was a plasma physicist working on defense projects.

Speaker 13 His job was understanding nuclear weapons, how they work, and what they leave behind.

Speaker 333 But when he studied Mars data from NASA missions, he found something disturbing.

Speaker 91 The Martian surface had unusual concentrations of xenon-129.

Speaker 327 Now here on Earth, that isotope comes from exactly one source, nuclear fission.

Speaker 325 not volcanic activity, not cosmic radiation, nuclear explosions.

Speaker 252 The concentrations were highest in two locations, Cydonia, where the face on Mars sits, and in a region called Galaxius Chaos.

Speaker 91 The xenon levels were two and a half times higher than anywhere else in the solar system.

Speaker 320 The only way to produce that much xenon-129 was through massive nuclear detonations.

Speaker 252 Hiroshima is measured in kilotons.

Speaker 59 On Mars, these weapons would have been measured in megatons.

Speaker 327 Brandenburg published his findings in 2014.

Speaker 252 The scientific community's response was exactly what you'd expect.

Speaker 327 They ignored him, called him crazy, said he was seeing patterns that weren't there.

Speaker 91 But Brandenburg wasn't the first person to theorize Mars died in a nuclear war.

Speaker 253 Years earlier, the theory appeared in the most unlikely of places, a comic book.

Speaker 272 In 1958, comic book legend Jack Kirby created a story called The Face on Mars.

Speaker 250 This was 18 years before NASA's Viking probe photographed the actual face.

Speaker 320 In Kirby's story, astronauts land on Mars and discover a giant stone face.

Speaker 267 One of them climbs in it, falls through the eye, and has a vision.

Speaker 328 He sees Mars when it was alive, a race of peaceful giants who built great cities.

Speaker 272 These giants created intelligent machines to help them work. But the machines evolved.

Speaker 273 Artificial intelligence.

Speaker 58 They became self-aware.

Speaker 254 They demanded equality.

Speaker 46 When the giants refused, war broke out.

Speaker 273 The war lasted generations.

Speaker 203 Finally, the giants built a doomsday weapon and aimed it at the machine's homeworld, a planet that orbited between Mars and Jupiter.

Speaker 137 The weapon worked.

Speaker 250 The planet exploded.

Speaker 259 But the blast also stripped away Mars' atmosphere and killed almost everyone. The surviving giants carved the face as a warning.

Speaker 167 Then they went underground to die.

Speaker 47 Now here's what's strange.

Speaker 250 Kirby was friends with rocket scientists.

Speaker 91 Werner von Braun's team consulted on his stories. Willie Lay, who worked on the V2 rocket, wrote articles for the same magazines.

Speaker 328 These weren't just comic book guys swapping stories.

Speaker 27 These were people with security clearances having conversations we'll never know about.

Speaker 231 And remember during Project Stargate, Joe McMonagall remote viewed something unusual.

Speaker 327 Joe was given coordinates and nothing else.

Speaker 282 And what Joe saw at those coordinates were humanoid beings, but very tall.

Speaker 223 Giants.

Speaker 272 He saw huge cities, civilization, but their civilization was dying and they knew it.

Speaker 327 Then Joe comes out of his remote viewing trance.

Speaker 320 Remember, he was just given coordinates in an envelope.

Speaker 327 Then he was handed the envelope which held the full information about what and where he saw.

Speaker 261 The coordinates were from Mars, 1 million BC.

Speaker 91 Now Joe never heard any of these theories about Mars.

Speaker 235 Remember he was a war hero.

Speaker 20 He was pretty straight arrow. He didn't read comic books, but for some reason, Joseph McMonagall remote viewed everything that we're talking about today.

Speaker 328 So was Kirby's story pure fiction?

Speaker 150 Or did he hear something?

Speaker 331 Because his 1958 comic described nuclear war on Mars, an exploded planet creating the asteroid belt, and survivors building monuments.

Speaker 91 All the same elements then Flandern, Hoagland, and Brandenburg would propose decades later.

Speaker 231 But there's a dark twist to Brandenburg's theory.

Speaker 384 He believes the nuclear explosions didn't come from the Martians.

Speaker 252 He believed it was an attack from somewhere else.

Speaker 328 Someone or something wanted Mars dead, and whatever it was, they succeeded.

Speaker 26 And Mars was only the beginning.

Speaker 266 The face on Mars, the exploded planet theory, nuclear war, it all fits together perfectly.

Speaker 281 Too perfectly.

Speaker 20 And that's the problem.

Speaker 320 Let's start with Van Flandern's solar fission theory.

Speaker 320 It explains things the accretion model can't, why planets orbit in a flat plane, why they have most of the angular momentum while the Sun has most of the mass, why Bode's law works.

Speaker 252 But if stars spit out planets on a regular basis, we should see it happening.

Speaker 322 Astronomers have cataloged thousands of star systems.

Speaker 91 Not one has ever been caught in the act of solar fission.

Speaker 320 Van Flandern had an answer.

Speaker 327 Maybe it only happens when stars are very young.

Speaker 16 Maybe we're looking at the wrong time.

Speaker 335 Well, that's fair enough, but it's still a theory without direct observation.

Speaker 27 The exploded planet hypothesis has bigger problems.

Speaker 250 Critics love pointing out that the entire asteroid belt has less mass than our moon.

Speaker 266 How could that be the remains of a whole planet?

Speaker 320 Well remember from earlier Van Flander did the math.

Speaker 328 What you'd expect to see in that asteroid belt is about 5% of what was there, and that is the percent that we see.

Speaker 261 The math works.

Speaker 327 But we've never seen a planet explode.

Speaker 274 And we don't even know how a planet could explode with nuclear weapons.

Speaker 381 Now, natural uranium reactors exist on Earth, but they can't blow up a planet.

Speaker 320 Neither can volcanic activity or tectonic shifts.

Speaker 280 Unless it wasn't natural.

Speaker 320 And now we're back to Brandenburg's nuclear war theory.

Speaker 327 The xenon-129 on Mars is real.

Speaker 137 The concentrations are documented.

Speaker 333 But xenon-129 can also form from cosmic ray bombardment over billions of years.

Speaker 320 Mars has a weak magnetic field, no protection from radiation, so maybe that's all we're seeing.

Speaker 91 Now Brandenburg says no, the distribution is wrong for cosmic rays, too concentrated in specific areas.

Speaker 29 But his critics aren't convinced.

Speaker 381 Then there's Richard Hoagland's face on Mars.

Speaker 91 NASA says it's pareidolia, seeing patterns that aren't there, like seeing shapes and clouds.

Speaker 327 When they photographed it again with better cameras, the face looked less fake-like and more like a natural mesa.

Speaker 328 I find that suspicious, but that's the official story.

Speaker 272 But Hoagland predicted other things.

Speaker 252 He said if Mars was once a moon, we'd find salt deposits in Ballos Marineris, where the ancient oceans met.

Speaker 243 NASA found them.

Speaker 228 He predicted the northern plains would show signs of ancient water.

Speaker 13 They do.

Speaker 26 He predicted tidal stress features.

Speaker 150 Mars has them.

Speaker 382 Coincidence?

Speaker 13 Maybe.

Speaker 91 Or maybe Hoagland was right about some things and wrong about others.

Speaker 34 And that seems to make more sense.

Speaker 255 But here's what we know for sure.

Speaker 20 Mars is weird.

Speaker 327 It's two very different planets smashed together.

Speaker 252 Venus spins backwards.

Speaker 91 Uranus is tipped on its side.

Speaker 20 Neptune's orbit doesn't match predictions.

Speaker 26 The asteroid belt exists exactly where a planet should be.

Speaker 91 Something happened in our solar system.

Speaker 16 Something violent.

Speaker 137 The evidence is literally written in the stars.

Speaker 252 The question isn't whether our solar system was damaged.

Speaker 261 We know it was, but we don't know how or why.

Speaker 382 And the question we really want to know, could it happen again?

Speaker 320 Tom Van Flander died in January 2009, alone.

Speaker 327 His exploded planet theory was dismissed by mainstream science.

Speaker 280 They called him a crank.

Speaker 261 A brilliant crank, but still a crank.

Speaker 327 He never lived to see water confirmed on Mars.

Speaker 192 He never saw the moon-like tidal features verified.

Speaker 327 He never knew that everything he predicted about the asteroid belt would check out. He died thinking he'd failed.
But Van Flandren saw something the rest of us missed, a pattern hidden in plain sight.

Speaker 27 Our solar system is broken.

Speaker 254 Not metaphorically, literally broken.

Speaker 261 Like I mentioned earlier, Venus spins the wrong way, clockwise instead of counterclockwise, like every other planet.

Speaker 381 Something hit it so hard, it flipped over.

Speaker 261 Now Uranus lies on its side, rolling around the sun like a a ball instead of spinning like a top.

Speaker 13 Its moons orbit vertically.

Speaker 353 That's not natural.

Speaker 327 Neptune's orbit makes no sense.

Speaker 319 It's too elliptical, too far out, like something shoved it there.

Speaker 327 Pluto isn't even a planet.

Speaker 150 It's a refugee.

Speaker 231 A moon that lost its home and got trapped in this weird orbit.

Speaker 150 And then there's Mars, half smooth, half destroyed.

Speaker 261 Oceans gone.

Speaker 266 Atmosphere stripped.

Speaker 327 Nuclear isotopes in the soil.

Speaker 320 A planet that looks like it survived something it shouldn't have.

Speaker 26 Van Flandern traced it all back to two events.

Speaker 231 Two planets destroyed.

Speaker 327 Padeon between Mars and Jupiter went first.

Speaker 252 The explosion created the asteroid belt and sent shock waves through the solar system.

Speaker 259 But that was just the warm-up.

Speaker 327 The big one was Maldek. When it exploded, its moon, Mars, was flung into a new orbit.

Speaker 235 The blast wave hit Venus, flipping it backward.

Speaker 327 The debris cloud reached the outer planets, disrupting their orbits. Earth caught some fragments too.

Speaker 334 We call them impact craters.

Speaker 254 But we were lucky we were far enough away.

Speaker 235 This time.

Speaker 327 Because here's what Van Flandern understood.

Speaker 328 If it happened twice, it could happen again.

Speaker 13 Whatever destroyed those planets, natural catastrophe, nuclear war, or something else, the mechanism still exists.

Speaker 327 We like to think Earth is special and protected.

Speaker 16 the Goldilocks planet where everything is just right. But we're not special.

Speaker 261 We're just next in line.

Speaker 327 Three planets in the habitable zone.

Speaker 235 Venus, Earth, Mars.

Speaker 274 One is dead.

Speaker 327 One is dying. The other pretends everything is fine.

Speaker 252 We search for aliens because we don't want to be alone.

Speaker 384 But maybe we're not looking in the right place.

Speaker 327 Maybe the aliens were here all along.

Speaker 293 They lived on Mars, built monuments, created civilizations, and then they were gone.

Speaker 252 The face on Mars might be their last message, a warning carved in stone.

Speaker 254 But we can't read it.

Speaker 189 Or won't.

Speaker 28 Van Flandern spent his life trying to tell us the solar system's real history.

Speaker 282 A history of violence and destruction.

Speaker 243 Planets don't last forever.

Speaker 16 Nothing does.

Speaker 252 Earth sits between two dead worlds.

Speaker 328 We study their corpses and pretend we're different.

Speaker 243 But the math doesn't lie.

Speaker 266 The pattern is clear.

Speaker 231 Venus fell, Mars fell.

Speaker 328 Now, NASA knows this story.

Speaker 277 They have the data.

Speaker 327 Every mission to Mars confirms it, but they keep quiet. They show us photoshopped pictures of red sunsets and ancient riverbeds.
I have episodes on how they fake them.

Speaker 328 They don't show us the scars of war, the evidence of violence, the warnings carved in the landscape.

Speaker 266 They treat us like frightened children.

Speaker 384 They don't think we can handle the harsh reality that all things must end, including our planet.

Speaker 327 They think admitting this would cause worldwide chaos.

Speaker 382 And you know what?

Speaker 206 They're probably right.

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Speaker 271 I played Polymbius and Area 51.

Speaker 385 A secret code inside the Bible said I would.

Speaker 385 I love my UFOs and paranormal fun, as well as music, song singing like I should.

Speaker 279 But then another conspiracy theory becomes the truth, my friends

Speaker 271 And it never ends

Speaker 385 No, it never ends

Speaker 16 I feel the crap guy down got stuck inside Mel's home with them chaot drugs I've been only too aware

Speaker 16 Did Stanley Kubrick fake the moon landing alone

Speaker 13 on a film set or with a shadow people

Speaker 13 there?

Speaker 13 The Roswell alias just fought the smiling man, I'm told.

Speaker 271 And his name was Cole.

Speaker 271 And I can't believe I'm dancing with the bitches.

Speaker 271 Had no fish on Thursday nights with their changing and rampant

Speaker 271 all through the night.

Speaker 271 All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So the wild walls of the feet all through the light.

Speaker 271 The Mopman sidings and the solar storm still come.

Speaker 385 But you have got the secret city underground.

Speaker 271 Mysterious number stations, planet search for two, project stargate, and what the Dark Watchers found.

Speaker 279 In a simulation, don't you worry though.

Speaker 279 The Black Knight satellite told me so

Speaker 279 I can't believe

Speaker 279 I'm dancing with the field shit. Across on Thursday, nights, Wednesday, J2,

Speaker 279 all through the night.

Speaker 279 All ever what it was, you just hear the truth. So whap on the feet all through the night

Speaker 279 Henry Fish on Thursday night, swift day, change you and went on slap and beat all through the night.

Speaker 279 All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So I fall, club repeat all through the

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Speaker 352 Kevin and Rachel and King of M's and an eight-hour road trip. And Rachel's new favorite audiobook, The Cerulean Empress, Scoundrel's Inferno.

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Speaker 256 And his pecs glistened in the moonlight.

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