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Speaker 5 You can't imagine the sleepless nights for 30 years trying to hold on to painful memories because one day it might be important to be told in court.

Speaker 8 I was 23 years old.

Speaker 5 I worked third shift, 11 o'clock at night until 7 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 5 It was March 11th, quarter after 7 in the morning.

Speaker 5 There was still a little bit of snow on the ground. As I stepped on the porch, Clyde was usually happy to jump all over me, but he cowered from me.
I thought, well, that was unusual.

Speaker 5 And I put the key in the door, and once I unlocked the door, then he was jumping all over me like, oh, thank God you're here.

Speaker 5 And I didn't think much of it at the time until I opened up the door.

Speaker 8 I

Speaker 5 stood in the doorway for a while.

Speaker 5 I didn't want to believe what I was seeing.

Speaker 8 My brain didn't want to accept what I was seeing.

Speaker 8 I was actually trying to hear her breath. And she just wouldn't breathe.

Speaker 5 Then all of a sudden it was, Christopher, is my son okay?

Speaker 14 It was around 7.30 in the morning.

Speaker 15 Phone rang.

Speaker 14 Said somebody

Speaker 15 killed Marilyn last night. She's dead.

Speaker 15 And I just started screaming. Nelp Marilyn.

Speaker 15 Help Marilyn.

Speaker 14 I am Carolyn Ron. Marilyn McIntyre was my twin sister.

Speaker 14 Why would somebody do that to an 18-year-old?

Speaker 8 It was a heinous crime is what it was.

Speaker 11 I was there.

Speaker 8 I seen the body.

Speaker 17 My name is Lee Erdman, and I was the chief of police in Columbus, Wisconsin in 1980.

Speaker 17 We're looking for a mean individual.

Speaker 8 Not a stranger.

Speaker 11 It's someone in the immediate family or a close friend.

Speaker 5 I knew it was coming. Her husband, nine times out of ten, usually is the guy that did it.

Speaker 18 I just automatically thought Lane.

Speaker 18 I'm Brenda Daniels, Marilyn's older sister.

Speaker 19 Brenda and I did not agree from day one who committed the crime.

Speaker 14 I couldn't tell you how many trips we made to Columbus Police Department. Same run around.

Speaker 14 We'll get back to you. There's nothing new.

Speaker 17 But we never got enough information to secure a warrant for an arrest.

Speaker 14 Somewhere along the line, Columbus dropped the ball.

Speaker 9 After 1983, this case went cold. I am Wayne Smith.
I'm a lieutenant with the Columbia County Sheriff's Office.

Speaker 9 We take some personal pride in not having unsolved homicides in this county, and here we find out there is one, and not only is it unsolved, but it's you know nearly 30 years old.

Speaker 20 It was like an explosion.

Speaker 21 They thought it could be solved.

Speaker 9 It's something that shouldn't have taken this long. There was only going to be one try at this.
Witnesses were dying at this point. Memories certainly aren't improving after 30 years.

Speaker 9 So this was going to be it.

Speaker 7 Last chance for justice.

Speaker 12 Growing up in a small town,

Speaker 12 everybody knows everybody.

Speaker 12 It's been difficult, you know, not knowing exactly what happened.

Speaker 22 Growing up in Columbus, Wisconsin, 31-year-old Christopher McIntyre thought he had an idyllic small-town childhood.

Speaker 12 For the most part, I was happy and a normal kid growing up, just like everybody else.

Speaker 22 Until the day when he learned an awful truth.

Speaker 12 I guess I was about nine or ten. That's when my father decided to let me know.

Speaker 12 The woman I thought was my mother, I found out was not my real mother. He told me, you'll never meet your real mom.

Speaker 12 she's gone.

Speaker 22 Chris was only three months old and asleep in his crib when his mother, Marilyn, was murdered in 1980. His father, Lane, had struggled for years to find the right time to tell him.

Speaker 5 I was waiting for him to get a little older.

Speaker 22 That had to be really tough to hear.

Speaker 12 Yeah, confusing and tough, yes.

Speaker 14 She never got to hear Christopher call her mom.

Speaker 14 So much was taken away from her.

Speaker 22 Carolyn Ron is Marilyn McIntyre's identical twin. Her world was torn apart when her sister was brutally murdered nearly three decades ago.

Speaker 10 It was hell.

Speaker 14 I turned to alcohol. My marriage failed.

Speaker 14 I wasn't there for my children.

Speaker 23 I think she feels like when Marilyn died, a big part of her died.

Speaker 22 Carolyn's daughter, Tara Dussette, was born less than a year after Marilyn's death.

Speaker 23 My first memories are seeing my mom crying on the phone about Marilyn.

Speaker 22 As Tara grew up, she witnessed her mother's constant efforts to convince the Columbus Police Department to reopen Marilyn's case.

Speaker 14 I couldn't tell you how many detectives we went through. We didn't know where else to turn, where to go.

Speaker 22 In 2007, 27 years after Marilyn's murder, Tara decided to take matters into her own hands. She She made a phone call that would prove to be fateful.
Ironically, she called the wrong number.

Speaker 23 I thought I was calling the Columbus Police Department, and instead it was the number to the Columbia County Sheriff's Department.

Speaker 9 I had never heard that there was an unsolved homicide within the county. It wasn't in our record system.

Speaker 22 After reviewing the case, Detective Lieutenant Wayne Smith made a crucial decision. The Sheriff's Department would reopen the investigation.
You can tell her right away that they cared.

Speaker 14 They seemed shocked that it had went on this long.

Speaker 5 That's right in the living room where she was found.

Speaker 22 As Smith and County detectives began digging into the old case files from 1980, their first question was simple. Who was Marilyn McIntyre?

Speaker 14 She was my best friend.

Speaker 22 Marilyn and Carolyn Ron were born on November 14th, 1961. Only five years later,

Speaker 22 tragedy struck.

Speaker 14 Our real mother was killed in a car accident in 1966.

Speaker 22 The twins, along with older siblings, Brenda and Dean, were soon living with their father and an abusive stepmother.

Speaker 14 It was

Speaker 14 physically abusive, mentally, verbally abusive. And it was mainly on Marilyn and I.

Speaker 14 And at the age of 13, we finally moved into foster care.

Speaker 22 At age 16, Marilyn was looking for stability in her life, something she found in 21-year-old Lane McIntyre.

Speaker 5 I was just enamored with Marilyn right away. It was instant.

Speaker 8 She's so pretty.

Speaker 5 I was like, just control yourself, you know.

Speaker 14 It was vlog at first sight.

Speaker 8 I wanted to take care of her, you know, be there for her.

Speaker 22 But while Carolyn approved of the relationship, Marilyn's older sister Brenda was wary.

Speaker 18 I just didn't think he was good enough for Marilyn.

Speaker 18 She had a rough life growing up.

Speaker 18 Was this guy going to make it any easier?

Speaker 24 No.

Speaker 22 Despite Brenda's concerns, the couple married on January 19th, 1979, when Marilyn was just 17 years old.

Speaker 5 It was a small party, maybe only a dozen people, but it was one of the happiest days of my life.

Speaker 22 Soon, Lane and Marilyn added a new member to the family when Christopher was born in December of that year.

Speaker 5 That coming summer was going to be the best summer of our lives being husband and wife with a brand new baby.

Speaker 22 The evening of March 10th, 1980, started like any other night in the home of Lane and Marilyn McIntyre.

Speaker 5 We did laundry, and then I left for work.

Speaker 22 Do you remember the last thing you said to Marilyn or what she said to you?

Speaker 5 She said, I love you. Do you love me?

Speaker 8 Of course I do.

Speaker 22 The next time Lane saw his wife,

Speaker 22 she was dead.

Speaker 22 And what did you see when you walked in?

Speaker 11 A body on the floor with a knife sticking in the side of her chest and a mutilated head.

Speaker 22 Lee Ehrman was the Columbus police chief in 1980. He found it significant that there was no sign of forced entry or a robbery, indicating that Marilyn knew her killer.

Speaker 17 Speculation was she might have answered the door

Speaker 11 and let someone in.

Speaker 22 Betty Clintz, who lived in the apartment above the McIntyres, learned about Marilyn's death from Lane himself. It was about five, ten after seven.
Somebody pounded on our door downstairs. It was Lane.

Speaker 22 And he said, Did you hear anything last night?

Speaker 22 He said, I just found my wife murdered.

Speaker 22 By the time Chief Urban knocked on her door, Betty remembered that she did hear something unusual in the middle of the night.

Speaker 22 About quarter after three in the morning, I woke up and the dog was just barking up a storm, and it was like he was pulling on something. Whose dog? Lane and Marilyn's.
And was it unusual?

Speaker 22 Well, I'd never heard him bark before like that.

Speaker 22 Based on Betty's statement, police believe the murder occurred around 3.15 in the morning, a time when Marilyn's husband said he was at work.

Speaker 5 I never left.

Speaker 22 Lane did, however, give police their first big lead. When they asked you

Speaker 22 who might be a suspect, you gave the name Kurt Forbes.

Speaker 25 I did. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I don't remember.

Speaker 8 I probably did.

Speaker 22 Did you consider Kurt Forbes one of your best friends?

Speaker 5 At that time, yes. At that time, I didn't know what he was capable of.

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Speaker 8 I was just mystified.

Speaker 5 I'm just trying to understand why.

Speaker 5 Why to Maryland?

Speaker 22 As police were running down Lane McIntyre's apparent alibi for the night his wife Marilyn died, he was offering them another suspect, one of his best friends, Curtis Forbes.

Speaker 22 Why would Kurt Forbes kill your wife?

Speaker 5 I believe that Kurt Forbes had a crush on Marilyn.

Speaker 5 And his girlfriend just left him

Speaker 5 and he was on the prowl that night.

Speaker 27 That's our engagement picture.

Speaker 22 Curtis Forbes was engaged to marry 22-year-old Debbie Adelson in March of 1980.

Speaker 27 You know, I was young back then, in love. He was what I wanted in my world.

Speaker 22 The couple hung out frequently with the McIntyres.

Speaker 27 We'd play cards, or we'd go fishing, we'd go out to eat. We got to be really close friends.

Speaker 22 But according to Lane, Marilyn soon heard some disturbing news about Kurt.

Speaker 5 Debbie began to tell

Speaker 5 Marilyn stories about abuse.

Speaker 22 Lane says Debbie confided in Marilyn that Kurt would occasionally beat her up and that just days before Marilyn's murder, Debbie broke up with Kurt. Had Marilyn encouraged Deborah to leave?

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 22 Lane believes the newly single Kurt Forbes was looking for some action on the night Marilyn was killed.

Speaker 5 And then he goes, aha, I'll go check on Lane's wife. Lane's at work.

Speaker 8 I believe he had the intention to rape.

Speaker 22 Former police chief Lee Erdman questioned Kurt about his whereabouts on the early morning hours of March 11th.

Speaker 17 He said he had went out. and proceeded to play pool and have a good time.

Speaker 22 According to witnesses, Kurt tried to pick up a woman at the bar. She rejected him.
When the bar closed at 1 a.m., he drove to the house of another woman, Lori Heft.

Speaker 25 I was home with my then-boyfriend.

Speaker 22 According to Lori, Kurt arrived around 1.15 a.m. and stayed just a few minutes.
Why do you think Kurt stopped by your house that night?

Speaker 25 I think that he was going to probably try and make sexual advances towards me.

Speaker 22 After leaving Lori's, Kurt said he drove to Debbie Adelson's house, arriving after 2 a.m.

Speaker 22 But when investigators talked to Debbie Adelson and her parents, what time did they say he arrived?

Speaker 10 Four o'clock.

Speaker 22 So there's two hours. Yeah.
Unaccounted for. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Where did he go?

Speaker 10 What did he do?

Speaker 22 And then, just one day after he was grilled grilled by police, Kurt Forbes skipped town.

Speaker 5 Innocent people don't run. Kurt Forbes ran.

Speaker 22 Kurt soon sent letters to Lane and Debbie.

Speaker 5 Dear Lane, I don't know how to express my sympathy for you at this time.

Speaker 27 I don't want to go to jail for something I didn't do.

Speaker 27 There's too much circumstantial evidence against me, so I have to go.

Speaker 22 But what was the circumstantial evidence against him that he's talking about?

Speaker 27 What people were saying, that he was violent.

Speaker 22 Debbie initially told police that Kurt had arrived at her parents' house at 4 a.m. on the night of Marilyn's murder, but later said she might have been mistaken.

Speaker 27 It was either 10 after 4 or 20 after 2. I just saw the two hands.

Speaker 22 The circumstantial case against Kurt seemed to be weak, and police soon learned that none of the physical evidence taken at the crime scene could be linked to him either.

Speaker 22 After two months on the lamb, Kurt returned to the Columbus area. And just five months later, he and Debbie Adelson were married.
Did you have any questions about marrying him?

Speaker 27 None.

Speaker 22 But you knew other people were talking about him.

Speaker 27 I think that back then it was more they were talking about

Speaker 27 Lane.

Speaker 22 And in fact, around Columbus, suspicion had begun to shift away from Kurt and back towards Marilyn's husband.

Speaker 22 I thought maybe Lane did it. Betty Clunts had always felt uncomfortable about her neighbor's calm demeanor when he came to her door the morning of the murder.

Speaker 22 If I was him and it was my wife, I probably would have started in like this. You know, my God, I just came home from work and I found my wife murdered.
But no, he just said it in a nice, calm voice.

Speaker 22 Betty told the police about frequent fights that she heard between Marilyn and Lane. Neighbors say that you guys would argue.

Speaker 8 That's their speculation.

Speaker 5 The McIntyre family, we're voicerous. We'd talk loud in our house.

Speaker 22 And Marilyn's older sister, Brenda, who had never liked Lane, believed he had a motive for killing his wife.

Speaker 18 Lane looked at me and he goes, Brenda, guess what I did?

Speaker 18 I took all life insurance policy. Marilyn.

Speaker 22 It turns out Lane had purchased a $10,000 life insurance policy from Marilyn less than a week before her murder.

Speaker 18 Three days later, she's dead.

Speaker 18 I was mortified.

Speaker 22 And that wasn't all. Within months of Marilyn's death, Lane was dating, and he soon remarried.

Speaker 18 He was just getting on with his life like it was nothing.

Speaker 5 I'm a young man. I've got a three-month-old baby.
I needed another woman in my life.

Speaker 22 Although there was suspicious circumstantial evidence against both Lane and Kurt, the police did not arrest either man. Instead, their investigation mysteriously ground to a halt.

Speaker 22 Four years go by.

Speaker 22 Five years go by.

Speaker 14 Our thoughts that would never be sold.

Speaker 22 For Lane, each passing year brought increased scrutiny.

Speaker 5 My own son was taught to think I did it.

Speaker 12 Things started to go sour between me and my father.

Speaker 22 Did you ever just say, Dad,

Speaker 22 did you have anything to do with this?

Speaker 9 I did not.

Speaker 12 It'd be such a hard question to ask. Dad, did you have something to do with killing mom?

Speaker 22 At age 15, the tension between father and son reached a boiling point, and Christopher moved out of the house.

Speaker 12 I lost mother,

Speaker 12 and now I feel like I lost father.

Speaker 22 The toll on Marilyn's family would continue to grow.

Speaker 23 You know, we've grown up in broken homes our whole life because they didn't know how to carry on after Marilyn died.

Speaker 22 Years would turn into decades, and still no answers.

Speaker 22 Until that fateful call.

Speaker 9 When I took a look at this case, my question was: why didn't he get arrested in 1980?

Speaker 9 I made a promise to the victim's family. We will do our best at this, and I believe when we're done, we'll be able to tell you who I believe did it.
That's so important, we should.

Speaker 22 In 2007, Columbia County Sheriff's Detectives reopened the investigation into Marilyn McIntyre's murder.

Speaker 22 And after digging into the old case files, they found a piece of evidence that would soon blow the case wide open.

Speaker 9 There was this very small stain in a bathroom sink that had the victim's blood in it.

Speaker 22 In 1980, blood and hair samples had been taken from the crime scene. More than two decades later, that blood evidence was sent to the Wisconsin State Crime Lab for DNA testing.

Speaker 9 When the report came back on that, there was possibly two other contributors. However, one of those contributors was not not Lane McIntyre.
He was 100% excluded from that.

Speaker 22 And is there any of the suspects? A possible contributor?

Speaker 13 There is.

Speaker 22 When the lab compared DNA from a sample of Kurt Forbes' hair to the stain in the sink, he was listed as a possible contributor in that scene.

Speaker 22 But Wayne Smith knew there were limits to this DNA evidence.

Speaker 9 You have to remember that, you know, this is likely a pinhead-sized stain in a sink.

Speaker 22 And being a possible contributor was not conclusive proof. The lab results showed that it wasn't necessarily Kurt.
The DNA could also come from one out of every 98 people. But it wasn't her husband.

Speaker 9 But it wasn't her husband, and it wasn't any single other person that had ever been mentioned as a suspect or had been in that house. Because we tested them.

Speaker 22 So Smith and county investigators focused their attention on Kurt Forbes and began to re-interview everyone connected to the crime.

Speaker 25 I wasn't worried about not remembering.

Speaker 22 Lorihalf told detectives that on March 11, 1980, Kurt stopped by her house at around 1.15 a.m.

Speaker 25 He was there for five minutes.

Speaker 22 She also recalled a conversation she had just weeks later with Kurt's girlfriend, Debbie Adelson.

Speaker 25 She said, well, he showed up at my place around four o'clock with blood on his shirt and wanted me to take care of it.

Speaker 27 I don't even know her.

Speaker 22 Debbie, who was still married to Kurt Forbes in 2007, remembers that time very differently. She says there never was a shirt with blood.

Speaker 22 So if Lori says that you talked about the fact that there was blood on a shirt, she's not telling the truth?

Speaker 27 How can it be?

Speaker 22 And in fact, when Lori gave police a statement back in 1981, she never mentioned a bloody shirt. Why wouldn't you tell the police that she also mentioned blood?

Speaker 25 I assumed that Deborah had brought that up.

Speaker 22 Detectives heard other rumors. Family and friends of the Adelsons said that Debbie's mom talked about washing Kurt's bloody clothes that night.

Speaker 9 We would love to have talked to her parents because I believe that they had really good information.

Speaker 22 But unfortunately, Debbie's parents were no longer alive. None of the statements could be verified.

Speaker 9 For some reason, this family wasn't interviewed about Kurt's arrival at their home. And that's a critical piece of evidence.

Speaker 22 Detectives spent two years sorting through the evidence and interviewing more than 60 witnesses.

Speaker 9 It got to the point where Kurt was the only one left to talk to at this point.

Speaker 22 Finally, on March 24th, 2009, 29 years after Marilyn's murder, Kurt Forbes was served with a search warrant and brought in for questioning.

Speaker 7 Attorney Hortony, before you sit down, what I'd like to do, I guess, is is go back to March 10, 1980.

Speaker 28 That night, he goes at the town table for a little while, and then

Speaker 28 I left there.

Speaker 22 When asked what time he arrived at the Adelson's house, Kurt remained consistent.

Speaker 22 inaccurate or it would have stopped you would have had to do.

Speaker 22 After nearly an hour of questioning, Wayne Smith tells Kurt that his DNA was found mixed with Marilyn's blood in the bathroom sink.

Speaker 28 How do you explain that your DNA has been hurt? The blood.

Speaker 28 I wouldn't know. Wasn't dragging it off.
My DNA is in her blood.

Speaker 28 Wow.

Speaker 22 As Kurt's interrogation stretched on, two other detectives visited his wife at home.

Speaker 27 I was in shock.

Speaker 27 I didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 22 she agreed to answer their questions but didn't realize the interview was being recorded i know you know that we've reopened this case

Speaker 22 she was asked about kurt's rumored bloody shirt did it have blood on it i don't remember that no i can't say

Speaker 22 you can't say or you can't remember i can't remember As detectives continued to push Debbie about the bloody shirt, her answers began to change.

Speaker 29 He showed up at the house with bloody clothes and your mom washed him.

Speaker 30 I know you know that.

Speaker 30 I yeah, but I just don't remember it right now.

Speaker 22 But you just said yeah

Speaker 22 Finally after more than four hours of questioning Debbie's memory of that night seemed to return he had a white shirt on underneath the blue sweater and I saw blood tonight.

Speaker 31 You did now I remember that

Speaker 31 I know I asked about the blood and he told me some bulls and I can't remember what he told me.

Speaker 30 And I believe it?

Speaker 22 Hours later, armed with Debbie's damning new information, detectives arrested Kurt Forbes for the murder of Marilyn McIntyre.

Speaker 9 I knew 100% Kurt Forbes was the one that was responsible for this murder.

Speaker 22 But making that case to a jury was about to get much tougher. After a judge ruled that the crucial DNA evidence that seemed to place Kurt Forbes at the crime scene would not be allowed a trial.

Speaker 9 It was devastating, and I thought there was a greater chance that he'd get away with it.

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Speaker 14 Looks like we got him.

Speaker 14 We finally got him.

Speaker 22 29 years after Marilyn McIntyre's murder, her family believed detectives finally had the right man, Curtis Forbes.

Speaker 22 Even Marilyn's sister Brenda, who had long suspected Lane McIntyre, was convinced. Is there one moment, one piece of evidence that made you change?

Speaker 27 Yeah, when the bloodstain hit Kurt's DNA in it.

Speaker 22 But then a judge threw out that DNA evidence, ruling it was not conclusive enough to be used against Forbes.

Speaker 36 Is our job tougher?

Speaker 6 Absolutely, but that doesn't mean we can't get it done.

Speaker 22 Assistant Attorney General David Wambach decided to move forward anyway with a completely circumstantial case.

Speaker 37 We're behind Kurt 100% in this ordeal.

Speaker 22 Kurt's brothers, Mike and Dennis, believe the charges should have been dropped.

Speaker 37 Well, I am angry, you know, they threw my brother in prison for nothing.

Speaker 22 But on November 9th, 2010, Curtis Forbes goes on trial for murder.

Speaker 22 It begins with a dispute over when Marilyn died, an important issue since Lane McIntyre has an alibi for the hours between 11 p.m. and 7 a.m., while Kurt Forbes' whereabouts are in question.

Speaker 22 So what time do you believe that Marilyn McIntyre was murdered?

Speaker 6 I believe that it's sometime very close to 3.15, and that's why Clyde, the dog, is acting up the way he is.

Speaker 22 That information came from the McIntyre's upstairs neighbor, Betty Clintz.

Speaker 22 I had to get up around,

Speaker 22 oh, between 3 and and 3.30 because the dog was having such a fuss outside.

Speaker 22 And there's a second witness, a friend of the McIntyre's, who drove by their house twice on the night of the crime. First at around 12.30 a.m.

Speaker 6 Did you notice whether or not the lights were on when you went past to go home?

Speaker 24 No, I didn't see no lights.

Speaker 22 Then again, at around 3.15.

Speaker 24 At that time, I noticed the porch light was on and the dog was tied outside.

Speaker 22 That evidence says the prosecutor proves that Marilyn had to be alive between midnight and 3.15 a.m. on March 11th to turn on the light and let the dog out.

Speaker 13 A cat can go in the litter box.

Speaker 37 The dog, you got to let him out.

Speaker 22 But the defense says Marilyn died earlier before Lane went to work. They point to the testimony of the McIntyre's other neighbor.

Speaker 22 She lived next door to Lane and Marilyn and heard a noise coming from their apartment at 10 p.m. on March 10th.

Speaker 25 We went to bed and we could hear voices like they were maybe arguing or something.

Speaker 22 But that was all the neighbor heard. And Wambach reminds the jury that Marilyn had a three-month-old baby who needed to be fed every few hours.

Speaker 22 You're saying somebody would have heard that baby crying.

Speaker 13 Exactly.

Speaker 6 And we knew that none of the neighbors had heard any crying.

Speaker 22 Wombach now moves on to the next important point in the timeline. What time did Kurt Forbes arrive at Debbie Adelson's home that night? At 2 a.m.
or 4 a.m.

Speaker 6 If he actually got there at 2 o'clock, then it doesn't look like he's the one to have committed the murder.

Speaker 22 Because Debbie says she could no longer be sure when Kurt turned up, the prosecutor calls witnesses who spoke to Debbie back in 1980 about Kurt's arrival.

Speaker 6 What time did Debbie say Kurt showed up at her parents'?

Speaker 12 I believe it was around 4 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 25 She said it was at 4 o'clock.

Speaker 21 About 4 o'clock in the morning?

Speaker 22 For Kurt Forbes, the case hangs on this one question.

Speaker 22 Where was Kurt from 1.30 in the morning to 4 in the morning? I have no idea.

Speaker 37 We never asked him.

Speaker 22 With his case winding down, Wambach knew that his most crucial witness was also the most unpredictable.

Speaker 27 I didn't ask for any of this.

Speaker 22 On the day of Kurt's arrest in 2009, Debbie Forbes told detectives that she had seen blood on Kurt's shirt on the night of the murder. But on the stand, Debbie now denies she saw anything.

Speaker 20 Did you see anything on his clothing that you took notice of?

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 22 You did tell them that Kurt had blood on his shirt that night.

Speaker 27 I don't remember saying that.

Speaker 27 And I know I didn't see it.

Speaker 27 And how they got me to say that, they could have gotten me to say anything at that point.

Speaker 22 Did Kurt show up with blood on his shirt? The prosecutor has one final piece of evidence he believes provides the answer.

Speaker 11 Debbie, what's going on?

Speaker 22 A prison phone call between Kurt and Debbie Forbes recorded just two days after Kurt's arrest.

Speaker 20 The facts are, Deborah, I did not murder Marilyn McIntyre.

Speaker 27 Then where'd the bloody shirt come from?

Speaker 28 I'll explain all that.

Speaker 5 I did not kill Marilyn.

Speaker 27 Well, explain it to me then.

Speaker 20 I'm not on the phone. I need a lawyer, Debbie.

Speaker 36 What's so beautiful about it, too, is what it doesn't say.

Speaker 36 He doesn't say, what blood?

Speaker 22 What do you mean blood?

Speaker 22 But Curtis Forbes attorneys downplay the call. They point to the fact that there was no physical evidence linking Kurt to the crime scene.
None of the hairs were consistent with Curtis Forbes.

Speaker 22 And then, to create more doubt in the mind of the jurors, the defense calls an unlikely witness, Lane McIntyre.

Speaker 5 I knew I was going to be grilled and I didn't care.

Speaker 22 Forbes attorney wastes no time putting Lane in the hot seat.

Speaker 20 Approximately three days before the death of your wife, did you have occasion to talk to an insurance agent?

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 20 And what did you do with relation to that insurance agent?

Speaker 5 He showed up on my doorstep unannounced, solicited me. You're a young man starting a young family.

Speaker 8 You need life insurance.

Speaker 22 Lane is peppered with questions about finding his wife murdered.

Speaker 8 I stood in the doorway trying to accept what I was seeing.

Speaker 22 About pointing the finger at his best friend.

Speaker 20 Did you tell officers that a person they might want to look at was Kurt Forbes?

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 22 And about whether he and Marilyn argued before he went to work.

Speaker 20 You do not recall an argument that you had with Marilyn McIntyre on March 10th, 1980, between the time you got home and the time you went to work.

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 5 He was trying to accuse me of killing Marilyn and then going to work like nothing happened.

Speaker 22 As the trial comes to a close, the jury must decide, is the right man on trial? Did Kurt Forbes kill Marilyn McIntyre? Or did her husband, Lane?

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Speaker 21 Hopefully, Marilyn gets the justice that she deserves.

Speaker 22 On On November 15, 2010, after six days of testimony and more than 45 witnesses,

Speaker 22 the fate of Curtis Forbes is in the hands of the jury.

Speaker 14 We thought it was going to be an all-night thing, and we'd be back in the morning.

Speaker 22 Instead, the jury is out just two and a half hours.

Speaker 14 Thinking this can't be good?

Speaker 22 The families of Kurt Forbes and Marilyn McIntyre

Speaker 22 scrambled back into the courtroom for the verdict.

Speaker 7 It was probably the scariest point in my life.

Speaker 6 Everything at that point is resting in that moment for the judge to read the verdict.

Speaker 20 We, the jury, find the defendant, Curtis E.

Speaker 15 Forbes, guilty of first-degree murder.

Speaker 5 It was just like

Speaker 10 dated this 15th day of

Speaker 18 2000. We just went nuts.

Speaker 5 All this pain that I had to carry, this baggage, I could finally let go of.

Speaker 22 For Marilyn's family, it's the end of three decades of pent-up anguish.

Speaker 16 Justice for Marilyn. Finally.

Speaker 10 Finally.

Speaker 4 God,

Speaker 10 finally over now.

Speaker 22 But on the other side of the courtroom, where the Forbes family sits, he is innocent.

Speaker 11 It was just

Speaker 14 unreal.

Speaker 22 Devastation.

Speaker 37 They found a guy guilty of murder and put him in jail for life and only deliberated in two hours on circumstantial evidence? Get that out of my face.

Speaker 22 It was a quick verdict, in part, says prosecutor David Wambach, because the jury believed there had been a bloody shirt.

Speaker 6 If you can convince them to say I have no doubt that Kurt Forbes had blood on him and that that was Marilyn's blood. Everything else just falls in behind that.

Speaker 27 There was never any blood.

Speaker 22 But even today, Debbie Forbes insists that she never saw blood on Kurt that night. When you, though, called Kurt on the phone, you asked him.

Speaker 27 Then where'd the bloody shirt come from?

Speaker 28 I'll explain all that.

Speaker 27 Yeah, I wanted to know about this bloody shirt everybody was talking about. I hadn't seen one.

Speaker 22 Do Do you believe that Deborah Forbes lied on the stand? Well,

Speaker 22 yes, she

Speaker 8 committed perjury.

Speaker 6 I don't think that the jury found much of anything that she said or did to be believable.

Speaker 22 But Debbie now no longer seems willing to protect the man she married 30 years ago. Do you think you know the truth now?

Speaker 27 It's in there. Just have to accept accept it.

Speaker 22 Sounds like, Debbie, you do believe your husband killed Marilyn McIntyre.

Speaker 22 That's tough, isn't it?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Three months after the verdict, Kurt Forbes is sentenced to life in prison.

Speaker 37 Whatever...

Speaker 12 tiny little bit of doubt I would have had, my mind was

Speaker 24 clearly pushed out.

Speaker 22 Finally convinced of his father's innocence, Christopher McIntyre is looking forward to repairing their relationship. So is Lane.

Speaker 5 Marilyn would want her son and her husband to be the best of friends. We got a lot of catching up to do.

Speaker 22 Following the sentencing,

Speaker 22 Marilyn McIntyre's family visits her final resting place.

Speaker 12 They're beautiful. Yellow is her favorite color.

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Speaker 22 Justice from Maryland.

Speaker 22 They release balloons

Speaker 22 and with them more than 30 years of pain and frustration.

Speaker 5 If you can imagine being judged when you're telling the truth for 30 years

Speaker 5 and then finally after all these years, finally vindication.

Speaker 23 My mom can start a new life. Our family is going to start a new life now.

Speaker 9 This family was persistent.

Speaker 22 Detective Lieutenant Smith and Assistant Attorney General Wambach are quick to acknowledge that without Marilyn's family, her murder would never have been solved.

Speaker 9 It's to their credit that they kept this case alive.

Speaker 8 If it took me till the day I died, I was never given up.

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