Trump Defends Saudi Prince, Epstein Bill Passes, Trump Low Approval Rating

Speaker 1 President Trump defended the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia when asked about the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Speaker 2 Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen, but he knew nothing about it.

Speaker 4 That moment overshadowed a day of billion-dollar agreements.

Speaker 1 I'm Leila Faldil with A. Martinez, and this is Up First from NPR News.

Speaker 1 Congress passed a bill to force the release of the Epstein files. Trump says he will sign it, but one survivor criticized his earlier efforts to bury the documents.

Speaker 5 It is not about you, President Trump. I voted for you, but your behavior on this issue has been a national embarrassment.

Speaker 1 So, what comes next, and how much will the Justice Department redact?

Speaker 4 And a new NPR Maris poll shows major political warning signs for the president. We'll hear about what the public wants him to focus on.
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Speaker 4 Sitting beside Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in the Oval Office yesterday, President Trump dismissed a question about the 2018 killing of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Speaker 2 You don't have to embarrass our guests by asking a question like

Speaker 1 that. U.S.
intelligence found that the Saudi Crown Prince approved the operation that led to Khashoggi's dismemberment and killing. He denies any personal involvement.

Speaker 1 The exchange highlights a tension with Saudi Arabia, an important ally in the Middle East East that stretches beyond the current administration.

Speaker 4 Here to discuss the visit is NPR White House correspondent Danielle Kurtzlaban. Danielle, that was quite the exchange.

Speaker 6 It really was. And to explain it, it started during an Oval Office meeting when a journalist asked the Crown Prince about Khashoggi and also about 9-11.

Speaker 6 The journalist noted that there are families of 9-11 victims who were angry that the prince was visiting, as some believe the Saudi government was involved in the 9-11 attacks.

Speaker 6 So the journalist asked why Americans Americans should trust the Crown Prince. Trump jumped in and responded, saying Salman has done a, quote, phenomenal job.

Speaker 6 Then he turned to the topic of Khashoggi, who was a Saudi journalist who was critical of the Saudi government.

Speaker 2 You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about.

Speaker 2 Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen, but he knew nothing about it. And we can leave it at that.

Speaker 6 But then the Crown Prince said that no, he would respond as well, and he had this to say.

Speaker 8 We've did all the right right steps of

Speaker 8 investigation, et cetera, in Saudi Arabia, and we've improved our system to be sure that nothing happened like that. And it's painful, and it's a huge mistake.

Speaker 8 And we are doing our best that this doesn't happen again.

Speaker 6 It's really notable the two different tones there. The Crown Prince acting regretful about the killing, while Trump not only didn't condemn the death, but got defensive.

Speaker 6 One more thing we should add is that Khashoggi's widow has criticized Trump's comments, saying, quote, there is no justification to murder my husband.

Speaker 4 Now, other than that tense moment, it sounded like this visit was really about cooperation between the two countries.

Speaker 6 Very much. And we learned last night that Saudi Arabia and the U.S.
signed a whole string of agreements, just a tick through a few.

Speaker 6 They agreed to cooperate on creating nuclear energy to work together on AI. There was a defense agreement, which the White House said would make it easier for U.S.

Speaker 6 defense firms to operate in Saudi Arabia. The U.S.
agreed to sell the Saudis F-35 fighter jets. And the White House announced Saudi Arabia is pledging to invest a trillion dollars in the U.S.

Speaker 6 Now, that's a lot of stuff that they say they signed, but also there just haven't been a lot of details on those things yet. We're still waiting on the text of some of those agreements, for example.

Speaker 6 But there was one more big development. Last night at a black tie dinner, Trump announced that Saudi Arabia is now a major non-NATO ally.
The U.S.

Speaker 6 confers that particular designation on select countries. It gives those countries special defense and financial relationships with the U.S.

Speaker 6 For example, their firms can bid on some defense contracts and they can cooperate on research.

Speaker 4 I know the president also has hopes of getting Saudi Arabia to sign on to the Abraham Accords. Any progress on that?

Speaker 6 Well, it did come up in that Oval Office meeting. The Crown Prince said that he wants to sign on, but he also wants a two-state solution to the conflict in Gaza.

Speaker 6 Well, the leader of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, has said there will never be a Palestinian state. So that's a fundamental roadblock.

Speaker 4 All right, one more day on the visit. What's on the schedule?

Speaker 6 Well, today there's a Saudi-U.S. investment forum at the Kennedy Center, and it's set to feature executives from some major companies like Chevron, Pfizer, and Nvidia.

Speaker 6 And it's possible that we'll learn more about some of these potential investments then.

Speaker 4 That's White House correspondent Danielle Kurtzlavan. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 6 Thank you.

Speaker 4 Both chambers of Congress have now moved to force the Justice Department to release its files on convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 The legislation went unopposed in the Senate on Tuesday and passed with a near unanimous vote in the House.

Speaker 1 President Trump has promised to sign the measure, but told reporters that the intense focus on the files is a Democratic hoax.

Speaker 2 I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw him out of my club many years ago because I thought he was a sick pervert.

Speaker 2 But I guess I turned out to be right.

Speaker 4 NPR congressional reporter Sam Greenglass says following this story from Capitol Hill. So when we talk about releasing the Epstein files, Sam, I mean, which ones are we talking about?

Speaker 10 So this legislation applies to unclassified documents, communications, or investigation materials held by the Justice Department, the FBI, and U.S.

Speaker 10 Attorney's offices related to federal investigations into Epstein in New York and Florida.

Speaker 10 Now, it's worth noting that the House Oversight Committee has already released other Epstein files, including thousands of pages of emails obtained from the Epstein estate.

Speaker 10 That batch of documents included Epstein telling a journalist that Trump, quote, knew about the girls, seemingly referring to people Epstein was trafficking.

Speaker 10 As we just heard, the president has said he broke ties with Epstein years ago and has denied any wrongdoing.

Speaker 4 Now, releasing the files has been a very divisive thing within the Republican Party. But yeah, yesterday, legislation sailed through both chambers.
So take us through what changed.

Speaker 10 For months, President Trump and Republican leaders in Congress tried to thwart a vote on these files, but Democrats and some Republicans, like Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, pressed ahead.

Speaker 10 Green said Trump's refusal to release the files was a betrayal of his most ardent supporters.

Speaker 11 For people that slept in their cars to go to rallies, have fought for truth and transparency, watching this actually turn into a fight has ripped MAGA apart.

Speaker 10 But once a bipartisan petition to force the issue got enough signatures, Trump reversed course, and that paved the way for Tuesday's vote in the House, which several survivors of Epstein's abuse actually watched from the gallery.

Speaker 10 Here's one of them, Jenna Lisa Jones, who spoke outside the Capitol before the votes.

Speaker 5 It is not about you, President Trump. I voted for you, but your behavior on this issue has been a national embarrassment.

Speaker 10 The House passed the legislation 427 to 1, and within a few hours, the Senate agreed to automatically advance the measure without a vote as soon as it arrives from the House.

Speaker 10 And that is expected sometime today.

Speaker 4 427 to 1 sounds like unity, right?

Speaker 10 I mean, on paper, sure, but it's clear that many Democrats and Republicans are looking at this fight through different lenses. Just listen to House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer of Kentucky.

Speaker 3 Democrats have chosen to manufacture yet another anti-Trump hoax instead of pursuing justice.

Speaker 10 And compared that to his Democratic counterpart on that committee, Robert Garcia of California.

Speaker 3 Trump has the power to release the files today.

Speaker 3 He does not even need a vote. What is Donald Trump hiding?

Speaker 4 So, Sam, the debate over the files. I think it's still a couple of steps to go before we get any resolution.

Speaker 10 The materials have to be made public within 30 days of Trump signing the bill. Depending on what comes out, that could fuel new conflicts.

Speaker 10 Trump, for example, has pledged to focus on Democrats whose names might come up. And depending on what the Justice Department redacts, that could spark even more questions.

Speaker 4 All right, NPR congressional reporter Sam Greenglass. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 10 Thank you.

Speaker 4 10 months into a second term, Donald Trump appears to be in a critical moment in his presidency.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a new NPR PBS News Marist poll finds the president at a new low in approval. He and his party also get most of the blame for the shutdown.

Speaker 1 And overwhelmingly, people say he needs to focus on lowering prices. And Democrats are benefiting.

Speaker 4 NPR senior political editor and correspondent Domenico Montenaro joins us now. Domenico, a lot in this poll.
What stuck out to you?

Speaker 3 Well, the most eye-opening thing is on the question of who would you vote for if the 2026 midterm elections took place today, a Democrat or a Republican? Democrats have a 14-point advantage.

Speaker 3 And I can't underscore enough how massive a number that is. I mean, the last time the gap was this wide was eight years ago during Trump's first term.
A year later, Democrats won 40 seats.

Speaker 3 And their lead on this question back then ranged from six to 12 points, not 14. So this is really big.
No one expects that big of a wave next year.

Speaker 3 And there's the potential that this is coming too soon for Democrats. Frankly, you know, people in the poll also say they don't really like Democrats very much.

Speaker 3 So we'll see what the political landscape is like in a year. But for right now, it's Democrats' advantage.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that makes sense right now because of what happened with those elections earlier this month for Democrats.

Speaker 4 If you take a step back though, Dominico, I mean, is there anything in the survey that shows what's leading to this?

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, first of all, Trump's unpopular. You know, he's at just 39% job approval right now.
It's only 24% among independents.

Speaker 3 All of that is the lowest of his second term in Maris polling, and it's the lowest since right after the January 6th attack on the Capitol.

Speaker 3 Trump's unpopular because of his handling of the most critical issues. You know, the elections earlier this month were all about affordability.

Speaker 3 And what jumps out in this survey is that 57% say that lowering prices should be Trump's top priority. Nothing else even came close.
Controlling immigration was second at 16%.

Speaker 3 But even among Republicans, more of them say that lowering prices is most important.

Speaker 4 Do these kind of numbers make Republicans possibly more

Speaker 4 brave to disagree publicly with Trump?

Speaker 3 Maybe.

Speaker 3 You know, we've talked about a lot of different things that that could be the case, but certainly a president with a low approval rating, seemingly on the wrong side of many of the issues, makes it more likely that you see people cross him.

Speaker 3 There have been some major cracks between Trump and his base on the release of the Epstein files about the convicted sex offender. I'm not sure if this is a damn break moment, though.

Speaker 3 Republican voters in our survey showed no signs of abandoning this president. 89% of them approve of the job he's doing.

Speaker 3 I think a lot of elected Republicans are going to be watching this feud between the president and Marjorie Taylor Greene, the congresswoman from Georgia.

Speaker 3 Does she suffer any consequences politically as he's threatened, or does she survive unscathed?

Speaker 3 You know, that could really tell you whether the door is open for others to show a bit more more independence.

Speaker 4 Now, the poll also asked how people view institutions and each other in the United States. I shudder to hear the response, Dominico.

Speaker 3 Yeah, people are really down on everything.

Speaker 3 I mean, overwhelming majorities say that they have no confidence, little to no confidence in Congress, the media, the political parties, the Supreme Court, and the presidency itself.

Speaker 3 It extends also, though, to how people feel about each other, really doubting where the other is coming from.

Speaker 3 You know, big majorities of people who say they're Democrats or Republicans think the opposite party is closed-minded and dishonest when talking about politics.

Speaker 3 And I have to say, maybe at Thanksgiving, stick to cooking.

Speaker 4 Or sports. No, that's a bad one.
NPR political correspondent Domenico Montanaro. Thanks a lot.
You got it.

Speaker 4 And that's a first for Wednesday, November 19th. I'm a Martinez.

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