Hunter Schafer: Polyamory, Cheating & Fame (FBF)

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Hunter Schaefer, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you so much.
I am so happy you're here. Thank you.
I'm so happy to be here. I just told you.
Not the vape coming out. You're like, thank you so much.
This is how comfortable I'm feeling right now. But this means the world to me.
I just have to start off and say because me my sister who's you graciously led in this room love put me onto your podcast during the pandemic and we were gagging and um I'm just I'm so excited I love you okay little do you know I really love you because I have to tell you a story okay so I think it was a year ago we were this close to each other and you had no idea. Probably we were in Milan and I was sitting.
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Okay. This is.
Were you there? Okay. Okay.
Hunter sister is in the room. She's saying she saw me freaked out.
Okay. This is why life is so fucking stupid because I was standing with my videographer and I was like, oh my God, it's Hunter.
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Like, that's weird. That's weird.
He was like,'s weird that's weird he was like no go say hi I'm like no no like I believe one day we are gonna meet in a non like weird or like moment where I'm like fangirling that's totally how I feel about people too like that I gag over it's like if I know that we are gonna because you have that feeling about people sometime where you're like I know I'm gonna kick you with this person I'm like I don't want to fuck it up but I'm so happy you're here call her daddy is brought to you by Airbnb. I have been so into taking little weekend trips this year.
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You know, I this is like, well, and we were just talking about this kind of is like I always feel like like the image that I put out into the thank you. You know, I, this is like, well, and we were just talking about this kind of, is like, I always feel like, like the image that I put out into the world, like on Instagram, whatever, is like very much like the drag version of who I am.
And it's like an image that I put together to like give to the world. And, and like, that is not how I dress and act in real life.
And so, this i feel like your podcast is very about like cozy let's like give realness and this is my i i picked shit up off the floor and put a little stupid outfit together and that's what it that's what this is it's really cute and i'm happy that you're comfortable and that is the key here like coziness yes and rPaul also bitch okay can I just say that interview like face cracked me like that interview impacted me so much and also I lived for her outfit for her give with the with the oh my god it was so incredible because I remember like you're kind of talking like similar with like Ru like presents a specific way and has these like cunt outfits that you're like this is what i'm talking about yes and i remember when rue showed up i was like oh my gosh and i remember the rep was like no rue really wanted to show up today just as like rue yeah and this is what like rue would be wearing like around rue's house and i was like okay yeah and so i love that you came just like cozy today thank you um you just bought a new house like yes here yes i heard you did too yes okay how is it going girl oh my god girl okay so I I've been looking for a house for a few years to be to be 100% honest I have like I didn't grow up with it's it's a very surreal thing to be like making significantly more money than like anywhere where I came like my my parent any with anything that I grew up with um you know we're just pretty regular middle class and now I'm like I have a I have a lot of fucking dough and I have no idea how to how to use it and so I and it scares me and and so like at some point I had to be like, OK, I need to do something with my money. And and so, yeah, I've been looking for a house.
I finally found this beautiful house. And yeah, I've I moved in when September of last year.
OK. um and i've started on the whole like now I'm going to hire people to make I tried doing the whole I'm gonna buy furniture by myself I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing it's so fucking hard are you doing that oh my god I literally left it to my husband because like back in your husband you let your husband do it no no I know this sounds insane Hunter but like Matt has incredible taste okay he has like perfect taste okay now I just let him do his thing because I'm gonna be honest I decorated my first New York City apartment where I first lived alone for the first time ever and I was like watch me bitch like this is gonna be so gorgeous I got the couch and the couch sat there for so long and I'm like how do you make a space look good this and I see Pinterest and I see like even urban outfitters like the it looks so cute and then I buy it and it looks like fucking shit yes so then I hire someone and now I hired my husband to do it so amazing good if you want come over I wish I wish I had a husband that had amazing taste that is not my fucking case diva I I like yeah so I i had i went through the exact same spiral of like okay

wait i like you know i look at couches and then i'm like wait but but like and this is so i hate it's so like it's okay go first world whatever whatever uh you know like i look at this amazing couch but then like if i spend a bunch of money on this couch and then i the but then the carpet changes everything.

Huh?

Girl, I'm like,

I tried.

I really tried.

And then i was like no so i um i hired um a designer i yeah so so have you seen choice of bonds um ad video insane insane so i hit troy up and and he was very gracious in connecting me to those people. So they're doing it for me.
God bless. And we are just getting started.
Everything in my house right now is completely covered in sawdust because the roof just got done and it all came through the ceiling. It's insane.
So, you know. OK, well, it doesn't maybe matter because you're leaving no can we talk about this so this is all gonna happen while i'm away okay yeah okay so talk to me you walk in here and you're like bitch you caught me at a great time and i'm like wait why hunter why you're tell me okay what is happening okay so so yes you have caught me and for this interview and very it i've had a fucking week my sister knows this i've had a fucking crazy week um so i um i got this it wasn't necessarily an offer but but you know people the casting people for this tv show came to me like, you know, a little over a month ago and asked if I was interested.
And I initially and this is something we'll get into, too, is is I don't think, you know, I feel like I did TV and that was such a great intro to acting. But since moving into films, I realized I love the film format so much more because it's so it just TV is so it's a beast it's a beast and so I was really like under the impression with myself that I was not gonna do TV again after euphoria is over okay but um and and so I initially I I said no I don't think I can't I mean this sounds really cool but I I just don't think I can do it again and then um and then uh you know and then so they went off and they went into they tried you know they tried casting people and then they came back over a little over a week ago and were like hey we just want to gauge your interest again because we really think you are could be really right for this.
And so I was like, okay, I need a meeting with y'all to like show me really what you're trying to accomplish. It was an amazing meeting.
And I was like, fuck, I feel like the universe is like handing me this thing right now. It's not what I thought I was going to give, but I feel like I have to do this.
And, um, uh, can I say what it is i was gonna it's blade runner 2099 so so there's you know the initial blade runner from the 80s and there's 2049 from 2019 and so this is the continuation 2099 in tv show format it's very cool congratulations thank you that's like insane thank you and when you have meetings like that when you say like it goes well like what do you look for to make you feel comfortable well yeah so like I the acting thing this all like I was I was not looking to be an actor it's not what I thought I was gonna do with my life um I still question whether it is I've just so this week has been this whole process of being like, shit, I have I am being handed these incredible opportunities on a silver fucking platter. And while it might not be why I thought I was put on this earth to do like this is this is what I'm being fucking called to do right now.
and and so that's been like a big processing moment and um and I think it's really allowing

me to like head into this project and just like fully. Yeah.
Like like just dive in head first and like give myself to it, you know. OK.
I have so many questions of just like how we got here and how you are doing. So you grew up in North Carolina and obviously that's so fucking different than L.A.
What is your hometown like it yeah so well so it's your sister is laughing why is she laughing that's so funny well you know so I've I I really I'm gonna be honest I've I fucking hated North Carolina okay um and uh growing up there um being queer being queer in the south anybody who's queer in the South knows it's not fucking easy. It's really culturally it's in a completely different place than like the bubbles in the cities that we live in.
And I always knew that I didn't belong there and that I belonged in these spaces where I can like be myself and like not feel like there's a target on my fucking back all the time i really hated it and like i i'm not gonna lie like growing growing up there like like fucked me up i have now come to love it because i can return there in all my bad bitchery and like know that i'm fierce and i don't feel like a fucking nuisance for existing in north Carolina now. So I love it now.
But growing up there, it was it was tough. I did not like it.
Yeah. What were you like as a kid, like in this environment? Describe yourself.
One of my like, I guess, afflictions with life is I have never been able to really help but be who I am. And, you know so even before I transitioned and I transitioned um in my first couple years of high school um but but before I transitioned you know I'm just like can I say bad words I mean like yes yeah like so I'm just like this little faggot like I and you know I am like an extremely high femme boy in this you know space of like you know boys are like very one way especially in the south like it's just culturally what it is um and but it I mean it's one of I'm so thankful that I have not really been given a choice to be anyone but who I am.
So I always stuck out like a sore thumb. But I loved, like, extremely artistic, pretty happy.
I've always had, like, a pretty easy access to, like, joy, I think. So, like, despite my circumstances, you know, I look back on my childhood and despite being in a certain amount of pain just for being who I am, I was a pretty happy kid, you know? That's amazing.
Yeah. Like if you're in the South, you're right.
As like growing up, if you are queer in the South, like still to this day, it's crazy to say like kids are having a hard time. Even in fucking California, they have a hard time, which is even fucking crazy to say.
So when you're're growing up in that environment i know you have three siblings and you're the oldest yes being the oldest it was it hard to like open up to your siblings or were they like there for you like what was that dynamic i would say the siblings was was on the easier end because i think that uh I mean, like me and Hannah, like we, because we're so close in age. So we were in the same schools and, um, and because nobody really understood like what I was doing, I think, you know, we had our trials and tribulations as siblings and we, but we, we've taught, you know, we've moved far, far beyond that now beyond that now and you know my siblings are some of the closest people in my life now um but uh but at the time yeah I think it was it was a little tough for everybody because no one not even me understood what like I was going through and why I stuck out like a sore thumb and you know whatever but as happy as you were that like makes me sad for any kid that's like going through something that's like indescribable in your mind at that point did you have a hard time in school like what was your middle school like middle school was probably the hardest actually um you know young teenage boys are are pretty gnarly especially when they are confronted with like a like a kid who they just don't know what to do with like with they don't they have no grasp of like queerness whatever it is so it's like it's like oh like look at this fact like look at this gay kid like they just don't know what to do with it and so they'll be mean you know um and uh and you know so that was like that was always tough just dealing with boys who don't, of course, get it.
But I found my cute little nerdy friend group and, you know, and that was like my first experience of like, OK, if I find my circle, I can be myself and I'll be OK. So so that was that was cool.
But middle school is also when I realized I was gay or like at that time I thought I was a gay boy so came out who did you come out to first um my friends my friends so like and that's the thing of like okay I have this this network of support where even if I had my parents and don't accept okay these people will will get me so they were the first people I told. And then I would, you know, tell my parents, tell my family, whatever.
Your parents. So your dad was a pastor growing up.
My parents are still pastors. Yeah.
So my dad is a pastor and my mom is, you know, she's ordained to be a pastor. She works in the children ministry ministry in the church.
OK, talk to me about that, because just like thinking of like what you were going through as a young kid being in the south and having your dad like a part of the church how did that work out it's it's like another layer to it all of of and and thankfully you know i didn't grow up in catholicism or anything and i hear about you know people in my community who grew up in that and it's like oh girl i'm so fucking lucky that i got to grow up in a normal even though my parents are pastors and i'm very involved in the church and in like a on the chiller side of christianity presbyterian church oh my god catholicism is like insane like you're gonna burn alive yeah like i am yeah so there was never like this oh you're going to hell but then i would see things about just christianity in general where there are churches that like believe you're going to hell and and so there was that was this whole complex that i had to get through too um and then but thankfully when i came out as gay to my parents you know i they I mean, I think anybody could have fucking told you by looking at me that I was was gay at the time. So that was easier than the trans thing came on later on.
That was a bit harder. But did you feel like not even just you as an individual? Like, did you and your siblings feel like you guys had this like expectation around you like I'm thinking like tv shows and I'm like the pastor like I'm thinking like seventh heaven back in the day like yeah I don't know like did you guys feel like you had to like live up to this like like reputation almost I think it was there um and this is something that I definitely dealt with later on too in, in life of like of like, you know, because there's this whole like pastor's daughter like trope, you know, and it gets kind of tough because obviously like what I do now is very like, I mean, my first job when I had to tell my parents that I was doing a tv show and in the first episode I'm having anal sex with a 45 year old and cutting myself in the arm like all this stuff and then but my first thought is like okay they have to tell their congregation that their kids aren't going to be on tv and then their congregation who are just you know little old nice white christian people from the south are going to watch this tv show and see me getting butt fucked and you're like and it's like it's like oh my god i'm like i so like i thought to a degree i still do like feel that because that's something that they still have to deal with.
You know, my movie coming out next, next in, in a couple of weeks, kinds of kindness, which I'm so excited about my one scene in it. I got my titties out girl.
Like it's, it's like, you know, and, and I have no personal problems with it, but it is something where I'm like, some people just don't, aren't going to get it. And you know, that's a whole other thing.
How did your parents react when you told them? And also, like, how do you sit your parents down for that? Is that after the dinner table? Is it a phone call? Is it a FaceTime? Yeah. Is it a letter? So I didn't tell them that I was in the audition process because I really wasn't sure that I was going to do it because, once again, I didn't think acting was my calling or anything.
It's not my plan plan it wasn't my plan um so I didn't tell them until I had actually gotten the job um which kind of left them in a situation because it didn't really give them room to like give their opinions or whatever um but I think they were just like worried because that you know they don't come from this world and sometimes I get really jealous of like my peers in this um in you know this industry that do have like family in it because yeah I mean there's pros and cons but and and for some for a lot of reasons I'm really happy that my family is in this completely separate world but but like the guidance part I think that's what they were worried about is I think they you know even though they didn't know a lot about it I think they know the nature of this industry can be very intense and they just didn't want me to get like fucked up by it you know that's a good point and it also sucks like you're it's so crazy to think that like your first fucking acting job is euphoria like yeah that is so baller yeah but it's also like i get what you're saying

if you if your family doesn't come from the industry at all there's also this like natural judgment of like are you about to fuck your life up yeah like oh my god are you making the biggest like decision that is gonna like ruin your whole life exactly where like other people that maybe like are you more used to it's like this is how it goes yeah get the role i just had to tell i had like, like, it is, I think I used the word risque. And I don't think.
Just like a little risque. And then cut to, cut to them at the premiere.
Like, I don't think my mom could even watch it. Like, it's, you know, it's insane.
It's insane. You're like, oh my God.
It's almost like when you watch a movie with your parents that has a sex scene when you're young.

And you're like, um, and you're pretending you're like going to get your ice cream at the time because it's so awkward.

Meanwhile, you're like, so that's me.

Yeah.

And I can't run away from this.

Oh, my God.

God bless you, honestly.

Like, that is strength within strength.

It's so nuts.

It's so nuts.

I'm curious, though, when you were talking about kind of closing out that, like, chapter of middle school needs a fucking outlet of like I am dealing with all this shit yeah like I remember reading like you said you journaled I don't know if it was in middle school but like what did you do to like feel less alone with all these thoughts well yeah I think and it's part of it's just part of my nature too and I think part of like the pressure cooker that I sort of placed myself in growing up in a place where I was so unhappy with my surroundings is I really like devoted my my free time and like my life to like like my art.

And and at the time it was visual arts where I put all my creative energy.

But I knew that that is like my gift is like I'm an artist and and it's still tea to this like I know that that's what I was put on this earth to do was to like make stuff but um but uh you know at the time it was visual arts and so I did everything that I could to just kind of like like like put all my energy into that and you know it ended up being like my first job like in high school my first job was um contributing to you know making little watercolor comics for an online magazine and stuff you know and so that was like this is what's gonna get me out of here and get me to where I want to be in life you know Totally. Yeah so even hearing you say that it's so hard in general being a child but like at that point it just sucks because like there are so many kids that get to live their life and be like not having to escape and get to like go to the fucking playground and like frolic around you being like I was trying to like use this as an escape so I didn't have to like deal with like what the fuck was going on reality yeah then you get to high school did you ever like talk to anyone that you felt like actually understood you well so I mean this is the thing is like when the trans thing started coming up and that that kind of started coming up with the onset of puberty, which I was experiencing severe, like levels of anxiety that no, like, you know, middle school or high schooler should be going through at that time for especially around something that's, you know, quote unquote inevitable.
And and I realized that this like wasn't normal um and then i turned to the

internet because i didn't even know what being trans was i had no idea that you could there were

trans people in the world um and and that's the kind of isolating piece of like growing up in the

south nobody talks about it there's there's no people in my line of sight um that like are this

um and uh and then so like i you know went to the internet i looked on youtube and found out like

Thank you. people in my line of sight um that like are this um and uh and then so like i you know went to the internet i looked on youtube and found out like oh shit you can this it isn't my destiny it doesn't have to be my destiny to become a fucking man and grow a beer you know and all that stuff and then but then it's the whole thing of like okay now that i know that this is my tea i have to get everybody else on board because I'm still a fucking kid, you know? So that – and that was harder because I didn't know what it was.
My parents didn't know what it was. Right.
And that was a bit harder as far as like, you know, there were moments of like when I first came out where like I told them like I'm a girl and they were like no you're not like like you know and but it's not it's not because I think they've always known like deep down but like they didn't there's there's when when you don't know like what it is like there's no way to like like real or I don't know contextualize that it's like the concept like when you say that like to actualize it yeah like people have a hard time especially because like you're saying like no one around you guys like you could relate to yeah so you're coming to your parents with this information and like obviously some parents are fucking awful when it comes to this but it sounds like your parents and they came along right they were just like i like, I don't understand what you mean. Yeah.
And I think they started realizing because this when I with the onset of puberty and everything is where my first I've dealt with mental health, you know, for a while now. But that's when it first started showing up and depression and anxiety.
And my grades started fucking up. And I became, you know, kind of I was becoming a shell of a person and I think they could see that and then they were like shit okay this is this is like we got to figure this out you know right and that's what's like so heartbreaking for houses that like don't accept their child because it's like yeah what like let them be who they need to be because you're right like you're becoming a shell of a person because you're not like who you authentically know you need to be inside yeah and everything is telling you one thing and then everyone is like no no no don't do that well I think it's out of love like I think it's like you know and I think it's like my parents first reaction was was like that because like they love me they want me to be okay and I'm I'm pitching them this insane idea that I want to I want to chop my dick off and become a woman like you know like like uh you know and that's a very crude way of putting it but like just sort of like get my point across like like and and I think no one wants anybody that they love to like endure a harder life than they have to but sometimes that's that's the fucking deed what I I love about you and like even sitting here your energy is just like so incredible and I think back to like younger you obviously like going through it but like what kind of like traits I don't know if that's the right word but like traits do you think like you gained through like having to really like endure a lot of like turning inward within yourself and like betting on yourself and relying on yourself yeah being trans has been one of the great challenges of my life and it sucks that I had to deal with it so so young and that I live in a world that you know is constantly fighting me on that um and it and it absolutely fucked me up and I'm still dealing with the ramifications of that today um but at the same time I would not have it any other way because it has taught me and it's why I'm so thankful for it it has taught me that uh like the power of intuition and kind of like the proof that I have like a soul and you know and like um and that there and that like all the answers are inside of me you know and uh at least for my truth in my life and whatever.
And, and like, that is like priceless. And, and it's something that I use as, you know, a grounding force in everything that I do in my life now, you know? So yeah, it's, I'm so thankful for it.
You know, first of all, like, thank you for sharing all that. Cause I, I know it's personal and I really appreciate you opening up because like when you're saying the intuition thing within yourself it almost like made me cry because I'm like that is so fucking real yeah and so many people watching this are probably gonna like that's why I want to share this it's incredible yeah and like just sharing your experience like that is like so powerful to be like lean the fuck into what you feel.

Stop listening to what everyone else is saying. I know it's so fucking hard.
Yeah. But when you can start to channel that like we all know what's best for ourselves.
Exactly. No one else does.
And you can even like you. It's so weird like your layers of like consciousness and everything because you can totally on surface level be telling yourself something is right for you.
when in reality deep down and you and you know it's there but you won't look at it like you're only looking at this thing that you're telling yourself but deep down you know you you always know always know you know you can try to avoid it sometimes yes like that's literally yes and you literally put yourself in your own psychosis of like of like believing in this reality that is not actually your it's so crazy crazy I also appreciate like as we're kind of just going through your life I wonder and you could you don't need to answer but like is it annoying sometimes because like a part of a big part of your life is like this this moment that you realize like oh like I don't know if I'm like happy with the way that I was like born and I want to be this way and like I'm so happy with myself now but like is it annoying when you're in interviews that like like I've talked about this before because I didn't want to be like I didn't want to ask you about it that's why I was like oh we got to high school in your life I know what happened in high school like I would ask anyone on the show I hope you know like you can talk about it as much or not as much as you want but like are you like can we move on like I'm this like so I thought about this today because I just recently had an interview come out where I I fucking this was the longest interview I've ever done it was two like four hour sessions and so I really just was I was hyped up on caffeine I was yapping I was talking about whatever I wanted to and I did I I gabbed about how fucking frustrating it is um to constant because like in interviews for like press things when I'm promoting a movie or something it's oftentimes the first thing an interviewer will will ask about because it's what makes me unique and they know that it'll get clicks you know but what's frustrating to me about that is I'm here to promote my work in a movie that has nothing to do with that and you are just fishing for things that will get you clicks and that's what's so frustrating to me about that. This today, when what I love about this podcast is like, is that you like we're talking about real shit and life and whatever.
And I can't really talk about my life in full honesty without talking about it. And it is something I do believe because I didn't really, fame is something that I'm like, I don't like, I didn't really fame is something that I'm like I don't like I didn't really I knew what I want to do like with my life often involves fame to some degree it's not something that I thoroughly enjoy but I do feel like I have been put in this position in order to help progress like the movement.
But do you ever feel exhausted from that? Like it's not your fucking job to educate people? All the time. All the time.
And that's the thing. I don't like talking about like just like educating people on like the fact like bitch Google is like like literally that's how I learned about it.
So you can you can certainly do it too um but as far as like my experience and also helping other young trans people who might watch this or watch some of my other work which sometimes I do incorporate my transits into my work you know that's who I'm doing it for you know yeah I feel like there's a difference between like genuinely and authentically just like speaking about your experience yeah people are like oh like I like what she said there versus being like so hunter yeah in high school and you're like Jesus fucking Christ I'm promoting the hunger games why are you asking me about what it was like being a tranny growing up in the church like what the fuck are we talking about yeah no I i respect that and i just wanted to hear from you because i bet it's fucking annoying speaking of high school yeah did you like dabble with drugs and alcohol at all were you like pretty clean like so and that's something that i think the the church thing that i'm pretty thankful for is is i did you know I would smoke weed with my friends and I and now I've learned to I've come to learn I fucking hate weed is not for me I cannot smoke it and I had this really horrible experience with it like when I was like 18 or something where I like I smoked and I literally thought I was in hell and then I've never done it again so I'm like really off off of it. That's the only thing that I kind of dabbled with.
And then like, you know, drinking here and there. Yeah.
But never really getting into it. That's been more of like a early 20s thing, you know.
You need to be like in your room, like by yourself or that could be scary or with one friend that you trust. Yeah.
And like ease in. Yes.
thing with weed is is like because some people can just smoke and just like kiki and bitch that is not how like when i have smoked weed in the past i become non-verbal i'm on the floor and like a creature like that's that's just when i have smoked that's what that's my tea that's what i give terrifying and and you can't do that around especially people you don't know then you're like psych yourself out and like hunter you're like yeah i'm just like no and also they're like it's weed like it's not that deep yeah it is that it is that i think weed is one of the most psychedelic drugs on the fucking planet.

I mean, that's a stretch, but like it's it's I think it is very psychedelic.

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White Claw Seltzer Works, Chicago, Illinois. Okay, let's talk about talk about euphoria okay i think i read somewhere but like i don't know if you've ever actually like told the whole story like on a show where i can hear you yeah tell me the story of how you got the role and like how it all came to be um i i was taking gap year okay um and modeling in new york at the time i got scouted over instagram blah blah i go to model i'm like I want to make some money that's not what happened by the way but uh I left modeling in debt um but you can dream that's another that's another story anyways I'm doing like my model give um and you know right as I'm getting ready to like like go to college um because that was my plan I'm just gonna save up money whatever go to college um that then this casting call comes about um and i see it floating around on instagram and then my agency tells me that they have asked me to come in and so this happened with there are a handful of trans girls working there's a lot more now there's like a handful of trans girls working in modeling at the time we had all gotten asked to come in for this for this um audition and i was really like i don't know because it's like trans and like and it's you know not written by a transfer i'm like i don't know and then uh but i i go in because they really want me to and because i'm like okay let me let's just like see what this is about um and I went in uh and by the way I've no acting experience I have no idea what I'm doing um so I get in and the great thing is that they essentially just wanted me to play myself um so I got to basically just like be myself with lines and I think that whatever it was it worked for them you know so I keep getting callbacks callbacks callbacks um eventually they fly me out to LA for like a final audition um in front of all these HBO execs in this crazy room and then I find out later that afternoon that um I got the role and you know and I was still teetering on like do I this is was not my plan and this changes everything and I have to be completely honest then I saw the the paycheck the the the per episode and I was like this is more money than I've ever seen in my whole entire life.
I, I don't think I can say no to this. Um, um, and, and frankly, at that point, I had also read more of the episodes.
I really liked the show, you know? So it's, it's like, it's a combination of those things. Um, and, um, and I really liked the, uh, showrunner, Sam, uh, we had had really good meetings was like, okay, I feel like, and it's the same thing that keeps happening where I'm being handed this thing.
I think I have to take it. And so I did.
It's so crazy that, like, you had no interest in fame. And obviously, like, I'm assuming, like, once you took the show, you guys didn't know it was going to be, like, be like what it was gonna be so well i think we all knew it was something special when we were making it um we all like we loved the first season oh it was so magical like we we all loved it so much um and we i mean we still like we look back on it as as like wow like like we all got to grow up inside of this thing together it's really special um um but yeah i didn't we didn't know that it was going to become what it did yeah can you like take me to that moment where you're like realizing like the show's out fame is happening everyone knows your name like yeah it's one of the most surreal things I've ever been through because it's because you are still the same person.
So I'm still the same person. But then the entire world's relationship to you changes like that.
And it was I'm not going to lie. It was really it threw me for a fucking loop.
And thank God we all the cast and I came up in this together and we were able to like like lean on each other in this just like really surreal experience. Because I don't know how I could have fucking handled it if if if I didn't have them.
and you know like particularly Z who's one of my best friends in the world to this day is in it and and she you know thankfully she had had some experience with fame already and and we were really close by the time we really like kind of you know fell in love with each other as friends in the first season and she was able to help me through all of that too but it was very surreal and I wouldn't say I had no interest in fame because I knew fame could get me the things that I wanted to do in life and I knew that could be a tool but it's not like I had any person and I still don't really have any personal like I don't personally gain anything from it if anything it's just like made existing in public a little harder as a socially anxious person but like um but it's a it's an amazing tool to like get what I want and to make what I want happen no it's so interesting you say that because I people always say like oh people think they want fame and money but if you just hand them money then they actually don't even need the fame that that part right because like bitch if I could walk away from all of this with the money and and not how oh right life would be right and some people like it like I get that but like yeah some people do and some people are meant for it some people were like like this is what you were supposed to do diva do you have a moment where you were like found yourself like very overwhelmed by it all and you like were shutting down um so I I remember some of the first moments of getting recognized in public happening um like I think me and Barbie were at a cafe and you know the first like four episodes or something were out and it hadn't really started um but then um but we're just at a cafe money on business and and then we have people start coming up to us and it's the first time this has ever happened to me and it and it's just really surreal and then I think the moment that I really realized things were changing was I was in New York doing press and it's one of those interviews I forget what it's called but it's like it's like kind of public because they do the interview in this like corner glass oh like the today show vibe where it's like today show like people can see you people can see you from the inside and and you know so i walk in to do this interview and everything's kind of normal and then by the time i come out from doing the interview a crowd and paparazzi have amassed and then we get followed around and my mom is there with me too and we get followed around by these paparazzi for the rest of the day and just coming from what i come like and it was i like i couldn't fucking process it and it was it's it's scary because like getting followed and having people scream at you and stuff it's it it puts you in like a like a fight or flight like flight. Like it's like because you know, you can understand on a surface level what's happening, but your body doesn't know that.
And you feel like you're in a cage. Yes.
Because you're like, well, I can't open my car door. Exactly.
Exactly. So you're just kind of like, I'm sad.
Yeah. Is your mom like, what the fuck? I mean, my mom was great because I think she knew that I was really overwhelmed.
Yeah was just there for me yeah but I think we both at the end of that day had were just like what the fuck just happened yeah and and then you know it's kind of never been the same sense well and I appreciate you sharing like you're like I'm a socially anxious person yeah like naturally this isn't something that I'm like let's go like how do you in moments where your life is feeling too Hollywood like how do you come back to being like Hunter yourself not yeah Hunter Schaefer like Prada Vogue all the things yeah and it's taken a while but I've created this dichotomy between the Hunter Schaefer that I give to the world and then like Hunty who that's what my friends call me and everything. Like like those are two different people.
And so she the famous Hunter is kind of like my drag. And having those be separate is so important for my fucking sanity.
And it's also I have it's one of my greatest gifts in this life is i have wonderful

wonderful friends and family um and and their people a lot of them have been around before i got famous and so they know me and and you know don't really can't really project my drag onto me like Like they know me for me. And and so having them there is just like priceless.
Yeah. That's amazing that you've like been able to figure that out pretty quickly because that takes some people like a really long time.
It was not quick. Right.
OK, well, even though like you don't think it's quick, some people literally get to the point where like at the end of their career, they're like, I should have like disconnected more.

And I do think, thank God you have your friends and family that are like, you're hunty, bitch.

Don't forget it.

Okay.

We're going to treat you like you're just hunty and you're not Hunter Schaefer.

We're not going to treat you different.

Exactly.

That causes people to become monsters that they're like, do this for me and do this for

me.

And then you're not even a real human.

You're a robot.

No, you're like, yeah, it's, it's, it's psycho.

And it's sad to watch because it, you, you know, know we we do watch it happen to people a lot yeah obviously i have to ask is season three happening like what are we doing girl um you know obviously i like the real tea is i have no idea fucking idea what's going on um and you can ask literally all of the cast um and it's um you know it's i mean here's the real tea is that a lot has happened um but at least for me and knowing where the rest of the cast is at and everything too i mean a lot has happened we have had um and it's hard to talk about but um you know we've had deaths um uh girl getting emotional um and um it's um I think everyone feels a certain um sense of Oh like if we are supposed to do this season three of like. obviously I'm still coming to qualms with what's happened and losing people that we

really loved and we were a part of this family and everything, you know? And I think season, if we do go back, it's, that's going to be tough. I mean, and I think there's a world in which we can channel that into making it a beautiful season three if it is supposed to happen but i think you know that shit really threw everyone for a loop so on an emotional level and then there's you know all these you know industry whatever political things that are that go into whether or not this is happening but that's emotionally i think where a big part of what's happening yeah too you know um i'm so fucking sorry and like it it clearly like you were obviously so close when you even talk about the cast i'm just so sorry because like when you talk about like this rise like this is this became like your family like these are people Like these are people that you were like, fuck, I don't know how to handle this.
None of us know how to handle this. Let's all lean on each other.
So like I can't imagine and I'm so sorry. And like, thank you.
There is no right or wrong whether you guys come back or don't. Like it's been one of the most incredible rides.
Yeah. You guys have done such an incredible job.
And like thank you for giving your life to something that has like really brought so many people like entertainment and happiness and like there's a lot of themes that I think people have like loved that are very progressive and have just like helped a lot of people so whether it comes back or not thank you we love you all thank you and we support you thank you and thank you for being being real with me and let me give my emotional tease and whatever because Because's still i'm still of course in it girl it's it's crazy grief is a motherfucker and it's not linear and some days you'll see a picture in it i know or like a thing in the street and you're like it'll hit me on the fucking toilet i don't know it's just like you know it's you never know crazy you never know. It's crazy.
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Here we go. We're going to play Would You Rather.
Would you rather wear Euphoria-style makeup every day for the rest of your life or never wear makeup again? wear makeup again easy no no shade to euphoria

makeup I just am a no makeup girl love it you're gorgeous um okay would you rather send a nude to the wrong person or accidentally send a sext to your mother that's insane Alex Cooper that's such a fucking crazy question. I would.
Well, it depends on who's getting the nude because like my friends and I like we, you know, they see me naked. It's no big deal.
You might be like you send it to an extra. But what if I fucking send it to my mom? Then that might just be as bad as the sex um um you know what I think you know my mom has seen me get butt fucked on television I think she can handle an accidental sex and we can recover from that I love that that says so much about you what would you do honestly I guess I was gonna say the nude but again it depends who it's too because if like i'm looking cute like yeah it's like accidentally i sent it to an ex i'm like yeah but right that's you know yeah not bad but if it's to like a co-worker or like a producer an executive oh no ma'am absolutely not i think my mom depending on the level of the sex yeah like if it's like a choke on your cock situation, I'm like, mom.
This is such a crazy question. I wrote it.
I'm like, what is wrong with me? I pray for both of us that we never have to deal with that. Me too.
Me too. What is your opinion on sexting? It's like, I've tried.
I've had cute moments with it. It's never ideal, I would say.
It's exhausting. For me personally.
I personally, I hate texting in general. Done.
If we need to, if we're going to talk, FaceTime me. You know, I'm a FaceTime girl.
So the texting. Have you ever reused a nude? Absolutely.
The best. Absolutely.
Perfect use of your time. You're like, oh, let me go into the storage closet.
Yeah. We pick out which one I'm loving today.
Go to library. Pick it out.
Yeah. Get that shit out there.
OK, here we go. Yeah.
Drunkenly hook up with a friend who you know has feelings for you and you don't have feelings back

or you have to get back with your most recent ex for a month um so okay actually you know what no like i so i my friendships um especially a lot of my i come from a lot of lesbians in my circle um and I don't know how many lesbians you've talked to but most of everybody has already had sex with each other and probably will again and that is very much the case for me in my like like lesbian friend group um so that would probably be no problem if that happened have you ever hooked up with a friend and regretted it i don't know i don't really regret too much um okay no i mean there's i've definitely like drunkenly done things where i'm like oh girl like that like like that didn't need to happen but it's not no no no shade no no nothing okay okay fair yeah what is going on in your dating life are we single right now are we dating no we are i'm single as fuck okay um are you loving it i am loving it so yeah so i mean you know like i think it is perfect for what i where i'm at in life right now um because especially given this past week's stuff where i am about to undertake this enormous project and the last time i did it you know I was in my first relationship when I first started euphoria and um I didn't know going into it how much of me it takes and I really live in that world when I'm doing it and uh and you know like that relationship didn't end up working out because I just had no capacity to like do a relationship. So I think it is so perfect that I am single as a Pringle right now.
Cause I get to just dive head first into this. But, but yeah, my last relationship was like, I don't know.
It's where we've, we hit the year mark a little bit ago um since we broke up so

yeah do you prefer someone in the industry or not in the industry um it's not really a i mean

this is it's still tough and i still like don't totally know but you know because i've done both

um and uh they both are really nice for their own reasons, because obviously and I have this with my friendships, too, where like I my job and my life that I live requires me to be on standby all the time. I found out that I'm spending the rest of the year in Europe, like not even a week ago.
And, you know, it's like it's hard to maintain relationships and so the people that have stuck around in my life know that I operate on this level where like you know and and it's all like my best friendships are like this where like we can go a month or however long and not talk and then when I when I come back or when they come back we can pick right back up where we left off that's how i operate in my relationships i like it's just how it is right now um and uh and so yeah like with the relationships too it's it's like it's it's nice dating other people in the industry because they also work like that right so they get it like they're like they're not going to be annoyed that you're like leaving for a certain amount of time because i've had

friendships end because they're just like girl like like where are you going where are you yeah um i have work yes yeah okay what is the best first date you've ever been on best first date I've ever in I so the date like dates is like not real I'm just now getting into like the era of my life where like I'm an adult and I feel like more like the the idea of someone asking me on a date or me asking someone on a date like a first date where you go to dinner and you like get to know each other like i haven't done a whole lot like a lot of like my previous stuff is like

we start out as friends or random hookup blah blah blah um and then it turns into whatever it

is um but i would like i would like the dating thing it sounds fun no okay did you go on a

first date with your husband i did it was like the best first date i ever had yeah which

Thank you. like I would like the dating thing it sounds fun no okay did you go on a first date with your husband I did it was like the best first date I ever had yeah which is annoying because I hate that like I feel like some dates could be great first dates and then they like turn out to be fucking shit it turns out that he wasn't a dick he actually was a lovely guy and I ended up marrying him um but I've had good first dates but I've had awful first dates before I also think like it is more normal sometimes to just like go from friends and then all of a sudden you're just like hanging out at your house your apartment and like that's fine too yeah have you ever had it where like after a first hookup you're like oh my fucking god the chemistry was so insane like i must see this person again yeah so you've had that before absolutely okay yeah and that's that tends to to be those like what will turn into a relationship.
Yeah. OK.
Who is currently your celebrity crush? Oh, God. Oh, God.
Let's see. Who is not offensive to say that you want to run into next week? Oh, no.
Let's see. Alex, I don't know.
I can't like say this stuff. Actor? I'm trying to think.
Musician. Well, I have a type.
Oh, what's your type? I love a musician. True.
I've dated a couple now. I think I've seen that.
Yeah. I think I've seen that.
i've dated a few now um i love a musician one with like long hair one with like short hair you know it's like the little sucker in me that's just like oh my god you are so charismatic and you will play the guitar whatever and i'm goo goo ga ga. Has anyone ever written you a song?

Yeah.

Hunter.

Yeah.

Oh, and trust me, they know what they're doing, too.

They know what they're doing with that.

But it works, Siva.

Oh, my God.

Like on the guitar, just like sitting on the bed?

You know, yeah.

Or like, you know, send it to you.

You know, like, you know, yeah's uh it works I have fear for anyone who who has this happen to them because you're you're done you're gone you're done yeah if you meet another musician do you think you're gonna be like I have to break the curse and the pattern or are you gonna go back are you talking any musicians right now like if you find a musician that you like again yeah are you going to just go right back in oh girl um i mean no so like the thing that's tough with musicians or at least in in like my line or like with successful musicians who are like doing tours and stuff is is is like it's i mean and it's i guess it's the same thing with actors where they have to go off for however many months and tour. And and then I'm working for how it's like it's very hard.
So I don't know if that is like in my path again, because I've done it and I've tried it and really tried to make it work. And it's just very hard.
And I don't have at least at this point in my life, I don't have the capacity to like figure out how that works maybe someday though we'll see do you like how I like let you off the hook I'm like okay you don't have to answer I'm like I really wanted to give an answer you'll tell me after like you'll tell me after yeah do you fall in love easily so I like falling in love is like so like it's I'm still like figuring out like what it means because I've been in love with people who are like still some of my best friends to this day. And like we were definitely like in love at that point, but it's changed in its nature.
And I still love the shit out of this person but it's not like

that infatuation so I feel I it's there's a part of me that's like is being in love like

just a deep infatuation and then like that sort of subsides and then it just becomes like

you just love this person I don't know it's sort of funny but I also I know what being in love

it's like a whole body like you know right yeah but I think that makes sense I think you're like at that point in your life where you're like experiencing these relationships been through it enough now yes but like you may find someone at some point that you're like oh yeah wait that is different than infatuation right right that's when you'll know is when you're like oh wait yeah because love for me when i was younger like it really i went through a point where it was just infatuation then i was like is this love or is this infatuation right and then i think when i met matt i was like oh this is like different yeah with my past relationships i've been like if we were in love in love like i know what that is yeah and it's confusing you know what i'm saying

well because it feels different with every partner also yeah and i also don't believe in like one true love necessarily no i completely agree um how do you handle when people like public opinion on your like romantic relationships that is something that i have learned So my last relationship was my first public relationship.

I don't know if I'll ever do it again at some point when you're doing it it gets just too hard to like I mean you can try to hide but like whatever but I'm also I've also come to this point just with fame in general where like people are going to say what they're going to say. And I really don't give a shit because like, you know, I get called a man.
Hundreds of times on the Internet, every single day. It's like it's like I'm so used to like the just fucking idiots just like saying bullshit all the time.
So like it's, on one hand it's like i don't care and then on another hand it's like if you don't like obviously a relationship is is like personal and private and and like you should not be you need to eliminate as many factors that are going to make it more complicated than it needs to be if you can. So I don't know.
It's something when I start dating again or something. Well, I think it's interesting, too.
Like you said, like this was your first like public relationship. I think there's pros and cons where you're like, finally, we can just like be.
Yeah. And like we can go into an event together like as we would want to naturally do.
But then like people are taking pictures and then people are staring. Yes.
And then when you break up, someone like me is asking you about it. Oh, girl.
And you're like, Alex, don't ask. Well, no, I'm excited to be talking about love and everything.
Like it's not like it's not like things that I don't want to talk about necessarily. Right.
Like I've learned a lot. And something that I really love about all my relationships is I like, you know, even if like bad shit has happened in them or whatever or they have like fucked me up to some degree or something that they have all I all I feel like all of my relationships I've come out knowing that it taught me something about myself and about people and that's like I feel really thankful for that you know absolutely I feel like that's like the best takeaway from any relationship anything in life Even if it's not romantic it's a friendship it's a work relationship I was when I was researching you um I was reading something where like your former co-star slash relationship yeah he kind of like talked about like his need for like to get out of like his codependent tendencies yeah I'm sure you read this Were you on the same page? Like it is a breakup like where you're like blindsided or like, were you okay? Yeah.
So, so like he, he said that. And, but that, that breakup was, it was like a mutually, like it was a mutually agreed upon.
And it was, it's one of the cleaner breaks of breakups i've had of like we both recognize that this is not working and we can't do this we gotta go our own separate ways and uh it was so so hard because we really we really loved each other you know and he's he's a really special person and i love his soul and everything and it by no means was that really that was it was messy you know but but um but uh it was a clean it was a clean parting and um and he has a lot to work on and i also have a lot to work on like and and like and so i think that's also why I'm in this like era of like

I'm gonna I gotta figure my shit out because that was we had a really good thing and but there there were things in our own selves that had nothing to do with each other that kept coming up in the way of the relationship you know so 100% yeah what are you like in a relationship I think it's different for everyone.

Like, it's really different with every kind of person too. Cause I've been, I used to exclusively date not men.
Um, and, uh, and this, this last relationship was my first relationship with a man, a cis man, you know? Um, and, and it's it's different it's very different than that like uh dating i've dated trans women i've dated uh trans men i've dated cis women and and all of you know i've kind of been around the buck and it changes it like the transness is really interesting because everyone interacts with it differently everyone has their own like you know like like way of approaching it and i have my own way of approaching that relationship with that kind of it's it's it's interesting it's a sort of like yeah no i'm i'm excited to. Yeah, this is interesting.
Yeah. So I'm so thankful for my first relationship.

And I've talked about this before too.

It was with a trans woman.

And it was my entrance into sex, romance, all of that stuff.

All of those were firsts in that relationship.

And it was with another trans woman.

Thank God. Thank God.
And I'm so thankful and we're still friends to this day too. That, you know, she kind of like showed me the ropes because, you know, dating as a trans person is, it's complicated.
Let me tell you, it's not easy. And to know in my first relationship and in my first like really being in this mutual love thing, you know, first time having sex that I got to do it with somebody who completely understands my gender.
it's incredible and it's like oh i'm so thankful for it um and and that's and so i'm really

thankful that i started out with other trans people because there's there's sort of being trans or having trans people in your life um there's a lens that you sort of acquire and and it's something that like ignorant people who have no idea how to how to like engage with trans people or think about trans people they don't have the lens that allows them to see whatever person as the gender that they are presenting as or whatever and this is a lens that you acquire as you like you know spend more time with trans people and everything and so like knowing that that lens is there with whoever I was with. Amazing.

And then it's interesting branching out from there into like cis people, cis women or cis men where I'm not sure that they have the lens. Even with hookups or whatever.
This is a constant anxiety I've had with hooking up with cis women or something, is that I'm worried, especially also because I'm pre pre-op that maybe are they seeing something in me that I that is not part of what I give or something and they might want and I've had hookups before with like cis women where they wanted me to like fuck them or something like a like a guy and it's because i have a dick and like that's like and then like that coming up in a hookup and being like oh god like it's tough but then you will find cis people who do know and and just get it and that's what was so amazing about my ex-boyfriend was from the get-go. Never, never a fucking – he saw me exactly for who I was, which is amazing.
It's amazing too. I appreciate you describing this too because like – It's kind of hard to – No, but like I'm keeping up with you because what I – First of all, I'm so happy for you and I know everyone doesn't have that experience.
It's like the fact that you were with someone you felt so safe with and you were like oh you get me because we're similar so it's it's a privilege to come across people in romance and sex and dating where where that lens is there if someone understandably is like I don't know like what you want and they come to you like vulnerable of like yeah I really like you like are you open to like that's such a turn on oh my god like tell me what you want they are coming because you know it put it puts their intention on the table of oh I like you I do want to do this with you I'm just I'm just a little inexperienced here love that love that amazing it's it's when they don't and they don't know what they want or they want something that like i am not capable of giving then it's like sticky and gross so your first relationship with a guy like just like a guy that was also my first monogamous relationship everything else had been polyamorous because that's what i came up in that's how i learned relationships and i kind of touched on it before I've I had like I had built up a complex against men understand and so like because most if not all of my deeply painful experiences I've had in life have been with men and so I really like came into this complex of I never want to let a man that close to me in my I I don't see a world in which it's possible really I was kind of um like it was you know my bear I put up walls and and kind of been had been the dying denying the fact that I am attracted to men and I do want to date and whatever men and that that's okay. And I need to let my walls down.
And so that's what was so amazing about my last relationship too is also, and that's kind of what was cool about the public aspect is this is a straight guy who is in the music scene too. And, and, and, and we are in a public relationship.
He's dating a trans woman and he's he's completely straight he's only dated cis woman before and he's toting me around happy to be my boyfriend in in front of the world and people are saying horrible nasty shit because because it's like oh you know oh you're so he didn't he didn't care at all and that was something that really showed me too where I'm like okay you really yeah you see me for you know and you love me for that did you guys have conversations before going out in public together like were you anxious at all I was anxious but I was also just head over heels in love and happy to be doing it and you know it conversations absolutely should have been happening but also i was like 22 23 i didn't you know i was just like oh i'm in love right i look this person is so much fun you know whatever um so it should have been a thing but it was but i think think also just to and listen like i like i've said all these amazing things with him he was not perfect and it's no secret it's out there in the world um you know and it's part of why the relationship ended is is i um i got cheated on for the first time and he said he's talked about this too like in his song you know he writes about it so it's it's it's fine to be talking about it today and it's like part of my truth but that like fundamentally changed me as a person and it was this whole process of like realizing that cheating has nothing to do with you at all and and and it has everything to do with that person and whatever kind of pain they're in or whatever they're dealing with it's it's all that but it's so hard i would say because in the moment it feels like it's all oh yes you're like what did i do yes and then eventually i love that you're obviously like a year out you're clearly at that place where you're like i can you know that you're saying it with confidence but in the moment you're literally like oh yeah and and then as a trans woman also with a man who has never dated that before then it's your my mind you know and i knew it wasn't the truth and and we both know that i've no doubt but you can't help but your brain goes my brain because of the way i've been socialized as a trans woman like and and it's been this like crux in my life of like why life has been so hard sometimes i'm like oh my god like is this it like am i can i just not like like you know yeah but so it's cuckoo bananas how did you find out um so i i kind of knew you know you always you always kind of the gut yeah the gut um um and because I kind of knew, you know, you always, you always kind of know. The gut.
Yeah, the gut. Um, um, and because I kind of knew, I went into the phone, you know? Yeah.
Hunter, welcome to. Which I am not, I'm not proud of.
I'm not proud of either. I've done it before.
But the amount of people that have sat here and been like, it's, it's fucking normal. Yeah.
Because when your intuition is like hitting you in the face, you're like, okay, fine, I'll look. Yeah.
And the reason you're looking is because you fucking kind of know something. Yeah.
And this stuff, it makes me so nervous to talk about this stuff because I really I've no interest in letting the public into what happened and everything. I absolutely I want to make this very clear.
I've absolutely no fucking desire to like like because what happened

with that was between

me and him and and I want

to keep it and I want to protect that

but but at the same time I'm also like

I'm here to talk about

my truth and whatever you know and he

wrote a song and like

yes and I agree with you I also think

like I wish people

knew sometimes like you

some things like are super

deep in the moment and then when you're having

Thank you. yes and i agree with you i also think like i wish people knew sometimes like you some things like are super deep in the moment and then when you're having a conversation like there's no ill will you've literally said like you were in love with this person it was it ended amicably like yeah and he's and he's the same way about it because he's he's the same kind of way like where i don't think he has any interest in letting the public in either but but we both are yappappers at the end of the day.
And we're going to talk about like it's hard doing like the bullshit. Like, yeah, I'm putting on a face here.
Like, yeah, you know, getting over a breakup, like not even specifically talking about him anymore, but like for you and what you were kind of saying, which I think is like a lot for your confidence. I'm like, as a trans woman, you're like, fuck, like fuck like am i not and you almost like stopped your sentence like am i not like what came up for you when that happened like am i not um it um uh yeah i mean it like really like i mean like i said it like fundamentally changed me and it's still something that i am working through.
What do you mean by that? Fundamentally changed you? What do you mean? Just in that I don't think I understood because I had never been in a monogamous relationship before. So I really my understanding of relationships and love and everything really was rooted in like polyamory and queerness and sort of the way that that world works which is very open and i don't i think i i honestly i kind of looked at people in monogamy and be like oh like you're you're cheating on yourself which is which is also what rupaul said in that interview and you were like no i literally was like i just got married yeah i know I literally was like, through.
I just got married. Lay off.
Yeah, I know. And she was like, sorry, bitch.
It was literally looking at me and was like, sorry. No.
I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my God.
And you know what? So I don't know where I totally land on it now because I've done both. Yeah.
And, you know, and I think there's validity in both and it's really a choice and it comes down to yeah each individual thing but coming from that as my background and the way i learned love i really looked at monogamy as like a like you're shorting yourself and whatever and then i got into a monogamous relationship oh bitch i i get it i get it um uh like so nice know. Oh, I loved it.
Oh my gosh. But then it opens up the door for that kind of betrayal, which is a different world of pain.
Were you open to the concept of monogamy? Like did he initiate or did you initiate or you both did? Oh no, I was open to it because, you know, that's what I'm coming from. So I, i even like at the beginning you know i like we talked about it but you know that's not that's not what we either of us i don't think really wanted with with that and uh and um yeah and um you know i think uh i mean yeah yeah are you open to monogamy ever again? Yeah.
Absolutely. I really feel like, you know, I've done both now.
And like, I know I can be in either of those positions. But I really liked monogamy too.
It's really cool. In its own way.
You're like, fuck. I hate this.
Back to Polly. Fuck you.
No, but like now I see the faults in pop because poly is so much work it's so much work it's so it monogamy is so easy because it's just like it's very simple it's just like i mean you have to communicate a lot in either way but with polyamory you bring other people into that and other people's relationships and whatever. And it's fine.
But then you have to communicate not only about your own relationship, but about if that's in the contract for you, about the other relationships that are happening and how that weighs and how to balance that with the person's, your primary partner's feelings. All that.
It's like so much work. Yeah.
It's so much work. And like you're fucking fucking busy i'm too busy right now which is what you know what i said i'm too busy right now okay let's talk about the new movie that's coming out by the time this

episode comes out cuckoo um yeah right that's what i'm that's why i'm here to promote my

fucking movie i'm like oh my god okay like monogamy like this is call her daddy yeah and the reason i

love having these conversations though is like i get it we can do like a press junket of like

Thank you. to promote my fucking movie.
I'm like, oh my God, okay, like, you're not going to be like, but this is Call Her Daddy. Yeah.
And the reason I love having these conversations, though,

is like, I get it.

We can do like a press junket of like,

no one wants to know more

than anything about you.

Yeah.

And then we want to go see the movie

because of you.

Yeah.

And we fell on-

And that's why I wanted to do this podcast

because I fuck with this.

No, I'm so happy you're here.

Thank you.

A horror movie.

Yes.

Your first lead role?

So this is my first, this is the first movie I ever got.

It's not the first movie that has come out, but it's the first movie I ever filmed.

And it's my first lead role.

Are you so excited?

I'm so excited.

I love this movie.

And it really feels like a baby.

Like, like, and it was my first, you know.

First movie.

Okay.

Horror. I'm such a little fucking bitch when it comes to horror i'm literally like yeah what's happening yeah what's happening like how did you decide on this genre like did you love well i love horror okay i grew up loving horror um and i also think it's it's so fun stylistically particularly with this director too it was less about the genre and even the script and the story i i just i watched this director's um who's toman singer uh his first film and it's his only other piece of work i think that's like out in the world that you can like go buy on amazon and watch um but it's called lose and i saw lose and i was like oh God, I have to work with this person on whatever capacity.
And in that audition process, I fought for that role. And I got it.
That's amazing. Yeah.
And I love this movie. I know this is probably like a dumb question to ask, but like the process of filming like a horror film, like me, do you ever get like scared? I'm like, I'm literally terrible.

Like, do you ever, it's not like that though. I'm assuming.
Yeah, no, like, well, no, because there were some scary parts because we were filming in the bitch, in an abandoned. No.
Yeah, here we go. An abandoned, acre post-world war ii military village like module that had been abandoned for 50 years we're shooting at night in these abandoned buildings that have just been sitting there for years that was scary but thankfully i the casting crew and every oh such a big family i loved making this movie with them um and so you know we were it was so familial you know it was only like when you're like oh you have to go walk to your trailer alone and you're like in the woods in the middle of germany and it's like bitch what but it's kind of scary um but um otherwise no i mean i'm you know like in the scenes where i'm scared you know i have to be scared obviously but i'm just coming from the perspective where like i'm trying to think of like a movie that you'd be like why were you scared about that like honestly some scenes in like vampire diary scared me you know what i mean i still haven't seen no great.
But like, okay, let me, like Halloween Town. Did you ever watch the movie? No.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was scared.
The Disney movie? No, no, no. That was scary.
I remember that. Yeah.
Yeah, I remember. I'm literally so afraid of like, or like on Disney shows, if it was like the like Halloween episode, I'd be like.
Oh, yeah. No, those were scary.
They were. Twitches.
Did you ever watch? Twitches. Twitches and the dark cloud.
They literally shitting my pants. Oh, my God.
That's so scary they were twitches did you twitches twitches and the dark cloud they literally oh my god that's so scary you remember that yeah girl yeah so good honestly like a little pathetic but i'm so excited for you because obviously you being like having this lead role like it's crazy to this is why i love talking to you because you started this interview being like i didn't even know if i wanted to be a fucking actress and i like get this call and I'm like making no money from modeling and I get that call and I'm like I guess I'll do it now your life has changed how has your approach since now you're like getting on a plane tomorrow right to go to Europe like how has your approach changed though to like yeah being an actress yeah so I you know because I was fine I was like you know I was really under the belief for like a few years into it that like okay i'm just doing this for right now and it's helping yeah my career whatever i'm making money this is great but i don't know if i like if this is what i'm supposed to do and now i'm in this place where i've i've because i've been doing it and i get it now because also you have to you have to know like i'm learning how to act on the spot with the first two seasons of euphoria and everything you're so fucking good thank you you wouldn't even know thank you but like i'm i'm learning i like i didn't understand the craft i had no idea what i was doing and i finally in that process and in this process of like just like take like letting this career happen to me I've fallen in love with the craft and now I'm at this place where I'm like okay maybe this isn't what I thought that I was put on this art to do but this is just another form I get to put on my creative energy that I used to put into my journals and in my art and everything into this and I understand how that works now and I've fallen in love with it so now it's at this great point where I'm like okay this this is this is one of my superpowers this is what I can do and um and I love it Hunter I'm gonna be honest it this was like one of my favorite interviews no seriously like sitting across from you I'm like inspired and also like this is why I love what I do, because I've watched you. I see your social media.
But like sitting with you for an hour and whatever, like you're fucking awesome. Thank you.
And like this, it's just so cool because actresses we don't get to see and even musicians like we don't get to see as much, obviously, of your personality when you're like playing these characters. We characters we're putting our drag in the world exactly but today you coming here like stripped down like being yourself and like opening up i'm like thank you so much thank you for giving me the it's it's i'm i'm nervous about like you know showing the world like you know my real tea so you know i'm that you shouldn't scares me but but to do it with you thank you for making

the space and everything and and like just being here and kicking with me that's what this felt

like you're amazing I literally could keep going but like I know we have to stop but I love you

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