Gary Neville on EPL Matchday 1, and USMNT Players Performance Abroad

Speaker 1 My first ever World Cup match was actually the USA versus Columbia in the Rose Bowl in the 1994 World Cup.

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Speaker 1 And I remember after half an hour, I had to go back outside to the concourse to have an ice cream because I was that warm.

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All right, Timmy, let's jump straight in. US LNT on USMNT.

Speaker 4 Look ahead to what's going to be a crucial season for so many players. And it feels like so many of these guys now have gone from MLS to Europe, particularly to the championship.
And I think

Speaker 4 we're trying to figure out who is going to take hold of their club team and put themselves on Mauricio Pochitino's roster.

Speaker 4 Now, we have the obvious guys and some of the guys who scored this weekend, Christian scored again,

Speaker 4 which was great for him. And he had been nursing an ankle injury, I think, and he was back and scoring.
But a lot of these guys, I would say, are firmly on the bubble.

Speaker 4 And so I guess my question is,

Speaker 4 which of these guys do you think can really push forward by having a good year? And let's talk about the championship specifically for a minute in the championship.

Speaker 4 And my second question, we'll get deeper into this, is

Speaker 4 why are so many guys going to the championship? And how do you think Mauricio

Speaker 4 rates the championship? Because Sargent hasn't been called in. Aiden Morris, who has gone to Middlesbrough and done a really good job, they win every week.
All he does is play and win.

Speaker 4 I guess we need to try to figure out in his mind how he views that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the sergeant thing is interesting. Scores goals.
Just keeps scoreing. He's a good championship.
He's a really, really good level. He didn't get called in last year.

Speaker 2 I suspect unless something changes, even if he has a great season, maybe he's not pauch as cup of tea. I don't know that for a fact.

Speaker 2 I personally, given where we are, you know this, given where we are on the front line, like goals are

Speaker 2 at a premium. I would bring a guy in who's scoring.
So I'm not sure about that. I mean, Ajamang,

Speaker 2 obviously, he needs to have himself a good season because he put himself in the shop window. And,

Speaker 2 you know, again, you and I have had this discussion, which is probably right. Like, if he carried on scoring goals at Charlotte, he's on the plane.
And

Speaker 2 if he goes over and doesn't do the business. So

Speaker 2 it's a tough one. You know, I genuinely think Potch rates the championship.
He's been in. He's been in England long enough to know that that's a good level.

Speaker 4 Or does he look down on it because he was in England? Is he like, you know, maybe he had some looks at players from the championship? And I'm like, eh, not good enough.

Speaker 2 Right. But I think he's also balanced.
Now that he's the coach of the U.S. team, he's also balancing a top European league, the championship, and MLS.
Like, that's where his players are coming from.

Speaker 2 So I think he probably says, like, look,

Speaker 2 you're there thereabouts if you're playing in the MLS or the championship.

Speaker 2 I don't think he looks down on that. So as long as you're playing,

Speaker 2 I think he's...

Speaker 4 But Josh Sharson is playing in Spark.

Speaker 2 That's why I'm saying there's something, there must be something else there because the guy scores goals.

Speaker 4 And Aiden Morris is another one. He's been playing and playing well and winning.

Speaker 4 And so I'm just trying to figure out, how do you, I'm curious from your perspective, actually, because you spent way more time in England than I did. How do you view MLS versus the championship?

Speaker 4 If you meshed the leagues together,

Speaker 4 and there were 40, whatever, four teams. No, 54 teams.

Speaker 4 Would MLS teams finish higher higher on average than championship teams?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I think it's a comparable level. I do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's the top championship clubs who are pushing for promotion, probably better than MLS club.

Speaker 2 A bottom side

Speaker 2 championship club that plays in front of 15,000 people and

Speaker 2 is a yo-yo team from League One. Yeah.
I think MLS. So, yeah, it's a decent measuring stick.
I mean,

Speaker 2 I think one thing that is that I kind of scratch my head is is like when the generation before you and I, right, there were like a couple of guys who went, who went abroad to England to the Premier League.

Speaker 2 And, and it was like they were, they were

Speaker 2 the trailblazers for us, right? And then you get our generation, we all played in the Premier League.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 my thought was that is just going to keep climbing. Yeah.
That's gone down. It hasn't.
And, and, and so, and so I, I scratched my head a little bit.

Speaker 2 Now, that, now, saying that, Christian Pulisic is a, is a Premier League player. Weston McKinney's a Premier League player.
Timothy Wea complained in the Premier League.

Speaker 2 Gio Rain had a sniff in the Premier League, whether it worked out or not.

Speaker 2 Obviously, Tyler plays every week.

Speaker 2 Chris Richards plays every week. Anthony Robinson plays every week.
So there's a few. And in fairness to this group,

Speaker 2 a bunch of them have gone to Italy, which really was only Gucci

Speaker 2 in our group, right? So

Speaker 2 we didn't have five or six players in Italy.

Speaker 2 And then the rest of our top players played at German clubs in the Bundesliga. So it feels as if we had, there was more Premier League presence.

Speaker 2 But there are Premier League Caliber players in this generation.

Speaker 2 They're just not there at the moment.

Speaker 4 Right. They've been playing at other clubs.

Speaker 4 Any players that you feel like, I guess, concerned about right now heading into this year? And I have a couple, but I'm just like, I am concerned about Ajamong. Yep.

Speaker 4 And I think he's...

Speaker 4 fantastic and he's he's now building an amazing life for himself.

Speaker 4 But I do wonder, man, if it doesn't go well, if he doesn't play, what happens?

Speaker 4 Right? Or anyone else that falls in that mold?

Speaker 2 Well, I don't mean to paint this with a broad stroke brush, but

Speaker 2 you and I and anyone else who knows soccer has been beating the drum that like

Speaker 2 when the Gold Cup is over, there's like 10 to 13 games that you're going to get an opportunity to get evaluated, right?

Speaker 2 So I'm a little bit curious.

Speaker 2 So I'm worried for everyone. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 No, here's what I mean. If,

Speaker 2 like let's say you start this season in europe right in the championship or wherever and you're not playing let's say you don't get selected for the first one or two games the national team games september right well for your club team right so oh right right so so then so now so now i'm thinking does pot say

Speaker 2 you haven't had a long preseason you haven't played the first couple games i'm gonna leave you out in september like is that his thinking because if that's his thinking minus one, minus two, those games are gone, right?

Speaker 2 So now, so now you got to break into your club team, hopefully get called into the October games, right? So

Speaker 2 like the hourglass has been flipped and the sand is just trickling at a rapid pace. And so I worry for all these guys who aren't literally

Speaker 2 bang on the team sheet every week where they're saying, I'm going to get an opportunity to perform because I'm basically playing every week and I'm important to my team.

Speaker 2 I'm definitely going to get an opportunity with the national team. Outside of that, I worry for you.
I worry for you because

Speaker 2 if Pachatino takes a stance, which we don't know, we'll see with his selection in the upcoming friendlies. If he's like, well,

Speaker 2 you've been slowed out of the gate. I can't call you into this game.
Okay, he set standard now. So now you're thinking, you pretty much have to be perfect.

Speaker 2 Perfect in terms of minutes logged over the next 12 months. So I worry for all of them.
I do.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, like, Brendan Aronson's another one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 4 He's now he's in the Premier League great. That's exciting.
Whatever. He got.

Speaker 4 Did he play yesterday? Yeah, he had some time yesterday.

Speaker 4 But yeah, you just, you start to wonder, like, if, if it, if you become just a guy off the bench for 20 minutes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, that's the thing, right? So he, so he's playing, again, this goes back to our conversation. He's playing in the championship, right? Not this year, last year.
Gets called in the Gold Cup squad.

Speaker 2 He's a squad player for that team.

Speaker 2 His team now goes into the Premier League. Right.

Speaker 2 If he logs less minutes and he was already on

Speaker 2 the cusp,

Speaker 2 now... Now, where does that like being in the Premier League doesn't mean then now you're going to be on the World Cup squad? So it's an interesting one.

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Speaker 4 Number one guy, I think, for me, Tim, at a crossroads this season, and we haven't talked about him yet, is Gio.

Speaker 4 We haven't talked about him in a while. He's been off the radar.
It looks like he's going to land at Parma.

Speaker 4 My struggle right now is why has this taken so long? I understand things take time, contracts, all that. This should have been done a month ago, six weeks ago, so that he had a preseason with Parma.

Speaker 4 Who knows what shape he's in? Hopefully he's stayed fit and can go in there if that is the place he goes and can hit the ground running.

Speaker 4 But for me, he is absolutely at a crossroads right now, and he needs to get in the team. and play and play regularly if he has any chance.
I don't know. Maybe Pochatino's moved on.
We don't know.

Speaker 4 He might have just said, I'm done with him.

Speaker 2 Maybe, but I do think the crossroads is an interesting one because he is there and he's the one player, even if, let's say, which I don't know if he has, if Poch has moved on from Gio Reyna, Gio Reina has the type ability where if he tears it up

Speaker 2 at Parm, if it is Parm, if he tears it up,

Speaker 2 he's right in your face. I mean, he's such a talented player.

Speaker 2 It's hard not to

Speaker 2 take him on the squad. So interesting one to watch.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 All right, let's move on to MLS.

Speaker 4 MLS is in full force right now, middle of the season, but we now have Leagues Cup Wednesday night.

Speaker 4 Very interesting matchups. So, Miami versus Tigris.
It's important to remember: all these games are at the home field of MLS teams: Toluca, Orlando City, that'll be in Orlando, obviously.

Speaker 4 Sounders versus Puebla, that will be in Seattle. And then the Galaxy versus Pachuca.
It's amazing that the Galaxy are still alive in this competition.

Speaker 2 Your squad, bro. You guys got the cheat code.
It's like a video game.

Speaker 4 It's amazing. They're like the Spurs, Tottenham's Hot Spurs from last year.

Speaker 4 All right, so Miami-Tigris to me feels like the marquee matchup.

Speaker 4 Tigris is a historic club, an iconic club in Mexico, and it's going to be so fun.

Speaker 4 This assist from Messi.

Speaker 4 Like, if you haven't watched it, go watch it. I feel like we say this every week.
I'm like, go YouTube, what Messi did this week. This guy, dude,

Speaker 4 it's on his right foot. He's got his back to goal.
Suarez is running across the back of him.

Speaker 4 And as the ball gets played into him, he just like cushions it and flicks flicks it with with the inside of his right foot behind his left leg which would be hard for someone who's right footed

Speaker 4 probably impossible for someone who's right footed but he's so dominantly left-footed and when you first watch it you go oh he didn't mean to do that and then you watch it again and you're like he absolutely meant to do that absolutely this guy's a joke dude i there were some times tim where a ball would come into me as a forward and i knew someone was running behind me and like they were running let's say from my right to my left behind me one of my striker or attackers.

Speaker 4 And I would try to like flick it around the corner or something. And like one out of 15 would come off and like Bruce would yell at me, what the hell are you doing? Keep the ball, you know?

Speaker 4 But this guy does it in a game into Swara. It's insane, man.

Speaker 2 It's special. I saw it and I just saw it special.

Speaker 2 Like you, you, I find myself, and I probably said this on the podcast before, I find myself laughing at him when I watch the game because you're like, well, yeah, we all saw it, but it's impossible for you to have seen it.

Speaker 2 And then bang, he just pulls something off. You're like, this is so stupid.
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 4 Orlando Toluca. I expect, I mean, Orlando are playing really well right now.
I expect Orlando actually to win there. It's hard to imagine.
Sounders, they're in a good run of form.

Speaker 4 They smashed Cruz ASUL in the group stage. They won all three matches.
So I think they beat Puebla.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, random anecdote, you know, when we're looking at this and we're talking about the matchups, and obviously they're at the home of the, of, of the MLS club. I was.

Speaker 2 And I've just come this weekend from England in the Premier League games, and they were incredible atmospheres. And I thought, I'd I'd love to be at that Seattle game.
They just put on,

Speaker 2 they put on such a show in Seattle. The Sounders fans, forever and always, have just been incredible.
I mean, it's such an incredible atmosphere and place to play.

Speaker 2 Yeah, on nights like this, they win. They win a lot of games.
They understand big moments.

Speaker 4 It's a cool place. It's fun when you walk out at

Speaker 4 whatever it's called now at the Sounder Stadium. The walkout's so cool.
And it feels like ceremonial. Yeah.
You know, like it feels like you're going going to the Coliseum and it's so rad.

Speaker 4 They do such a great job. Galaxy Pachuca, man, I have no idea what to do.
I think they've given up seven goals in their last two league games. The Galaxy have.

Speaker 2 What's going on here?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I mean, we don't need to dive into that.

Speaker 2 No, I don't want to dive in here.

Speaker 4 But it'll be interesting to see if they can get through that. And

Speaker 4 I think they have a good chance. I mean, they're playing at home.
They're a better team than Pachuca. They really are overall.

Speaker 2 And so I think they have a good chance.

Speaker 4 We will be following that. And, of course, follow up with the semis and finals as they come.
All right, let's take a break. When we come back, we have

Speaker 4 good guests these days, man.

Speaker 4 We have a former teammate of yours, a former Manchester United legend and superstar, current prim

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Speaker 2 Tim, have you gone quiet or

Speaker 1 am I not hearing you?

Speaker 2 Yo, we're on. We're on.

Speaker 2 Listen, welcome back.

Speaker 1 He's supposed to ask me questions, guys. He's the podcast.

Speaker 2 Listen, this is this is how it goes with gary neville he is our star guest a man who has won everything premier league champions league fa cup there's more things than we can even name um he is now the lead everything for sky sports over in the uk and he is a friend of ours and a friend of the show so gary welcome great to be here hi both you're both good amazing great thanks carry great good good guys uh i want to jump in obviously with manchester united i read a a piece that you did, I think, today, and we're in agreeance.

Speaker 2 I watched the game. We were both there at Old Trafford on Sunday, and I just thought, it's not perfect, but boy, this is much, much better.
This is much better on so many levels.

Speaker 2 And I thought Manchester United on the day were good. And in all the lead major statistical categories, they dominated.
Now, I know. I know.
People are going to say not the one that counts. I get it.

Speaker 2 But they were so far away for so long that currently you feel really good about this Manchester United team.

Speaker 1 Joe something

Speaker 1 a week ago I had them in sort of sixth to eighth and that might still happen. They could even finish low but I felt like I was watching a team on Sunday

Speaker 1 that can do better than that. And the reason I think that is I don't think they can I don't think they can stop Arsenal, Liverpool and City finishing above them.

Speaker 1 But when I look at Chelsea being in Europe and the fact they're in the World Club Championship, Aston Villa and Newcastle at this moment in time have got challenges.

Speaker 1 Tottenham, I don't think, have sort of proven themselves.

Speaker 1 I don't think they're better than Manchester United, totnam so i feel they've got a real chance and i have to say that was the best performance i've seen against a top three team for a long time on sunday look the bars

Speaker 1 the bar's been set at an incredibly low place over the last sort of 10 years with united so sometimes you're a bit conscious that you see one performance and you might be getting carried away but I was talking when I was feeling that performance on Sunday, it's almost structurally I felt they were better.

Speaker 1 And I think performance matters.

Speaker 1 You know, when they they were winning sometimes these games in the last few years, they were playing smash and grab, defending deep, counter-attack, win the game 1-0, 2-1,

Speaker 1 and we win that game. But you really knew deep down that's the only way United could win that game.

Speaker 1 Whereas if they carry on playing like they did on Sunday, I think they'll win a lot of football matches.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I agree with that. And, guys, something that was interesting, you always touch on this, and it's hard for people on the outside to understand.

Speaker 2 So, if you could give our listeners a sense of place, you often talk about because

Speaker 2 you're part of the fabric at Alt Trafford, United fans always back their team. People say that a lot.
And they say, well, what does that mean? After the game, they lost 1-0.

Speaker 2 I mean, the ovation that that United team got walking off the field and then subsequently for minutes after was special. At United,

Speaker 2 they support the team first and complain second. Can you talk to kind of that

Speaker 2 mindset?

Speaker 1 Yeah, look, I think there are quite a few clubs in English football that are similar, but United fans, particularly with the managers, I mean, Amarim has struggled to win games since he's come in, but they sing his name constantly throughout the whole match.

Speaker 1 They believe in him. They, at the end of the game on Sunday, stayed.
A lot of them stayed behind and clapped the team and sort of supported them.

Speaker 1 The one thing I think with United fans, Tim, and you know this as well, I think they can win, they can draw and they can lose, but they can't be bored.

Speaker 1 And I actually interestingly saw Amarim the other day say after the game that it wasn't boring.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 I'm not quite sure whether that's an achievement, but he's at Manchester United. It is important that they can't be bored.
And I think Kunya and M.

Speaker 1 Burmo on Sunday, I think, did some things that really give them confidence and the fans confidence. Look, we might be looking stupid next weekend.

Speaker 1 They might get beat by Fulham and Burnley the week after. They might obviously slip up, and we might be sat here thinking we got it wrong.

Speaker 1 And I could be sat here with egg on my face thinking that was just stupid. Same old United.
They raised the game against the the top team. Arsenal weren't at the best.
They got beat.

Speaker 1 And yet they can't beat the lower teams that, to be fair, they can't get up for.

Speaker 1 But I think that they are very loyal. And

Speaker 1 I think if they can keep Shaw, Delicht, Maguire, Yoro fit, Mbermo, Cunya, Mount, and Cesco fit most of the time. And then in midfield, Bruno fit.

Speaker 1 They've got a chance, I think, of finishing in the top five.

Speaker 1 Because I think it's a bit of a transition year for a couple of those teams that I've mentioned before, like Villa, Newcastle, Tottenham are not quite at it either.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I want to just transition a little bit to Liverpool in an odd way. So Alexander Isak, there's a lot of rumors surrounding him and the possible link to Liverpool.
I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 I've sat in the dressing room with you, and one thing I learned from

Speaker 2 you and some of the other guys that were in that dressing room at the time who were serial winners, there was only one way to handle yourself, and that was the right way.

Speaker 2 How do you think the Alexander Isak

Speaker 2 rumor mill is going to pan out? Is he going to stay? Is he going to go? And how has he handled himself?

Speaker 1 Look, I think when I first came out of football team and out of the United dressing room 15 years ago, I would have been very blunt about Isaac's actions. I'd have said it's a disgrace.

Speaker 1 I'd have said that he's letting himself down. He's letting his family down.
He's letting football down. He's letting Newcastle fans down.
And I would have given him a very difficult time.

Speaker 1 I think as you get a little bit older and you recognize that football is a very cutthroat business and clubs, to be fair, you know, they do what they want with players at times and treat them like pieces of meat.

Speaker 1 And the football player's career is only probably 10 to 12 years long and they've got to try and maximize that career, not just in money terms and financial terms, but obviously in trophies.

Speaker 1 I've maybe got a little bit more sympathy in terms of players wanting to go and better themselves and go and play for clubs that they can win trophies at and earn more money.

Speaker 1 And you've got to say, Liverpool is one of the great clubs in the world. And to get, he may have to be

Speaker 1 a sort of bad employee, shall we say, for the next few weeks to get what he wants.

Speaker 1 If he'd have carried on training, carried on playing and not agitated, would Newcastle have sold him? They'd have probably said, no, he's been okay. Let's keep him.

Speaker 1 I think he may feel that he's probably had to do what he needed to do to get where he wants to, but there's part of me hates it.

Speaker 1 Instinctively,

Speaker 1 we do our jobs properly.

Speaker 1 We get up in the morning we're proud to basically sort of go and represent ourselves we're paid and our contracts are signed you stand by that and you should honor it however football is a cutthroat business that to be fair sometimes isn't friendly to players well say one one word answer is he wearing liverpool red this season

Speaker 1 I think he's wearing Liverpool. I think that Monday night football next week is obviously Newcastle versus Liverpool.

Speaker 1 I think they're waiting for that game to finish, and I think they'll do the business later on that week.

Speaker 4 Gary, can you just for people who don't understand this on a deep level? So, what exactly is happening behind the scenes now? Is he

Speaker 4 just not, is he not showing up to training? Is he showing up and being annoying? Are they putting him with the reserves? Is his agent in his ear? Are people? Can you just walk?

Speaker 4 I think people find that interesting to know how that process works.

Speaker 1 He's actually going to step further than that, Landon.

Speaker 1 What apparently he's done, he's not turning up for training, but he's also said, irrespective of whatever happens in the window, if Newcastle don't sell him, he's not wearing a Newcastle United shirt ever again.

Speaker 1 He's had to down tools. Now, I've seen players agitate for leaves.
I think a couple did it at United over the years.

Speaker 1 And, you know, they sometimes you'll have seen it, you guys, where a player wants to leave and he'll get his agent to put some statements out and he'll maybe be a little bit disruptive and he'll not maybe he'll throw an injury and say his back hurts, you know, a part of the body that you can't really sort of spot whether it is hurting or not.

Speaker 1 But I've never seen, and I look, you might remind me of someone, I've never seen a player of this prominence down tools and say that they're not playing for their football club again and they're not turning up to do their job.

Speaker 1 And he's, I think, categorically told them he's never playing for the club again, irrespective of whatever they do.

Speaker 2 Well, it's so, I'm just, I'm just jumping off the back of it. It's so interesting, our industry, guys, because it's a great question from Landon.

Speaker 2 These players are assets, and that's what people forget. Because if my dad said, don't like my wages, I'm not coming to work.
They go, well, brilliant. Chuck off.
We'll see you later.

Speaker 2 Because they're not an asset. But these players are assets.
And people forget that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Guys, what are your first impressions on the other side of the field with Arsenal?

Speaker 4 It wasn't a great performance, but obviously they've learned how to win games like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a lot to admire about Arsenal.

Speaker 1 If you remember that period where we were all criticizing them a good few years back when they were quite flimsy and they concede goals and they'd sort of give leads away, I think now they're probably the only team that I can think of in the the league, and one of that's the very few and rare teams, I think, in world football that really you can trust when they go a goal up.

Speaker 1 It's an old principle of teams that maybe 15, 20 years ago, they could defend leads and they could be really focused and concentrated on the defensive side of the game.

Speaker 1 They're like a little bit of a throwback to an old Italian team at times, the way they're long throws, set pieces. compact, don't give a lot of space away.

Speaker 1 They've got the dark arts of the game where the managers sort of trying to waste time and the players are going down, feigning feigning injury they've got a bit of that going on so they're wise they're cute the big question is

Speaker 1 and cara actually said something actually interesting yesterday he said do they remind him of that rafa benite's liverpool team that had those quality that had those qualities but they didn't have the star quality up front and the flare to be able to score the goals to win a league over a 38 game season and it started to play on my mind a little bit because i've gone for arsenal again this year i've gone for them the last three years and they finished second um and i've gone for them again this year year just because I'm the fear of missing out.

Speaker 1 If I didn't know for them and they won it,

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be able to forgive myself.

Speaker 1 But there's part of me looks at them and think, Martinelli looks like he's dipped a little bit. Erdegard, he's a good player, but is he going to score the goals that they need?

Speaker 1 Jocharez actually, I think he'll do okay, but is he going to score 20 goals? And Saka's obviously got to stay fit. So there are question marks up front, up top about them.
And that's the big question.

Speaker 1 Can they get the goals? And can they be expansive enough to win games and basically do what I think City of Liverpool will do, which is go and outscore teams at times?

Speaker 4 All right, let's move on to a club you probably don't care anything about, but your brother certainly did.

Speaker 4 Everton, a club that Timmy and I played for for a long time. The Grealish move, obviously, on the tip of everyone's tongue.
Your thoughts on the move? And can he

Speaker 4 get himself back

Speaker 4 into, I guess, the graces of Tuchel and have a chance now to play in the World Cup next summer?

Speaker 1 I hope so, because I like Jack and actually like Everton from a point of view.

Speaker 1 It's been painful watching them at times in the last 10 or 12 years when you think about the fact of this great football club and fighting relegation for the last few years.

Speaker 1 I thought they were really poor last night.

Speaker 1 And they were really basic.

Speaker 1 That was the word I used to describe them on television, basic, whereby there wasn't really a lot of anything.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah they've got a couple of defenders that'll throw their head at it and put their you know net you know their bodies on the line but they lacked a lot of flair um and jack came on for about 25 minutes he didn't get too much involvement in the game look my concern is that he's going to end up from going from a treble-winning manager city team playing with bernardo silver phil forden hurling harland and rodri and he's now going going to go into a team that's got obviously inferior players around him and is he going to become disillusioned with it and and feel that they're not up to the standard of him so i think he's going to have to show patience i think he's going to have to show leadership when you think about when cristiano ronaldo came back to united and it's quite clear he became frustrated playing with a player that maybe wasn't at the standard he'd been used to at real madrid and the other clubs he played at and united previously i wonder whether jack you know is he going to be a shining light and a beacon in that everton team or is he going to become frustrated a little bit snappy someone who basically gets you know booked quite regularly because he's not quite getting the service that he's used to and playing with the players that he's used to.

Speaker 1 So I hope it's the former.

Speaker 1 I think if you can score 10 or 12 goals for them, win a lot of free kicks for them, get those free kicks delivered into the box because Everton are good at set pieces.

Speaker 1 But Everton have got a lot of work to do. And David Moyes, when I was looking at him last night,

Speaker 1 he needs four or five players coming in in this next couple of weeks. And I think he almost said as much on the television.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and he seems frustrated in the summer series as well, just in regards to the fact that they, you know, the club had been mismanaged for so long that 12 players were out of contract.

Speaker 2 And you know, it's easy to get rid of 12 players. It's hard to bring 12 players in.

Speaker 2 So they definitely need more players.

Speaker 2 Tottenham is a team that you have been on record saying like you like you like you enjoy watching them and

Speaker 2 they're run in a pretty decent way in terms of how the stadium is structured and so forth. Just kind of curious your thoughts as they transition from

Speaker 2 what was a weird and wild Premier League season to winning a European trophy, the sacking of Angel Postakaglu, and then bringing in Thomas Frank. Like, where do you stand on Tottenham as a whole?

Speaker 1 I mean, the reason I said that I like watching them, Tim, was because I don't know if it's because I'm getting older. Maybe the last two or three, maybe the last two or three years,

Speaker 1 I value every football match that I go and watch, and I love being in the stadiums.

Speaker 1 But I've seen quite a bit of formulaic football, you know, this idea of recycling the ball always, not taking risks, wide players becoming a little bit rigid and not, you know, going and dribbling and attacking defenders and passing it back.

Speaker 1 And, you know the idea of being overcoached i think it's become a little bit of a thing and i think in this last few months um i'm seeing it change a little bit i think that i feel like the game's changing it's become a little bit more instinctive and sort of a bit more spontaneity and the thing about poster cog lose tottenham i mean there were things that obviously you could criticize heavily about them defensively and some of the things that they would do on a football pitch you'd go what are you doing how are you leaving yourself so open but every time i watched them play i enjoyed the game and that counts for a lot i do think it counts for something maybe it is as we're getting older you know you talk about 4-4-2 a lot you talk about defensive resilience you talk about compactness and shape but what about expression and risk and i played under a manager tim you'll know this that our manager talked constantly about expression and risk and going to win games and every time he made a substitution it felt like it was a positive one so that's coming back into me a little bit about you know, this last few years.

Speaker 1 And I've seen the game become methodical and I've not liked parts of it. But when I watch a Tottenham team, and I think even Thomas Frank's last couple of weeks have been interesting.

Speaker 1 They played five at the back against PSG, which I think was obviously what he did at Brentford, but then they went with four at the back against Burnley, and he was a lot more attacking.

Speaker 1 Jamie Carragher did a really good piece on it last night.

Speaker 1 And if they're pragmatic in big games against good opposition, but they're expressive against the teams that you would expect them to be, I think I'm fine with that.

Speaker 1 You know, we've been told over this last, or conditioned over this last 10, 12 years, that these coaches now have to have a plan A, they have to have a philosophy yeah but whatever happened to adapting to what the needs of the game are and the opponent that you're playing against that's what ultimately happened in our day if we were playing away at everton we knew we had to compete physically with duncan ferguson and tim kahill because if we didn't deal with those crosses into the box we were dead so he would play bigger fullbacks he might play john o'shea at left back instead of patrice everer he might play you know nikki button midfield instead of paul scholes and go more physical that we adapted to the conditions of the opposition and goodison park and and what the challenges of Goodison Park were.

Speaker 1 It's almost become like a thing now, whereby you do plan A, and if plan A doesn't work, you have to try and do plan A better,

Speaker 1 which is mad. I mean,

Speaker 1 why can't you be a bit more direct? Why can't you counter-attack? Why can't you sit a bit deeper? Why can't you press

Speaker 1 at certain points? So, I think Tottenham, to be fair to them, they thrill. I think they look like they're going to have a good balance this season.
They've got a good manager.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think the caveat, it's an interesting point. It's one we talk about

Speaker 2 quite a lot on NBC and here i i my my qu my question for for thomas frank is everything you said is spot on he he did such a brilliant job at brentford getting them into the premier league and solidifying them and the way he solidified them guys was he hand-picked games he said we are not going to be in this game okay so we're going to play five at the back and this is a game next week that we think we can get at them so we'll go to four in the back i i don't disagree with it i like it my my question to thomas frank would be you're now at a big club, right?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 you're no longer at a Brentford. Does that work? Will that work on a weekly basis or do they need to get to a point where they are on the front foot constantly? So it's an interesting balance.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a good point, Tim, but I think

Speaker 1 I just think back when we used to play against Arsenal with the, you know, Henri Perez and all those great players,

Speaker 1 they were a better football team than us. And we would sit behind the ball very deep, play Darren Fletcher in a midfield three.

Speaker 1 We would pack midfield and particularly that right-hand side where they had those Henri Perez and Ashley Cole or whoever else it was.

Speaker 1 You know, so I don't think fans mind in certain matches sitting deeper and being more pragmatic and going on the counter-attack. I agree with you.
You couldn't do it every single week at. Tottenham.

Speaker 1 If they were playing against Burnley or they were playing against Sunderland and they played like that, they would get criticised.

Speaker 1 So I think this idea of sort of interchanging with this sort of idea of how he plays against the big teams and the good teams versus the sort of teams that are a bit more sort of beatable.

Speaker 1 I think Sotten fans will be okay with it as long as they see some good goals and some good and good victories, basically.

Speaker 4 Well, we've seen, yeah, just to dive in a little bit, we've seen Arsenal do it too, right? And they did it on the weekend.

Speaker 4 And so do you think, guys, do you think the pendulum then is swinging back a little bit? Because you're right, for a long time it went to game model attacking how we build, how we do.

Speaker 4 And now it feels like maybe some of the big teams are saying, okay, let's swing the pendulum back a little bit

Speaker 1 yeah absolutely if you look at the um if you look at the city back four not necessarily at the weekend because i think at the weekend they had obviously rico lewis playing but over the last few years they've had guardiol at left back who's effectively a left-footed centre back they've had obviously the two centre backs and that could be ake and stones or diaz and stones and at right back they've had kyle walker if you look at Arsenal's back four at the weekend they had ben white who's been a centre back they had Califiore who's like a left centre back he's six foot two and they had Gabrielle and Saliba.

Speaker 1 So you think about these teams now going with more of a physical back fours.

Speaker 1 Liverpool's slightly different. Obviously, they've gone for Frimpong and Kirkz, obviously at full backs, which is a little bit more traditional in terms of them being smaller.

Speaker 1 But Liverpool are electric. They take risks.
They definitely aren't formulaic.

Speaker 1 Arsenal, I think, have changed the way in which they play. Manchester City are nowhere near as tick-a-tacker as they were four, five, six years ago.

Speaker 1 When you think about that team that they had with david silver de bruyna yeah fernandinho and then they had sterling sane and naguero they were all very small diminutive players who were playing basically perfect football it was amazing to watch you watch city now with harlan with rinders with rodri that you know when they when he plays and the others that they're actual giants so i do think the game's changed forest obviously played differently last season um i think that manchester united have gotten rid of sancho anthony um

Speaker 1 who's the other one?

Speaker 1 Sancho, Anthony, and Genacho,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 1 Three Jinkers. I call them Jinkers, like small players who do this sort of little thing.

Speaker 1 They've now gone for Mbermo, Cunha, and Sesco, who are, you know, Cunya's six foot one, Sesco's six foot five, Mbermo's powerful and strong.

Speaker 1 They've gone for a profile of a player that's more physical. So I do think there is a change happening.

Speaker 1 The teams that are coming up from the championships, Sunderland and Leeds, have gone for real physical players.

Speaker 1 I think Leeds have signed seven players or six players that are over six foot one, six foot two. So I feel like the game's changing again and going a little bit back to how it was.

Speaker 1 And to me, that's the Premier League.

Speaker 1 Of course, we want technical football, but we want a little bit of that excitement and that thrill and that physicality.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, the fact of the matter is the Premier League has always been robust. And

Speaker 2 even when it got away from that a little bit, you still had to figure out a way to compete.

Speaker 2 Just curious, you don't have to give me a take on all of them, but in terms of like who you're expecting a big year from, I'm thinking of Yokarez, rinders shesko uh ekatike at liverpool who of the big players that have been signed into the league who are you expecting the most from i mean the one that to be fair looks like he's closest to world class and got the potential is verts i think he's the one that really sort of stands out

Speaker 1 the other ones that you mentioned that the big clubs have signed in bermo cunha sesco yokarez de la p and pet uh jao pedro at chelsea and estevao they've all got you know ekatike probably as well they've all got i think I mean, some of them I think will emerge as being top-class players.

Speaker 1 Which of those do, we'll find out because they've all got to make that next jump. They're all being asked a big question this season.

Speaker 1 Can you go and play at a top four club, a top five club with a high expectation where you will be expected to score goals every single week? You will be expected to win games every single week.

Speaker 1 And if you don't, it's a crisis. So can they handle that pressure? I mean, Tim, you've been at Old Trafford.
You know what it's like. If Sesco and Burmo and Cooney don't score in the first 10 games.

Speaker 1 If one of the, you know, the pressure builds and all of a sudden you've got that confidence, those doubts starting to build up, the media start to ask questions.

Speaker 1 So it's really important for these players to settle in. Ekotike settled in on Friday night, Anfield.
You were there.

Speaker 1 Had a really good night.

Speaker 1 Jokarez and Sesco, obviously Sesco only played 20 minutes, but Jokarez yesterday got a bit of criticism, I felt, for his performance.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you thought, Tim. I thought he looked a handful to me.
I thought he looked like he made some decent runs.

Speaker 2 I'm on board with you. I thought he was, he's different.
He's different. He's a, you know, when, when have we known an Arsenal striker to come short, dig his heels in, and hold the ball up?

Speaker 2 It's great. And ultimately, yeah, he took some stick, but I'm with you.
I think he put a good shift in.

Speaker 2 You know, Mikelar Teta came to the desk after the game and said, look, we're still trying to get him to understand how to press in the way we want to press, right?

Speaker 2 And so you probably saw this as well.

Speaker 2 Yokura spent half the game looking over at the touchline, trying to figure out what, you know, so like once he gets in a flow, the way Arsenal play as you know the ball is gonna get served on a silver platter in and around the penalty area all he's gonna have to do is stick it in the back of net so yeah I quite like the signing yeah me too and I thought the lick to be fair did a really good job on him I think he had one of his best games United's he was really physical so and United played well they sort of really did push up the pitch and sure

Speaker 1 Luke Shaw is an excellent excellent defender he's obviously got the massive issue with injury but he is a top player Luke Shaw is one of the very best left backs that you could see when he's actually fully fit and he's flying

Speaker 4 guys just a few more and we really appreciate you taking the time you I think I thought Tim was the busiest man in the world but I think you might be now

Speaker 4 did did people in England just from a broader perspective how much did people in England pay attention to the club World Cup this summer just curious

Speaker 1 do you know something I always think we're a country that's sceptical Landon in terms of we only if it's not got heritage or it's not got tradition we tend to sort of say oh it's what is this what's this new competition and we we always come late to the party.

Speaker 1 I have to think this competition will take off.

Speaker 1 I think that it was good that an English club won it. I think that really sort of heightened interest in it.

Speaker 1 I think the prize money makes a big difference in respect of the seriousness of the competition. It's not just nostalgia and sort of what would be ceremony that you're playing for.

Speaker 1 You're playing for real prize money, which means that teams are going to pay a lot of attention to try and get in that competition.

Speaker 1 I think that teams should compete against each other from all different parts of the world.

Speaker 1 So there needs to be, there's been many different iterations of this trophy over the last 20 years where they've tried to sort of get the format right.

Speaker 1 I had to think it was the best one, and I think they'll stick with it. And I think it'll become an excellent tournament.
And, you know, it was slow pickup, being honest with you.

Speaker 1 But I think that when people realized that you saw the likes of PSG and Chelsea and you saw, you know, great games towards the end,

Speaker 1 I think people realized that this could be a competition that's here to stay.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Guys, the last one from me i we talk about on this show constantly because our listeners they love the u.s men's national team they're so passionate and and obviously the ins and outs and are our guys playing and are they fit and will they make the world cup team that is on the tip of everybody's tongue on this show just curious because you've also lived it in the premier league playing going to world cups what's it going to be like for players this year who are on the on in and around the squad, on the fringes, with the media, with the hype, with the scrutiny that goes into every single match.

Speaker 2 Just talk to us.

Speaker 2 What is that like for England international going into a World Cup year?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it gets really serious, I think, after Christmas, probably January, February, when you're really looking at sort of what would be

Speaker 1 the selection of the squad, the big decisions.

Speaker 1 It becomes massive. And I think the World Cup next year,

Speaker 1 particularly with it being in the US,

Speaker 1 predominantly,

Speaker 1 I think,

Speaker 1 honestly, it's enormous for the players.

Speaker 1 For English players, I always remember, you know, I was quite nervous when I made my debut for Manchester United, but when I made my debut in the World Cup in 1998 over in France, it was another level of nerves that I experienced.

Speaker 1 This idea of this tournament that you've grown up watching the 1982 World Cup, you know, 86, 90 with Gaza in Italy.

Speaker 1 These are some of the greatest moments of my life.

Speaker 1 My first ever World Cup match, by the way, just as a sort of

Speaker 1 a bit of interest, was actually the USA versus Columbia in the Rose Bowl in the 1994 World Cup.

Speaker 2 Wow, wow. Were you there? Are you watching?

Speaker 1 I was there. No way.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 1 It was honestly, it was the hottest I've ever been in my life.

Speaker 1 Has the Rose Bowl got a roof on it yet, by the way?

Speaker 2 Because I can't get a roof. Not yet.
I was at that game as well, by the way. I was at that game.
Were you?

Speaker 1 Wow, yeah, I was at that game, Tim. And if you remember the tragedy that came out of that game, obviously, with the Columbia player after.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that was my first ever World Cup Cup game I went with David Beckham and Keith Gillespie it's amazing and we went to the Rose Bowl and my brother and Phil was there with me and we went to the Rose Bowl to watch USA versus Columbia and I remember after half an hour I had to go I had to go back outside to the concourse to have an ice cream because I was that warm

Speaker 1 um yeah but it was a it was a great experience it's going to be incredible next year for the English players you know there is nothing like the scrutiny of a World Cup and playing for England in a World Cup for an English football player.

Speaker 1 It's enormous.

Speaker 2 Amen to that. And listen,

Speaker 2 for our listeners who are concerned, Gary will be in a very air-conditioned, gorgeous box at the next World Cup this summer. So he'll be fine.
No doubt about that. All right, Gary.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you will be. We know you will.
Well, look, we really appreciate it. Thank you for taking the time.

Speaker 4 Hopefully, we can have you back on again, especially as we get nearer to the World Cup next summer.

Speaker 1 No problem anytime.

Speaker 2 No problem at all.

Speaker 4 Thank you. Cheers, Gary.

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Speaker 4 Tajani Reinders was excellent. But I think Rasharlison getting the Thomas Frank era off in the right way, two goals, two great goals.

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Speaker 2 Honestly, I've lost track at this point.

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Speaker 2 It's time for the fan connection presented by ATT. Every week, we invite you, the listener, to connect with us by submitting your questions.
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Speaker 2 Welcome back into the ATT Fan Connection. I was going to say this is our first time doing it together, but we did it at the live show.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we did. We did.

Speaker 2 It's fun. And we also get to see Jordan.
Jordan, how are you?

Speaker 6 I'm great, guys. How are you? Hi, JR.

Speaker 2 Amazing. What shirt are you wearing? Talk us through this.
You always have some

Speaker 2 shirts.

Speaker 6 I am wearing a Flower City 1872 shirt from Rochester, New York. So,

Speaker 6 one of our listeners sent some shirts. I think you guys got the Flower City Union shirts, and I got the women.
I specifically asked for the women's team shirt, but I thought it's cool.

Speaker 6 They're called 1872

Speaker 6 because Susan B. Anthony, a suffragette who helped get women the right to vote, she was arrested in her native city of Rochester in 1872 for trying to vote at a time when it was still illegal.

Speaker 6 And I think that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 I love that homage. Yeah, that's very cool.
That's very cool. Always.

Speaker 2 How are you guys?

Speaker 6 We're good.

Speaker 6 You're there together. I wish I was there.

Speaker 2 I know. I know.
We wish you were here, but you're not. So, I mean, unfortunate.

Speaker 2 What do you got for us?

Speaker 6 I got a couple of things. Let's start.
Actually, someone else who has offered to send us some shirts for a team called Firelands United Football Club in Sandusky, Ohio. I don't know where that is.

Speaker 6 I'm going to have to get it out of it.

Speaker 2 What's the name?

Speaker 6 Firelands United Football Club.

Speaker 4 Firelands.

Speaker 5 They're a grassroots team.

Speaker 2 Where is that?

Speaker 6 Sandusky, Ohio.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 We show love no matter what. Firelands.

Speaker 6 Send us the shirts and we'll wear them.

Speaker 2 I'll definitely wear them.

Speaker 4 She just uses this segment to get shirts.

Speaker 2 This is her part.

Speaker 2 It's literally what she shows.

Speaker 6 This is amazing. I'm here here for the here for the kids.

Speaker 6 So this is Andrew, who sent this question in via email and who is involved with Firelands United Football Club. There, I've gotten it in like three times, so I'm good now.

Speaker 6 His question is, would a structure similar to that of Major League Baseball work for soccer here in the U.S.? Every major league team has several minor league teams affiliated with them.

Speaker 6 These teams teams are used to train and develop players for the majors. Would a structure like this be beneficial for the growth of the game and player development?

Speaker 6 I know MLS has somewhat attempted to do this with MLS Next Pro, but it doesn't seem to be the best or most exciting structure. And there are tons of grassroots programs across the country.

Speaker 6 So why not partner with those?

Speaker 4 It's actually a great question.

Speaker 4 It's a really good question.

Speaker 4 In the past, MLS tried to do some version of that with USL.

Speaker 4 And so you would have, and this, it feels like so long ago, but it wasn't that long ago, where an MLS club would have literally an affiliation with the USL club, and you could send all your players would go there, like Houston had it with Rio Grande Valley with RGV.

Speaker 4 And they would send players there either for a few games or for a half season or for a full season.

Speaker 4 And it was actually a great development tool because RGV might travel to San Diego Loyal and play in front of 5,000 people. And it felt like it was still like a real game.

Speaker 4 I I don't know. I think the divide now between MLS and USL is too big in just in the way they view each other.
I think they went away from that.

Speaker 4 They were, you know, they were more collaborative in the past and now they're more competitive.

Speaker 4 And so I think unless MLS itself creates some of these, which, you know, the Galaxy have Ventura County, so it's some version of that. The problem is, is

Speaker 4 from a development perspective, MLS Next Pro, the games aren't real. They're just not.
A lot of the games had been played in the past on like a Sunday morning.

Speaker 4 Now they're trying to play them at night, but there's very few games where you go into and it's a real game. So you don't get real development.
But I'm not saying it wouldn't work.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no,

Speaker 2 it comes back down to money. And I hate that I have to say that all the time.
But like I think about

Speaker 2 I think about the structure of Minor League Baseball, which is a good one, but everything is

Speaker 2 Everything is funded and funneled from the Major League Baseball, from the MLB team. Sure.

Speaker 2 And the same goes when you talk about youth systems and academies throughout Europe, whether it be England or Germany or wherever else, that's funded by the top club. And so

Speaker 2 there has to be an investment. Like Bayern Munich invests in their 18s, 19s, under 12s.

Speaker 2 They fully, heavily invest in that. And so...

Speaker 2 I would say the size of our country is a challenge. It's not for baseball.
So, you know, that can be overcome, but I still think it's about money and return on investment.

Speaker 2 we don't quite have that yet.

Speaker 4 And, you know, the gap, JR2, the gap that for a long time everyone in U.S.

Speaker 4 soccer and I think still worries about is sort of like that 16-year-old to basically 19-year-old, 20-year-old, where you're, you're now a pro, but you're not ready to play at the top.

Speaker 4 So where do you play where you're getting really good competition and really high-level games? And from when I was in Germany, if you didn't, I didn't play for Leverkusen's first team.

Speaker 4 So I'd play for their reserve team. And the reserve team, we'd go away to some of these teams in the third league or the fourth league where there were 10,000 people.

Speaker 4 And you were playing against men who were real pros. Real pros.
And that's what USL has now. Those games are real games.
In a lot of instances, people are playing for their livelihood.

Speaker 4 And I think MLS is struggling now to try to figure out how do they bridge that gap because some, you know, very few kids are going to play at. 18, 19.
And so how do you fill that gap?

Speaker 2 You made a good point because I also think like some of these, JR, some of these partnerships are just partnerships in name only. It's like they don't own the club.

Speaker 2 So we're going to send five players to you and we're going to demand that you play them.

Speaker 2 And someone within the organization who owns the organization and maybe rightfully so is going to go, I don't really like you.

Speaker 2 The partnership sounded great in the spring when we signed the contract, but I don't really like you dictating to me who's going to play for my team.

Speaker 4 Or the coach of that. Or the coach.

Speaker 4 I'm not playing him. He's not good enough to play.
So it is a challenge. It's a really good question.

Speaker 6 Here is a question from Brian via email who says, Greetings from Alaska.

Speaker 2 Oh, lovely.

Speaker 6 Listening to us in Alaska. He asks, Will Luca Modric be good for Christian Pulisic?

Speaker 4 First of all, can we do a live show in Alaska?

Speaker 2 How rad would that be? You would love that. I'm not sure I would.

Speaker 4 How far is a flight from New York to Alaska, by the way? That's got to be fun.

Speaker 6 Can we go in the summer? Because I do not want to go when it's dark all year round.

Speaker 4 I can't imagine a scenario where Luca Modric is bad for anybody. Sure.

Speaker 4 But in particular with Christian, I think it's going to be fantastic um

Speaker 4 they they share that obviously that relative croatian heritage obviously luka is much more croatian i think than christian would admit uh even to being but they uh that's a fantastic mentor to have you i can't imagine many guys in the world who would be better for uh an american in their prime than luka madrich so i think it'd be fantastic Yeah, I mean, I share that.

Speaker 2 I think they're not the same player, but

Speaker 2 still a player who kind of skates across the grass and

Speaker 2 ball dominant, looks to

Speaker 2 get on the ball, make the game,

Speaker 2 has played at the highest level, won everything there is to win. For the most part,

Speaker 4 that's a big thing.

Speaker 4 And probably as much off the field as on the field.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 2 And look,

Speaker 2 these people who are meant to come in and...

Speaker 2 give advice or mentor, they're only as good as the person receiving the information. If Christian,

Speaker 2 and I don't have any reason to think he isn't,

Speaker 2 if he's open to receiving

Speaker 2 that advice and that guidance, it'll pay dividends for sure.

Speaker 4 Of course he is. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Here is a question via YouTube from another person named Andrew. What is the language dynamic in clubs where so many players are from different countries and speak different languages?

Speaker 6 How does the quote-unquote common ground for language get established if it does? And what is that communication dynamic like playing with players who don't speak your language? It's amazing.

Speaker 4 That's a great question. So there's levels to this.
So

Speaker 4 if, for instance, I went to Leverkusen at 16. I didn't speak a word of German.
So it was incumbent upon me to learn German, right? The coach was German.

Speaker 4 99% of the players I played with on the youth teams were German. And so I just had to learn German.
The bigger question, and I don't know how much insight you have to this, is if you go to like,

Speaker 4 well, you go to Saudi Arabia and you've got Dutch coaches there and there's a bunch of Brazilians and there's a bunch of you know Norwegians and

Speaker 4 how what happens how does that work because and half the team are Saudi and speak Arabic I actually don't have the perfect answer

Speaker 2 because when I was in England like you just learn English you're there but in some countries it's such a mix and I wouldn't even know where to start yeah I've never had a coach that I where we needed a translator and people think that's funny they do so in certain clubs depending on where they recruit from like let's say you had an English manager Wolves is a good example right?

Speaker 2 If you had an English manager and you recruited a lot of players from Portugal, they might actually have someone on staff who is an interpreter. Right.
And that interpreter is just everywhere.

Speaker 2 He sits with the players. When the team huddles up on the pitch, he's around them.

Speaker 2 What I would say is in the dress room, Atlanta made a really good point. When you're a younger player and you're going into a club as a young reserve, it's really hard.

Speaker 2 It is far easier when you're an established pro and you come into a first-team dress room. Because in a first-team dress room, everybody just wants to get their arm around you.

Speaker 2 Everybody's going to help you in some sort of way. They're not going to like test you and go, this kid can't hack it.
And so, like,

Speaker 2 in the dress room, let's say at Everton, which, again, some of this you witnessed, you have the English-speaking players, okay, no problem. So, you come in and

Speaker 2 you'd have Sylvain Distin, who is, who is, who's a French, French-speaking player, but speaks really good English.

Speaker 2 So, Marwan Filani, who only speaks French, comes in, and all the French-speaking players will be together, and one of them will be the alpha.

Speaker 2 One of them will be the translator, and they'll say this is what he wants. And so it's kind of becomes this brotherhood.
I mean, the funniest one for me was we had, we had the Nigerians, right?

Speaker 2 So we had Yakubu,

Speaker 2 Anichibi, and Yobo. And then Steven Pinar came into the mix.
All these guys I love. Steven Pinar is South African.
And they'd be speaking this language.

Speaker 2 And I would say to them, seriously, guys, what language are you speaking? Because if I'm not mistaken, three of you from Nigeria and Stephen's from South Africa. Stephen doesn't speak Nigerian.

Speaker 2 And they told me there was just like this

Speaker 2 made-up kind of dialect that they all kind of understood. It was amazing.
And so really good question. It's a hard dynamic when you don't know the language.

Speaker 4 And I will tell you, like, as a young player in Germany, my coach, God, I loved him, Peter Herman, he...

Speaker 4 on Friday before the Saturday game, after training, we'd sit in the locker room and he'd do, I swear to God, he'd do like a 45-minute philosophical speech in German. And you can imagine.

Speaker 4 And I was sitting there like, oh my God, I

Speaker 4 didn't understand a word and just sat there. The players who spoke German hated it.

Speaker 4 Imagine me sitting there. Oh, it was miserable.

Speaker 4 And by the way, players are very clever with, like, I don't know if Filani ever learned English, really, but like, he should have learned enough English.

Speaker 4 But they're very clever with, you know, deciding how much they actually want to learn and not learn.

Speaker 2 It's funny you say that because I don't know how, I don't know the ages or if they make a senior player do this, but I know in Holland, from what I've heard, they make you know, like nobody wants to take English or Dutch lessons or whatever, right?

Speaker 2 I think Josie was telling us this, Josie Altdor, and he said, he said, everybody hates going to their Dutch tutor. Like it's like, I one more thing on my plate.

Speaker 2 And so the team rule was you can stop going to Dutch lessons when you give your first interview in Dutch. Oh, that's brilliant.

Speaker 2 So basically expedited, you go into your Dutch lessons so that you can give your first interview.

Speaker 4 And you try to speak.

Speaker 4 That's part of it is just

Speaker 4 putting yourself out there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 4 That's a great question.

Speaker 6 I mean, honestly, guys, if I was working underneath Moyes, I would need a translator.

Speaker 2 He says English. I told you.

Speaker 4 Some of those first meetings, I had no clue what he was saying.

Speaker 2 I mean, I zero. Didn't know what Moise was saying.
You go in the city of Liverpool, you need a translator for people who speak Scouse. It's the whole, the, the whole,

Speaker 2 God bless me.

Speaker 6 Okay, last question. This one's from DJ via email.
I have a question for both of you.

Speaker 6 Looking back at your past World Cup experiences, would you say losing to Ghana in 2010 was the biggest World Cup disappointment due to the way the bracket lined up? I can't see the U.S.

Speaker 6 ever getting a knockout draw like we did in 2010.

Speaker 4 I wonder,

Speaker 4 what was the bracket after that?

Speaker 6 Are you saying in 2014?

Speaker 4 Oh, just getting Ghana and a knockout.

Speaker 6 Yeah, like having the bracket work out in, I guess, what he's insinuating.

Speaker 4 I mean, in 02, we had Mexico and like that was a dream because Mexico was a good team, but we knew them.

Speaker 4 We weren't scared of them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's going to be a time where it lines up again.

Speaker 2 Also, I mean, we won that group in 2010 as well, right? And

Speaker 2 when you win a group, which is hard, you then are going to get maybe not a world power. Right.
You know, and quite, and look, quite frankly, we can say how things lined up.

Speaker 2 And let's be brutally honest.

Speaker 2 It's not like we were favorites just because we won the group. Like, Ghana was a good team, very evenly matched.
Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 So, you know, I think we have to remember who we are and where we kind of sit in the football landscape.

Speaker 4 I was with someone last night who was at U.S.

Speaker 4 soccer for forever, and we were at dinner, and they were saying, talking about 2026, and we were talking about all the things, everything that went on this summer, Pochatino, whatever.

Speaker 4 And he said, it's going to come down to two games, right? It's going to come down to, we'll get out of our group. I think.
And he's like, then you have a round of 32 game. You either win or lose.

Speaker 4 And if you win it, it's going to come down to one more game. And that, like, everything is going to be judged.

Speaker 4 And he has such perspective because he's been in the sport, you know, he's working for somebody on TV in 80 in 86 in Mexico, right? So like he's seen it forever. And he's like, and it always does.

Speaker 4 I mean, the Algeria game came down to two minutes, not two games, right? And so everything is going to be judged on that.

Speaker 4 And so it's important to keep that all into context because the bracket, how it all plays out, whatever, I mean,

Speaker 4 it does matter, but then it's coming down to do we win that round a 32 game? Do we win a round a 16 game? Do we get to a quarterfinal? We'll see.

Speaker 2 That's such a stupid.

Speaker 2 So if we, I'm racking my brain. We won the group.

Speaker 2 And I'm thinking too, I'm thinking 2010. Yeah.

Speaker 2 We, we won the group and we had five points. Is that right? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Anyway, okay. You know, just that game too, I was, I remember that.
The Ghana game, I think it was three days later. I remember it came really fast.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and that was a weird thing, too, with how it was set up. Like, because we won, we played late.
We were one of the later groups. We played three days.
It was a little bit of a punishment, too.

Speaker 2 That's so interesting.

Speaker 6 Anyway, sorry, now I'm like looking at how the whole thing. Yeah, you had three days.

Speaker 2 You were three days. Three days, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah.
Because you were the first, you were like one of the first games in the round of 16.

Speaker 2 So who didn't go? Who didn't go through?

Speaker 6 From your group? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Slovenia.

Speaker 4 Slovenia and Algeria.

Speaker 2 Slovenia and Algeria. It's such a weird thing to be on the cusp of winning your group or

Speaker 2 going out. That's just a strange.
I mean, that's a strange mix, though.

Speaker 2 Going out and just getting through, I can understand. But going out and winning the group are like both extremes.

Speaker 4 Because of how it played out. Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And ironically, the other team to come out of your group, England, also didn't win their round of 16 game, Germany.

Speaker 2 Ooh, yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 4 Yikes.

Speaker 6 Also, just, Tim, I feel like you've mentioned this before, that one of the benefits of an expanded World Cup is getting more great teams into the World Cup.

Speaker 6 But by the same token, there's also going to be some teams that are just getting through based on numbers, right?

Speaker 6 So there's more opportunity for, like you said, great teams to make great appearances, but also there's always a chance that you're going to end up either in a group or, you know, with someone who's making it easier for you to move on.

Speaker 2 We're going to have to

Speaker 2 readjust the margins. And we'll get into this over the next year at Nausea.

Speaker 2 Someone mentioned to me who, who is,

Speaker 2 who I respect a ton in the U.S. soccer landscape,

Speaker 2 and they're saying, like, round of 16 is, is success. And I said to them, but hang on a minute.
Round of 16 is the old quarterfinal. Correct.
So I'm like,

Speaker 2 I don't think that's, I don't, I, I would give, I would think this team is successful even if they don't get to round to 16, depending on, because there's one more game. Right.

Speaker 2 So maybe, maybe they believe on the inside.

Speaker 4 But if you, and look, we don't need to get into the weeds too much, but there are 12 teams who are seeded.

Speaker 4 The top nine teams in the world plus the U.S., Canada, Mexico. So we're going to avoid the top nine teams in the world.

Speaker 4 And then you're going to get one of the next 12 best teams. And if it's the worst of those teams, and then it goes down and down.
So, I mean, getting out of a group is an absolute.

Speaker 4 must and will be and it will happen. But then from there, you're right.
I mean, it depends on how you get, who you get drawn against, whatever. But that is the old round of 16.

Speaker 2 But that's the whole point about being the host is there's nine best teams in the world. And I don't necessarily know Mexico aside, but maybe in the same group, like Mexico, U.S., and Canada,

Speaker 2 they don't have any God-given right to then go, oh,

Speaker 2 we're getting the second best.

Speaker 2 If they play a team, like if they play,

Speaker 2 let's say they play Nigeria,

Speaker 2 Canada or U.S., I'm not saying like, oh, this is a nailed-on win. You get what I'm saying? Just given

Speaker 4 Norway or

Speaker 4 no i know that's because you could play the 10th best team in the world correct correct correct and may all of those terrible teams you talked about be in the us's group next next summer jordan yes please all right that was great

Speaker 4 thanks guys All right, Timmy, great to be here with you. Thanks for making the trip.
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