Trump's Epstein Reversal, US Military Pressure On Venezuela, Charlotte Border Patrol

Speaker 1 President Trump was on the verge of losing a vote over the Epstein files. Then he flipped to say he favors the vote to release information about the convicted sex offender.

Speaker 2 He didn't say the Justice Department will release the files, so why the flip-flop?

Speaker 1 I'm Steve Inscape with A. Martinez, and this is up first from NPR News.

Speaker 1 The U.S. military presence in the Caribbean got much larger over the weekend.

Speaker 3 We may be having some discussions with Maduro.

Speaker 1 The The president says Venezuela's president would like to talk, even as the U.S. sends its largest warships toward its coast.

Speaker 2 And border agents spread across Charlotte, North Carolina this week, and residents say they were picking people at random.

Speaker 4 You really need to go outside for an emergency. If you try to stay, just stay home.

Speaker 2 Be safe. The raids caught local officials off guard.
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Speaker 2 President Trump abruptly reversed his opinion about a vote on the Epstein files.

Speaker 1 Trump now says he is in favor of a vote to release information about the convicted sex offender who was his friend for years. The president and his allies in Congress resisted this vote for months.

Speaker 1 It now seems that many Republicans will join Democrats in voting against the president, so last night the president raced to get in front of that defeat, saying he approves of the vote and quote, we have nothing to hide.

Speaker 1 Notably, the House is voting for the Justice Department that Trump controls to release whatever information it has, which Trump's Attorney General previously declined to do.

Speaker 2 NPR's Luke Garrett is with us. Trump is now telling Republicans they should vote to tell him to act Luke.
Why change now?

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's right. And we need to go back a few days to better understand this move and this moment.

Speaker 7 Last week, Representatives Thomas Massey of Kentucky, a Republican, and RoCanna of California, a Democrat, gathered 218 signatures.

Speaker 7 That's enough to force a vote on the release of the DOG documents regarding the late convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 7 And a source familiar but not authorized to share the House schedule publicly confirmed that Speaker Johnson would bring this vote up on Tuesday.

Speaker 7 This teed up a really difficult vote for Republicans who had to decide whether to vote with Trump and against the bill or vote to release the Epstein files.

Speaker 7 And this was also tough for Trump himself, who faced dozens of potential defectors.

Speaker 2 All right, so if the the vote is on Tuesday, why did Trump make this Sunday late night announcement?

Speaker 7 Well, in a social media post last night, Trump said he wanted the GOP to move on from what he called the Democratic hoax and distraction.

Speaker 7 And notably, on the Sunday morning news shows, two House Republicans publicly and loudly rebuked Trump over the Epstein files.

Speaker 7 On ABC News, Massey took a warning shot against Trump's legacy and any GOP member willing to vote against this bill.

Speaker 8 In 2030, he's not going to be the president, and you will have voted to protect pedophiles if you don't vote to release these files, and the president can't protect you.

Speaker 7 Massey then said he believed 100 or more House Republicans would vote for the Epstein file bill, even though only a handful signed on to force the ballot.

Speaker 2 Wasn't one of them Georgia Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene?

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's right. And Trump recently called her a traitor and revoked his political endorsement from her after she became more critical of his policies.

Speaker 6 When asked why she and Trump had this falling out, Greene told CNN, Unfortunately, it has all come down to the Epstein files, and that is shocking.

Speaker 7 Now, both Massey and Green said they don't believe Trump himself will be implicated in the files, but these public breaks with the president represented a growing and powerful fissure in the party.

Speaker 2 Okay, so now that Trump is telling all Republicans to vote for the Epstein file bill, what happens now?

Speaker 7 Well, my sources say the House vote is still set for Tuesday.

Speaker 7 And with Trump giving Republicans permission to support it and every Democrat signing the discharge petition, this bill has a really good chance of advancing.

Speaker 7 In the Senate, it remains unclear if and when Majority Leader John Thune will bring this up for a vote.

Speaker 7 But again, Trump's endorsement of the bill, you know, does not hurt, and Thune has said in the last few weeks, you know, he likes this idea of greater transparency.

Speaker 7 But even if it passes through Congress and the White House, lawmakers Massey and Khanna were warning yesterday that the files might still be kept from the public.

Speaker 2 So, after all that, how could that be possible?

Speaker 7 Well, Massey and Khanna raised alarm over the new Justice Department investigation into the Epstein case, something it declined to do a few months back. Trump referenced this in his post last night.

Speaker 7 He said his DOJ is, quote, looking at various Democrat operatives, Bill Clinton, Reid Hoffman, Larry Summers, etc., and their relationships to Epstein, end quote.

Speaker 7 Massey told ABC News that these investigations could mask the documents further.

Speaker 8 If they have ongoing investigations in certain areas, those documents can't be released. So this might be a big smokescreen.

Speaker 7 The Justice Department has not yet responded to my request for comment on whether an investigation would, in fact, bar them from releasing these documents, even if the law told them to do so.

Speaker 2 That's NPR's Luke Garrett. Luke, thanks a lot.

Speaker 7 You bet.

Speaker 2 The Trump administration is putting more pressure on Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro.

Speaker 2 Over the weekend, the U.S.'s most advanced aircraft carrier arrived in the Caribbean, joining nearly a dozen other naval warships that are already there.

Speaker 1 The president has been weighing military options against Venezuela, and he told reporters last night that Maduro appears ready to talk.

Speaker 3 We may be having some discussions with Maduro,

Speaker 3 and we'll see how that turns out.

Speaker 2 So, Kerry, what has Maduro said about the buildup off the coast of Venezuela?

Speaker 9 Over the weekend, he gathered supporters and he announced this plan to rally civilians to defend Venezuela against attack. But listen to this: he told the crowd he just wants peace, peace, peace.

Speaker 3 Peace, peace, peace.

Speaker 3 Acer todo por la paz.

Speaker 9 Everything for peace, he says, like the John Lennon song, Imagine, which he then began to sing in English.

Speaker 9 Yesterday, the U.S. said it will designate the Cartel de los Soles, which they claim Maduro leads as a foreign terrorist organization.
Maduro denies he's a trafficker.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that designation would allow the U.S. military to target Maduro's assets in Venezuela.
So what are people in Venezuela saying about any imminent U.S. strike?

Speaker 9 Well, the thing is, I can't get into the country. We've been asking for a visa for months, and I'm waiting here in neighboring Colombia with our latest ask.

Speaker 9 The country's opposition leader, though, Maria Corina Machado, she put out quite an an interesting message yesterday urging Maduro's security apparatus to defy his orders.

Speaker 9 She says, lower your arms, don't attack your people. She says, the decisive hour in Venezuela's liberation is coming, and she urged people to be heroes.

Speaker 9 Machado has been living in hiding since last year's elections that were widely condemned, and many, including the USA, were stolen by Maduro.

Speaker 9 But there's a lot of talk now that she actually left the country and is on her way to Oslo to accept the Nobel Peace Prize next month. It's unclear if she will be allowed back in the country.

Speaker 2 Now, you were just in Ecuador yesterday. That's neighboring Venezuela and Colombia.
Where voters there rejected a referendum that would have let the U.S.

Speaker 2 set up military bases to fight against drug traffickers. Why the no vote?

Speaker 9 It was really a bit of a surprise given just the surge in drug gang-related violence there. It's just overtaken that country.
And multiple Trump officials have been visiting Ecuador recently.

Speaker 9 They've been backing the young conservative president there, who is a staunch Trump ally. The measure included rewriting the constitution.

Speaker 9 And for many, like this no voter, Rosita Gucci Millo, a 48-year-old homemaker in Quito, this was really a no-confidence vote for President Daniel Noboa. She says we just don't trust him anymore.

Speaker 9 She says he'll rewrite the Constitution to favor himself, and she didn't want to give the U.S. what she said would have been a blank check.

Speaker 2 That's NPR's Carrie Kahn in Boata, Columbia. Carrie, thanks.

Speaker 9 You're welcome.

Speaker 1 Border Patrol agents fanned out across Charlotte, North Carolina over the weekend, detaining people outside supermarkets, laundromats, auto shops, even a church.

Speaker 2 It's the latest city to see a federal immigration crackdown. Similar operations came in Chicago and Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 Nick DeLaCanal Canal with memberization WFAE has been following this and joins us once again. Nick, welcome back.
Thank you. What's it like to be around Charlotte right now?

Speaker 11 Well, we started to see this crackdown Saturday morning when the city woke up to dozens of Border Patrol agents driving through Charlotte in unmarked vans, especially along the city's major immigrant corridors.

Speaker 11 And very quickly, videos started circulating online of agents chasing people down sidewalks, breaking the car window of a man who later said he was a U.S. citizen.

Speaker 11 Agents were also filmed questioning landscapers who were putting up Christmas lights in a front yard. And, you know, it created a lot of chaos.

Speaker 11 One of the people I spoke with was Jessica Arias, who owns an auto shop in East Charlotte. And she says one of her employees was detained after agents pulled up and chased him.

Speaker 10 They just came around.

Speaker 10 They are picking people around. They are not here for

Speaker 10 delinquents. They are here for working people.

Speaker 11 And then that sense of chaos really continued on into Sunday when a man was hospitalized hospitalized for a medical episode as agents were trying to detain him outside of church.

Speaker 1 Very interested by those details, questioning people who are working,

Speaker 1 breaking the window of someone who says he's a U.S. citizen.
But what is Customs and Border Protection saying about all this?

Speaker 11 Well, Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino said agents arrested 81 people on Saturday. We're still waiting on numbers from Sunday.
What we don't know is who these people are.

Speaker 11 The agency hasn't released names or charges.

Speaker 11 Bovino has shared photos on social media of some of the people people arrested saying they had DUIs or criminal histories, but he hasn't identified them, so we really can't say for sure.

Speaker 11 Meanwhile, the Department of Homeland Security put out a statement saying it surged agents to Charlotte to, quote, ensure Americans are safe and safety threats are removed.

Speaker 1 Ensuring Americans are safe. So when you talk to residents, are they feeling safe?

Speaker 11 Well, the residents I spoke with, especially in immigrant communities, say they are very fearful right now.

Speaker 11 You know, I was walking down Central Avenue on Saturday, which is lined with Hispanic businesses. I saw restaurants lock their doors with customers inside.

Speaker 11 Other shops closed early and sent workers home. Some people told me that they're essentially going into hiding.
I talked with a construction worker, Lopez Nunez, outside of Walmart on Sunday.

Speaker 11 He said he's keeping his undocumented wife and newborn home for the week.

Speaker 4 You really need to go outside

Speaker 4 for an emergency. If you try to stay, just stay home.
be safe and don't open the door for like for eyes

Speaker 11 and in a joint statement Charlotte Mayor Vilisle said agents were causing unnecessary fear and that she stands with residents who want to simply go about their lives.

Speaker 1 So what is the broader plan of immigration authorities here as far as you know?

Speaker 11 We don't really know. We don't know how long this operation will last.
DHS hasn't said. We are seeing some community pushback.

Speaker 11 You know, there was a big protest in Uptown on Saturday, and advocacy groups are recruiting volunteers to monitor agents. We've already seen some tense confrontations between activists and agents.

Speaker 11 And so I think what we can expect is for the tension to grow for as long as this operation continues.

Speaker 1 Nick De La Canal of Member Station WFAE, thanks for the update.

Speaker 11 Thank you.

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