Biopiracy

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Speaker 17 This is a story about the biodiversity equivalent of a music streaming library.

Speaker 4 Benji Jones, our biodiversity reporter.

Speaker 17 So a few decades ago, if you were a scientist and you wanted to research something like a plant or an animal or a microbe, you usually would need a physical sample of that thing.

Speaker 17 So someone who does research on snakes, say, would travel to places like Australia or Brazil to collect snake samples so they could then study them.

Speaker 15 The scientific equivalent of going to the store and buying a physical C D

Speaker 17 but then scientists got really good at something called genetic sequencing.

Speaker 4 Genetic sequencing is when you take a plant or an animal or a fungus, whatever, and you extract its genetic information.

Speaker 20 So you boil down a snake, for example, into the string of A's and C's and G's and T's that make up its genetic code.

Speaker 14 These letters that make it its snakey self.

Speaker 19 And then that genetic code is a really useful tool for scientists who are doing research.

Speaker 20 It's not like a total replacement for a physical sample, but you can learn a lot from it.

Speaker 17 And unlike a physical sample, you can actually upload it online and then share it with a bunch of people because it's just a ton of letters in a sequence.

Speaker 16 People started creating libraries of these genetic codes, these searchable databases.

Speaker 17 And so you have researchers who are traveling all around the world collecting sponges and snakes and birds

Speaker 17 and insects.

Speaker 17 And they'll sequence their genetic codes and then upload that information into these libraries of genes

Speaker 17 along with like smaller things like fungi and bacteria and whatever.

Speaker 17 So what that means is that all of this DNA of so many creatures around the world is just online in databases and free to access for really anyone.

Speaker 4 And that's why Benji was saying it's like a music streaming library, right?

Speaker 7 Because people can basically search through and download all this genetic information at will.

Speaker 17 And just like music streaming libraries change the game in music, these open access genetic libraries are changing the game in science as well.

Speaker 17 And in some ways, that changes for the better, but in other ways, it could actually be making things way more complicated.

Speaker 6 So, this is Unexplainable. I'm Bird Pinkerton, and today,

Speaker 4 Benji tells us how these genetic libraries are changing science and why they're raising some uncomfortable and difficult-to-answer questions.

Speaker 14 So first of all, why is it so useful to be able to download a bunch of genetic information at will, right?

Speaker 7 Like, why does this change the game at all?

Speaker 13 When I dug into the ways that these libraries are changing science, I actually got a little overwhelmed.

Speaker 7 Because conservationists are using them to come up with new ways to keep tabs on ecosystems. Microbiologists are using them to explore what seems to be like a new branch on the tree of life.

Speaker 10 There is a lot out there.

Speaker 8 And so to really showcase how helpful these libraries can be, Benji focused in on one concrete example.

Speaker 17 Yeah. So I'd heard that these genetic libraries apparently had helped like really fuel the development of COVID vaccines.
And I wanted to learn how.

Speaker 17 So I reached out to a microbiologist named Deborah Fuller.

Speaker 23 My research is mostly focused on vaccines and antivirals for infectious diseases.

Speaker 17 She looked exactly like Madonna, which is neither here nor there, but that is a detail I felt compelled to share.

Speaker 17 So Deborah took me back to the beginning of the pandemic, which obviously was a horrible time. And this is when the disease we would eventually call COVID was starting to spread.

Speaker 23 When a new outbreak of a pandemic comes, we don't really quite know what is it.

Speaker 17 Today, it's obvious that COVID is a coronavirus. But in the beginning, scientists needed to figure out questions like: is this thing an influenza? Is it a type of coronavirus?

Speaker 17 Or is it something totally different? And this is the first place, Deb told me, that a genetic library can come in really handy.

Speaker 17 And that's because it gave researchers easy access to all the genetic information for lots and lots and lots of coronaviruses and flu viruses.

Speaker 17 So they could basically take this new pathogen and compare it to other pathogens in the database to see what it looked most like and come to find.

Speaker 23 Oh, it's a coronavirus.

Speaker 15 Once scientists figured out what kind of virus was sweeping the globe, they could then try and develop a vaccine against that virus.

Speaker 14 And so you might remember that the COVID vaccine was developed really quickly.

Speaker 4 There were a lot of reasons for that, but genetic libraries played a role here.

Speaker 7 In the patent that Moderna filed for the vaccine, they said that they drew on the genetic information of nearly 200 different respiratory viruses to develop their final product here.

Speaker 17 And that's the kind of thing that you can do when lots of respiratory viruses have already been uploaded to databases that are easily searchable.

Speaker 4 And after a vaccine was developed, genetic libraries helped kind of keep tabs on the virus over time.

Speaker 17 Viruses famously evolve very quickly, and again, these databases are essential because they help scientists track how exactly a virus is changing.

Speaker 23 Oh, here's a new variant.

Speaker 17 Let's update the vaccine for Omicron.

Speaker 23 Go back and get your booster. Oh, here's a new variant.

Speaker 10 We need to make another updated vaccine.

Speaker 15 And beyond just sort of individual COVID vaccines, these genetic libraries are also being used for more ambitious vaccine projects.

Speaker 10 These projects to develop universal vaccines for stuff like coronavirus, but also the flu.

Speaker 17 So they're basically going into these databases. They're analyzing lots and lots of different examples of something like a flu virus to see what all those sequences have in common.

Speaker 17 Like when you take away all the mutations and the variations, what makes this virus a virus?

Speaker 17 And can we train our bodies to recognize not just one very specific version of this virus, like the Omicron variant in the case of COVID or the Delta variant, but like every version of it so that just getting one vaccine would prevent you from getting infected by anything that falls under the umbrella of COVID or the flu.

Speaker 16 This is the power of having lots and lots and lots of examples of different viruses just a few clicks away.

Speaker 17 Like it really is incredible. It's changed both like what we can know and also how quickly we can do science.

Speaker 13 And again, it's not just viruses, right?

Speaker 7 There are researchers all over the world drawing on these genetic libraries, making comparisons, studying DNA and RNA, and developing things to hopefully help people.

Speaker 17 Medicines, for example, anti-cancer treatments, beer brewing, cosmetics, better crops, and livestock.

Speaker 17 Like we can actually identify traits such as drought resistance in these libraries and use that to breed more drought-tolerant crops.

Speaker 9 There's just an explosion of all kinds of both basic research and research with practical applications.

Speaker 17 So really these sequences are just a part of our everyday life for

Speaker 17 everybody.

Speaker 17 Researchers estimate that at least two-thirds of cancer drugs in use today are rooted in natural organisms.

Speaker 17 Like, that is a huge number, and it plays into this idea that's pretty common in biodiversity circles, which is that the cure for cancer is potentially hiding in the Amazon rainforest.

Speaker 17 And that's because places like the Amazon just have an incredible biodiversity that we have barely even studied.

Speaker 17 And I don't know, maybe some plant there defends itself in a way that we could learn from, or some microbe secretes a substance that we could use to find a cure.

Speaker 14 All of which is very, very exciting.

Speaker 4 But there is a catch.

Speaker 17 And I will tell you more about that after the break.

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Speaker 13 So, before the break, we were talking about how these genetic libraries could help researchers make really incredible discoveries.

Speaker 7 Basically, they are libraries, but also treasure chests, kind of brimming over with potential scientific gems.

Speaker 13 And while that sounds amazing, there is a bit of a problem here.

Speaker 17 Yeah, okay. So, if you think about it, the more stuff that you have in these libraries, the better they are, right?

Speaker 17 The more examples of snakes and birds and viruses and mushrooms and mold, whatever else you have to work from, the more likely it is that you'll have an organism that might be able to help you make some kind of discovery.

Speaker 17 Like these libraries benefit from an abundance of biodiversity, of sequences. The problem is that some countries have more biodiversity than others.

Speaker 13 Some countries just have richer ecosystems, like rainforests, for example, that just have more diversity of life to offer.

Speaker 20 Unfortunately, those countries are not always as rich in money as they are in biodiversity.

Speaker 10 So there are some rich countries out there that have lots of biodiversity.

Speaker 20 That's great. But there are also countries that have lots of biodiversity, but don't have as many big companies doing pharma research, say.

Speaker 19 And that means that those countries aren't necessarily going to reap the rewards from this genetic treasure chest of data as much, right?

Speaker 20 They're not going to benefit as much from the various gems that get pulled out by foreign foreign scientists.

Speaker 17 So, if we stick with the Amazon example I gave you before, there's a world where the DNA that unlocks a wonder drug comes from the Amazon, but the people who actually live in certain regions of the Amazon don't get to profit off of that drug or even have easy access to it.

Speaker 20 This is not a new problem.

Speaker 17 In fact, before you had widespread use of big digital databases of DNA, people were already wrestling with something called biopiracy.

Speaker 19 Biopiracy.

Speaker 17 So essentially what that is, is when you have corporations or scientists from wealthier parts of the world, so often in North America, Europe, going to poor countries, often in the global south, so below the equator, Central Africa, South America, and taking samples of wildlife, of plants, and then turning them into commercial products, often patenting those products, and then making a lot of money from them and not sharing those benefits, so that money, the access to those drugs, back with the communities that those genetic resources, as they're called, come from initially.

Speaker 14 There are examples of this happening across the last century or so, like Pirare.

Speaker 10 It is this group of toxins that is extracted from plants in the Amazon region.

Speaker 20 And these toxins can cause paralysis.

Speaker 17 Indigenous groups in the Amazon would boil these plants. It would release the toxins into liquid, and then they'd use that liquid to actually like arm poison darts.

Speaker 7 Eventually, some U.S.

Speaker 14 companies realized that these toxins could be useful in medicine and surgery, that they could, for example, cause a temporary localized paralysis.

Speaker 6 And so one company developed a muscle relaxant as a result.

Speaker 7 which means they went in and kind of benefited from this indigenous knowledge.

Speaker 17 And that's why something like this is called biopiracy. It's people coming in and pirating ideas or knowledge or resources.

Speaker 17 And it's actually such a known problem that in the 1990s and then again in the 2010s, the UN actually tried to fix it.

Speaker 19 They came up with a system where if a researcher from one country wants to take some biodiversity from another country, they should, at least theoretically, find a way to share the benefits of their research.

Speaker 17 So if you are a company that wants to extract plants from, I don't know, South Africa or Colombia, you might have to then sign an agreement with the government of that country that stipulates that you have to give something in return.

Speaker 16 That could be a share of the profits from whatever you develop, but it could also be access to whatever you develop, if it's a drug, say, or it could be helping people in the country that the biodiversity comes from build labs so they can do their own research.

Speaker 17 But the key here is that countries are allowed to regulate access to their own resources, essentially.

Speaker 19 Benji told me that even before all these genetic libraries, this system already had flaws.

Speaker 20 He could not find a lot of great examples of this kind of benefit sharing actually happening in the real world.

Speaker 20 But now, with genetic libraries, the system has an even more fundamental problem, right?

Speaker 20 Because it assumes this world where if someone wants to get DNA from an Amazonian microbe, they probably have to go to the Amazon to get that microbe or have some microbes sent to them.

Speaker 17 Now we also have this digital option where you have all this DNA and these databases that anyone can access.

Speaker 17 And so you can literally just get on your computer, type in a few things, and then harvest all this incredible biodiversity data, like the data of life on Earth, without ever leaving home, without having to cross borders or customs checkpoints.

Speaker 17 And it is really just throwing this whole system of benefit sharing for a loop.

Speaker 7 And even if you wanted to make some kind of benefit sharing arrangement for every single genetic sequence you use from one of these libraries, Benji says it could be kind of hard to do that accounting.

Speaker 17 It's not just thinking about how many sequences go into something. It's also thinking about what value or role do each of those sequences serve.

Speaker 17 So when you're trying to share benefits kind of equally based on where the sequences are coming from, like you did with the physical samples before, like we were talking about, it gets really complicated really quickly.

Speaker 13 Which means that we're stuck with the conundrum, right?

Speaker 7 On the one hand, we don't want to repeat this history of rich countries going in and pirating the knowledge and resources of other countries. We'd like to make that situation more fair.

Speaker 11 But on the other hand, these libraries of genetic information, these very useful tools that could help us in a lot of ways, they've made the process of trying to make everything more fair pretty complicated.

Speaker 9 So,

Speaker 22 what do we do here?

Speaker 17 Yeah, so

Speaker 17 this is a question that a lot of very smart people have been trying to answer over the last several years, I guess.

Speaker 7 And in October, the UN had a big meeting to try and hammer out an agreement on what to do about these genetic libraries.

Speaker 13 This thing called COP16.

Speaker 17 It's a big biodiversity conference under the United Nations. It's basically like the Paris Agreement, but for nature, if that means anything.

Speaker 15 If it doesn't mean anything, you can think of this basically as a bunch of representatives from countries all around the world, all gathering in one place to talk about big biodiversity and environmental issues.

Speaker 7 So Benji ended up going down to Colombia to cover it.

Speaker 17 And I would say the most important item on the agenda that all these government leaders are trying to hammer out is what do we do about these giant DNA databases?

Speaker 4 This conference lasted for days and so Benji was wandering around talking to people and he was hearing from scientists who didn't want to lose access to these libraries because it would affect their research.

Speaker 4 He was also talking to representatives from developing countries that are home to some of the biodiversity that makes these libraries so rich.

Speaker 17 They're arguing for things like we want more accountability in these databases.

Speaker 17 We want to make sure that it's clear who's using the genetic sequence information and that we benefit benefit in some way from that use.

Speaker 4 But questions like who exactly should benefit or how that would even be enforced, that's what representatives from countries all around the world were negotiating at this conference.

Speaker 17 And on the last day when the countries were finalizing all their decisions under this conference, they met in an open venue.

Speaker 30 Okay, so we have done a lot, but today is the definite moment.

Speaker 17 So Susanna Muhammad, Colombia's environmental minister, who's the president of this COP event, was sitting in front of this big room full of delegates from different countries.

Speaker 30 Distinguished delegates, we have reached the last day of our meetings and only have a few hours remaining to conclude our negotiations.

Speaker 4 But even after all the negotiating that had already happened, there were still a bunch of unresolved issues.

Speaker 17 And people from different countries would voice various objections.

Speaker 17 Because this is something Argentina won't be able to accept. They'd haggle over clauses of sentences, and the discussions went on and on for literally hours.

Speaker 31 Thank you, Madam President.

Speaker 31 Parties have come a long way towards operation.

Speaker 31 Can't say the word, it's too late in the day.

Speaker 17 People were getting very loopy, they hadn't slept.

Speaker 17 And finally, really early in the morning after working all night, it seems like they have a compromise.

Speaker 30 As I don't see a party asking for the floor, so it is out.

Speaker 17 I mean, you can you can literally hear her giggling in relief. Like, everyone seems really happy and mostly just like relieved at this point.

Speaker 19 So, what

Speaker 22 do they agree? Like, what's the agreement?

Speaker 17 So, the agreement basically says that if you are a large company in a sector that uses genetic sequences, so uses sequences of DNA and of RNA, then you should pay into a fund.

Speaker 20 In this model, big companies that rely on this digital genetic information, they wouldn't like pay a dollar every time they download some microbes DNA, right?

Speaker 20 They wouldn't have to look up where did this DNA come from and then pay the country directly.

Speaker 19 Instead, they would pay a small percentage of their profits or their revenue into this big fund.

Speaker 17 And the reason why this is the kind of final agreement is that it's just much simpler.

Speaker 17 It doesn't take as much time, planning, energy to create a system to track individual products on the market to the actual sequences in a database.

Speaker 7 So the money goes into the fund.

Speaker 17 And this fund will then go towards conserving biodiversity in countries around the world, but especially in poor countries that have a lot of biodiversity.

Speaker 17 So think of Central Africa, parts of South America, America, Southeast Asia, and also a large portion of that money contributed by those companies that use these sequences will go towards indigenous communities.

Speaker 22 So, basically, after a lot of debate, the answer that these countries could agree on for the question of how do we make these genetic libraries fair was make big companies pay some money and then give that money back to different countries and communities that are stewards of a lot of biodiversity.

Speaker 20 Is this a perfect answer?

Speaker 17 No.

Speaker 17 Like, first of all, this is very new. A lot of companies are still just like processing what this looks like, how they're going to play ball, whether they're going to play ball.
The U.S.

Speaker 17 is not a member of the UN convention under which this new agreement falls. So the U.S.
isn't really involved in any of this in a formal way.

Speaker 13 That matters because there are some big pharma and cosmetic and agriculture companies in the United States.

Speaker 17 This agreement is also not legally binding at all?

Speaker 20 It's more of a good faith hope that companies will play along.

Speaker 17 And then at the end, like there's still some country advocates that told me that they still have issues with how this shaped up. They described this as just another version of biopiracy.

Speaker 17 By having this kind of blanket system where you have companies sort of voluntarily paying in, it doesn't do enough to ensure that countries have control over their sovereign resources, over the sequences that come from their plants and animals.

Speaker 14 All that being said, Benji does see potential for something really good to come out of this agreement.

Speaker 17 We still haven't resolved all the questions that these libraries of the world's diversity raise,

Speaker 17 but I also think that it's an important acknowledgement of the value of nature.

Speaker 17 Like, we have been relying on plants and animals and microbes and their DNA for decades, for centuries, and they make our lives better.

Speaker 17 So, we have medicines, we have better foods that can survive climate change. Like, so many benefits come from nature.

Speaker 17 And this fund acknowledges those benefits and then tries to give some money back to protecting them.

Speaker 17 And I think that, like, right now, most money for conservation, most money for protecting forests, for protecting plants and animals comes from public government spending.

Speaker 17 There is a massive deficit when you look at what needs to be done to conserve nature. There's a $700 billion at least gap in funding for conservation.

Speaker 17 Governments are going to have to pony up a lot more money, but there's pretty broad consensus among environmental leaders that the corporate sector, the private sector is also going to need to pay for some of this.

Speaker 17 How do you get the corporate sector to do something? This is one of those ways.

Speaker 17 And so I think that like this is a turning point in thinking through how do we drive more money into the environment, into the environmental movement. That ultimately is a big win for nature.

Speaker 10 That was Benji Jones, Vox's biodiversity reporter.

Speaker 20 If you want to read more about digital sequences and genetic libraries and the debates around them, I really recommend his piece on our site, and we will link that in the transcript.

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