An Abortion Story (FBF)

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Speaker 4 I'm currently on my way to a preferred women's health center

Speaker 4 where women in Charlotte, North Carolina get abortions.

Speaker 4 It's a Saturday, so the clinic is probably going to be pretty busy. Saturday also is probably when a lot of protesters will be here.

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Speaker 4 50 years worth of women's rights in America overturned

Speaker 1 and ended a woman's constitutional right to an abortion.

Speaker 1 Puts every

Speaker 9 There's an ultrasound down there. Just go park there, okay?

Speaker 10 Go ahead.

Speaker 9 Go down there there to the ultrasound.

Speaker 10 Keep driving. You're getting a car body.
Keep driving.

Speaker 8 Inside that building, you are not going to find hope. You are not going to find health.

Speaker 2 You're not going to find joy or peace or any of those things inside that building because none of those things can come from the murder of your innocent life.

Speaker 7 You don't have to go in there today.

Speaker 2 Don't follow the path of the wicked that are driving you, that are bringing you into this building, lying to you about the humanity of your child, leading you like sheep into the world.

Speaker 10 Hi there, I'm a volunteer.

Speaker 10 Come on,

Speaker 10 no matter what you're doing.

Speaker 8 God words of the sixth commandment, God says, thou shalt not murder.

Speaker 4 I want to start off by having you introduce yourself.

Speaker 12 I'm Hala Hales.

Speaker 6 I'm the executive director of a Preferred Women's Health Center, and this is my ninth year being here.

Speaker 4 So your parents started this clinic.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 4 In what ways has your clinic been impacted by the overturn of Roby Wade?

Speaker 6 This is easily the most desperate I've ever seen patients, which is very frustrating. However, like we do focus on the fact that we are still helping patients live their best lives.

Speaker 4 Because as an outsider, just coming in and seeing the protesters, immediately I'm like, holy shit, this is hell.

Speaker 6 And this is like an easy day.

Speaker 6 once you get here and you're driving to the clinic you're driving past these folks who are calling themselves pregnancy counselors

Speaker 6 but they're not with the clinic and they're specifically trying to stop patients to explain to them why they shouldn't have an abortion or what they can do instead

Speaker 6 you're seeing these patients and their companions come in and you start hearing people yelling at you and being like you're a murderer, you're a slut, mama, don't kill your baby.

Speaker 6 They're so loud that you can hear it through the doors and through the walls. And it is traumatizing.

Speaker 6 One of the worst and most uncomfortable feelings to have is when a patient comes in and like is so distraught and so upset.

Speaker 6 And, you know, you ask them what's wrong and they're like, am I going to die? I'm like, honey, why did you come in if you thought you were going to die? And she's like, well, I can't have this baby.

Speaker 6 But the guy outside tells me that like people die here all the time. And I'm like,

Speaker 6 The fact that you felt like you were submitting yourself to what you thought could be certain death is just so heartbreaking.

Speaker 4 Well, now that abortion laws can be determined by each state, conservative America is tightening its grip.

Speaker 5 So we knew that the United States Supreme Court was going to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Speaker 14 Fuck.

Speaker 15 And I mean this with all disrespect in my heart, you.

Speaker 17 26 states will ban abortion. You're talking about 36 million women of reproductive age.

Speaker 18 I'm a 15-year-old girl and my rights are being threatened.

Speaker 18 And I came here because I'm hoping to not allow these government officials who think they have control over my body to do what they're doing and take us back 50 years of fighting.

Speaker 12 The day that the ruling came down, I had to immediately call up my staff and tell them to stop seeing patients.

Speaker 12 Because in Alabama, we had a law that said that all abortion was illegal and anyone who was involved could be put in jail.

Speaker 12 I'm Robin Marty. I am operations director for West Alabama Women's Center.
And until a few months ago, it provided about half of the abortions in the state of Alabama.

Speaker 12 Now it just does reproductive health care.

Speaker 4 As we sit here today, how many states have made abortion illegal?

Speaker 12 At this point, we have 14 states where there's no longer legal abortion. Now that Roe v.

Speaker 12 Wade has been overturned, all of the states get to decide individually whether or not there will be legal abortion, and they don't have to have it legal in their state at all.

Speaker 12 A lot of times, people think, okay, that means I have to go to the next state over in order to get an abortion. Where I'm from in the south, in the Gulf Coast, there's no legal abortion anywhere.

Speaker 4 So, is that when people are referring to like an abortion desert?

Speaker 12 Yeah, an abortion desert means that you have hundreds of miles that you have to go through in order to be able to access a legal clinic.

Speaker 12 We won't go back. We won't go back.
We won't go back.

Speaker 11 We won't go back. There have been bills in a number of states to ban common forms of birth control, not abortion, birth control.
I think every woman in America needs to know this.

Speaker 4 Should women be nervous and worried that birth control and Plan B could potentially become illegal.

Speaker 12 Oh God, yes. I'm so terrified of it.

Speaker 12 Specifically in Alabama, we think the next legislative session, the emergency contraception is going to be banned. And we think this because

Speaker 12 right after the decision, there was a reporter who went through and asked all of the representatives whether they would consider banning emergency contraception next.

Speaker 12 And the worst part was most of them responded, I don't really know what that is, but yeah,

Speaker 12 that sounds like a good thing to ban. I don't know how it works, but yeah, we should ban it because that's what we're at.
I don't know how it works, but yes, let's get rid of it.

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Speaker 1 Your baby's heart

Speaker 1 If you can't name five parts of a woman's reproductive system, you don't deserve an opinion on women's reproductive health care.

Speaker 1 You're not pro-wife, you're pro-forced birth.

Speaker 1 Women are not your incubators.

Speaker 1 Your religion

Speaker 1 does not have a place

Speaker 1 in my doctor's office.

Speaker 4 you live. I drove up to the clinic while this protest is going on and

Speaker 4 I was shaking. It's fucking terrifying.
There's so much shame as I was driving.

Speaker 4 A man just started screaming, murderer, murderer, and a woman shoved her face at my car window and it's like, did you choose life?

Speaker 1 Did you choose life? Did you choose life?

Speaker 9 There's an ultrasound down there. Just go park there, okay?

Speaker 4 The shame that they're trying to inflict on these women, the confusion also of like how they make you feel, it's so overwhelming.

Speaker 4 And it's, I can't, I cannot even imagine waking up in the morning to get an abortion and to have to fucking deal with this bullshit.

Speaker 6 It is,

Speaker 4 it's insane.

Speaker 6 I am Christy Kelly.

Speaker 4 My regular job is I'm a corporate accountant

Speaker 6 and I have been volunteering in like some sphere of reproductive justice for off and on 20 odd years.

Speaker 4 Your job is an escort and defender.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 So can you describe what those jobs do? Sure.

Speaker 6 So escort's job is to, you know, once the patient's in the parking lot, you get them from their vehicle into the clinic door.

Speaker 6 And the whole point is just to shield them as much as possible, you know, to maintain their privacy and dignity and to try to shield them from, you know, a lot of the rhetoric and really nasty things.

Speaker 4 Do the protesters ever provide misinformation to the patients?

Speaker 6 A better question would be, do they ever not provide misinformation? They try to say things that are not true, like if you go in there, you will die. An abortion is not safe.

Speaker 6 An abortion is incredibly safe. It is safer.
Have you ever had a root canal or gotten your wisdom teeth out? You were in way more danger.

Speaker 4 It's all scare tactics.

Speaker 12 Mostly.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And shame.
Yeah. Shame and fear.
It's the easiest thing to learn about, like the anti-choice stuff and all of that.

Speaker 4 It's not about babies.

Speaker 6 It's never, ever, ever about babies. It's about control.

Speaker 20 We are having a conference here.

Speaker 2 Conference.

Speaker 20 And I'm trying to enlighten these

Speaker 2 folks

Speaker 2 of their slavery to sin and their need to repent.

Speaker 2 I'm free. You're concerned about repentance.

Speaker 2 I'm concerned about yours as well.

Speaker 22 Why do you think my soul is in jeopardy?

Speaker 20 Because you're supporting the murder of children.

Speaker 20 You're in rebellion to God?

Speaker 16 Because

Speaker 2 children are being murdered inside of the area.

Speaker 16 What if I don't believe in God?

Speaker 21 How can I be in rebellion to sin?

Speaker 20 I mean, you can stand on an interstate and say, I don't believe in MAC trucks. There's one coming at you at 70 miles an hour.

Speaker 21 So you are equating God with a Mac truck?

Speaker 20 And you need to to bow before me when you address me. Oh, I will never bow before me.

Speaker 2 Because I identify as royalty.

Speaker 2 I've always felt royal ever since I was born. Well, of course you felt royal.

Speaker 21 You're a white man.

Speaker 4 Do you believe in equality of women and men?

Speaker 20 I believe in equality of value, yes. I don't believe in equality of function.
Like, literally, men and women have different functions

Speaker 20 with their bodies and the way their bodies operate.

Speaker 4 What is your goal when you show up to this place?

Speaker 20 My goal is to try to persuade people not to take the innocent lives of their children and offer them alternatives.

Speaker 2 Some kind of judgment. Is that a man's issue?

Speaker 20 I do think abortion is a man's issue, yes.

Speaker 2 Why is that?

Speaker 20 If men didn't take advantage of women and have sex with them outside of marriage, then this wouldn't be a thing.

Speaker 4 Do you think that it would be helpful if men all at a young age got vasectomies and then when they were ready to financially be able to support a child, then they get it reversed?

Speaker 20 Are you suggesting that the government institute that as

Speaker 20 a government program?

Speaker 4 At this point, we're regulating the uteruses, we We could also regulate the penises, right?

Speaker 4 I mean, if we're forced to have the kids. You believe that.

Speaker 4 I'm just asking you, do you think that would help?

Speaker 20 I don't know. I don't think it would be helpful for society.

Speaker 13 I'm Shannon. I am the executive director of Charlotte for Choice, which is a nonprofit that helps defend and escort patients coming to the clinic.

Speaker 6 What do you make of the term pro-life?

Speaker 13 I don't use it because these folks are pro-life, would be taking care of the children that are born, working with a houseless population, helping others.

Speaker 13 They don't.

Speaker 22 They also believe that help yourself.

Speaker 13 We'll give you everything you need up to two years of life. That's what the antis tell the patients.
We will give you a lavish baby shower for everything you need up to two years of life.

Speaker 2 There's a little bit more involved.

Speaker 4 So let's talk about this RV because this is crazy.

Speaker 23 This is evil, and you know, you know in your heart that this is the murder of your child.

Speaker 4 What is happening in this RV? What is the purpose of the RV?

Speaker 23 You can have a free ultrasound and see your precious baby.

Speaker 13 They allegedly have an ultrasound. They say they have a nurse that gives you ultrasound.
They try to get patients to come on the RV.

Speaker 23 Young women, we have real

Speaker 24 help for you today.

Speaker 13 Yeah, perhaps they give ultrasounds, but while they're doing that, they're trying to convince them as to why they need to continue the pregnancy.

Speaker 23 Please do not do this today.

Speaker 13 They also use this opportunity to hopefully get the patients to not make their appointment, miss their appointment time.

Speaker 6 I can't actually remember a time where an ultrasound from that bus was accurate. I've had folks come in and say, well, they said they couldn't see anything.
Like I was too early to be seen.

Speaker 6 Or you tell them they're too far along to be seen to begin with. Like there's real manipulation here that really works to keep a patient from getting surfaces.

Speaker 8 We don't take money for what we do.

Speaker 19 They don't want you to have any other choices but death, but we have many choices. Help or housing, food, a big baby shower for your child that covers close to two years of the baby's life.

Speaker 6 If you're going to tell someone we have resources for you, be honest about what those resources are. If you take resources from them, they make them sign this like really elaborate contract.

Speaker 6 You have to give them access to going to medical appointments, to posting your image and your potentially future child's image on social media. They get to use you as a bargaining chick success story.

Speaker 6 That's pretty gross. That's really, really exploitative.
And there's a huge element of, you know, white saviorism to it too. That is extra gross.

Speaker 4 It does feel very manipulative.

Speaker 6 Right, because they're going to say, we have resources, we can do this, this, this, this, and this for you. They don't.
We've looked at those pamphlets.

Speaker 6 They're the number to the local social services. It's how to apply for Medicaid, how to apply for food stamps.
How is that helping someone?

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Speaker 24 Inside that building, you are not going to find hope.

Speaker 12 We hear the religious right say that it's okay to do those kinds of lies because it's for a good cause, it's for God. God's word says, The sixth commandment, God says, Thou shalt not murder.

Speaker 12 And it just terrifies me because when you

Speaker 12 feel that every person who is for bodily autonomy is evil, they don't believe the lies and deception of this world, the wicked people, people. Everything's justified.

Speaker 12 They believe that they are fighting the spiritual battle and we are the devil.

Speaker 25 I don't care how many of y'all come out here.

Speaker 25 I don't care how many times you come out here. People are going to get abortion.

Speaker 16 Abortion is still legal in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 We are still free.

Speaker 2 You uphold white supremacy.

Speaker 16 You uphold the legacy of slavery. Forced childbirth.

Speaker 4 How does religion play a part in the fight for women to have access to this type of health care?

Speaker 12 Well, their religion doesn't like women.

Speaker 12 when you look at all of the language in the decision that overturned Roe v.

Speaker 12 Wade it's all hearkening back to the 15 and 1600s when women were possessions that were traded for cows and used to make alliances but they weren't people they didn't have any control over their lives And that's what they like.

Speaker 12 They like the idea of women as possessions. They like the idea of women as something that they can move around and bend around and will do whatever it is that they want.

Speaker 12 And what better way to do that than to have her exhausted and constantly pregnant? Being able to control your own body gives you independence. And that's not something that they enjoy.

Speaker 12 That's not something they like. And apparently it's not something that is part of their Christianity.

Speaker 6 My name is Kristen Smith. My name is Rana.
My name's Nick.

Speaker 26 I'm a non-binary person. My name is Jack.

Speaker 24 My pronouns are Deban.

Speaker 27 My name is Victoria Regel and I had an abortion.

Speaker 6 I had an abortion.

Speaker 24 I had an abortion when I was 20 years old.

Speaker 28 I found out I was pregnant when I was in my early 20s.

Speaker 26 And I had an abortion in Texas in 2017.

Speaker 24 The condom broke. I went and got a plan B.
That did not help. And when I found myself in that position, you know, the partner I had at the time,

Speaker 24 had a really tumultuous and complicated relationship that was not healthy.

Speaker 26 I was unemployed. I was just in a period of a lot of instability.
I was living with a bunch of roommates. It was like the worst time to find out I was pregnant.

Speaker 6 I got pregnant just after my 40th birthday. Like many people who have abortions, I was already a mom at the time.

Speaker 5 I have three kids and last year in May I found out that we were pregnant with our fourth. It was unexpected but we quickly got excited.
We found out it was a boy and we named him Case.

Speaker 5 Everything was perfect up until my 20-week ultrasound.

Speaker 27 I knew from the moment that I saw the positive pregnancy test that I did not want to continue the pregnancy.

Speaker 27 I felt my heart sink to like the bottom of my stomach and I remember I was just crying, crying because I was afraid.

Speaker 5 I knew in my soul that I couldn't watch Case be born to struggle, to breathe, to go through any type of pain, to just lay there and watch him die. I just, I couldn't imagine it.

Speaker 5 So I scheduled, I called the clinic in DC and I scheduled an appointment.

Speaker 6 For me, it was not a hard decision to have an abortion. I was already struggling to balance work and being a parent.
I felt like my kids deserved 100% of my attention.

Speaker 26 I did have to face protesters on that day and it made it really hard. You know, it honestly

Speaker 26 was just really humiliating to have to listen to people scream about me and, you know, tell me I'm a bad person for making a medical decision that has nothing to do with them.

Speaker 24 Having an abortion is probably one of the best things that's ever happened to me. Having that access is one of the best things that has ever happened to me.
It gave me freedom. It gave me a life.

Speaker 24 I absolutely would not have been able to carry that to terms. There is no way I would have survived that.
I would have made sure I didn't survive that.

Speaker 6 I do think about that pregnancy and think about what my life would have been like if I had added another child to our family at that point. And I'm very glad I made that decision.

Speaker 27 I felt so relieved that I could finally move on with my life.

Speaker 1 I could finally heal.

Speaker 27 I wanted to graduate. I wanted to study abroad.

Speaker 27 I wanted to do so many things. And because of my abortion, I'm now figuring those things out.

Speaker 26 And it changed my life for the better.

Speaker 28 Having the right to an abortion, having my abortion, abortion, it saved my life.

Speaker 28 It allowed me to become a parent when I was good and ready over a full decade later.

Speaker 28 It meant that I could grow my family on my own terms according to my own timeline with a PhD degree in hand and pursuing a career I care about deeply.

Speaker 28 It meant that I could live my life in the way that I knew was best for me.

Speaker 4 They

Speaker 4 know who you are. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You're pregnant.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 4 Like, is that almost to them like confusing? Like, oh, the woman that's helping give abortions is pregnant now. Like, how do they treat you?

Speaker 6 Some of them, it really does radically fuck with their heads.

Speaker 12 Last time I was pregnant,

Speaker 6 I gave birth during COVID. And

Speaker 6 after I gave birth, I had complications. My daughter had complications.
And that information got out somehow.

Speaker 6 And that led to a lot of protesters being like, this is, this is punishment. Your daughter's going to die.
Like, this is going to be punishment for all those babies you killed. This is your karma.

Speaker 6 This is your retribution. I used to take it really personally.
I don't as much anymore,

Speaker 6 just because of the fact that

Speaker 6 if you did, if you took it personally, like it would eat you alive. And I feel like that's what they want, though.
They want to eat you alive. They want you to quit.

Speaker 6 They want you to just make their lives easier.

Speaker 4 You have

Speaker 4 been

Speaker 4 personally attacked because of the work you do.

Speaker 4 Do you mind sharing what happened to you in Raleigh?

Speaker 20 Um,

Speaker 6 so when I was still in Raleigh, um,

Speaker 6 I had just gotten out of grad school and moved back down. And like most people who are new to an area, you, you know, you make friends, you, you go on dates and things like that.

Speaker 6 And I unfortunately went on a date with someone who I thought was normal and wasn't. Um,

Speaker 6 uh, turned out to be a protester who knew me and knew my family and knew what I did and had a lot of feelings about it and in turn took that out on me.

Speaker 6 And I was attacked and assaulted.

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She needs to say.

Speaker 12 Oh, no.

Speaker 7 She's serious way too many times.

Speaker 12 I'm sad because I don't think people understand.

Speaker 12 It's very hard. It's hard to be an open book.
It's

Speaker 12 difficult to live life really publicly. And

Speaker 12 it's difficult when you know that there are people that want to cause you harm. And Cala is so unbelievably brave.
And she just keeps coming back and she does it over and over and over again.

Speaker 10 You good?

Speaker 4 Obviously, you're still working in this field. It's very close to you and your family, but to have something happen to you like that, like how did you move on?

Speaker 6 There's a certain level that you don't move on.

Speaker 6 I will say that

Speaker 6 it still comes up. It catches me off guard when it still comes up.
But obviously I was caught off guard in this conversation

Speaker 6 because you lock it, you just lock it down and you keep moving. It's like that is a thing, it happened, and I have to now see patients who are in that exact situation too.

Speaker 6 So, if I can use that to help them and understand them,

Speaker 6 one of the things that I do try to be kind of open about is, and like I keep, like Robin said, like, I keep coming back and I keep being this open book is because,

Speaker 6 quite honestly, people need that and they need to know that they can talk about it.

Speaker 2 Don't murder an innocent child who wants to see me in my

Speaker 16 You're not going to be able to escape death.

Speaker 16 I grew up in the church.

Speaker 15 I know the Bible. I know the true love of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 14 These people, they don't know love. They spread hate.

Speaker 15 They take his name in vain and spread a message of hate and disgust and vile.

Speaker 7 Terrified little man.

Speaker 7 You're the time when

Speaker 14 They're not pro-life, they're pro-hypocrisy, pro-birth, and pro-control. All they really care about is controlling and suppressing women.

Speaker 7 We need to let them know that this is our bodies that we do what the fuck we want to do with our bodies.

Speaker 4 This is not exclusively a healthcare issue. It has become, it is political.
And in order to have autonomy over my own body, I need to get out there and vote.

Speaker 4 It's like, why do I have to vote to have control over my own body?

Speaker 4 How are we not progressed enough as a society where women have equal rights to men?

Speaker 12 That's a fabulous question. How long is your podcast?

Speaker 12 I mean, everything's everything's about inequality, but also it's not just about women not being equal to men.

Speaker 12 It's about white patriarchal men who are terrified of the idea of losing power because when they grew up, they've always been the ones in charge.

Speaker 12 They've always been the ones likely to be running the board meetings. They're the ones that get called on the most in class.
They've always been in charge.

Speaker 6 So much of it is about control, and that does take you back to the patriarchy. If you are not assigned male at birth, you have less power in this country.
You just do.

Speaker 12 At some point, we're going to get to a place where people are going to have to challenge laws, and you challenge laws by breaking them.

Speaker 12 It's something that, quite frankly, I'm doing at this moment by saying it on a camera because I could get charged with conspiracy in my home state of Alabama.

Speaker 12 But everybody should have access to an abortion. Everybody can get access to an abortion, and they can do that by accessing pills online.

Speaker 12 Every person can do that, regardless of their state, by going to aidaccess.org, ordering pills, and having them.

Speaker 4 Interesting, the concept of breaking laws. And let's see, because if every single woman in America, if we all join together and we decide, no, we're actually, we do deserve abortions.

Speaker 4 It's my fucking body. I'm going to do whatever the hell I want.

Speaker 12 There was this amazing protest where 100 women got together and took medication abortion out in the middle of the public square.

Speaker 12 Two of them were actually doing actual pills. The rest of them were taking Tylenol or something.
Nobody knew who was who and what was what. No one was arrested.

Speaker 12 That's the kind of shit we need to be doing.

Speaker 4 What will happen when the government in Alabama sees this?

Speaker 12 That's an excellent question, and it's one that I'm ready for. At some point, you have to decide what you're willing to do in order to make change.

Speaker 4 I don't think a lot of people understand what's going on, which is essentially a war against women and our bodies.

Speaker 4 Coming here has opened my eyes, and I I feel so grateful because there's never been a greater moment that daddy gang can actually

Speaker 4 affect what's going on in the world. Like we genuinely can make a difference and change and I hope this episode shows like this is us.

Speaker 4 We are the women that could potentially also be going through this one day. And so if we don't fight for ourselves, who the fuck is going to?

Speaker 4 What would be your rally cry to people in America that are listening to this in their dorm rooms at home, in their apartments, wherever they are listening? What would you say to them?

Speaker 13 First off is fight. When you fight, you start building strength.
When you start getting up, when you start getting momentum, when you start moving, you're getting ready to battle.

Speaker 22 And that's something that is, I hate to use that terminology, but that's what's going on.

Speaker 13 This is very much a battle.

Speaker 6 I know it's a broken system. And that voting is such a hard thing in this country and so complicated, but it's the broken system we have.
And to ignore it just means downfall faster.

Speaker 12 The idea of hell has no fury like a woman scorned. You just scorned a whole fucking nation of women and they are coming for you.
Like, that is the thing that gets me through every day:

Speaker 12 the thought of the reckoning. I call it the reckoning in my head because, of course, I do.
And it's going to be amazing, and I can't wait to watch it.

Speaker 12 And your audience is who is going to change everything because they're the ones who are going to be the most impacted by this.

Speaker 12 They are the first generation who is going to know what it's like to grow up without reproductive rights, that is going to have to face the idea that there are a bunch of men in power that think that they deserve less, that they don't deserve to have control over their bodies, that they don't deserve to have sex just for pleasure.

Speaker 12 Like,

Speaker 12 what good is a world without sex for pleasure?

Speaker 2 And they're going to fight for it.

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