561: Philadelphia to Montauk and Beyond | Al Bielek's Journey through Time and Space

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Speaker 5 Navy engineer Ed Cameron and his brother Duncan waited nervously.

Speaker 7 They hoped this time would be better than the last.

Speaker 9 A lot of good men died that day and they did not die well.

Speaker 10 This new technology could turn the tide of World War II.

Speaker 6 Sacrifices had to be made.

Speaker 12 Ed hoped those sacrifices wouldn't be in vain.

Speaker 11 Just when they thought the experiment was working, all hell broke loose.

Speaker 18 They ran from the engine room to the deck.

Speaker 14 Like before, a swirling green vortex of light surrounded the ship.

Speaker 16 They kept running and gave each other a knowing look as they reached the end of the deck and jumped.

Speaker 4 Just as they were about to hit the water, Al-Bilek opened his eyes.

Speaker 24 It was the most vivid dream he'd ever had.

Speaker 26 It felt like a memory.

Speaker 4 That June morning in 1977 was the day Al-Bilek became obsessed with the Philadelphia experiment.

Speaker 11 As World War II loomed, the United States found itself unprepared.

Speaker 6 America wasn't a superpower then. Its military was only the 10th largest in the world, half the size of England's.
The U.S.

Speaker 11 military needed an edge.

Speaker 4 Building an army would take years, so that edge would have to come from technology.

Speaker 7 During World War I, Nikola Tesla worked with the United States Army on remote control technology and ways to detect submarines.

Speaker 18 Tesla said he created a particle beam weapon nicknamed Tesla's Death Ray, though there's no evidence that it worked.

Speaker 4 Okay, there might be evidence it worked a little too well.

Speaker 32 Tesla's Death Ray linked down below yo.

Speaker 14 The war began in 1939.

Speaker 6 Germany seemed invincible.

Speaker 17 By 1942, Nazi forces occupied almost all of Europe, North Africa, and huge parts of Russia.

Speaker 23 The U.S., now part of the Allies, appeared to be on the losing side.

Speaker 19 Desperate for an advantage, the U.S.

Speaker 10 military once again looked to science.

Speaker 24 Tesla had ideas for electromagnetic weapons, including one for invisibility.

Speaker 35 In 1919, Albert Einstein proved light could be bent by gravity.

Speaker 30 Out of desperation, the United States launched Project Rainbow.

Speaker 30 Building on the theories of Tesla and Einstein, scientists designed a device that could make ships invisible to radar and invisible to the naked eye.

Speaker 24 The goal was ambitious.

Speaker 37 Create a powerful electromagnetic field to warp space-time around the ship.

Speaker 13 A prototype was installed on the USS Eldritch.

Speaker 28 In July 1943, they were ready for the first test.

Speaker 19 Dr.

Speaker 6 John von Neumann, a scientist working with the Navy, would lead the project.

Speaker 35 To operate the equipment, von Neumann chose two Navy Navy engineers, brothers Edward and Duncan Cameron.

Speaker 36 They manned their stations in the engine room, and when the call came in, they switched on the machine.

Speaker 6 Within a few seconds, the ship resonated with a deep humming sound. Then a glowing green fog appeared.

Speaker 7 People watching from the dock and nearby ships couldn't believe it.

Speaker 38 The Eldridge was gone.

Speaker 39 That is, until it mysteriously turned up in Norfolk, Virginia, over 200 miles away.

Speaker 18 But the strangest part, it was seen there 10 minutes before the equipment was turned on.

Speaker 32 So it was invisible or it time traveled?

Speaker 11 Both.

Speaker 25 20 minutes later, the Eldridge reappeared in Philadelphia, but something had gone terribly wrong.

Speaker 40 When the eldridge reappeared in Philadelphia, sailors on other ships cheered.

Speaker 30 They thought the experiment was a success.

Speaker 33 It wasn't.

Speaker 16 For the men aboard, it was a nightmare.

Speaker 16 Men were found fused to parts of the ship, screaming in agony.

Speaker 9 Ed and Duncan Cameron survived the experiment, but other survivors weren't so lucky.

Speaker 16 Some had severe burns and radiation sickness.

Speaker 18 Some went insane.

Speaker 6 Some men simply vanished.

Speaker 30 Despite the disaster, the U.S. Navy saw potential.

Speaker 43 They brought in their top scientific consultant, Albert Einstein, for advice.

Speaker 32 Yeah, if you're going to phone a friend, he's a good one to have on speed dial.

Speaker 39 He sure is.

Speaker 32 So you're going with the laws of physics are the same for all non-accelerating observers, and that the speed of light in a vacuum is constant, regardless of the observer's motion.

Speaker 32 Is that your final answer?

Speaker 16 On October 28th, 1943, after repairs and upgrades, it was time for another Philadelphia experiment.

Speaker 14 Ed and Duncan Cameron took their posts.

Speaker 36 The call came in from the bridge.

Speaker 5 It was time to go.

Speaker 17 Ed turned on the machine, which spun to life with a familiar low humming sound.

Speaker 19 The Cameron brothers waited nervously.

Speaker 30 A few seconds later, there was an explosion.

Speaker 6 The machine was shaking itself loose, and fires were breaking out everywhere.

Speaker 30 Ed and Duncan raced topside and saw the same bright green vortex surrounding the ship.

Speaker 16 They jumped over the railing, expecting to land in the water in the Philadelphia shipyard. Instead, they fell through the bright green light and hit dry land.

Speaker 13 They were still covered in light, but now the light was coming from a helicopter and the headlights of a jeep.

Speaker 19 Two military policemen yanked Ed and Duncan to their feet and drove them to a building nearby.

Speaker 38 They were escorted down a long hallway and placed into an elevator.

Speaker 29 An MP hit a button, the door closed, and they felt themselves going down, a long way down.

Speaker 11 When the elevator doors opened, they saw a familiar face, Dr.

Speaker 6 John Van Neumann, the physicist in charge of the experiment.

Speaker 14 But von Neumann looked old, very old.

Speaker 18 Van Neumann said, welcome to 1983, boys.

Speaker 20 The Cameron brothers looked at each other, confused.

Speaker 11 Did he say 1983?

Speaker 44 That's not right, the year was 1943.

Speaker 19 Then von Neumann said, Come with me.

Speaker 9 A lot has happened in the last 40 years.

Speaker 30 Ed and Duncan thought they were jumping to safety when they jumped overboard.

Speaker 12 They had no idea they'd be jumping through time.

Speaker 27 Ed and Duncan Cameron found themselves in an underground facility beneath Montauk Air Force Station on Long Island.

Speaker 24 Officially, it was a decommissioned radar station.

Speaker 6 Unofficially, it was the headquarters of the Montauk Project, a continuation and escalation of the Philadelphia experiment.

Speaker 6 And like the Philadelphia experiment, the Montauk Project could manipulate the fabric of time and space, but now the manipulation could be controlled.

Speaker 32 Uh, controlled by what?

Speaker 6 Psychics and alien technology.

Speaker 32 This story feels like Christmas morning. Uh, please continue.

Speaker 22 Central to the experiments was the Montauk chair.

Speaker 26 The chair used computers to generate electromagnetic fields that interacted with human brainwaves.

Speaker 39 Nikola Tesla's theories on resonance and energy played a role in the chair's design.

Speaker 9 The technology that connected the human mind to the machine was reverse engineered from UFOs.

Speaker 16 Many recovered UFOs had no physical controls.

Speaker 8 They were operated by the mind of the pilot.

Speaker 7 The Montauk chair amplified psychic abilities, allowing subjects to manifest objects, see distant locations, and travel through time.

Speaker 26 Both Ed and Duncan used the chair effectively, but Duncan was naturally talented.

Speaker 30 His abilities made him the focal point of the tests.

Speaker 6 During one intense session, Duncan's eyes rolled back, his voice became unnaturally deep, and he said he could see other worlds and parallel dimensions.

Speaker 30 He said the multiverse is real.

Speaker 6 Edward wasn't as proficient, but he could still travel through time.

Speaker 38 On one occasion, Ed and Duncan traveled together to the year 2137, and they did not like what they found.

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Speaker 18 By 1987, Duncan had mastered the Montauk chair.

Speaker 7 He could visit any time or place and bring Ed with him.

Speaker 28 The brothers sat in their chairs.

Speaker 39 Duncan focused on sending them 150 years into the future to 2137.

Speaker 6 There was a flash of light, and suddenly they were in a wasteland.

Speaker 24 In the distance, they saw cities and ruins.

Speaker 9 They walked past the occasional outpost, but most locals didn't want anything to do with them.

Speaker 11 But some were willing to talk.

Speaker 87 Sometime in the late 2020s, a nuclear war broke out between the West, Russia, and China. Every big city on Earth was destroyed, and most small cities too.
Governments were gone.

Speaker 87 People became tribal again. The war caused a climate catastrophe that put the coastlines underwater.
Only about 100 million people survived.

Speaker 27 Despite this disaster, people still expressed hope for the future.

Speaker 87 There aren't many of us left, but we're still moving technology forward. Not as fast as we'd like, but we're resilient.
We still innovate.

Speaker 87 Everyone is building weapons, weapons, of course, but we've also been able to cure most diseases. And we think we've discovered a way to heal the planet.

Speaker 87 It's just a matter of time. A matter of time.

Speaker 5 Just a matter of time, she said.

Speaker 7 Duncan and Ed decided to test this theory.

Speaker 13 They went into the future 300 more years to 2749.

Speaker 24 This place was very different.

Speaker 28 Ed and Duncan described it as a utopia.

Speaker 27 Society had rebuilt itself in harmony with technology and nature.

Speaker 24 Buildings floated using anti-gravity.

Speaker 41 Energy was clean and limitless, pulled from the quantum vacuum.

Speaker 9 Pollution didn't exist.

Speaker 32 How dare you?

Speaker 44 Oh, and governments didn't exist.

Speaker 32 Oh, I like the sound of that.

Speaker 32 But if there's no government, who's running things?

Speaker 44 Artificial intelligence.

Speaker 32 They put AI in charge of the whole world?

Speaker 32 Oh, you humans.

Speaker 32 This won't end well.

Speaker 18 People lived in peace and wanted for nothing.

Speaker 6 Money was no longer necessary.

Speaker 35 Technology provided food, education, entertainment, and anything else they needed.

Speaker 18 Education and personal development were prioritized.

Speaker 6 People spent their lives learning and exploring their interests, free from the burdens of labor and survival.

Speaker 9 This was a world where humanity had not just survived, but thrived.

Speaker 6 This future was paradise.

Speaker 24 The thought of returning to Montauk's cold underground rooms was depressing. This place was blissful.

Speaker 18 Ed and Duncan could finally be free of the infamous Montauk Project and the Montauk chair.

Speaker 6 So, defying their orders, they decided to stay.

Speaker 30 Ed opened his eyes and checked his watch.

Speaker 27 Though he and Duncan lived in the future for two years, no time had passed.

Speaker 22 This was a superpower.

Speaker 21 They could travel anywhere in time and the world. And then Ed heard Duncan's voice in his mind, not just anywhere in the world.

Speaker 11 We can travel to any world in the galaxy. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what?

Speaker 43 A flash of light transported them to another planet.

Speaker 7 It was stark and desolate, bathed in perpetual twilight.

Speaker 24 The sky was an eerie shade of purple.

Speaker 9 The air was thin and tasted metallic.

Speaker 18 Jagged mountains and barren plains stretched to the horizon.

Speaker 30 Ed was also curious why Duncan brought them to such a harsh place. Duncan said this planet is home to the most advanced civilization in the galaxy.

Speaker 5 Duncan described the inhabitants as tall, slender beings with long limbs and large almond-shaped eyes.

Speaker 6 They communicated telepathically.

Speaker 43 They mastered teleportation.

Speaker 36 They could manipulate matter at the molecular level.

Speaker 41 They were nearly immortal.

Speaker 30 Ed was about to ask a question, but then Duncan closed his eyes and once again there was a flash of light.

Speaker 6 Then they were in a lush jungle, and judging by the sound, this planet was teeming with life.

Speaker 19 And Duncan said it was, then transmitted an image into Ed's mind, a huge city built into the jungle landscape.

Speaker 12 Ed asked who lived there.

Speaker 6 Duncan motioned to the jungle behind him and said, they do.

Speaker 34 Ed turned and saw two reptilian creatures watching them from the jungle.

Speaker 11 Lizard people!

Speaker 88 Yep.

Speaker 32 Does this kid have a death witch? If there's only one rule in interdimensional space travel, it's do not go to the lizard people planet.

Speaker 6 Ed got the same impression.

Speaker 39 He said the creatures didn't look friendly, and Duncan said, they're not.

Speaker 28 We should get out of here.

Speaker 6 Then he fell to his knees like he was kicked in the gut.

Speaker 19 Ed helped him up and asked if he was alright.

Speaker 6 Duncan said, no, Ed, I'm not.

Speaker 17 We need to get back to Montauk.

Speaker 38 There's something I have to tell you.

Speaker 29 Ed Cameron opened his eyes, disconnected from his chair, and bolted down the hall.

Speaker 39 He burst into his brother Duncan's room.

Speaker 9 Duncan looked terrible.

Speaker 6 He was panting, sweating, and his skin was pale.

Speaker 10 Dr. Von Neumann walked in next.

Speaker 42 Ed, I'm sorry. Your brother is dying.
Every time he jumps, he gets worse. Every jump spins off a new timeline.

Speaker 42 He's created paradoxes we didn't foresee, and he's damaged the fabric of space-time itself.

Speaker 30 Ed asked if there was anything that could be done.

Speaker 42 This all started in Philadelphia back in 43. We need to stop that experiment from ever happening.
So, as soon as Duncan is strong enough, you two will make one last jump.

Speaker 42 You'll go to the Eldridge and destroy the equipment.

Speaker 42 That should repair our timeline.

Speaker 43 Ed agreed to go, but what happens after that?

Speaker 42 When you return from the Eldridge, Duncan will...

Speaker 42 I have to be honest with you, Ed. It's dangerous.

Speaker 42 Duncan will project his consciousness and yours into the brains of infants in the late 1920s before the experiment was conceived. Your host is named Al Belick.

Speaker 6 Ed was confused.

Speaker 30 He was born in 1916.

Speaker 24 Would he coexist with this other person?

Speaker 42 All your memories will be suppressed. Al Belick won't know that your consciousness is there.
We need to keep your and Duncan's knowledge hidden.

Speaker 42 The other Ed and Duncan Cameron will never be a part of the experiment. But if we need you, this version of you, in the future, we'll know where to find you.

Speaker 30 Now Ed understood what had to be done.

Speaker 32 Yeah, at least somebody understands. Edis story sounds like it was written by Christopher Nolan on magic mushrooms.

Speaker 24 The consciousness transfer was a security measure.

Speaker 43 Ed and Duncan had a lot of valuable knowledge.

Speaker 8 If the Philadelphia experiment never happens, then the Montauk project never happens.

Speaker 30 And maybe that's a good thing, but it makes sense to keep their knowledge safe just in case. Ed felt a sudden shiver and asked von Neumann a question.

Speaker 19 He was pretty sure he already knew the answer.

Speaker 7 He asked, what happens to them here in Montauk after the consciousness transfer?

Speaker 42 Once we're sure that both your consciousnesses have been transferred safely, I will tell Duncan a phrase. The time is now.
It's a subliminal message. The time is now.

Speaker 42 As soon as he hears the phrase, he will summon a monster from another dimension. That monster will destroy our equipment, our files, everything.

Speaker 42 And when that's done, it will kill us all.

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Speaker 43 Throughout the 1970s and 80s, Al Bilek worked as an electrical engineer, and his coworkers described him as thoughtful and intelligent.

Speaker 9 But he also had a fascination with fringe science.

Speaker 41 In 1985, Al went to Montauk, New York to hear Preston Nichols give a presentation about how he used electromagnetic waves for various applications, from healing to amplifying psychic power.

Speaker 28 Al wanted to learn more about his psychic research.

Speaker 30 Nichols walked on stage with his assistant who he introduced to the audience.

Speaker 44 His name was Duncan Cameron.

Speaker 16 Though he'd never seen Duncan before, Al swore he knew him.

Speaker 39 After the presentation, Al introduced himself.

Speaker 88 And we talked for about two and a half hours. About halfway through this, I got the strange feeling in a bit of my stomach, I knew this guy from someplace.

Speaker 88 So I finally asked him, I said, Duncan, do you have any feeling, any

Speaker 88 idea that possibly you know me from somewhere? She said, yes.

Speaker 88 I said, I do. I said, from where? He says, I have no idea.
I said, I get the same feeling. I also have no idea where it's from.

Speaker 35 Preston smiled and said he wanted to show them something.

Speaker 38 A few miles east was an abandoned military base, the old Montauk Air Force Station.

Speaker 29 Preston said they might find answers there.

Speaker 6 They explored the empty buildings all day, and Al had an eerie sense that he'd been there before.

Speaker 89 We felt something, we didn't like it.

Speaker 89 We went driving, finally parked the van at the park, and we went wandering on the grounds, wide open.

Speaker 90 Fences were down.

Speaker 91 Further into the grounds we went, the more ugly we felt about what we were feeling.

Speaker 91 We were not nauseous, but we were very highly disturbed. The fields around that property in broad daylight.

Speaker 39 Over the next couple of years, Al's memories of the Montauk Project returned.

Speaker 6 Preston Nichols told Al he was brainwashed. Preston said the same thing happened to him.
Preston Nichols lived two lives simultaneously.

Speaker 18 In one, he was an electrical engineer.

Speaker 39 In the other, he was the director of the Montauk Project.

Speaker 30 Al Bielik was brainwashed the same way.

Speaker 14 And now that his memories were returning, his recurring dreams started to make sense.

Speaker 18 In the dream, Al's name was Edward Cameron.

Speaker 16 He worked with his brother Duncan on a ship.

Speaker 22 There was an accident.

Speaker 38 They jumped overboard and then Al woke up.

Speaker 10 Then in 1988, everything fell into place.

Speaker 30 Al, now retired, was watching TV late one night.

Speaker 88 At 4 a.m. in the morning, HBO announced that the next feature of the evening would be the Philadelphia Experiment.

Speaker 89 It started to trigger memories. First of the Phoenix Project.
Then in 88, when I, for the first time saw the movie, it hit me like a bomb. And I started to remember the Philadelphia Experiment.

Speaker 43 Because of the movie, Al's repressed memories of the Philadelphia Experiment came flooding back in.

Speaker 90 If you've ever seen the movie The Philadelphia Experiment, they show the opening scene taking place in a bar in downtown Philadelphia.

Speaker 91 That did actually occur. The name of that bar was the Blue Lagoon.
I was there quite a bit.

Speaker 90 In the movie, they show two principals running the equipment who are having their last night out.

Speaker 91 The taller one played by,

Speaker 91 I think it was Robert Perre,

Speaker 91 was my brother. The other one, it was shorter and they didn't have a role model.

Speaker 90 And with the girlfriend, was me.

Speaker 24 Over the next two years, Al Bilek recalled all of Edward Cameron's memories and the truth.

Speaker 33 and the truth was ugly.

Speaker 12 The Montauk Project was a black ops government program to create psychological weapons.

Speaker 24 Thousands of people were used in experiments against their will.

Speaker 6 Most were boys between 10 and 15 years old.

Speaker 19 Some of these children remember the experiments.

Speaker 14 They're known as the Montauk Boys.

Speaker 88 They wanted a large number of programmed boys to be used

Speaker 88 for mind control operations.

Speaker 88 The Montauk Boys program, basically

Speaker 88 what they were doing, they would pick up boys, young men, off the street. So they started picking these kids up because they were quite literally homeless.
When they were done programming them,

Speaker 88 they would send them back to where they had come from, waiting to be used.

Speaker 92 There was a

Speaker 92 psychic by the name of Concameron who was one of the ones used. And

Speaker 92 many of us boys who were in our early teens at the time were used energetically to boost him while he was in the chair.

Speaker 6 In 1990, Al Bilek started giving lectures nationwide.

Speaker 30 He wanted to expose the government cover-up of the Montauk project.

Speaker 6 He wanted the public to know about the human rights violations, missing children, about the abuse.

Speaker 88 I went to Jock Cruz, the station master, and said, look, we've got to change this program.

Speaker 88 We're beating Northeast kids to death and they're being treated very badly. They refuse to become part of it.

Speaker 19 Al Beelek and Preston Nichols said the Montauk project focused on mind control, time travel, interdimensional travel, and psychics.

Speaker 18 The U.S.

Speaker 26 government denies these claims as ridiculous.

Speaker 11 But are they?

Speaker 30 Did the U.S.

Speaker 19 government research time travel and interdimensional travel?

Speaker 12 Yes, that was the gateway process.

Speaker 24 Did the U.S.

Speaker 19 government use psychics for military and espionage?

Speaker 28 Yes, that was Project Stargate.

Speaker 21 And the big one, did the U.S.

Speaker 10 government conduct mind control experiments on people against their will?

Speaker 27 Yes, that was the MK Ultra program.

Speaker 94 Many unwitting men, including themselves, all with the use of a hitum cavalry. I was only nine years old when this sexual humiliation began.

Speaker 94 I was in what looked like a laboratory, and there seemed to be other children. I was strapped down, naked, spread eagle on a table, on my back.
Dr. Green had electrodes on my body, including my head.

Speaker 94 I was exploited unwittingly for nearly three decades of my life, and the only explanations given to me were that, quote, the unjustifies the means.

Speaker 94 And, quote, I was serving my country in their bold effort to fight communism. Fight communism.
Fight communism.

Speaker 32 Yeah, we got links to all that stuff down there, too. Down in the edge in the place.

Speaker 22 There's no hard evidence that the Montauk Project happened, but does it really matter?

Speaker 17 The evil acts allegedly committed during the Montauk project did happen at one time or or another.

Speaker 15 I bet there are evil acts being committed against our citizens right now.

Speaker 9 So I'll make this promise to the scientists and researchers working in secret government programs.

Speaker 19 I'll stop reporting the crimes you commit against your own people when you stop committing them.

Speaker 44 And there's nothing you can do to stop it.

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Speaker 15 I've covered the Philadelphia experiment and the Montauk project before.

Speaker 24 Today's story is Al Belex.

Speaker 19 Al came forward in 1989 and quickly became a star in the UFO slash conspiracy community.

Speaker 16 He's been on over 40 radio shows, including Coast to Coast.

Speaker 27 He's headlined over 40 conferences.

Speaker 24 It's easy to see why.

Speaker 39 He has a great story and Al tells it well.

Speaker 24 But is it true?

Speaker 28 Well, that's tricky.

Speaker 25 We're not asking if the Philadelphia Experiment or Montauk Project happened.

Speaker 24 We're asking if Al Bilex's story is true.

Speaker 16 Al said he was born in New York in 1927.

Speaker 24 That's true, but he also said he was age-regressed.

Speaker 5 In the future, he was sent back in time to when he was a fetus. Edward Cameron's consciousness was sent back with him.

Speaker 24 Al said he served in the Navy, but there's no record of this.

Speaker 9 No record of Edward or Duncan Cameron serving on the Eldridge or any Navy ship.

Speaker 17 On the day of the Philadelphia experiment, The Eldridge was in New York.

Speaker 30 Al says all records of the experiment were erased by the government.

Speaker 38 The Philadelphia Experiment conspiracy theory really starts with two men, a UFO fan named Carl Allen and a UFO writer named Morris Jessup.

Speaker 11 There's a link down there for that too.

Speaker 32 We got links. We got links for these.
Step right up, ladies and gentlemen. Get your links.
Get your links right here.

Speaker 43 The time travel storyline wasn't part of the Philadelphia Experiment legend until the movie was released.

Speaker 18 Al's story contains a lot of details from the movie.

Speaker 7 And Al's story has changed over time.

Speaker 13 Originally, he jumped from 1943 to 1983, but over the years he added 2137, 2043, 2749, 3543, and all kinds of other dates.

Speaker 30 Sometimes Duncan stays behind in a certain time. Sometimes Al stays behind and works as a tour guide in the future with anti-gravity and floating cities.

Speaker 32 That tour guide on an anti-gravity city?

Speaker 32 Okay, folks, please follow me and stay stay with your group.

Speaker 26 We're floating.

Speaker 32 We're floating. Okay, stop.

Speaker 32 And we're floating.

Speaker 32 No flash photography, please. And we're floating.
We're floating.

Speaker 24 Al's story is flexible.

Speaker 43 When challenged, he said he's discovering new memories repressed from brainwashing.

Speaker 12 The Edward Cameron backstory evolved too.

Speaker 19 But Ed Cameron never existed.

Speaker 24 On Al's website was a picture of Edward Cameron, except it wasn't.

Speaker 14 It was really a Princeton yearbook photo of a Cameron, Alexander Cameron III, a class of 36.

Speaker 9 Al says the picture is Edward Cameron from a different timeline.

Speaker 24 Al's used other photos that were proven to be fake.

Speaker 43 Al said John von Neumann ran the project.

Speaker 13 Von Neumann was a real scientist, but he died in 1957.

Speaker 19 How could he be in Montauk in 1983?

Speaker 24 Al said he faked his death for protection.

Speaker 89 Dr. Van Neumann is still alive today.
Official records say that he died December or sometime in 57 of cancer.

Speaker 89 They gave him a new identity, but he remained on on the project and he was a director of the Phoenix project until 77,

Speaker 89 whereupon he became a consultant because he developed a split personality. Today, he is the split personality, if you will.

Speaker 30 Al also said the Office of Naval Research was involved in the Philadelphia experiment.

Speaker 9 The experiment happened in 1943.

Speaker 13 The ONR wasn't formed until 1946.

Speaker 11 There's plenty of evidence Al-Bilek made the whole thing up, but when backed into a corner, he used the different timeline trope as a crutch.

Speaker 33 But did it though?

Speaker 19 No, it did not.

Speaker 37 Al said nuclear war happens in 2000.

Speaker 9 When that didn't happen, he said 2005, then 2015.

Speaker 29 Al-Bilek passed away in 2011, so we don't have an update on when the nuclear war actually starts.

Speaker 18 While Al Bilek was gaining fame telling his story, other people were popping up saying the same thing happened to them, but they'd add new details.

Speaker 30 Al would then incorporate those details into his own story.

Speaker 43 That's how the Montauk project eventually became part of Al's story.

Speaker 21 Now, I won't go into the Montauk Project connection here.

Speaker 6 I cover that in another episode, where I have a lot to say about Preston Nichols.

Speaker 18 Things that aren't widely reported.

Speaker 12 Things that you won't like.

Speaker 24 I talk about Al Bilek in that episode too, but it's a different version of his story.

Speaker 30 Today's was his original version with some new details like traveling to other planets.

Speaker 12 I included that chapter because it was fun.

Speaker 32 And it was a chance for me to say Lizard People. And people love it when I say that.

Speaker 11 They do.

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Speaker 6 Al Bilek never provided physical evidence or any information that could be confirmed.

Speaker 30 We do know that he was always a little paranoid and into conspiracies.

Speaker 24 A former co-worker of Al's was asked if he believed the story.

Speaker 30 He said Al was a nice guy and intelligent, but he wasn't surprised to hear the story.

Speaker 95 I find this story pretty hard to believe, but it sure seems like a logical progression for Al from what I recall. He was always talking about underground bases and government cover-ups.

Speaker 95 He had one story after another about secret research, UFOs, extraterrestrials, you name it.

Speaker 11 Another former coworker also confirmed Al was into all this stuff, but it didn't bother him.

Speaker 93 Hey, if I could get people to pay to hear my once-upon-a-time bullshit stories, I'd do it too. More power to them.
Caveat mTOR.

Speaker 93 Everyone has to exercise his or own wisdom in deciding if someone is the real thing or not.

Speaker 18 And that's the main theme of the Wi-Files.

Speaker 30 I try to give you as much information as I can.

Speaker 12 It's really up to you to decide what you believe.

Speaker 39 Now, true or not, these stories spark our imagination.

Speaker 6 They keep us interested in concepts like time travel, psychic phenomena, alternate realities, and other mysteries of the universe.

Speaker 6 We'll only unlock these mysteries if we stay fascinated by the possibilities of not what is, but what could be.

Speaker 7 Also, these stories remind us to keep an eye on the government.

Speaker 25 Secret government research is real.

Speaker 11 We only know this because of whistleblowers from Al Bielik to Bob Lazar, to Phil Schneider to David Grush, and many more.

Speaker 19 But don't blindly accept their claims as true and don't instantly assume their claims are false.

Speaker 21 Demand proof.

Speaker 37 You believe them?

Speaker 11 Good.

Speaker 40 Investigate and prove it.

Speaker 38 You think they're lying?

Speaker 33 Good.

Speaker 40 Investigate and prove it.

Speaker 23 We only know about MKUltra, Stargate, Project Blue Book, and all the others because whistleblowers came forward.

Speaker 30 They made unbelievable claims that most people dismissed.

Speaker 24 But some people believed the stories.

Speaker 9 They investigated and found proof that the claims were true.

Speaker 11 On one side are true believers.

Speaker 12 On the other, die-hard skeptics.

Speaker 29 Both sides constantly try to prove the other wrong.

Speaker 33 Good.

Speaker 24 Keep investigating.

Speaker 7 Both sides want the same thing.

Speaker 11 What we all want.

Speaker 12 What we all deserve.

Speaker 28 We deserve the truth.

Speaker 30 Thank you so much for hanging out today. My name is AJ.
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Speaker 74 Where's the beef?

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Speaker 74 I played Bolivius and Arian 51. A secret code inside the Bible said I would.

Speaker 74 I love my UFOs and paranormal fun, as well as music, song singing like I should.

Speaker 74 But then another conspiracy theory becomes the truth, my friends.

Speaker 74 And it never ends.

Speaker 74 No, it never ends

Speaker 74 I feel the crap guy down, got stuck inside Mel's home with them chaotra. I'm being only too aware

Speaker 74 Dude, Stanley Kufrick fake the moon landing alone

Speaker 74 on a film set or where the shadow people

Speaker 74 there

Speaker 74 The Roswell aliens just fought the smiling man, I'm told,

Speaker 74 and his name was Cole.

Speaker 74 I can't believe I'm dancing with the bitches.

Speaker 74 And the fish on Thursday, nights, Wednesday, J2 and the rappers have been all through the night.

Speaker 74 All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So the wildfire's love for me all through the light.

Speaker 74 The Mothman sightings and the solar storms still come to have got the secret city underground

Speaker 74 Mysterious number stations, planet Surfo to Project Stargate, and what the Dark Watchers found.

Speaker 74 We've been a simulation, don't you worry though?

Speaker 74 The Black Knights had a lot of told me. So

Speaker 74 I can't believe

Speaker 74 I'm dancing with the fierce shit. And we'll fish on Thursday, nights, Wednesday, J2.
And the WAPA's ramping me all through the night.

Speaker 74 All I ever wanted was to just hear the truth. So the wild balls are beat up through the line.

Speaker 74 Handsome fish on Thursday nights with Bay JQ. And one's living

Speaker 74 all through the line.

Speaker 74 All I ever wanted was could you hear the truth. So the wild balls are with me all through the

Speaker 74 light.

Speaker 74 Gurdy loves to dance.

Speaker 74 Gurdy loves to dance.

Speaker 74 Gurdy loves to dance.

Speaker 74 Gurdy loves to dance at the dance floor

Speaker 74 because she is a camel.

Speaker 74 And camels love to dance when the feeling is right on wasting

Speaker 74 time.

Speaker 74 Gurdy loves to dance.

Speaker 74 Gurdy loves to dance.

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