I Called Off My Engagement (ft. Lauren)

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Speaker 2 It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

Speaker 1 Daddy Gang, welcome back to another episode of Call Her Daddy. Lauren and I are sitting.
We kind of feel like we look

Speaker 1 like the parents from Willie Wonka.

Speaker 1 We are sitting on the couch, but we really wanted to like be comfortable and not have our feet fall asleep on the couch.

Speaker 1 And so we're in a little bit of a relaxed relaxed situation but we're happy i could like doze off right here like i could take like a nap in this position i'm really cozy same okay wait oh so just for context lauren and i are on kind of like a girls weekend in los angeles matt is taking his brother to go golf because um my brother-in-law and my sister-in-law no yeah your brother-in-law and sister-in-law sister-in-law yeah

Speaker 1 but does that make it sound like they're brother brother and sister? No, they're both.

Speaker 2 He's your brother-in-law. She's your sister-in-law.
Okay.

Speaker 1 It is? Yeah. Yeah.
My brother-in-law and sister-in-law are having a baby. And so Matt is taking his brother to go golf and like on a little golf trip before they like have a kid, whatever.

Speaker 1 And so Lauren's in town. And we were like, oh my God, why don't we stay, relax, go have like a nice pool, spa weekend, girls' weekend, and we're going to drink a little bit.
We're going to chill.

Speaker 1 And it's going to be a good time.

Speaker 2 We're going to order these green margaritas that, when it's the two of us, we like to order them for delivery and get a little weird together.

Speaker 1 They're just like those kind of sneaky margaritas that, like, you get really fucked up from them.

Speaker 1 And the last time, or the first time,

Speaker 2 we didn't know how strong they were.

Speaker 1 When I moved to Los Angeles with Lauren, we were staying at Matt's house and he was away on a business trip. And Lauren and I, he was like, You guys should order from this place.

Speaker 1 And we got these margaritas and they're so fucking good. They're these like cucumber green margaritas.
So Lauren and I started downing them

Speaker 1 and we're in the hot tub with floats, which was weird in itself. And we're in the hot tub and we're with our floaties and slowly we're like blasting music.

Speaker 1 Oh, we found out how to do the strobe lights in the pool. Yes.

Speaker 2 And we were DJing and then we like passed out in the living room and like didn't turn the music off, didn't turn the pool strobe lights off. Matt's neighbor called him and gave him a noise complaint.

Speaker 1 And so Matt looks at his security cameras and it looks like we actually threw a rager at his house.

Speaker 2 And he's like calling you, like, you guys aren't like really like official official yet. He's like calling you.
And he's like, like, I just have to say, like, this is so disrespectful.

Speaker 2 Like, I let you guys like use my house and my pool.

Speaker 1 Throw a party. And we were like,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 you see,

Speaker 1 actually.

Speaker 1 There was no party. Well, it was a party, but just two people.
It was just Lauren and I. And he's like, I'm having a hard time believing that, Alex.
Like, look at my backyard.

Speaker 1 It It looks like there was like a fucking brothel back there.

Speaker 2 And I was like, and like the neighbor called and gave me a noise complaint. Like, I've never had that happen since I've lived here.

Speaker 1 And I was like,

Speaker 1 it's just the two of us. And so Lauren and I now always have a joke with Matt where we're like, we're hitting the green marks again.
And he's like, Jesus fucking Christ, the two of you together.

Speaker 1 But to be fair, I feel like whenever it's just the two of us together and we're not like interacting with other people, we have a pretty like straight and narrow path that we always go on.

Speaker 1 What's our straight and narrow path? We love either alcohol or marijuana to like have a little fun together. Not in that way.
It sounds weird, but you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like we like our little like thing, but then we're like usually passing out pretty early. And like

Speaker 2 we're not night people. No.
We thrive in the daytime and we love like a 10 p.m. bedtime.

Speaker 1 And I feel like the older I'm getting, I'm like, I can have these like fun rager moments, which I feel like I've been having lately, but it has to be spread out.

Speaker 1 And a lot of times, like, I'm going to go to bed at least by midnight.

Speaker 2 I'm not the type of person just to like stay up for the hell of it. Like, if.

Speaker 2 If there's something worthwhile staying up for. Like Miami, we had late nights.

Speaker 1 And it was so fun. Yeah.
Like after we would be at the party or we would go to the strip club. We need to talk about the strip club.
I just thought about that. I was staring at your face.

Speaker 1 We would go out, but then we would always come back to me and Matt's room and we would all sit there and like have like a nightcap and talk and schmooze and do the thing. That was enjoyable to me.

Speaker 1 But if it's me and Matt or it's just me and you, and there's no part, I don't need to ruin my tomorrow.

Speaker 2 Like, we're gonna get

Speaker 2 the hay.

Speaker 1 We can still drink a bottle of wine and go to bed and wake up the next day. Yep.
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Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we throw our Unwell Miami weekend and it was truly so fun. And Lauren comes and we end up after a night at the Unwell Club.

Speaker 1 We do a late, late night and we go to 11 in Miami, which is a club slash strip club.

Speaker 1 So we get to the club and we are, we get a table we are all standing there and i remember i'm like talking to matt and he's whispering my ear and then all of a sudden i look and lauren is standing with this tall man

Speaker 1 and at our table and i know who this man is because he's a reality star and he's been to a couple of our events before but i know my best friend is barely has social media and doesn't watch reality tv and she has no idea who this person is no idea you just think he's like a hot guy yeah and then the next morning I asked Lauren, like, wait, what happened?

Speaker 1 No, we get in the van to leave because we end up leaving because we were like, it was too crowded and like none of the strippers could even come to our table, which was like, I was ready for like a lap dance to throw some bands.

Speaker 1 Yes, I want, I brought fucking a bunch of cash. I was like, ready to fucking pay the strippers.
And then they never ended up being able to get to our table.

Speaker 1 So we were like, oh, this isn't even as much as fun. We leave.
We get into the van and tell the daddy gang what happened with your night.

Speaker 2 So I hadn't, before

Speaker 2 we ended up at 11, I had maybe shared five words with this guy like quite literally five words and when we're standing at the table it's like really crowded so like we're just like touching because it's so crowded and

Speaker 2 at this point we've maybe hit a higher word count of like

Speaker 2 we've shared a few sentences okay like not much has been happening yeah and maybe sentence number five is he looks at me and holds out all of his money and goes, Do you want to go to the back room right now and get a private lap dance, the two of us?

Speaker 2 And like,

Speaker 2 it's like 2:30 in the morning, and like, I'm like kind of drunk, but I'm not like hammered.

Speaker 1 You don't even have, I think, at that point, because we had left the club and hung out for a minute before we went to the business.

Speaker 2 And then it was kind of a mission to get into 11. Yeah, like, I kind of like sobered up a little bit in the process of like getting into 11.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so like we, none of us had a buzz.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 We were sober at 11. Yes.
Which was fine. Fine.

Speaker 1 But to get a sober lap dance with a man that you've barely. And like, I've been around the block

Speaker 2 a few times. No, well, I've been to, this is like my third time at like 11.
So like

Speaker 2 I know what goes down in the private rooms in the back. Yes.
It would not just be us getting a lap dance. It would be us having a threesome with a stripper.
And I was like, you know,

Speaker 2 at this current intoxication level, I don't really have it in me to go from just like not having a vibe to having a threesome with a stripper.

Speaker 1 But you were just like, I'm literally like fresh, sober.

Speaker 2 Basically, I'm like sober and like, there's not like

Speaker 2 sexual tension.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like, we've had like.

Speaker 2 We're like

Speaker 1 cracking the small talk. Yo, we're trying to like gauge

Speaker 2 what's your name? What's your occupation?

Speaker 1 Who are you? Exactly.

Speaker 1 I remember in real time when this was happening, I turn and I clearly hit you right in that middle of that conversation because all I remember hearing you say is, uh, let me have one more drink and think about it.

Speaker 1 That was literally your response. And I'm looking at you and I'm looking up at him being like, what did he just ask her for Lauren to be like, let me have one more drink and think about it?

Speaker 1 Cause you're a down ass bitch. So I was like, what is Lauren postponing in order to like liquor herself up? And then I find out that he basically asked you to go into the private room.

Speaker 1 And then we left and he stayed but for now um Lauren's still on the hunt I'm just out there living my life but I feel like you're in a really good headspace of like

Speaker 1 you are

Speaker 1 really really in a good way single now because like how long has it been since your breakup like five months now okay wow wow

Speaker 2 something I was saying that I was really proud of myself I was telling you this this morning I went no contact after my breakup, which is like, anyone I meet who's going through a breakup breakup and they're like, what's your best piece of advice?

Speaker 2 Truly, like, go no contact. Like,

Speaker 2 you have to, like, I have no better advice than go, no contact. And like, you have to stick by it.
I have not talked to my ex once in any capacity since October since we broke up.

Speaker 1 And it was like, I remember I had said to you, I was nervous for you because.

Speaker 1 You guys obviously live together. So once the breakup happened, you had to like figure out like all the little things.
There were just statistics to sort out.

Speaker 1 But then once that happened, and the last day that you guys saw each other, of like you got to take things from the apartment and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 So they said, like a final, like very nice, like goodbye.

Speaker 1 Goodbye. I was so proud of you because I was so scared of

Speaker 1 that. Like, you guys also shared each other's locations and stuff.
And I was like, is she gonna? Is she gonna?

Speaker 1 And then I remember I talked to you like a week after, and you were like, unshared location, haven't talked, it's over.

Speaker 1 And the fact that it's gone, no contact for five months, I feel like it's really allowed you to focus on yourself and not

Speaker 1 feel like you're lightly getting pulled back into it.

Speaker 1 Even if you had any questions that you've been kind of like going through in reflecting on the relationship, I feel like you've been just taking full accountability of like, I don't need to ask him.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do the work in therapy about like, why did I put up with this? Or why did I do this? Or why did I act this way? Like whatever it is, you're finding the answers within yourself.

Speaker 1 And I think a lot of times, daddy gang, we can use questions we have and think, well, it's just closure.

Speaker 1 I just want to have one more conversation because I want to kind of like figure out why we both did this. And it's like, that's just prolonging you being able to move on.
I agree. Right.

Speaker 1 So talk to me now, though, about like five months out of a breakup. What have you realized about

Speaker 1 yourself?

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 I don't think the daddy gang knows how close.

Speaker 2 How like serious it was

Speaker 2 about my relationship?

Speaker 1 Because I think in a beautiful way, I found my boundary of like privacy that I feel like I needed to instill in with this show and with the internet. And I'm so happy I did that.

Speaker 1 And I feel like you with Call Her Daddy in a completely understandable way, like he was a private person, and you and I aren't that private of people. Like, we don't really care.

Speaker 1 So, but the people we've are with and you were with wanted privacy. And so, like, you were respecting that.
So, you didn't really talk about your relationship a lot.

Speaker 1 So, I think a lot of people online, I even saw still to this day, are like, wait, Lauren broke up with the boyfriend. And, like, so she's single.
And like, what's happening?

Speaker 1 Like, do you mind explaining how close

Speaker 1 you were to like this being the person you were about to spend the rest of your life with?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was really serious.

Speaker 2 We dated for almost three years.

Speaker 2 For the last six months of our relationship, we were living together. And it got to the point where he had a full plan to propose.
He

Speaker 2 talked to my mom and her fiancé, like and had like a dinner with them and told them he was going to propose.

Speaker 1 He talked to me and Matt. He talked to Kristen.
Kristen's our other best friend from childhood. Like at our wedding, me and Matt's wedding, he went to Kristen and was like, oh my gosh, I obviously.

Speaker 1 like can't i don't want to bring it up to alex and matt right now because they're literally getting married but i want to propose to lauren um during the like holiday new year time and can you just like make sure you put us all on chat?

Speaker 1 Because I want to make sure that they can be there. Cause they want, he wanted us to like surprise you, like how you guys did for me.

Speaker 2 Him and I came to your engagement.

Speaker 1 So it was like very concrete.

Speaker 2 Oh, like there was a date. You knew a date when he was going to, like, you knew the date he was going to propose.

Speaker 1 And you guys had talked about the ring, right?

Speaker 2 We were going to like do something with like a family like diamond. And

Speaker 2 you knew like where it was going to be. Like it was, it was planned.
Yes.

Speaker 1 That was happening. And I think

Speaker 1 as your friend, I remember when I heard that,

Speaker 1 I was so torn. Torn.
Yeah, that's a good word. Cause I was like, fuck,

Speaker 1 that could one day make sense. But from the stuff that I had heard from you,

Speaker 1 I wasn't sure you guys were like ready for that, but I'm not in your relationship, obviously. So I was like, I need to just like catch up with Lauren.
And obviously, I didn't want to tell you

Speaker 1 he's going to propose to you.

Speaker 1 Can I say? Yes. So like you ended up did like,

Speaker 2 we had one of those dinners where you're like, you were just like,

Speaker 2 I can tell that like you're holding a lot in right now. Like, can you like just let it all out? Zero judgment.
Zero judgment. You can tell me.
everything.

Speaker 2 And if you want to stay, you can still stay. But like, I can feel you're not telling me everything and you're just holding a lot in.
Like, let it out.

Speaker 2 So we had one of those three hour dinners where I was just like,

Speaker 1 we're vomiting everything,

Speaker 1 everything.

Speaker 2 And then after I told you that, you were like,

Speaker 2 I am really feeling conflicted right now because, like, if it does work out, like, I obviously don't want to like ruin your engagement, but like, I don't know if you know how close it is to actually happening.

Speaker 2 And I want you to be able to have the tools to feel in control of your life and not have it to sneak up on you.

Speaker 2 And you have, and you feel like you're kind of backed into a corner and saying yes because you're like, ah, shit, like how like, what we're here. Oh, okay, let's go through it.

Speaker 2 So like you, you ended up telling me he's going to propose on this day to kind of be like, you kind of do have a window of like, yeah, you got to figure some things out.

Speaker 1 Cause I was like, Lauren, that was like one of the harder things I think I've. I was going back and forth with.

Speaker 1 And I think, again, in the best way, I feel like our relationship is so beautiful because I feel like we both talk about, we have so many friends that you communicate with friends differently, but you and I have always had this thing where it's like

Speaker 1 we're so honest with each other.

Speaker 1 And I think we both have found our way to be, even when it's hard, what we're going to talk about, we are so like graceful in the way that we approach things with each other and respectful.

Speaker 2 We very, very much have, I feel like a policy of like, it is your life and I don't know your life. And like, it's your life.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And then also, as your best friend yeah I have to share this about the things I'm seeing and then I'm what once that that's out I'm here to game plan everything that you need and I'll support you yes whatever yeah and I think that was like a thing that I would give daddy gang is like I forgot that I remember multiple times in that conversation because I had literally talked about it with my therapist and she had said like you have to continue to reassure Lauren I'm so happy you told me Okay, that makes me feel good.

Speaker 1 No, but

Speaker 1 you were great in the moment. And I think I stand by it too.

Speaker 1 But again, Daddy Gang, if you are in this position where you're seeing your friend not in the best relationship and you're like, how do I do it?

Speaker 1 You have to come from the place of like, you have to remind them that you're not judging them, that you will be there no matter what, and you're there to listen.

Speaker 1 And, but you also have like some information that you want to give them, but you're not putting it on them to like now deal with alone.

Speaker 1 And I feel like when I told you it was going to happen over New Year's,

Speaker 1 you were like,

Speaker 1 whoa, okay. And we were

Speaker 2 for context, like this past new year.

Speaker 1 Yes, this past new year's Lauren was going to get engaged. And I think you were so

Speaker 1 like, whoa, this is another big red flag of like, how does he think that can even happen when all of these problems are happening?

Speaker 1 And I think that was kind of when it all started to unravel a little bit more for you because you really were just seeing like, huh.

Speaker 2 It was kind of like a, at like a, like a, like a,

Speaker 2 date that was like being put on like, oh, I have to like figure this out. Like it put like this like rush and urgency to like figure my shit out.
Like, it's like before I was like, I'll

Speaker 2 keep working on it, keep figuring it out. I was like, oh shit, like, I have to like figure this out now.

Speaker 1 And so, once you guys ended the relationship, what do you feel like you

Speaker 1 in now being single? Like, what do you feel like you've now realized like you really

Speaker 1 want and need in a partner moving forward?

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Speaker 1 In now being single, like what do you feel like you've now realized like you really

Speaker 1 want and need in a partner moving forward?

Speaker 2 I want to feel like

Speaker 2 they got me and that like I can have like a bad day or go through something difficult and like

Speaker 2 they'll pick me up and like kind of like

Speaker 2 help me get through it and like carry me through it.

Speaker 2 But like when I was talking to my therapist about it, she was like, oh like, do you feel like that's something lacking in your life right now like do you feel like unsupported and

Speaker 2 unable to like get yourself through hard moments and i was like literally the opposite like i feel

Speaker 2 like i have very deep fulfilling friendships i can lean on if i need to i end my days and i

Speaker 2 feel

Speaker 2 strong and confident and like secure in what I need to work through and get through and like that I can handle it and I'm not like overwhelmed and like I'm not lonely

Speaker 2 which i think

Speaker 2 i'm really happy that something that i want isn't like a need i'm trying to fill like it's not like a deficit in my life that like i'm trying to like find a person to fulfill it's just like

Speaker 1 i just like want like partnership you said that to me the other day when we were in the car and i thought it was so profound and i

Speaker 1 want to keep talking about this a little bit for the daddying because you were like every time my therapist was challenging me like oh are you wanting that because of x like i feel like you've gotten so good

Speaker 1 being alone and i feel like you've always been a relationship girl so i'm so proud of you right now like i've never really really really seen you just like single lauren like for this

Speaker 1 long in a strong way where you're like

Speaker 1 I'm a little like, ooh, she'll, I wonder what she's going to do. You're like, you've never been, I feel like happier and you don't have a partner.

Speaker 1 I'm just joking.

Speaker 2 I was like, I've never been happier and I've never been hotter.

Speaker 1 No, literally.

Speaker 1 No, it's so true. You've never been happier.
You've never been hotter. You just turned 30.
You're thriving.

Speaker 1 And I feel like something that it's obvious is like for the daddy gang, like we have both been at points in our life where we're both single and we aren't that good at being alone.

Speaker 1 And so we're like chasing after something.

Speaker 1 um like

Speaker 1 tell me if I'm if you're okay with me saying this but I think something that you had talked to me about that was like I think very relatable was like this was the first relationship that you were like I actually felt like

Speaker 1 I was like this person like genuinely loved me and like I was genuinely in love so it's hard to walk away from that was like I've I had a relationship before, but it was like coming, it was like a college relationship that became post-college.

Speaker 2 And like, that was the first time I was like, I was deeply in love like I was in love with this person yes and I remember it was so sad because I remember you saying to me Lauren you were like I just like

Speaker 1 I feel like I've just like lost so many people in my life that like I love so like I don't want to what do you I would I'm I my innate feeling is to hold on to this person because how am I gonna just like oh I was yeah I was so like this is it like I've never been, I had never been in love before and I had never felt that.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, like this is it like this is the feeling that like you fight for and like you go to like the end of like the earth for and like I know that's not the case well now you know once you really have that like first like adult relationship of love I'm not talking about like we've all been in love hopefully before but when you're talking about like love love of like oh I could see a future with this person then you really start to realize which I think

Speaker 1 I'm so happy I feel like we were able to have a lot of conversations with like me you and Matt because I've learned so much being in my first year of marriage that I felt like you started to kind of like ask Matt and I questions throughout this morning.

Speaker 2 Matt has a lot of good experiences and advice.

Speaker 1 He does. And I feel like his advice a lot was like,

Speaker 1 you, there's so much more to a marriage than love. Yeah.
Like, if anything, that's like the easiest part.

Speaker 2 Yes. I like, I was talking about that in therapy too.
Of like,

Speaker 2 I think I like thought that like love was so hard to like come by and it was so rare.

Speaker 2 But like what is more rare is having that love and then like the compatibility aspect of like yes just like what you want and need out of life is also gonna match up because like yes

Speaker 1 that's the hard part morals values compatibility um what you want as a family what like literally

Speaker 1 career money yeah socioeconomic uh where you're gonna live yeah how you interact with your in-laws um what you want to how you want to raise your kids like where you want them to go to school all of that is like shit that i think

Speaker 1 people don't talk about it maybe enough where it's like you have to have these fucking conversations i genuinely believe before you get married and before you get engaged and i think a lot of times it's like people are feeling in love and then they're excited and they're moving in and then you think once you get married then like you become you like start to do all this it's like no no no daddy ying, you need to figure it out before because I think, again, you watched it with yourself.

Speaker 1 It's like you were in love, that was down.

Speaker 1 But then

Speaker 1 I think you've, and you have a lot of friends around you who are going through like whether they just got married or their first year of marriage or their second year of marriage.

Speaker 1 And so you're watching all of us kind of like, oh, I do this dance.

Speaker 2 My like,

Speaker 2 all of my like, I have like,

Speaker 2 like say like my like five closest girlfriends, like now they are all married and engaged.

Speaker 1 Yep. And do you, to anyone that is the single friend in a dynamic like that like

Speaker 1 can you talk about how

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 don't feel pressured by people just by seeing your friends at one stage of their life like how are you maintaining just like confidence to not feel like oh well i'm the only one so i have to hurry up and do it like how are you feeling

Speaker 1 like you're managing that because i you could i don't know if i'm saying that right like i feel like you're doing such a good job of just being like and i'm so happy for all of you and I'm happy for myself and I'm good on my, like, what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 2 the easy answer, and then like, I'll give like the deeper answer.

Speaker 2 Like, I do, like, I have, I have a few, like, newer friendships that, like, I've been investing more time into because they are single. Yeah.
And I do think it's important to like,

Speaker 2 it's just helpful to like have people who are like,

Speaker 2 oh, like, everyone's going on a date night tonight. Like, let's do this.
They're like, everyone's kind of tired. But, like, I like, I don't want to sit at home alone like all weekend.

Speaker 2 Like, let's at least like go out and like get a drink and like be social for like a minute.

Speaker 2 So like I think it is like really helpful to like have single friends, have single friends when you're single.

Speaker 2 And then something else we were talking about recently kind of related to like how am I not feeling pressure in comparison and like left behind when all of my friends are very much in like a different life stage than me.

Speaker 2 Like being single like. is the minority of like of my close friends right now.

Speaker 2 Because like I truly, truly feel like very zen at this current moment and not pressured and not rushed.

Speaker 2 But when I first got out of my relationship, like the first, this is kind of like a new, this zenness is kind of like really within like the past like month and a half-ish.

Speaker 1 That's nice to hear because I'm sure girls are like going out of a breakup being like, bitch, I'm on my fourth month and I'm still struggling.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like a very new,

Speaker 2 like this level of like. Calmness.
Calmness. Yeah.
It's like kind of new. When I first got out of the relationship,

Speaker 2 I knew for a fact, like I absolutely need to be single. I need to, like, reflect on stuff.
I need to not rush into anything. Like, I need to have me time.
Like, I knew that, but I didn't feel that.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 I would be like, I need to be single, but like in the back of my mind, I'd be like, oh, fuck, like, time's, the clock's kind of ticking. Like, am I dragging my feet? I was doing like the

Speaker 2 numbers game where I was like, oh, so I'm 30 now.

Speaker 2 If I like take a year to be single, I'll start dating someone maybe at 31.

Speaker 2 I don't want to rush into an engagement. So like maybe I'll get engaged at 33, married at 34.
Am I going to immediately have a kid? Then a year into marriage at 35.

Speaker 2 And then like, I was like, oh my God, like I'm having a kid at 35. And like, so I started playing that game.
And like, that was like kind of like suffocating and like consuming. I was so close

Speaker 2 to like locking in like this timeline that like I was seeing like we were just saying I was like about to get engaged and then I was like, okay, I'm gonna get engaged at 30.

Speaker 2 i'm gonna like and i had that kind of like like it was all laid out yeah it was kind of like clicking into like step and it was like

Speaker 2 although there were things that weren't right and that i wasn't sure about and that were causing me stress kind of seeing my life kind of start to like unfold and like where it was going in front of me was comforting and like the sense of security and safety so like it took a moment to like shed that.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Cause I feel like that's something we should talk about too.

Speaker 1 Of like, I've done it before a previous relationship prior to Matt, like daddy gang, we've all been there, or you're currently in it, where you are,

Speaker 1 you see the path, you see the future, and it is so comforting knowing you can see like what your time lies.

Speaker 2 I, I, I was at the point where I was like, oh, I can look five years ahead and I can see where my life is going.

Speaker 1 And sometimes, having

Speaker 1 the guy

Speaker 1 makes you feel

Speaker 1 like,

Speaker 1 even though I have these reservations, I'm okay with looking past it because I can't give all this up. I can't give this timeline up.
Like I'm right here. I'm like right.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, I'm on like the last lap. Like I'm so close to the finish line.
Like you don't throw in the towel like right when you're for you about to cross the finish line.

Speaker 1 And I remember I said to Lauren when she was like, I feel like I was like right about to hit the finish line. I was like, babe,

Speaker 1 you have not, you are literally putting on your fucking outfit and your gear. You're not even in the race yet.
Like, I know that sounds cheesy, but it's so true.

Speaker 1 It's like, if you feel like you're just about to get there, you're about to get the engagement, you're about to, it's like, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 You haven't even started the fucking marathon yet. You are literally just putting on the clothes to see if they fucking fit.
Does the uniform look good? Does it fit? How does it feel? Okay.

Speaker 1 Then when you start marriage, that's when the fucking race begins.

Speaker 1 And I feel like, or again, even if it's not marriage for certain people, whether it's you want to have a kid or whether you decide to be life partners, but for you, I feel like that's such a relatable feeling to women listening:

Speaker 1 you don't want to disrupt what you feel like you've spent so much time building, and you're willing to potentially look past these problems because, holistically, it's really starting to shape out.

Speaker 1 And the problem is,

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Speaker 1 Anything that bothers you in your relationship will get 10 times worse when you're married.

Speaker 1 And that is disorienting and hard to hear because I think you and I had a lot of conversations of like, your ex is a good guy. Like, absolutely.
It's just compatibility wise.

Speaker 1 We started to talk about things where it was like, it wasn't the right person for me. And we would be like, no, no, Lauren, like you're saying this and this is how it's making you feel.

Speaker 2 But like, which I think was like another hard layer, like nothing was like

Speaker 2 glaring.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah there was no moment of like oh shit like that was so bad you have to end it it was just like these micro things that you kept you know what it was a lot of too which is people listening you may have this where you're just like am i okay with this yeah am i okay with compromising and when is it not compromising and it's like actually kind of giving up something that's important to me or something I did think I want in life, but like, is that superficial to want that?

Speaker 1 I think when you really really got to the point of knowing is when you were laying it out and speaking to your friends a bunch, and it was like, you were literally starting to compromise on every single thing in your life and everything.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't even compromise.

Speaker 2 It was just like, this isn't the life I saw for myself. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You would say it, but it was like a story you were telling yourself. And then when you,

Speaker 1 and this is where daddy gang, like finding friends to make sure that who won't judge you, but can talk with it.

Speaker 1 Because I've been in the scenario too, where I would go to Lauren when I was going through a breakup being like, I'm so devastated, but you kept me on track to be like, but that's not what you want.

Speaker 1 I feel like when you went through this, we did the same thing where it was like, this is hard that you're giving all of this up, but how about you reframe it and think, can you imagine?

Speaker 1 If you went through with it just because it felt like you were so close to the finish line, then you marry this guy and you have kids and every problem.

Speaker 2 And then I was going to like look up and be like, how is this my life? Right.

Speaker 1 Like, I didn't want any of this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't agree with the way we're that we're doing this and this and this and this but i wanted to just get the ring and get the marriage and i think that's a really really understandably relatable thing that women

Speaker 1 can feel like i remember dating a guy that was so like financially stable at a time where i really wasn't and it became and i think also like growing up and not being

Speaker 1 like having my parents have like all this money, even though being around friends that had it, I definitely like wanted that. Like, and so it was attractive to me to have like financial security.

Speaker 1 And so I was completely avoiding a lot of things that upset me or made me feel not good about myself because of this main thing that I thought, it's okay.

Speaker 1 I can look past these things because I feel safe with him. But it's like, but why do you feel safe with him? You don't feel like he's actually being like faithful to you.

Speaker 1 It's because of the financial stability. And while that is a huge thing when you think about certain aspects, that doesn't mean fucking shit if you don't have an actual good relationship.

Speaker 1 Money is fucking great, but it's not fucking great if you're getting cheated on or you're getting fucking emotionally abused or whatever it be.

Speaker 1 So, I think a huge lesson for the daddy gang that we can take from what you're talking about is like

Speaker 1 you felt in your gut,

Speaker 1 compatibility-wise,

Speaker 1 you were off in moments,

Speaker 1 but you kept going forward

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 you really

Speaker 1 also didn't want to give up the good parts.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 that there was love there,

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 it was all kind of falling into place and like making sense.

Speaker 2 And like, I remember saying, like, in one of my like therapies I was having

Speaker 2 before like ending the relationship, I was like, I feel like I'm about to blow up my life. And she was like, you are.
but like, that's one portion of your life.

Speaker 2 Like, you still have all of your friendships. You still have your career.
You're still going to be you.

Speaker 1 That's what's, I think, so crazy. I remember that because we talked about that after that session you had.
It was like, yeah, I guess you could say you're blowing up your life. Not really.

Speaker 1 You're just ending something that was going to bring you in one direction, but it's a portion and everything else is going to stay the same. I remember saying that.
Do you remember?

Speaker 1 I was like, you're going to go to work on Monday. Then you're going to go to drinks with your friends friends at night.
Like, everything is kind of the same, but then a huge chunk will be missing.

Speaker 1 And so, it's really, really terrifying as women because we don't have the

Speaker 1 flexibility like men do to just

Speaker 1 keep it fucking moving. Oh, that didn't, that one didn't work out.
I can go over here. Like, they just, they have a different level of privilege.
And

Speaker 1 while that is true, I really truly believe that, like,

Speaker 1 staying in something just to appease one other aspect of your life that you're looking for is really going to come and bite you in the ass.

Speaker 1 So I also think being easier on yourselves if things aren't working, daddy gang, recognizing that sometimes neither of you are bad people.

Speaker 1 It's just, it quite literally is like your traumas and your strong suits and your issues and your things that you bring to the table that are good and bad.

Speaker 1 Sometimes they just don't fucking work with someone. And instead of trying so hard to force it, while yes, a relationship is work, at some point you have to look at yourself.

Speaker 1 And I genuinely believe for you, Lauren, like I'm so happy that you lived with him. I'm so happy that you went all the way to the point of seeing yourself in a dress with a ring, all of it.

Speaker 1 Because now we talk about this a lot of like, I can't wait to see the person that you meet next because you are a better person because of that past relationship. Oh, and like God, you met met him.

Speaker 2 And like, there's things that, oh, my therapist used to say, every person you date gets you one step closer to the person you're supposed to marry.

Speaker 2 And like, there's things that I would have no idea that I did not like and that I definitely need. Yeah.
And that like trigger me. And I feel like I just like know myself a lot more now.

Speaker 1 And so technically, though, Think about this, Daddy Gang, if we're doing the fucking math. Although maybe you would be engaged right now and planning a wedding.

Speaker 1 We have talked about like now, knowing how much there was breaking down, there's a chance either one, you would have been in a really pretty unfulfilling, unhappy marriage, which could have ended in divorce.

Speaker 1 Now you're still so much closer though, to just pure happiness of finding your person.

Speaker 1 And I think that should hold

Speaker 1 a lot of hope in a lot of people's minds if you're about to end something or or this episode is helping you think about reevaluating, do you want to take that next step?

Speaker 1 While, yes, the next step seems super straightforward and easy. If you're not 100%

Speaker 1 in knowing that's the right next step, you're then going to have to take a lot of backsteps once you go forward because it's going to be like, well, fuck, this isn't working.

Speaker 1 Don't force something that's not there. Everyone's timelines, while yes, it can be straightforward.

Speaker 1 A lot of times with timelines, they're just going to like fuck you into making like more rushed decisions where it's like, if you didn't have this in your head and if we didn't have a time clock, like would you make that decision?

Speaker 2 I think that has been like the timeline and the time clock and the biological clock in children has been and like really sitting and thinking like about that aspect has been one of the things, the most freeing aspects for me of like, I truly feel like so, I've never felt more zen or peaceful in my entire life and calm and like not rushed and like awake and confident and like sure.

Speaker 2 And I think it's because I've been having really honest conversations with myself about what was really fueling that like urgency and that rush and that countdown. And it's children and motherhood.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I,

Speaker 2 if you would have asked me six months ago, a year ago, my whole life, I would have been like, no doubt I'm having children, like no question I'm having children.

Speaker 2 And I don't feel that way anymore. And it's

Speaker 2 a little surprising,

Speaker 2 but not sad, if anything, almost freeing

Speaker 2 because I think I was really just operating from that place of a, it's just a what you do. Like, oh yeah, like I'm going to have children.

Speaker 1 You're like, duh, like I have to.

Speaker 2 But like, when I like really think about it, I'm like loving this time period of like feeling like I am the main focus in my life, like truly just me. And like, what do I want and what makes me happy?

Speaker 2 And like, everything is revolving around

Speaker 2 you, me, and like, I get to be selfish. And like, my entire life, like, I

Speaker 2 from like seventh grade was like put in positions that were like pretty crazy of like taking care of my family emotionally, financially, until

Speaker 2 like not too, too long ago. And like, I'm like,

Speaker 2 it's my time. Yes.
And it's like my turn. Yes.
And like, if a child fits into that at some point, like, that's great and beautiful. And like, I know I'd be a great mother.

Speaker 2 I might have a kid at 40. Yes.
I might not have a kid.

Speaker 1 And that's.

Speaker 2 And it's like, it was like pretty like wild to say that out loud because like

Speaker 2 I just

Speaker 2 wouldn't have thought it.

Speaker 1 Thought it. And yet here you are.
And I feel like, again,

Speaker 1 had you gone down that path with that ex-boyfriend, you wouldn't have probably even had a chance to recognize that because of just this timeline.

Speaker 2 That's what you and Matt, me, you and Matt were talking about. When you're in something

Speaker 2 that you're unsure, you, or maybe it was me and you, you and Matt, you chase the next milestone because that like puts like a

Speaker 1 it gives you something to look forward to and focus on to distract from the problems in the relationships. Like, but we're going to get engaged and then everything's going to get better.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to get married. And let's focus on the wedding.
There's so, and then all the wedding.

Speaker 2 And then, like, let's start planning for the kid.

Speaker 1 And then once you got the kid, we're like, oh, we're going to, and then it's all these distractions and you, these milestones, and everything's good for a little bit.

Speaker 1 And then once you hit that, there's a come down. And then you're like, well, what the fuck is next? And you, you've seen those

Speaker 1 relationships with people. I think it's so beautiful when you said this to me the other day.
And I was like, emotional for you because I feel like

Speaker 1 we have so many things that we're just taught from a young age as women, and no one really tells us. But by the way, you can do it completely different.
You don't have to do that.

Speaker 1 We don't have to do what our moms did. And I feel like this is such a beautiful place in your life that you're in.
Like you're really, really in control right now and in tune with what you want.

Speaker 1 And thank God you listened to yourself when you were in something that would have been easy to move forward with, but difficult in the long run.

Speaker 1 It's like the short term reward, really, you have to think about the long term. And now the fact that you're able to realize all these things about yourself, I'm just so happy for you.

Speaker 1 And I really hope people listening can find their version of what you and I are both going through right now. Cause I think we're both at a period where we're really having to look at ourselves.

Speaker 1 And as women, we don't feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 Kind of like silencing like the noise. Yeah.

Speaker 2 In this moment, like what do I want?

Speaker 1 And if you don't know, that's your first step that you need to spend some more alone time with yourself.

Speaker 1 If you're in a relationship, that still means you should be spending alone time and checking in with yourself. But you guys, Lauren and I this summer are aligned.

Speaker 1 We are, I'm on my, I'm doing a huge fucking victory lap and enjoying my fucking time being a newlywed. And Lauren is fucking single and she's going to have a good summer.

Speaker 2 And so I'm just celebrating myself.

Speaker 1 Yes. And so the two of us, I feel like it's this beautiful,

Speaker 1 gonna be a great fucking summer of us just like going.

Speaker 2 We have a lot of fun plans.

Speaker 1 You guys, we have so many fun plans that I, I don't want to fully tell you about because it will be fun

Speaker 1 to roll like for

Speaker 1 our social calendar for you guys. Um, but also, more importantly, I think Lauren and I will need to come back on this couch soon because

Speaker 1 there's a couple of things that maybe you'll find out soon that couple announcements

Speaker 1 that you and I haven't really

Speaker 1 ever, ever, ever talked about that I think will definitely catch people by surprise. Yeah, I think the daddy gang is going to be like shocked, but also like, oh, it all makes sense now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's all, all good things are coming this summer, but um, thank you for sharing all this.

Speaker 1 And because I do really think like so much of what you are going through right now and always is like so relatable. And I feel like a lot of people really appreciate whenever you come and sit down.

Speaker 1 So thank you, Lauren. This was, this was a fucking wholesome ass episode.
Yeah. Daddy Gang, we love you.
Thank you so much for tuning in. And I will see you fuckers next Wednesday.
Goodbye.

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