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Five people sit at a table in a dark basement, hands linked, total silence.

They wait.

Then, lights.

Small at first, growing brighter, moving with purpose.

Objects appear from nowhere, solid, real.

Then came the voices.

The skull experiments ran for five years, 500 seances.

The group made bold claims, contact with the dead, beings from other dimensions, from beyond time.

Scientists and professional skeptics were invited to watch.

They saw the objects and the lights.

They heard the voices.

The beings had a warning.

But the warning wasn't for the scientists.

The warning was for us.

In 1993, a small English village called Skull became ground zero for contact with the dead.

Robin and Sandra Foy weren't new to the paranormal.

They spent years investigating spirit communication.

So did Alan and Diana Bennett.

Together, they formed the Skull Experimental Group.

Their lab was a simple cellar under a 17th-century farmhouse called Street Farmhouse.

Stone walls, low ceiling, no windows, no light pollution, no outside interference.

They always worked in total darkness, not for show, for science.

They believed spirits would only appear in a perfect isolation chamber.

The group didn't use the usual tools to speak to the dead.

No Ouija boards, no tarot cards, no gimmicks, no props, just a wooden table and an empty room.

Everyone wore glowing wristbands so you can always see where their hands were.

No room for tricks.

In the early sessions, they sat for hours in the dark, waiting, talking, sometimes singing, trying to raise the vibrations.

Weeks went by without results.

Then something changed.

The air became charged.

Static electricity tingled their skin.

The temperature dropped suddenly, eight degrees in five seconds.

Then a voice spoke directly to them.

The voice called itself Manu.

But Manu wasn't a human spirit.

He was an entity from...

somewhere else.

Manu said he led a team of communicators, scientists, philosophers, technicians.

All had died decades or centuries ago.

They called themselves the Team of Many Minds, and they had a mission, to prove there was an afterlife.

They would provide three types of evidence, physical, photographic, and audio.

Things scientists could check, evidence experts could study.

But the team of many minds needed to build energy first, seance after seance, layer upon layer.

In early sessions, small lights appeared, tiny at first like fireflies, then brighter.

They moved with purpose.

Answered questions with flashes, spelled words with patterns.

The group saw what mediums had described for centuries, but this was different.

This was controlled.

The team of many minds gave specific instructions.

Same time, same basement, same four people.

No changes, no visitors.

Not yet.

They were building a delicate energy field.

A disruption could ruin months of work.

They needed everyone to follow the rules exactly.

Robin Foy kept detailed notes of everything.

Time, temperature, air pressure, every light, every sound, every message.

The Skull Four weren't just seeing strange things.

They were mapping them carefully.

Science needed proof.

The spirits promised proof.

And they delivered.

Session six, a light appeared above the table.

Session seven, it splits into three.

By session 12, dozens of lights dancing in the cellar, moving together, responding to thoughts, touching faces, touching hands, witnessed by all four people simultaneously.

Finally, the team of many minds started sending solid objects to our world.

Metal artifacts, ancient coins, small crystals with strange markings.

The skull group wanted more proof.

The spirits accepted the challenge by ending the session with a simple instruction.

They said, tomorrow, bring a camera.

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We all know that feeling.

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The intelligent dancing lights were just the beginning.

The spirit group called the Team of Many Minds started making small objects appear on the table.

Out of thin air.

Stones, crystals, old coins.

The group never knew what object would appear next, but each item had a purpose, a message, sometimes written right on the object.

During one session, a brass locket appeared.

Inside seemed to be empty until it was put under a microscope.

Three simple words were etched with impossible precision.

It read, Bridging two worlds.

Then came the pictures.

The team of many minds told the skull group to bring sealed packs of Polaroid film and keep them sealed.

The spirits would provide photographic evidence of the afterlife.

And here's how it worked.

In complete darkness, an empty Polaroid camera was placed on the table.

A few seconds later, the camera levitated several feet into the air.

Flashes of light would appear around the camera as it slowly floated back down.

Then someone loaded it with fresh film and took a picture.

The skull group watched the photographs develop in real time.

One showed a man nobody knew.

The photo came with a message.

Giuseppe Rolls sends his regards.

Weeks later, a researcher learned that Giuseppe Rolls was a film pioneer who worked for Polaroid.

He died in 1926, decades before this experiment.

His picture was never published.

The photo matched the only known portrait of him locked away in Polaroid's private archives.

Photographs showed people long dead as if they were in the room with the group.

Other photos showed Victorian scenes in perfect detail, ancient writing, lost civilizations.

The images didn't come from light hitting film, they came from inside the film, directly changing the chemicals.

Experts checked the photos and confirmed these are not double exposures, not camera tricks.

The images formed inside the emulsion.

Sounds got weird too.

In a silent room, the group used a simple tape recorder.

They heard voices speaking multiple languages, some modern, some ancient, some unknown on Earth.

Language experts studied the recordings.

The voices talked about everything from philosophy to quantum physics, but one message kept coming back.

We're not alone and death isn't the end.

This is an apport which arrived during the earliest days of our skull experiment.

In fact, it's a very small object and whilst we were sitting here, this object would arrive, just materialize, and arrive on the table.

As it arrived, That's the sort of noise it would make.

Objects appeared and began moving on on their own.

Instruments floated in the air, playing music.

Heavy tables lifted off the ground.

The group put glowing panels around the room to track the movements better.

Everything was logged, every detail.

One session stood out.

A piece of film was sealed inside a locked box.

An image appeared on it anyway.

A page from a newspaper that wasn't printed yet.

Three days later, the paper came out.

The page matched exactly.

The spirits weren't just talking from beyond the grave.

They were talking from beyond time.

Robin Foy and his team weren't stupid.

They knew about fake mediums, the long history of fraud.

They operated under strict rules.

They worked to eliminate any chance of cheating.

Before every session, the room and the people were searched.

Not only did the strange events continue, they got even stranger.

After two years of private sessions, the skull group was ready for outside witnesses.

They invited members of the Society for Psychical Research, Britain's oldest, most respected paranormal group.

These weren't easy believers.

The SPR is made of scientists, professors, and professional skeptics.

They came expecting to find fraud.

Instead, they found proof.

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No wreckage, no trace, nothing?

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With direct audio from the hit TV show, you'll join him on authentic roughshot adventures, from diving into the disappearance of Amelia Earhart to chasing Captain Morgan's treasure through Panama.

And the stories just keep coming.

Like uncovering our ancient origins in Africa, diving into the Bermuda Triangle's most baffling disappearances, and chasing lost treasure tied to a legendary legendary warrior queen who nearly defeated the Roman Empire.

If you're drawn to real-world mysteries, historical anomalies, and stories that blur the line between legend and fact, this show will pull you in.

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No wreckage, no trace, nothing?

Or the theory that Robin Hood might have actually been real, sneaking through underground tunnels to rob the rich?

Yeah, same here.

On Expedition Unknown, a podcast from Discovery, Josh Gates travels the globe to uncover the truth behind some of history's most bizarre and iconic legends.

With direct audio from the hit TV show, you'll join him on authentic roughshot adventures, from diving into the disappearance of Amelia Earhart to chasing Captain Morgan's treasure through Panama.

And the stories just keep coming.

Like uncovering our ancient origins in Africa, diving into the Bermuda Triangle's most baffling disappearances, and chasing lost treasure tied to a legendary warrior queen who nearly defeated the Roman Empire.

If you're drawn to real-world mysteries, historical anomalies, and stories that blur the line between legend and fact, this show will pull you in.

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word about the skull group was spreading.

Strange lights, levitating objects, photos from sealed film.

Their claims were getting attention.

But not everyone was convinced.

The Society for Psychical Research, or SPR, decided to investigate.

The SPR takes paranormal claims seriously.

They've done it since 1882.

Members include Nobel Prize winners, Cambridge professors, professional skeptics.

These are serious people.

Three of their best took the skull case.

Professor Arthur Ellison, an electrical engineer, Mont Eugene, a career skeptic and media expert, and Professor David Fontana, a psychologist who spent years detecting fraud.

The SPR didn't trust the skull group.

They brought their own gear and enforced strict rules, sealed the doors with tamper-proof tape, brought their own unopened film packs.

The SPR searched everything, the room, the furniture, the people.

The investigators confirmed the skull basement had no hidden spots, no secret doors, nowhere to hide helpers or equipment.

Once the scientists were satisfied that this was a controlled environment, it was time to begin.

40 minutes, nothing.

The investigators were not surprised.

They thought, how convenient that once there were actual scientists in the room, the so-called spirit activity stopped.

And just as the SPR was ready to claim fraud, the room got extremely cold.

The familiar lights appeared.

This time they responded not to the mediums in the skull group, the lights were reacting to the thoughts from the investigators.

SPR member Montague Keene thought, in German, make a triangle.

The lights did.

Ellison thought, make a zigzag.

The lights did.

All this happened without anyone saying a word.

The skeptics couldn't explain this.

Another session, a crystal appeared on the table.

Professor Ellison held it.

It was solid and cold to the touch.

He asked the skull group if he could take it and have it investigated.

They agreed.

But after Ellison left the basement, the crystal was gone.

But in his pocket was a small brass plate engraved with his name Arthur Ellison.

This was shocking because Professor Ellison never mentioned his first name.

The sealed film tests were also very convincing.

The scientists brought their own film.

They marked the packs with invisible UV ink.

The film didn't leave their possession.

The images still appeared.

Faces, landscapes, ancient writing, 20 sessions, stricter rules each time.

The scientists had a choice, admit something real was happening, or accuse the Skull Four of the best hoax in history.

The investigators found no fraud, no hidden projectors, no helpers, no tricks could explain objects appearing from nowhere.

Then, the team of many minds began speaking directly to the scientists.

Direct voice they called it.

Voices from nowhere filled the room.

They called the investigators by name, talked about their private research, answered hard questions about quantum physics, about human consciousness.

The voices gave real information, stuff nobody in the room knew.

Keen asked about dead relatives.

The voices gave details, names, dates, private family stuff.

All accurate.

Ellison asked complex engineering questions.

The voices answered with technical detail.

The investigators recorded everything.

Evidence was piling up.

Something was happening in that cellar, something that needed a scientific explanation, and the scientists didn't have one.

The weirdest evidence came when the recorders were allowed.

A heavy table started floating.

Ellison put his whole weight on it.

It stayed up, inches off the ground, with no visible support.

Cameras recorded this.

A voice from nowhere announced,

We exist in dimensions perpendicular to yours.

The recording got the voice.

Clear.

Audio experts checked.

It came from the middle of the room, away from everyone.

After two years of tests, the SPR investigators released a report, 300 pages, full of events that broke the rules of science, things they couldn't explain.

The spirit team promised proof of life after death, and they delivered something stranger.

Proof that our universe, our entire reality isn't what we think it is but most disturbing were the messages thousands of them all pointing to the same conclusion instructions predictions warnings and it was time for humanity to listen

Over five years, the spirits called the team of many minds sent thousands of messages, some personal, for specific people in the room, but most were for everyone, for all of us a clear story started to form our planet is on the verge of a major shift the spirits said consciousness is more than awareness it's more than neurons firing in your brain consciousness is reality itself because consciousness is reality there is no such thing as death at least not as we know it We live and we die, but consciousness continues to evolve.

This is a concept shared by many religions, that we live a short time on Earth, then we take what we learned back to this universal consciousness.

Our episode about the gateway process revealed that the United States military was studying this concept at the Monroe Institute.

The military's report was very similar to the message being sent by the team of many minds.

The spirits said our awareness has far more potential.

We see three dimensions.

They talked about at least seven.

Their primary message concerned a major change coming to the earth, a shift in frequency, a new energy level.

They called it the crossing point.

This change would alter human minds, they claimed.

New abilities would wake up.

Telepathy, remote viewing, direct access to knowledge.

The skull experiments were preparing a few people to lead the way.

The spirits gave instructions on how we can handle the change.

Meditation, ways to match the new frequency, ways to see beyond the physical world.

They stressed living in harmony with nature, no more fighting.

Their messages sounded like old spiritual ideas, but they also incorporated science, advanced mathematics, quantum physics.

They even sent plans to create devices to help communication between worlds.

One design looked like a modified crystal radio.

It used uranium, a rare metal, and a semiconductor.

The idea was to use the crystal to capture spirit voices, then feed the audio straight to a tape recorder.

No microphone needed.

Investigators looked at the plans.

The science seemed interesting, maybe even possible.

The idea of inventors trying to talk to the dead isn't new.

Both Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla worked on devices to try to communicate with the other side.

Tesla was convinced his spirit radio worked.

But the most disturbing messages were the warnings.

The spirits predicted political chaos, social collapse, climate catastrophe.

Humanity wasn't in sync with Earth's energy.

We can avoid the disaster if we change course, but time is running out.

In 1996, the spirit team mentioned something new.

Contact with non-human intelligences without physical form.

Entities who are interested in humanity's development, but exist in dimensions beyond our comprehension.

These beings were described as watchers and guardians.

Direct communication with them would be the next phase of the experiment.

But how?

The spirit team presented a mathematical formula that described interaction between dimensions.

When Fontana showed it to quantum physicists, they confirmed it represented a model for quantum entanglement that hadn't been published yet.

The formula used scientific symbols that wouldn't appear for another two years.

Either the spirits were seeing the future or they were helping create it.

The SPR scientists wrote down the messages.

They got worried.

The predictions about climate, politics, all were disturbingly accurate.

Names, dates, places, details confirmed later by news reports.

Once again, the spirits were either seeing the future or shaping it.

In late 1997, the messages got urgent the team of many minds spirit groups said the experiment was ending soon they did what they came to do built a bridge between dimensions planted ideas in human minds the next part would happen naturally without the seances they were pulling back letting things evolve their final messages focused on personal choice everyone must choose their path awareness could grow or shrink depends on what you focus on fear closes the mind love opens it.

The future wasn't fixed.

Collective thoughts shaped it.

The spirit team's last message was simple.

We are always here.

The door remains open.

You need only step through.

After the experiment ended, something strange happened.

People around the world reported similar things.

Lights in their homes, objects appearing, voices from empty rooms.

A 2006 survey conducted by Banash University revealed that about 70% of respondents believed they had experienced a paranormal event that impacted their lives, often in a positive manner.

The skull energy field had spread beyond the cellar.

The team of many minds built a network and it was getting larger.

So, the result of the skull experiments can mean one of only two things: either this was the start of a great energy shift that would change our entire existence, or

it was the greatest magic trick in history.

You ever hear about the 1950s flight that vanished into thin air over Lake Michigan?

No wreckage, no trace, nothing?

Or the theory that Robin Hood might have actually been real, sneaking through underground tunnels to rob the rich?

Yeah, same here.

On Expedition Unknown, a podcast from Discovery, Josh Gates travels the globe to uncover the truth behind some of history's most bizarre and iconic legends.

With direct audio from the hit TV show, you'll join him on authentic roughshot adventures, from diving into the disappearance of Amelia Earhart to chasing Captain Morgan's treasure through Panama.

And the stories just keep coming.

Like uncovering our ancient origins in Africa, diving into the Bermuda Triangle's most baffling disappearances, and chasing lost treasure tied to a legendary warrior queen who nearly defeated the Roman Empire.

If you're drawn to real-world mysteries, historical anomalies, and stories that blur the line between legend and fact, this show will pull you in.

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Listen to Expedition Unknown wherever you get your podcasts.

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What about that fake camera you set up?

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All that stuff?

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No wreckage, no trace, nothing?

Or the theory that Robin Hood might have actually been real, sneaking through underground tunnels to rob the rich?

Yeah, same here.

On Expedition Unknown, a podcast from Discovery, Josh Gates travels the globe to uncover the truth behind some of history's most bizarre and iconic legends.

With direct audio from the hit TV show, you'll join him on authentic roughshot adventures, from diving into the disappearance of Amelia Earhart to chasing Captain Morgan's treasure through Panama.

And the stories just keep coming.

Like uncovering our ancient origins in Africa, diving into the Bermuda Triangle's most baffling disappearances, and chasing lost treasure tied to a legendary warrior queen who nearly defeated the Roman Empire.

If you're drawn to real-world mysteries, historical anomalies, and stories that blur the line between legend and fact, this show will pull you in.

Gate Springs, the boots-on-the-ground investigation that makes these tales come alive.

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So, what really happened in that English cellar?

Was it real communication with the dead, proof of other dimensions, or just a five-year magic show?

Well, let's look at what we know.

The skull group held about 500 seances, 1993 to 1998.

That's documented.

Real scientists investigated.

The Society for Psychical Research.

They wrote a 300-page report describing things the scientists couldn't explain.

But there are serious problems, big ones.

First, the darkness.

Always in total darkness.

It blocks the main tool for observation, sight.

Yes, they had glowing wristbands, but you could see where their hands were, but not what their hands were doing.

The sealed film sounds like strong evidence, but even here there are issues.

The investigators brought their own film, true, but the skull group controlled the room.

The darkness gave them plenty of chances to switch film, to fake images.

No independent lab ever checked to see if the film was switched.

That UV writing?

Nobody checked.

The group refused video recording.

Big red flag.

They said electronics messed with spirit energy.

which is convenient.

That removed the best way to document things.

When infrared cameras were finally allowed, the strange events mostly stopped.

Later, investigators learned that Alan and Diana Bennett used to perform stage magic.

They didn't mention this during the experiments.

When asked, they admitted it, but they said their work with the spirit world was real.

Magicians can do a lot in the dark.

Magic experts say most skull events match old magic tricks used by fake mediums for centuries, just done very well, very patiently.

Professional magicians showed how it could work.

The spirit lights, small LEDs, hidden magnets, easy to move with wristbands on.

The objects appearing, sleight of hand, hidden pockets.

The photos, pre-exposed film.

The voices from small hidden speakers.

No advanced technology would be needed to pull off any of this, just darkness, planning, and patience.

Four people working together for five years could create an extremely elaborate hoax.

But why?

Well, there's money in it.

They charged fees for lectures.

They wrote books.

Remember, there's always a book.

They charged for seminars and seances.

Now, I'm not saying money was their primary motivation, but plenty of money was being made.

But the skeptic view has holes too.

If this was fraud, it needed amazing coordination for five years straight.

And strange things happened in other places, not just the skull cellar.

Dozens of witnesses saw things, including trained scientists, events that needed incredible skill to fake every single time.

Now what about the spirit messages?

Most of their predictions didn't happen.

The big consciousness shift, the planet changing?

That hasn't happened yet.

At least not like they said it would.

So was this a five-year fraud?

Not according to the investigators from the Society for Psychical Research.

Until the day he died, Montague Keene believed something real happened in that basement.

In fact, he died during a debate where he was defending the paranormal so vigorously he had a heart attack.

Professor Ellison was more measured.

He admitted he witnessed unexplained events, but he stopped short of saying there were spirits involved.

But he also said he found no evidence of fraud.

Professor Fontana was also impressed and also hesitant.

He couldn't explain what he experienced either, but he didn't think it proved life after death.

Maybe the biggest clue is what happened after skull.

If the team of many minds really built a spirit network, we should see more proof.

We should see proof everywhere.

Instead, the events stopped when the skull group broke up.

When asked what went wrong, the skull group said, and let me get this right, the interdimensional doorway they had established attracted interference from entities described as experimenters from the future.

This interference was said to violate strict laws of space and time, leading the spirit team to advise ceasing the sessions to prevent further disturbances.

That's a quote.

And that explanation sounds a little too convenient.

I think the skull experiments were four friends putting on a spooky magic show.

But I approach the story as someone who doesn't believe in ghosts.

I admit that I'm biased.

Still, I can't prove they were faking.

Nobody could, and many tried.

There may not be evidence of ghosts, but there is evidence that many people had positive experiences when they attended a skull seance.

We have video statements from witness after witness describing these amazing, life-changing events.

Some people felt reconnected to lost loved ones.

Others swear that the spirits healed their illnesses.

Was this all in their minds?

I think so.

But what does it matter what I think?

The skull group gave comfort to hundreds of people.

Is my skepticism more valid than their actual experience?

I don't think so.

Some of the people were so happy, they left the seance in tears.

I don't have the right to rob anyone of that joy.

Nobody does.

And don't let anyone rob you of yours.

Remain faithful even as people like me remain defiant.

If you believe that after we die, we go to heaven, keep believing it.

If you believe we reconnect with our loved ones, keep believing it.

If you have some belief about the afterlife that gives you comfort, keep believing it.

I'm willing to bet you're wrong, but I say this with all sincerity.

I really want to lose that bet.

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You're not missing any of the story, but the video is there if you'd like to see more.

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There are thousands of people on there 24-7 and they're into the same weird stuff we are.

It's a great community.

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It's at thewifiles.com/slash discord.

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Every episode, every podcast, every live stream, everything I do is dedicated to our Patreon members.

I couldn't do this without your support.

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YouTube membership is meant to save you money, not make me money.

In fact, every dollar from YouTube memberships goes to my great team.

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I hope you had fun and I hope you know that me and everyone at the WAPOS team is working really hard for you.

So until next time, be safe, be kind, and know that you are appreciated.

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