668: The Long Fuse

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Speaker 2 A few years ago, ago, Jennifer Glamesier was watching this PBS cooking show,

Speaker 2 and this chef, David Chang, started talking about MSG. Monosodium glutamates.
And of course, lots of people believe MSG is bad for you. It gives you headaches, food hangover.

Speaker 2 That idea has been around for decades. I grew up hearing this.
Maybe you did too. But Jennifer knows this is a myth.

Speaker 2 And in fact, the very next segment on the show is science and food writer Harold McGee saying just that.

Speaker 3 And he just had this sort of throwaway line that, yeah, this myth of MSG being harmful can be traced back to one letter in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Speaker 7 A letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Speaker 3 And I was just sort of sitting there going, huh, one letter.

Speaker 3 It was like, oh, it's an origin story.

Speaker 2 At the time, Jennifer was a PhD student, very interested in the way people talk about race and Asian Americans.

Speaker 2 So to hear that there was once this letter that led Americans to freak out about the dangers of an ingredient commonly used in Chinese food, an ingredient that was later proven totally harmless, Jennifer wanted to see that letter.

Speaker 2 So she went into the stacks, found this old journal from the 60s. And there it was.
A letter to the editor from a doctor titled Chinese Restaurant Syndrome.

Speaker 3 So the letter reads, For several years since I have been in this country, I have experienced a strange syndrome whenever I have eaten out in a Chinese restaurant.

Speaker 3 The syndrome, which usually begins 15 to 20 minutes after I have eaten the first dish, lasts for about two hours without any hangover effect.

Speaker 3 The most prominent symptoms are numbness at the back of the neck.

Speaker 2 He runs through the symptoms that he's observed.

Speaker 2 Then he runs through the possible causes for this strange numbness and eliminates them one by one.

Speaker 2 Soy sauce? No.

Speaker 2 Cooking wine? No.

Speaker 2 And then he gets to the sentence it's going to live on for a half century.

Speaker 2 Quote: Others have suggested that it may be caused by the monosodium glutamate seasoning used to a great extent for seasoning in Chinese restaurants.

Speaker 3 And that one line is what spawned this entire myth.

Speaker 2 The letter is signed.

Speaker 3 Robert Ho Man Kwok, MD.

Speaker 2 So the first thing she did was look up Dr. Kwok to get the whole story from him.
What she learned was Dr. Kwok had been a researcher and a pediatrician in Maryland, and he was dead.

Speaker 2 She ran an obituary in 2014.

Speaker 2 So instead, she traced the history of how this letter blew up, led to all these other things.

Speaker 2 By reading subsequent issues of the New England Journal of Medicine and newspapers from the time and other documents, she wrote a paper, published it in an academic journal in 2017.

Speaker 2 And then after that, she gets his voicemail or no work number. She's a professor at Colgate University.

Speaker 10 Yes, good afternoon.

Speaker 11 My name is Dr. Howard Steele.
I'm a Colgate alum.

Speaker 12 In fact, I'm the oldest surviving trustee at Colgate, and I've been there since God

Speaker 12 and love it.

Speaker 13 At any rate.

Speaker 3 And at first, I'm just like, am I in trouble? Like, you know,

Speaker 3 why is a board member calling me? What's going on?

Speaker 12 I have some information perhaps you might like to hear.

Speaker 3 And then he sort of pauses and he says, I am the author of

Speaker 12 Ho-Man Kwok.

Speaker 3 I am the author of Ho-Man Quok.

Speaker 3 My brain just sort of goes, what?

Speaker 12 And I have a lot to say about it. I just surfaced.

Speaker 3 And I'm listening to the voicemail in my living room and my jaw is just dropping. One or two are off.
Because up until then, I had completely...

Speaker 3 operated under the assumption that Dr. Ho-man Kwok was a Chinese-American researcher.

Speaker 3 And all of a sudden, I don't know what to believe.

Speaker 2 It confused you makes sense because, remember, there was a Dr. Robert Homan Kwok, the one whose obituary she read.
So who's this guy on the phone? I have a phone.

Speaker 12 I answer that phone all the time because I store the

Speaker 12 little thing that keeps it electrified

Speaker 12 in my left chest.

Speaker 2 And he makes this little joke about how he keeps his phone in his pocket right by the thing that electrifies his pacemaker.

Speaker 12 So when the phone rings, my heart stops and I answer immediately. At any rate, it would be a pleasure to hear you hanging up now.

Speaker 12 Have a nice evening. Bye.

Speaker 14 Okay,

Speaker 16 what?

Speaker 14 Right?

Speaker 2 This message was just the beginning. The very odd beginning of a story that we're going to continue in just a minute.
You will hear more from the mysterious Dr. Steele.

Speaker 2 Because this letter to the editor, I don't know, is it possible that this is the most impactful letter to the editor in the history of letters to the editor?

Speaker 2 It launched an entire MSG scare that lasted for decades. Even today, 42% of all Americans think that it's bad for you.

Speaker 5 And it's not.

Speaker 2 Since the 90s, the FDA has listed MSG as perfectly safe for its intended use, like vinegar, salt, pepper.

Speaker 2 Today in our show, we have three stories like this one, where people throw words out into the world that take on a totally unexpected life of their own.

Speaker 2 And in all these stories, the words wreak havoc for years. From WBC Chicago, it's This American Life.
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Act one.

Speaker 2 Humor is not the best medicine.

Speaker 2 Okay, so where we left off, it was the voicemail on Jennifer LeMessure's phone from this retired surgeon where he says, okay, I'm the guy. I made up a fake name.

Speaker 5 I wrote a letter.

Speaker 2 And it set off 50 years of completely needless panic over MSG.

Speaker 4 Call me.

Speaker 2 Lily Sullivan. explains what happened next.

Speaker 20 When Howard Steele left that voicemail for Jennifer LeMessure, she calls him back right away, gets the whole story from him.

Speaker 5 She doesn't record it though.

Speaker 20 And a few months later, Dr. Howard Steele dies.

Speaker 20 But before he died, the Colgate Alumni Magazine. Remember, Jennifer teaches at Colgate.
Howard's on their board. They did a couple interviews with him that they did record.

Speaker 6 Okay, great. Hi, Howard.

Speaker 2 Hi, how are you today? I'm fine, thanks. How are you?

Speaker 20 That's Michael Blanding, the journalist who did the interviews. He's the one you can hear typing during this call.

Speaker 14 I'm gonna

Speaker 16 take you back to the beginning.

Speaker 20 Howard's friend Bill was a doctor, too. They'd eat, drink, and talk shop.
And they got to talking about being published in medical journals.

Speaker 16 Yeah, Bill Hansen,

Speaker 16 he said, you know, you're stupid, Steele, number one. You shouldn't expect to send articles out and then get them published in these dumb journals.

Speaker 20 Howard's friend was a doctor of internal medicine, which he was constantly reminding Howard is a much smarter breed of doctor.

Speaker 10 He told me that it was impossible for someone as stupid as an orthopedic surgeon, which I was, to write an article that could be published in something as magnificent as a New England medical journal.

Speaker 10 That was a threat, and he was willing to make a bet.

Speaker 20 Bill bet Howard $10 that he couldn't get published there. It's one of the most prestigious medical journals in the world, which Howard took as a challenge.

Speaker 10 H-O,

Speaker 13 one word, M-A-N, one word, quock, K-W-O-K,

Speaker 10 figuring that someone when they got this letter would realize that what that word was was a breakdown of a not nice word we used to use all the time when someone was a jerk we call them a human crock of you know what

Speaker 20 human crock homan quok i know cringy an offensive pun on a chinese name A white guy playing an Asian for laughs. Keep in mind, this is the 60s.
He said he made up the name of Dr.

Speaker 20 Kwok's Research Institute and his title too.

Speaker 20 He said the Chinese food wasn't the point of it, except for that they were at a Chinese restaurant eating and drinking a little too much the night they made the bet.

Speaker 20 And Howard won that bet. Yes, it wasn't an article, it was a letter, but it was printed in the journal.
Good enough for them.

Speaker 5 Here's Michael Blanding, the reporter who interviewed Howard.

Speaker 22 But once he saw it, once the letter was published, he was sort of mildly horrified.

Speaker 20 So he was horrified at first he wasn't happy that he won the the bet?

Speaker 22 It's hard to tell.

Speaker 22 You know, I'd seem like he would sort of go back and forth between being proud of the fact that he was able to achieve this being published in this journal and sort of being distressed by the fact that it actually made it into print.

Speaker 10 As soon as it came out, I called the journal editor and told him that it was a bunch of bug.

Speaker 10 It was all fake. It was all made up.
And he hung up the phone on me. He wouldn't talk any further.
He thought it was a jackass. So I kept calling him.

Speaker 10 And finally, apparently he gave a message to the phone girl in the office that if anybody named my howard called hang up so

Speaker 10 yeah actually for years i tried to call him and tell him that the whole thing was a hoax that it was not true that i didn't know anything about chinese and particularly chinese uh uh

Speaker 10 what's it called chinese uh restaurants i i never saw anybody with it didn't know what the hell i'm talking about so that's howard's story And then, this joke of his snowballed.

Speaker 20 After the letter was published, other doctors wrote in, some of them making jokes about this Chinese restaurant syndrome, but also often recounting their own experiences and symptoms.

Speaker 20 The New York Times notices 10 letters from doctors, publishes an article. Remember, no scientific studies at this point, just letters, some of them jokes.

Speaker 20 The headline was, Chinese restaurant syndrome puzzles doctors.

Speaker 20 The news spread from there, under headlines like, Quok's queas and Chinese chow numbs some.

Speaker 20 Here's Jennifer, the professor who traced the history.

Speaker 3 I mean the titles were very

Speaker 3 very offensive.

Speaker 3 Let's see. Let me see if I can find the one.

Speaker 3 From the Chicago Tribune. In broken English, the headline is Chinese food make you crazy?

Speaker 3 MSG is number one suspect.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 20 Chinese food make you crazy. I can't believe that was a headline.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 So I was like, hmm.

Speaker 3 They were all reacting to something that wasn't even real.

Speaker 3 It was all projection.

Speaker 20 To this day, lots of Chinese restaurants post no MSG signs in their windows and printed on their menus.

Speaker 10 Everybody in the world is talking about the Chinese restaurant syndrome.

Speaker 14 And it's a lie.

Speaker 10 It's a big fib.

Speaker 23 If it hits the shiny,

Speaker 10 it's astounding.

Speaker 20 Howard told lots of people this story over the years. He told groups of other doctors.
He told Jennifer, who believed him. She alerted the Alumni Magazine, who recorded those interviews.

Speaker 20 They pitched the story to us. And we were like, 96-year-old man confesses to writing a prank letter that drove the nation through a decades-long scare about a toxin that's not actually toxic?

Speaker 20 He's dead, but you have recordings?

Speaker 5 We're in.

Speaker 20 But as we and Michael the Reporter started looking into this more carefully, there were a few things that were puzzling.

Speaker 20 For one, the name of the research institute Howard said he invented, the National Biomedical Research Foundation. Michael discovered it was a real place.
And the real Dr.

Speaker 5 Kwok had worked there.

Speaker 20 Kind of a coincidence if Howard made up the name, like he said he did.

Speaker 5 It also seemed weird.

Speaker 20 If the journal published a fake letter with Dr. Kwok's name and institution on it, and it was quoted in over 100 newspapers, naming him and the letter, it seemed weird that the real Dr.

Speaker 20 Kwok never set the record straight, never published a letter complaining in the New England Journal of Medicine or in any of those newspapers.

Speaker 20 Also, Howard said he tried to get the journal to retract it, that he called and the editor wouldn't take his calls. We reached out to the New England Journal of Medicine.
They declined to comment.

Speaker 20 But it seems strange just on the face of it. Howard became a highly acclaimed surgeon.
He invented important medical procedures.

Speaker 20 It seems like for sure he could have gotten the attention of someone at the journal.

Speaker 20 It's hard to verify what really happened because everyone involved in this is dead. Howard is dead.
The friend he made the bet with is dead. The real Dr.
Kwok is dead.

Speaker 20 But... Dr.
Kwok has kids. We called them and talked to his family.
We also spoke to one of his colleagues at the Research Foundation and the son of his boss there.

Speaker 20 They all said yes, Dr.

Speaker 5 Robert Homan Kwok did write the letter.

Speaker 20 His daughter said he was proud of it, that he was a concerned doctor and a curious scientist who'd often pose questions like this. It wasn't a joke at all.

Speaker 20 The thought that Howard was going around telling this story for years, it creeped her out a little.

Speaker 20 And when you read the original letter, there are details that seem more likely to come from her father than from Howard. Like when he says he moved to the U.S., which the real Dr.

Speaker 20 Kwok did, and how he's very specific that the syndrome happens with northern Chinese food. In the 60s, how many white guys in Philadelphia would have made that distinction?

Speaker 20 Also, Home on Kwok is an actual Cantonese name. What are the odds that Howard Steele threw together random Chinese sounding syllables to arrive at that?

Speaker 20 I called up Jennifer. the professor that Howard Steele had left the voicemail for.

Speaker 20 I finally reached the Kwok family. Okay.
And they told me something.

Speaker 20 They say that their father did write the letter.

Speaker 10 What?

Speaker 20 Yeah, they say that he wrote it, and they're certain.

Speaker 14 Wow.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 20 What do you think of that?

Speaker 25 I honestly have no idea.

Speaker 4 Me neither.

Speaker 20 i just like i cannot believe that dr steele made this up

Speaker 25 right now i'm like are there two were there two letters like did they happen did like they happen to write about msg at the same time and like one got printed and like one person thought it was edited like i don't even know

Speaker 25 i mean

Speaker 5 i can't really like

Speaker 25 i mean man the timing of this i wish i wish dr steele was still alive i mean for many reasons obviously uh

Speaker 20 There were two options. Neither of them good.

Speaker 20 Someone has been telling a story that's not true for 50 years. One of these two men, both of whom were, by all accounts, brilliant, upstanding pillars of their communities.

Speaker 20 Either Howard was fessing up to something he totally did not do, claiming responsibility for the whole MSG mess when actually he had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 20 Or Howard was telling the truth. And Dr.

Speaker 20 Robert Holman Kwok, beloved pediatrician and researcher, had seen this letter to the editor in the journal with his name on it that he didn't write, was delighted with his good fortune and rolled with it for 50 years.

Speaker 20 I had one person left to call, Howard Steele's daughter, Anna. She grew up hearing this story.
I told her everything I just told you.

Speaker 24 Okay,

Speaker 24 that's that is a shock.

Speaker 5 But actually, not that big a shock.

Speaker 20 It took her about two seconds to make sense of all this. She believed the quoks, not her father.

Speaker 24 No, I don't think anybody who knew him and loved him

Speaker 24 would be surprised.

Speaker 24 It's just one more thing in the life of my dad.

Speaker 20 This, she said, this is exactly the kind of thing he loved to do. He liked to prank people, and he told lots of big stories about himself, many true.
and some not.

Speaker 20 You can never totally believe him and never quite not believe him.

Speaker 20 In fact, she says, it would help explain this other thing, that even though her father supposedly won the bet, his buddy never paid him.

Speaker 24 The fact the bet was never settled up is is

Speaker 24 is of suspect that maybe it was a wink-wink between them both.

Speaker 20 Well, so now knowing all this, do you feel convinced that he didn't write the letter?

Speaker 24 It seems to point in that direction, doesn't it?

Speaker 24 I mean, if I thought we were dealing with, you know, two straight-laced,

Speaker 24 straight-arrow, no-nonsense physicians, I might be arguing a stronger position. But knowing these two clowns,

Speaker 24 I'm not sure I can.

Speaker 24 There's not much I can say.

Speaker 20 So it seems like Howard didn't write the fake prank letter that caused decades of chaos. His prank was that he said he had written the letter.
He was claiming credit for chaos he didn't create.

Speaker 20 It was complicated to even think about.

Speaker 24 Oh my god.

Speaker 5 That's too funny.

Speaker 13 All right. Well,

Speaker 20 here we are.

Speaker 20 First, the world believed MSG was bad for you, and it wasn't. And now, We nearly believed a second piece of fake news, that it all started with Howard.

Speaker 20 Here's where Anna came down, loving her father and his best friend, but also, what the hell.

Speaker 24 I wish I could

Speaker 24 give them both a piece of my mind.

Speaker 24 I'm not angry, but I just want to say,

Speaker 24 you owe everybody a huge apology. What is wrong with you?

Speaker 24 And he would just start laughing, I'm sure. And he would have a big mischievous grin and he'd say something like, I don't owe anybody an apology.

Speaker 24 You all should have had your head screwed on straight to figure out this was a joke.

Speaker 20 So many people near the end of their lives are trying to make things right.

Speaker 20 He was trying to make trouble. Like

Speaker 20 a last act, like a lifelong legacy prank?

Speaker 24 Kind of.

Speaker 24 He got the last laugh.

Speaker 10 I'll do anything you want to with this. Oh, I'll talk to anybody.
They won't believe me anyway. I'm here and happy to screw things up further, but I can't believe what I did for 50-some years.

Speaker 10 So I don't know what anyone would want to do with it except shut my mouth. But it's getting kind of late.

Speaker 10 God will shut it pretty soon. And you know how she is.

Speaker 20 Howard died just a few months after he laughed his way through those interviews. He was 97.

Speaker 2 Lily Sullivan is one of the producers of our show.

Speaker 2 Back to Baby's Got Bank.

Speaker 2 Okay, I know how unlikely this sounds, but we now have another old guy basically pranking the world right before he dies, but on a scale that gets hundreds of thousands of people involved and excited and talking about this guy's plan that he set in motion for years and years.

Speaker 2 Stephanie Fu explains.

Speaker 5 In 1926, in Toronto, Canada, a 72-year-old lawyer named Charles Vance Miller was at lunch at the Queen's Hotel with two lawyer friends. They got into an argument over some legal matter.

Speaker 5 Miller told them they were both wrong, and he'd prove it if they followed him up to his office. He eagerly ran up three flights of stairs, grabbed a law book, plopped it on his desk, and then

Speaker 18 died.

Speaker 5 Just put his head down on the desk and was gone.

Speaker 5 A couple days later, rumors started swirling. Charles Vance Miller had done well for himself, gotten rich.

Speaker 5 He'd avoided scandal his whole life, was an upstanding citizen, though he had no family, never married. He'd hinted that he'd leave his fortune to the University of Toronto.

Speaker 5 But when his fellow lawyers brought out his will, that's not what they found.

Speaker 5 As soon as Miller's people started executing his will, they realized that his will was like an elaborate prank, as if he'd thrown a bunch of money out of a window to watch what would happen.

Speaker 5 He left stock in a brewery to prohibitionist pastors. He gave his racing stock to people who didn't believe believe in betting.

Speaker 5 He said he wanted to leave his vacation home in Jamaica to three other lawyers. A nice thing for them to share, except for the fact that the three lawyers all hated each other.

Speaker 5 But by far, the clause that unleashed the most mayhem was the last one. It's about all the rest of his money.
I'll just read it to you.

Speaker 5 At the expiration of 10 years from my death, give it, and its accumulations, to the mother who has since my death given birth in Toronto to the greatest number of children, as shown by the registrations under the Vital Statistics Act.

Speaker 5 End quote. In other words, the woman who had the most babies in the 10 years after his death would be awarded a whole lot of money.

Speaker 5 $9 million Canadian dollars in today's money, or almost $7 million US dollars.

Speaker 5 There were immediately a number of theories as to why Miller did this, but none of them were charitable.

Speaker 5 If he really wanted to support a young woman with a bundle of kids, he could have just willed all the money to her at the time of his death.

Speaker 5 But setting this up over the next 10 years created a twisted contest.

Speaker 5 Some said he was an avid supporter of birth control, so maybe setting off a baby-making storm could be a wicked way to force a conversation about it.

Speaker 5 Some said he was trying to test the legal system's ability to hold up a crazy will, but that he'd really expected it would be thrown out, that the money would automatically just be donated to the University of Toronto, his alma mater.

Speaker 5 People said that Miller had been obsessed with the idea of what people would do for money. He liked to talk about how everybody had their price.

Speaker 5 Maybe he was testing the women of Toronto to see what theirs was.

Speaker 18 I don't think anybody, you know, fully knows why he did this.

Speaker 5 This is Elizabeth Wilton. She wrote a 200-page dissertation on the contest.

Speaker 18 I just think he saw it as a big joke.

Speaker 5 I feel like the modern-day word for it would be that he was basically a troll.

Speaker 18 That would be a good word for it, yeah.

Speaker 5 He pretty much cops to it in his will.

Speaker 5 He says, this will is necessarily uncommon and capricious, because I have no dependents or near relations, and no duty rests upon me to leave any property at my death.

Speaker 5 And what I do leave is proof of my folly in gathering and retaining more than I required in my lifetime.

Speaker 5 Apparently, Miller really liked to drop dollar bills on the sidewalk and hide and watch people pick them up.

Speaker 5 When I think about the kind of person who'd plant a wallet in the street and put it on YouTube today as a commentary on human nature,

Speaker 5 yeah, I feel like I know who that guy is.

Speaker 5 For the first few years after Miller died, nothing happened. A few newspaper articles were written.
Nobody took it very seriously.

Speaker 5 Some relatives went to court arguing that the money should go to them.

Speaker 5 And then, six years after his death, the Attorney General introduced a bill trying to nullify the will and have the money donated to the University of Toronto. This was a mistake.
Totally backfired.

Speaker 5 Before this, not many people knew about the will, but now that the government was trying to invalidate it, the press picked it up, and there was a huge public outcry.

Speaker 5 But not in the way you might think. The public was like, baby making race? Hell yeah, we want a baby-making race.

Speaker 5 Women's groups supported the contest because they felt women should have a fair shot at the money, which, what can I say? It was a different time.

Speaker 5 Others disagreed with the government intervening in people's wills and affairs. Altogether, it caused an uproar.
The government backtracked, said, okay, fine. You people have fun.

Speaker 5 And with that, the race was on. Usually when this story has been told, it's like, ha ha, a man created the zany will that set off a wild baby-making storm in Canada.

Speaker 5 It conjures Brady Bunch images of big families happily stepping their way to fame and fortune. knee-deep in cabbage patch children.
But the way it unfolded was actually much darker.

Speaker 5 Because, of course, the story is about an old man encouraging women to go through the excruciating pain and danger of childbirth as often as possible in a 10-year period.

Speaker 5 A 10-year period that was already half over. This contest didn't really get started until six years in.
That made it skewed from the start.

Speaker 5 It meant suddenly the only contenders were women who had about six babies in the last six years. Women who didn't even know there was a contest to be part of.

Speaker 5 They found out about it quick when reporters started pounding on their doors.

Speaker 21 It was madness, really.

Speaker 17 It was

Speaker 21 a media feeding frenzy.

Speaker 5 This is Karen Nolan. She worked with Elizabeth to develop a screenplay for a movie based on the contest that aired on Canadian television in 2002.

Speaker 5 As soon as the will was verified, reporters went through the birth registry, found women who had already given birth to about six children since Charles's death.

Speaker 5 and dashed to their homes to try and get the exclusive.

Speaker 21 You know, they coined the phrase, the stork derby,

Speaker 21 comparing it to like a horse race. So there was a mad dash to track down the women, get their exclusive stories, and to follow them and hound them

Speaker 21 on the very intimate and personal details of their life.

Speaker 5 It must have been a jarring experience to be an automatic frontrunner in this bizarre contest. But most of the mothers went along with it because of the $9 million.

Speaker 5 Many of the contestants were desperately poor. During those first six years, the Great Depression had taken hold.
Nearly a quarter of Toronto's families were on welfare.

Speaker 5 Families were living in shacks or camps. Some even ate groundhogs to keep from starving.
Canada's birth rate had actually plummeted at the time.

Speaker 5 And so most of the families that suddenly found themselves in the running to receive the Stork Derby money agreed to media scrutiny because they wanted the chance at the prize and because, in the short term, the newspapers offered them money.

Speaker 5 Exclusive contracts where reporters could come and photograph and interview the families whenever they wanted to. Sometimes the families even got advertising deals for things like soap.

Speaker 5 In many ways, this was sort of like an OG reality show, albeit a really perverse one.

Speaker 5 The frontrunners of the stork derpy even became household names, like John and K plus 8, or maybe more like Octomom. After all, it was billed on the newsreels as freak Canadian race.

Speaker 5 Papers all over the world, from the New York Daily News to the Marshfield, Wisconsin News Herald, picked up the story.

Speaker 5 The press followed a bunch of contenders, but I'm only going to run through three of the long-term favorites to win. One of the first competitors that the newspapers dug up was Mrs.
Grace Bignato.

Speaker 5 I don't want to give away who won or how many kids Mrs. Bignato actually had during the race, but over her lifetime, Mrs.
Bignato was pregnant 24 times. though only 12 of those children lived.

Speaker 5 She was a working mother, she was a whiz with languages, picked up Polish, German, Yiddish, and worked as a court interpreter in Italian.

Speaker 5 All the while, she raised her 12 children and would get up at 4:30 in the morning to make two dozen butter tarts, macaroni, meatballs, sausage, and her famous red sauce for her family.

Speaker 5 But the public didn't exactly see her as a hero. Here's Karen again.

Speaker 21 The cultural makeup of Toronto at the time

Speaker 2 was a very waspy,

Speaker 21 waspy society. And we have this Italian family here who is, you know, reproducing children at a rate that outpaced the white Protestant Anglo-Saxons.

Speaker 5 Mrs. Bignato's husband was an Italian immigrant, and some papers weren't kind about that.
These were the years leading up to World War II.

Speaker 5 Of course, it didn't help that one of the other Italian contestants named one of their derby babies Little Benito Mussolini.

Speaker 5 But because of their nationality, Italian families in the race received phone calls calling their families fascists and threatening to kidnap their children.

Speaker 5 Contestant number two was Mrs. X.
She was the scandalous one.

Speaker 21 She was a social outcast because her children were fathered by different men, which was, you know, taboo.

Speaker 21 She was shamed for that.

Speaker 21 She was considered to be a trollop,

Speaker 21 you know, by having

Speaker 21 children with more than one man.

Speaker 5 That's a saucy word.

Speaker 5 I should start using that. Mrs.
X had five children from her husband, but then her marriage fell apart.

Speaker 5 He moved out and she entered into a new relationship with a man and had another five kids with him. She wanted to marry him, but didn't have enough money to go through with her divorce.

Speaker 5 All in all, Mrs. X had 10 children by the time she was 24.
She tried to hide her identity because of the circumstances of her situation, but her name was eventually revealed, Pauline May Clark.

Speaker 5 Contestant number three was Mrs. Kenney.

Speaker 17 She's my favorite character in the whole, whole story.

Speaker 5 Why is she your favorite?

Speaker 21 I think her eccentricity, for one thing,

Speaker 21 her passion, and her

Speaker 21 undeniable belief that she was the chosen one, if you will.

Speaker 5 Mrs. Kenney was in it to win it.
She was under five feet tall, but over the course of her lifetime, she wound up carrying 19 pregnancies to term.

Speaker 5 She was French-Canadian, married to an Irish man, and she believed that money was hers.

Speaker 5 She said she had the gift of second sight and a divine connection with Miller, who told her she was going to win. So of course it had to be true.
Mrs.

Speaker 5 Kenney was a talented wood carver and often sold her carvings in the street. And she carved a large number of statues of Miller, even named one of her children after him.

Speaker 5 At one point, a bunch of the leading derby mothers got together and said, screw screw this whole race. Let's just share the winnings.
It was a ton of money.

Speaker 4 They were all poor.

Speaker 5 It would still result in plenty for everyone. But Mrs.
Kenney was the sole holdout. The only one who insisted, no.
I'm the winner, she shouted once, and I won't split with anybody. Why should I?

Speaker 5 It's my money. And if the judge doesn't give it all to me, I'll walk right up to the bench and punch him in the eye.
So yeah, Mrs.

Speaker 5 Kenney was tough as nails, but she probably was the poorest of the three. Her family lived in a slum, and their home was infested with rats.
One night, rats attacked three of her children.

Speaker 5 Tiny, three-month-old Patrick, had the worst of it. Here's Karen.

Speaker 21 So, yes, it had bitten the baby

Speaker 21 in the face and neck area.

Speaker 21 And, you know, as we all know, throughout history, rats carry diseases.

Speaker 21 But they couldn't afford. the hospital.
They couldn't, they,

Speaker 21 it is,

Speaker 21 this is so difficult to even talk. I mean, it's unbelievable unbelievable that it still chokes me up.

Speaker 17 Mrs.

Speaker 5 Kenney and her neighbors tried desperately to have the public health nurse visit her home, but to no avail. The baby died.

Speaker 18 And then it was all over the front pages of the newspaper, but always written

Speaker 18 in terms of what this meant for the chances of Mrs. Kenney or whatever other woman was, you know, that the coverage was centered on.

Speaker 18 Every loss or tragedy or triumph was always put in terms of their chances in the race, you know,

Speaker 18 not in terms of what kind of a system do we have where someone's baby can die of rat bites in the first place.

Speaker 5 It's hard to say how many women had babies specifically for this race. When they talked to reporters, everyone always said the same thing.
I would have had this child anyway. I tend to believe Mrs.

Speaker 5 Bignato and many of the other Catholic families in the race. I don't think Mrs.
Bignato was ever playing the game.

Speaker 5 She'd been cranking out a baby a year long before she heard a word about the derby, so the whole contest was just an added bonus to her.

Speaker 5 But then there was Mrs. Kenny, who was obviously planning to win and said outright that she was trying to make babies.
And then you have Mrs. Clark.
Mrs. Clark's situation was the most unsettling.

Speaker 5 It came out that Mrs. Clark's lover had drawn up a contract with her where you could get half her winnings if he impregnated her enough.
Mrs. Clark's lover was also abusive.

Speaker 5 He'd given her a black eye, broke her door down, chased her out into the street after a fight. So maybe she didn't want to be pregnant as many times as she was.
Maybe she was forced to.

Speaker 5 Here's Elizabeth.

Speaker 18 We sort of wonder, was she basically abused? Was she taken advantage of?

Speaker 18 Because if you think about also the kind of power dynamic that Miller Miller set up between men and women and at that time, like if your partner or if your husband or your lover thought that if he got you pregnant over and over, that you might win millions of dollars.

Speaker 18 And she was a very young woman. And...

Speaker 5 So you were sort of insinuating that maybe these women might have been coerced or...

Speaker 18 You know, I mean,

Speaker 18 I don't know. I mean, I think it doesn't take a lot for someone to put together with this young woman and so many babies and

Speaker 18 with this huge prize.

Speaker 5 In 1933, it looked like Mrs. Bignado was going to win.
Then in 1934, headlines read that Mrs. Kenney had taken the lead.
In 1935, another woman, Mrs. Timlich, quote, sped to the front.

Speaker 5 In 1936, Madam X was listed as a late entry, tied for second. All the while, the physical toll for these mothers was enormous.
Mrs.

Speaker 5 Bignato suffered a hemorrhage near the end of her final pregnancy, and many of the Stork Derby mothers were in and out of the hospital for operations and transfusions.

Speaker 5 And all three mothers suffered the emotional toll of having stillborn babies during the race. Most of the women couldn't afford to have their children in hospitals.

Speaker 5 And so the infant mortality rate of the Derby babies was six times that of the national average. 34% of these babies died.

Speaker 5 But aside from an article or two, again, the press only saw these deaths in the context of the race. The headline in a 1936 Montreal paper was, Stillborn Infant May Assure Prize.

Speaker 5 Underneath, A Stillborn Child May Assure Mrs. Matthew Kenney the prize in the Stork Derby under the will of late Charles Vance Miller.
Her nearest competitor is believed to be Mrs. Joseph Bignato.

Speaker 5 The race ended on Halloween, 1936, but at first, it wasn't clear who'd won. Here's how our three competitors stood on that date.
Mrs. Kenney claimed to have had 11 children.
Mrs.

Speaker 5 Clark said she had 11 as well. Mrs.
Bignato had nine. But Mrs.
Kenney and Mrs. Clark didn't walk away with the prize that easily.
With Mrs.

Speaker 5 Clark, the scandalous one who had tied for the largest number of children, the lawyers in charge of the estate had some questions about her case and raised the question of whether children born out of wedlock should count.

Speaker 5 This is where it was clear that there had been a huge oversight. Nobody had actually set rules for this contest at its beginning.

Speaker 5 Remember, Miller explained this whole contest in two sentences in his will. So as the courts saw it, there were nuances that needed to be figured out.
Rules to be set.

Speaker 5 But of course, only after the fact of everything. after the babies had been born and the blood transfusions administered.
A massive multi-way court battle broke out.

Speaker 5 All of the contestants had to go to court to prove that they had the most children. Each woman had to lawyer up and go up against the lawyers for the executors of the estate.

Speaker 5 The fight went on for two years, and of course, now the rules would be determined in front of an audience.

Speaker 5 To figure out if her illegitimate children would count, Mrs. Clark and her lover's abusive sexual history was scrutinized on the stand.

Speaker 5 He recounted his physical violence with her, admitted to giving her a black eye and busting down the door to her house, and to the contract he drew up.

Speaker 5 When he mentioned the contract, the courtroom burst out into raucous, mocking laughter. And in fact, the lawyers regularly threw in crude jokes during the trial, soliciting giggles from the audience.

Speaker 5 In the end, it was decided that illegitimate children could not be counted within the derby, and so Mrs. Clark's number got knocked down to five.
She was out of the running.

Speaker 5 Then came Mrs. Kenney, the one who believed she was the winner and had carved statues of Miller.

Speaker 5 She'd also tied for 11, but apparently two of her children had not been properly registered, probably because Mrs. Kenney was too poor to deliver her children in hospitals.

Speaker 5 She'd had them at home instead. That brought her count down to nine children, but no big deal.
She was still in the running.

Speaker 5 Then the lawyers pointed out, three of her children had been stillborn. Quick warning, I'm about to talk about a lot of traumatic births.

Speaker 5 Until this point, everyone had assumed that stillboard children would count for the derby. Again, this hadn't been in the rules.
And after all, these women had carried these children to term.

Speaker 5 But now, at Mrs. Kenney's trial, lawyers for the executors of the estate started questioning that.
And so, Mrs.

Speaker 5 Kenney had to sit while a pack of lawyers argued around her about how legitimate her dead children were. They brought up doctors and had them give graphic descriptions of the stillbirths.

Speaker 5 If each baby breathed, if its heart ever beat. She had to relive relive the moments all over again.

Speaker 5 Mrs. Kenney cried throughout this and eventually ran from the courtroom.

Speaker 18 It was just all too much for her. And at one point, she left the courtroom just screaming that she was being treated like a dog.

Speaker 18 And,

Speaker 18 you know, there never was a sensitive portrait of this woman. It was all sort of caricature style.
So I think the coverage just

Speaker 18 continued in that way, you know.

Speaker 5 The newspaper report said she was shrieking, insinuated that she was drunk, and said,

Speaker 5 During the scuffle, Mrs. Kenney dealt at least half a dozen hard blows on the arms and bodies of the officers who showed great restraint in their tactics.

Speaker 5 In the end, it didn't help her case. The child born dead is not in truth a child, the judge wrote.
It was that which might have been a child. Her count was knocked down to six.
Mrs.

Speaker 5 Kenney was out of the running.

Speaker 5 Lastly, there was Mrs. Bignato, who again had nine children, but one was stillborn and another was unregistered.
Mrs. Bignato suggested that there was some conspiracy with this.

Speaker 5 She said she'd registered the child herself at the Parliament buildings. She was quoted as saying, if they can't find the record, it'll be just too bad for them up there.

Speaker 5 I will tear the parliament buildings apart before I give up. I'm supposed to be in the hospital now with another baby coming, coming, but I'll stay on my feet until I drop or this is cleared up.

Speaker 5 But her protestations didn't sway the judge, and she eventually did give up. After all, she did have a job and almost a dozen mouths to feed.

Speaker 5 At the end of two years, none of the three favorites wound up at the finish line. Four other women, with nine babies each, won.

Speaker 5 Each of these women walked away with what today would be about $2 million Canadian dollars, or $1.5 million US dollars.

Speaker 5 Most were latecomers who really only became candidates when the heavy hitters were eliminated. And these four women had something else in common.
Here's Elizabeth.

Speaker 18 I mean, the families that won were white Protestant families who were essentially middle class and who had homes that when the reporters went into them and described the homes, it was always, you know, the clean and tidy home and the well-kept this.

Speaker 18 And you know, the forerunners through the whole race were working class people and unemployed people, and they had varied ethnic backgrounds.

Speaker 5 Maybe it wasn't a coincidence that these women didn't win. Maybe they didn't win because they didn't have the means to navigate the system as elegantly.

Speaker 5 Or maybe the judge who decided the contest had his finger on the scale.

Speaker 5 In its last four years, the public's view of the contest had turned as people saw how it played out. It had encouraged the poorest women to have the most children.

Speaker 5 That set alarm bells off for a big group of people in what was a growing and popular movement at the time, eugenics.

Speaker 5 Teddy Roosevelt was into eugenics, Alexander Graham Bell, W.E.B. Du Bois, even Helen Keller.

Speaker 5 A refresher, eugenicists believe that in order to improve the human species, some people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. And yes, that's just as creepy as it sounds.

Speaker 5 At the end of the contest, they came forth in droves to say that the money shouldn't be given to any women. Here's Elizabeth.

Speaker 18 The social commentary was around, you know, who are these people and should they be

Speaker 18 reproducing? They're not Canadian-born, they're poor, they're not the right people.

Speaker 5 A minister, Reverend Claire Silcox, submitted written testimony against the participants as, quote, unspeakable women, and argued that these poor children would eventually reduce wages and lower the standard of living.

Speaker 5 An editor for a Canadian newspaper said that the contest attracted, quote, those whose progeny would be of little use to the state.

Speaker 5 Elizabeth and Karen believe that this environment influenced the judge, that he eliminated on technicalities all the contestants who had not made the right kinds of babies. Here's Karen.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I do believe that it was intentional. I mean, because they went to such lengths to discredit

Speaker 21 those that were the others, the French-Canadian Catholic, the woman with the illegitimate children, the Italian, you know,

Speaker 21 Catholic with an immigrant husband. It became a platform for them to send the message of,

Speaker 21 to use a modern phrase, stay in your lane, like the immigrants know their place. They were definitely trying to send a message.

Speaker 5 After the lawsuit took place, Mrs. Clark and Mrs.
Kenney both filed appeals and both received settlements settlements for the equivalent of $200,000 Canadian dollars each. Mrs.

Speaker 5 Bignato, the immigrant translator, walked away with nothing.

Speaker 23 Ladies and gentlemen, the Antipasta bar is now open.

Speaker 5 Last December, I shuffled around a table piled high with prosciutto and provolone. Santa came into the banquet hall and little kids ran past me to get their gifts from him.

Speaker 5 I was at the 89th annual Bignato holiday party. which, as you can imagine, is bigger than most holiday family gatherings.
Mrs.

Speaker 5 Bignato, remember, had 12 children, and they had children, who also had children, who by now have had children too. One of her great-granddaughters gives me a rough estimate.

Speaker 5 There are over 150 people now who are direct descendants of Grace.

Speaker 5 About 110 of the descendants and their families are in a reception hall, giving generous air kisses, then turning, screaming, oh my god, Uncle Paulie! Everybody, kitsy, kitsy, everybody.

Speaker 5 Among the attendees, many teachers, an agent for the cast of the young and the restless, a few writers, and a former mayor. So take that eugenicists.

Speaker 5 But talking to a bunch of the Bagnados, not that many of them know much about the derby. And those who do, don't seem to care.

Speaker 5 Does it make you mad that Grace didn't get any money?

Speaker 4 No!

Speaker 27 Life's not all about money. But no,

Speaker 27 I don't think so.

Speaker 27 From what I hear, she was just that amazing woman with a huge heart, and I don't think she would get angry. Her oldest daughter Mildred told me a story that might answer that question.

Speaker 27 You know her mother made a huge pot of sauce on the stove for Sunday dinner and she asked Mildred and one of the boys to put it out on the back porch to cool off.

Speaker 27 And when they went out to get it, it was gone and Mildred was very angry. And her mother said, but just think, Mildred, somebody's having such a wonderful dinner tonight.

Speaker 5 After the derby, Grace told the whole family that they weren't ever to talk about that dumb contest ever again. But she otherwise seemed unfazed.

Speaker 5 She continued having more kids, even took in an orphan from off the street. It's true that the chaos of the Stork Derby turned her into a laughingstock and rocked Toronto for over a decade.

Speaker 5 But a century later, it's mostly forgotten. Just a funny old tale from 100 years ago.

Speaker 5 Charles Vance Miller didn't have any children, and unless you preface it with, remember that crazy stork derby guy? Nobody remembers his name.

Speaker 5 But more than 100 people get together every year to share stories about Grace Bignato.

Speaker 5 There's more than one way to leave a legacy.

Speaker 9 Stephanie Fu.

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Speaker 14 The Long

Speaker 23 Fuse.

Speaker 2 We never really use sound effects on our show, and those are totally worth it.

Speaker 2 Anyway, today's show, The Long Fuse, is about people saying things that end up having consequences for years after we arrived at Act 3 of our show, Act 3, Meatball and Chain.

Speaker 2 This last story is about three little words uttered at 25 miles an hour during a sporting event and the years and years of feelings that those words unleashed. Jared Marcel tells what happened.

Speaker 23 Ian Dilley was 21 when this whole thing happened. He was competing in a big bike race, a national championship.
It was in Gainesville.

Speaker 23 Ian's from Austin, and when they got there, he saw that the roles were pretty flat, just like home. Plus, it was humid, but not too bad, just like home.

Speaker 23 So he was like, hey, have a good shot at this thing.

Speaker 23 When the race starts, everyone comes out blazing.

Speaker 8 Everybody...

Speaker 8 was racing really aggressively in that race. There was just a lot of attacks.

Speaker 8 There'd be a lead group of five riders and then it would become 10 and then 15 and 20 and then a group would come out of that of five riders and it was kind of like this amoeba that kept kind of like breaking up and coming back together.

Speaker 23 Ian wasn't considered one of the favorites but on this day, in this race, he was better than most. He kept attacking, taking a lead.
staying near the front the whole time.

Speaker 23 And then at one point, he realizes, oh man, I'm first.

Speaker 23 Now you'd think being in first place is a good thing, but for the majority of a bike race, competitors play hot potato with the top spot.

Speaker 23 Chances are if you stay in first early on for too long, you're probably going to lose. No, you're definitely going to lose.
Because the person in first takes on all the wind.

Speaker 23 In cycling, this is a big thing. The frontrunner basically works the hardest.

Speaker 8 And that makes the person that's pedaling behind them have to work a lot less hard. I mean, scientifically, it's like 30 to 50% less hard.

Speaker 23 That's why in bike races, you see bikers lined up behind the lead guy.

Speaker 8 I remember like bending my head over kind of as I was pedaling as hard as I could and looking behind me. And

Speaker 8 yeah, I just saw this kind of white and black checkered jersey coming across to me. And that was that was Mike.

Speaker 23 Mike Friedman.

Speaker 23 Ian knew who the favorites at this race were, and this Mike Friedman wasn't one of them.

Speaker 8 And so I I just sprinted as hard as I could. He would like claw his way back to me and I just couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 Like he seemed so done, but like he, he just,

Speaker 26 he was just really tenacious.

Speaker 8 Like he just kept coming back.

Speaker 23 Ian was worried now. If he kept the lead, blocking all the wind for Mike, he was going to get tired.
Mike might burst ahead. and win.

Speaker 23 So Ian was like, let him get in front for a bit.

Speaker 8 I started like coasting and then we were kind of just like coasting and he would look back and the group would be like getting closer to catching us.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 he said,

Speaker 8 you can win.

Speaker 4 You can win.

Speaker 23 Three words.

Speaker 8 I knew instantly like what it meant. He means if I stop attacking him and let him stay with me

Speaker 8 and let him sit in my draft, then when we get to the finish line, he won't sprint me. He'll let me win the bike race.

Speaker 23 Now in cycling, this type of gentleman's agreement happens all the time. Competitors will temporarily agree to a truce so they can conserve energy and stay ahead of the pack.
It's a strategy.

Speaker 23 Sometimes this happens at the end, which can end up deciding who wins. Like, hey, there's two of us here at the top.
I won't sprint on you if you take on the win resistance for me.

Speaker 23 We can beat everyone else.

Speaker 8 Ian went for it i just put my head down and went as hard as i could i mean i felt like i was just going so fast and we had um

Speaker 8 we had uh like a motorcycle like a motorcycle referee that would uh follow the race and they they come up and give you time splits on uh um

Speaker 8 they'll either just tell you or sometimes they'll have like a whiteboard that they'll write the gap between you and the chasers and so they kept coming up and it would be you know you have 20 seconds and then it was like 30 seconds and then 40 seconds and like the gap just kept going out and out and out.

Speaker 8 I mean, I remember with like one lap to go and just like feeling so happy like I'd already won the race.

Speaker 8 And then so we go around and then we're coming towards the finish line and we're getting ready to take a kind of the final left-hand turn to the finish.

Speaker 8 And I turned to him and I was like, Yeah, you remember our deal, right?

Speaker 8 And then Mike just started sprinting.

Speaker 8 And I just remember watching him come by on my left, and my legs started cramping as we went up that hill. And I was just like, I can't believe this is happening.

Speaker 8 It felt like this dream just all of a sudden kind of turned into a nightmare.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 I didn't win the bike race.

Speaker 23 Mike did.

Speaker 23 Mike won.

Speaker 8 Disbelief quickly turned to total rage. I was like so upset.
I remember riding up next to him and hitting him on the back and yelling something like, what the f?

Speaker 23 First place takes home a jersey with stars and stripes like Captain America.

Speaker 8 I've watched them put Mike's medal on and then they gave him a jersey.

Speaker 8 And then traditionally, like everybody

Speaker 8 raises their arms on the podium after the national anthem plays. And I was standing right next to Mike, and I didn't, I wouldn't hold his hand.
I didn't raise my arm.

Speaker 8 And that, that was like the photo of the race.

Speaker 23 Ian was not having it. He immediately told the reporter what happened.
He was like, Mike cheated. He cheated.

Speaker 8 His side of the story was that

Speaker 8 there was no deal, that I was just confused. Like, like, when he said, like, you can win this race,

Speaker 8 he was like, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 8 Like, what I was saying was,

Speaker 8 like, if we work together, if you stop attacking me, you can win. Stop attacking me.
Stop trying to get rid of me. You can win if you just keep pulling

Speaker 8 and don't let this group behind catch us.

Speaker 23 As if to say, hey man, you're doing well. If you keep it up, you might even win this thing.
I said you could win. Not that I'd let you win.

Speaker 23 And so, life goes on. Ian races professionally for a bit, but gets injured and becomes a journalist.
Of course, he covers cycling. Mike becomes an Olympian.

Speaker 23 The whole time, they're sort of circling each other's orbits, but avoiding crossing paths. And annoyingly, everyone in the racing world really likes Mike.

Speaker 8 He had this nickname as like Meatball and he had a blog and there was a lot of sort of like love for meatball and I was a little bit resentful about that.

Speaker 8 I was always thought like they don't know the real Mike.

Speaker 8 Like he's a cheater and he go he goes back on his word and like I would tell people or people would ask me about like what happened in that race and I'd be like well Mike's a a cheater and they'd just be like well it doesn't seem like something he would do you know and I'd be like no you don't know People would sort of look at me sideways when I was like, I hate Mike Friedman.

Speaker 26 They'd be like, nobody hates Mike Friedman.

Speaker 4 What are you talking about? It's like saying you hate Mr.

Speaker 23 Rogers, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 23 So as time passes, this race stays like a thorn in the inside.

Speaker 8 I realize like saying that sounds like a high school football player, like talking about competing in the state title game or whatever else.

Speaker 8 And then I totally get like how kind of like ridiculous and small that sounds as as an adult but it's it's weird it's just weird how like how you cling to those things then one day about 15 years later ian's covering a race in colorado near where mike lived he's on the tour bus hanging out and then one of the guys on the bus I was like, I'm going to give Mike a call and see if he'll come to the start line and hang out with us on the bus before we start.

Speaker 8 And Mike came onto the bus.

Speaker 8 We didn't even look at each other, and then he left. And then when he came back, I was standing outside the bus, and he had a tray of coffees, and he handed me one.
And

Speaker 26 I think he was just like, you know,

Speaker 8 I just want to talk to you about that day. I think about that race all the time.

Speaker 8 And I was like, man, me too.

Speaker 9 And I remember seeing his lower lip shaking, just shaking.

Speaker 23 And that is Mike Friedman.

Speaker 23 That day on the bus, Mike didn't fully fess up and apologize. For Mike, it's complicated.
Here's how he remembers those final moments of the race.

Speaker 9 And I wasn't even thinking. I was just, man, we made this left-hand turn, and the finish line is right, you know, within sight, you know, 250 meters.
And before I knew it, man, I was sprinting.

Speaker 9 Even going up to the line, I knew what I was doing. I was wrong, but I couldn't stop.

Speaker 23 Do you know why you did what you did or have a better understanding of why you did it?

Speaker 15 Well, I think

Speaker 9 I was 17 years old at the time.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 I just, yeah, I don't know. It's just, it's kind of one of those things that I don't have an answer.
You know, I try my best, but I don't always do my best kind of thing. It wasn't pre-planned.

Speaker 9 It wasn't done in a way to be nefarious. It wasn't, I'm going to tell this guy I'm going to do this in this sprint.
It wasn't done in that way. It wasn't done that way at all.

Speaker 23 That's it. You know,

Speaker 9 I mean, that's it.

Speaker 9 That's the only time I've ever cheated, ever,

Speaker 4 at a bicycle race, ever.

Speaker 23 He immediately regretted it.

Speaker 23 Did it change how you saw yourself as an athlete, as a competitor?

Speaker 9 It did change how I saw myself. You know, this is just.

Speaker 9 I don't have anything else like that that I can definitively say affected me the way that this had.

Speaker 9 That was the one thing that I knew, you know, like that I had done wrong.

Speaker 4 It ate at him.

Speaker 23 He didn't race for two years. Mike didn't even tell anyone for a really long time.
Fessing up that he cheated would mean that he was just that. A cheater.

Speaker 23 Not a kid who lost lost himself for a minute in a race i dude i didn't admit that this happened until like

Speaker 23 you know i was with someone that i wanted to marry you know and then there was one other person that i told why i was drunk and he's my best friend it never meant as much to anyone else as it did to him but he couldn't let it go he thought about it for years after his cycling career was done his life sort of tanked His marriage ended, hit bottom.

Speaker 23 He was living in a camper in his friend's land when he realized he wanted to reach out to Ian, that he missed his opportunity on the bus a year back. Here's Ian.

Speaker 8 He was moving back

Speaker 8 to Colorado. He was driving back and he called me.

Speaker 8 And that's when he said,

Speaker 8 yeah, I mean,

Speaker 8 you're right. It was a deal.
And I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 That I crossed the finish line first, that I didn't hold up my end of the bargain.

Speaker 23 Mike also wanted to give Ian the jersey, the Captain America one. He'd stuffed it deep in a drawer all these years.
So they agreed to meet up.

Speaker 8 He drives like this really

Speaker 8 revved up, like I think it's a Jeep or a pickup truck or something. And you could hear it rumbling down the street, like

Speaker 8 you could hear him pull up. And I mean, I was like kind of nervous.
And he came up and he was holding the jersey. And

Speaker 8 he gave it to me right away. He looked me in the eyes, and he said, Sorry, and I said, Thank you.

Speaker 8 Like, he had talked about, like, he had, I think he had even called, like, the governing body and asked them if there's any way that the actual results could be changed. And, like,

Speaker 8 yeah, he was just like every effort to make it right.

Speaker 8 I was just like, wow, like, when does that ever happen in someone's life?

Speaker 8 I mean, I don't even know when I've ever done that, you know, like

Speaker 8 just like

Speaker 8 made

Speaker 8 something that I did wrong right, like decades later.

Speaker 23 This event set off by a few words had just ballooned and ballooned in their heads for about 15 years.

Speaker 23 Even though, in the grand scheme of things, this race didn't matter.

Speaker 23 It's not like it was the reason Mike made it or the thing that ended Ian's career. And fixing it took something that's so simple:

Speaker 23 three words.

Speaker 4 You were right.

Speaker 2 Jared Marcel. He produces WNYC's local news podcast, NYC Now, new episodes every Saturday.
Ian Dilley, the racer who got cheated out of his victory, wrote about this in Bicycling Magazine.

Speaker 2 That's how we heard about the story. He has a book called The Cyclist Bucket List.
The other racer, Mike Friedman, now runs a nonprofit teaching kids about bikes called Pedaling Minds.

Speaker 2 Today's program is a rerun, and when we reached out to Mike, he said he regretted replying, I don't know, when Jared asked him why he did it. He said he does know why, and it was self-doubt.

Speaker 2 He wrote us in an email, quote, In the heat of the moment, I made a poor decision and paid for it with my character, honor, integrity, and self-respect. Today, as I write, I feel selfish.

Speaker 2 My apologizing to him when I did, so long after, is inherently a selfish act. But the only way to truly free my heart was to admit it.
He said apologies are powerful and they do matter.

Speaker 2 Oh, baby, tell me how long

Speaker 2 do I have to wait for you, honey?

Speaker 2 before I can say that you're coming?

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Speaker 2 You know, I called him earlier today, and when I called him, I don't know. He was exercising in the middle of his sprint intervals.

Speaker 25 I mean,

Speaker 5 I can't really, like,

Speaker 25 I mean, man, the timing of this.

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