05 Huntsman | Missing campers

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It's March 2020 and elsewhere in Australia panic is starting to build about the looming COVID pandemic. But here in the Wannangata Valley it's peaceful and quiet.

Russell Hill is setting up camp. He loves this place.
He's been camping here in the thick, unforgiving wilderness for years.

Sometimes he goes camping with his wife. But today, he's here on a secret trip with someone else, a woman named Carol.

They're in their early 70s.

They were childhood sweethearts back in the day, but they went on to marry other people.

They've been having an affair for the past 14 years.

unable to let go.

Here, they can be alone together. Well,

mostly.

Russell is an amateur radio enthusiast, and the following night, at 6pm, he checks in with his mates for a chat.

The radio club president thinks Russell sounds, quote, as happy as a pig in shit.

He's in his element, camping in his favourite valley with Carol.

Russell signs off using his call sign, VK3 VZP, Monangada Station.

These will be his last words to the outside world.

The next morning, an ominous scene is found by another camper who arrives at the clearing.

The earth is scorched. And there's a molten shadow where Russell and Carol's tent used to be.

Mangled frames of tent poles and folding campchairs stick up out of the mess.

There's a broken solar panel, a gas canister, glass from a mirror. Scattered amongst the ash are the trinkets of ordinary life.
A jeans button, two pairs of glasses, underwire from a bra,

and melted bourbon and cola cans.

Beside the nest of debris is Russell Hills White Land Cruiser.

It's singed but mostly intact.

Russell and Carol's wallets lie in the front foot wells. It looks like they've been rummaged through.

Some cards lie loose. Their owners are nowhere to be seen.

Russell and Carol

have disappeared.

This is Victoria's high country, a beautiful but perilous landscape.

Over the the years, several people have disappeared here without a trace, never to be seen again.

The burnt-out campsite makes Russell and Carol's disappearance instantly suspicious, but it offers police no strong leads.

For 20 months, Russell and Carol's families, including Russell's wife, wait in agony for answers.

When police eventually make an arrest, the man they take into custody seems to be an average married dad with hobbies and a good job, an airline pilot named Greg Lynn.

And when Lisa Lynn's friends hear about what he's been charged with, it will reopen 25-year-old wounds and stoke fresh anger and suspicion.

I'm Rachel Brown and this is Huntsman, the latest season of Unravel.

Greg Lynn was a 53-year-old captain who worked for Jetstar.

But with a COVID lockdown in place, he'd been temporarily stood down.

He lived with his current wife and their children. He was an outdoorsman who enjoyed deer hunting and camping and kept hunting knives, daggers and guns.

He was a member of a few sporting clubs and enjoyed his hobbies and maybe his life would have continued that way if it wasn't for some tiny phone pings.

When Greg Lynn left that clearing, in Victoria's high country. He wound through the mountains, back towards Melbourne.

But he had Russell Hill's phone in his car.

Now, mobile phones constantly send signals to the closest phone towers. That's how we get reception.

And as Greg drove back into range of reception, Russell's phone started pinging off phone towers high in the mountains.

These tiny pings

would be Greg's undoing.

See, one of the first things police do when someone goes missing is to check their phone data.

As Russell Hill's campsite lay smoldering, his phone seemed to be moving along the Great Alpine Road. There was a traffic camera there, so police checked photos from it.

There was one car photographed going through this checkpoint at 9.48am.

at around the same time as the phone pings.

It was a dark-coloured Nissan patrol with a trailer attached to the back.

It was Greg Lynn.

Finally, the police had something to work with.

Two detectives visited Greg at his home in Melbourne's West. When they arrived, they noticed Greg's Nissan patrol parked out the front.

It had the same number plate as the one in their traffic camera photo, but it wasn't dark blue anymore. It was beige.

Interesting, they thought.

They knocked on Greg's door. Playing it casual, they told Greg that he wasn't in any strife.
They were just looking for any witnesses in the case of the missing campers.

And while Greg seemed willing to help, he told police he'd never met Russell or Carol.

Police asked why he'd painted his car.

COVID project with the kids, he told them.

Police were suspicious.

Later, they covertly planted listening devices in Greg's house and car.

They listened and waited.

They heard him talking to himself. They learned he loved the music of Nick Cave

and often quoted his lyrics.

Their notes read, homophobic, narcissistic, a chauvinist, misogynist,

prejudiced.

Eventually, they decided to plant a story in the media, one designed to trap Greg into giving himself away.

They released the traffic camera photo of Greg's Nissen Patrol. It was dark coloured.
It had a trailer attached to the back and it clearly showed a retractable awning.

It worked. Greg saw the story on TV and decided he had to make a better effort to make his car look different.

Six days later, A hidden camera outside Greg's house captured him carrying away the awning that he'd removed from the car.

Police thought that was suspicious too.

Then the bug in his car picked up mutterings that sounded like Greg was depressed, like he might end it all.

They decided they couldn't risk waiting any longer, and they staged a dramatic arrest.

When Greg was back in the high country camping, Special Special Operation Group officers descended in choppers into the remote bushland.

And Greg was brought into the police station for questioning.

This is a recorded interview between Detective Acting Sergeant Brett Florentine Gregory Stewart Lynn.

Greg Lynn, the hunter who likes open spaces, is now trapped in a sparse meeting room at the Sale Police Station.

Most of his face is covered by reading glasses and a COVID mask. Throughout this podcast, we've heard about Greglin's past from other people and from things he directly told police.

But now, we can hear his voice.

I set up camp and that afternoon, I drove the patrol

up the Dry River track.

I went for a gear stalk up this way through a very open,

relatively flat area, just lightly wooded, didn't see any game. Came back, jumped in the patrol, went back to camp.
I just had a night there. So is your camp the one with the toilet block?

There is a toilet

there, but it has a very large Huntsman spider in it, so

I'd like to see that. At least it wasn't a redbag.

As he talks, he points to a large map of the high country. Oh, there's trees all around here.
This is all forest. Yep, yep, yep.

Oh, that's forest.

Big trend above. Yep.
My camp was here.

This is Greg Lynn's account of what happened that day in the high country.

Greg has just set up camp, ready to enjoy a few days alone, hunting in the wilderness. Greg says Russell and Carol pull up in their car, and Russell immediately introduces himself.

He jumped out, he's very jovial, yak-gack, yak-gak, yak. G'day, how are you? At each other, he was quite friendly at the time.
He said he's going to set up camp.

Fine.

Yes, I would have preferred to have it by myself, but it doesn't bother me. I'll camp in with other people like you, anyway.

Greg says the next morning, It's a sunny and clear autumn day. He heads out away from the camp to hunt deer.
He doesn't have any luck.

On the way back to his camp that evening, he hears something strange.

I could hear this buzzing sound.

I stepped on a bee's hive or a wasp nest or something. It was really about it.
I couldn't figure out what it was.

And I looked up and there was a bloody drone right above my head and then whoosh, like,

gone.

As Greg walks further ahead, He spots the same drone, but now it's sitting alone on the grass. Then he sees Russell.

This guy walks out, the controller in hand, the drone sitting on the ground, zips the drone up, and it just hovers there for about 10 seconds, straight back down, puts it under his arm, and took it back to his camp.

What the hell is this? What's going on? Greg says he felt like the drone had been watching him.

Oh yeah, I didn't go and confront him over this straight away. I sat down and I just thought about it for a while.
I was getting my dinner ready.

Then I decided to go and find out what this drone incident is all about. Remember this is Greg's version of events.

Greg says Russell is argumentative

and he said that he didn't like gear hunters and that he had some video footage of me now hunting you know close to the camp and I said I wasn't I was right up the valley but you know he's got pictures of me with the rifle in hand close to the camp.

Russell accuses him of shooting too close to the campsite, which is against the national park rules. I said this is ridiculous and he said, well, you know,

just say that you shot through the camp and I didn't. I think the whole purpose of it was he just wanted me to go.
Anyway, went back to my camp, had my dinner and

guess I was annoyed, didn't do anything about it, but I did turn the stereo up.

and played some loud music, which is a bit of a childish thing to do. Anyway, I had the doors on my patrol open,

playing the loud music. While Greg is blasting music from his car, Greg says Russell walks over and takes Greg's shotgun from the back seat and ammunition from the front.

I confront him, give it back, you know, what are you doing? And he said he was going to take that to the police with him. Russell walks with the shotgun.

back across the dark campground to his own car.

And then when I advanced towards him, he had the magazine in the shotgun at this stage. He pulled the action back and he let a couple of rounds go into the air.

Greg says he crouches in the shadow of Russell's car beside the driver's door, fearing Russell's next move.

Fearing that, you know, it might be going to cut the next one. He moves in closer.
towards the bonnet.

To try and disarm him, I jumped up, I grabbed the shotgun barrel with my right arm, pivoted around so I was facing him, him facing away from the bonnet of the car.

Greg says he grabs the gun so they're facing each other, both holding the gun and wrestling to get control of it. He gives a detailed account of precisely where each of their hands were positioned.

He says the barrel is pointed over Russell's left shoulder. When the gun fires, you wouldn't let it go, it discharged.
It went through the left-hand rear view and killed Ms. Clay dead.

She was shot through the...

the head.

He says the gunshot killed Ms. Clay dead.

She was shot through the head.

Every time I listen to this interview, I'm struck by Greg Lynn's composure.

His clinical, almost robotic, meticulous composure.

Greg says Russell lets go of the shotgun, so he grabs it, fires the last shot into the air, then takes the gun back to his car.

He says when he turns back around, Russell is coming at him with a knife. He advances towards me with the knife in his right hand and a fist clenched in his left.

He first he takes a swing at me with his fist and I block it. So the right? Well the left? Left.
Yeah, so he takes a swing.

Greg recounts the precise choreography of this confrontation.

He stands up and acts it out, with one of the detectives playing the role of Russell.

And then with that, he came

at me with a knife. Yep, I grabbed him, pulled him in, pretending he was still coming at me, and then came down on top of me on the back.
and then went into his chest.

So you've fallen and then the knife's got in his chest.

Right.

I thought, what am I going to do? I went over, Miss Clay was clearly dead. I came back, I checked for a pulse on Mr.
Hill, he was clearly dead.

He checks Carol.

She's dead.

He checks Russell.

No pulse.

One shot in the head. One knifed in the chest.

Two accidents, Greg says, in the space of minutes.

In this moment, Greg doesn't search for help. He doesn't call police.
I thought I'm going to be blamed for this. He makes a quick mental plan and executes it.

He sets fire to Russell and Carol's campsite with some petrol. I tried to remove as much evidence as I could.

It was very messy. That's why I put the tables and things inside the tent.

The gas bottle, I put that in the tent as well. He rummages through the wallets in their car to make it look like a robbery.

Then he gets out of there. I packed up my cam, hitched the trailer, put their bodies in the back, tided it all up as much as I could, left the campsite.
Yes, it was to cover evidence.

I thought I was going to give blame for this.

As I am.

As I am.

He's saying to the police, this interview proves he was right.

He knew he'd be blamed for this. And look, here we are.
Well, I wanted to disguise the whole thing so I wanted to make it

like I had nothing to do with it. He says, I wanted to make it look like I had nothing to do with it.
So he stages the scene. The fire.

The discarded cards from wallets to make it look like a robbery. Removing and destroying evidence.
It's all to cover his tracks. He drives the bodies through the night for hours to a remote bush path.

In here, there's a place where

it's just wide enough to reverse a trailer and get out, and that's where the bodies were placed. However, you won't find any bodies there now.

Why is that?

Because

I'll finish the story.

Greg says he leaves the bodies to the side of the track and covers them with branches. I just wanted it to go away and just move on and just never think about it again.

Greg says he returns to the bodies almost two months later to check they're still there.

Then around six months after that, he's back again.

This time, to get rid of the evidence for good.

He builds a fire to burn Russell and Carol's remains. How much logs and stuff do you put on it?

Surprisingly not that much.

Did you put any accelerant on it? A little bit of kerosene.

Yeah, but not that much.

I clearly had failed to make myself disappear off the radar, so I needed... That was the last thing.
I didn't want to do it.

It was

a horrific thing to have to deal with. I was sick when I was there several times,

but I stealed myself for it and I worked through the night. But I just thought it's just one night, I've got to do it, I've got to finish it, and then it's done.

You'll see where it is if you go there, but you'll find nothing there, there's nothing to be found. It's not going to be much

relief for the families. There's nothing to see,

nothing to be found.

It is what it is.

It is what it is.

I find his tone in this interview chilling.

People deal with and express emotion in different ways, but it's striking how he details the obliteration of two people's bodies as casually as he'd order a coffee.

Greg says that by dawn, the remains are reduced to ash.

Two people are dead.

But Greg Lynn tells the officers he was preoccupied with what it would all mean for him.

In fact, this is the only time in this long interview I notice any hint of emotion. And it's because he'll lose his memberships to sporting clubs, including an elite shooting club.

I finally found that crew that are.

You know, but I really liked spending time with

sporting.

But that'll never happen now.

This is the only time his voice sort of catches, like he's choking up.

Likewise, with my career, that's that's done.

I accept that. It's fine.

But I would just guess that

in an attempt to hide it, I thought I might be able to

just move on and continue

with

my life, my family, my career, and these new sporting hopes that I really enjoy. I've just been trying to keep my head down and

just move on with life and just forget about it, but

obviously I can't

and it's caught up with me.

Watching this interview, you get the sense that Greg feels like he's driving it and that he's given the detectives all the answers they need.

I think you'll find that the evidence that you'll have will tick every one of those boxes. He's clinical.
He says he's given police everything they need to rule this in accident and to move on.

He seems to feel like he's in control of the narrative and he's ticked all the boxes.

But police don't buy Greg Lynn's story. Greg, you're going to be charged with the murders of Russell Hill and Carol Clay.
Do you wish to say anything in answer to that charge? I'm innocent of murder.

I haven't behaved well. I've made some poor decisions.

But murderer, as I understand it, I am innocent of.

Greg Lynn's arrest hits the news. His face floods the TV.
It's online. People are talking about the pilot charged with murdering elderly campers in the high country.
Greg Lynn. Greg Lynn.

Greg Lynn, a hobby deer hunter. Greg Lynn from Caroline Springs.
Greg Lynn, the commercial pilot. Could a jury believe Greg Lynn's story that two people died in two separate accidents?

And the news reaches Lisa Lynn's friends. And I said, oh my god, it is him.
I could feel a wave of kind of shock and sickness.

I was

breathless and I collapsed onto my kitchen bench and my partner thought I was having a heart attack. Straight away thought

oh yeah he did it. Absolutely.

They watch from Mount Macedon and from Tasmania. as his murder trial begins.
Mr. Lynn, a former Jetstar pilot, has pleaded not guilty to two charges of murder.

The trial could run for up to six weeks and hear from about 100 witnesses.

On the corner of William and Lonsdale Streets in Melbourne, CBD, sits Victoria's Supreme Court. Lawyers in wigs, reporters, and sticky beaks all cram into Court 3.

Greg's wife and one of his adult sons come to court every day to watch the trial.

And so do I.

I watch for five weeks as this case unfolds.

Greg Lynn entered the Supreme Court. His wife and son were also there.
Then came lawyers for the defence and the prosecution, all ready for the highly anticipated double murder trial to finally begin.

Greg Lynn sits in the dock. His court uniform is a black suit, blue shirt, silver tie.

He usually wears reading glasses and scribbles notes. which go into a yellow folder that he brings with him each day.

I have heard this can be a strategy. Lawyers tell their client to take notes so they have something to do instead of sitting there awkwardly or staring down the jury.

Greg's face never gives much away. The prosecutor tells the jury that Greg's story is elaborate fiction, carefully developed and rehearsed over 20 months.

He tells the jury, Only someone who knows he's a murderer would stage the cover-up he did.

That cover-up included burning Russell and Carol's tent and belongings, staging the scene as a robbery, taking their phones, drone and car key, repainting his car, selling his trailer, and finally, the most damning, burning their bodies.

There's something unique about this trial. A defendant who admits to almost everything,

even down to the angle of the bullet that killed Carol Clay.

So this entire case boils down to just one thing.

Intent.

Did he mean to kill them?

For this case, there's not a lot of physical evidence because Greg destroyed most of it. So much of this trial rests on his word alone.

Lisa's friends are glued to the news. Doesn't speak very hard of me, but I just wanted to see him get us come up and...

Greg Quenneville comes in person person to the Supreme Court to watch the trial. He and his wife Heather were close with Lisa.
Heather was even godmother to one of Lisa's boys.

Greg Quenneville is the one who told me that Greg Lynn made every encounter about power.

I wanted to see if he was still the same person that I thought so poorly of many

a long time ago. Towards the end of the trial, Greg Lynn takes the stand.

He's decided to give evidence.

This is rare. Defendants rarely do it, as it exposes them to cross-examination where they can make mistakes.

But this move doesn't surprise Greg and Heather Quenneville.

We both said, didn't we? Of course. Of course he's arrogant to do that.
Absolutely. Yeah, but he's arrogant.

Who's better?

at explaining him, you know, than he is? Like, just this arrogance.

At first in the witness box, Greg's evidence is solid and doesn't waver, even down to the precise position of his hands, as he says he's fighting Russell over the gun and then over the knife.

The precise choreography of these tussles, which would have happened so fast. Watching on in the courtroom, Greg Quenneville felt that was suspicious.

The way he was spinning the story without apparent effort, and yet you knew it was. a complete fabrication.
But clearly he had rehearsed it in his mind for quite a, you know, for three years.

But when Greg Lynn is not driving the story, when he's being drilled in cross-examination, at times he seems a little rattled.

How did Russell choose the right ammo? Because there were two sets of ammunition on Greg's front seat.

How did Russell know how to load a stranger's gun? And even if he figured that out, why would Russell, who was anti-hunting, take a stranger's gun and recklessly fire bullets into the air?

If they were tussling where they did, how did they avoid getting tangled up in a tent rope that was right there?

Greglyn had answers for these questions, but they seemed less certain and sometimes contradictory or unsatisfying.

With the rope, he said it didn't get in the way of the struggle. First he said he didn't see any rope.
Then he thought maybe it had been pushed out of the way.

With the gun, Greg said Russell could have worked out which ammo it took because bullets are clearly different sizes.

One of the biggest questions for me was how did Russell Hill manage to stab himself in the chest?

In his police interview, Greg said during the struggle, they fell to the ground and Russell landed on top of him.

But Greg Quenneville doesn't buy it.

He was trying to say he couldn't fight Russell Hill

because he was weaker than Russell Hill. And yet, they never explored the fact, the testified fact, that he lifted their bodies into the trailer, you know, dead bodies,

which is not a task for a weakling.

The jury deliberates for six days. Then we hear it's reached a verdict.
And everyone floods back into court three.

A hush falls.

I can hear my own pulse in my ears.

Then the verdict is read out.

On the murder of Russell Hill?

Not guilty.

Greg is acquitted.

On the murder of Carol Clay?

Guilty.

It's finally over.

Exactly how the jury reached its decision, we'll never know.

But its verdict means it didn't believe Greg's narrative about the deaths being two accidents.

It didn't believe that lightning could strike twice, in the same place, in such short succession.

Greg and Heather Quenneville tell me they think Carolyn Russell, sadly,

have a lot in common with Lisa Lynn.

We think of it as Lisa had an accident. She accidentally stumbled across a psychopath and set in train a series of events that would end in her death.

At his sentencing hearing, the devastation left in Greg Lynn's wake is laid bare in victim impact statements.

Carol's daughter Emma Davies reads hers to the court. She takes a deep breath and steadies herself.
She says,

He destroyed nearly all the evidence, but it's not just evidence.

He destroyed my mother.

I refuse to let her legacy be that of a murder victim. I need to honour my mum.

She taught me that women are strong, that women are leaders, and that women's voices are critical and need to be heard.

There's no such thing as closure in a case like this. But for the family of Russell Hill,

they won't even come anywhere close to resolution.

Greg Lynn was acquitted of Russell's murder, so the court can't even hear victim impact statements from his loved ones.

It's a brutal reality that causes even the judge to choke up during his sentencing remarks.

Justice Croucher brushes at his eye under his glasses and says, I should acknowledge their plight. their agony and their suffering.
And I do.

Justice Croucher sentences Greg Lynn to 32 years in jail with a non-parole period of 24 years.

There was an audible gasp in the courtroom. Reporters rush out of the court to file their stories.
And I catch the ABC's court reporter, Kristen Silver.

And I looked over at the families of Carol Clay and Russell Hill, and they were in shock. This 32-year sentence is seven years more than the standard sentence for murder.

We were sitting at opposite ends of the court and probably got really different views of that critical moment.

So I looked up to the public gallery, which was all up on a second level. So none of them could actually see Greg Lynn for that moment.

And there were people craning their necks, there were people standing up. Greg doesn't react to the sentence.
Just a quick eyebrow raise. He's been neutral all trial.

On his way out of the courtroom, Greg Lynn's lawyer told the media that he'd appeal against his conviction. They're basically going to say, in a nutshell, the jury got it wrong.

That's the simplest way to summarise it. And they're saying that because, in the defense's opinion, there's no way that you can find Lynn guilty of shooting Carol Clay, but not guilty.

of killing Russell Hill. This split verdict is kind of an in-between result.

So if it's a verdict that's not particularly consistent with the prosecution view, not particularly consistent with the defence view, then what is it?

The Court of Appeal will decide whether to hear this argument and others from Greg Lynn's defence team. It could dismiss the appeal or accept it, and it could order a retrial.

I was really keen to hear what Brendan Hickman made of the murder trial. He was the detective who studied the scene of Lisa Lynn's death, who didn't think it looked suspicious.

So, has this trial changed Brendan's mind about that investigation back in 1999?

In a word, no. I'm satisfied that what we did at the time was all we could do with the facts and circumstances at the time.

If you were to say then in 25 years time, this is going to happen to two campers in the bush. And this guy who thinks his Rambo is going to do this and that.

Well, you might change your mind to how you look at it then, but you don't have that. Do I think personally personally he could have been involved back then?

I do, but I just know there was no way of proving it at the time and there probably still wouldn't be now.

I still think that the scene matched what the coroner said, and that is that it appeared that she'd been drinking heavily and had taken some medication.

If he was involved in that, how he executed that,

it wouldn't be impossible, but it would be...

More likely than not, I think that she died through misadventure. I asked Brendan, what about the history of domestic violence in Greg and Lisa's relationship?

The pattern of death threats, the intervention order that Lisa took out just seven months before her death. Should all that have had more influence on the initial investigation?

In hindsight now, it's easy to say, oh, more should have been done about that, but perhaps at the time,

you know, if he answers those allegations adequately, where do you go then? That's a good point.

It's very easy for me to say, you know, she'd been getting constant death threats, then she winds up dead. Why wasn't Greg Lynn looked into more?

And, well, certainly the scene was looked into, and

it was,

and I'd still say this, even with the hindsight of what I know now, what I saw then,

the relevant action was taken, or the appropriate action was taken.

It's important to point out here that Brendan wasn't in charge of this investigation. He was just called in to give advice and assistance.

Brendan always comes back to this.

At the scene of Lisa's death, he could only go by what he saw. I've always said that, and even then to colleagues, I've said, look,

there was always a possibility that he could have done this, but there's just no physical evidence. Greg Lynn is now a convicted murderer.

A man who admitted to staging the scene to erase himself from the picture.

And since he was arrested, Victoria Police has decided Lisa Lynn's death deserves another look, a harder look.

A spokesperson from Victoria Police told me that Lisa's death is the subject of an active investigation, and as such, it wouldn't be appropriate to comment.

It says this new investigation came about partly because of information provided to police about Lisa's death. What we do know is the police have been interviewing people again.

It'll be up to the coroner to decide whether to open an inquest.

And if the coroner thinks someone else was involved in Lisa's death, the matter can be referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions for consideration of criminal charges.

Lisa's friends hope an inquest might deal with their lingering questions.

Hopefully to get some justice for her and her family and friends. And

yeah, to show people that she was just a special special person that didn't deserve any of this. As I've said before, we wanted to hear Greg Lynn's side of this story.

We asked Corrections Victoria if our questions could be passed on to him in prison, but our request was declined. We also tried for months to find someone who could speak on his behalf.

One man who knew Greg well, but wasn't willing to be interviewed, said Greg will now be blamed for every murder since 1950.

This friend puts the negative stories you've heard about Greg down to the Mastodon crowd that didn't like him.

I also reached out to Greg and Lisa's sons, but I didn't hear back.

We started this series by asking how Greg Lynn was able to murder someone and burn the bodies of two people.

We wanted to know, were there signs? Were there red flags?

No one could have predicted that Greg Lynn would commit murder in the high country,

but the signs of his cruelty were there, all along.

His cruelty was practised and honed for years on Lisa.

Greglyn was verbally and physically abusive towards Lisa. He demeaned and belittled her.
He kept her in a state of fear.

It seems like Greglin was desperate for control, desperate to control the narrative, desperate to be right.

It seemed that way in his marriage with Lisa, and later in his interview with detectives about the missing campers.

He liked to be in control and that need was there all along.

Some of Lisa's friends told me they'd wished they'd done more for Lisa, that they wished they'd known how bad things were. since so much of what Greg did happened behind closed doors.

But Lisa's friends did show up for her, even when there was just a hint that something was amiss. They kept asking questions.

When she was scared, they drove over to check the house. They stayed on her couch.

They came to her aid when Greg broke in. They comforted her when Greg killed her pet pig.

They listened with a cup of tea when she needed support.

And now,

Even after she's been gone so many years,

her friends are still asking questions.

They're still in Lisa's corner.

There's so much that needs to be rethought

and if we don't tell Lisa's story, no one else is going to. We all didn't understand exactly what

What went on in that house for all those years.

I think she was physically and mentally abused. I know she was mentally abused by the phone calls, but and by the manipulation, his manipulative behaviour.
Her death is unresolved.

For me, I think we all played a very, very big part in not recognising domestic violence nearly soon enough.

Yeah, I'll always wonder how she died. I

don't believe she was ready to... The look on her face, she wasn't ready to go.

That's the memory I have of her.

Thanks to all of Lisa's friends for the time they've taken and the bravery they've shown in telling her story.

We thought this was going to be the last episode of Huntsman for now, but we've just received some big news. So now we're making another episode to fill you in.

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This season of Unravel is hosted and reported by me, Rachel Brown.

We've been making this story on Gadigal, Wurundjeri and Wadawurung Land. This story was developed in collaboration with the ABC's regional investigations team under editor Edwina Farley.

Research and production by Charlotte King, Andy Burns and Ayla Darling. Our supervising producer is Yasmin Parry.

Sound design and additional music by Hamish Kemilleri. Theme and additional music by Martin Peralta and Ashley Cadell.
And our executive producer is Tim Roxburgh.

Hi, Jules and Jez here, and every week on Not Stupid, we unpack the news of the week.

I like to see when people change their minds because it makes me, just as a normal person, feel like I'm not the only one who exercises a degree of self-doubt every single day.

Self-doubt, it's a fine thing. That's our takeaway today.

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