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Speaker 12 Hello and welcome to Better Offline. I'm your host, Ed Zitron.

Speaker 12 Today I'm joined by the wonderful Sophie Lichterman, who will be overseeing our Q ⁇ A episode, our very first one. Sophie, thank you so so much for joining me.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I'm kind of the Q ⁇ A MC over here at CoolZone Media, as in you need somebody to ask you the questions.

Speaker 12 And we've had wonderful questions from all of you this week. Thank you so much.
We're going to try and do these every couple months, but I love hearing from you. Please post on the Reddit.

Speaker 12 Please message me. You have my email, easy at betteroffline.com.
And that's ez at betteroffline.com for the Canadians and the British who listen to this as well. But Sophie, why don't we take it away?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I'm just going to jump through some of these questions and

Speaker 13 like, thank you guys so much for submitting them. Like, we really genuinely appreciate it.

Speaker 12 It's cool.

Speaker 13 It's cool. It's cool that you have a podcast where people like you enough where they want to ask you questions.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 It's sick.

Speaker 13 All right. I'm going to start with a question from Garrett Smart.
Do you think AI is actually useful in any capacity, even as an assistant in the areas of art or programming? If so, why?

Speaker 12 So when it comes to art, I think that there are new functions like slightly better clone tools as well that I've heard people use. But really, this is just a bridge from Photoshop.

Speaker 12 I will say, for the most part, art is

Speaker 12 not a great one because usually it's just getting rid of the creative side. Programming is a more complex one.

Speaker 12 So, there's an excellent video I'll link to in the episode notes from the Internet of Bucks that Carl Brown, I think his name is. I really want him on the show.

Speaker 12 Carl, if you're listening, please come on. Where he kind of said that generative AI code is

Speaker 12 different to what software engineering is. Like software engineering is solving a murder or an investigation far more than generative AI is just creating code.

Speaker 12 Because software engineering isn't just spooting out code and saying, here we go, we're done. We now have software.
Software is a manifold series of different things you have to do.

Speaker 12 And on top of that, things break when you plug them into other things. And our internet and most software products are built in a patchwork of different things.

Speaker 12 So software development, the best I've heard is that it can be used in very controlled situations for very specific things.

Speaker 12 If you're really interested in learning what it can actually do, I recommend Max Wolf and Simon Wilson. I'll link them in the notes as well.
But those two are non-hype AI guys.

Speaker 12 I also really recommend the Internet of Bugs, which again, I'll link as well. There are software developers who use this stuff.

Speaker 12 I don't know about, and actually the Internet of Bug videos, really good as well because it breaks the whole myth of, oh, Microsoft and Google saying 20 to 30% of their code is written by AI.

Speaker 12 It's kind of bullshit, as you'd expect, because you can't just hand off code like this. There's also vibe coding.

Speaker 12 Vibe coding in and of itself has so many problems in that, yeah, when you create something that works in a way that you literally don't understand by definition, yeah, it's probably gonna fucking break.

Speaker 12 I mean, it will break at some point, and you won't know how to fix it other than to poke the machine that built it and say, fix the problem I don't understand.

Speaker 13 It's a good answer. From Falcon underscore 1983.

Speaker 13 I'd be interested to hear Ed's process for researching and planning his stuff. How long does it take to go from an idea to a finished article and podcast?

Speaker 13 I'm excited to hear the truth for this one.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 12 So, Sophie, Sophie's going to love this. So, the answer is several seconds or several days or several weeks.
So, I'll give you an example. I have an upcoming newsletter that's about 13,000 words long.

Speaker 12 I'm going to break it into probably two or three episodes. That thing started with me listening to JoJo Bizarre Adventure, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure music, even,

Speaker 12 sitting outside, just it was a nice day, I had a smoke, I was like, oh fuck. I started writing down like the most insane notes ever.

Speaker 12 I then sent that to my editor and my mate Casey, and we talked about it for like a day or two. And then I get pissed off like a baby that needs to fart or burp.
I sit there being mad at the idea.

Speaker 12 I message people like, what do you think about that? You ever see this? And they're like, I don't know what you're talking about, Ed. I don't understand what you're talking about.
What do you mean?

Speaker 12 And then I'll, then in explaining it to them, I'll actually come up with the idea. And then I will sit down and I will write for several hours.
And I will write for several hours straight.

Speaker 12 I will research as I'm writing. There will be stuff that I pick up along the way in my day that I'm reading.
And I'll go, this kind of makes me feel annoyed or feels like it slots in.

Speaker 12 And then I will go through a full, I, so the 13,001 took me about three days.

Speaker 12 probably three days about three hours each bits and pieces and i'm researching as i go that's a big part of my process, which sounds insane, but it's mostly because I'm trying to explain it to myself as I go, which works pretty well.

Speaker 12 It makes the things a little long, but I mean, that's why you listen to the podcast. Then there will be situations like with Giant Bomb.
So the Giant Bomb episode came out last week.

Speaker 12 So that one came together in a few minutes. I was like, I messaged Dan Reichert over there and said, hey, look, I would love to do an episode with you guys.
And it just came together quickly.

Speaker 12 Same with like Karen Howe.

Speaker 12 And so it really is a tapestry of different things. There will be times when I ping friends and just say, Hey, look, what do you think about this idea?

Speaker 12 And I will shoot the shit with them for a few hours and something will come out. That's why I end up.
I mentioned Casey Kagawa a lot.

Speaker 12 He's one of my closest friends, and we ideate a lot because we both have brainworms. So, yeah, I don't know if anyone else in the world writes like this.

Speaker 12 It makes me sound insane, but I really enjoy it and I feel better at the end. Like, it feels like I really built something.

Speaker 12 It's cool. I like doing it.
The monologues are insane in that those usually take me about

Speaker 12 10 minutes of pacing around thinking and then about 20 minutes of writing. Then I record straight because I like the monologues.

Speaker 12 The monologues I think I have more fun with than anything else because they're so low. They're low velocity, low pressure.
I love doing them.

Speaker 12 And I always say, I'll just do five minutes. It comes out as 10.
Oh, really should do a monologue this week. I love your monologues.
Oh, they're the best.

Speaker 13 I love that you were like, yeah, I'll try it. And then you were like, I had so much fun doing this.

Speaker 12 That's because it's low pressure. You can tell.

Speaker 13 But you can tell.

Speaker 13 That's why they're so good. Because if you were doing them out of like, oh, obligation to rant, as opposed to like, I actually like doing it.
And then it's just not as interesting, in my opinion.

Speaker 13 You can tell. You can tell.

Speaker 12 As like a

Speaker 13 podcast, a producer of many podcasts, you can tell when somebody's phoning it in.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I don't think I have it in me to phone it it in. No, you don't.
I get, I mean, the man who killed Google search, as you know, from last monologue.

Speaker 12 Sorry, two monologues back, even when we're recording this. Yeah.
Was literally that came from me being pissed off about, like, I was trying to phone in a Shein newsletter.

Speaker 12 It was like super, not she in newsletter

Speaker 12 podcast. And it was super early and better offline, so I had no process.
I was just like worried, just constantly worried every week. Yeah.
Not anymore, though. Now I

Speaker 12 feast on content.

Speaker 13 Yeah, you caught the podcast illness.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 12 the Evans madness.

Speaker 13 Let's do another one. From Logan.
My question is,

Speaker 13 how do you see the copyright lawsuits playing out and its effect on generative AI in the tech industry?

Speaker 13 Do you have faith that creators will win and copyrighted content will need to be pulled from these models, severely hindering their performance?

Speaker 12 I think that it's going to be

Speaker 12 weird and confusing right up until it isn't. So I don't think you're going to have like a unilateral win in any of these cases.
It's never that clean. It's never that easy.

Speaker 12 But I think what is most likely to happen is there's going to be a win and then there will be a massive settlement. But that settlement will be used in the future to break these machines.

Speaker 12 If they lose these things and there is ever like a precedent set that says, and I'm not a lawyer, I realize, but and they say, okay,

Speaker 12 this is the thing where

Speaker 12 this proves that feeding into the models

Speaker 12 is a violation of copyright. Let's just say.
They can't untrain these things. They cannot do it.
You cannot untrain a model. Once a model is trained, it's done.

Speaker 12 There are stages to them they could probably revert back to, from what I understand. But you can't just be like, okay, remove all pictures of Scooby-Doo, remove all pictures of Garfield.

Speaker 12 And another important detail is the model developers don't really understand how these things work themselves. They're still working it out.

Speaker 12 It's why there's so many questions they have,

Speaker 12 where they're like, oh yeah, yeah, it'd just be very complex to remove. The answer is they don't know how.
OpenAI, like a year ago, said they were going to make a media central thing.

Speaker 12 We could opt out of stuff. Just never happened.
No one checked. On the less fun level, it will probably be a big settlement.

Speaker 12 On the funny level will be the judge says, yeah, you have to amend your models. There is no amending these models.

Speaker 12 They will have to spend tens, hundreds of millions of dollars to retrain anything that is used there. There will be some that refuse to.

Speaker 12 I would not be surprised if Elon Musk, if even ordered, just goes, oh, yeah,

Speaker 12 that's not ethical base. They want not going to do it.
And

Speaker 12 no one's going to outsue him. Open AI is far more scared of that.

Speaker 12 Anthropic, extremely weak to that. And on top of that, any of these lawsuits prevailing will fuck OpenAI's non-profit situation, which is already pretty fucked.

Speaker 12 Like there are so many weak points in these companies that people don't realize. And there's always hope.
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Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 13 From Mella. I think it's Mella, M-E-L-A.
I'm sorry if it's not Mella.

Speaker 13 Question. I'm a teacher.
Any thoughts on AI being implemented in the classroom, specifically in public schools?

Speaker 13 We talk about it pretty often because it's constantly getting marketed as a tool, but it is mostly in the context of students learning on it to write research, but not about how it is being marketed to schools.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 so I don't know this subject in depth, but I'll say this. I've heard of people using it for lesson plans.

Speaker 12 Teachers, and if you're not a teacher and you hear this, teachers have to like buy all their own shit and they need to do all their own work. They get basically no support.

Speaker 12 So I wouldn't be surprised if

Speaker 12 OpenAI or one of these companies tries to push in and be like, oh, it's a teacher's assistant.

Speaker 12 And it's a rare case where like, Maybe it kind of helps, but I think after a certain point, if you're making a lesson plan with Chat GPT, you're no longer fucking teaching. I think

Speaker 12 you're just representing someone else's information and hoping it works.

Speaker 12 I worry about administrations in poorly funded education departments just being like, okay, yeah, let's just shove this in here. I think the worries that people have

Speaker 12 over

Speaker 12 Over the whole like, oh, kids are just going to be handed a GPT and told to go nuts. I don't think that'll happen just because, well, Google's already trying to do that with Gemini.

Speaker 12 They're already trying to give Gemini to kids.

Speaker 12 I don't think that that's going to last as long as people think because at some point, a child is going to hurt themselves because of one of these things or hurt someone else.

Speaker 12 And as much as we love our

Speaker 12 unrestrained capitalism in this country and the world at large, there comes a point where that kind of stuff fucks you in Europe. Like Europe will open, unhinge their jaw and swallow open AI whole.

Speaker 12 And the same with Google if they do anything with kids and AI in a way they don't like. Over here, you're going to see some tests, but the fundamental thing is it can't do the teaching part.

Speaker 12 It can do the, hi, I want, like, finish my homework for me, but the actual lesson instruction, no. And nor is there a situation where they're just going to sit kids down in front of it because

Speaker 12 I don't know how would that even, I mean, sure, in some dystopian future, we just hand them a laptop and chat GPT and say, go nuts, but on a practical level, I just don't see that happening.

Speaker 12 And if I guess you could say, then there are the doomers out there who say, well, the Department of Education could force Grok onto everything.

Speaker 12 If you think in that way, if you constantly pull yourself in the doomerist direction, yeah, anything can literally happen ever. Anytime, anything terrible can happen.

Speaker 12 I think you are going to see a lot of departments push. teachers to learn this stuff to the point in your question.

Speaker 12 I think when it becomes student-facing, that's when things are going to get a little bit weird and a little bit crazier because another thing to think about:

Speaker 12 how well do you think conservatives will react to their child being plonked in front of Chat GPT or Grok or what have you?

Speaker 12 And Grok or Chat GPT tells them that, like, black people should have the same rights as white people. They're going to hate that.
They're going to be furious at that idea.

Speaker 12 They're going to say that they're being given a woke education.

Speaker 12 And there is only so much amendment you can do to a system prompt before you entirely break it, as proven by the fact that Grok talked about white genocide or the Boas

Speaker 12 ad nauseum the other day. Shout out to Kylie Robertson, who went on a Chris Hayes to talk about that.
But yeah,

Speaker 12 it's a mix. It's really, it's a question of how far this hype cycle goes and for how long.

Speaker 12 Because if it lasts another two or three years, somewhere it's going to happen, but I don't see that happening at all.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I know it's really kind of gnarly for teachers when they can, when they can so easily tell that students are just using AI to turn in homework.

Speaker 13 I mean, somebody's going to create something that is like a plagiarism tracker, but it's like an AI tracker at some point. You'd have to imagine.

Speaker 12 And those already exist, and they're already dinging students for.

Speaker 12 And I think that there is a wider problem with the whole chat GPT essay writing thing, which is we don't teach children to write. Correct.
I remember when I was at Penn State, I had a group project.

Speaker 12 Very of you listening. I'm very sorry your writing sucked.
I had a group project with like seniors and juniors, and I was a sophomore at the time. And it was like an

Speaker 12 18-page double-spaced essay and everyone's writing was different but the same kind of bad and it kind of mirrored the shitty writing of chat gpt it's the kind of uh intro body conclusion slop we taught people to write like this and we graded them based on this writing we don't because we think oh not everyone can write actually they can i fully believe they can if given media to consume and encouragement and have good writers teach them because we do not prioritize communication as, in fact, I think it is a wider thing.

Speaker 12 We don't prioritize teaching people communication at all. People are using ChatGPT to mediate conflict because we don't have any kind of institutionalized mental health.

Speaker 12 I don't mean like institutions, I mean like making people do mental health stuff. We don't have any kind of classes to teach people conflict resolution.

Speaker 12 And we also don't teach people how to fucking communicate.

Speaker 12 We romanticize, especially in college, this kind of overstuffed architect in the matrix style, indubitably bullshit, which is about making yourself sound smart rather than actually communicating an intelligent point this is a natural weak point for things like chat gpt which is entirely about sounding smart without being smart so i mean i'm actually shocked that teachers can't tell that chat when chat gpt is writing because i've been able to 100 notice when i get that slob it's a really certain kind of echoing nothing behind it.

Speaker 12 There's no, there is no, I'm not even being kind of condescending. I mean, there is a way it writes.
There is a way that Claude writes as well. It always goes like, that's a really good point.

Speaker 13 Yeah, there's usually some kind of like, indeed, that is great. Yeah.
Like there's some like really strange or like, and

Speaker 13 unusually awkward punctuation as well that you can just tell.

Speaker 12 And it doesn't feel right.

Speaker 12 But again, if we have teachers that don't know how to write, who don't know what good writing is, they just,

Speaker 12 and again, that is a, well, not again, I didn't say this yet, but there is also likely not the institutional support for teachers either. So it's just we create these weak systems that get exploited.

Speaker 12 And none of this is a business model for ChatGPT either. Like they got 16.5 million, I think, from

Speaker 12 Cal State University System. It's like that's still losing the money.
And already people are trying to get rid of it. It's just,

Speaker 12 it's also sickening.

Speaker 13 It's a mess.

Speaker 12 Let's go to a fun question from Nora.

Speaker 13 Do you have a piece of tech you wish had been successful but wasn't? Or that you wish was widely influential but didn't turn out that way? I would love to know your answer to this question.

Speaker 12 So my one is the PlayStation Vita. So the PlayStation Vita was this little gaming console that Sony did.
It was PlayStation 3 era, I think it was. It was so cool.

Speaker 12 It was like a step up from the PlayStation Portable. The graphics were good.
It had this weird touch screen on the back that you could use.

Speaker 12 It really wasn't a great idea, but it was like they were trying stuff. It was also just a great form factor, great weight, great games, really great games.
Same with the PSP.

Speaker 12 And I get why it didn't take off, and I think we are getting there. There's the GPD Win4, which is like a little gaming PC handheld.
It kind of feels like it, but it's too chunky.

Speaker 12 I think in the next few years, you might actually see growth in this. Because good lord, is the like I love the mobile gaming PCs.

Speaker 12 For the show, actually, I'm playing with an Asus ROG Ally X, which is really cool.

Speaker 12 We are probably five to 10 years away from what I'm dreaming of, which is a super thin one that's kind of like a Nintendo Switch, but a powerful gaming PC. But

Speaker 12 I wish the PS Vita had done better because we would have seen this quicker. We would have seen a push for smaller silicon, for batteries.
Like there would have been just more money going into it.

Speaker 12 But again, maybe it didn't get there because the tech wasn't ready. I still loved it.
I still really loved it. And

Speaker 12 I really love that form factor as well. And the big thing I guess I'm saying is it's it's not just do these things exist.
It's our play. Like Sony is very good at ergonomics stuff.

Speaker 12 I love their controllers. Like, that was what really made it as well.
It was just,

Speaker 12 I missed, I missed that. And I'm sure there's some, if you are a listener who played with the PlayStation Portable and PlayStation Vita homebrew scene, love you.
Please email me.

Speaker 12 I'd love to talk about it. I miss it.
It's cool as shit. Raymond Wong, who used to write it in verses, did a lot about it as well.

Speaker 12 It's just, I guess the part of tech I'm missing is, well, that never really took off, is these powerful portable handhelds. And we're so close.
We're so close. I can feel it.
I can feel it.

Speaker 12 I can feel the cosmos. It's going to be wonderful when it gets here.

Speaker 13 There was an article that I read a couple days ago from Vice that was probably, you know, not an original piece from Vice, no offense to Vice.

Speaker 13 That was like, your pets could one day be able to talk to you with AI.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 I just

Speaker 13 like

Speaker 13 that to me was one. You've been talking about, and there's a question that talks about the AI bubble burst, which is what this is leading into.
You've talked about that.

Speaker 13 That is such an indicator to me that I'm like, come on, come on.

Speaker 12 Come on, guys.

Speaker 12 Part of the joy of pets is that they can't communicate with us and we have to show them extra love and affection. I know.

Speaker 12 That we have to understand their needs without fully understanding them, that we have to be empathetic and caring about them. The idea that also, I don't want to hear what Babu thinks of me.

Speaker 12 I think he loves me, but now he loves me. I think Howell is the one,

Speaker 12 my cat who kind of like stays in my office mostly. He is the one who I think he's probably got some mean things to say.
He loves me, but he also hits me in the face sometimes.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, like, I think Anderson would not trade me for a piece of string cheese, but my newest rescue dog, Truman, I mean, I'd love for us to know when she'd be like, I'm scared of that.

Speaker 13 But also,

Speaker 13 I don't want to hear that she would trade me for a piece of of string cheese, which I'm pretty sure she would at this point. And I understand it.

Speaker 12 What if my dog's racist?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, come on. What if your dog has like really bad taste in television?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Oh, God. What if your dog is just annoying? What if your dog just like hums? Yeah.
What if your dog's sitting there, like, kind of going,

Speaker 12 hmm,

Speaker 12 just like makes like weird mouth. Like, there's just otherwise, like, my pets are beautiful and wonderful.
I love them so much. And they

Speaker 12 make my life so good.

Speaker 12 They really are angels. Yeah, exactly.
Can you imagine?

Speaker 12 I know. I don't need to.
Well, I mean, Babu talks to me anyway.

Speaker 13 I can understand almost everything that my dogs communicate to me.

Speaker 13 And that's great. And that's where it needs to stay.

Speaker 12 I think Babu can understand me for sure. Yeah.
Because I have tons of videos of me saying, Babu, what do you want? And he meows at me. I'm saying, really? He goes, meow.
And it's like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 12 We're talking. That's what I'm telling myself.

Speaker 13 Like, Anderson can, she's right behind me, staring at you. The legend.

Speaker 12 The legend. Look at her.

Speaker 13 Yeah, she's perfect. But, like, I think she is more self-aware about what's going on in the world than most humans.

Speaker 12 Yeah. That doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Anyways, from Justin,

Speaker 13 this was leading into the AI bubble burst thing. As the AI bubble bursts, what will become of the many mediocre customers who have become overly reliant on it for just about everything?

Speaker 13 That's a great question.

Speaker 12 I think the first thing they're going to find out is they're not reliant on it at all.

Speaker 12 That is the first thing they're going to discover is that they were never reliant on this stuff.

Speaker 12 I also think that in the event that they were reliant on it, they'll choose one of the many open source models. Because large language models are not going to disappear.

Speaker 12 It's not like open AI dies tomorrow. Large language models will not.
The hype cycle dies, they will not die. There are on-device models.
Nvidia is putting out like a $3,000,

Speaker 12 I think it's the DGX

Speaker 12 box they're doing that can run large language models of a certain parameter. It's like it's very doable.
And there are going to be people who just go, I don't, I never really needed this.

Speaker 12 Yeah, there are going to be those who say, oh, well, I use ChatGPT for this, that, and the other. ChatGPT.com will forward to Copilot.
Like, you're going to have access to one of these fucking things.

Speaker 12 You're just going to find out what happens when people are not told to use this stuff, when people naturally use it.

Speaker 12 And I think you can kind of see what will happen there based on the user numbers for these companies outside of OpenAI.

Speaker 12 They can barely muster up the combined active users of like a free-to-play game that sells your information to the Chinese. Like, I think that so much of this demand is artificial too.

Speaker 12 And I think that it's curiosity. People are like, oh, I hear about this constantly.
I should try it out. And then, yeah, people are ultimately a bit lazy.
I know I can be.

Speaker 12 And they're like, oh, I'm in an argument with my mate. What do I do about it? How do I deal with the argument with my friend? Chat GPT.

Speaker 12 And there will be that people use it for that but i also think that again that's not a business model and people will not care for that so i think the future will be large language models with heavy usage limits and premium ones that no one pays for really that are just way more expensive and i really do think open ai eventually cops there i think they get absorbed into microsoft because we don't really have antitrust right now so i think they'll just get paying for premium ais

Speaker 12 sadly so they're paying OpenAI gets like billions of dollars through this, but it's like people, organizations buying it. And you have people, think about it like this.

Speaker 12 If every single news outlet everywhere forever, for two, sorry, not forever, for two years straight or more has said chat GPT, AI, generative AI, chat GPT. Yeah,

Speaker 12 billions of dollars of revenue. Sure.
People will shove money into something if they are told to.

Speaker 12 And on top of that, you have tons of business idiots who are just like, yeah, I need need to put AI in my business. And I have the podcast that's coming up.

Speaker 12 I actually believe our economy is run by a lot of people who don't do any work. So this shit seems like magic.
Of course, they'll buy it for their entire organization.

Speaker 12 They don't know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, sure.
I'll put chat GPT and everything. That's how that works.
Ooh, here we go.

Speaker 12 And I think that when it goes away, well, ChatGPT does, I think that we'll probably see Just the kind of very boring large language model industry.

Speaker 12 And it just, it just won't, it won't be as prevalent. You won't hear about it as much.
And it'll actually be better for the tech, I think, all told.

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Speaker 13 And we're back

Speaker 13 from

Speaker 13 I'm going to try to get this right: P8NTB B A L L N X J.

Speaker 13 I think I did that.

Speaker 13 I think they're trying to say paintball and X J.

Speaker 12 NXJ.

Speaker 13 All right. The question is, Ed,

Speaker 13 what are your favorite activities that have nothing to do with tech?

Speaker 12 Okay, so I have a local basketball court I've been going to on my own and I've been playing basketball on my own, which sounds very sad, but no, it doesn't.

Speaker 12 I do a shit ton of fitness. So last year, lost a ton of weight.
I'm down like buck 65 now, muscle. It's great.
So I work out a lot. The reason I don't bring up lifting is because that's tech.

Speaker 12 My tonal is a tech thing. Basketball is not.
It's me, my music, and hooping. And I'll tell you, I am one of the worst shooters of all time.
I am so bad at it.

Speaker 12 But I really like rebounding and I really like the cardio thing because I needed a cardio level to go because my boxing was kind of stalling.

Speaker 12 So I really enjoy just like running around for half an hour, like catching a ball in the air and shooting it. And then I want to play basketball with you.
You will demolish me more than that.

Speaker 12 I have the cardio.

Speaker 12 I have the cardio, but I'm like, how tall are you?

Speaker 13 I'm five foot three on a good day.

Speaker 12 Okay, yeah, I might be all right then. I'm five nine.

Speaker 13 I was captain of my varsity basketball team.

Speaker 12 Oh, then you'll demolish me then. Okay, you will send me to hell.
You'll be able to actually get the ball in the hoop, which is my one problem. But I really like that, and I really like barbecue.

Speaker 12 So I have two pellet smokers, which I realize to some listeners who do, like, the wood chunks is kind of considered haram, but fuck you, you purist bastard.

Speaker 12 But I love making ribs. I love making tri-tip.
I hate making brisket. It was a few years ago I really fucked up.

Speaker 12 I love tri-tip's the best. My tri-tip's incredible as well.
I really enjoy that. I do use some tech things.

Speaker 12 I have a combustion thermometer, but really it is just a giant steel thing full of smoke that I watch. And it's great and it honestly has been

Speaker 12 really good for me and it allows me to cook for people which i love doing

Speaker 12 and yeah that and when i'm waiting for stuff to cook i will stand watching tv outside bouncing the basketball around catching it in the air i just i have some weird habits as you can probably guess but i really enjoy but like being bad at basketball i honestly have not enjoyed

Speaker 12 do you like to watch basketball i'm getting there i'm still learning the the people i know know that James Harden is constantly at strip clubs or being traded.

Speaker 13 I hate him. My brother played against him in high school.
He's been an asshole since he was a child.

Speaker 12 Yeah, and he seems to enjoy tricking people into doing fouls. But I just like him more if he was ruder, like if he was more of a heel, if he was like, nah, the fans a bit.
Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 13 prop Ian and I can teach you.

Speaker 12 I would love to learn basketball.

Speaker 12 You're a Laker fan, by the way.

Speaker 12 You are. I like that.

Speaker 12 it's good you've been assigned uh baseball as well i really enjoy baseball i got into baseball a few years ago i really enjoy going to baseball don't really enjoy watching it on tv like i can but i need to like have a reason i'm there like it needs to be like a like an lds or something i'm like a dodgers padres mets fan it's a whole mess that's funny i'm more of a game i'm like the rob low wearing the nfl hat guy i'm just like i'm here for the game but i really do i really enjoy baseball.

Speaker 12 And with that in mind, I also enjoy, but haven't been for a while, going to a batting cage. I really enjoy batting cages.

Speaker 12 It's just, especially when you're on the computer all the time, you're looking at screens all the time, and you just go and you hit a ball that's like thrown at you at 70 miles an hour.

Speaker 12 It's very difficult, but again, really enjoy it.

Speaker 13 How do you feel about like mini golf and like the driving range?

Speaker 12 I do. I like mini golf.
Never done the driving range, though.

Speaker 13 I like mini golf a lot. Mini golf is great.
You know, I don't, I don't like like that, like, uh, what's it called? The, like, Yassified, like, driving range where they're.

Speaker 12 Oh, top golf?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I really don't enjoy top golf.

Speaker 12 Um, oh, it's just unfortunately. It was so golf.

Speaker 12 I've never, like, really known where you'd go. I guess it just felt like a driving range to me.
And it's like, I like mini golf. I think mini golf is fun and silly.

Speaker 13 I like, like, a really, like, old-school mini golf course that you know has been there forever.

Speaker 12 And, like, yeah, it's kind of shit.

Speaker 13 It's shit in the tech, and there's, like, no tech.

Speaker 13 It's just, like, really bad, like, wooden wooden art and it's just hilarious you're not sure if it's meant to go in a certain place but you keep playing anywhere

Speaker 12 like bowling

Speaker 12 no so i have a uh coordinational disability called dyspraxia which is really weird i realize basketball has honestly been an exploration of how prevalent that is in my life though because i could not dribble the ball when I started.

Speaker 12 Like I physically could not. I would get maybe three or four bounces before I drop it.
Now I can run at full speed up and down the court, dribbling, changing hands. I can turn around.

Speaker 12 I can grab a ball in the air. So it's been this weird exploration.
So bowling might be one of those things where maybe if I try it more.

Speaker 13 I don't know. The sticking your fingers into dirty holes thing is

Speaker 12 we've all been there, but

Speaker 12 it's one of those things where

Speaker 12 six months ago, I'd have said no, but the basketball side, again, on screens all day. So like my achievements are all typing.

Speaker 12 But like being able to grab a ball out of the air, being able to actually rebound successfully, it's thrilling. I really enjoy it.
And it's like something where I can't look at a screen.

Speaker 12 I have to look at where I'm going to miss next.

Speaker 13 I'm telling, I'm going to text Ian and Prop right now. We're going to give you a full basketball education.

Speaker 12 I would love that. I would genuinely love that.
Casey Kagarwoff ran to the show, got me into baseball in the same way. That's how I get into sport.

Speaker 12 I also do watch the NFL, but I think saying I like the Raiders is a stretch.

Speaker 12 It's like attending a years-long class action suit.

Speaker 13 That was the weirdest thing that's ever coming out of your mouth. The Raider.

Speaker 13 I know locationally, sure, but like to actually like the Raiders, you have to be a specific type of person, which you are not.

Speaker 12 Well, the funny thing is, is Arie Fassan from 60 Minute Drill football podcast I do laughed at me once because he asked on the pod, he said, why'd you get into the Raiders?

Speaker 12 And I was like, oh, I lived in Oakland at the time and the season ticket's really cheap. And he just goes, you got into a football team because of market conditions.

Speaker 12 And that is something that will haunt me for the rest of my life because it's true. However, the team might be good this year, maybe.
Yeah. But

Speaker 12 I haven't had hope before, so who cares?

Speaker 12 Yeah. Oh, and also the show JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
That's another thing I really like. You don't want to get me talking about that too much.

Speaker 13 Is that what the question about JoJo is?

Speaker 12 Yeah, you can skip that.

Speaker 12 I was like, I don't know what that is, so I'm not going to answer. You don't need to.
I would have to explain a bunch of stuff. I'm not

Speaker 13 like that went over my head. Um, I'll ask one more serious one and then we'll do the cats.

Speaker 12 Sounds good, all right. Um, which one do I want to ask?

Speaker 13 That's serious.

Speaker 13 Oh, this comes from Eric. How the fuck is anyone supposed to make anything cool and make a living out of music anymore?

Speaker 13 I quit touring to be with my kid, but all the avenues I was going to explore and crumble under my feet. I think that's a good question.

Speaker 13 I think that's like music, but it's also just like, how the fuck are you supposed to create anything anymore?

Speaker 12 I think the thing that

Speaker 12 the problem is that it was never really a good way of making money before. And the internet had this explosion of where

Speaker 12 it was good to make money for a bit, but there were only so many people who could. I mean, iHeartRadio and CoolZone came to me and I did the podcast because they could pay.

Speaker 12 Like I wouldn't have done, like the idea of starting a podcast and like building an audience and selling ads sounds nightmarish to me. I can't imagine being a musician right now.

Speaker 12 It seems the way that musicians I know are making money are skipping streaming services, doing a shit ton of touring, doing merch, like kind of old school measures.

Speaker 12 I know these aren't really good answers. I have, I can only sing, I can't play any musical instruments.
I wish I could. I've never toured with anyone or have experience with that.

Speaker 12 But my general thing with creators right now is, and the only really good advice I've ever had is find whatever is easiest and do that.

Speaker 12 The reason I do my newsletter is, though they're very long, I enjoy doing it and it isn't, it's work, I guess, but it comes very very naturally. I don't do anything that doesn't.

Speaker 12 I find ways to streamline things that I don't like doing, like I think anyone does. And I obviously like run like a PR firm and another thing.
So like, I need to make sure my time is used well.

Speaker 12 But the big thing is, is I don't know how anyone does anything independently anymore. The newsletter, I think I could have monetized, but

Speaker 12 the best advice I got there was from Drew, Drew Fairweather. So I'm married to the Sea, the shares was just keep creating stuff, which I know is deeply unsatisfying.

Speaker 12 But the mistake that people get pulled into is they're like, okay, so I've got Patreon, I've got this. What platforms am I on? I'm on the platform, I'm on this platform, am I posting to social?

Speaker 12 Am I posting to LinkedIn?

Speaker 12 Am I on Instagram? Do I have Instagram clips? Do I have this? All of that time could be spent making something. And indeed, this is advice that I got from Sophie and Robert fairly.

Speaker 12 Just fucking record. Just go for it.
You will never be perfect. You will never be able to do a flawless episode or flawless product.

Speaker 12 What will come through is that you care about doing it and you're actually fucking doing it.

Speaker 12 Because so many people get obsessed with the social media of it all, with the pushing, like with the, I must hit content every week in this way, in this perfect way, with all these clips.

Speaker 12 And I must resemble another content creator. When it really comes down to it, it's just pushing out, try stuff.

Speaker 12 Another great bit of advice I got was from wonderful Matt Weinberger. I used to be a business insider, great editor, great writer.
And he said, look to hit hit singles rather than home runs.

Speaker 12 You want to just keep putting stuff out regularly enough that you get feedback, that you get the natural feeling of what bangs before you even finish it.

Speaker 12 That way, it will have more mass appeal because you'll learn more from people's reaction and from creating stuff than you ever will from doing a perfect social campaign, from following the right people, from having enough retweets.

Speaker 12 And this, the beginning sucks. When I started, I already had somewhat of a following, ironically, from PR.

Speaker 12 I can only recommend just creating more. I realize this is kind of an unsatisfying answer, but there are no good ones here.

Speaker 12 Discovery sucks on everything now, even for popularity.

Speaker 13 When Ed started his podcast, he was like, I'm terrible. And I'm like,

Speaker 12 keep doing it.

Speaker 12 You're happy.

Speaker 12 Now I enjoy it.

Speaker 12 Now they have to tell me to do less. It's true.

Speaker 12 Last question from Carolina.

Speaker 13 They say, I have an underlining curiosity to hear what your cats' favorite toys are and if they like Churu. Is that how you pronounce that?

Speaker 12 Churu is this taste.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's this goop.
I have yet to give my cats the goop. Yeah.
So, Babu, Pokey, Howell doesn't really like, I am his toy. He comes and sits on me.
He bites my hand occasionally.

Speaker 12 He purrs. He lies down.
He's a big, big softie. Same with Tingus Pingus.
Tingus Pingus doesn't really play. Pokey and Babu's favorite toy is each other.

Speaker 12 They chase each other, two bengals, they just bolt around the house. They don't do it much.
I have one of those cat wheels. Babu will go and run on it for 15 seconds.
He will walk over, meow,

Speaker 12 run on it, get ahead of Steam, and then stop and then sit down on it. They like the classic dangly toys.
They like to jump. Babu, we have like a river in the wall.
where we put something very high

Speaker 12 with like one of the dangly ones and babu would just do these insane like six foot jumps.

Speaker 12 Oh, he loves it. He loves it.
And yes, of course, boxes.

Speaker 12 Anytime I get a box,

Speaker 12 they want to get in that. They want to play in the box.
The twist tie things. I get cheap toys for them because they seem just as happy.

Speaker 12 Another thing is, this isn't really a toy, but I got one of these donut beds for the cats and they didn't use it for a year.

Speaker 12 And then one day I found, in the space of 24 hours, all three of them trying the donut hole in the middle. Now Pingus mostly uses it.
I have never tried giving them churu.

Speaker 12 I am now going to get some churu and try just because.

Speaker 13 Have you tried one of those

Speaker 13 glove brushes?

Speaker 13 My best friend's cats,

Speaker 13 I go to their house and I just sit there with the brush and they're just so far.

Speaker 12 I get one of them

Speaker 12 and I use it a few times, and it never seems to... There is always more hair.
So I think I need to get a deeper grooming.

Speaker 13 Well, it's not even for the brush. It's not even for the grooming.

Speaker 12 Oh, they love it.

Speaker 13 They love it, yeah.

Speaker 12 I pull that thing out sometimes when pingus i don't know he looks particularly cute yeah and i just go and pick i go and like pick him up and sit down and start like grooming him like blofeld but with a giant kind of like blue spiky glove looks very sinister

Speaker 12 but he he really he really pingus is the sweetie he's the sweetest of them all of them are i'm blessed with my beautiful cats and my friends as well but like my cats really i genuinely believe that cats echo something about their owners so if you have someone with like super dysfunctional cats, there's a reason.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I feel that way about my dogs. They are me, and I am them.

Speaker 12 Well, they're wonderful dogs.

Speaker 12 I've yet to meet them, though. One day I will.
You will. I have to make it to Iraq.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 You will.

Speaker 12 But yeah, I'm going to get Churu after this.

Speaker 13 I actually have some because they gave it to me to.

Speaker 12 I thought you were going to say you were eating some.

Speaker 13 No, somebody gave, somebody, when I, when I, they was like trying to, it was, it's like in like a,

Speaker 13 like a, for like pill, pill hiding for a pet. Somebody gave it to me as like a thing.
But turns out Truman will

Speaker 13 eat a pill out of my hand just

Speaker 13 a la carte. She doesn't need the Tru-Ru.

Speaker 12 Perfect dog.

Speaker 13 She's an angel.

Speaker 12 She's a good girl.

Speaker 12 Well,

Speaker 13 you did the mailbag. You did the keyboard.

Speaker 12 You did the mailbag. We will do another one of these in maybe a month or two.
I love doing this. I love hearing from all of you.
And genuinely thank you to all the listeners who reach out regularly.

Speaker 12 Because if I say so much as something negative about myself, you are all very reassuring and you refuse to accept it. I love you all genuinely.
I'm blessed to have you. So thank you for listening.

Speaker 12 And yeah, until next time, Sophie, thank you for being on with me.

Speaker 12 Of course.

Speaker 13 Of course. I can't wait to teach you more about basketball.
Prop and Ian are the group chat has decided you're in the club. You made it.

Speaker 12 Hell yeah. I look forward to it.
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