Part One: P. Diddy: A Life in Crimes

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As a representative of the hip hop industry, it's appropriate that we are gathered here today to talk about P. Diddy.
Oh my God. Sean Puffy Combs.
It has been an amazing opportunity to be here for this because, you know, there's a certain thing. And I'm going to try and be careful today because like there's when you're in the industry as deep as I am, I'm 15 years into doing this.
It is it's damn near impossible to miss the rumors. Right.
It's like and I actually had a a huge viral like tick tock right at the beginning of all this. when the the first lawsuit dropped when the cassie lawsuit dropped i had a viral tiktok that got like 10 million views because i was like immediately i was like oh diddy's going down dude because there's certain people in the industry you've heard so many things about for so long that when that thing comes out and like the first damn breaks, that first little

the Dutch boy pulls his finger out

or whatever, you know it is

going to start uncovering

ridiculous things. And I

even said at the moment, I was like, if the

tabloids are starting to run with this stuff,

it is only a matter of time before the feds

get involved. Like the feds don't like looking

stupid. They don't like looking

bad like that. And when somebody is sex trafficking across countries i'm not laughing at the sex trafficking i'm just happy that he got caught yes yeah yeah you know it's like you just you gotta know it's like this was coming it was going to happen and when it opened up when the dam opened up it was like oh let's see what happens let's see what happens yeah let's see Let's see what happens.
At one point, Robert was like, he had new baby goats. What kind of goats were they? That is the story that opens this podcast.
Oh, great. Yeah, because you started by being like, in the industry, I've been hearing fucking rumors about P.
Diddy for years. Well, roughly a year ago, my goat had little baby goats, and one of them was a hybrid Nigerian Angora mix with the softest hair I have ever felt on an animal that's not a chinchilla.
Beautiful animal. Previously, I had gone with the rubric of naming my livestock after famous historic dictators because it amused me to have to, for example, cut the shit out of Joseph Brodstito's ass dreadlocks.
Like, that's just kind of funny, right? Yeah. But this particular goat was really cute, so I decided I wanted to give him a mirthful name, and I told Sophie, my producer, I'm going to call him P.
Diddy. Now, let me say here, I'm not a pop culture guy.
I didn't know anything other than, like, P. Diddy was, like, a rapper.
I actually didn't realize how into gangster rap he was because, again, not super aware of all this stuff. I was just's he's like a snoop dog type figure right his image has never particularly been gangster rap like not well i mean like not since he was having people killed yeah yes yeah he definitely was more mogul yes absolutely that is a great way to say it is like he was he was he was the guy who has companies the alcohol ciroc he's got you know he's got this he's got shoes he's got clothing he's got all this stuff like he definitely shifted like ice cube did to disney movies like it was like that immediate like oh man you can get away with not accusing ice cube of anything but you can get away with so much more yeah if you look a different way than the guy who's like involved in multiple deaths and yeah yeah and yeah So, so like that was, I was like, oh, just name P.
Diddy, that's a fun name, right? Anyway, Sophie did her job which is to dive in front of bullets for her host as a producer. It's called a Wednesday.
Yeah, and said, no, you cannot name your goat after Diddy because he's a monster. And I was like, oh.
And I looked into him and there wasn't a ton

out at the time and then he got righted

by the FBI a few months later.

And I was like, oh, Sophie was right.

It only took a minute.

It was only going to take a minute.

It did not take long.

It was a well-known secret

most of my entire life living in Los Angeles.

I had missed it.

Everybody, if you're in a certain

kind of scene around the world

in the industry in LA it's like you will always hear that some old, you know, it's like the caterers. It's the people that are like the service workers of the world.
The engineers. The white dude in a room full of rappers sitting at the desk that's like, oh shit really they just say this out loud and it's like sometimes it's secondhand sometimes but it's like you'll hear these things and it'll be like some older like grizzly dude that's like yeah man don't ever don't ever work for kanye man you know or or famously don't go to a diddy party don't go don't go to a party.
Don't hang out with Diddy. I had even watched earlier this year that movie Blink Twice.
And I was like, oh, this is kind of interesting. And then I find out later, oh, it's supposed to be about Diddy.
Like this was a veiled way of talking about this guy. So if you're like me or if you're someone who knows more about Did did how did all this like how did this guy get to where he is and get to do what he did for so long without having a downfall? And we are going to answer that question and more this week on Behind the Bastards, a podcast about people I almost named goats after.
And we're back. So, Sean John Combs, which is kind of Sean John, which is the name of the clothing brand he's going to make later, was born on November 4th, 1969 in Harlem, New York.
He was the son of Janice Combs, a former model who worked as a teacher's assistant most of his childhood. His father, Melvin Earl Combs, had served in the Air Force, but later in life became a drug dealer.
He also worked for a guy named Frank Lucas. And does the name Frank Lucas mean anything to y'all? Hmm, no.
He is, if you've seen, American Gangster, that's the guy Denzel plays, an American gangster. Sean's dad works for a very serious gangster.
Played by Denzel serious, right? As an aside, if your goal is to make a movie about crime is bad, don't have Denzel play the gangster. That's just going to make me want to be a gangster.
Everyone wants to. Yeah, it's the Aaron Taylor Johnson of a situation, you know? You've got gotta get, like, you know, the right kind of feel for people.
Yeah. Denzel is so handsome.
What are they doing? It was like the Gladiator 2 movie. Really wouldn't, like, would have been a totally different film.
I thought he was a good guy the whole time. Yeah, I was like, no, I'm on board.
I watched the whole movie. Fuck wrong.
I thought he was a good guy. Get him.
Oh, I guess we weren't supposed to like this guy. Oh, is he bad? I'm so confused, man.
It's Denzel. He's wearing purple.
What's not to like? He looked regal as fuck. I was just like, oh, man.
He should be the emperor. Yeah.
Yeah. This seems fair.
Yeah. So, tragically, Melvin Combs was never played by Denzel in a movie.
Instead, he was assassinated, shot dead in his car in Central Park when he was 33 years old. Yikes.
Sean, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is Diddy's dad.
That is a young one. Yes, yes.
Sean is two years old at the time, so he never really knows his father. As a little boy, his dad's death served as a constant reminder of the consequences of crime as a lifestyle, or at least that's what he would say.
I don't know how true that is because, again, very involved in crimes. You know, it seems more like it was like a lesson on, like, don't be the guy in the car getting smoked at 33, you know? Be the guy who Denzel winds up playing, right? Yeah, yeah.
Be up a couple levels. You know, you got some more wiggle room up there.
Uh-huh. Yeah, don't be a private, be a general.
Yeah. Yes.
So his mom moved the family out of Harlem not long after Melvin's death, taking them to Mount Vernon, a suburb in Westchester County. Now, as an adult going by the name P.
Diddy, Sean would make a lot of statements about the poverty he was raised in because if you are coming up in hip-hop in the way he did, you want to, like, act like you came from background for sure i mean this is we will probably talk about this i'm sure eventually at some point but like this is the tupac thing like he went to he went to like a performing arts school like he didn't grow up i mean his mom was a revolutionary you know activist or whatever but he came up in a pretty decent kind of lifestyle and it wasn't until he got into that east coast that he gangstered up hard. Yeah, yeah.
Whereas, I mean, we're going to talk about Biggie. Biggie does come from, like, a rough background.
Right, selling cocaine instead of making record deals. Yeah.
Now, and obviously, Sean is massively exaggerating how rough his background was. I don't want to minimize, like, his dad getting shot when he's two, but his mom is like Tupac's mom.
One of these people who works incredibly hard and is very responsible. She gives her kid a good degree at kids, a lot of stability and comfort.
Uh, Sean goes to a prestigious private school, Mount St. Michael.
It's a Catholic school. His family is very Catholic.
Uh, he wears a uniform. He plays football.
His mom describes him in interviews as having been an entrepreneur from a young age, starting his own paper. And not in the way that you often mean that in hip out.
He starts a paper route as a kid, right? In order to make money. She told the New Yorker, we had a Cadillac car and a house, and he liked life like that, right? Was the actual quote that he was an entrepreneur at an early age that was a direct quote yeah there will be a shit connor roy was interested in politics at a young age there will be a lot of other stories like that it's all again i mean this has been brought up many times on the show but when kids show kids show too much aptitude for something at a young age.
You got to worry about it. When your kid says he wants to be a CEO, look, I'm not saying you should do this legally, but maybe get him into drugs.
Slow him down a little bit. Slow him down a little bit.
Look, I got two kids now. You don't just give them drugs.
You leave them around. You just leave them on the street.
They'll figure it out. Yeah, put them outside

and don't watch them enough.

Like my parents did.

Yeah, that's...

And we all turned out great.

Your children could also be

having lightbulb fights in the streets of

Santa Monica.

And winning a Grammy.

And winning Grammys.

So, one story Diddy likes

to tell is of the time his aunt

babysat him at her home, which was in a public housing project called the Patterson Houses in the Bronx. So again, his mom gets out to the suburbs.
They own a home. Other members of his family obviously are a lot less comfortable.
And the story he tells is that he wakes up. Sometimes he'll say, I woke up with 15 cockroaches on my face, which you didn't the cockroaches nobody would in that situation you you can feel it you can feel a dozen cockroaches but you can't count them as far as you don't know the exact number man and in other recitations he's less specific i'm not saying this didn't happen it probably did just knowing the other stuff about his life um but he also i've lived in decent places where cockroaches on my face.
I too have woken up with some cockroaches on my face.

This apparently inspired him to seek wealth and success. Quote, and this is from him years later, I was like, no, I'm not going to do that.
I'm going to get out of here. I'm going to be somebody.
I'm going to own something and be able to take care of my family. I don't want to live in these conditions no more.
And again, you know, I'm not, maybe something like this happened. He also does bring it up exactly the

way you would if you're trying to like throw out in interviews scenes that people will put in a

biopic about you, right? Right. Yeah, for sure.
That one soundbite that grabs you at the perfect

time. And they're like, yeah, man, like that's it.
You're never going to be anything, B. Diddy.

You'll never make it, kid. You're going to go down just like your father.
Dead in the back of a car. Now, Diddy would later claim that the memory of this harrowing event inspired him whenever he made a change in his career.
It was something that just kind of snaps on you. Don't take less in life and fight back.
Those roaches still to this day, whenever I get comfortable, I just remember them. I remember living in a situation where babies weren't changed for two or three days and everything smells and there's no food.
The memory is the thing that really fuels me to make sure that one day none of us have to live like that. And, Bitty, you didn't do anything to make sure none of us had to live like that.
And you didn't live like that, right? Yeah. You made sure you didn't have to live that way.
Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough.
I mean, that is often, whether true or not, there's definitely probably essences of that, of being true because that is the story of a lot of people in America right now now it's like going through some really tough times and like seeing trying to like get through and like that is often the story especially when it comes to successful people right right the music industry is like hey man i come up hard used to be anyways it's more nepo babies these days yeah it's more nepo babies he was the great equalizer you know it's like you could be poor and from nowhere and become the biggest in the world. That's what music used to be.
Yeah, and it's, I mean, like everything, it becomes more oligarchic as it fucking ages and gets sclerotic. But, like, it's also not weird.
You know, I can say, I wouldn't say I had a hard upbringing. My parents were, like, poor when I was a little kid.
Financial stress is, like, a lot of my earliest memories. And that's definitely part of why I have gone after money as an adult.
Right. Is because like, I didn't want to have screaming fights in front of my partner about the fact that we couldn't afford rent or whatever, you know, that's, that's absolutely like that.
Absolutely. A lot of people have had that experience.
A lot of people deal with that. Now it sucks ass.
Like, so I, I don't doubt that some version of this is true. Right.
That he encountered a lot of poverty around his family and was like well fuck that shit right yeah um yeah and i do think it's interesting that like his connections with financial desperation are not direct they're family members right so he always there's always this sense of like i'm separate too from this from the hardship right like it's not direct to me which is interesting now it's worth noting that diddy as an adult told lots of inspirational stories about moments from his childhood that inspired him to later greatness and maybe all of these are bullshit but you know let's hear him out that's definitely a market he has is like the inspirational i climbed out of this like even in his verses so can you but yeah but that's not also that's not exclusive to him And That's a lot of rap as well. You know, like, so, you know, it is, it kind of goes hand in hand.
It's a, it's a bit of that, like, that, that tale of like rising up out of the worst situations that makes like so many people respect and understand you as a, as a rapper. So.
And I'll, I'll even say that's not, you know, that's a thing that rap gets from the same source that a lot of other, because you see that in evangelical Christianity, the whole like, I was, you know, down and out, high rising and low sliding, popping reds and busting heads, kicking in doors and banging whores. And then I met Jesus, you know, that sort of fucking deal.
Praise the Lord. But it's this thing everybody gets from like, you know, power of positive thinking, like hustle culture where it's like, OK, you got to have like the down and out story.

And then I had my realization and like you can do it, too. It works for everything.
It's not just MLMs. And just to tag on to that, I literally was just making fun of Nepo babies because it's like so it's like the opposite is literally when it comes to most of creative culture to be considered the worst you can be, to have privilege and everything.
That's considered like the worst because it's like, whoa, well, you don't have to learn guitar on a guitar that only had three strings and was given to you by blind Willie down on the corner who definitely had tuberculosis and left us early type shit, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
That's just the way you like frame things if you want Americans to, if you want to be a fucking mogul. Anyway, here's a quote from something he said later in a CNN article.
One day when he was a child, he asked his mother for a new pair of sneakers, but she couldn't afford them. He recalled in a 2016 CNN interview that his mother almost began to cry upon hearing his request.
That day, he said, my hustle was born. And he's got a lot of, that day, my hustle was born.
That day, yeah, that was the one day. His mom being like, we had a Cadillac, maybe she's exaggerating because she doesn't want to admit that things were harder than they were, but I kind of think it might just be more that he wanted expensive sneakers, and his mom wasn't like, no, we don't have the money.
His mom was like, no, you don't need those sneakers. I'm not going to spend $200 on fucking sneakers for you.
It wasn't my mom being like, we could go to Goodwill and find you a nice pair that you'll grow into type thing. It was like, oh, you want $300 Nikes, like hard pass.
Yeah, it's a lot less inspirational to be like my story, which is like, I wanted a computer that could play StarCraft. And my mom said, no, you don't need that.
I was like, well, I want to be able to buy my own computers when I grow up, right? Like, that's not an inspirational story. That's not, like, yeah, nobody's gonna put that in the biopic, you know, the music swells and you get a fucking razor.
So yeah, one thing that we can definitely mark as a turning point in his life was a football injury that he acquired while playing for Mount St. Michael Academy he will always say I was gonna be in the NFL I was good enough to be in the NFL he'll kind of insinuate he was being scouted by the NFL I don't know that he was I'm not entirely sure but I'm pretty sure he's like 5'9 or something right he's like he's not big guy.
He's not a big guy, but there's positions for shorter guys.

Sure, for sure. Just to say, for the

record, the amount of men that

have told me I was going to be

I could have been a contender. I was going to be

an insert professional sporting

league here. Yeah.

You're like, sir? Yeah, for sure.

When I was in the Marines, there used to be a joke

about, you know, everybody

was gonna go to a great college. They had a full ride to go to a great college and they were all varsity, whatever.
And they were going to one of the dudes in my platoon. It was so funny.
He started off saying that he was going to be he was scouted to be the quarterback at USC. And when everybody was like, dude, you were not scouted to be the quarterback.
That's a prestigious position. We could have we would have seen that you would have been like in the news and shit like that's a big deal and he was like i didn't say quarterback i said cornerback you know it was like that was that was his way out of it cornerback you know one dude i remember he used to he had like one of his pecs was bigger than the other and he said yeah man i was i was gonna play quarterback and and then my coach always had me bench in one side only, you know, and that's why I was like, what?

No one would do that. No one would.
So I swear to God, every guy in the entire world, if they played sports for like five seconds, has like a, oh, I was almost, you know, story. Could have been great.
Could have been great. Then I broke my leg.
I ran for 12 touchdowns. If you've ever done that to me, just know I was like,

bullshit.

Yeah.

There's a certain inner bullshit detector.

I feel like you definitely have.

Like you kind of like,

it's like the Sophie eye roll where it's just like,

huh?

Yeah.

Like just,

yeah,

yeah.

That right there,

the smirk and the,

uh-huh.

Yeah.

Sure.

Yeah.

It's a crucial life skill to develop.

Sure.

You've won a Grammy.

I bet you have. That's why you keep it directly behind you.
Oh, man. Now, I will say, whether or not he was almost in the NFL, his team was very good.
They won the division title in 1986, I think, when he's a junior. So, like, he does play on a very good team.
I'm sure he was not bad at it. I just don't know that he was in the NFL.
That said, he does break his leg in his last year of high school badly on the field, which ruins his pro dreams. Now, as a fun aside, Will, while I was reading, you're gonna love this.
While I was researching these articles, I found an old 2012 interview in the New York Times with Diddy. This is back during his mogul, generally popular phase.
And the article was about a movie that he had helped produce called Undefeated. This was based on an Oscar-nominated documentary about a real-life high school football coach named Bill Courtney, who was apparently pretty good.
I don't know much about high school football coaches. You're from Texas.
How do you not not know much about high school it's like i developed i fucking played high school football or middle school i forget which year i was in football but i played football i did a sport once yeah i i was not almost in the nfl it wasn't as fun as drugs so now that i could have gone pro in will yeah that i could have been i really could have been in the uh in the nfl of drugs absolutely i still feel like i have a chance like i feel like i got like a field of dreams chance in fact you know like i do i do want to see the uh the field of dreams of drugs it's like they put up a table in a field and just like drugs start materializing. Fucking John Belushi walks out of a cloud.

Willie Nelson is like, he's not even dead, but he's the guy that gets to walk back on the field and get younger.

He's the Ray Liotta.

Andy Dick pulls himself up out of a sewer.

Oh my God.

If you build it, they will come.

The biggest bong ever and just like a table of cocaine. Oh, we could make this movie.
I feel like someone is going to rip this off from us. We better act quickly.
Back to this story. So Diddy helps to produce this movie about this high school football's coach named Bill Courtney.
And he's interviewed in the Times about it. And in the interview, Combs talks about his own football experiences in high school.
And he laments, I didn't have a coach like Bill Courtney who stood by me and helped motivate me in everything. I was envious, to be honest.
And he's kind of insinuating that a better of coach might have helped him overcome his broken leg or whatever. Anyway.
He could have healed me his witch doctor ways right right right anyway the best part of that interview though is that combs was working as a producer on the remake of that documentary with the weinstein company and the interview with him in the times includes this line next quote combs said he and harvey weinstein had been trying to do something together for seven years.

And yeah, bro, I'll bet you guys were.

Yeah.

I'll bet you had a couple projects you were in on.

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

It is almost like I hate whenever people start like because like every time some of this stuff comes out, you know, that like a certain person's like a grease bag. And it's like every person that's ever been in a picture with them is suspect you know and it's like oh this person this person this person and it's like yeah but like not all those people are actually doing bad shit some of them are just taking advantage of somebody's like status to up themselves a little bit or meet people or whatever but also yeah a lot of times they are all yeah a lot of times the whole harvey weinstein connection maybe should have been a sign yeah a A lot of times they are all together.
Yeah, a lot of times the whole Harvey Weinstein connection maybe should have been a sign.

Yeah, a lot of times they're absolutely running a fucking little circle jerk over there with each other, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

Now, it was during Sean's high school years that he first acquired...

Oh, actually, you know what?

Speaking of Sean's high school years, you know what'll help you get through high school?

Drugs?

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I hope you've all graduated and you are ready for the rest of the pod. And don't join the military like I did,

because it is not going to be a good idea. When you graduate, man, do anything else.
But the recruiter said, I can even pick my MOS. Did I ever tell you that I had a friend that thought he was joining the Marine Corps snowboarding team? his

recruiter literally showed him

pictures of dudes on snowboards and was like, yeah, man. He was from Colorado and he thought he was joining.
He was like two weeks into being in the fleet. And he was like, so.
When does the snowboarding start? Is the guy from the snowboarding team going to hit me up or how do I get over there? like bro we are deploying for iraq in like seven minutes you are not going to the marine corps there isn't even a marine corps snowboarding team there ought to be like an olympic for military recruiter lies the snowboarding ones up there oh my god there's so many beautiful i had another friend who literally the recruiter he came in and he was like yeah man i want to be the in in infantry he's like And the recruiter would like, like slow play to me. There's so many beautiful.
I had another friend who literally the recruiter, he came in and he was like, yeah, man, I want to be in infantry. And the recruiter would like slow play at him.
He's like, well, I don't know, man. It's pretty exclusive.
And he got on the phone with like his master sergeant in the back room. He's like a car dealer being like, my boss agreed.
We'd never do this. We're going to do what we can for you.
We're going to hook you up, man. You seem like a pretty wise individual.
You know, you belong up in infantry, man. We can get you in, man.
Fuck. So it was during Sean's high school years that he first acquired the nickname Puffy.
And we have two different stories for how that happened. Here's the first as related in an article on Hip Hop Insider.
He used to puff out his chest to make his body seem bigger, which is where the name originated. Maybe that's true.
That's what his mom said. I remember seeing his mom in an interview that said the same thing, that that's where it came from, that he used to, because he wasn't a big dude, back to the point earlier.
And there's a slightly different story that he told in 1998 to Jet Magazine. Whenever I got mad as a kid used to always huff and puff i had a temper that's when my friends started calling me puffy right um yeah but you know they're not necessarily i mean you know they're not at odds with each other they might be both the same yeah yeah it's like he's like one of those fish yeah anytime he's threatened he gets big oh man andfish, infamous sex criminals.
Do not let your friends go home alone with a Pufferfish. I remember that in Finding Nemo.
That was one of the subplots of Finding Nemo, that Pufferfish were sex criminals. Yes, yeah.
At least pests. They're sex pests.
Sex pests. Sex pests, yeah.
So with football out of the way, young Sean leaned into the other, less discussed aspect of his personality, which was that he was kind of an artsy theater kid. Diddy had a reputation at his private school for being neatly dressed, you know, and in college for wearing designer clothes, which he funded through a variety of legal entrepreneurial ventures.
For example, in between classes, again, when he's at college, he's at Howard University. He would operate a shuttle service to the airport, and he would also sell his old term papers, T-shirts, and soda to his classmates.
So, again, entrepreneur, but not exactly a gangster. Yeah.
Ro Ronan's book, Bad Boy, which covers Diddy's influence on the hip-hop industry, paints a picture of a young man who was beyond everything else an opportunist. at one point while he's at Howard there's this massive protest campaign on the campus over the presence of

Lee Atwater on the University Board of Trustees. And again, Howard is a historically black university.
Lee Atwater is the author of the Republican Party's infamous Southern Strategy, which I cannot relate directly to you without using the N-word repeatedly. You had me at republican pardon you had i was there i was there already you're just edging me from there the basic idea of the strategy that lee atwater helps put together is that you can't campaign in 1968 or before 68 you can campaign by just screaming about black people and saying you want to hurt them right by 68 you can't do that so you have to instead campaign on issues that will hurt black people, but that you can pretend aren't racist, like fiscal conservatism, cutting programs that help black Americans without calling them slurs, right? That's Lee Atwater.
So obviously, Howard University students are like, the fuck is this guy doing on the board of trustees? Hey, bro, you forgot your hood, man. Let me set you up yeah that is essentially the the the tenor of the protest campaign now sean's peers rightly thought it was fucked up for this guy to have a seat on the howard board and they do win i'm gonna spoiler he winds up leap stepping down man every now and then plugging a ceo and broad daylight on a city street does something right um protests work protests can work um So there's this big protest campaign.
There's like clashes with riot police. They occupy buildings on campus.
It's a whole thing. How far you have to go to get one white man fired from now.
One white man fired. Yeah.
In the book, It Was All a Dream, culture journalist Justin Tinsley writes this of sophomore Sean Combs' involvement

in this protest campaign. For Combs,

the student protest in the spring of 89

presented an opportunity to unite

the student body and put some money

in his pockets at the same time. Combs

took images from the protests, photos of

students and police clashing and students being

whisked away and printed up some posters.

And he like sells posters

based on this. So he's like, he's a profiteer.
Yeah, right up by Chris Malone goes further. Future producer and co-worker of Diddy's Derek D.
Angioletti was at Howard at the same time as Diddy and saw how he made a quick buck from the protests. In the 2003 Notorious B.I.G.
documentary Unbelievable, he spoke about Diddy's photo enterprise during the protests. He made hundreds of them and sold them for $10 and $15 a piece, Angeletti said.
That's the type of guy I saw. All this protest shit is well and good, but who's getting paid off it? He was ready.
Yeah. This is the 80s? Yeah, 89.
Yeah, so, I mean, yeah. So, 10 to 15 bucks, that's a lot of money, too.
That's not cheap. Like, we think of to $15 now, but in 89, $10 to $15, that's like...
Yeah, it was like $700, $800. Yeah.
It's a lot more money. Whatever the math works out, too.
But yes, absolutely. This was back when a dime bag cost $10, and that wasn't cheap.
There used to be... I remember.
We used to be a country. We had onions on our belts.
It was a had onions on our belts it was a style at the time yeah yeah uh amusingly enough in 2009 diddy made statements in support of another protest movement at howard promising i got y'all back and saying do what we did and take it over let's go and do it in a peaceful way but do it and again you did not take anything over you you sold pictures of people doing that like we were looking back through a lens so it's easy to like see like like oh he probably was probably kind of but you want to believe that like any when you heard this earlier you know diddy telling this story you were like like yeah good for you diddy yeah good for you speaking up for the kids yeah yeah you did it man but like and then like hearing it in retrospect you're just like uh you know you know everything that he did was slimy yeah he was just always pulling an angle he was always facing a riot line to get at water fucking fired um right if you're one of those if you or your parents did good good for that, man. Yeah.
So a good deal of our knowledge

of college-aged diddy

comes from Derek Angeletti,

who I quoted earlier.

He's the guy who described

young Puffy as a flashy guy.

Quote,

He was always out at the clubs

and the young girls loved him.

That's a creepier line

in modern context.

He'd be in the middle of the floor

doing all the new dance moves

and his style of dress

was a little more colorful, bolder.

Everyone took notice

of this cool, overconfident young dude.

I was DJing at the time

and we'll see you next time. middle of the floor doing all the new dance moves and his style of dress was a little more colorful bolder everyone took notice of this cool overconfident young dude i was djing at the time and one night he came up to me and said i'd like to throw a party with you you're pretty popular and that's kind of how diddy diddy's really good at recognizing people that other people like that's his primary talent he becomes a billionaire off the basis of that you will definitely see especially in the music industry there's so many there's such a a wide-ranging uh culture of that being the thing you know it's like the lou perlman or the or the or you know or or the the diddy or the jay-z with rock rockefeller you know it's like rock nation you know it's like all these different organizations that's what they're looking for all the is like, who is the thing that other people can look at and be? Because like, that's what it takes.
You have to have you have to have a stable of people for everything to have a party. You got to have the best caterer in the world, but you also got to have the best DJ and you also got to have, you know, it's like that's what all those people are the best at is collecting a whole bunch of the best ofs that they know.
Yeah. And that's like, I mean, honestly, like that's also just an entertainment industry thing.
Like, you know, Sophie and I, that's a skill we have in a different way, right? Yeah, you got a stable of really cool podcasts. Yeah, a year or so ago.
I'm reading this Ed Zitron guy and I'm like, I bet he could be a podcaster. You know, like, that's just, that is just kind of the industry, too.

That's like how you, you know, and he's going, Diddy's going to be one of the best at it. And one day, you will unify the entirety of all podcasters in the world.

Take over.

Or start an East Coast, West Coast podcast rivalry.

Get Ed shot in a fucking conflict with one of the NPR guys.

Oh, my god. Oh man.
Another movie idea. You guys are welcome.
Great movie. I'm making Ed the Biggie Smalls of podcasting.
Sorry man, you cooked. Enjoy the next couple of years, buddy.
So Combs took things a few steps further than most people who throw popular parties on campus by sometimes successfully convincing or paying celebrities to show up he included his name on flyers with their name which is part of how he would brand himself right you're attaching yourself to celebrity you're also just making sure everyone who goes to this huge party with like 1500 people500 people knows that's a ditty party, right? Yeah. Reputation is everything.
And he's good at reputation management. He prints business cards for himself that he hands out.
They have his name engraved on them as Sean in parentheses Puff Combs. Just one F.
So he's still working on the nickname, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a bad, bad.
It's a process. It's a process.
It's a process. I'm workshopping some stuff here, guys.
I'm doing the best I can. I knew you before you were Greasy Will.
Yeah. His friends are like, Puff? Puff? P-U-F? There should at least be two Fs.
It's like damn near Poof, bro. Like, I don't know, man.
It's going to be confusing. Just a boardroom of guys? Yeah.
Oh, man. That's one of my, by the way, speaking of like Wasted Ope people are lying, one of my, because this comes up periodically when people will like lie about having been in the military or special forces.
If anyone ever tells you they served and they had a really cool nickname, full of shit. Yeah.
Nobody gets called the Avenger or fucking killer or fucking killer or whatever. Like, no, it's, it's always like sack.
Yeah. Or like two thumbs.
Yeah. Shit stain.
You're like, Oh man, there's, there's nothing about thumbs that could have been a good story. Yeah.
So, uh, these parties with Diddy grow to be sizable affairs, but the biggest of them was a homecoming event at a Masonic temple. 1,500, which actually does sound pretty cool.
Yeah, it sounds banging. Yeah.
1,500 attendees were expected, but Sean's marketing of the event was so successful, more than 4,500 people showed up, which causes a problem when three times as many people show up. And this is going to be a continuing problem for him.
Angeletti later claimed, the DC police shut down the whole block and brought out the dogs. We had to get on our knees and beg them not to lock us up.
Which again, not super gangster. Yeah, getting on your knees and begging is not exactly fuck the police.
No, Biggie wouldn't have done that. I'll tell you that much.
Tupac would have shot those cops, 100%. Tupac would have shot those cops.
And he wasn't even that gangster, man, but he would have shot them cops. Snoop Dogg would have shot them cops, man.
We forget, man. This guy's hosting New Year's celebration.
That guy would shoot some cops. That guy was hardcore.
That was Martha Stewart's friend. Weekly parties were all well and good for getting attention,

but Sean wanted much more out of life,

and he quickly decided a business administration degree from Howard

wasn't going to get it for him.

So he drops out, and he starts begging record executives in New York for jobs,

using his party planning career as a resume.

This did not work, but when he reduced the request from job to unpaid internship, he got a yes from Uptown Records' Andre Harrell. Now, this is not a guy I'd heard of before, but Sheila Flynn for The Independent describes him as the man who, quote, famously coined the term ghetto fabulous.
So, yeah, that's Andre Harrell. He's a big guy in the industry.
She describes his time interning for Uptown this way.

Combs initially commuted weekly between college and his hometown,

working 80-hour weeks as he literally ran to complete errands for his record superiors,

and it wasn't long before he quit Howard altogether.

By 1991, Harrell had installed him as an A&R executive,

and Combs was forging a reputation for identifying and molding top-tier talent. So he goes very quickly from unpaid intern to paid executive.
He's very good at this. He works like crazy and he's got an incredible eye for talent.
And this is also 91 rap is exploding. Yeah.
Yeah. Perfect timing for it all there.
So just for the, there's an actual term for that in the industry called a runner. a runner.
It's literally because you are, in fact, running for everything you do. You go and get things all throughout the day.
It's the first job you do in almost any, like, music industry position. So it's like this is what I did.
I was an intern, and then I became a runner and then an assistant engineer and then an engineer. But that's how you, like, work up with – and it's crazy.
Something that people don't like it's not like it's not like being an actor right like doing some of these jobs like like what what did he did here some of these jobs it's not like being an actor you get out here and you're competing against just like everybody working at every diner in all of los angeles right like doing some of these specific jobs like a and r's or producers or, you can get into the industry and be one step away from the top immediately. There's so many stories of that.
It's like you get it. You're my first job.
I lived in Texas where we met in Texas. I was playing in a metal band.
And then I was like, oh, I should maybe like do music for a career. I went to school for nine months, graduated from a tech school and started at the biggest

studio in the world as a runner.

But I was so good because my background in the military and all the stuff that I was

in.

I was a runner for like three weeks before I was like working for the studio as an engineer.

So it was like, you're only a very, very short insert.

It's like attacking the industry from a secret angle because you can do things like it's so fast it's like your first job might be working for the president of a label you know if you have the right aptitude for the type of stuff it could happen just like that now it's still competitive and everything you know and it's really hard but it it's it's a different thing from like being like an actor or a musician where you're competing against thousands and thousands of people in the same proximity, trying to do that job. It's kind of like a hack to get into the industry.
Well, there you go, folks. You could have your own Grammy and maybe even be a guest on this podcast.
And more tips like this on my TikTok, Greasy Wheel Music. I don't have any tips for becoming a journalist or a writer.
It's very hard, and it seems like no one's doing it anymore. Yeah.
I don't know how it worked for us. Get ChatGPT and just plug a subject in and then post that on a website.
Yeah. There you go.
You're a journalist. Type the Lord of the Rings into ChatGPT and you too could be a novelist.
Or sued by the Tolkien estate. Either way, same def.
Yeah. So he's, you know, by 91, he's an A&R executive.
So while he does that, he continues throwing parties.

He understands that that's, number one, that's how I'm going to meet people.

That's how I'm going to run into DJs, the people that I'm going to poach as talent.

He would throw what is described in one source as racially mixed daddy's house parties for street kids and preppy students from Columbia University and New York University.

And this is where that's a Ronan who wrote a book about his role in hip, says, quote, that's where he saw what fans were dancing to and wearing. So this is also how he stays plugged in.
Now, you know, it's, I should say, it's also how he's going to be committing a lot of his sex crimes, but we'll get to that in a minute. So, yeah.
Daddy's house parties don't go great for a lot of people. He's a drug addict.
Oh, yeah, you brought your soundboard. Two choices.
And he makes the choice next to kill nine people. Oh, solid move.
He's 22 years old. He's going as Puff with 1F.
He's a college dropout and an employed record executive. And one of the acts that Sean helps bring to prominence is Jordache.
J-O-R-D-E-C-I. I don't know if it's...
Jordache? Jordache. The gene company? Yes, yes.
He discovers that. Jordache is an R&B duo who are blowing up by 91.
Oh, Jodeci? Wait, what are you saying?

Is it Jodeci?

It's J-O-R-D-E-C-I.

It can't be, right?

I'm so confused.

Oh, you're saying...

Hold on, hold on.

Is it Jodeci?

I'll look it up.

No, no, no, it can't.

No, no, no.

Really?

It's not.

Oh, my God.

It's not.

Okay, so hold on.

What's the name?

J-O-R-D-A-C-E-N?

No, no, no.

The way that Robert has it spelled,

there's an R in there,

but I think Will is right that it's Jodeci.

Is it Jodeci? Okay, we'll say it's Jodeci. because that's an rnb duo yeah yes then that's then it's called look i don't know these but you you know me and fucking pop culture to see it's a judge yeah there's a d in there yeah i mean you know it could be i don't know yeah we might go to no, it is.
It is. Yeah.
Combs decided a good way to increase Jodeci's visibility was to throw a charity basketball game, pitting two teams of rappers against each other while fans watched. The event was to be held in the City College of New York gym.
Once again, Diddy did what he does best, which is promote. And so a shitload of people show up.
In fact, several times as many people as can fit in the actual gym itself. This becomes a problem because Sean doesn't do anything but promote the event.
Doesn't set up any of the safety measures, any of the staff, any of the bathrooms, none of that. He has two of his assistants who have never run large gatherings do that.
And he does not inform them, by the way, every every time i do something several times as many people as we can actually support show up could be a problem he just has his tells his assistants to handle it and then forgets all about it largely because his attention is occupied by executing fraud to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars because the game had been advertised as a charitable event but like he hadn't told anyone what charity. In actuality.
It's just a charity, yeah. What kind of charity? You know, it's like kids with stuff that need stuff, you know? Yeah, kids with problems.
As someone who has been that assistant that had to organize, like I've been this guy. I've been this guy that had to put together a house party with three bands and like 500 people show up and the LAPD is circling with a helicopter.
And then I have to be the representative of, of, of white people to go out and talk to cops so that it's okay. You know, one of the artists I used to work with, he used to always be like, yo, Hey man, the cops are here.
So yeah, you want to go, you'll go talk to him. Oh yeah, man.
He's like, you know, you speak like cops and like white people and stuff like all right i got it i got it yeah go outside let's get hey gentlemen how you doing tonight oh yes sir absolutely sir you know like oh the dogs you don't need those uh so there's no beneficiary actually selected for this party uh and for the more than $24,000 in 1990s money that had been raised for the event. Further blame for what's about to happen goes to the police on duty.
Sean's assistants had only coordinated with Pinkerton security guards hired by the university. Yeah, there's Pinkertons in this.
Everybody legendarily protective of people and safe and never hurt nobody than Pinkertons. And the university had increased the number of security guards to 23 because they started getting worried before the event.
But the NYPD just sends a few guys and when it becomes clear that more than twice as many people as expected showed up, the sergeant on scene doesn't call for backup until it's too late. Eventually there are like 60 something officers in attendance, but it takes a while.
And the sergeant on duty also ignores repeated calls by the university being like, there's way too many people. There's way too many people.
You need to do something. There's going to be a riot.
And in fact, there is. Yeah, they ignored the neighbors at our parties too, man.
They just did not listen to them. So once it becomes clear, because they have to tell this huge crowd, most of you are not getting in, and then the crowd gets rowdy and violent, and a riot begins.
The NYPD officers who are there are as useless as the NYPD tends to be whenever they're actually needed for something, and things go very badly. At 7 p.m.
with far too many people crowded into the venue, the door they had been using to funnel people in was shut since that door was steel and at the bottom of a stairwell with the crowd basically pushed up against it it creates a solid barrier in a room that has four more people than are supposed to be in it people panic and a crush develops dozens are injured and nine young people are crushed to death literally asphyxiated by the weight of the crowd medical examiner's will note that like none of them had broken bones they are just suffocated by the mass i mean for those of you know like i i've been to a lot of concerts i i've been into metal music like but sometimes it feels kind of you know like how could you be killed by a bunch of people but like if you have never seen a crowd or been in a crowd like even i is like i mean i'm a fairly large person myself like i'm not huge or anything but like i'm and i'm pretty okay with like bad situations yeah i've been in some crowd crush situations that have terrified me where i'm like this is like scary like this is bad if you've never been in those situations it's really easy to understand if you have like what what that's like it's like it's like even a few hundred people can be like that and you're talking about three times the capacity of a venue you know that's like so easy for a crowd to just crush the shit out of some people it is like one of the best survival advice pieces i can give you is if you are ever in any kind of event and upon entering you're like your only way to get in is to push through a crowd of people with absolutely no gaps in it and you immediately have like the hair stand up on the back of your neck and wonder are there too many people in this room fucking back the hell out yeah get out there is go we absolutely is and it is not a good idea don't fuck around around with situations like that. Next thing you know,

you're going to be surrounded by a bunch of juggalos at an ICP concert at the electric factory

and feel really uncomfortable.

So this is a horrible...

Again, nine people die

because of this thing that Diddy has orchestrated.

One EMT who shows up.

This is early.

This is episode one for Deaths.

Is there more than one episode of this or are we one episode? There's two episodes. There's more deaths to come.
There's two. There's two, but Robert, I kind of feel like we can do this as a three-parter.
I don't know. Maybe we'll see.
We'll see what happens. One EMT who showed up on scene described the result as a plane crash without a plane.
There were bodies all over. People calling for help.
That's a very bad way for your party to be. Although, you and I have both thrown parties that I would describe as looking like a plane crash afterwards.
Yeah, for sure. What a cool plane crash.
Yeah, it was a very cool plane crash, man. You just feel like you're dead.
It's like where people are like, man, that was the best night of my life type plane crash. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like the plane crash in Yellow Jackets. I haven't finished Yellow Jackets.
I assume it goes well for those girls. It goes well.
Yeah, yeah. No cannibalism.
This would mark the first time that Sean Combs drew media attention in a big way. New York Newsday was one of the papers who first got reporters on scene.
And years later, one of them recalled being told by a colleague, the organizer was some guy called Puff Daddy. In the days that followed, it became clear that a substantial amount of the blame for this disaster lay with Puff Daddy.
Puff Daddy. Puff Daddy.
A report compiled afterwards by the mayor's office read, Mr. Combs spent little time making the actual preparation for the game, and delegated most, if not all, of the arrangements to Lewis Tucker and Tara Guter, both of whom claim to have no prior experience with such events.
I found a fun article in the Columbia Journalism Review by one of the reporters who covered the crush. And this is, you know, him writing after Diddy has been disgraced.
His piece ended with this line. I do remember thinking, man, this puffy guy can't have much of a future after this.
Man. Oh, let me tell you about America, my brother.
This is the thing, though, too, is like, it's like, you know, that happened, right? But I can't tell you how many events, how many things I've been to that have been, like, you know, thrown like this, like concerts. Like, dude, I've been at a Riot Fest, which is like a major concert that has felt like this, where it's like they didn't plan this very well.
There's not enough things here. It seems dangerous.
And the fine line between, man, we just pulled off this crazy party and nine people died, it's razor thin, you know? There is some times where it's like this is the coolest party I've ever been to, and it doesn't go completely wrong, but it could have at any time. One of those house parties, we had 200 people and they're raging in the living room.
And I thought for, I started standing closer to the wall because I was like, this floor is going to give out, man. There's no way.
This could end badly. This house could not be designed to have this many people jumping up and down like this.
Yeah. And, you know, a lot of being happy, especially like being happy about how you spent your 20s, is getting as close to that line as you can get without crossing over into the killing nine people at City College.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah. Risking it.
Yeah. I've been on the edge.
Yeah. The edge is a place, but it's also a place that's called the edge for a reason, because sometimes nine people fall off of it.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's a place where legends you just you know hey man you know sometimes you gotta get right up to the edge and just live and laugh man l-f-v-i-n yep hunter thompson wrote eloquently about the edge and also died unable to hold in his bowels so you know that is the consequence it's not a long life it's not a long life so because this is america uh getting a bunch of people killed due to your own staggering negligence does not mean that you don't have yeah none none at all and puff daddy proves immune to consequences for his actions even though again every review of the disaster is like he's he's to blame for a lot of this now again i don't want to say all of it because let's not forget the nypd yeah of course they also got those kids killed look there's never a time where the nypd hasn't been a little bit negligent and some people dying in new york city it's like you know it's what they do best that's part of their that's what they get paid for of course yeah um the nypd operates one of the largest surveillance apparatuses on the planet so that they can know more places to get kids killed. So Puff Daddy winds up testifying in court about the disaster when the families of the dead and the survivors sued the college.
After a 1998 court appearance, he told reporters. Oh, so they didn't go after him at all? They just went for the college? No, no, go after the college.
I think at this point, the college is who has money. He's not rich.
Yeah, he's a kid. Good point.
No reason to go after him. He's got nothing.
Yeah, what's he gonna do for you? After a 1998 court appearance, he told reporters that, like, I think about it every day. I think about, you know, the dead every single day.
You know, I'm always, my thoughts are always with them. Quote, but the things that I deal with can in no way measure up to the pain that the families deal with.

I just pray for the families and pray

for the children who lost their lives

every day. So he literally

wrote I'll be missing you like

radio about the people he got

crushed today. Yeah.

Every day, man.

Every time I pray, man, I'll be missing

you. Yeah.
He hit him

early with that.

He did.

He did.

Right away.

It's a thing that always works for him.

Get the hits, man.

Play the hits. I can't wait till we have our first dictator who takes a note out of, who like fucking

like uses chemical weapons on a crowd of protesters and then gets in like a studio and sings,

I'll be Missing You. Pro tip for the future dictators who listen to this podcast.
There's got to be one of you. Have a banger ready to go.
Have a banger ready to go. And look, if you do succeed in becoming a dictator, just give me a province.
Just one province is all I ask for. Oh, hell yeah.
I mean, let me, you know, I'll make a golden house for my, of course I'm going to make a golden house, you know, but like, it'll be, it'll be gold plated. I'm not that much of a crime.
As one does. As one does.
You can bring your Grammy over to my gold plated house, Will. Yeah, man.
We'll take shots out of it. Hell yeah.
Now, speaking of I'll be missing you, I'm going to be missing you all because this is the end of part one. But don't worry, folks.
We have a lot more coming. This is this.
This whole week is going to be Diddy Week here at Behind the Bastards. Diddy Week.
Will, my friend, you have a TikTok to plug. I have a TikTok.
I am Greasy Will Music. I have a podcast.
It's called That Sounds About Right. I have a Instagram that you can find me.
I'm Greasy Wheel. G-R-E-A-Z-Y-W-I-L.
One L because the second one wasn't pulling any heavy weight and I decided I was wasting time doing it. Fuck that L.
Yeah, fuck that L. But I am highly Google-able.
I am all over the internet. I can be found almost anywhere.
You could even send a telegram to me still. I accept telegrams as long as they are Western Union and contain money as well.
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. I send you telegrams, but entirely about our oil business down in the Arizona territory.
I drank your milkshake. That's right.
That's right. That's how you and I spend our free time.
Being old-timey oilman. It's a great time, everybody.
Well, until next week, folks, become an old-timey oilman yourself, you know? Start an oil rig somewhere. Next week.
Next part. Next part.
Yeah, next part. Not next week.
We'll be back tomorrow probably. Yeah.
Anyway. Minutes from now.
Just hold your breath. We're going to keep recording.
Yes. Anyway, I love you all.
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