Megan Moroney: Cheating, Cowgirls, & Chaos (FBF)

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What is up, Daddy Gang?

It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

Megan Moroney, welcome to Call Our Daddy.

Thank you.

I am so happy you're here.

I can already tell this is going to be a disaster in the best way.

I know.

I'm like high-key terrified.

Okay, so you're OG daddy gang.

OG daddy gang.

Let's just talk about that for a minute because I do think that changes the vibe of an interview, right?

It does.

Like I was a junior in college walking around the University of Georgia with my block Kim hoodie.

It was, it was the black one with pink writing.

So good.

I had my pink unwell hat on, just being an absolute menace.

A man would look at me the wrong way and I'm like blocked.

honestly I think that says so much about you I already feel like we're best friends I already know the energy is gonna be fabulous today congratulations like thank you you are everywhere in the best way you're so fucking talented you deserve all the success and everything that has come your way like it's so cool to see a woman in your position rise so quickly and it just all happen your new album is called am i okay so obviously i have to say like are you okay how are we doing today megan what is going on we are more than okay we are this has been like the best week ever.

So, I'm so okay.

Um, but valid question: if you've listened to the album, it's like, dude, is she okay?

I like that you really write from like the personal perspective and you give a lot of details about your life and your love life specifically, because obviously, the tea is hot and I love the tea.

So, I'm like, yes, Megan, give it.

You call yourself an emo cowgirl.

What does that mean?

Can you explain it to us?

So, emotional cowgirl, not to be confused with goth cowgirl.

I get a lot of questions about those two.

Because you're not giving goth.

I'm not giving goth.

We're giving pink sparkles like over the top.

Not goth, but emotional.

I am probably the most emotional sensitive person ever.

When is the last time you cried over a guy?

Um, a few months ago.

There was a few minutes ago.

Oh, no, no, no.

Girlfriend, we are good.

We are good.

A few months ago, yeah.

I was just, um,

I was having a breakdown over a loser.

But I mean, isn't it so sad when you waste your tears on a loser and then

like you think of your mental state and you're like, girlfriend.

But like, you have to have those moments.

Like, you have to go through it.

And then

you come out on the other side and you're, you're better.

And then the best is when you look back and you're like, yes, was it embarrassing I cried.

Like, not as bad as it, like, he's such a fucking loser.

Like, I don't care as much anymore.

And your perspective, right?

But in the moment, it hurts.

It does hurt in the moment, but we got some good songs out of it.

Okay, so let's talk about you.

Obviously, are a country singer.

You, where were you born and raised?

Like, take me back to your hometown and what growing up was like.

So, I was born in Savannah, Georgia.

I grew up in Douglasville, Georgia, which is west of Atlanta.

And I feel like for 22,

23 years of my life, I grew up very normal.

Like, this all just changed.

Um,

so yeah, I mean, I grew up playing guitar with my dad and my brother.

They taught me how to play guitar.

I was a cheerleader in high school.

I also did musical theater, though.

So, like, you can imagine the vibes were a little weird, to be honest.

Those don't go together.

So, yeah, I hurt my knee cheerleading, though, my junior year.

I was in a wheelchair for two months.

I have like a gnarly scar on my knee.

You can check it out.

Okay, cheerleader.

Taking your pants off already.

I'm like, hey, we're five minutes in.

Honestly, let it rip.

But I was in a wheelchair.

So while I had nothing to do, I really learned how to play guitar.

My dad taught me.

And it was only for fun, though.

Like, you know, after school and on the weekends, my dad and I, I loved country music growing up.

I've always loved country music.

So me and my dad would just sing together.

If my brother was in town, we'd do three-part harmonies.

It's just fun.

And I never thought that I would have a career out of it though.

It was always just for fun because I, where I'm from, you kind of do what your parents do when you grow up, you know, and my mom was an accountant.

So I understood accounting.

So I was like, maybe I'm supposed to be doing taxes.

I'll get to college and figure it out.

So that was my mindset.

So yeah, I feel like I had a very normal upbringing.

Music was only just like a side thing.

But I feel like what we see sadly, but also positive for those that have this kind of like rise like you is like, if you get to have a normal childhood, you have the best chance of keeping your shit together and not losing your mind and like going through it.

because people at a young age it's like important to have your formative years try if you can have normalcy and like stability and not people like taking photos of you as much as we all think at a young age that would be so cool That's a lot to put a young kid through.

And then it's almost like in their 20s and 30s, they want to like go back and relive like a childhood and like recreate what they wish they had.

You had a normal life.

So you're now like coming into this and like, it seems like you're just like a normal girl in the best way that like went to college and had pretty normal life experiences.

You just mentioned your brother.

I'm curious, growing up, like, were your brothers super protective with boys?

Like, what was the vibe in the house?

So, my oldest brother that plays guitar, he is about 15 years older than me, I think.

Okay.

And so I didn't grow up with him, but my other brother is two years older than me.

Same.

My brother's two years older than me.

He is like the sweet angel.

Like, I could not ask for a better brother.

So he was never like the brother that was like cussing my boyfriends out.

But he's definitely protective.

protective i dated his best friend that was my first boyfriend um

i love how i'm like was he like protective and like did he scare boys away meanwhile you're like no i ruined his life i dated his best friend um yeah they're not friends anymore beckon yeah that i wouldn't go back and do that again wait can you tell me the story what happened so i it was actually like really weird looking back i was in eighth grade and he was a what is that a sophomore going to be a junior so i was about to be a sophomore or a freshman though so um he was hot and on the baseball team and I started, like, I don't even know how we started talking.

I think we started texting or something.

He became my first like serious boyfriend.

We dated for two and a half years.

He shattered my heart because when it was time for him to go to college, he like made up some line and like broke up with me and I was distraught.

Like I had my mom had to sleep with me every night for like a month.

You know what's crazy is like when you get older, I still probably would want my mom to sleep with me when I'm crying, but since we don't live together, like I'm like, if the proximity was there, would I still call my mom when I was heartbroken?

Yes.

If she would be my bed I would even like sit more and like sob all night.

We also am dead that that was then your brother's best friend.

Like yeah.

And he was like chill in the house about it.

Well, my brother is one of those things where he was like, well, he's making her happy.

So I'm not gonna say

I know he's like the sweetest sweetest angel.

But yeah, that didn't end.

That didn't end well.

Okay, because I know then the story, doesn't it go like then you wanted to go to the same college as him?

Yes.

So me and my brother were like very close growing up.

Like I wanted to be like like I wore my brother's clothes growing up.

Yes.

He played baseball.

So I played baseball.

I wasn't on the softball team.

I wanted to be like my brother.

So when he went to the University of Georgia and my brother's a smart one.

Not that I'm not smart, but my brother is like, he never had to study for tests.

He graduated with like a 4.0.

I'm just like,

got a couple brain cells.

Like Miranda Lambert has a song that says my brother got the brains of the family.

So I thought I'd learn to sing.

And I'm like, I resonated with that lyric so hard as a young child.

You were doing five.

But I followed him to UGA.

yeah so when i was a freshman he was a senior like he did my laundry for me it was a perfect scenario i lived in the dorms which were crusty as hell he had a house so we would have like pizza nights once a week it was like very wholesome okay wait back to high school before we get to college what were you like in high school um i i feel like i was a very much a relationship girl um i had that boyfriend for two years and then my second half of high school i also had a boyfriend um so i feel like i was in i was a cheerleader too but i was also in musical theater So I feel like I was friends with everyone, but I didn't feel like I really belonged in high school.

I was going to say, like, if I walked into your cafeteria, what clique am I sitting, like seeing you with?

Maybe with the cheerleaders, but like on that very instant,

I just stopped.

Because then like your theater girls were in there.

Well, it was like the theater girls were like, should we trust her?

She's a cheerleader.

And then the cheerleaders were like, I just.

I did not know who I was in high school.

I would not say I peaked in high school.

Okay, hold on.

Did I read though that then you thought about going and following your high school boyfriend to college?

Megan?

I am a simp.

Dude, I am,

dude.

If he, if he said go to this college for me, I would have been like, babe, I got you.

I will absolutely rearrange my life for you.

Not anymore.

Not anymore.

We're reformed.

Not anymore.

We're recovered.

Right.

But okay, when you were simping, were you guys with the same age?

This is not your brother's best friend.

This is a new boyfriend.

This is a new boyfriend.

The day I got into UGA, I was like, See you

breaking up with you.

Love you so much.

Not really.

Gotta go.

So crazy.

Like, I remember I had a high school boyfriend, and when I got to Boston, I was convinced I was going to stay with him.

I'm like, we're going to make it work long distance.

The minute I got on campus and saw like the junior boys, I was literally like, peace.

Like, dude, literally.

You get to UGA and there's guys that are like six, five there, and you're like, oh my God.

You literally don't even remember your ex-boyfriend's name.

Literally, it was so fun.

Like, Like, it was so much fun.

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Okay, you're in a sorority.

I was.

And like, I am from the Northeast.

I went to school in Boston.

Like, I don't, and I was an athlete, so I don't understand sorority life whatsoever.

You need to like walk me through being in Georgia and being in a sorority.

I feel like that is like the creme de la creme of like crazy sorority life.

Tell me everything.

Like what was the best?

What was the worst parts of it?

It was insane.

And I don't regret it.

I think that being in KD, actually, I was at Kappa Delta.

Okay.

And I wasn't necessarily involved in everything like I wasn't like planning it like I would go to what I had to go to to not get fined wait it is capital not to get fined oh wait you get fine you if you don't go to chapter you get like fined and stuff okay wait hold on I maybe daddy gang like knows what the fuck is going on but I need you to slow down first of all what is if you didn't go to chapter did you if you didn't go to chapter you would get fined or like chapter chapter is like once a week Something that could have been an email.

I always went in there and I'm like, this could have been an email.

But thank God I'm not studying for my tests.

This is awesome.

What do you do at chapter?

You sit there.

I'm like, I honestly have drop a plug.

You're like, I don't remember because I don't want to remember.

No, um, it wasn't as culty as people make it sound, but there were some like things where we'd all have to sing together.

It was like only like once a month where you would like do the

chants together.

No, literally, like, I'm not even kidding.

We do a chant.

Come on.

I don't remember it.

Oh, I swear.

I kept the one, two, three, four, five.

Those were that's rush week.

And anything you see on TikTok that looks that insane is literally like the

it is, it was an experience.

And I will say, I wouldn't go back and change it, but like once you're out of it, you're like, that is kind of crazy.

Crazy.

We paid to be in it.

We paid a lot of money to be in it.

And if you didn't go to things, you'd get fined.

But I did meet my best friends.

And

I mean, like, my sorority had 300 girls in it, though.

So you're not going to like everybody.

Oh, my.

Obviously.

Like, I think that's kind of what they portray is like, oh my God, we're the best of friends.

If you're a Kappa Delta, then it's family.

And well, I don't disagree with that, but it's just like, it's hard to get 300 girls to get along.

But I met my very best friends through that.

Like, my best friend, Natalie, we met the first day of Rush, and like, we are inseparable.

She lives in Nashville.

Like, it's amazing.

And there's like so many others that I met through Katie.

And, but it was definitely like being in a sorority in Georgia is exactly what you would think it is.

What was your type in college?

Like, what guys are you going to do?

Oh, fuck.

No, I'm just that's not on purpose, but there's a through line with

you're like and then I kept going out of college, which we're still back in.

In college, loved an athlete.

Oh my gosh,

college or professional, didn't care.

Oh my God, Megan.

Hold on, rewind.

Hold on.

Okay, so you weren't going for the frat boys.

No.

And so what sports on campus did we infiltrate?

Football.

See, i didn't have a football team what the

i had so i had soccer and oh hockey was like the main thing in boston okay the football boys it was brief though and then i baseball too different college though i dated a baseball boy that played at a different college how was that um it was an experience did he cheat on you yes

it's like a right of pass can i be honest with you though he's my favorite ex really

because he came around and apologized for his actions and was like you you know what?

I did treat you like shit.

I was immature.

And I can respect that.

I can respect that too.

It's like when they really like push you so down in the dumps to at least apologize because some of them act like you're crazy.

Even if you like find the nudes on the phone.

Like that's something that I'm talking about.

Like speaking of that.

Oh, so I had found a nude on a phone and he said it was from a long time ago, whatever.

Actually, I didn't find it.

He was like going through his Snapchat and then it just like comes up.

You know what I mean?

And you're like, what was that?

Why did it, wait, and this is in college?

This is in college okay um so i was like what was that and whatever lie he told i believed him um of course you're like oh no babe don't worry

more evidence that um i i was in a shower and i saw this like long piece of brown hair on the wall of the shower and i convinced myself that you were going brown no that his hair no it was i convinced myself that that strand of hair came off his head megan i thought you were gonna say you were going combing through your own hair, being like, there must be one piece of brown coming through.

Bitch, what?

It was a low point for me.

And the best part is, and like, I will be, out of all my exes, like, I swear he's one of my favorites because he's just, him and I, it was an immature relationship.

I think you look back at college and you're like, we were stupid.

We were having fun.

And it was never that serious.

And so that's how I view him.

Wait, is he the one that you found the news on his phone?

Yeah.

Got it.

But that's how you found out he was cheating.

Yeah, it was, or that's how I like had an inkling.

And then.

But can I just pause you there?

I think that's a really really good moment for us women to look at like when we get mad at our friends for not leaving their like piece of shit boyfriends that we all know they're cheating like think about what you just said this man has short brown hair and you find a 22 inch long brown extension curled up in the shower and you're like it must be brad's like it must be like gotta be his like the delusion he would never do that to me he loves me he said he loves me this has to be his hair It's the delusion run so deep we can't even be mad.

It's like you are blinded until you get out.

You live in New York.

Okay, what were you going to say?

So I'm not a phone looker througher.

Okay.

But I purchased his Apple Watch.

Okay.

So I looked through the Apple Watch.

No, Megan.

What's worse?

That

I bought it.

So it was my watch to go through.

The genius sitting across from me, I have never been more impressed.

And you know what?

You know what I did?

I sent him a picture.

I was supposed to meet him somewhere.

I was still getting ready.

He had to go early.

I'm like crying.

Out of happiness.

I'm literally crying.

I sent him a picture of the Apple Watch and the pic, like the text that proved that my suspicions were correct.

And then he starts calling me a million times.

I have packed up all of my belongings, put them in my 2010 Mustang at the time.

Girl.

And I went to the pool.

What?

And I waited for him to go.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait.

No, no, no, no.

I need you to rewind because my brain just blacked out.

I'm like, and then she drove away.

Hold on.

You,

what?

I sent him the proof.

So he had to go somewhere.

I was supposed to meet him.

I sent him, he left his Apple Watch.

So I was like, this is God's plan.

Right.

So we're going to go through.

I sent him the pictures, no caption, no nothing.

I just sent it to him.

What are the pictures?

It's just texts where they're like late.

Like they went out and like, she's like, oh, your door's locked.

Like that sort of stuff.

So, I send him that.

No reaction.

He's called me a million times.

I don't answer.

I wait until he's done at his event and has to come home and deal with me.

And where does he find me?

All of my shit packed in my car, and I'm laying by the pool, lounging.

Are you like,

are you even a mechanic?

Can I preface this?

I was in college listening to call her daddy at the title.

I think this is your doing.

You're listening to my voice be like, get a match, burn his home down, smile, and take a look at the match.

I feel like leaving right now is not good enough.

No, you need to like relish in it.

It's just like, hi, babe, the crazy eyes.

Like, did you get my text?

I've been waiting for you to come home.

And honestly, can I be really honest?

Yes, I simped and I stayed that night.

Madness.

Okay, this is what I'm talking about, though.

Like, being able to live life and go through college and be delusional and dumb

has made me the person I am

to realize.

Do you realize that like it's okay to be that dumb?

Because one day you will grow up and be 26 years old and laugh at that.

I am so appreciative of your honesty because you're just like, I appreciate it.

You're not too cool to be like, bitch, I stayed.

Like, absolutely.

I made him dinner that night.

I'm like, so easily manipulated.

What was his lie?

What was, see, I don't even remember, but it must have been good.

I think, honestly, you know what it was, which now I have like a song that correlates, which this song wasn't even written about the situation, but it correlates, was like, I knew if I left, I would have to go home and I wasn't supposed to be home.

So my mom would ask me why I was there and then I have to get the mom involved.

Oh.

So I have a song called Mom I Lied on my new record, which is not about this situation because he's sweet angel.

We love him.

This is about a different guy.

He's a sweet angel.

We love him.

Wait, no, now

at the time, okay, we were mad at him for a while.

You love all of your exes.

You love the Snapchat baby boy with the nudies.

You love the man.

Does this a man?

No, no, no.

Okay.

I take it back.

We don't love him.

Oh.

But compared to the rest.

Oh, it just keeps getting worse.

I love how Megan's like, and I just like, and the woman I am today because it got better.

You're like, hold my shit, actually, Alex.

The Mustang has nothing on than what I'm about to share with you.

Okay.

Did you unpack the Mustang alone?

Did you do it like that?

I think I loved it.

I was like, I'm going to do it the next day.

And honestly, shortly after that, our relationship was never the same.

And so it did take like two months.

And then after that big event, it was never the same.

I will say when you are close with your mother, there's nothing worse.

Like I did the same where i found out a guy was cheating on me and i was just like i have i would rather stay than tell my mom right now because i'm not ready for her to know and the wrath of like her to protect me i need to like live in the delusion just a little bit longer and like i haven't decided if i'm really done yet

so when i tell my mom it's over like my first back to my first boyfriend oh my god when i said i was gonna like text him my mom's like i will turn your phone off and my my mom like monitored my text messages you're still on the family plan She's like, I will cut the cord if you even try.

Oh, wow.

I really love that about your mom, though, because she's trying to keep you honest with yourself.

Of like, you deserve better, but you're like, I don't want better right now, mom.

This feels perfect.

I know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So that was college.

That.

And what are we?

This is like sophomore junior.

That was sophomore-ish, I believe.

Okay.

Okay.

Did you ever like the same guy as any of your sorority sisters?

Or no?

You were like, you were out in the fields and they were with you guys.

I actually dated guys usually, like, I didn't actually date any guy at Georgia ever.

Like, they were always elsewhere.

I'm not going to lie.

That is probably the best way to do it.

So you can kind of keep your own shit over there and, like, not have to deal with them on campus.

And it's a better way to go about it.

I did the same exact thing.

Actually, is it a better way to go about it?

It's absolutely not.

It actually makes them be 10 times shadier, but it seems fun.

Okay, what professional sports were we dabbling with in college, sweetie?

Can I play the fifth on that?

I thought you were about to look at me.

I don't know why.

Okay, can I be honest?

You just gave me a look, but I thought you were about to be like, I have a funny story.

We have talked to the same man before.

I'm like, I wouldn't put it.

I actually have a story for that at a later date.

We do know a same hockey man.

Wait.

Wait, say it to me and we're going to cut it.

You swear.

I promise on my life.

I don't want it out there either.

I'm married.

Okay, all of that is cut down.

I'm sorry.

I just blueballed you, but we do know a similar athlete and it is not Slim Shady.

He doesn't play that sport

no yeah i think he's like a neurotic sociopath i wouldn't put it past okay okay i need to hear this story afterwards because

girl um okay we need to talk about college because i think like we were just talking about you are having a normal life and all of a sudden in college your life changes and like from what i was doing my research on and i want you to tell the whole story like this wasn't a planned thing right this kind of just happened that all of a sudden your career took off Tell us the full story if you can, if you don't mind.

Yes.

I'll try to make this brief because it's long.

But so, like I said, I grew up playing music with my family.

So I would post videos on Instagram sometimes of like our covers.

And if the harmony sounded good, I'd post that.

And so when I got to college and I was in the sorority, I was known as like the country singer just because I didn't even write songs.

I was just singing country songs with my family.

So everyone's like, that's her.

And so for one of our philanthropy events, we hired John Langston, which he's a country artist.

And we used all of our budget on him.

So we didn't have money for an opener, but they were like, Megan is the country singer.

She can surely get up there and entertain people for 20 minutes before John Langston comes on.

So me, my dad, and my brother.

played that gig.

We played three cover songs.

I think it was like two Miranda Lambert songs and one Casey Musgrave song.

And at that show, Chase Rice is there.

So of course he was at the sorority, right?

Of course, of course, Chase.

Of course.

Shout out Chase.

He saw me perform there and was like, I have a show at the Georgia Theater next month that isn't sold out.

If you bring all of these Hawk girls to the Georgia theater, you can open for me first of three.

The only condition is that you write your own song because I don't want you to perform covers.

That's weird.

And so I wrote one song to be able to do that and the rest were covers.

So I had 30 minutes.

And

since I like, ever since I played that show, like it completely changed everything.

And I was like, this is what I want to do with my life.

I don't know how I'm going to make this happen, but we're going to do it.

Dude, that is so crazy that like like it was like a hobby of yours that you're like, I do this fun thing with my family.

And then all of, was that crazy for your family to be like you're taking off when it was kind of like your guys' like fun hobby thing together?

Yeah, like it was very surreal for my family to like see me perform at the Georgia Theater because that's like an iconic venue in Athens.

And for it to happen like so quickly, it was my freshman year.

But even throughout college, you know, like I also like never skipped class.

I was very into school.

So I was very focused on schoolwork.

So I really didn't write that much in college.

I really didn't start writing, writing all the time until COVID.

So even in college, like I was known, I was getting gigs and I was playing at the local restaurant for tips and literally like for 10 people.

But it wasn't like, oh, she's doing it.

Cause it was also like.

well, there's 10 people here and they're all your friends.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

We, I'm so fascinated though, because if you weren't always writing songs, like what was that like first songwriting process like for you you when you had to like sit down and start to figure out, like, what your sound was and your voice?

It's really interesting because I have no idea.

I like just sat down with the guitar and I was like, okay, you have to write a song.

The first song I wrote was called Stay a Memory.

And it was like, of course, like a fuck you song.

It's like, stay in memory and don't come back.

And that's kind of the vibe of my music now.

So I feel like I've always had that kind of like empowering, confident, like vibe to my songwriting.

And then

my junior year, I feel like I wrote, I got my heart broken pretty bad, and I started writing songs for like therapeutic purposes.

And it was like

ever since then, it's just been easy.

Like, I started, I learned how to write by myself.

And I always tell young songwriters, like, if there's anything you need to do, it's learn to write by yourself because you know, you have a point of view, you know what you want to say.

And if you can sit down and finish a song, then like you've got it.

Well, that's what I was going to say: is like what I love so much about your music is you can, yes, you can tell that you are personally writing it.

And I appreciate when it's obviously very relatable because you're going through like a lot of shit that like women go through, aka heartbreak.

And when I'm listening to your songs, I have to ask, what would you consider your biggest heartbreak?

My biggest heartbreak.

Like, what was the worst one?

My biggest heartbreak, like, I think there's like a few that are tied.

It's guys I didn't date.

That sounds so dramatic.

But like I said, I'm very sensitive and i guess you could say dramatic so what i've created in my head is always so much better and hard to let go of than what actually happened like with the guys that i've truly dated like we see it through till we like you know what i mean like by the time it's like we're done okay we are handshaking like peace peace um but it's it's the guys i feel like that have broken my heart the most are the ones that like i never even

like officially dated it's like the situationships where you are like half of the relationship is you like laying in bed and like fantasizing about like what you'll be and half of things you think about and fantasize, they never even happen.

Or like they've showed you who they could be.

And so in your brain, you create an entire scenario of what has not and will not happen.

It's actually so painful.

And when you say it like that though, it does make more sense.

You're right.

Like when you're in long-term relationships, you go through everything together almost.

Right.

And by the end, like I actually kind of understand when you're like the college guys that you that you were like, I love him.

like he's great.

Yeah, because you lived a whole like experience with him and it was like it was time to move on.

The situationships where you're like, are we something?

Are we not?

I feel like I feel like your wife one day and then I feel like trash the next day.

It's a motherfucking mind fuck.

Are you someone that like can immediately get over someone though?

Or are you like on someone for a while?

I feel like I usually sit in my sadness for a while.

I especially now, like, I don't have time to date guys.

Like, I, so, like, I feel like moving out in college was easier because you can just, oh, go out and meet some hot guy, or like, I used to be on Raya.

So it's like, you're just entertaining yourself with other dudes or whatever.

Like, and then it's like, I don't have time for any of that now, though.

So I feel like.

Okay, but do you ever feel like you put yourself in a situation?

Cause you know it's going to make a great song.

Alex.

There are times where my friends have scolded me and I've been like, hey,

I'm like, no, the content we are going to get from this is going to be spectacular.

Bear with me.

It's okay.

To be fair, I think when I look back at a lot of my show, I'm like, I maybe stayed in things longer because I was like, God, this is going to be a good episode.

And at least we're getting to like put it somewhere where like a lot of times you hear girls be like doing it for the plot, but our plot turns into a song or an episode that like is entertaining and fun and can help people.

So you know what?

We can be the vessel of heartbreak and we can just keep going through it, and then people are gonna feel better about their lives.

So, I don't judge you.

I hope you know I've done it too.

So, I was asking because I was like, Oh, I wonder if she's like me where we just like stay in things like that.

Like, there will be times where, like, there was a situation not that long ago where I did something and I texted my manager and I said, We're gonna get a good song out of this.

Also, make me a therapy appointment.

No, no, no.

Can you?

No, no,

I can't.

Give me a hint.

Give me a hint.

You were going through it.

Yeah, it was just like a,

it was a Fresh Out the Slammer by Taylor Swift Situation.

I wonder if I know who you're talking about.

No.

No.

No?

Maybe.

I'm going to get there.

Don't worry.

I'm going to ask you a lot of questions.

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Do you believe in this, like the classic saying, in order to get over someone, you need to get under someone new?

I think you should go to therapy.

I think.

You're like, actually, therapy.

You're like, what I know in my brain is therapy.

The reality of what I do.

Well, I don't think that always helps because I think like I've tried that before and then it's like you end up just missing them more.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

Like it can go, it maybe works out, but I feel like for the most part it doesn't.

And for me, like when I go to therapy and then I tell my therapist how I'm getting treated, that usually like helps me get over it.

Right.

They're like, let me, that's so rough.

Let me bring you back down to earth and like let you realize how you're supposed to be treated.

I'm like, oh shit.

That's the worst when they're like, so let me say back to you what you just said to me.

And I'm like, no.

And she's like, so you just said he did this, this, this, and this to you.

And you called him the next morning.

And I'm like,

of course.

Of course.

He said he was sorry.

Dude, that is humbling.

Okay, so now I agree, though.

Like, it's very rare if you're moving on from someone that you can find someone that will actually make you forget about the person that you're hung up on.

That's fucking rare.

Like, I maybe in my life have had it once and then it like also fades anyways.

Right.

And then you're with the person.

You're still thinking about the other person.

So it's like, this is not good for anyone involved.

No.

Okay.

Let's talk about Megan now, though.

Because we did, you know, I did catch when you said, you know, oh, it got worse.

Just for a second.

It got worse.

It got worseer.

It got real worser.

You get out of college and

what happened after college?

Did you get cheated on by another?

I did.

Absolutely.

Of course I did, Alex.

So there was this guy.

I moved to Nashville right after college, literally during COVID.

So that was like a horrible time to move anywhere.

But I was just dying to get after it.

So

I can't remember if it was, I guess I had a boyfriend during COVID.

That doesn't count.

It was like a long distance thing.

That was just like really stupid to try to date someone long distance during COVID.

I don't know why.

No, it doesn't work.

It doesn't work.

But after that, I dated a guy in Nashville.

And well, actually, we weren't officially dating.

Those are the worst.

And like, know I'm saying this story and everyone's going to think it's about someone, but I'm just going to say that it's not Morgan Wallen.

It's not him.

This is not this story.

This is someone.

That's good for the next story.

Okay, perfect.

But this right now is not about him.

I dated some guy.

He had a whole girlfriend the whole time.

I was with him every single day.

He had a girlfriend.

Degan.

He wasn't just cheating.

The trust issues that are coming out of this episode.

Dude.

And like, I could not believe it.

He was, he was like low-key insane, though.

Like, when I first met him, he called my friends into the bathroom.

I was crying about the feelings he had for me.

Like, there was something

not right up here.

Nope.

Um, and that's who sleep on my side is about.

So, I have a song called, I sleep on my side, and you sleep with everyone.

That's about him.

Suit your voice person.

It's insane.

It's like, what?

What?

But, yeah, so.

I, and we weren't officially dating because I wouldn't date him because I had the feeling that I, you know, got, he had a girlfriend the entire time.

I get a hay girl DM.

Nope.

Yeah.

No.

Hey girl.

Not a day girl.

And she's like, I think you're talking to my boyfriend.

And I was like, your boyfriend?

And then I can, like, once I cut things off with him, I immediately cut things off.

Cause I was like, that is insane.

I'm with you every single day.

And you have a girlfriend, like a whole girlfriend, not even just, and they've been dating for like years.

I, I can't, I, men.

So did you confront him?

Like, did, oh, of course.

Yeah, I was like, literally never speak to me again.

I know we're not break.

I know we're not together, but we're breaking up.

So

this man sends me flowers.

No.

The girl is trying to get information out of me.

Like, I think you're being crazy.

Like, he's not actually with you.

And I'm like, girl, I'm telling you, girl to girl.

He sent me flowers.

She was like, no, he didn't.

He would not do that.

He just said he didn't send you flowers.

And I was like.

And this guy, like, I took, he met my family, not on purpose, but just because there was a wedding during New Year's and I needed a date.

He wasn't on purpose, but like, he like accidentally met my whole family.

So it like wasn't just casual and he had a whole girlfriend.

But the problem is, and I think this is a learning lesson for all of us, is the girl that's like, no, I think you're being crazy, blah, blah, blah.

She's in her hair in the shower phase where she believes.

She's like, he must be telling me the truth.

She's a liar.

Like, she clearly probably figured out one day.

I felt bad.

And I literally was like, genuinely, run.

That's right.

Because if he can be that scary to you, clearly he's manipulating you really badly.

He's trying to lie to me too, but I've already been manipulated by showerman, my first boyfriend, the junior year guy.

I'm like, girl, they're veteran.

I'm like, girl, I'm watching out for you.

You need to run.

I think since I like see her on my For You page sometime, I think since then she has moved on.

Oh, I thought you were gonna say they're married.

I'm like, it's a classic.

It's a good.

Damn.

Okay.

But yeah, that was a situation.

And that was another thing where, like, looking back, I was like, he cried to my friends about liking me so much.

I think screws were loose.

Some sort of manipulation thing.

I'm not sure what's going on there, but

that's when you know, like, if it's too early on and he's like sobbing, you're like, first of all, why are you crying?

Like, it's not that deep.

We haven't even said we loved each other.

And we're also not even dating yet.

So let's reel in the emotions.

What, what is this act?

And my friends were confused because they were like, that's really sweet.

But we're, what's going on?

Right.

And then clearly it's all a facade to like get you more attached and like get you more into it.

And then meanwhile, he has a full ass fucking family at home and you're like, damn.

That was insane.

Okay, so Megan.

Hey.

Did you date Morgan Wallen?

Never exclusively.

And goodbye.

Okay.

Oh my God.

Thank you so much.

It's been so much fun.

And goodbye, everyone.

Let's go talk off camera.

Okay, interesting.

Not exclusively.

So you, I think it's obvious.

And that's why, like, I do appreciate you being honest because I feel like everyone kind of knows.

And I have so tried to avoid that in every single interview I've ever done.

But you're here.

But we're here now.

And it's time has passed.

And all is well.

So.

Okay.

Is your song Tennessee Orange about him?

I will not say what songs are about ever.

Because just did.

You click.

Okay.

Oh, maybe.

That's true.

Yeah.

We'll never name.

See.

Okay, fair.

Fair, fair, fair, fair.

Okay, you won't won't confirm.

Do you think he has any songs about you?

I have no idea.

Lies, lies, lies.

Okay.

Why did the relationship end?

Okay, so it was never a relationship.

Okay.

I will, here's what I'll tell you, though, because I haven't told anyone this ever.

Here we go.

So him and I met in 2020.

Okay.

John Langston actually introduced us.

And I, so I was a senior in college.

COVID hadn't happened yet.

His dangerous album wasn't even out yet.

So we were friends for a long time so we've it's what 2024 that was 2020 yep so we're friends for a long time okay we were not just friends and now we're friends

i love that answer okay so you guys had like a little thing

a little thing but you weren't officially dating yeah no never officially dating but as we talked about megan those can be the worst yeah i will say if anyone's like overly sensitive and will get their heart broken and like yeah it's it's it's me.

How did you keep something like that, that private?

Um, it's not that hard.

He's I feel like he's a very private person.

You think?

Yeah.

So you kind of just like maneuvered around.

Well,

yeah.

It was not like,

like I said, we weren't exclusively dating ever.

Okay.

And I think both of our schedules, like we have insane, like, when we try to hang out, it's like, okay, we have this one day of the whole month where we're both maybe in town right and then someone's got something going on it's like that sort of thing um but him and i are friends so i think that's great obviously you know i had to ask i like i don't want to make you uncomfortable

and honestly i just because he's such a private person like i it just feels like awkward talking about it i i think that you gave me exactly what we needed to know we can move on okay are you single or are you even in a relationship right now i'm so single how is single life i love it i sleep so good oh like

no, nobody's son is stressing me out.

Like, I'm in REM sleep every night.

You know what I mean?

Love.

And I feel like all of my free time is being spent with my girlfriends.

Okay.

And I can just really like enjoy being in the moment.

I feel like, like I said, I'm very sensitive.

So when I do date someone, like if we're having problems or whatever it may be, like it really does affect me.

Like I'm the someone where like you can, my mood immediately is affected.

So that's why like a song like I have a song song called hell of a show

and it was like really hard because i would literally cry on cry before i went on stage i would perform and then i would go cry myself to sleep and it's like that was very difficult for me so it's i'm way happier single for now at least i feel like

everything is so new still.

So I'm enjoying not having to worry about that part of things.

I feel like that was something that I appreciated when Taylor Swift released the song, I can do it with a broken heart, that like all of the fans for the first time were like, oh, I didn't even think about that.

Like these musicians can go on stage and like give so much of themselves and be just like so,

just like happy and performative.

And like, because you know, people are there to see you and you don't want to like bring your emotions into it.

But it was so helpful to be like, yeah, no, you guys are also human beings.

Like when you are on stage and you've been crying like up until you literally get shoved out there, are those explain those type of shows to me?

Well, it's one of those things where in my song, hell of a show, I say, keep it together.

I can keep it together for the room full of people here who love me better.

And it's like, for those 90 minutes or however long I'm on stage, I am like genuinely happy.

And to see like little girls, their light eyes light up and they have, I love the girl in the mirror shirts on.

It's like, it almost makes me crying over a guy.

It's like, I can't believe that I'm letting him take away from this moment.

So I feel like it's tough because like those moments right before you go on stage, you're literally like, holy shit, I was just crying.

Yes.

And like, I want to die right now.

But there's like people that are chanting my name and I got to put it on.

But like while it's happening, it's like, I'm just grateful anytime I can be on stage because I feel the love for my fans.

And it's almost like a reminder of like, someone one day is going to appreciate me and isn't going to treat me like shit.

And will make these moments, like they will be here for these moments and not ruin them.

I love that.

And I think you're so right.

It's like being in front of all of your fans must be just like a euphoric feeling.

And it kind of puts things in perspective of like,

you are so talented.

You're so incredible.

You're so smart.

Like you're funny.

Like even sitting with you now, I'm like, oh, I feel like we're friends.

Like you're a great time.

Like.

the right person will come and those type of moments as hard as they are right before it's like it puts in perspective like you're gonna be fine right have you figured out like if i was to put all of your exes in a lineup like do you have a type personality wise looks wise like what are we working with um personality wise i love when someone can match my humor yep i i realized with my last boyfriend that humor is very important to me

you're like i was falling asleep at dinner alex let's put it that way um and yeah i just

i love humor that'll get me that'll get me real quick like What happened with some of my exes is that like I would be so mad at them and they would know that humor is my weakness.

So all they had to do was make me laugh.

laugh and then I'm like

we're so back

I think humor's number one I also realized like I want a guy I realized that ego like I'm older now too and yeah my last relationship like real relationship I would say was like one of my first real adult relationships

and I don't I can't deal with any sort of ego stuff

I felt like I wasn't being like supported

So that was like a thing like he didn't want to listen to my music

I'm sorry I didn't know about his job

Wait, hold on

through therapy I'm realizing that that's an ego thing and I'm like oh we can't do that.

Hold on first of all even you just like

you on TikTok and your acoustics like I was literally talking to all the girls and every girl was like okay like I just like wish she would sing for like two seconds so I can hear her voice.

She's you just did it earlier and And I'm like, you have an insane voice.

The perks of dating a fucking musician is being like, babe, sing for me.

And you get to be like serenading.

And he didn't want to hear your fucking perfect voice.

Well, there was like a time where,

yeah, I mean, I don't want to get too into it, but what sucks about therapy is that, like, when you get into therapy, you realize that the problems are deeper than you.

And it's like, then you just feel bad.

So that's kind of, yeah.

Back to my type, though.

I I think I need funny.

I easily get blinded by abs

and height.

I've done a lot of dumb shit for like six, five.

I love that.

I've seen on TikTok, it's like you rank what's most important.

You like, some girls are super into like the arms or the back or the eyes, the teeth.

You're like, abs.

Oh my god, I'm gonna fold.

I'm gonna fold.

You're literally in the fight.

He cheated.

He just like takes off his shirt.

You're like, we're back.

So, yeah, height too.

But like, I, I really, I think as far as like, I'm not looking for a relationship, but if I was to be looking for someone, I think they would have to be funny, supportive.

Um,

and I think those are like the main two.

Well, I think that something that I can immediately tell because you're so successful and you're this like young, gorgeous woman is like, I can imagine you're going to need to find a man that's so secure within himself because to have someone across from you.

And I've had it where like you're a successful woman, that already is intimidating to people even if they're not dating you like people are going to like talk shit about you they're gonna find a reason not to like you because like people get jealous or they're intimidated whatever the angle is and so for a man to not be able to be like that's my fucking girl and like yeah proud of you and instead like trying to make you feel insecure and like push you down and like make you not feel like you're like thriving that can get so fucking toxic and can really impact you well that's how i felt anytime i would be like proud of myself it was like he felt like he needed to humble me and like yeah.

And dude.

And like even, so I got nominated for some ACM awards.

And you did.

I texted him.

This was when we were like broken up, but still trying to make things work.

Cause like I said, I will be a dead horse till it's there till the end.

Especially dead.

And

he was like, oh my God, that's so great.

Congrats.

And it's like, oh my God, have a crazy day at work.

Like just immediately, it immediately, yeah.

Not like, oh my God, babe, let me take you out for dinner.

We're going to toast.

This is so fun.

Like, let's celebrate tonight.

And I realize that that is going to be important to me.

But I also, then with fucking therapy, it's like, I do understand that it would be hard to date me.

My personal life revolves around my work life, which is not for everyone.

And I totally understand that.

Like, every.

Anytime I get to hang out with you one-on-one because we're chilling is because my career is not in the way, which is almost never.

So

I feel like that's why dating right now is just like really hard because I don't want to let up on my career.

I feel like I'm all in in it right now and I'm so much enjoying it.

And I told my therapist, I was like, am I being crazy?

And she was like, you're 26.

Why would you not be all in in your career?

Dude, I was also going to say, like, I remember feeling like I

was never going to find a guy that could like.

handle what I was doing.

And I was the same way.

I'm like, I'm literally not stopping.

Like, I have so much I want to fucking do.

I'm so motivated and I want to push myself.

And then I promise you, it's once you just like get in that mindset, the right person will come along that, like, you're so good in what you're doing, and you're so not willing to waver and like have a couple months where you get swept off your feet and you're not focused.

That person will come in because no one else will be able to get in at one point because you're so locked in yourself.

And that's when you're going to find someone that you're like, oh, fuck, like, there he is, cheering me on.

And then he will probably have his own shit.

I think it's important for people.

And it doesn't mean career.

Like, whatever fulfills someone, you have to have your own shit to feel confident in yourself, to actually look at someone like you and be like, I am only happy for you.

There's no jealousy.

There's no like ego issue where I'm feeling like I have to like trump you.

And that is when you're like, God bless.

Hold on.

Therapy.

When did you get into therapy?

I think about a year ago.

Yeah.

And I actually got into therapy because my producer, my producer is Christian Bush.

He's half of Sugarland, you know?

So.

And he was someone that was like, you need to get a therapist.

He kept saying that to me.

I think I would come in with like crazy ass stories and he'd be like, you need a therapist.

Great song, but let's all like we're so happy.

We love this song.

You need therapy.

And he kept saying it and I kept not doing it.

And so he contacted my manager and was like, they booked the appointment for me.

So I basically forced me to go.

And I think that's the only way I was going to go though.

Interesting.

And I really got into it as like maintenance because.

Like I said, I lived like 22, 23 very normal years of my life.

And to suddenly be, you know, shot up into the spotlight.

It, that's why I needed therapy because I'm like, I didn't know how to handle, it's just like having everyone talk about you is like the most terrifying or was the most terrifying thing ever.

Um, and yeah, I mean, like all of the Tennessee Orange interviews were like my first interviews as an artist.

So I was like scarred.

That's, I haven't done like a proper podcast

since like my career took off because of that.

Because I was so terrified of interviews because I was like that's all they wanted to talk about and i get it of course of course but i was like terrified i think though and i appreciate you bring that up because

when someone when this happens anyone like whatever it is when you get any type of like publicity or notoriety i have a lot of empathy for people because it's like

There is no playbook that someone hands you of like, this is how to deal with it.

And clearly there's no playbook because we've seen so many stars or comedians or musicians or personalities online like either flop or succeed, but everyone has a bumpy road at some point because it's like navigating millions of people watching you.

And like now everyone wants to know like me asking like who you're dating and what you're doing.

Like that's.

odd, but that's also what comes with it.

And so like, I think you're doing an incredible job.

Like I think you seem like you're super grounded, but I agree.

I think like getting into therapy is important for me even.

I remember being like, all these people are talking about me.

And like whether it was people saying something that wasn't true about me or saying something that was true, but like, I wanted to defend myself or I didn't, I didn't know, like, it's endless and you kind of don't know how to handle it.

And you can do it any way you want.

It's just a dance because most of the time, it isn't going to fully portray you as a whole human being.

It's like quick little things people see on the internet.

And I can imagine you're like, I have more to give than Tennessee Orange.

Like, I have so, but that's all that people cared about in the moment.

It probably felt like to you.

But it's like, you're growing and you're changing and you're learning and like you've gotten fucking incredible music.

So

yeah, like since then it's been better, but it was definitely like therapy was, I just think necessary too, because I want to stay grounded.

I want to like have check-ins and be like, we need to remain sane and mentally healthy.

That's also though, I think, how people last in this industry.

Like I have so many people that come into this house and

I have had a lot of people that I'm like, oh, I'm shocked.

You're quite rude.

And like, I didn't expect that.

Or I'm like, holy shit, you are one of the biggest stars and you're the most lovely person.

Like, it goes a long way to keep yourself in check and be like, not an egomaniac.

And like, how do your parents and your family feel about all of your success?

They just, I mean, freak out.

I played a show in St.

Augustine that was like, at the time, my biggest headlining show.

And after the show, their jaws are just on the floor.

My dad's like crying through the whole thing.

They're just like, when did this happen?

Like,

and

they're just like like their neighbor neighbors will come up to them like where they live in savannah and like they're like my mom's like oh yeah that's our daughter like just telling my whole life story i'm like oh god maybe we should do some mom pr training mom shut up mom yeah

but they're definitely like not used to it which I feel like I'm still getting used to it too, but they're especially

like, what the heck?

Even like on this, like my mom's like, tell Alex I said hi.

We need to tell her to go selfie after this.

We're going to be like, Hi, mom, we're here.

Um, no, I think it's amazing.

I think you're doing a great job.

I think, obviously, with songwriters, too, like when you are writing about your love life, it's going to open up questions for people, and you are just gonna have to decide like how much you want to share and how much you don't wanna share.

And that's like you're gonna figure it out.

Yeah,

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Okay.

Do you typically make the first move or do you wait for the guy to?

I wait for the guy.

Love.

Okay.

You've never made the first move.

I would say, I have made the first move.

I would say right now, you got to come to me.

You got to be.

I'm way too busy.

I get it.

You're like making it.

I don't have time to like scour.

I get it.

No, I get that.

What is your, what is like an immediate turn off for you?

What's your Snapchat?

Are people still fucking asking you that?

They are.

They are.

And one guy asked me, once I said I don't have a Snapchat, he asked again.

And I was like, babe, I deactivated it when I was 16.

Like, leave me alone.

No, I feel like guys are so shady on Snapchat.

That's like a warning flag on me.

I was like, at what age do we stop?

Do we stop?

Now, now.

26, you stop.

Yeah.

Okay.

What is your best and worst quality in a relationship?

Best quality, I would say I'm very loyal.

Worst, I can't cook.

Like I'm pretty useless.

Okay, Megan, that is like fucking fine.

Like some bitches come on here and are like, oh, God, let me tell you.

You're like, I can't cook.

No, no, no.

There's probably a worse one.

Let me think.

No, it's okay.

If that's it, hype yourself up.

I'm like, yes, bitch.

Order in a steak dinner.

You're fine.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's fine.

I mean, I'm loyal.

I think you, that's maybe a question for my ex-boyfriends.

We call them right now.

What do you, hey, what do you think all your ex-boyfriends would say about you?

Most of my exes, like my proper boyfriends, don't at on good terms.

They get blocked.

My last one actually deleted his entire Instagram.

What?

Why were people finding him?

I'm not sure.

That's none of my business.

Why he didn't.

No.

Why does it end on such bad terms?

I think it's one of those things where we probably should let it go before it gets to that point.

And then it gets to a point where we're just like, yep.

This last time, though, my last relationship, I will say, was like a very mature, like,

once we were on the phone.

And once it was over, I've never talked to him again.

And that's just like is what it is.

Like I, he had done something like over and over that I had asked him to just be more conscious of.

What?

He had a girl best friend.

And okay, I get girl best friends from childhood because you probably hooked up in high school and it was really weird and you're like, we're never going to do that again.

Okay, that's actually fair.

Fair.

This was like.

two year best girl best friend.

No.

And all I asked was if you're going to, if y'all, because I had felt weird, a little weird about it.

Of course.

And I was just like, whenever y'all are together, just like, send me a text, let me know, because something had happened when I was in Australia where I was having to track Kim.

It's like a long thing.

So I took him back after that.

Like I'm saying, I got better.

I never got better.

I'm such a simp, Alex.

I'm a simp.

I love how this is a fool.

And you're like, call my therapist.

Call my therapist.

No, I'm literally lover girl simp.

Like one thing about me, I'll give you 8,000 chances for you to show me that you're not the one.

But anyways, this had to do with the girl best friend.

All I wanted to know, I somehow was like, it's fine because I did believe.

She was a nice girl.

I just was like, can you please just let me know when y'all are together?

Once I found out, once again, he did not let me know that they were together.

And so we were perfectly fine.

Like, we were doing better.

He does that, calls me, and I was like, yeah.

this is like that i can't do this anymore i'm like right because you're becoming crazy it be yeah i become crazy i'm like it happened when it started in australia i was like i'm across the world right now it's a different day and i'm tracking your ass like i don't have time for this like i'm i'm about to go perform perform for 25,000 people at this festival.

And, like, I'm worried about your damn location.

Oh, the South is coming out.

I love how the

accent just goes up when you're like, let me fucking tell you.

Oh, on my location.

I'm obsessed.

Oh, my God.

Megan, no, let me just validate.

Now I'm sweating for you.

I also got chills, though, when you're like 25,000 people and I'm fucking tracking your ass.

Like, it puts it in perspective.

Like, these boys, these boys, I'm literally just a girl.

No,

dude, that is fucked.

And let me tell you what makes me mad:

many things.

What the fuck is wrong with you just being so chill and open, being like, just let me know when you're hanging out?

Right.

That's all you asked.

You didn't say you, you're not being controlling.

Like, you are not allowed to hang out.

After the sixth time, I would then be like, I don't feel comfortable anymore.

But you're being so chill and open, and he can't do you the decency.

So then naturally, any fucking human being, if you tell someone to just tell you when they're doing it and they don't, you're being shady.

Right.

So what's happening when you're hanging out that you don't want me to know?

And like, it may have never been shady, but it's like, if you don't have the decency, I've just asked you to do a very simple thing for me.

And like, it would make, and like, because you already broke my trust with the Australia thing, if we could build this back.

You could build it back by letting me know, but because you, like, and I feel like with therapy, how I've grown in that way, obviously I gave him a million chances, but once it was over, I was like, okay, you don't care about me or my feelings.

And like, if I'm going to date someone right now, you got to be spectacular because I'm so busy and this just isn't working.

So it honestly ended amicably.

Yeah.

I don't know why you deleted his Instagram.

I was insane.

I love how you keep flip-flopping.

You're like, no, we're friends.

We're friends.

You're like, none of my exes and I are friends.

You're like, I think I pretend that we're friends, but why did I block him?

He's like,

yeah.

There's a fire over on that side of the country, but it's my favorite.

I'm insane, I guess.

No, it's totally fine.

You know what?

I think it's like you acknowledging all of this.

It's like like you're recognizing patterns and you're seeing it.

Half the people that come in here, sometimes I'm like, wait, you realize that you're like completely aware of what you're doing.

And I think it's awesome that you're now like, and I have a standard now because I'm working my ass off.

Your new album, I just have to say, like, it's so incredible to see you put something out that is like.

So personal.

And also, I feel like everyone, like I said, everyone can relate.

I'm listening to these things.

Like, yes.

Oh my God, this has happened to me before.

I appreciate it.

What is the inspiration?

like when you sat down to even start conceptualizing this album what was the inspiration literally my personal life like every single one of these songs is inspired by my real life so it was like um i write songs when i feel like i need to like when i feel like It's literally therapy for me.

I don't know.

Like music, writing songs has saved my life over and over.

Like, I, because I don't know what I would do with like those emotions.

It's like, once I can write it down, then it's just a song.

It's like, it's almost like it didn't even happen to me.

You know what I mean?

And I don't know if that's even a healthy way to look at it.

No, but I think it is.

It's like you pour it all out and then you're like, and then it's like, okay, well, it can be done.

And now that can be used to like heal people.

And that is what it's my story, but now it can also be other people's story.

And I think, but yeah, for this album, it's literally about my life.

Same as all of my songs.

I literally shout out to everyone who inspired the album.

I love you so, so much.

We also love you so, so much because it's fucking fire okay the daddy gang is insane and i feel like a lot of times i'll ask people like either what is your favorite song or what is for you the most meaningful song and i know that's hard but then they're gonna go stream it so what is the most in your opinion like a meaningful song to you on this album meaningful i would say heaven by noon

yeah can you like

Tell us a little bit about that writing process.

Yeah, so Heaven by Noon is a song about loss and grief and it's like the feeling of

you're happy that they're not in pain anymore, but you're you selfishly wish that they were still with us and that song was inspired by my uncle who got killed on 9-11.

He worked at the World Trade Center and he worked on the 101st floor and

that

That song was kind of written with my aunt in mind.

And

I just can't imagine, you know,

having that happen to you.

And it happened to a family member.

And I know that music is very healing.

So I'm happy that I wrote that song and I'm happy that it's out in the world.

And I know I was only four years old when that happened, but the way it's affected my family, like forever and will always affect my family.

I just had never written a song about loss.

And I think that it was important to write.

And

yeah, we all miss my Uncle Dennis.

So, I mean, that's so beautiful.

I just got chills because I'm thinking about like

everyone has that thing in their life and that person that they've lost.

And I feel like to have a song that you can turn on when you're like missing that person or you're like, right, sometimes like you want a good cry, you know what I mean?

And to be able to turn this on and be like thinking of that person, and it's, and I think that's what's so beautiful about songwriting and like what you're doing is like everyone's gonna find their own angle in, but everyone's going to find an angle in because like that is a, that is life.

That is loss is life.

You know what I mean?

It's like everyone goes through it and everyone has their own experience with it, but like that is so powerful that you're someone that's now putting out a piece of work that like people in a beautiful way are going to cry to and slowly heal from.

I think that's like incredible.

It's amazing.

It's literally amazing.

I think like we wrote it in a very general way.

Like obviously you would never know that that's what the song is about, but that's why I wanted, I just feel like in all aspects of my life, I turned to music and that's not something I'd written about yet.

So we decided to for this album.

I feel like you just did such an incredible job.

And I feel like I'm happy I got to meet you because obviously seeing you online and your songs, it like I, we see so much of you, but this, I fucking love you.

I'm like, I love you.

This was so much fun.

Like college, Megan, would have a stroke.

Dude, literally, like, I, but that's so cool to like know that in college, you were like living a normal life and your whole life changed, and now we're sitting here.

Like, I feel like people at home, this is like the story people fucking love.

It's like literally anyone watching this right now, your life could change overnight.

And I think that's why, like, going after what you love and doing what you love, like, don't let anyone fucking make you feel small, especially a little fucking dick that's like, I don't care about your fucking awards.

Like, well, you should.

And if you don't, buy, baby.

Exactly.

Little dick energy.

And I know I said this earlier, but like to even in college, I know like Caller Daddy was, uh, I was walking around campus being like, yeah, block him, wearing my unwell hat and just listening to like bizarre stories.

But to see like the brand that you've built, it was like so inspiring.

And

yeah, you're incredible.

Thank you so much.

No, thank you.

I want last question to ask.

That is actually weird though, to think like we were kind of at that same point when you're, we're all like saying block him and now growing together, like hearing you're in therapy, being like, okay, I need to change things up.

Like that's what has also been so fun about this show is like growing with the audience and being like, for sure, we can be toxic as fuck.

And there is no one better at literally.

And I personally think you have to be toxic in order to heal.

Because if you're just healed, like

what?

Boring.

There's a time and place to be healed.

Trust me.

The toxic will always like lightly be there, but it's not toxic.

It's more just like a little bit of the crazy.

And if you are being toxic, you're aware.

Sometimes, shout out to Karen.

Sometimes Matt literally looks at me and he's like, Alex, you're being like old you.

Stop it.

I'm like, oh, sorry.

I just wanted to feel something for a minute.

Like sometimes the crazy comes out, but it's controlled crazy.

Agreed.

Because of therapy.

Okay, last question.

For anyone who is getting to know you today and is becoming a bigger fan, what do you hope they take away from this interview and learn about you?

I mean, I hope it draws them to my music.

I think that on my album, it feels just like living.

I say it's like living as a 20-something year old, but it's also, I feel like anyone could find something that they want or like.

And it's just about life.

And so I feel like if you're a fan of mine, hopefully you get to know me better.

I feel like it's hard.

I try to let people get to know me, you know, on the internet and at my shows, but I feel like this is the first time I've like sat down after everything has happened.

So I feel like this is, yeah, I hope everyone feels like they know me better and maybe they play the song they like.

I feel like I know you better.

I love you even more.

And your personality is fucking amazing.

And you said before we started talking, you were like, I don't know if I like my voice.

You have a fucking amazing voice.

Shut up.

It's so annoying.

I'm not going to even be able to listen to this back.

It's like nails on a chalk.

Trust me, you crushed it.

Thank you so much for coming on.

This was like an honor.

I'm so happy we got to meet and hang out.

I love you.

I love you.

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