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Speaker 15 Liz went from being interested in true crime to living true crime.

Speaker 19 My husband said, your dad's been killed.

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Speaker 18 I was just completely in shock.

Speaker 20 Liz's father murdered.

Speaker 17 and her mother found locked in a closet, her hands and feet bound.

Speaker 5 I didn't feel real at all.

Speaker 17 More than a decade on, she's still searching for answers.

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Speaker 21 It was an unimaginable crime.

Speaker 22 It's four consecutive live terms for Brian Koberger, who killed the four University of Idaho students.

Speaker 23 Nearly 30 months of silence until

Speaker 25 Bombshell Development Brian Koberger has agreed to plead guilty.

Speaker 21 No trial, no testimony.

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Speaker 31 on March 31st, 2025,

Speaker 31 FBI agents in Wisconsin received records in response to a search warrant. TikTok had turned over a mountain of data that would take weeks to comb through.

Speaker 31 The owner of the accounts in question had been dead for months, which you might assume would mean there was no real reason to rush.

Speaker 31 The crime they were investigating was already solved, and there was no perpetrator to prosecute.

Speaker 31 But in the time that it had taken to get these records, they'd already missed something big.

Speaker 31 The digital footprint of a school shooter is always full of red flags. That's no surprise.

Speaker 31 But these red flags weren't just missed warning signs of a shooting that it was too late to prevent.

Speaker 31 By the time that search warrant was served, Another shooting had already happened, and they were worried it wouldn't be the last.

Speaker 31 As they began sifting through the records, they found exactly what they were looking for:

Speaker 31 another mass shooter in the making.

Speaker 31 I'm Molly Conger,

Speaker 31 and this is Weird Little Guys.

Speaker 31 This story is

Speaker 31 awful

Speaker 31 in every way.

Speaker 31 It's complicated.

Speaker 31 There are too many moving parts, and sealed documents, and ongoing court cases, and investigations that will never yield any court records because the perpetrator is dead.

Speaker 31 It's impossible to really nail down the truth in any way that I'm at all comfortable with.

Speaker 31 I'm not going to get to the bottom of anything here.

Speaker 31 And it's ugly.

Speaker 31 Uglier than usual, even.

Speaker 31 I am, for better or worse, pretty good at tuning out my own emotions when I read and write about terrible things.

Speaker 31 I try not to let my heart get hard, of course.

Speaker 31 But when I'm working,

Speaker 31 I'm working, not feeling.

Speaker 31 It's easier that way, and I've had a lot of practice at it.

Speaker 31 I can get through the day reading page after page of old neo-Nazi forum posts without letting it in.

Speaker 31 I close my laptop at the end of the day, have dinner, watch a little TV,

Speaker 31 and I don't think about it when I'm lying in bed at night.

Speaker 31 That's not working this week.

Speaker 31 The story of this tangled network of online mass murder enthusiasts contains some of the darkest shit I've ever seen.

Speaker 31 But it is, unfortunately, time to update the story of Terragram.

Speaker 31 I did an episode way back in September of 2024, very early on in the show's existence, an episode called White Terror.

Speaker 31 When I wrote that episode, The FBI had recently arrested Matthew Allison and Dallas Humber,

Speaker 31 two of the leaders of the online community known as the Terragram Collective.

Speaker 31 What had started out as a sort of loose collection of informal online spaces started to coalesce around 2019 into something more organized.

Speaker 31 By 2022, the Terrogram Collective was pushing out slick propaganda, manuals for acts of terrorism.

Speaker 31 Their online chats were centered around the idea of militant accelerationism,

Speaker 31 a violent worldview bent on forcing the collapse of civilization as we know it, triggering a race war that ends with the creation of a white ethnostate.

Speaker 31 As part of their plan to bring all of that about, Terrogram encourages mass shootings by celebrating the acts of prior shooters, elevating them to a kind of sainthood.

Speaker 31 Saint Tarrant,

Speaker 31 Saint Roof,

Speaker 31 Saint McVeigh,

Speaker 31 Saint Brevik,

Speaker 31 canonizing the men who would bathe the world in blood.

Speaker 31 There are scores of saints, depending on who you ask,

Speaker 31 but those four are always fan favorites.

Speaker 31 Brenton Tarrant killed 51 people at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand in 2019.

Speaker 31 Dylan Roof killed nine people in a black church in South Carolina in 2015.

Speaker 31 Timothy McVeigh killed 169 people when he blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995.

Speaker 31 Unders Brevik killed 77 people in Norway in 2011, most of whom were teenagers at a summer camp.

Speaker 31 These saints aren't just revered figures though. They're role models.

Speaker 31 The goal of saint culture is not just to talk about what they did,

Speaker 31 it's to encourage others to join their ranks.

Speaker 31 Allison and Humber are still in custody with no date set for trial.

Speaker 31 Their cases haven't really budged at all. None of the updates to this story come from documents produced in those cases.

Speaker 31 I wish they had.

Speaker 31 Because the updates we do have are more attacks, more murders, linked to the Terrogram collective.

Speaker 31 There have been a few more arrests, a few more foiled plots, and a few more manifestos.

Speaker 31 There are more than a few episodes worth of updates to this story.

Speaker 31 Adam Woffin founder Brandon Russell and his girlfriend Sarabeth Clendaniel have both been convicted for conspiring to blow up the power grid in Baltimore.

Speaker 31 A man in Tennessee was arrested mere moments before launching a drone armed with a bomb that he planned to drop on an electrical substation.

Speaker 31 A teenager in Australia tried to stab a member of parliament. A man in Washington was convicted for possession of a machine gun.

Speaker 31 A man in Pennsylvania was arrested for possession of child sexual abuse material.

Speaker 31 A teenager in Wisconsin murdered both of his parents because he needed to empty their bank accounts to fund his plan to overthrow the government.

Speaker 31 Both the United States and Australia have joined the United Kingdom in officially designating Terragram as an international terrorist organization.

Speaker 31 And just this month, the FBI arrested a man in California who they allege was the primary author of the list,

Speaker 31 which was Terragram's collection of personal information about people they deemed high-value assassination targets.

Speaker 31 All of these crimes are connected.

Speaker 31 Not directly, necessarily. These people didn't all know each other,

Speaker 31 but they all consumed the same content. They traveled in the same digital spaces.

Speaker 31 They had friends in common.

Speaker 31 And they all wanted to destroy society as we know it.

Speaker 31 Many of those are stories that we'll get to, eventually.

Speaker 31 I've been kicking the can on writing about Brandon Russell all year, but some of the others will take time to wind their way through the courts to some kind of conclusion.

Speaker 31 No,

Speaker 31 today we're talking about Damien Blade Allen.

Speaker 31 Kind of.

Speaker 31 His story isn't quite over yet either. But to start telling it, we have to start so far before the beginning that we might as well get a head start.

Speaker 31 Damian Allen was arrested in April of 2025 in Palm Beach County, Florida.

Speaker 31 He's been charged with written threats to conduct a mass shooting, unlawful use of a badge, and unlawful use of a two-way communications device.

Speaker 31 That third charge is something you see pretty often in felony cases in Florida. It just means you used a phone or a computer to facilitate the commission of a felony.

Speaker 31 It kind of just feels like a way to add five years to any underlying felony. But Florida's criminal code isn't the point here.

Speaker 31 The point is,

Speaker 31 Damian Allen didn't actually shoot anyone.

Speaker 31 He just talked about it.

Speaker 31 But to understand how he ended up facing these charges, we have to talk about who he was talking to when he made those plans.

Speaker 31 And we have to go back in time to talk about several people who did carry out their attacks.

Speaker 31 Yurai Kražik in Slovakia, Arda Kosukyatim in Turkey, Samantha Rupnow in Wisconsin, and Solomon Henderson in Tennessee.

Speaker 31 Yuri Kražik and Arda Kosukyatim, we've already talked about in the Terragram episode last fall.

Speaker 31 Krajik was Terragram's first saint. He was the first member of the group to heed the call and add himself to the pantheon.

Speaker 31 He was in direct personal contact with the group's leaders for months leading up to his death in October of 2022.

Speaker 31 He shot himself after killing two people outside of a gay bar in Bratislava.

Speaker 31 And after he died, Dallas Humber recorded an audiobook of his manifesto.

Speaker 31 Arda Kosukia theme was discussed briefly in that episode too.

Speaker 31 In August of 2024, the 18-year-old stabbed five men outside of a mosque in Iskishahir, Turkey.

Speaker 31 Thankfully, none of his victims died, and he was taken into custody alive.

Speaker 31 His manifesto explicitly credits several Terrogram publications for inspiring the attack, and Terrogram channels praised the attack.

Speaker 31 Writing in one Terrogram chat, Dallas Humber noted that, despite his obvious commitment to the cause, he couldn't be added to the list of saints worshipped by the group

Speaker 31 because he wasn't white.

Speaker 31 When Terrogram leaders Dallas Humber and Matthew Allison were indicted a month after Kasukya Tim's attack, his attack was one of three acts of terror that the Department of Justice alleged they can concretely connect the pair to.

Speaker 31 charging them with directly soliciting it.

Speaker 31 Another of those three attacks was the Bratislava shooting.

Speaker 31 After Arda Kasukiatim was arrested, he told Turkish authorities that he'd been assisted and encouraged throughout the process of planning the attack over a period of months by someone he'd met online.

Speaker 31 He said they communicated in English, and he believed this person was a teenager living in Eastern Europe.

Speaker 31 His online friend used the name Fjotolf Hansen,

Speaker 31 which you might think sounds like a clue, but it really isn't. It's just another homage to the mass shooters these young men idolize.

Speaker 31 Fjotolf Hansen was, from 2017 until 2025, the legal name of Norwegian mass murderer Anders Brevik.

Speaker 31 Brevik has since made yet another legal name change, and he is now going by Far Skaldgrimmer Rauskjilder av Northricke.

Speaker 31 I haven't pronounced that right, and that's okay. It is apparently an entirely made-up name, loosely based in Old Norse.

Speaker 31 This Hansen, though, the one chatting with Arda Kasukya Tim about how to most efficiently carry out mass murders, was not actually Andras Brevik, obviously. He's just a fan.

Speaker 31 And on the day of Kosukya Tim's attack, August 12th, 2024,

Speaker 31 this Hansen served as a sort of public relations agent for these attempted murders.

Speaker 31 Kosuky Tim had prepared an array of photographs and documents ahead of time to be shared online, which Hansen appears to have spent the day doing on a variety of platforms.

Speaker 31 Mark-Andre Argentino, a senior research fellow at the Accelerationism Research Consortium, notes this trend in this and similar attacks, calling it a sort of press kit.

Speaker 31 Kosukya Tim had taken selfies posing in his gear and photos of all the gear laid out neatly on the floor.

Speaker 31 He uploaded his own manifesto along with more than a dozen other documents including Mein Kampf, James Mason's Siege, several Teragr publications, and a publication by a group called the Maniac Murder Cult.

Speaker 31 Also in that folder were the manifestos of several mass shooters who inspired him.

Speaker 31 including the one that Yuri Kražik had sent directly to the leaders of the Terrogram Collective before he murdered two people in Bratislava in 2022.

Speaker 31 But once Kuzukya team was out there trying to commit mass murder, he couldn't really be posting. He couldn't be checking his phone.

Speaker 31 That was Hansen's job.

Speaker 31 He created a Twitter account to post links to the live stream in the files. He posted links and images on forums devoted to gore videos.

Speaker 31 And around the same time, someone, probably Hansen, posted those same links on 4chan.

Speaker 31 And he also invited a small handful of users to a private group chat on Telegram.

Speaker 2 I couldn't even believe it was real.

Speaker 7 Join me, Tatiana Siegel, executive editor of film and media at Variety, for a four-part tale of youthful ambition, artistic integrity, and the dark side of fame.

Speaker 8 Just like my parents talk about they knew where they were when John F.

Speaker 9 Kennedy was killed.

Speaker 10 Pretty much everyone I know knows exactly where they were when River died.

Speaker 6 Featuring new interviews with Samantha Mathis, Dr.

Speaker 12 Drew Pinski, Corey Feldman, and more.

Speaker 14 Listen to Variety Confidential on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 15 Liz went from being interested in true crime to living true crime.

Speaker 18 My husband comes back outside and he's shaking and he just looks like he's seen a ghost and he's just in shock. And he said,

Speaker 19 your dad's been killed.

Speaker 15 This is Hands Tied, a true crime podcast exploring the murder of Jim Melgar.

Speaker 26 Liz's mom had just been found shut in a closet, her hands and feet tied up, shouting for help.

Speaker 18 I was just completely in shock.

Speaker 1 Her dad had been stabbed to death.

Speaker 5 It didn't feel real at all.

Speaker 26 For more than a decade, Liz has been trying to figure out what happened.

Speaker 18 There's a lot of guilt, I think, pushing me, and I just, I want answers.

Speaker 1 Listen to Hands Tied on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 21 It was an unimaginable crime.

Speaker 22 It's four consecutive live terms for Brian Koberger, who killed the four University of Idaho students.

Speaker 27 The defense are on a sinking ship.

Speaker 28 It was clear at that point he was out of options.

Speaker 23 Nearly 30 months of silence until

Speaker 25 bombshell development Brian Koberger appearing set to accept a plea deal just five weeks before his quadruple murder trial was set to start.

Speaker 26 No trial, no testimony.

Speaker 32 He has pleaded guilty to five criminal counts, one of burglary and then four counts of murder.

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Speaker 34 Why did the prosecution take this? They were holding all the cars.

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Speaker 31 Before the attack began, Kasukia team sent Hansen a message on Telegram announcing that it would begin soon.

Speaker 31 The message had the links to the photos, the documents, the manifesto, and the live stream.

Speaker 31 Hansen forwarded that message to the private chat just before the stream went live.

Speaker 31 There were nine people in the chat.

Speaker 31 They dissembled ahead of time with foreknowledge of this impending attack.

Speaker 31 This was a watch party.

Speaker 31 The stream was short.

Speaker 31 The longest version of the video that I could find, which does seem to be the entirety of the original stream, is less than three minutes long.

Speaker 31 The opening frames show the attacker's face. He's staring directly into the camera.
It's like he's looking at you.

Speaker 31 He's wearing a helmet, goggles, and a half-face skull mask.

Speaker 31 And the shot lingers there on his face for a little too long before he affixes the camera to the front of his tactical vest and starts walking.

Speaker 31 Outside of the mosque, a dozen or so older men were sitting in a cafe area after evening prayer.

Speaker 31 And they seem to ignore this oddly dressed teenager until he approaches a man from behind and stabs him.

Speaker 31 But then, instead of attacking any of the other men in the immediate area, most of whom are in their 70s and sitting down, he takes off running.

Speaker 31 It's an odd scene. Remember, he's wearing safety goggles, a helmet, a skull mask, a black tactical vest, and camo pants.
He looks weird.

Speaker 31 And he's just stabbed a man.

Speaker 31 But the reactions from most of the people around him are pretty subdued.

Speaker 31 He lunges towards another man who cries out and does try to run from him, but an older man smoking a cigarette a few feet away watches this happen and just says, what are you doing?

Speaker 31 In a tone that I can only describe as disinterested.

Speaker 31 As Kusuki-time runs off down the street and through a nearby park, he stabs several more people at random.

Speaker 31 An old man on a bench in the park yells at him to go away, but a lot of the people don't react to him at all.

Speaker 31 He was tackled by police less than a minute and a half after the attack began. And the video ends with the camera pointed up towards the sky, with faces peering down at it.

Speaker 31 He's lying on his back in a parking lot, surrounded by a handful of police officers and a crowd of curious onlookers.

Speaker 31 In the chat, The group was disappointed.

Speaker 31 He had stabbed several people, but in the video, you can't actually see much.

Speaker 31 There's no blood. There's barely any screaming.
There's no corpses.

Speaker 31 Nobody died.

Speaker 31 It was just a lot of shaky footage of the path in a park and audio of a nervous teen breathing heavily.

Speaker 31 A user known only as Nitro wrote,

Speaker 31 A for effort.

Speaker 31 Hansen said, at least he did it.

Speaker 31 And a third user replied, credit for that, at least.

Speaker 31 That third message, posted in that invite-only private watch party for what they hoped would be a mass murder, was written by a 14-year-old girl in Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 31 Four months later, not long after her 15th birthday, She murdered two people before taking her own life.

Speaker 31 Natalie Natalie Rupnow, who preferred to go by Samantha, didn't live stream her attack, which was a great disappointment to her followers.

Speaker 31 In the final few minutes before she opened fire in a classroom at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin on December 16, 2024, she was sitting in a bathroom stall, making her last posts.

Speaker 31 a photo of her own hand, making the OK symbol commonly used to mean white power, and a link to her manifesto.

Speaker 31 The post garnered significant attention later in the day, but at first,

Speaker 31 before it was big news,

Speaker 31 only a few people saw it.

Speaker 31 She only had a handful of followers.

Speaker 31 One of those followers replied to the post, writing, quote,

Speaker 31 live stream it.

Speaker 31 He quoted her post too, adding the same message,

Speaker 31 Live stream it.

Speaker 31 He seemed to know what it

Speaker 31 was,

Speaker 31 despite the fact that the link to the manifesto she posted didn't work.

Speaker 31 He could only see the photo, a photo posted without a caption, of a hand held out over a bathroom floor.

Speaker 31 Live stream it.

Speaker 31 He understood, or perhaps knew, that this was her final post before an attack.

Speaker 31 There's no concrete evidence, at least none that's been made public, that this user had communicated directly with Rucknow about the specifics of what was about to happen.

Speaker 31 But they were mutuals.

Speaker 31 They followed each other's Twitter accounts.

Speaker 31 Screenshots of her account taken before the attack hit the news showed that she followed 19 accounts.

Speaker 31 I can only tell you for sure who two of them belong to.

Speaker 31 She followed two accounts that both belonged to a 17-year-old boy in Antioch, Tennessee.

Speaker 31 A month after Rupnow's death, he was dead too.

Speaker 31 Solomon Henderson shot and killed a student in his high school cafeteria before taking his own life.

Speaker 31 It's like a virus.

Speaker 31 It's like the ring.

Speaker 31 These kids are watching people die online. They're consuming online media about mass murder.
And then within weeks, they're dead too. And they've taken other people with them.

Speaker 31 Samantha Rupnow killed two people.

Speaker 31 Aaron West, a teacher, and a 14-year-old student named Ruby Vergara.

Speaker 31 Erin loved camping. and Disney World and her husband of 20 years and their three daughters.

Speaker 31 Ruby loved art, her pets, and playing keyboard in her family worship band.

Speaker 31 They weren't targeted.

Speaker 31 Their deaths were random, a meaningless, nihilist act of violence.

Speaker 31 Solomon Henderson killed 16-year-old Jocelyn Correa Escalante.

Speaker 31 Jocelyn came to the United States from Guatemala when she was nine.

Speaker 31 She was on the soccer team, and she hoped to become a doctor.

Speaker 31 The photo in her obituary is from Jurkin Sanyera.

Speaker 31 They were so much more than that, of course.

Speaker 31 Those few small details don't capture the depth of what was lost.

Speaker 31 But I only know as much about these victims as their families shared with the media. or wrote in their obituaries.

Speaker 31 I had to try to learn something about who they were.

Speaker 31 They were real people.

Speaker 31 People who were loved. People who had passions and struggles and dreams.

Speaker 31 People with so much life left to live.

Speaker 31 And that can't be allowed to get lost in this story of contagious, hateful violence. Violence seemingly for the sake of violence alone.

Speaker 31 The way they died was meaningless.

Speaker 31 But their deaths weren't. And their lives weren't.

Speaker 31 And selfishly, I had to see their faces, smiling and alive.

Speaker 31 It's the only way to push out the images of things I wish I hadn't seen.

Speaker 31 After Solomon Henderson carried out his attack at Antioch High School in Nashville, Tennessee, Two documents surfaced.

Speaker 31 One was a manifesto, 51 pages long.

Speaker 31 The other was nearly 300 pages of his online diary, covering the months leading up to the attack.

Speaker 31 Both documents are full of links, screenshots, memes, selfies, copied sections of other texts.

Speaker 31 And any truth they hold is buried in so many layers of irony and inside jokes from incredibly insular online communities that it's hard to take much away from them.

Speaker 31 It is a manifesto and a diary. That's what the documents are.

Speaker 31 But reading those documents,

Speaker 31 it felt like I spent most of the day reading a child's suicide note.

Speaker 31 Because that's really what they are.

Speaker 31 Like Arta Kasukiatim, like Yurai Kražik, like Samantha Rupnow, Solomon Henderson was struggling with thoughts of suicide.

Speaker 31 His diary starts in October of 2024, three months before he died.

Speaker 31 It opens with, quote,

Speaker 31 I'm burning with hate.

Speaker 31 Hate will change the world.

Speaker 31 An entry later in the evening that same day includes the line, quote,

Speaker 31 the only good N-word is a dead N-word.

Speaker 31 And that includes me.

Speaker 31 Solomon Henderson, it may surprise you to hear, was black.

Speaker 31 He knew this meant he couldn't be made a saint. Terrogram saints have to be white.

Speaker 31 But he wanted to do it anyway.

Speaker 31 He wanted to be like his heroes and he wanted to inspire more violence.

Speaker 31 And he wanted to be dead.

Speaker 31 A few days later, he wrote, I'm perfect for this. I have no faith in humanity.

Speaker 31 He doesn't say yet what this

Speaker 31 is,

Speaker 31 but it's the same it he meant when he told Samantha Rupnow to live stream it.

Speaker 31 It's clear that he was already planning a shooting and that he had been for months.

Speaker 31 The same week he started keeping the diary, he pulled a box cutter on another student at school and was suspended for two days.

Speaker 31 He was charged with attempted reckless endangerment, but was placed in a diversion program instead of being prosecuted.

Speaker 31 On December 16th, 2024, at 2 a.m., he wrote in the diary,

Speaker 31 When I think about what I'm going to do, I get sad, seeing and reading kids and adults before who did similar attacks. The loneliness, the fact we had no other choice, no help, just nothing.

Speaker 31 So, like I said, it's clear that he'd already been planning to do something.

Speaker 31 He'd had the idea in his head long before what happened later that day.

Speaker 31 But after Samantha Rupnow's attack, he became fixated on her, and his resolve to carry out his attack intensified significantly.

Speaker 31 Later that evening, he wrote in the diary, holy shit, the newest school shooter followed me.

Speaker 31 And he pasted in screenshots of her account before it was deleted, showing that they did indeed follow each other.

Speaker 31 On December 18th, two days after she died, he wrote, She's stuck in my head.

Speaker 31 The next day, he created a new Discord server.

Speaker 31 The portions of that server that I've been able to view don't show very many messages prior to the day he died.

Speaker 31 But based on the reactions from the other users, it appears they all understood when he invited them to the server that its its purpose was for them to be able to access the live stream on the day he decided to do it.

Speaker 31 Creating the server was a concrete step taken toward the attack, and it was directly motivated by his new obsession with Rupnow, who he refers to as Saintress Rupnow, in both his diary and his manifesto.

Speaker 31 At the end of the manifesto, in a section titled Final Remarks, Henderson wrote,

Speaker 31 I was so miserable. I wanted to kill myself.
I just couldn't take it anymore. I'm a worthless sub-human, a living, breathing disgrace.

Speaker 31 That all changed once I read Yuri Krajik's Manifesto and the English edition Mass Cleaner Handbook.

Speaker 31 He's referring to the Bratislava Shooters Manifesto. and the document written by Arta Kusukyatim.

Speaker 31 Back when I originally read Kusukyutim's manifesto in August, I had to copy and paste the Turkish text into Google Translate one paragraph at a time.

Speaker 31 The English edition he's talking about was posted online by that mysterious user calling himself Hansen.

Speaker 31 Henderson's manifesto ends with this:

Speaker 31 quote:

Speaker 31 I take great pride in the fact that the people before and after me will commit similar acts, not only in the USA,

Speaker 31 but all over the world.

Speaker 31 I hope you all enjoyed the broadcast.

Speaker 31 After the shooting at Antioch High School on January 22nd, 2025,

Speaker 31 people on Twitter noticed something.

Speaker 31 They found his account. He'd been mutual followers with Rupnow and interacted with her on the day of the shooting.

Speaker 31 Several users had said back in December that the authorities should follow up with him specifically based on those posts.

Speaker 31 In January, at least one person posted that they'd gone to the trouble of submitting an official FBI tip the month prior.

Speaker 31 It's not clear if the tip was even made or if anyone followed up on it

Speaker 31 or if the authorities had Henderson on their radar at all.

Speaker 31 Well, it's not clear if he was on their radar in January of 2025

Speaker 31 because the authorities had been in contact with Solomon Henderson several times.

Speaker 31 He was arrested in 2020 when he was just 13 after his mother called the police to report that he'd run away after punching her in the face and hitting her with a chair.

Speaker 31 In November of 2023, he was charged with aggravated sexual exploitation of a minor after downloading child sexual abuse material.

Speaker 31 There aren't any more details provided in the reporting on this.

Speaker 31 He was a minor himself, just 16 at the time. But child sexual abuse material is always illegal for anyone to have for any reason.

Speaker 31 And it's also rampant in the same online communities that traffic in gore videos and mass shooting worship.

Speaker 31 As a minor, his court record is not open for public inspection. But news outlets report that he was court ordered to have no access to the internet except for as needed for schoolwork.

Speaker 31 But But it's not clear what the duration of that sentence would have been.

Speaker 31 At some point in 2023, the Nashville police took two guns away from the home.

Speaker 31 But police will only say that the guns belonged to an adult, but they can't release any more details about why they were called to the house in the first place because it involved a minor.

Speaker 31 And then in October of 2024, he was arrested for pulling a knife on a girl at school.

Speaker 31 On the day of the shooting, in January, he was dropped off at school late.

Speaker 31 He'd spent all morning at court with his mother.

Speaker 31 As part of the diversion program he'd been put into for that charge, he had to sign paperwork acknowledging that he was court-ordered not to possess any guns or ammunition.

Speaker 31 So there were warning signs. They knew who he was.
He wasn't allowed online and he wasn't allowed to touch a gun and the cops had previously removed all of the guns from his home.

Speaker 31 It doesn't seem to have made a difference.

Speaker 31 And while the cops may have missed some of the red flags in Solomon Henderson's final days, they did show some initiative.

Speaker 31 The day after Rupnow's death, authorities in California detained a 20-year-old man named Alexander Pafendorf.

Speaker 31 It would take months to get records from the various platforms where Rupnow had been posting and messaging in order to see the full scope of her online communications.

Speaker 31 But her messages with Pafendorf were seen by agents immediately. And those messages were very concerning.

Speaker 31 Apparently, the pair had been messaging in the days leading up to the attack.

Speaker 31 It isn't entirely clear to me based on the reporting that I could find. if Pafendorf had specific prior knowledge of the shooting, like an actual time, date, and place.

Speaker 31 but they had been exchanging fairly explicit messages about their shared intent to carry out a mass shooting in the near future.

Speaker 31 His messages to her contained details of a plan to attack a federal building using guns and explosives.

Speaker 31 The FBI acted quickly, and they arrived at his home with guns drawn the very next day.

Speaker 31 When he was interviewed by FBI agents, he admitted to exchanging messages with Rupnow,

Speaker 31 but he he wasn't charged with a crime.

Speaker 31 Instead, the Carlsbad, California Police Department filed an application for a gun violence emergency protective order, and they placed him on a psychiatric hold.

Speaker 31 It turned out that Alexander Pafendorf didn't own any guns. He had no guns or bomb-making materials at all.

Speaker 31 He'd just been trying to impress a teenage girl online.

Speaker 31 The two talked online quite a bit, chatting about their suicidal thoughts, their white supremacist beliefs, and their plans to murder as many people as possible.

Speaker 31 But he claims he didn't mean it.

Speaker 31 He apologized in court, saying he'd been attempting to pursue a romantic relationship with the girl and never had any intention of purchasing any weapons or following through on the things they talked about.

Speaker 31 And maybe he assumed she didn't mean it either.

Speaker 31 No criminal charges were filed against Pafendorf, and a judge in San Diego ruled in April that he will be legally barred from owning a gun until at least 2028.

Speaker 31 It's not entirely clear if he knew she was only 15,

Speaker 31 but given the nature of the online spaces they were in,

Speaker 31 I would bet that he did.

Speaker 2 I couldn't even believe it was real.

Speaker 5 Join me, Tatiana Siegel, executive editor of film and media at Variety, for a four-part tale of youthful ambition, artistic integrity, and the dark side of fame.

Speaker 8 Just like my parents talk about they knew where they were when John F.

Speaker 9 Kennedy was killed.

Speaker 10 Pretty much everyone I know knows exactly where they were when River died.

Speaker 6 Featuring new interviews with Samantha Mathis, Dr.

Speaker 12 Drew Pinski, Corey Feldman, and more.

Speaker 14 Listen to Variety Confidential on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 15 Liz went from being interested in true crime to living true crime.

Speaker 18 My husband comes back outside and he's shaking and he just looks like he's seen a ghost and he's just in shock. And he said,

Speaker 19 your dad's been killed.

Speaker 15 This is Hands Tied, a true crime podcast exploring the murder of Jim Melgar.

Speaker 26 Liz's mom had just been found shut in a closet, her hands and feet tied up, shouting for help.

Speaker 18 I was just completely in shock.

Speaker 1 Her dad had been stabbed to death.

Speaker 5 It didn't feel real at all.

Speaker 26 For more than a decade, Liz has been trying to figure out what happened.

Speaker 18 There's a lot of guilt, I think, pushing me, and I just want answers.

Speaker 1 Listen to Hands Tied on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 21 It was an unimaginable crime.

Speaker 22 It's four consecutive live terms for Brian Koberger, who killed the four University of Idaho students.

Speaker 27 The defense are on a sinking ship.

Speaker 28 It was clear at that point he was out of options.

Speaker 23 Nearly 30 months of silence until.

Speaker 25 Bombshell development Brian Koberger appearing set to accept a plea deal just five weeks before his quadruple murder trial was set to start.

Speaker 26 No trial, no testimony.

Speaker 32 He has pleaded guilty to five criminal counts, one of burglary and then four counts of murder.

Speaker 33 In this final season, we returned to Moscow with interviews from those still searching for answers.

Speaker 34 Why did the prosecution take this? They were holding all the cars.

Speaker 16 How on earth could you make a deal?

Speaker 35 What message does that send?

Speaker 21 Listen to season three of the Idaho Massacre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 2 Jan Masulek was a model of German corporate success.

Speaker 38 It seemed so damn simple for him.

Speaker 2 Also, it turned out, a fraudster.

Speaker 31 Where does the money come from? That was something that I always was questioning myself.

Speaker 26 But what if I told you that was the least interesting thing about him?

Speaker 33 His secret office was less than 500 meters down the road.

Speaker 38 I often ask myself now, did I know the true Jan at all? Certain things in my life since then have gone terribly wrong.

Speaker 31 I don't know if they followed me to my home.

Speaker 39 It looks like the ingredients of a really grand spy story here, because this ties together the Cold War with the new one.

Speaker 2 Listen to Hot Money, Agent of Chaos, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 31 And Alexander Pafendorf was not Samantha Rupnow's only online boyfriend. That six-page document she posted just before the shooting was locked.

Speaker 31 It was a link to a Google Doc that she'd forgotten to make publicly accessible.

Speaker 31 Unlike Artico Zakiatim, she hadn't prepared a mass shooter's press kit and left it with a co-conspirator. So at first it seemed like no one would ever know what was in the manifesto.

Speaker 31 Within hours though, a Canadian woman named Anna Slatz claimed to have made contact with the shooter's boyfriend.

Speaker 31 Slatz is

Speaker 31 a journalist, I guess.

Speaker 31 In 2018, she was the editor of her college newspaper. until she was forced to step down after making the editorial decision to publish a racist screed from a known neo-Nazi.

Speaker 31 She worked briefly for the far-right, virulently Islamophobic outlet Rebel News and sometimes wrote for the post-millennial.

Speaker 31 In 2022, she founded her own outlet that focuses almost exclusively on stirring up hatred towards trans women.

Speaker 31 And that may have been what sparked Slatz's initial interest in the story.

Speaker 31 There were rumors in the immediate aftermath of the shooting that Rupna was transgender.

Speaker 31 She wasn't. By all accounts, she was a heterosexual cisgender female.

Speaker 31 But regardless of what drew slats to the story, she managed to convince a user who claimed to be Rupnow's long-distance boyfriend to share a copy of the manifesto with her.

Speaker 31 She then proceeded to watermark each page of the manifesto with her own name before posting the images to Twitter.

Speaker 31 Now, as a journalist, I understand the frustration at having your work stolen and your research used without credit. I do.
It's happened to me too many times to count.

Speaker 31 But I can't for the life of me even begin to imagine the series of thoughts and ideas that would have to pass through your head to lead you to a place where you are watermarking your name onto the pages of a manifesto of a dead child

Speaker 31 hours after the author shot up a school.

Speaker 31 That makes me nauseous.

Speaker 31 But like I said, journalist is kind of a loose term here.

Speaker 31 The boyfriend, who's never been named publicly, says Rupnau sent him the manifesto on WhatsApp about an hour before the shooting, but that he didn't see it until hours later.

Speaker 31 A classmate says Rupnau had talked about having an internet boyfriend who lived in Germany, and that appears to be the same individual who provided the manifesto.

Speaker 31 We don't know if he's actually a teenager or actually in Germany, but these are the elements of his identity that he claims and that she was telling people in her life.

Speaker 31 The unnamed Twitter user Slat SpokeDu said they'd been talking for about two years, and he did seem to know a significant amount of information about Rupnau's home life.

Speaker 31 So she sent the manifesto to her German boyfriend. She exchanged murder fantasies with Alexander Pafendorf.

Speaker 31 But there was at least one more internet boyfriend chatting about mass shootings with Samantha Rupnau.

Speaker 31 The first two internet boyfriends came to light on the day of the shooting. FBI agents saw the messages between Rupnau and Pafendorf as soon as they took custody of her phone.

Speaker 31 And the unnamed German boyfriend outed himself in a series of tweets and ultimately shared the manifesto with Anna Slatz.

Speaker 31 The third man's existence didn't come to light until he was arrested at the end of April 2025, four months after Rupnow's death.

Speaker 31 It took that long for the very slow wheels of the justice system to turn.

Speaker 31 According to the charging documents in Damian Allen's case, The FBI searched Rupnow's cell phone and home almost immediately.

Speaker 31 But they didn't even apply apply for the search warrants for her TikTok accounts until over a month later, on January 30th, 2025.

Speaker 31 It's useless to speculate about why that might be.

Speaker 31 Maybe that's just how long it took to get around to the paperwork. Maybe that's how long it took for them to figure out which accounts belonged to her.

Speaker 31 It's common for people active in online extremist communities to cycle through accounts pretty quickly, getting banned for posting something hideous, making a new account, reconnecting with old followers, getting banned again, and so on forever.

Speaker 31 So maybe it took a little bit of legwork to know what to even ask for when drafting the warrant.

Speaker 31 I'm willing to bet that played a role here.

Speaker 31 But the timing does raise an uncomfortable question.

Speaker 31 Had they not planned on looking at everything?

Speaker 31 They'd gone in guns blazing to grab Alexander Pafendorf right away. And that turned out to be a situation that was admittedly gross,

Speaker 31 but not life-threatening.

Speaker 31 There was no mass murder in the making there. He was just a guy with violent fantasies who wanted to date a child.

Speaker 31 Again, disgusting, abhorrent.

Speaker 31 But he was lying about planning a mass shooting. He didn't even own a gun.

Speaker 31 So maybe it took the entire six weeks between December 16th when the shooting occurred and January 30th when the warrant was signed.

Speaker 31 Maybe it took six weeks to identify all the TikTok accounts connected to Rucknow.

Speaker 31 But maybe Solomon Henderson's attack on January 22nd played a part in that timeline.

Speaker 31 Pafendorf was bluffing.

Speaker 31 But after the shooting in Tennessee, it was all too clear that not everyone she talked to online was.

Speaker 31 Some of them were deadly serious.

Speaker 31 Either way, we'll never know.

Speaker 31 And it took TikTok two months to respond to the court order to produce those records.

Speaker 31 So it wasn't until April of 2025 that FBI agents in Milwaukee made an urgent call to the FBI field office in Miami.

Speaker 31 They needed to get in touch with the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office as soon as possible.

Speaker 31 One of the men who'd spent all summer chatting with Rucknow appeared to be one of their deputies.

Speaker 31 After what must have been a very tense call between the FBI and the Internal Affairs Bureau in Palm Beach, it was determined that the accounts did belong to Damian Allen, but despite the scores of photos of Allen posing in his apparently very real Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office uniform, He'd never been employed there or by any law enforcement agency.

Speaker 31 When police searched his home, they found 18 guns, 12,000 rounds of ammunition, and a variety of authentic or realistic replicas of uniforms for various law enforcement agencies and branches of the military.

Speaker 31 According to the charging documents, Damian Allen communicated with Samantha Rupnow regularly between May and September of 2024.

Speaker 31 The documents only contain excerpts of their conversations over TikTok DM, but they exchanged usernames for a variety of other platforms, including Snapchat and Discord.

Speaker 31 In one message in May of 2024, Rupnow tells Alan, quote, I wanted to do a black church that was near me, but, you know.

Speaker 31 He responded by telling her about his gear, describing his bulletproof vest, his collection of high-capacity magazines, and stockpile of flashbangs and smoke grenades.

Speaker 31 Rupnow, who was at the time just 14 years old, said she only had access to her dad's handguns.

Speaker 31 In the middle of this conversation about guns, Alan wrote,

Speaker 31 Once you get to a point, there's no going back.

Speaker 31 And he said he had a plan to strike seven different locations.

Speaker 31 Two weeks later, in another late-night conversation about their plans to carry out mass shootings, Alan wrote,

Speaker 31 We go down together. To which Rupnow replied, correct.

Speaker 31 I love you.

Speaker 31 I love you more, Alan wrote.

Speaker 31 In July, Rupnow scolded Alan for a post he'd made.

Speaker 31 The post isn't described in the affidavit, and his accounts are gone for the most part, but it sounds like he'd probably posted one of those fan edit videos of cut-together clips and photos of different murderers.

Speaker 31 It's a popular style of content in these communities.

Speaker 31 But Rubnau's message admonishes him.

Speaker 31 She wrote,

Speaker 31 Dylan Klebold was a Jew, Adam Lanza was a gay pedophile. Nick was also a pedophile.
The Trump shooter, also a Jew, Peyton Gendren was into furry porn, which all of that is disgraceful and disgusting.

Speaker 31 Look stuff up before posting it.

Speaker 31 Apparently, she thought his taste in mass shooters was lowbrow.

Speaker 31 By September of 2024, they seemed to have broken up.

Speaker 31 The charging documents only contain snippets, so there's no context. But on September 23rd, Rabnow wrote, quote, I know I un-added you and I apologize.

Speaker 31 I love you and I'm so sorry about all this.

Speaker 31 I hope all goes well for you and I don't do what I did again.

Speaker 31 A few minutes later, she followed up, writing,

Speaker 31 I will always care and love you, even if I'm not right for you. As much as I want to talk to you every day and hour of my time, I can't because I don't want to harm you in any way.

Speaker 31 A few days later, Alan messaged her to say his other account had been banned and asked her to add him on Snapchat.

Speaker 31 It is possible they continued chatting on another platform. The Palm Beach Sheriff's Detective's affidavit only describes the communication he reviewed from the direct messages on TikTok.

Speaker 31 And there's no allegation made in the affidavit that they believe Alan had specific prior knowledge of the shooting that Rupnow carried out in December.

Speaker 31 And all mention of communications between the two of them stops after September of 2024, three months before the shooting.

Speaker 31 The latter half of the affidavit is just dedicated to describing the hundreds of Instagram, TikTok, and Discord posts he made pretending to be a sheriff's deputy, which again, he was not.

Speaker 31 But there is one rather cryptic line at the end of the affidavit.

Speaker 31 Quote, it should be noted that it appears Alan stopped communicating in his chat before Rucknow executed her plan and has not communicated again since.

Speaker 31 Alan was talking to numerous members prior to the attack almost daily.

Speaker 31 So he stopped posting in his own Discord channel. right before Rucknow carried out her attack.

Speaker 31 He'd been posting in that Discord constantly and then suddenly he stopped. He went dark online.
There's no mention of anything he posted anywhere after December of 2024.

Speaker 31 I found a handful of posts made in January, February of this year on TikTok and Instagram accounts that he used for posting pictures of his cop roleplay server in Grand Theft Auto, but his real accounts, his personal accounts, his accounts where he expressed himself politically, those went away.

Speaker 31 Was Damian Allen actually preparing to carry out a mass shooting of his own?

Speaker 31 Or was he just another grown man telling a 14-year-old girl he loved her while encouraging her to kill?

Speaker 31 The difference between Damian Allen and Alexander Pafendorf is the guns.

Speaker 31 Pafendorf was talking shit. He didn't actually have so much as a bullet in his possession.

Speaker 31 Allen, however, had so much ammunition in his home that the initial reports just listed it as 300 pounds of bullets because it was easier to weigh them than to count them.

Speaker 31 He also had a closet full of police and military uniforms that were so realistic, the FBI thought he was a real cop.

Speaker 31 It's impossible to know what might have happened. But his fascination with both mass shootings and 14-year-old girls seems to date back at least a couple of years.

Speaker 31 In October of 2021, when Alan was a 19-year-old high school senior, he was charged with lewd and lascivious molestation of a victim under 16.

Speaker 31 I will note for the record that he was not actually convicted on this charge. He was placed on a pretrial diversion program that required him to complete a mental health evaluation.

Speaker 31 and prohibited him from possessing firearms for a period of time.

Speaker 31 The case was was dismissed after he successfully completed the diversion program in 2023,

Speaker 31 which is weird because he was posting videos of himself all over social media throughout 2022 and 2023 of himself handling firearms.

Speaker 31 So I guess this one just slipped through the cracks.

Speaker 31 So to be clear, technically, he was not convicted of groping a 14-year-old girl's breast.

Speaker 31 But the affidavit is interesting either way.

Speaker 31 The victim told police she'd noticed Alan watching her during gym class.

Speaker 31 After gym class, he followed her as she walked to lunch.

Speaker 31 At some point, she asked him what sort of vibe he was going for with his outfit, and he responded that he was trying to achieve a, quote, 1999 columbine vibe, like a black trench coat with stuff strapped to me.

Speaker 31 This obviously made made the girl a little uncomfortable, so she turned to walk away.

Speaker 31 He followed her, then grabbed her by the shoulder and slid his hand down her chest, grabbing her breast.

Speaker 31 Alan told the responding officer that the girl was making up the stuff about him touching her because she'd been scared of what he said about Columbine.

Speaker 31 So he does admit that he told a much younger student that he was cosplaying as a school shooter, he just denies that he touched her.

Speaker 31 Damian Allen is currently being held without bond in Palm Beach County.

Speaker 31 I'm interested to see if his case turns up any new evidence about the online spaces where he may have first met Rapnow.

Speaker 31 I seriously doubt he just messaged her on TikTok at random. They overlapped somewhere.

Speaker 31 The recent indictment of a man named Aniruth Kopaswami in Pennsylvania offers a hint that only raises more questions.

Speaker 31 Kopasami was an avid consumer of Teragram content, but he was arrested for the possession of child sexual abuse material, material that he'd solicited from a teenage girl that he was grooming online.

Speaker 31 The victim in this case lived in Georgia. Kapaswami lived in Pennsylvania.
And in filings in his case, the government notes that the victim posted on Instagram that she'd been friends with Rupnow.

Speaker 31 And while his charges are related to the allegations that he coerced a minor into sending him sexual photographs, their conversations weren't just about sex.

Speaker 31 He was also talking to her about how to commit and get away with murders.

Speaker 31 I couldn't tell you exactly how many men are online right now trying to convince a teenager to commit random, unprovoked acts of lethal violence, but it doesn't feel like a a coincidence that these girls encountered each other online before.

Speaker 31 It turns out this wasn't really a story about Damien Allen at all, was it?

Speaker 31 I could have written a few thousand words about Alan's tragic backstory. I certainly wasted enough time digging it up, trying to fill in the blanks in court records and old Facebook statuses.

Speaker 31 His parents seemed to have had a pretty violent relationship.

Speaker 31 His father was charged several times with things like domestic violence and child neglect, but it never seemed to stick.

Speaker 31 His mom left him with his father, taking his baby brother with her when she moved in with a new boyfriend and had another son.

Speaker 31 His mom was in and out of rehab a few times before ending up in prison in 2017 for sex trafficking a friend's teenage daughter.

Speaker 31 That seems to be when he started pretending to be a cop online.

Speaker 31 But none of that really matters, does it?

Speaker 31 I don't know when he started fantasizing about mass murder or how he met the murderer he said he loved.

Speaker 31 I don't know if he was lying to impress a child or if he really was going to do something with all those guns.

Speaker 31 Maybe he was all talk,

Speaker 31 or maybe he was going to be the next link in the chain reaction of violence that started in an online chat room.

Speaker 31 But if not him,

Speaker 31 who will it be?

Speaker 31 Yuri Krajek is dead.

Speaker 31 Samantha Rupnow is dead. Solomon Henderson is dead.

Speaker 31 All three teenagers took their own lives after carrying out a shooting at the urging of people they met online.

Speaker 31 Between the three of them, they killed five people.

Speaker 31 But Terragram killed eight.

Speaker 31 They were sucked into online communities steeped in gore, communities that celebrated death and made them believe that the only way their lives would have any meaning is if they died doing something too horrible to forget.

Speaker 31 Bardakasukiatim was arrested before he could attempt to take his own life, and he now faces over 100 years in prison.

Speaker 31 Dallas Humber and Matthew Allison are awaiting trial for their role in encouraging these attacks. Terrogram has been designated as a terrorist organization.

Speaker 31 At least least a dozen people associated with the group have been arrested around the world.

Speaker 31 Terrogram

Speaker 31 is dead.

Speaker 31 Kind of.

Speaker 31 But it's not really something you can kill.

Speaker 31 It can kill you, but you can't kill an idea.

Speaker 31 This particular network operating under this name and with these particular leaders, that's gone.

Speaker 31 But the virus is still spreading.

Speaker 31 In the dark corners of the internet, people are posting fan edits of mass shooting live streams and egging each other on,

Speaker 31 asking each other

Speaker 31 who's going to be the one to get the next high score.

Speaker 31 Weird Little Guys is a production of CoolZone Media and iHeartRadio. It's researched, written, and recorded by me, Molly Congratul.
Our executive producers are Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans.

Speaker 31 The show is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The theme music was composed by Brad Dickert.

Speaker 31 You can email me at WeirdLittleGuyspodcast at gmail.com. I will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer it.
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Speaker 31 This episode contained discussion of suicide and child sexual abuse material.

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