Trump and Ukraine, Kremlin's View, California Redistricting

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Speaker 3 Fresh off two high-stakes summits, President Trump is planning more to try and end the war in Ukraine.

Speaker 4 We're gonna make sure that if there's peace, the peace is gonna stay long-term.

Speaker 1 Can this series of meetings lead to viable peace?

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Speaker 3 Moscow is keeping a close eye on the discussions which cross some Russian red lines such as having European troops in Ukraine to provide security guarantees.

Speaker 3 So how might President Vladimir Putin react to the latest developments?

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Speaker 1 President Trump has revealed his latest plans to end the war in Ukraine.

Speaker 3 In a post on his truth social network, Trump said he was setting up a direct meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky that would then be followed by talks between the two leaders and Trump.

Speaker 3 Now, the date and location are still unclear.

Speaker 3 That message followed a meeting at the White House on Monday where Trump hosted Zelensky and seven European leaders to make progress on ending the war Russia launched in Ukraine.

Speaker 4 Well, we're going to work with Ukraine, we're going to work with everybody, and we're going to make sure that if there's peace, the peace is going to stay long term.

Speaker 3 You remember just days earlier, Trump met Putin in Alaska.

Speaker 1 NPR White House correspondent Danielle Kurtz Laban has been following all of this and is here to break it down for us. Good morning, Danielle.

Speaker 8 Hey, good morning.

Speaker 1 So what stood out to you with these White House broker talks?

Speaker 8 Well, first of all, it's just remarkable to have such a big group of world leaders come together on short notice, no less. And those leaders, they talked for hours yesterday.

Speaker 8 Trump and Zelensky met on their own, and then the other European leaders joined for talks. It was a scheduled meeting in the East Room that then carried on later in the Oval Office.

Speaker 8 One other thing that stands out to me, though, now that it's over, is that The White House is trying to create the sense of momentum here.

Speaker 8 Immediately afterwards, Trump said he spoke with Putin and that he had already started planning for Putin and Zelensky to beat face-to-face and that trilateral meeting you mentioned.

Speaker 1 Okay, and Ukraine and Europe want security guarantees to keep the peace in Ukraine if there's a deal. What progress did the leaders make on that?

Speaker 8 Well, we know leaders discussed this. Afterward, Trump said a guarantee would involve, as he put it, coordination from the U.S., but he didn't say specifically what that would mean.

Speaker 8 It's hard to know what to think of that without details. Trump also said yesterday that Putin is open to a guarantee.
But again, we don't know what Russia is open to here.

Speaker 8 So a lot is up in the air there. But another thing the leaders discussed is the return of Ukrainian prisoners held in Russia, including children.
And Trump said he thinks Putin is open to that.

Speaker 1 Danielle, another central issue here is a ceasefire. At first, President Trump was pushing for an immediate ceasefire before any talks.
Then he did an about-face after his meeting with Putin.

Speaker 1 And now he's been saying that he thinks they should just get into talks to work out a full peace deal. Did we hear more about this?

Speaker 8 We heard a bit. We heard that Ukraine wants a ceasefire before further talks.
And you did have Chancellor Meritz of Germany and French President Macron really push for that.

Speaker 8 Now, without a ceasefire, Ukraine is concerned that Russia could drag out the war, continue its attacks on Ukraine, even as peace deal talks continue.

Speaker 8 Trump, for his part, though, said yesterday that he doesn't oppose a ceasefire, but also that it's not necessary.

Speaker 1 And what about the issue of land? Did the leaders discuss the possibility of Ukraine giving up land that Russia illegally took or occupies?

Speaker 8 Well, at least in their public remarks, Trump was the only one who mentioned it, saying that Ukraine and Russia needed to talk about that based on the, quote, current line of contact.

Speaker 8 Now, land is a very contentious issue in these talks. Russia already annexed Crimea in 2014 and now wants more of eastern Ukraine, which Zelensky opposes.

Speaker 1 Speaking of contentious issues, I didn't see the berating of Zelensky that we saw back in February when he came to the White House.

Speaker 8 Right. Yes, you did not have Zelensky and Trump get into any arguments.
In fact, this meeting, Zelensky seemed to be deliberately showing deference, thanking Trump repeatedly.

Speaker 8 He also wore a suit, which is something that Trump said that he liked.

Speaker 1 And Pierre's Danielle Kurtzlaben. Thank you, Danielle.

Speaker 8 Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 Now we turn to Moscow to hear how the negotiations might look to Russian eyes.

Speaker 3 As we heard, President Trump and Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky discuss whether Western powers could provide any security guarantees to guard against another Russian invasion.

Speaker 1 Joining us to talk about what was agreed to is NPR's Russia correspondent, Charles Mainz. Good morning, Charles.

Speaker 7 Morning, Leila.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's start with this idea of security guarantees for Ukraine. How can we expect that will be received by the Kremlin?

Speaker 7 You know, well, hammering out the contours of these security agreements for Ukraine is seen by the West as key to any future peace deal. And Trump began by saying that Putin was on board with it.

Speaker 9 In a very significant step, President Putin agreed that Russia would accept security guarantees for Ukraine, and this is one of the key points that we need to consider.

Speaker 7 And now, Trump has said that that could involve Europe taking on a lot of the burden. That's a quote, but with some American support, which is obviously quite vague.

Speaker 7 So we heard several proposals out yesterday. Some argued that Ukraine

Speaker 7 should have what's called NATO-like Article 5 protections, the idea that an armed attack against one would be considered an attack against all.

Speaker 7 Others were calling for Western boots on the ground as peace monitors. But would that include, for example, American troops? We don't know at this point.

Speaker 7 One slightly more concrete security guarantee, President Zelensky of Ukraine confirmed that a Financial Times report that Kiev wants to buy $100 billion, that's with a B, dollars in American weapons for its own future defense.

Speaker 1 Now, Trump and Zelensky are calling for direct talks with Vladimir Putin. What's the Kremlin saying?

Speaker 7 Yeah, you know, as Danielle mentioned, in the middle of yesterday's talks, Trump broke off for a phone call in Moscow with Putin, where Trump says Putin agreed to meet with Zelensky and also in this trilateral meeting.

Speaker 7 Now, late last night, Putin's aide, Yuri Ushakov, confirmed Putin and Trump had talked for some 40 minutes.

Speaker 7 And Ushakov said, and I'll quote here, the possibility of raising the level of direct contacts between Moscow and Kiev was discussed. So you can take that however you like.

Speaker 7 Zelensky later gave his version in more succinct terms. Let's listen.

Speaker 7 So here, Zelensky said Russia had called for a one-on-one meeting with Putin and Zelensky before a follow-on meeting that would include Trump as well.

Speaker 7 And Zelensky had accepted. He said that

Speaker 7 only on the level of leaders could the most painful and important issues be discussed.

Speaker 7 And this presumably would mean these discussions about possible future land concessions or swaps, in President Trump's words, as well as the return of prisoners and children abducted by Russia.

Speaker 7 But in terms of when, where, that's all to be determined. Germany's chancellor said it could happen by the end of the month.

Speaker 1 And how do you see these demands going over in Moscow?

Speaker 7 Well, you know, as we heard, Trump says Putin is open to security guarantees for Ukraine, but I think one thing we've seen time and time again is that Trump is moving fast and operating in broad agreements, whereas Putin likes to zero in on details, which slows the process down.

Speaker 7 Critics would say, by design, so the fighting can continue. I will say I heard a lot of red lines from Russian red lines in the discussions in Washington yesterday.

Speaker 7 You know, this idea of European troops on the ground in Ukraine, well, Russia's ruled that out categorically.

Speaker 2 Talk of Article 5-like status for Ukraine.

Speaker 7 Well, Ukraine's desire to join NATO was one of the reasons Putin launched the full-scale invasion in the first place.

Speaker 7 And even Zelensky's calls for arms sales would seem to fly in the face of Putin's demands for Ukraine's demilitarization. So we'll see.

Speaker 7 But there's a lot of skepticism here, both from analysts and even pro-war nationalists, that Putin would or even could bend on these issues.

Speaker 1 That's NPR's Charles Mainz in Moscow. Thank you, Charles.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 3 The national fight over redistricting is escalating, and lawmakers in Texas and California are back to work in their state capitals.

Speaker 1 Texas Democrats returned after fleeing this state for two weeks. They were stalling a newly drawn congressional map driven by President Trump.

Speaker 1 It was loud yesterday as they entered the House chambers in Austin, and supporters cheered them on.

Speaker 3 One reason they're back, California. Democrats from the Golden State have released a map to counter Texas.
It could lead to five more Democratic seats in the U.S.

Speaker 3 House to offset the expected five new Republican seats in Texas. With us this morning, to break it all down, is Laura Fitzgerald with Cap Radio in Sacramento.

Speaker 3 So Laura, what do we know so far about the new map in California?

Speaker 10 So like you mentioned, A, it aims to flip five congressional districts that Republicans hold in California. And it puts together somewhat unlikely areas.

Speaker 10 For example, one one district would include communities in Modoc County, all the way up north near the Oregon border, with Marin County, which is way down near San Francisco.

Speaker 10 Those are two very politically different regions. And under this proposal, they'd have the same congressional representative.

Speaker 10 Democrats here say the plan is to vote on the map this week, and then this will go to the voters so that they can have the final say in November.

Speaker 3 Yeah, MODOC and Marin are as different as anything could possibly be. So, okay, how are Republicans responding?

Speaker 10 Well, Republicans strongly oppose the measure.

Speaker 10 And just some context here, the reason why California is going to the voters is because the Independent Redistricting Commission that we have here is in our state constitution.

Speaker 10 So Republicans are criticizing Democrats for sidelining that. Here's the Assembly's Republican minority leader, James Gallagher, talking about that at a press conference at the Capitol yesterday.

Speaker 11 We should not abandon the principle of fair and independent redistricting here in California just for political expediency. But that is exactly what these maps do.

Speaker 10 California's Republican congressional delegation has also spoken out against the bill. Republicans hold nine out of the state's 52 congressional seats.
One of them is Congressman Kevin Kiley.

Speaker 10 He's actually introduced legislation in Congress to ban mid-decade redistricting nationwide. That would include the GOP-led effort in Texas.

Speaker 10 It's important to note here also that his district east of Sacramento is one of the five that could become bluer under the proposal.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so what are you watching next?

Speaker 10 Well, this proposal is on a tight timeline. The new map was just released late last week on Friday evening, and the measure was formally introduced yesterday at the Capitol.

Speaker 10 In order to get this in front of voters in November, lawmakers have to pass the bill by a two-thirds vote this week.

Speaker 10 Democrats do hold a supermajority in California's state legislature, so that passage is likely. After that, voters will weigh in on November 4th.

Speaker 10 Governor Governor Gavin Newsom and Democratic lawmakers and the state's organized labor leaders, they've already launched a campaign for the measure, urging voters to support it before lawmakers have even sent it to the ballot.

Speaker 10 And meanwhile, Republicans are threatening to file lawsuits challenging the ballot measure.

Speaker 10 And one more thing, Democrats here say they will back down on the redistricting fight if Texas and other red states do too.

Speaker 3 Any indication about how California voters feel about this?

Speaker 10 You know, there's some early polling out there that shows that there's a slight majority of Californians that do view this favorably, but it's still very early in the process.

Speaker 3 All right, that's Laura Fitzgerald, political reporter with Cap Radio in Sacramento. Laura, thanks.

Speaker 10 Thank you, A.

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