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Speaker 17 It was a little after 7 p.m. on a warm Wednesday evening in October of 2022.

Speaker 17 Yoray Venkulik and Matush Horvath were sitting outside of Tiplarin, a gay bar in Bratislava's city center.

Speaker 17 Matush was studying Chinese at a nearby university. Uri was a drag performer whose day job was designing the displays at a clothing store.

Speaker 17 They were enjoying the evening outside of one of the city's few dedicated queer spaces.

Speaker 17 And then they were dead.

Speaker 17 They were shot by a teenager who left behind a 65-page neo-Nazi manifesto before shooting himself in a nearby park.

Speaker 17 August 12th, 2024 was a sunny afternoon in the Turkish city of Eskisheher.

Speaker 17 A teenager wearing a skull mask and a bulletproof vest walked into the tea garden outside of a mosque and stabbed five men before being tackled to the ground.

Speaker 17 He too left a manifesto glorifying mass murder.

Speaker 17 In July of 2024, a teenager in New Jersey who'd been planning to destroy power substations in New Brunswick was arrested at the Newark airport before he could fly to Ukraine to join the Russian Volunteer Corps, where he hoped to learn the skills he'd need to carry out acts of terror here at home.

Speaker 17 These three teenagers never met, but they had something in common. A murderer in Slovakia, an attempted murderer in Turkey.

Speaker 17 They were alone when they walked the familiar streets of their town, stalking their victims.

Speaker 17 They were alone when they shot. They were alone when they stabbed.
They hunted human prey as lone wolves.

Speaker 17 But there are no lone wolves. Not really.

Speaker 17 The wolf pack is online now, baying for more blood.

Speaker 17 Between 1968 and 2021, 105 white men and women of action have taken it upon themselves to wage war against the system and our racial enemies.

Speaker 17 Our saints are the best of our brothers, and this is our legacy of white terror.

Speaker 17 All three of these young men were incited to take action by propaganda produced by the TerrorGram Collective, a once anonymous group of militant neo-Nazi accelerationists on the messaging app Telegram.

Speaker 17 All three of them were radicalized by a 34-year-old dildo saleswoman from California narrating the manifestos of their idols, the mass shooters who came before them.

Speaker 17 I'm Molly Conger, and this is Weird Little Guys.

Speaker 17 Yurai Kračik died by suicide sometime overnight after he murdered two people outside of a gay bar in Bratislava on October 12th, 2022.

Speaker 17 His body was found in a nearby public park early the next morning, but he didn't shoot himself right away.

Speaker 17 After fleeing the scene, he got online.

Speaker 17 That was where he was most at home, after all. That was where he became the man he was in the moment he fired those shots.

Speaker 17 A few hours before the attack, he tweeted out links to his manifesto.

Speaker 17 After fleeing the scene of the shooting, he went home. He told his parents what he had done.
They argued, but no one called the police.

Speaker 17 He left a handwritten suicide note, retrieved a second gun from his father's safe, and left the house again.

Speaker 17 His parents were the last ones to see him alive.

Speaker 17 The city was crawling with police that night. They were on high alert for the shooter, worried he would act again.

Speaker 17 But even now that he was armed with a fresh weapon, he didn't seek out more targets. Krajuk walked to a local park and checked 4chan on his phone.
People were talking about him, about his attack.

Speaker 17 He wanted to see what they were saying.

Speaker 17 4chan users quickly connected the shooting to his Twitter account.

Speaker 17 As he'd walked home after the attack, he tweeted, hashtag Bratislava, feeling no regrets. Isn't that funny?

Speaker 17 On 4chan, they were already discussing the manifesto he'd tweeted out. One poster asked, why would a Slovakian write his manifesto in English?

Speaker 17 And this was the first post the shooter replied to.

Speaker 17 He wrote, because I felt like it.

Speaker 17 If you're familiar with 4chan, first of all, I'm sorry. But if you've spent any time on there, you know it's not a friendly place.
And not just unfriendly to outsiders.

Speaker 17 Even people who share similar ideologies are at each other's throats, hurling insults and engaging in an eternal competition to be the nastiest person with an internet connection.

Speaker 17 Posters mocked the shooter for killing only two people and asked why he'd chosen such low-value targets.

Speaker 17 Even as they celebrated the deaths of his victims, they bullied the shooter for not doing more, for not doing it better, for not doing it differently.

Speaker 17 They were Monday morning quarterbacking murder.

Speaker 17 Life is just a first-person shooter game for the keyboard warrior mass shooting enthusiast.

Speaker 17 To these comments, Krazik replied that he'd wanted to shoot the Slovakian prime minister Eduard Hager, writing, wish I could have gone higher, but whatever.

Speaker 17 Wanted to bag the prime minister, but I didn't get lucky with his car arriving.

Speaker 17 Later news reports do in fact confirm that he was seen that evening on security camera footage outside the Prime Minister's home an hour before the shooting.

Speaker 17 The same news report maps out his walk home after the shooting, a route that took him through a largely Jewish neighborhood.

Speaker 17 Rejic lamented on 4chan that night that he had wanted to shoot the Chabad house too, but he'd run out of ammunition, writing, wish I could pull off more.

Speaker 17 Got nearly no ammo, bro.

Speaker 17 Posters on 4chan were skeptical that the man replying to them was truly the shooter himself and demanded that he post some kind of proof.

Speaker 17 A little after 11.30 p.m., four hours after fleeing the scene of the shooting, he did.

Speaker 17 It's dark, wherever he was. You can't see anything in the background.
The flash illuminates only the subject of the selfie.

Speaker 17 He's completely expressionless. There's no smile, no bravado.

Speaker 17 No fear, even.

Speaker 17 There's just nothing.

Speaker 17 He's looking straight at the camera, holding his phone with one hand and making a finger gun that points directly at the viewer with the other.

Speaker 17 Have a last selfie, he says.

Speaker 17 Most of his posts on the 4chan thread that night are in English. It is the lingua franca of the site, after all.

Speaker 17 But one user responds to this selfie in Slovak. Translated, the comment reads, What happened, boy? Why don't you smile anymore? Reality set in? Did you fall fall for the meme? Stupid, right?

Speaker 17 The shooter replied to that comment in Slovak, saying, speak for yourself, and attaching a second selfie.

Speaker 17 He's smiling this time, kind of.

Speaker 17 It's hard to say you feel any sorrow for a man who just murdered two people in cold blood and then logged on to 4chan to take credit for it. And I don't.
Not really.

Speaker 17 Not for this murderer.

Speaker 17 But he was just a boy once. A boy whose fake smile shows the still slightly rounded cheeks of a kid who won't live to see the last adolescent changes to his face.

Speaker 17 His forced smile, a smile that doesn't reach the eyes, in that selfie taken in the dark somewhere in the trees on the edge of town,

Speaker 17 will probably stay with me for a while.

Speaker 17 He engages with the 4chan thread for nearly an hour. answering questions and repeatedly acquiescing to demands for proof that it's really him.

Speaker 17 He posts a picture of a handwritten note with a time and date. Posts another selfie, this time with his shoe on top of his head.

Speaker 17 This is a common form of proof demanded on 4chan to determine if you are really interacting with someone who is who they say they are and in real time.

Speaker 17 I guess the idea is that most people have a shoe nearby, but Most people don't have old photos of themselves online with a shoe on their head.

Speaker 17 So if you can produce such a photo on request, you probably are the the person in the photo and not just someone using photos of a stranger that you found online.

Speaker 17 Another user asks him to spell out the N-word in leaves on the ground and post a picture of that.

Speaker 17 He says it would take too long to spell out the whole word and posts a blurry photo of leaves arranged in the shape of the letter N.

Speaker 17 Another user asks him, What's going through your mind right now?

Speaker 17 And he says,

Speaker 17 Sad for my family, happy with my own life,

Speaker 17 nothing for the two F-slurs.

Speaker 17 Soon, a bit of lead.

Speaker 17 Another user asks if he plans to spend decades in prison or if he'll kill himself.

Speaker 17 He replies with two words. An hero, which is meme speak for dying by suicide.

Speaker 17 His last 4chan post was shortly before midnight.

Speaker 17 4chan users are perpetually caught in between their desire for and celebration of acts like this and their their frustration that this kind of thing makes them all look bad.

Speaker 17 You know, it makes them look like exactly what they are. The kind of people goading a teenage murderer into killing himself.

Speaker 17 One poster writes, You have made everyone on this board look like a terrorist. Is that what you wanted? Also, repent.
Hell is real.

Speaker 17 His reply, his final post, reads only,

Speaker 17 not my problem.

Speaker 17 On Twitter, his final post was a little after midnight. In Slovak, he wrote, see you on the other side.

Speaker 17 A Slovak language news report says that two days before the attack, he had called a mental health crisis hotline. He said,

Speaker 17 I have to die, but I'm very afraid.

Speaker 17 And then he hung up.

Speaker 17 But in his final hours, he didn't call back. He didn't call that hotline.
He didn't turn himself in or seek help. He sought reassurance and support from the place least likely to provide it.

Speaker 17 He logged onto 4chan hoping to see his acts hailed as heroic, but they just laughed at him.

Speaker 17 He was dead before Terrogram canonized him, placing him in the pantheon of terror he worshipped.

Speaker 17 Authorities in Slovakia weren't able to ping his cell phone location until 5 a.m.

Speaker 17 The cell phone provider didn't have any employees working overnight.

Speaker 17 His body was found in the park around 7 a.m.

Speaker 17 It's not clear exactly when he died, but if I had to put money on it, I'd guess he died in real life shortly after he logged off. He posted right up through the end.

Speaker 17 And that's all we really knew in October of 2022. The manifesto was online for all to see.

Speaker 17 In the manifesto, he includes the Terragram Collective in his list of special thanks at the end, writing, You know who you you are.

Speaker 17 Thank you for your incredible writing and art, for your political texts, for your practical guides, building the future of the white revolution one publication at a time.

Speaker 17 In the section of the manifesto under the header, Recommended Reading, he lists many of the usual suspects. He was inspired by the Christchurch mosque shooting and recommends that shooter's manifesto.

Speaker 17 He praises the terrorist's Bible, William Luther Pierce's novel The Turner Diaries, and even recommends the prequel, an even sloppier novel called Hunter.

Speaker 17 But he also recommends two other lesser-known publications, two of the four publications authored by the Terragram Collective.

Speaker 17 He lists these two, Militant Accelerationism and The Hard Reset, last,

Speaker 17 writing, If the other books give a theoretical and fictional base for our resistance, these two provide the practical means for it.

Speaker 17 They also go into a deeper dive into some issues, concepts, and things anyone who seeks to fight Zog should know.

Speaker 17 These two may be harder to find than the other books I listed, but you can find them if you look in the right places.

Speaker 17 The link between the Bratislava shooting and the Terrogram Collective was never a secret. It was right there all along.
He said it himself.

Speaker 17 He recommended their propaganda and thanked them in the acknowledgments.

Speaker 17 But when he was posting on 4chan that night,

Speaker 17 he lied about something.

Speaker 17 Earlier in this murderer's Q ⁇ A session, someone asked him, have you been talking to some other people over Telegram, Discord, or Signal? And he replies,

Speaker 17 made my own decision to do this. I had barely any DMs with people on Telegram or wherever.

Speaker 17 And he later followed up with, they're channel owners, hence the Anon part. Don't know their names.
They produce good content, though.

Speaker 17 Kradrick was trying to backtrack on his initial post that he'd exchanged direct messages with anyone in the lead up to the attack.

Speaker 17 The truth, as it turns out, is that he wasn't just reading the material produced by the Terragram Collective. He was in active communication with its leaders.

Speaker 17 This teenage murderer in Slovakia hadn't just posted his manifesto online before the attack. He'd also sent it directly to someone immediately after.

Speaker 17 He wanted to be certain that his message got out, so he sent it to someone he knew would spread it, someone who had helped him craft it.

Speaker 17 He sent the manifesto to Matthew Allison, a man in his 30s, living in Boise, Idaho.

Speaker 17 Earlier this month, in September of 2024, Matthew Allison of Boise and Dallas Humber of Elk Grove, California were arrested and charged in a 15-count indictment with soliciting hate crimes, soliciting the murder of federal officials, interstate threats, distributing information relating to explosives, and conspiring to provide material support to terrorists.

Speaker 17 The pair are alleged to be the ringleaders of the Terragram Collective, that association of pseudonymous posters on Telegram that produce neo-Nazi accelerationist propaganda.

Speaker 17 And now, according to the Department of Justice, the Terragram Collective can also be called a transnational terrorist group.

Speaker 17 According to the allegations in the indictment, Krazik was an active member of the group's chat for a year leading up to the shooting.

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Speaker 17 And I guess I should back up a little bit and explain a little more about what's going on in these chats, as much as I would really rather not.

Speaker 17 There are plenty of Nazi chat rooms.

Speaker 17 There is no shortage of places online where a racial slur enthusiast can log on and share ideas with other guys who hate black people and Jewish people and gay people and immigrants and women and whatever.

Speaker 17 Pick your flavor. It's out there in abundance.

Speaker 17 This is something much darker. These are accelerationists.
People who believe their goals can only be achieved by driving society over the brink and into total collapse.

Speaker 17 They believe that acts of mass murder, terrorism, and destruction are the necessary course of action to create the chaos required to allow a new world to be born.

Speaker 17 A world built by and for white men alone.

Speaker 17 And they aren't just talking about it.

Speaker 17 The Terrogram Collective has produced a series of, what would you call them, manuals, manifestos, zines, terrorism handbooks.

Speaker 17 They've put out four written publications and one short documentary, all directed at providing both inspiration and explicit instruction on how their followers can commit acts of unspeakable violence.

Speaker 17 In their online spaces, past acts are celebrated. One of the core elements of the group's shared language is this pantheon of saints.

Speaker 17 It's not the saints you're thinking of. This is a gruesome hagiography.
They've canonized mass shooters. They celebrate the saint day of each shooter on the day of their atrocity.

Speaker 17 Robert Bowers, Anders Brevik, Dylan Roof, Brenton Tarrant, Patrick Crucius, Anton London Pedersen, murderers from infamous to obscure, murderers from all over the world.

Speaker 17 The criteria for sainthood are fivefold. Race, motive, intent, score, and worldview.

Speaker 17 The prospective saint must, of course, be white.

Speaker 17 There is, occasionally, some debate in the Nazi community about whether they should offer their begrudging respect for non-white mass murderers who nevertheless kill large numbers of people they deem worthy targets.

Speaker 17 But the answer is generally no.

Speaker 17 So while they would celebrate something like the Pulse nightclub shooting, which killed nearly 50 people, most of whom were both Latino and members of the queer community, that perpetrator cannot be celebrated as a saint because he fails the first test.

Speaker 17 He isn't white.

Speaker 17 Intent, motive, and worldview all feel like they kind of describe the same thing, so I'm not sure why there are five criteria when they probably could have condensed it down to three, but the attack must be deliberate, that's intent, committed in the spirit of our struggle, that's motive, and be motivated by a white nationalist ideology, though they are willing to make some exceptions.

Speaker 17 There's a little wiggle room here for attacks that are right-wing, but not explicitly neo-Nazi.

Speaker 17 And score means exactly what you probably think it means. They're keeping score.
They're counting bodies.

Speaker 17 Sometimes if you log into the worst kind of place during an active attack or in the immediate aftermath of one, you'll see eager speculation that someone could be getting a new high score,

Speaker 17 like it's some kind of video game.

Speaker 17 And there are no exceptions to this requirement. You cannot become a terrogram saint with a score of zero.
Someone has to die.

Speaker 17 These ideas didn't originate with Matthew Allison and Dallas Humber.

Speaker 17 Both of them have been members of this online community for years since at least 2019.

Speaker 17 In 2022, after the the arrest of one of the community's most prolific posters, they became the group's leaders.

Speaker 17 A user who posted as Slovak Bro, Pavel Benyadik, was arrested in Slovakia in early 2022 and eventually sentenced to six years in prison for his support of terrorism.

Speaker 17 And Slovak Bro isn't the only Terrogram author to land himself in prison.

Speaker 17 Brandon Russell, the Adam Waffen founder currently awaiting trial on charges of conspiracy to blow up the power grid in Baltimore, was in close communication with members of the group before and after his arrest.

Speaker 17 He appears to have participated in the creation of at least some of the group's work.

Speaker 17 Two men in Canada were arrested last fall with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police press release alleging that they too had participated in the creation of Terragram manifestos.

Speaker 17 Their cases are ongoing and subject to a publication ban in Canada, so the extent of their involvement and the possibility that revelations in those cases had some bearing on the investigation here in the U.S.

Speaker 17 is unknown right now.

Speaker 17 As the leaders of the Terragram Collective, Dallas Humber and Matthew Allison are alleged to have directly contributed to acts of terrorism all over the world.

Speaker 17 Their publications provided detailed instructions on how to make bombs, how to make napalm at home with materials you can buy at the hardware store, the most efficient way to destroy an electrical substation with rifle fire,

Speaker 17 and how to identify the most valuable targets in your area. Targets that could be infrastructure or human.

Speaker 17 They maintained a document called The List,

Speaker 17 a list of high-value assassination targets. For each name on the list, there was a little graphic, like a trading card.

Speaker 17 The target's name, home address, and photograph were always featured, along with the reasons why they were considered an enemy of the cause.

Speaker 17 Those reasons, as you might expect, tended to be related to the target's identity. They're Jewish, they're gay, they're an immigrant, or some other kind of undesirable in their eyes.

Speaker 17 The names on the list include senators, judges, a former federal prosecutor, state and local government officials, and nonprofit employees.

Speaker 17 In their chats, they posted the list often and would sometimes post individual members of the list alongside encouragement to take action.

Speaker 17 In one exchange, described in the indictment, a member of the group chat asked if there were any members of the list located in his area.

Speaker 17 The administrator of the group responded with a trading card image for a target in the city in the poster's area.

Speaker 17 The user replied, we already have this one, and asked the channel administrator to tag him if any new names were added to the list in his area.

Speaker 17 A user the government alleges is Dallas Humber replied, we'll do.

Speaker 17 A week later, she tagged that same user with a new name in the same city. He replied, very good.
I'll check in with my guys now.

Speaker 17 And it wasn't just members of the list who were in danger. Humber and Allison would routinely remind members of the group of the kinds of targets they should be seeking out.

Speaker 17 In June of 2023, Humber posted numerous exhortations to followers that they should be targeting Gay Pride Month events, writing in one post,

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Speaker 30 This Pride Month, give us what we truly need. A new saint to be proud of and a glorious new attack to celebrate.
You've got the means and opportunity. All you need is the will.

Speaker 30 Don't breathe a word of what you're planning to anyone and make it count.

Speaker 17 Make it count.

Speaker 17 That's a frequent refrain. Make it count is the title of one of the group's terrorism manuals.
It's also the final line of the Bratislava Shooters Manifesto.

Speaker 17 The line itself comes from Siege, the collected essays of James Mason. If the Turner Diaries is their Bible, Siege is perhaps a missile or a bravery.

Speaker 17 Maybe the analogy doesn't hold, I don't know.

Speaker 17 But Mason is the godfather of modern fascist terrorism. Read Siege was such a constant directive in so many Nazi chats for so long that it's more of a meme than an actual instruction at this point.

Speaker 17 Mason wrote the Siege newsletter throughout the early to mid-80s.

Speaker 17 The essays were collected and published in book form in the early 90s, but the text languished in relative obscurity until it was rediscovered by users of the Nazi forum Iron March in the early 2010s.

Speaker 17 It's no coincidence that Adam Waffen was born on the pages of that forum in the bubbling ideological soup where young men were exchanging their favorite passages of siege.

Speaker 17 It's a messy, sprawling 600 or so pages, depending on the edition you've bootlegged from some terrorism chatroom. And it's mostly useless ramblings.
There's a lot of repetitive content.

Speaker 17 It wasn't written to be a book, to be fair. The line, make it count, comes from the end of the August 1982 newsletter in a missive titled, Biting the Bullet.

Speaker 17 Like much of the advice in Siege, this essay is about taking action, about choosing the time, the target, and the circumstances of your attack on the system because you may only get one chance to strike.

Speaker 17 The essay concludes, quote, in revolution, the price of failure generally is death. So whatever you do, and whatever course you choose, don't sell yourself cheap.
Make it count.

Speaker 17 Make it Count, the collective's terrorism guide by the same name and The Hard Reset, both contain diagrams of electrical transformers and instructions for damaging them.

Speaker 17 Released around the same time, both in June of 2022, Make It Count is a light 14 pages. It's more propaganda than manual.

Speaker 17 The page titled Blackout is dominated by a large graphic of a rifle with a scope and big neon text that reads in all caps, locate substation, range find, shoot transformers, flee undetected.

Speaker 17 Which, I guess, are technically instructions. They're just not very good ones.

Speaker 17 The Hard Reset, on the other hand, is a nearly 300-page compilation of essays, graphics, manuals, and just a nightmarish collection of fonts and colors that would make a graphic designer weep.

Speaker 17 Around halfway through, there's a section containing incredibly detailed instructions complete with diagrams for sabotaging all manner of infrastructure.

Speaker 17 How to derail a train, how to damage a cell phone tower, things to consider when bombing a truck depot, ways you might contaminate a municipal water treatment plant, and, of course, four pages of advice on sabotaging the power grid.

Speaker 17 Alongside mass shootings, attacks on the power grid are the group's favorite fixation.

Speaker 17 We talked a little bit about the concept in another episode a few weeks ago, Lights Out about the Nazi paramilitary Marines who hoped to knock out power in the Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 17 They thought it would provide cover for a planned series of assassinations.

Speaker 17 Those guys never got a chance to read the Terragram collective manuals on the subject. They were arrested before they were written.

Speaker 17 But as I said in that episode, this idea has been popular in right-wing circles for decades. Take out the power, chaos ensues, something, something, step three,

Speaker 17 then race war.

Speaker 17 The middle part never really gets fleshed out, but they all seem very convinced that something happens right after it gets dark that causes a race war.

Speaker 17 I'm not really sold on that logic, but they are bound and determined to put holes in a substation nevertheless.

Speaker 17 The indictment lists numerous occasions on which Dallas Humber encourages her followers to take the advice provided in the manuals and attack the grid.

Speaker 17 In December of 2022, after the still unsolved attacks on electrical infrastructure in Jones County, North Carolina on November 11th and Moore County on December 3rd, Humber posted encouragement for anyone planning a similar grid attack.

Speaker 17 advising them not to let second thoughts or fear of failure or fear of getting caught demotivate them.

Speaker 17 Do not let this big mistake happen to you, she wrote in all caps, reminding them to have a plan, carry it out, and keep their mouths shut.

Speaker 17 A few days later, she wrote,

Speaker 30 Maybe that person could be you lining up your sights on these metal behemoths from the tree line, squeezing the trigger, and retreating from the area with a shitting grin on your face knowing the chaos you've just unleashed.

Speaker 17 And after a third still unsolved attack was carried out just a month later in Randolph County, North Carolina, Humber posted again.

Speaker 30 Everyone, please take a moment to congratulate yourselves. It seems as though this avenue of attack, an incredibly effective one at that, has really caught on.

Speaker 30 I like to think that all our hard work in detailing its effectiveness and showing our community how easy it is not only to do, but to get away with, has helped encourage this.

Speaker 30 Death to the grid, death to the system.

Speaker 17 So the terragram collective isn't exactly taking credit for the grid attacks in north carolina but they aren't not taking credit for it either she does credit herself and the group with popularizing the idea she speculates that perhaps the attacker or attackers had read her work read her words and listened to her voice and decided to act

Speaker 17 But there's no claim made that she knows who did it. And maybe she doesn't.
We don't actually know whether these attacks were committed by someone inspired by the Terrogram Collective at all.

Speaker 17 Even if they were ideologically motivated, she didn't invent the idea.

Speaker 17 And a similar attack out in Washington State during the same time period was actually committed by a pair of would-be thieves who thought they could get cash out of ATMs during a power outage.

Speaker 17 So maybe it wasn't a terrorist at all.

Speaker 17 But if it was, it is entirely possible that an attacker inspired by her work was was operating based off of a one-directional relationship, that this person consumed the content and acted on it without ever actually having a conversation with the author.

Speaker 17 We didn't learn until much later, though, that this wasn't the case with the shooting in Bratislava.

Speaker 17 And we do know that at least one would-be grid attacker was definitely in that chat and definitely in communication with the Terrogram collective.

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Speaker 17 Andrew Takastov was arrested in July of 2024 at the Newark airport.

Speaker 17 He was on his way to Ukraine to join the Russian Volunteer Corps, a neo-Nazi paramilitary group of Russian citizens inside Ukraine who opposed the Putin government.

Speaker 17 Takestov had been a member of the Terrogram Collective Chat since at least January of 2024. And in January of 2024, he made a new friend online.

Speaker 17 It isn't stated outright in his charging documents or in the cases against Humber and Allison, but it sounds like he made this friend in the Terragram chat.

Speaker 17 And this friend turned out to be an undercover FBI agent.

Speaker 17 Around this same time in January of 2024, Takistov asks in the Terragram chat for recommendations for, quote, documentaries about our guys made by our guys.

Speaker 17 And he asks if anyone has more content like White Terror, which is the 24-minute documentary the collective put out in October of 2022.

Speaker 17 The video is a compilation of descriptions of over 100 white supremacist attacks carried out between 1968 and 2022. It is, in their words, their litany of the saints.

Speaker 17 Humber narrates the video herself. She is the voice of Terragram.

Speaker 17 But she's not a very skilled voice actor. And that's not just my opinion.
The website Militantwire, a publication that writes about political violence all over the world, wrote of her narration,

Speaker 31 It is both striking and seemingly incongruous to the material, the way a young, average female voice, devoid of ghoulish stylization or of discernible malice and hatred, not only celebrates acts of terrorism while parroting well-established neo-Nazi tropes and slogans, but perhaps most of all the unburdened and rather natural way that this young woman uses the most cutting of racial slurs and homophobic pejoratives.

Speaker 31 It is one thing to see edgy young men describe mass murderer Dylan Roof as Saint Roof on a message board, for example, and quite another to hear a young woman say it aloud and without traceable irony.

Speaker 17 She sounds

Speaker 17 bored as she lists shootings, bombings, arsons, and stabbings, just droning out this list of the dead.

Speaker 17 The video was published just days after the shooting in Bratislava, but it had already been finalized before the attack, so he's not in it.

Speaker 17 The list of their murderous heroes ends with the Buffalo supermarket shooter from May of 2022.

Speaker 17 But the video concludes with Humber's deadpan reading of an ominous message.

Speaker 17 The list is always growing, and

Speaker 17 you could join it.

Speaker 17 And to the saints of tomorrow watching this today, know that when you succeed, you will be celebrated with reverence and your sacrifice will not be in vain.

Speaker 17 Hail the saints, and hail our glorious and bloody legacy of white terror.

Speaker 17 When Takastov asked if if they had any more content like that video, Humber replied with a file, an audio recording of her reading the Jacksonville Dollar General Shooters Manifesto.

Speaker 17 The manifesto, entitled, A White Boy's Summer to Remember, had just been released that month by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Department.

Speaker 17 Humber quickly recorded the audiobook version for the Terrogram Collective, as she had with many manifestos before it.

Speaker 17 Her audio recording of the Bratislava Shooters Manifesto was released to the chat within a week of that attack. Just as she'd promised Krajik it would be before he died.

Speaker 17 A few months later, in April of 2024, Takistov posted again, thanking Humber for links to videos providing instructions on attacking energy facilities.

Speaker 17 One video in particular had instructions for using Mylar balloons to damage power lines. Their conductive metal surface can start a fire when it comes into contact with electrical infrastructure.

Speaker 17 Takistov was so pleased with this advice, it seems, that he thought he might like to try it.

Speaker 17 Later that summer, he met up with his new friend from the chat room, the one he didn't know was an undercover FBI agent. Together, they drove around New Jersey, looking at substations.

Speaker 17 Takistov proudly shared the instructions for how to carry out the attack, directing his friend to use Mylar balloons to short-circuit the transformer.

Speaker 17 He followed up by sending his friend a copy of The Hard Reset, telling him, quote, it's really the only thing you need.

Speaker 17 It has ideology, it has how-to guides, it has ideas for funny things, it goes into how you should plan it. It really goes into the thought process.

Speaker 17 Takustov told the agent, his new friend, that his plan was to fly to Ukraine and volunteer with the Russian Volunteer Corps.

Speaker 17 He'd chosen that group in particular because, according to the indictment, quote, The group was openly National Socialist and, more importantly, specialized in assassinations, attacks on power grids, and other infrastructure sabotage.

Speaker 17 So he hoped to go over there, get some training, do a little fighting, and then return home with new skills he could use here.

Speaker 17 He instructed his new friend not to be idle in his absence, that while Takistov was gone, he expected his new friend to carry out at least one attack, perhaps the attack on the substation they'd been discussing.

Speaker 17 He also recommended getting a rifle and a cheap burner phone. The burner phone wasn't for communication, though.

Speaker 17 It was to be used to determine if a cell tower had been sufficiently damaged by rifle rounds that it no longer transmitted a signal.

Speaker 17 So you take the phone out, you start shooting at the tower, and if the phone still has bars, keep shooting.

Speaker 17 In July, just a few days before he would board the plane to Ukraine, Takistov met up with his new friend one last time.

Speaker 17 This time they drove out to a warehouse full of trucking equipment. Takistov Takastov explained to the undercover agent how he should access the facility to damage equipment with a Molotov cocktail.

Speaker 17 He also suggested some strategies for derailing trains.

Speaker 17 He essentially talked through almost all of the infrastructure-related attacks suggested by the Terrogram Collective publication that he'd already shared with the agent.

Speaker 17 And then he tried to get on a plane.

Speaker 17 Takastov did not make his flight on July 10th. He was arrested at the airport.

Speaker 17 He's not due back in court until October, but he is the Attacker 2 listed in the indictment against Alice Humber and Matthew Allison.

Speaker 17 That indictment lists three individuals that the government is confident they can prove were incited to action directly by the Terrogram Collective.

Speaker 17 Attacker 1 is the Bratislava shooter. Attacker 3 is the teenager who stabbed five men outside of a mosque in Turkey last month.

Speaker 17 He was taken into custody alive, and as far as reporting I can find, all of his victims are expected to survive.

Speaker 17 The teenager, identified by Turkish press only by his first name and last initial, Arda K,

Speaker 17 was acknowledged by the Terragram Collective but not canonized as a saint. He failed.

Speaker 17 Although his intent, ideology, and worldview are consistent with the kind of murderer they're looking for, The teenager failed to take any lives and, more importantly, he isn't white.

Speaker 17 After the attack, Dallas Humber wrote in the chat:

Speaker 17 He included the Terragram books and other Saint Manifestos in his file dump, gives shout-outs to the other saints in his manifesto, and references several hard-reset passages. He was 100%

Speaker 17 our guy.

Speaker 17 But he's not white, so I can't give him an honorary title. We can still celebrate his attack, though.
He did it for Terragram.

Speaker 17 She followed up later on, writing, we can hail him anyway. We just can't add him to the pantheon.
But yeah, it's a great development regardless.

Speaker 17 Inspiring more attacks is the goal, and anyone claiming to be an accelerationist should support them.

Speaker 17 It isn't specified in the court documents whether RDK had ever directly participated in the Terragram collective chats, but he certainly read their work.

Speaker 17 He wasn't just inspired by some shared ideology. He cites them directly in this manifesto.

Speaker 17 His manifesto, however, is written in Turkish, which you'd expect.

Speaker 17 Because there's something a little strange about the manifesto Yurai Kražik left behind. It's in English.

Speaker 17 That's not entirely extraordinary. He spoke English.
Though he'd never spent any time in an English-speaking country, he probably would have learned it in school.

Speaker 17 He watched American television shows and movies. He had access to American music.
He participated in online spaces where English is the primary language.

Speaker 17 But the manifesto is in perfect English. And I don't mean perfect English like from a textbook, something you could achieve through study.
It's native English.

Speaker 17 It has idioms and terms of phrase and even mistakes that only a native English speaker would really use.

Speaker 17 And that's not my opinion.

Speaker 17 According to an analysis by forensic linguist Julia Cupper, published by the Accelerationism Research Consortium, the manifesto was almost certainly written by a native English speaker who grew up in the United States.

Speaker 17 Probably someone with a good education and someone a bit older than Kraczyk, someone maybe in their 40s.

Speaker 17 The obvious answer then is, well, he plagiarized it, right? It's copy paste.

Speaker 17 And that's surprisingly common. A lot of manifestos lift large portions of their text from other similar documents.

Speaker 17 But Cupper checked. He hadn't.
This isn't copypasta. This isn't someone else's manifesto.
This was an original work.

Speaker 17 But Kraczy couldn't have written it.

Speaker 17 Cupper conducted a forensic linguistic analysis on the manifesto, the handwritten suicide note, several hundred tweets from his account, and the 4chan posts made the night of the shooting.

Speaker 17 She concluded that a second author was involved in both the manifesto and some of the tweets, but that the 4chan posts and the suicide note were written by him alone.

Speaker 17 According to Cuba's analysis, there are some telltale signs of two writers at work.

Speaker 17 When Krajik posted a photo on 4chan that night to prove he was who he said he was, he showed a handwritten note with a date on it. And we know he wrote this himself.

Speaker 17 And in European fashion, he wrote the date day, month, year,

Speaker 17 not month, day, year, as Americans would do.

Speaker 17 The manifesto, though, uses an American date format.

Speaker 17 In his tweets, there are style shifts that seem to indicate two people may have had access to the account, changes in tone and vocabulary and the way that punctuation is used, shifting between the European style and the American style of where commas and periods go on either side of a quotation or parentheses.

Speaker 17 The American English style of formatting began appearing in the tweets in May of 2022, the month he claims he began working on the manifesto and the plan in earnest.

Speaker 17 Cupper's report was published in early 2023, just six months after the attack and more than a year before the extent of Krajek's involvement with the Terragram chat administrators came to light after their arrests.

Speaker 17 It raises some questions we may not get answers to.

Speaker 17 Perhaps the criminal proceedings against Allison and Humber will result in Twitter producing some records that could show more than one person logging into the account.

Speaker 17 But maybe not.

Speaker 17 There may be no satisfying conclusion to this mystery.

Speaker 17 But if an older, educated, native English-speaking American author wrote most of that manifesto, it certainly confers some responsibility onto that author for the attack that accompanied it.

Speaker 17 The co-author of the manifesto didn't pull the trigger, but they may as well have.

Speaker 17 If Humber and Allison are being prosecuted for their contributions to this attack in particular, whether or not they had foreknowledge, whether or not they participated in the crafting of this manifesto, would be a significant factor in the prosecution.

Speaker 17 But who are these people?

Speaker 17 Who is Matthew Allison? Who is Dallas Humber? How did they end up running a transnational terrorist organization that goads young men into committing acts of terrorism?

Speaker 17 Matthew Allison wasn't revealed as a Terragram collective administrator until this indictment was unsealed. We didn't know his name until he was arrested.

Speaker 17 But Dallas Humber was unmasked a year and a half ago.

Speaker 17 Researchers at Left Coast Right Watch, an independent investigative journalism outlet covering politics and extremism, identified Humber in March of 2023.

Speaker 17 The story was confirmed and re-reported by Huffington Post soon after.

Speaker 17 Dallas Humber was Miss Gorehound, the voice of Terragram.

Speaker 17 The story is a truly bizarre one. I'll link it in the show notes, and I highly recommend checking out this story in particular and Left Coast Right Watch in general.

Speaker 17 They were able to locate the earliest days of Humber's journey to becoming the voice of white terror.

Speaker 17 When she was just 13, she was active on sites like DeviantArt and Live Journal, where she described herself as a hopeless hopeless fangirl for serial killers.

Speaker 17 Their digital archaeology shows that Humber has been making fan art for murderers for over 20 years.

Speaker 17 She was describing herself as a national socialist in her online journal as early as 2004 when she was just 14.

Speaker 17 By 2014, she was using one of the monikers she carried through to the present, Lil Miss Gorehound.

Speaker 17 Quoting from LCRW's 2023 write-up on Humber, quote, her earliest interest in guru art had become a full-blown gore fetish.

Speaker 17 In its purest form, guru is meant to simultaneously evoke a sense of eroticism and grotesqueness. It's meant to make the viewer uncomfortable.
At its worst, it can only be described as hentai snuff.

Speaker 17 Nearly all of her art from this period features abused women. LCRW has chosen not to share the images as they depict scenes of torture, dismemberment, and explicit sexual violence.

Speaker 17 For the most part, the only women that aren't being subjected to violence and brutality are perpetuating it against other women. The men, however, are portrayed as strong, powerful, and heroic.

Speaker 17 And by 2019, Humber had found her new online home, Terragram.

Speaker 17 Her now nearly 20-year-old hobby of creating gore art was right at home in an online community devoted to celebrating mass murder.

Speaker 17 And now she wasn't just drawing pictures of killers, she was drawing pictures for them.

Speaker 17 She posted photos on Telegram of her correspondence with convicted mass murderer Dylan Roof.

Speaker 17 Several outlets have reported on these letters and they do point out that they were unable to confirm with prison officials how often Humber was corresponding with Roof, but the images she posted match the handwriting and style of known samples of Roof's letters.

Speaker 17 In one letter she posted, Roof requests a drawing from from her.

Speaker 17 He asks for, quote,

Speaker 17 a wizard with mean/slash unfriendly eyebrows, or a dragon, or an unfriendly eyebrowed wizard riding a dragon.

Speaker 17 End quote.

Speaker 17 I hope that's the only time I ever have to quote Dylan Roof.

Speaker 17 The Lil Miss Gorehound account posted a photo of the finished drawing of the unfriendly looking wizard with the caption, finished Dylan's wizard. Hashtag Saint Mail.

Speaker 17 She also claimed to have written cards to Brenton Tarant, imprisoned in New Zealand for the murders of 51 worshippers at mosques in Christchurch, and to Anders Brevik, imprisoned in Norway for the murder of 77 people, most of whom were children.

Speaker 17 It's unclear what, if anything, Humber does for a day job these days, but LCRW's write-up uncovered that for many years, she made a living as a dildo saleswoman, using the pseudonym Tex Hunter.

Speaker 17 But after that article was published, nothing happened.

Speaker 17 Nothing changed.

Speaker 17 We knew who she was,

Speaker 17 but nobody made a move to intervene, and she carried on as she always had.

Speaker 17 Shannon Foley Martinez told Huffington Post back in March of 2023 that, quote, it is an absolute given that Terrogram will inspire more shootings, if left unchecked.

Speaker 17 And she's in the heartbreaking position of knowing exactly what she's talking about.

Speaker 17 Shannon was radicalized by a boyfriend as a teenager, but quickly left the movement and has since dedicated decades of her life to the ugly work of trying to keep other people's children from falling prey to the recruiters who target vulnerable teens.

Speaker 17 But the government waited.

Speaker 17 And waited.

Speaker 17 They watched, too, I'm sure. We know they had undercover agents in the group.

Speaker 17 But they waited over a year.

Speaker 17 They waited until more attacks took place. They waited until an 87-year-old man was stabbed outside of his mosque.

Speaker 17 They waited while more and more young men were fed heaping servings of rotten propaganda.

Speaker 17 They waited until September of 2024, a few weeks after that stabbing in Turkey.

Speaker 17 In a piece published in WIRE a few days after the indictment, investigative journalist Ali Winston offers an intriguing explanation for the timing.

Speaker 17 While most of the charges in the indictment could have been brought at any time, things like soliciting the murder of a federal official, disseminating information about explosives, threatening communications, and so on, they've been doing that for years.

Speaker 17 The final charge of this 15-count indictment is a violation of Chapter 18, Section 2339A.

Speaker 17 Conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists.

Speaker 17 And this is the most serious charge on the indictment. This is the one that could put them away forever.

Speaker 17 And this charge was only made possible by a decision earlier this year by the government of the United Kingdom.

Speaker 17 In April of 2024, the UK formally added the Terrogram Collective to its list of proscribed terrorist entities.

Speaker 17 A Home Office announcement in April reads

Speaker 32 The Terrogram Collective has been prescribed as a terrorist organization today after Parliament approved a draft order laid on Monday, the 22nd of April.

Speaker 32 This order makes belonging to the Terragram Collective or inviting support for the group a criminal offence with a potential prison sentence of 14 years which can be handed down alongside or in place of a fine.

Speaker 32 In addition, Section 58 makes it a criminal offence for a person to collect or possess information which is likely to be useful to a person committing or repairing for acts of terrorism, including where an individual views or accesses documents or records containing information of that kind.

Speaker 32 The Terragram Collective has now been added to the list of prescribed organizations in the UK, alongside 80 other organizations.

Speaker 17 And with that announcement, Terragram is now a foreign terrorist organization.

Speaker 17 And because people died in at least one of the incidents the government laid out in the indictment as an act the defendants incited,

Speaker 17 they could go away for life.

Speaker 17 As Allie Winston put it in that wired article, quote, in other words, the U.S. is treating Terrogram in ways similar to how it has treated Islamist terrorist organizations.

Speaker 17 Terrorism researcher Seamus Hughes told Winston, quote,

Speaker 17 I would think of this case more like an old school terrorism investigation, where you have a leadership cell that pushed info to followers and radicalized them into action.

Speaker 17 Cases involving this particular charge are typically those involving groups like ISIS or al-Qaeda.

Speaker 17 I don't think we've seen this used before against white nationalist, domestic, terror organizations.

Speaker 17 Using this legal framework against a group like the Terrogram Collective may signal a shift in the DOJ's strategy for targeting white nationalist terrorism in the United States. It's a big swing.

Speaker 17 As Hughes said, quote, it shows that either the feds are trying to make a point or they were very concerned about these particular actors.

Speaker 17 And maybe it's both, right?

Speaker 17 It was long past time to do something,

Speaker 17 anything, anything at all, about the most significant network of neo-Nazi terrorist propaganda on the English-speaking internet. People have already died.

Speaker 17 There's every reason to believe the undercover agents they had in the group knew that more people would die if something didn't disrupt the organization.

Speaker 17 And maybe the Justice Department is just feeling a little more willing to use the tools they have to do something about right-wing extremism more generally. generally.

Speaker 17 This is obviously a much more seismic shift in policy, but we were just talking last week about the false statements charges against a soldier who allegedly lied about his extremist activities.

Speaker 17 And those charges were unusual and perhaps indicative of a shift in policy and strategy.

Speaker 17 I suppose it doesn't behoove me to make wilder speculations than the experts are willing to make, so we'll stick with what Seamus Hughes told Allie Winston.

Speaker 17 A case like this had to get sign-off at the highest levels. Somebody in the DOJ wanted this network shut down.

Speaker 17 When the pair were arrested earlier this month, authorities searched their homes.

Speaker 17 Dallas Humber had 3D printed guns, high-capacity magazines, a short-barreled rifle, unregistered firearms, a lot of Nazi propaganda, her own manifestos, and a notebook listing the white supremacist attackers with whom she corresponds, including Dylan Roof.

Speaker 17 When Matthew Allison was arrested, he was, quote, wearing a backpack containing zip ties, duct tape, a gun, ammunition, a knife, lockpicking equipment, two phones, and a thumb drive.

Speaker 17 After his arrest, Allison was advised of his rights but waived them and quickly confessed in a recorded interview to engaging in the acts alleged in the indictment.

Speaker 17 The pair are currently held without bond, with the government citing their own statements about their willingness to die in a shootout rather than be arrested, about Allison's go bag, which indicates a desire to flee the country, the severity of the charges, which could send them to prison for the rest of their lives, and their own prior statements expressing a willingness to murder or to have murdered people they suspect are cooperating witnesses against other Terrogram members, like Brendan Russell.

Speaker 17 These cooperating witnesses have been given permission by the government to testify in a closed courtroom without being named in Brandon Russell's case.

Speaker 17 For Humber and Allison, there is not currently a date set for their next appearance in court. And with Humber and Allison in custody, the current version of the Terragram Collective is dead.

Speaker 17 But what does that mean?

Speaker 17 This is only one head of a hydra.

Speaker 17 Just as new leaders emerged after Slovak Bro was arrested in 2022, Just as Brandon Russell continued to communicate with Humber after his arrest in 2023, a new poster will rise to take their place.

Speaker 17 Hopefully, this case signals a shift in the government's approach to throwing up roadblocks in the paths of aspiring Nazi terrorists.

Speaker 17 Because a dildo saleswoman from California and a failed DJ from Idaho may spend the rest of their lives behind bars.

Speaker 17 But it's only a matter of time before a new voice starts whispering white terror into the ears of impressionable teenage boys who are desperate to die in a way that will impress 4chan posters.

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