Part Three: P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes

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Speaker 1 So the late 1990s is an era in which Bad Boy Records is growing by leaps and bounds and Diddy is getting rich as fuck. We are talking the insane pile.

Speaker 1 The cash pile so large that your only option is to either get really into cocaine or start a series of ill-conceived small businesses. Yes, yeah, absolutely.
Diddy, I'm sure, does both, actually.

Speaker 1 Oh, I had two choices.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 I was going to sit in that failure.

Speaker 1 Or I was going to make a decision to step out of the darkness.

Speaker 1 And dig into the darkness, buddy. He steps out of the darkness to launch a restaurant called Justin.
This is named after his oldest son.

Speaker 1 He starts the first Justin in New York City in 1997 and he franchises it out to Atlanta the following year. The New York location shuts down after about a decade.

Speaker 1 Sean claims because he wanted to find a larger location, but he just never opens a new one. I think it just failed.

Speaker 1 This is the story of my mom when she said she was going to build the house on top of the basement that we lived in.

Speaker 1 And then we just lived in a basement for like eight years.

Speaker 1 Good times, mom. Thanks.
Yeah. Yeah.
This is Diddy's version of that. Now, the Atlanta location hangs on a little while longer.
It eventually shuts down in 2012. Why?

Speaker 1 Here's a summary from an article in BET. In July 2011, Diddy was sued after music executive Tony Austin, a patron of the Atlanta eatery, was shot in the parking lot.

Speaker 1 Austin, former ANR for Def Jam and the president of Russell Simmons Music Group, says he was in his car listening to music with another man when someone opened fire on the vehicle.

Speaker 1 Austin alleged that the proprietors of Justin's were aware of of dangerous and hazardous conditions at the establishment, but failed to provide warning or security. Now, isn't that something?

Speaker 1 Isn't that something shocking? Shocking.

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Speaker 1 Now, by the time Justin's opened, Sean had split from Justin's mother to date a model named Kim Porter, who gave him his second son. In 1998, he launched a fashion label, Sean John.
Sean John.

Speaker 1 Sean John. Yeah, man.
And it was the it brand. You know, that was the shit.
It was boss and Sean John and Foo Boo, man. We can say markedly more successful than his restaurant.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Also, I need to fact-check you on the oldest son thing.

Speaker 1 He has an adopted son who's older named Quincy. Oh, okay.
And his adopted son who is older named Quincy. Sure.
Interesting, fascinating name.

Speaker 1 Now, that year, the year that he starts Sean John, he is nominated for five Grammys. If you want to know what a Grammy looks like, just look behind Will and Two right on camera.

Speaker 1 The light actually went off, I guess. But, you know, I wasn't in the mood to turn it back on.
I noticed it in episode 2. You got it fucking backlit.

Speaker 1 Was the first thing you did with that? Take a shot out of it. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
In fact, I think, you know what? To be fair, this is behind the bastards.

Speaker 1 Little, we should do this on air because, like, you know, it's like, how do you...

Speaker 1 What else do you do when when you get a grammy yeah so also true i need you to understand that when i got this grammy i was about to have a kid at the time i had a bad month where my car the transmission died it's just about basically my point is i had like maybe like 500 in my account i still spent two hundred dollars on a bottle of don julio

Speaker 1 priorities are important in life so that i could take a shot out of my grammy that's right because

Speaker 1 That's the only reason to get one of these things.

Speaker 1 What kind of person gets this to brag to their friends? No, like this is to take shots at it because it's funny.

Speaker 1 And you're not going to get content like this from the Pod Save America guys. You're not getting it from the Bulwark.
You're not getting it from last podcast on the left. Only behind the bastards.

Speaker 1 This is basically when Elon smoked a blow. And honestly, maybe Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan. You might get this on Joe Rogan.
You wouldn't get this on Joe Rogan. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 Although we would both be racist and one of us have some sex pest crimes behind us.

Speaker 1 You would be trying to convince my listeners to, I don't know, inject bleach into their assholes in order to build muscle mass. Yeah.
Eating like 600

Speaker 1 worms or

Speaker 1 was it silkworms, specifically

Speaker 1 silkworms.

Speaker 1 Eat silkworms for your colon health. You know, it's like every time.
I'd be trying, well, I do actually think you should eat more elk. It's delicious.
Now,

Speaker 1 it is delicious here. It's very tasty.
Now, so that year, the same year he opens Sean John, he gets nominated for five Grammys. Bad Boy pulls in $130 million in revenue.
What year is that? That is 98.

Speaker 1 Oh, 98. 98.
Okay, so do you know what Grammys those were that he won? That I don't know. I could have looked that up, but I'm a hack and a fraud.

Speaker 1 Now, from this point forward in the story, Sean has infinite money, right? Which he still does, basically.

Speaker 1 Now, as I noted last episode, he'd always had a knack for throwing huge media-driven parties. And now that he was actually a major celebrity himself, he kicked things up several notches.

Speaker 1 1998 is also the year of his first white party. These were the events where he'd invite piles of celebrities to his mansion in the Hamptons for what inevitably became the big event of the summer.

Speaker 1 And part of it is he becomes like the first black guy to move into this very rich white neighborhood.

Speaker 1 The white parties are in part how he kind of makes his neighbors cool with him is like, hey, you're some like lame bank CEO. You can be at this party with these cool people.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is starting to happen in the era of the internet, right? It's like this is 98.

Speaker 1 This is like the beginning of the internet where like, being seen with all these different, like, cool-hit people that are like big, because the white parties, you see the pictures of them.

Speaker 1 It's everybody's

Speaker 1 all of entertainment. Yeah.
And everyone wears white because Diddy thought he looked good in white. And to be honest, like, I don't want to be complimenting the man, but he doesn't look bad.

Speaker 1 That's not a bad look for him. That's not a bad look.
White parties, like, legit, it's like a pair of Air Ones, dude. They look good the first time you wear them.
And that is white, dude. White is

Speaker 1 the first time you wear it. It is the most beautiful, pristine, amazing-looking thing.
Now, then you have what, like 9:30, 10 p.m., that white starts getting kind of grody, you know?

Speaker 1 Well, part of what I love is you can really see the whole, like, he is, you know, part of the point of these parties is for like people who are rich but not very cool to get to feel cool.

Speaker 1 Look at some of the people below him, like that guy in the front. Like, they're just wearing white t-shirts.
You don't look like a rap star.

Speaker 1 Like, you get this wild mix of like beautiful people and also sometimes beautiful people looking just like normal weirdos at a party, which I always think is really interesting.

Speaker 1 You've got like, but part of it is because these first white parties are from the era before, like, there's no social media, so there's no social media filters. Photoshop tools aren't as easy to use.

Speaker 1 So you get a lot of shots of famous people actually looking like normal people at a party.

Speaker 1 Like, here's Leo DiCaprio and some other dudes drinking champagne, smoking cigarettes, and like not particularly looking like they're crazy rich and famous.

Speaker 1 Like, Leo looks like a a pretty normal fucking dude for sure. Yeah.
Yeah. And then

Speaker 1 Sophie's going to show you next.

Speaker 1 Regis Philbin. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's a photo of Regis Philbin, and I can only describe the look on his face. He looks like he is smiling like the devil.
Like, he, like, you would cast him in needful things.

Speaker 1 He is selling you a cursed Victrola. That's how Regis looks in this photo.

Speaker 1 And there's a couple other middle-aged white dudes in there, one of whom is grabbing a young woman's arm in a way that I would say looks kind of off-putting to me, but I don't know what was going on.

Speaker 2 Is that Vera Wang?

Speaker 1 Is that Vera Wang?

Speaker 1 The wedding dress designer?

Speaker 2 I don't, I can't tell. I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's kind of grainy. All of these people are rich.
Some of them are famous. I don't think that bald guy got famous for being a hip-hop star.

Speaker 1 The only poor people at these parties were the people catering it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the people being sex trafficked. And sex-trafficked.
God, look at Regis.

Speaker 2 Regis is like, I'm not touching.

Speaker 1 He's smiling like that. Like the devil.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 My hands are to my hands.

Speaker 1 You can see both of my hands. I ain't fucking up this.
What was it? Was it? He wants to be a millionaire at this point. I wish that we could just really see.

Speaker 1 God, really. Like if there was a guilt aura around every person that existed in this picture, like green to red in a scale of colors.
And the redder you are, the guiltier you are as a human being.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's going to be a fascinating shade above that crowd there. Everyone's going to have an aura that looks like the drink of the guy on the left, which is red.

Speaker 1 You are just as likely to be completely innocent in one of those parties. Well, and here's the thing: as you are to be parties, complicit in all the bullshit he did.

Speaker 1 There are definitely, especially at the end, at the after parties, the night parts, which not everyone stays for, there are definitely some sex crimes here.

Speaker 1 These are not the Diddy parties where most of the sex trafficking and crimes are happening. Happily, it should be mentioned.
These are two different events.

Speaker 1 There's a reason for it. The white parties are his PR.
This is where he goes to the city.

Speaker 1 So, legitimacy into the rich white community, like the Hamptons and all that bullshit, but also, you know, like their legitimacy into the black community as well. Right, right.

Speaker 1 And that is the point of these. And so these are largely less sketchy events for that reason.

Speaker 1 And it is his, he has another kind of party with another name that we'll be talking about that is where most of it, I'm not saying like there's no sex crimes happening here. There's definitely drugs.

Speaker 1 But the fact that someone was at a white party doesn't mean that they committed sex crimes.

Speaker 1 So I'm not saying Regis Philbin is a sex pest. I don't know Regis.
Maybe there have been allegations against him. If so, then I guess I am, but I don't know that.

Speaker 1 But these are his show parties, and he's a lot more careful about what happens here.

Speaker 1 The other parties, the parties you have heard stories about with the baby oil and the sex crimes, are what he called his freak off parties. like a dance off, but you know, with your freak.

Speaker 1 Get your freak on. Yeah.
I shouldn't laugh. They're dark.
They're dark. These are the sex crime parties.
If someone went to a freak off, you should assume they did some bad stuff. Yes.

Speaker 1 In almost every single one of these stories, there is a victim. There is very little willing participants of these things.

Speaker 1 Like, even the people who are willing participants might be coerced willing participants.

Speaker 1 It's very murky with a lot of the stuff that goes on.

Speaker 1 A lot of power. Blurred lines, you could say.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And again, this is definitely the place where we start talking about where blurred lines.

Speaker 1 Blurred lines. And people are also just doing lines.
Yeah. Yes, yeah, definitely.
He wasn't explicitly making me do this, but I knew that I could not say no type shit.

Speaker 1 And that is very, very strong in the Diddy story for sure.

Speaker 1 And another big part of it is, because there's different gradients of cases, a lot of these people are like, well, yeah, I said yes and I agreed and nobody threatened me.

Speaker 1 But also, I was there because I had just gotten started in this industry and I'm in front of the guy who could make my career. And like, I didn't think I had any other options.

Speaker 1 Like, these are also some of the things that are happening.

Speaker 1 I mean, we're into now the beginning of the Justin Bieber territory, which is like very much the Usher situation between Puffy and Usher, and then Usher and Justin Bieber and Justin Bieber.

Speaker 1 And there is a lot of like questionable interactions, like Justin Bieber spending a weekend at Puffy's house at like,

Speaker 1 what, like 12 years old or something like that. There's like some weird activity that happened that at the time we saw it happen and we were like, Huh,

Speaker 1 okay, you know, like, but like everybody now is definitely able to look at those situations and be like, that's actually, yeah, no, that's weird, you know, but the 90s, hey, let's be fair.

Speaker 1 It was the 90s, or the 90s, early 2000s, you know, when

Speaker 1 we were talking about Bieber. Probably

Speaker 1 for 12-year-old Justin Bieber to be at Diddy's house. Who am I to judge? Who are we to judge? We should have judged.
Yeah, we should have judged. We should have judged.

Speaker 1 At the White Party, it's like the most intense photo I've seen is Sean pouring champagne over what the New York Post describes as two unidentified near-naked women.

Speaker 1 It doesn't look nearly as sketchy as they describe it. The post and a lot of other tabloid coverage of these events does tend towards sensationalism about the wrong things.

Speaker 1 For example, this piece from September inside Sean Diddy Combs' Hampton sex parties featuring gay rappers who were high on ketamine.

Speaker 1 And like, you and I have both been to parties with gay rappers high on ketamine. That's not the problem.
Yeah. Not at all.
And some gay rappers are doing ketamine. That's not what's the issue.

Speaker 1 In fact, some would say that was the best part of the party. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, those gay rappers, probably not committing sex crimes. Although maybe.

Speaker 1 Sometimes.

Speaker 1 But the point is, here's the thing:

Speaker 1 those white parties,

Speaker 1 those were press events. You don't have press at sex crime parties.
You have press at the events where you're committing sex crimes. Right, yeah,

Speaker 1 unless you, you know, that's part of the blackmail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But like, not that the two Venn diagram circles didn't interconnect, but without a, you know, it's like you don't invite the press to the parties where you're going to do the bad shit.

Speaker 1 No, no, because he's not, again, he's not stupid. That's why he got away with this for so long.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm not sure how seriously to take this post article, which has its source as just one anonymous Coke dealer, which again, not necessarily the most credible people on the planet.

Speaker 1 But here's a quote. The dealer said Diddy opened the door to his former Hamptons mansion while wearing nothing but a robe and brought him to a back bedroom to make a cocaine deal.

Speaker 1 Weird shit was starting to happen. Celebrity guys fucking each other.
There were back bedrooms, and it was like the inner sanctum.

Speaker 1 And this dealer talks about it like, I lost a lot of respect for those guys. He is not talking about the sex.
He's talking about like just people having gay sex. Gay sex, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Famous people fucking each other in a gay way, which is like fine. That's not the worst thing.
I don't want like the representatives to be talking about any of this stuff. But

Speaker 1 as far as I have ever experienced inside of like the hip-hop culture of America, it has only recently become taboo to to say the F-slur. It's not like that was an insult for most of the 2000s.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like it did not until like 2015 feel like it fell off the radar for that to be part of like your insult to another person is that they have gay sex with a person. So it's like

Speaker 1 certainly there is a vested interest in not publicizing this and people not knowing that it exists. It could be very different.

Speaker 1 And this being a secret of your, because you would be looked at differently, especially at this time. But even now, you would be looked at differently for these types of actions.

Speaker 1 And there's, you know, the dealer claims he also saw a mix of female rappers and prostitutes having sex there.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of where we do get into, because again, some of there's probably some trafficking at the white parties. And it's unclear to me, is he talking about a white party or a freak off?

Speaker 1 It's at the Hamptons. A little bit unclear, but we'll get to that later.

Speaker 1 Real quick on that same point, I just want to say at any event, right, whether you are, in fact, a prostitute or not, like there is a certain amount of hiring of females to be at a party to be overly friendly to the people at the party, right?

Speaker 1 Yes. It's one, it's very good to look like there's a lot of beautiful women here for sure.

Speaker 1 But also for the people that come to these things, they want to feel like there's girls that are there that are interested in them.

Speaker 1 This happens all the way from the normal Hollywood club type event all the way up to these parties.

Speaker 1 So it's not like when you talk about the sex trafficking element of all these things, like it may be somewhat innocent, but there's always an element of like hiring women to be morally available in ways at parties, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. Now, in 1999, Diddy was arrested on felony charges of assault and criminal mischief.
The chain of events began when Diddy was featured in the music video Hate Me Now with Nas.

Speaker 1 Both Diddy and Nas were crucified on a cross, which Diddy later decided was sacrilegious and asked to have cut. That's his line.
That's his line.

Speaker 1 That's where he calls it. Hey man, do not portray me as Jesus being crucified on a cross.

Speaker 1 Although I'm not going to lie, 12-year-old me or whatever it was, I thought that was the bangingest video I ever seen in my life. Like I remember that coming out and I remember seeing it.

Speaker 1 It was on TRL and I remember my mind being blown. Just like, oh my God, they crucified them? That's so sacrilegious.

Speaker 1 So to be fair as a roman catholic kid growing up in pennsylvania in the 90s i did kind of think yeah that holy shit that was sacrilegious like perspective is a very important piece of this whole thing and in the 90s that was sacrilegious as hell you know like that was some like marilyn man level of sacrilege going on inside of the community

Speaker 1 Oh man. So that's what flips him out.
And when he decides like, hey, cut this out. And then they air the unedited version anyway.

Speaker 1 And when the version with him being crucified airs, he blames the president of Interscope Records, Steve Stout.

Speaker 1 And he bursts into Stout's office with some goons and assaults him with, quote, a chair, a telephone, and a champagne bottle. Stout said of the beating.
One minute I'm in the middle of a meeting.

Speaker 1 And the next minute I'm down on the floor and Puffy and his guys are kicking and pounding me. One of them picks up a chair and throws it at me.
Then Puffy throws my desk over and they just walk out.

Speaker 1 like nothing happened. And his stance is, I think they were trying to kill me.
And I just, you know, happened to not die. I don't know.
I wasn't there. He seems to say it was very serious.

Speaker 1 Combs turned himself in a few days later and was charged with felony assault. He was freed on $15,000 bail and ultimately pled down to a misdemeanor.

Speaker 1 His sentence was one day of court-ordered anger management.

Speaker 1 Oh, Jesus, that's what hundreds of millions of dollars gets you in lawyers. Man,

Speaker 1 that's the thing is like money is the savior of all problems. Yeah, yeah, nearly all.

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Speaker 1 So, three months after he assaults this record executive, Combs goes out to a Manhattan nightclub with Jennifer Lopez, who he was dating at the time.

Speaker 1 The couple were partying when someone else at the club insulted Diddy and threatened his protégé, a rapper named Shine.

Speaker 1 A write-up in the Independent summarizes what happens next in the kind of voice that you usually use for like the Israeli military or cops. A dispute ensued.

Speaker 1 Shots were fired, and three bystanders were injured, including a woman who was shot in the face.

Speaker 1 Combs fled in a Lincoln Navigator with J-Lo, his bodyguard, and his driver, along with a stolen gun none of them had a license for, as cops found out when they stopped the car.

Speaker 1 Combs was found not guilty in March 2001 of four counts of illegal possession of a gun and one count of bribery after a trial that doubled as a media spectacle.

Speaker 1 Proving what a force the rapper had become, fans turned up at the courthouse for seven weeks, and workers at the building, upon his acquittal, threw open the windows to chant his name and leave him alone.

Speaker 1 Must be nice. I mean, you know, we have this amazing celebrity worship culture in our country.
It's just inevitable all the time, right? It's like they...

Speaker 1 We will, no matter who, find some sort of martyr or savior or just God in whatever exists inside celebrity.

Speaker 1 We're happy to have that. We're happy to have somebody that we can go to a courthouse on our day off of work

Speaker 1 and cheer when they get off after

Speaker 1 probably shooting a woman in the face, probably shooting someone. It's one of those, one of the things that's amazing is that, like, if you read that, like, a dispute ensued, shots were fired.

Speaker 1 By fact, Diddy is so rich at this point that he has become included by journalists in the special exonerative grammatical case that only get normally it's like for cops, right? Shots were fired.

Speaker 1 Someone was hit.

Speaker 1 There was a gun gun in the non-registered illegal gun in his possession.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 It's just so funny, man. Amazing.
Yeah. The whole situation, there's still a lot of like,

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah. The story gets really convoluted.

Speaker 1 There's stuff coming out right now about it, you know, that it's been 20 years and we're still just now getting like the pieces that come out about stuff about like, oh, this actually happened or this person was involved.

Speaker 1 So it's definitely a bit of like, you know, lost to time and the whole concept of how unreliable human beings are at like recounting things that have happened to them, even

Speaker 1 completely sober with no issues, not at a club at 2 o'clock in the morning in New York. You know, I have clear procedural memories of about 30% of our friendship.
Will

Speaker 1 it's all flashes?

Speaker 1 It's all flashes. It's all

Speaker 1 about

Speaker 1 the parking lot.

Speaker 1 Turns out.

Speaker 1 So, Combs thanked God after the verdict and made a big show of going to church after. To further separate himself from the event, he changed his name officially to P.

Speaker 1 Diddy, telling Vanity Fair, when I changed names, I put periods on those eras.

Speaker 1 And the P. Diddy era

Speaker 1 got off from a fucking club shooting. Time to become P.
Diddy.

Speaker 1 The P. Diddy era was lucrative indeed.
He released more albums. He acted in several movies and he started producing reality television.
He gets that Sirokh vodka deal.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.
This is Kennedy Kane era, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yep. Making the band.

Speaker 1 Yep, making the band. In 2002, he won awards for his menswear fashion line.

Speaker 1 Sean John did cause a minor scandal for him when it was found that the clothing he sold was made in Honduran sweatshops with a terrible record for workers' rights. It happens, doesn't it? It happens.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, you're going to try and get that cost.
Got to be some sweatshots. Yeah, going to have to sweatshop.

Speaker 1 None of that kept him down for long. In 2004, he performed at the Super Bowl.
He started his famous voter die campaign that election season. Oh, man, that was huge.

Speaker 1 If you were a teenager in the 90s, you'd be a little bit more voted. P.
Diddy was telling you to vote. Yep.
P. Diddy was recommending people to you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Money continued to flow by the hundreds of millions. As the Bush years came to an end, P.
Diddy changed his name yet again, this time dropping the P and becoming just Diddy. Diddy.

Speaker 1 His white parties remained infamous social events, but he also held increasing numbers of freak-offs.

Speaker 1 These were not for public consumption and acted as an opportunity for him to provide himself and his celebrity friends with endless young women, drugs, and young women on drugs. Ew.

Speaker 1 This brings me to the story of La Troya Grayson, who at age 23 won tickets via a radio show to attend a Diddy party. Her only recollections of the event were meeting Mary J.

Speaker 1 Blige, having a drink, and then blacking out because, again, she was drugged. She has hazy memories of three or four guys she didn't know taking her out of the room.

Speaker 1 She woke up in the hospital very ill and vomiting until she was released several hours later. Quote, I left with no shoes on.
My shirt was kind of ripped.

Speaker 1 I noticed all my money was taken out of my purse except for like $20. I got robbed for my money.
I had just enough to get back to a motel in a cab. That's so fucked up.

Speaker 1 Like, these people are also not wealthy people. They're doing this because they don't have money in the first place.
What won a contest on the radio. And then you get robbed anyway.
Get kitty's party.

Speaker 1 Now, she also says she realized afterwards that her vagina was sore. She's not certain what happened because, again, she was drugged.
Drugged, yeah. Almost certainly not a good story.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't remember half the things that happened to me yesterday half sober, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Literally, they found baby oil with GHB in it.

Speaker 1 They weren't fucking around up in that place.

Speaker 1 Horrible. In the wake of all of this, I've read a ton of stories of people that have recounted

Speaker 1 their diddy situation. And so many of them, like

Speaker 1 induced with drugs in the most despicable ways, the unexpected ways, not even drinking ways, like the I had a soda ways, you know, like not crossing even a boundary of alcohol, you know?

Speaker 1 And it's so it's like to see this shit happen to people, it's, it's like, it's, it's targeted and mean and shitty. It's like it's it's this like, yes, it's evil.
It is evil.

Speaker 1 I'm not a god person, but it's evil. It's like going after people that that are just living normal lives and trying to serve.

Speaker 2 This person won a contest.

Speaker 1 Won a contest to hang out with.

Speaker 2 And this is what, and this is how, and this is how it ended. Like, that's disgusting, vile evil.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's horrible. It's like the type of shit that you're like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 And I'm not done with the story, unfortunately. I'm going to read next from an article on MSN.

Speaker 1 After the incident, Grayson flew back to her home state, Oklahoma, and claims to have received an unsettling phone call the next day in which a female allegedly attempted to dissuade Grayson from speaking up regarding the ordeal.

Speaker 1 She recounted the anonymous woman's warning.

Speaker 1 She had all my information and was basically telling me that I couldn't do anything about it, that Puff Daddy was a famous person and I wouldn't get anywhere with the issue if I tried to do anything.

Speaker 1 Puzzled, Grayson queried, so I'm like, well, how did you even get my phone number? Do you know anything about my money being missing? She's like, no, I don't know nothing about that.

Speaker 1 I'm like, well, I mean, how did you even get my phone number?

Speaker 1 Brutal, man.

Speaker 1 It's just so dark, dude. This type of innovation.

Speaker 1 The power dynamic, as someone who has been in the industry, right? It's like

Speaker 1 even people that...

Speaker 1 You're like a teenager, 20-year-old girl, whatever from fucking Oklahoma with no money, and he is goddamn peed.

Speaker 1 let me let me put this in perspective for people for real like yeah all right i was going into the music industry i was a 26 year old male six foot tall 185 pounds in the

Speaker 1 pretty decent shape you know with combat experience because i was an ex-marine with combat experience who had been shot 28 times

Speaker 1 i felt pressure from people at times. I felt pressured to do things that I didn't want to do

Speaker 1 at times, you know?

Speaker 1 So in perspective of like being just like a naive

Speaker 1 person trying to get into the music industry, like young, like no real harsh life experience, it is easy to see that

Speaker 1 you could be asked to do something, be put in positions that you don't want to be in, and how far people will make you go just because you're afraid, because you're like actually believe that, like, you have power that I don't understand.

Speaker 1 and we're talking about the people who know something was done to them and who have spoken out about it for every one of these not only are there obviously there are people who haven't spoken up but there are also people who may be years away from like actually coming to grips with no actually that was bad that was like really fucked up what happened i even thought about it as like a good thing for a while or at least like a mixed thing bag form but like no that was actually really fucked like there's people coming to terms with that right now still Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Grayson is not yet part of any of the ongoing lawsuits against Sean, but her case represents the edge of how women were victimized at his events, right?

Speaker 1 In that she's not entirely sure what happened or even if she was sexually assaulted, because, again, drugged.

Speaker 1 But the well-lit photos full of celebrities existed for one purpose, to burnish Sean's image.

Speaker 1 In order to keep his famous and wealthy friends happy and to sate his own desires, he also had to bring in, as you stated, all of these young women to be at the, to act as party favors, right?

Speaker 1 That's how we bring, you have these radio contests. Some of them are paid sex workers.
Some of them are women.

Speaker 1 Okay, you've just gotten started in your career, you know, in the music industry or as a model. You're at a low level in it right now.
Why don't you like come over to this party?

Speaker 1 You know, like, why don't you, you know, and then you get there and then you get coerced.

Speaker 1 Some of the women at these parties are paid sex workers, but many of them are like, great, women are being poached in one way or another, right? There's a different method for all of them.

Speaker 1 And that means Diddy's not handling this himself. He has a team of people who are using different methods constantly to find women because these parties are are happening.

Speaker 1 They're the 1970s equivalent of the roadie who picks the girls out of the concert, you know, that look like they're down. More people than work at the company Sophie and I run.

Speaker 1 Their job is just to keep young women coming to these parties. Absolutely spending God knows how many millions of dollars a year on just that part of it.
Right.

Speaker 1 And it shows even when he was busted in Florida, I believe it was like he had a drug mule with him at the time. It was like he was always employing people to be the bad guy in the situation.
Right.

Speaker 1 You You have someone right ahead of you with the drugs. Yeah.
Yes. You give that shit to somebody else.
That's their problem. If they get caught,

Speaker 1 you have accepted. You are the one that goes to jail.
You say, yes, this is mine, and you go to jail. That's the accepted position of that person, for sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Precious Muir, a former Playboy model, was one of the women who attended a number of his parties.

Speaker 1 She claims that he provided a car service to drive models to and from the events, and that Diddy had agents basically picking women out in public and plying them with invites.

Speaker 1 She summarized the pitch one of these guys gave her as, I host these amazing parties. Everything is taken care of.
You don't have to worry about anything. We provide accommodation.

Speaker 1 So when you go to the Hamptons, there is a house you can stay at, which is very beautiful, very lavish, very stylish, and you don't have to worry about anything. You don't have to pay for anything.

Speaker 1 Everything is covered. At the time she started attending, Precious was new to the industry without power or connections.
Being invited to these parties seemed like the opportunity of a lifetime.

Speaker 1 You can impress these guys, make your career, and then you're just kind of, as she said, we were kind of thrown in at the deep end amongst all these people that are well established.

Speaker 1 People automatically knew that we were new faces. We were new talent and we were vulnerable.
We were seen maybe as fresh meat.

Speaker 1 The power of influence, the power of like being able to change your life in a moment. Oh, yeah.
You know, like we have a thousand of these stories. We have a thousand of bone thugs in the studio.

Speaker 1 One woman came in and sang the hook and it was the moment of her, like that's the thing that keeps that shit going is the dream if you're in entertainment i can say like when i was new in my career if i had had to do something horrible for myself and my brain and body in order to get a break as a writer when i was a baby writer right like i thought about it like i i was like yeah i'll do anything right like that's where your head is if you're trying to break in and that's what that's why so much bad stuff happens right right like it's the hardest i mean the reward is so great right the reward of being like at the top of this industry is so great that it is really hard to deny that there is like when you want it that bad, right?

Speaker 1 You, you want it bad enough to put in 80 hours, 100 hours a week doing it,

Speaker 1 right? You also want it bad enough to like cross some lines every now and then. Yeah, you know, and it's difficult to

Speaker 1 base those moments.

Speaker 1 What happens to me? Right. Yeah.
Right. Right.
Everybody goes through that thing. It's like, okay, I'm fine as long as it just fucks me up.
Right.

Speaker 1 Like, that's that's really the thing. It's just gonna fuck me up.
Like, I can take it. I can take some trauma.
Yeah, yeah, I can take some trauma.

Speaker 1 That, dude, everybody that's been in this industry for real knows that. It's fine if it's fucking me up.
Now, I have had my own moments of like, no, no, no, I won't watch you fuck somebody else up.

Speaker 1 You know, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I won't watch you do this to another person. Yeah.
And the problem is that there's just so many people who don't have that line. Right.
Right. Of course.
The line is also, I'll let you fuck me up.

Speaker 1 You know, like, I'll let you ruin me.

Speaker 1 And so it's like, as long as no one else is seeing that, it's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So because of the nature of how the lawsuits are coming out over this, I have no choice but to jump around.

Speaker 1 So I'm just going to say right now, in February of 2024, a record producer named Rodney Jones Jr.

Speaker 1 filed a federal complaint against Sean, accusing him of running a human trafficking network to stalk his parties with women and girls.

Speaker 1 From a write-up in Vulture, according to Jones, as he alleges in the complaint, Combs reached out to Jones in 2022 to help him produce songs.

Speaker 1 But Jones claims the work Combs required of him went far beyond producing music.

Speaker 1 He claims in the lawsuit that he was tasked with procuring drugs and soliciting sex workers to perform sex acts to the pleasure of Mr. Combs.

Speaker 1 Jones alleges that Combs also required him to tape these sex acts and that Combs would often threaten to inflict bodily harm on him if he did not comply with his demands.

Speaker 1 Jones alleged in his complaint that Combs kept specific bottles of alcohol designated for females on hand. And according to Mr.
Jones, Mr. Combs forced all the women to drink laced De Leon liquor.

Speaker 1 Upon information and belief, Mr. Combs laced the liquor with ecstasy, the lawsuit claims.

Speaker 1 He also accuses Combs of sexual harassment and assault for allegedly grabbing him without his consent and forcing him to work while Combs paraded around naked.

Speaker 1 Jones also alleges that Combs once left him alone in a makeshift studio on a yacht with Cuba Gooding Jr. Cuba Gooding Jr.
God damn it. I have been twitching with anticipation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, here's where Cuba comes in.

Speaker 1 God damn it, Cuba Gooding Jr. Oh my God, dude.
The fucking Cuba Gooding Jr. If you start to know he gropes the guy, folks.
He is the worst. Cuba Gooding Jr.

Speaker 1 If you are watching on YouTube right now or whatever, I'm not sure what else is going on in your life.

Speaker 1 I have been twitching, waiting for Cuba Gooding Jr.'s name to come out of your mouth because goddamn Cuba Gooding Jr. The disgusting piece of shit up.
Cuba Gooding Jr.

Speaker 1 Every read, spend 10 minutes of your life and read about what Cuba Goodingham Jr. did to this guy

Speaker 1 and then follow that up with a cursory, I mean, the least, the

Speaker 1 slight

Speaker 1 Google search of anything else he's done. That guy is the biggest piece of shit that has ever existed.

Speaker 1 If you've ever wondered, like we all did for a period of time, after he won that Oscar, why hasn't he been him? Because he's a fucking monster. Because he's a monster.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because he's a fucking monster.

Speaker 1 This is my Hannibal Burtis-Bill Cosby moment. Fucking Cuba Gooding Jr.
is a monster and we need to enact laws and federal goddamn statutes against this person.

Speaker 1 He is a horrible human being and what he has done to the world is disgusting. Take the sanctions off of Cuba the country and put them off of Cuba the guy.
Immediately.

Speaker 1 Immediately.

Speaker 2 You know who he did play though?

Speaker 1 Radio? He played fucking OJ Simpson in the world. Who did play OJ? And to be honest,

Speaker 1 he was killing him. You mean that he played OJ in

Speaker 1 the TV show where Ross from Friends played Srock? Right, right.

Speaker 2 One of your favorite things.

Speaker 1 One of my favorite things. Jude!

Speaker 1 Dude, it breaks my heart every time I think about that thing because, like, oh, God, Cuba Goodinjun is a horrible human being. He did horrible things

Speaker 1 and somehow knocks it out of the park as OJ. Knocks it out of the park.
No, but like has managed to evade all of this puppy shit. Hopefully.

Speaker 1 And that's coming to an end now because because stuff about him, more stuff is coming out about him. You know, we could talk more about Q, but I think we've made our point here.

Speaker 1 He'll get his own episode.

Speaker 1 Give it time. Yeah.
Combs's lawyers have denied the allegations and described Jones as a con man.

Speaker 1 Subsequent allegations and the federal indictment against Combs seem to back up a number of the allegations made by Jones.

Speaker 1 A few months before Jones filed that complaint in February, in December of 2023, a Jane Doe filed a lawsuit in Manhattan alleging that she was gang raped and trafficked by Combs and bad boy records president Jarve Pierre when she was in the 11th grade.

Speaker 1 These allegations comport with the scenario Precious Mirror described in her interview with The Mirror.

Speaker 1 Apparently, Pierre met this 11th grader at a lounge in Detroit and used Diddy's name to draw her in.

Speaker 1 Combs then approached and told her, Hey, you're welcome on my private jet, which was flying to his studio.

Speaker 1 Once they were there, she was given lots of drugs and, quote, gang raped by Combs, Pierre, and an unknown third person. There are a lot of other hideous details that I'm leaving out to you.

Speaker 1 So we don't.

Speaker 1 You know. I think the term gang raped.
Make no mistake, this is a story that repeats itself dozens and dozens of times across every social

Speaker 1 organization

Speaker 1 to the point where it starts to be like, oh my God, we missed Jimmy Savo for like

Speaker 1 60 years. We didn't see it.
He's getting his episode soon, too. Don't you worry.

Speaker 1 We missed it all. Oh, man.
Turns out we almost always do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we miss it a lot of times. Turns Turns out.
We're not as brilliant as we think we are. The rumors abounded.
There was tons of it happening.

Speaker 1 Like, you hear it all the time, but you just make, like, you make the decisions to keep yourselves out of those situations. On a smaller scale, just being, you know, I've been in comedy.
I was a Jace.

Speaker 1 I was never a big stand-up guy, but like I did a little and a lot of my friends did. I went out to regular events as I was employed in comedy.

Speaker 1 And like, you just get told by people, you meet someone, and they'll be like, oh, we should hang out. And then someone else will be like, don't don't hang out with him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't hang out with that guy. It's usually a woman that you work with who will say, like, that guy's a piece of shit.
You don't want to know. Right.
That guy's a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 You don't want to know him. That guy's a piece.
Like, that, you know. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 And I said that earlier, too. It's like that old crusty dude that's like, hey, man, don't work with that guy.
You know, like, yeah, you don't want to be near him.

Speaker 1 You hear the stories for a long time before you're ever asked to do the things, you know? And like, but the problem comes when you don't hear the stories.

Speaker 1 You know, the problem comes when you are new to town and you're the first person to sit down and somebody's like, hey, man, you're fucking Oklahoma, right? And getting flown in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All you know is the reputation of that person that exists in the tabloids or on the internet. You don't know the story about, hey, man, don't go to those parties because it's not good.

Speaker 1 That's bad shit. In 2006, Diddy's longtime partner, Kim Porter, gave birth to twins.
That was the same year that a friend gave birth to his daughter, Chance.

Speaker 1 Kim considered this a betrayal and broke things off with Diddy. While all this was going on, he was also starting a quote-unquote relationship with a young woman named Cassandra Ventura.

Speaker 1 He had signed her to his label at age 19 and started a sexual relationship with her shortly thereafter. He was 37 at the time.

Speaker 1 It was Cassandra's allegations against him that would eventually open the floodgates of legal consequences for Diddy.

Speaker 1 But before we get to that, I'm going to quote from the Independent summarizing just a series of his trials in the mid-aughts.

Speaker 1 Eight months after his 2014 Howard commencement speech, TMZ reported that he punched Drake in a Miami nightclub because of a feud over a song, which, in a rare case for these episodes, points for Diddy on that.

Speaker 1 Six months later, he was arrested and charged in California with three counts of assault with a deadly weapon, one count of making terrorist threats, and one count of battery after allegedly attacking one of his son's

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Speaker 1 bloody charges.

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Speaker 1 And we're back and finishing up the epic tale. Epic tale of Gilgamesh and P.
Diddy.

Speaker 2 Are we going to get into the Cassie stuff now?

Speaker 1 We are. We're going to get into the Cassie stuff now.
Yes. Cassie, who was for a while his in Kidu, if we're doing the Gilgamesh.
Anyway, whatever.

Speaker 1 Let's talk to Sandra. After his split from Kim Porter, she was the woman largely seen as Diddy's public partner, right? She was a singer and a model in her own right.
Super talented.

Speaker 1 Yeah, very talented. The two are generally depicted in media as like a power couple, right? Sure.

Speaker 1 In a civil lawsuit filed earlier this year, Miss Ventura claims that from the beginning, Sean used his wealth and power to force her into a, quote, manipulative and coercive romantic and sexual relationship.

Speaker 1 He assaulted her constantly, beating and kicking her and regularly leaving, quote, black eyes, bruises, and blood.

Speaker 1 Cassandra describes his freak-offs in her lawsuit and alleged that he would often secretly film the days of debauchery with his famous friends.

Speaker 1 The videotapes doubled as fuel for extortion if anyone crossed him, which is part of why his social circle was so loyal and so quiet for so long, right? He has videos of them doing the crimes.

Speaker 1 Again, the movie Don't Blink really does cover a lot of this. And as a bonus, it has Christian Slater, and that's never a bad time.
Yeah, Christian Slater is amazing, man. He's fucking great.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love him.

Speaker 1 I love that guy. Yeah.
Yeah. It's dark, man.
Like, this, yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you talk about the fact that Kim Porter also dies? Did we? Yes. Yes, at age 47.
That hasn't happened yet, though. I mean, it's happened.
There's a lot of

Speaker 1 like where it gets to the the point where it's like, God, dude, like

Speaker 1 the people around you so many things. Yeah, there's just too many things.
The kid cutty explosion, like of his car, where he says his car.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes, the kid cut it. Yes.
There's so many things that you're like, oh my God, dude, you are. a bad person.
Yes. You're a bad person.
There's something bad about you.

Speaker 1 And I just like every person has a, oh, did you ever work with this guy type story?

Speaker 1 It's like, it's, it's one of those like badges of honor almost sometimes we're here in the industry where it's like, oh yeah, man, I spent a week with Diddy, man. You know, it was crazy, man.

Speaker 1 Speaking of which, let's talk about the Kid Cuddy story because you hear about this first in 2012.

Speaker 1 Gossip blogs report that Cassie, who was dating Kid Cuddy at the time and Diddy had had a fight in a club.

Speaker 1 And now in the lawsuit, Cassie claims that Diddy, quote, blew up a man's car after he learned he was romantically interested in Ventura. And here's my favorite quote.

Speaker 1 This is from the salon.com article. The New York Times said through a spokesperson that Kid Cuddy confirmed Cassie's account that his car exploded in his driveway.
This is all true, he said.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Yeah.
Just a car explosion.

Speaker 1 No way to say who did it. Yeah.
Hey, man, who knows? I was pissing this one dude off, and sometimes shit happens.

Speaker 1 Sometimes shit happens. Also, like Cuddy's cool.
Yeah. I don't know anything about him, but he's cool and he has one less car than he would otherwise have.
We can say that for sure. So true, Robert.

Speaker 1 From the New York Times, quote, Cassie in her lawsuit said that Mr.

Speaker 1 Combs directed frequent freak-offs at high-end hotels around the country, directing her at the events to pour excessive amounts of oil on herself and tell her where to touch the prostitutes while he filmed and masturbated.

Speaker 1 We're not going to go into a ton of detail about the massive amount of baby oil, but there's a lot of it.

Speaker 1 Some of it's drugged. Yeah, this is how it's being used.
There was a reason why they confiscated like a thousand bottles of baby oil from a business. Literally a thousand.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was like, it was like there was a reason why that that happened.

Speaker 1 And there was absolutely to the point where Costco had to come out and be like dog We don't we don't sell that shit Yeah, we don't sell that shit We are not in on that shit the only reason I can think of to drug it is because you are getting it inside people in their mucus membranes

Speaker 1 like fucking MDMA or whatever isn't going to absorb it's not a bodily

Speaker 1 breath in someone's vagina and so again like it's just it's hideous right like we don't need to belabor that point i think you get it right cassie says in her lawsuit he treated the forced encounter as a a personal art project, adjusting the candles he used for lighting to frame the videos that he took.

Speaker 1 Brother's an artur.

Speaker 1 He's an autour of sex crimes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wonder if he and Epstein ever partied. They've certainly had the opportunity.
I don't know, but Trump's the common link, which is hilarious.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Of course, you say Diddy is a great guy.
He's my friend and also your best friends with Epstein.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. In 2018, Kim Porter passes away.
The cause of death was initially listed as deferred, but it was later confirmed that she died of pneumonia. Right.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there's a lot of people. And it be remiss to not conspiracy talk.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 But to be fair, I know King Combs posted

Speaker 1 his son. Yeah, Christian.

Speaker 1 He posted that there has never been any question amongst children that

Speaker 1 his daddy is. People do just die sometimes.
Yes. It's absolutely reasonable to say that people do, in fact, just die sometimes.

Speaker 1 But yeah, again, people have also said maybe that death should be looked into and probably not a bad idea take a look take a look jfk's head just exploded yeah it's like i don't just know that he just did just did that presidents just do that sometimes

Speaker 1 it's a it's a pre-existing condition

Speaker 1 pre-existing

Speaker 1 in 2017 diddy changed his name yet again he told the world he would now go by love or brother love and

Speaker 1 really yeah

Speaker 1 a lot of people miss this era i knew this i knew this. This is the Snoop Lion era of Diddy.
Did he legally changes his name because love is his legal middle name?

Speaker 1 He tells Vanity Fair at the time, love is a mission. I feel like that's one of the biggest missions that will actually shift things.
But besides that, we, the world, is different.

Speaker 1 We have the internet. We have the power.
We have a culture. I have us on a five-year plan.
First off, fucking talking like Stalin there. Second,

Speaker 1 that was more than five years ago. How'd the plan work out? Did he? Yeah, yeah.
At least more loving? Did he fix it?

Speaker 1 Good job, bro. Fucking Joseph Diddy Beria.

Speaker 1 Fucking hell. Now, during this period, Diddy's public image remained mostly benign.

Speaker 2 In articles from you know, he named his like youngest baby love, right?

Speaker 1 Yes, he did. Yeah, it happens with famous people.
You see it with Elon Musk and X, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just name your kids something else. I don't care what you name your kids.
What is wrong with Speaker, man? Yeah. Albert.

Speaker 1 Albert. Hans.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Why do we got to be weird about everything?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now, in articles from the time he was feted as a genius producer, and interviewers seemed happy to ignore the numerous assault allegations that, you know, were kind of in the shadows, but not.

Speaker 1 too shadowy to have found and the very public fact that he had definitely killed people through negligence and had them murdered. He even managed to avoid Me Too entirely.

Speaker 1 In fact, in that interview, he tells Vanity Affair the movement inspired him and, quote, showed me you can get maximum change. God damn it.
God damn it.

Speaker 1 He didn't say a word about his friend Weinstein that he'd been fucking looking for a project with for seven years.

Speaker 1 I mean, honestly, sometimes people are fucking out there doing the, you know, dodgeball equivalent to making it through life. You know, it's just like you can't get healed.

Speaker 1 He must have felt like, whew, dodge that bullet. Clearly, it's clean sailing from here on out.
Which is crazy because, I mean, Sophie will backed me on this.

Speaker 1 The Danny DeCain stuff, they talked about a lot of shit that he did.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so much.

Speaker 1 Super adjacent. You know, it's like never sexual assault, but super adjacent.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I talked to Robert about this because I

Speaker 1 was Aubrey O'Day. Yeah, Aubrey O'Day comes out for years, like at least a couple of years, saying I don't think she sees or has evidence.

Speaker 1 And obviously, you don't want to casually, before all this breaks, call him a sexual. He has a lot of money.

Speaker 1 She

Speaker 2 was vocal about him for so many years.

Speaker 1 She did everything she could.

Speaker 2 But also, she said Don Jr. was her soulmate.
So people like really stopped taking her and

Speaker 1 had an affair with him.

Speaker 2 There's like a lot of stuff there. So people didn't believe her, but she was fucking right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think one of the most direct things she said in 2022 in an interview on the Call Her Daddy podcast, she said that Diddy had fired her because she, quote, wasn't willing to do what was expected, not talent-wise, but in other areas.

Speaker 1 Right. Right.

Speaker 1 Brutal. Brutal, brutal, brutal.
Very clear what that means. Yeah.
And here's another quote from an article. Again, this is before everything breaks in varieties.

Speaker 1 This is 2019 called Aubrey O'Day is still recovering from making the band PTSD and making the band the reality show that did it.

Speaker 2 All of them suffered so much. It's so horrible.

Speaker 1 Puff is a very difficult person to work with. Everything had to be perfect.
I remember times where he looked at my toenails and was like, what is your third toenail doing?

Speaker 1 Go get that shit fixed before you walk into a room. Or we would be in rehearsals performing an hour and a half.
Since you get your toenails correct, or I will fucking end you.

Speaker 1 I would walk in for five minutes with a camera and say, Aubrey, why are you sweating? You look like a wet dog. You're the hot one.
So you think anyone wants to see that?

Speaker 1 And again, this is all pretty minor next to all the horrible sex. Yeah, but like he's a dick to.
Yeah. It's like you understand.

Speaker 1 It's like somebody that will go to the lengths of like fucking with your third toe is like the type of person that will make you feel power first about who you are yeah yeah it's like

Speaker 2 no guys listen i distinctly remember a clip from that show where all of them were presented to him and he like went one by one critiquing their personal appearance and the things he said were

Speaker 2 just yeah he's horrific yeah horrific and inhumane yeah but specifically that story is crazy because like aubrey like basically you can even see it in her like morphed into like whatever was asked of her and then he'd tear that down too So, you know, to devil's advocate this stupid situation because I hate to do it.

Speaker 1 But like, I've been on the, I've been in reality shows.

Speaker 1 For some reason, when you want to like hire somebody to pretend to be an engineer in a reality show because all of these people want to be musicians, like I get hired to do these like stupid reality shows to play myself in a reality show.

Speaker 1 And so I've had these situations where I see the way it actually goes down. And it is absolutely people pushing the worst narrative.

Speaker 1 But here's the thing that i think that is really important to understand about it is that some people their worst is not that bad you know like in comparative speaking it's like you see them do these like like like oh they're trying to ham it up for tv and they're not really good at being like mean people right you can feel the difference between somebody who's capable of actually coming up with shit that makes people feel horrible about themselves you know like to really like be a shitty person towards somebody.

Speaker 1 And that's the type of thing that you see in this where it's like, man, to to like attack your toes, like the way your toes look, to attack like these like arbitrary things, they know that that's something that cuts deep on a person that makes them second guess themselves, like deep inside themselves, you know?

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep, absolutely.

Speaker 1 So about five years after saying that he was inspired by me too, in that article for Vanity Fair, Cassandra came forward with her lawsuit and she was joined very quickly in a flood of lawsuits.

Speaker 1 Not all of the people charging Sean with sexual assault are women. We have mostly focused on that, but I want to be very clear that he is alleged of assaulting men too, not just through Cuba.

Speaker 1 One man currently incarcerated in Michigan for kidnapping and criminal sexual conduct himself says that Diddy drugged and raped him in Detroit in 1997.

Speaker 1 A judgment was briefly issued on that case, but Diddy's lawyers, because they hadn't appeared in court, unclear to me what happened, you know.

Speaker 1 But like, that's not the only allegation of him abusing a man too, right? I just want to be clear about that. There's just less of it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's damn near near 50 50 on the ratio on this it's like it's pretty even he he seems to be an equal opportunity sexual assaulter and he's got famous friends who are gay and creeps yeah and there's also just like so many like allegedly things that have happened that like obviously we can't comment as fact right now but like as this trial proceeds, I'm sure a lot more will come out, but there's a lot of grooming allegations as well.

Speaker 1 And to be very fair, it would be irresponsible to not mention the amount of people that will jump on a situation

Speaker 1 because they are themselves

Speaker 1 shitty people that will like jump on something oh this happened to me because they see the wave and it will give them a tiny bit of respect or money or whatever the fuck but

Speaker 1 without a doubt there is actual allegations that exist inside of this that are

Speaker 1 horrifying yeah horrifying and real yeah you know so there are so many of these allegations that we we're not going to cover more than them, right? Yeah, we've done it.

Speaker 1 I think this gives you a pretty good understanding of him.

Speaker 1 And the fact that I've cut out allegations, which I've cut out like two for everyone I've included, says nothing about the legitimacy of those. It's just a space thing.

Speaker 1 I should say a bit here about Christina Coram, K-H-O-R-R-A-M. She was Combs's chief of staff and is a co-defendant in the Jones lawsuit.

Speaker 1 We talked about the lady from Oklahoma who was like brought into a party and drugged and possibly sexually assaulted and then called by a woman afterwards and threatened.

Speaker 1 I think there's a decent chance that was Christina Coram. Jones claims that Corham bought a lot of the drugs and actually handled the booking and paying of sex workers for Combs' parties.

Speaker 1 She was his Gillen Maxwell, in other words. And also, it's worth noting, again, I keep bringing up that movie that I didn't appreciate as much until this all came out: Blink Twice.

Speaker 1 The woman who is, there's like an older woman who is like the creepy sex CEO's like

Speaker 1 fixer. And I, she's Christina Corum.

Speaker 1 I didn't realize how directed was.

Speaker 1 There is always somebody who is adjacent and willing to use their vulnerability with people, you know, their ability to access the vulnerability of people, you know, that makes you feel like, oh, it's a woman.

Speaker 1 I don't have to worry about what they'll, there was always one of those. There is always one of those every single time.
Yeah. And that's Christina Coram in this story.
We'll see what happens to her.

Speaker 1 Sean Cuffy Combs was arrested on September 16th, 2024, several months after the FBI raided his LA mansion and seized firearms, illegal drugs, and more than a thousand bottles of baby oil.

Speaker 1 Combs has denied all charges and pled not guilty. More recently, a judge declined to set bail for him, noting that he still posed a danger to the community.

Speaker 2 He's been denied bail like once a week. Motherfucker tries to get out once a week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's in the same part of the jail.

Speaker 1 Very recently, there's been all sorts of allegations of him, you know, stealing phones or bribing other inmates to let him use their phone time and like to intimidate witnesses specifically.

Speaker 1 Like he's already in jail trying to run shit from what they say. So it's like, it's not like he's just chilling out in there being calm.

Speaker 1 He is absolutely still trying to run an intimidation game from inside prison. Yep.
And that's the episode, everybody. Well, you know, I feel really good.
about

Speaker 1 money. Conjugal party.
Yeah. I just, I just want to make a lot of money so I can do anything I want.
I don't know, man. I'm with you.

Speaker 1 I think we just, we build an empire, take it to the FDA.

Speaker 1 We really want to. Take it to the FDA.

Speaker 1 And that'll save us

Speaker 1 and our reputations. We'll die historic in a gunfight with the FDA.
That's all I want to do. That's the way to go down.
Yeah. So all I want to do is...

Speaker 1 You know, because they say you only die when the last person that remembers your name dies. You know, it's like every one of those FDA agents is going to remember us forever.

Speaker 1 Their children, all of their children's children.

Speaker 1 They'll never forget. Yep.
Now we're going to have to start selling supplements first, Will. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Do you know what's funny to me, man? Every time I post on TikTok, people will be like, Man, you would really like this behind the bastards podcast.

Speaker 1 And I always, every time. I flicked with him.

Speaker 1 Do I ever? Yeah, I know that guy.

Speaker 1 So funny. Yep.
Yep.

Speaker 1 So, this has been Behind the Bastards, a podcast about a guy I almost named a goat for. It has been a fantastic time.
I appreciate the shit out of you, man. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you too, Will. Let me hang out and

Speaker 1 get very drunk. Yeah.
Get extremely drunk while listening to somebody that made me feel icky. Cool.

Speaker 1 That's the podcast experience. I hope you're at home or drunk or something too, everybody.
And Godspeed.

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