Candace x Milo: The Rise of the Gaytriarchy | Candace Ep 234

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All right, you guys, I feel like today is probably a very great day to discuss homosexuality.

Okay, so I grew up in the 90s and we were taught in school that some people are born gay.

The older that I get, and I speak to people who struggle with homosexuality or live out homosexual lives, and actually the majority of them don't think they were born gay.

They typically will correlate their homosexuality to some event that's happened in their past.

Well, I want to discuss this theme today because virtually everything that I'm reading right now, whether it's Hollywood Babylon or getting into Sigmund Freud and the history of Jewish mysticism, there is some element of homosexuality.

Is this a part of an occultic practice?

Has homosexuality been pushed upon our society because it is disordering?

Are we even allowed to say that on YouTube?

Anyways, here to join me, Milo Yiannopoulos.

Let me start from the beginning here.

I want to say I've never struggled with homosexuality.

I was brilliant at it

from day one,

but it did occur occur to me five years ago that hell was real and I don't want to go.

So you say you're a reformed or a recovered homosexual?

I say ex-gay because it sounds hilarious, but the truth is...

Ex-gay does sound good.

It's good, isn't it?

But the truth is,

as far as I've got so far is celibacy.

And the good thing about the male libido is the

less you have, the less you want.

So

I...

I never thought that I would be happy kind of not really having sexual activity per se, but it's fine.

And now I'm into the messy, difficult, and terrifying business of casting my eye over the female population.

It's probably more terrifying for them than it is for me.

And figuring out if there's anybody there who

could be quiet for long enough to be my wife.

I'm just kidding, of course, but

it has...

nagged at me and irritated me since I came back to my faith, the Catholic faith, that I wasn't able to participate in that last holy sacrament.

I was confirmed very late in life, actually.

And it's a blessing to be able to not just remember it, but to have had a very fancy affair.

I had, you know, I had the full, I had the full Latin, you know, Institute of Christ the King.

You know,

they do, so they do a conditional baptism.

You get exercised three times on the way into the church.

You have to get on your knees and you go in, you go in, you go in.

So converts normally have this, but if you have a conditional baptism, maybe you do this as as an adult, you have to

read the Our Father and a few of the things in Latin.

And then confirmations, as you know, over very quickly.

But it was beautiful, and it was lovely to be able to have that as an adult.

And it was a very important part of my

return to

as close to faithful Catholic life as I can get.

I think it's probably safe to say.

But it was bugging me.

that

I wasn't able to participate in something that everybody should.

And there's something very magical and very special about not just marriage, but about children, because it is the time before you die, before you get to heaven, where you get to do something with our Lord.

You get to, it's called co-procreation.

Two people make the baby biologically, but our Lord puts a soul in there.

And so co-procreation with God is, you know, you haven't just made love with your husband and you haven't, or your wife, you haven't just, you know,

you haven't just

created created a baby, but you have participated in creation with God.

Like,

you know, like that's huge.

And

it's something that men can do, even if they can't bear children.

You know, they still get to do that.

And

I don't know.

I just,

the truth is, it's not a very good answer, but it sort of crept up on me.

The truth is one day I woke up and I remember the

short chain of thought I had.

And it's what I said a moment ago.

Hell is real and I don't want to go.

Just like that.

Yeah.

It's very interesting because, like I said, I grew up and you learn in school, if you go to the public school system, that some people are gay, some people are straights, and we need to normalize homosexuality.

That's why we have terms like homophobic, which I don't know what that means.

I guess it means you're scared of gay people.

You should be afraid of getting trafficked to a homosexual couple.

Homophobia is pretty rational if you're a...

you're a vulnerable

young foster kid or something.

But I think about this now and having read, and I asked you to read this book ahead of this discussion, but having read Hollywood Babylon and getting into Sigmund Freud and the sort of mystical tradition, it's really interesting because we, of course, have no memory of what happened on this earth before we were here.

And I think I sort of assumed, obviously, very wrongly,

that there was always this kind of current of homosexuality in American culture.

But it actually happened quite quickly, and beyond quite quickly, it also happened quite intentionally.

When you take a look at the establishment of Hollywood and them thinking through how to infect the Christian culture in America.

And that had happened a few different times in different ways elsewhere in the history of Western civilization.

But

I mean, prior to the Middle Ages, homosexuality is sort of conceived of completely differently in the same way that race is.

People living in 1100 would have no idea what we were talking about.

We were talking about somebody being white or not white

in the American way.

But

the most recent explosion of this, funnily enough, happened in a way it was kind of a test run for what the media later did with Trump.

The first, I think,

a full assault, full media assault,

like what they did to Trump, like what they did on January 6th, was about conversion therapy in the 80s.

And at that time, you know, after maybe half a century of this stuff, you know, digging in after

the 1910s, 20s, and 30s in Hollywood, you know, half a century has passed and people still think homosexuals are

dirty and sleazy and it's a

moral choice.

And this is a moral episode.

And we can't get over this hurdle.

So what the campaigners came up with was, well, if it's, hang on a second, if it's like being black or if it's like being a woman, then if somebody doesn't like it, they're a bigot.

That works.

So the

Born This Way mythology was created to meet ideological objectives out of whole cloth, and it has never been even remotely demonstrated by science.

The closest that anybody will truthfully get is: say,

there appear to be some people who have some sort of predispositions, maybe,

but it is vastly more to do with nurture than it is to do with nature.

And in any case, even if you are one of those people that just pops out, you know, in sequins scene Rye Carey,

it is possible to overcome what are disordered

urges, they call it unwanted same-sex attraction.

I think it's the PC term that Eugene's right with.

It is possible to,

even though you may be suffering with what is a terrible curse,

not do it.

You know what's interesting because I've had to reconsider that my childhood programming on this, but I love that you call it the born this way mythology.

That's a great way of saying it, because that's what it was.

You're born this way.

It's worth this mythology, that's just propaganda.

You know, it's political propaganda.

It is political propaganda.

And I think that the best example of that currently, because we're living through that, is this insistence that people are born trans.

And you can see how they infect that propaganda, how it starts.

And thinking about Hollywood, thinking about Hollywood, how it starts with the television screens and I am jazz was sort of the first time that they did this TLC show.

I don't know if you're familiar with this.

And they said, actually,

jazz is trans and it became this cultural phenomenon, got so much coverage.

And nobody tells you the end point and the struggles that jazz is facing today.

And they were able to get all of these kids.

I grew up, nobody was trans, and now all of a sudden you have all of these parents who are convinced that their children are born

something

exactly right.

People are always amazed at the horrors that parents can do to their own children, but they shouldn't be because people do all kinds of terrible things to their kids,

you know, whether it's everyday neglect or it's something more serious and more dramatic.

The trans thing fixed a really big problem for the parents of gay kids or kids who show signs of those sorts of behaviors early on, which lots do because the damage happens early.

Fixed a big problem, which is what did I do wrong?

Because if you don't have a gay child that you messed up, but instead have a trans child who has a problem, who has a disease, who has a syndrome, who has something on them, then you're off the hook.

You're not bad parents.

In fact, you're victims because your kid has got this thing that nobody would ever want for their own child.

And so you become brave and you become a hero and your child becomes the crucible in which

your social anxieties about having messed up as a parent and made your kid gay, which is what you did,

are resolved and sanctified.

Because in fact, all of these kids who are seized and mutilated, if they were left alone, would be what we would call, you know, like gay men.

And if

without the

without the interference, without the injection into the process of these crazed trans campaigners, they would have a hope of a way out.

But once you've started chopping things off, you create so many psychological and body image problems that you're no longer just dealing with the fact that you had an overbearing mother, an absent father, and you didn't form

sustainable platonic relationships with men as a young boy and something went wrong in your head, you know, or that you got raped.

And it happened because it could happen for any mixture or all of those reasons.

I had a bit of all of them.

Once you start chopping part of that person off, you cut them off from salvation.

You cut them off from redemption.

You cut them off from hope.

Because if you can stop doing that stuff, at least you're still you.

And you have potential and possibility.

And you could do and be anything as long as you're still in possession of your health your faculties your whatever but once you start mutilating somebody because um uh because parents find it easier to believe their kids have a disease which is not their fault then they messed up as parents and that they're gay um

even if you were able to somehow switch the trajectory of your desire from one one sex to another which does happen uh it's not you know not everybody goes into conversion therapy uh wins it's you know best case scenario you've got like a one in five chance it's not good odds better than cancer but it's not great um

if you start cutting things off, immediately there's there's nowhere to come home to.

And the problem that gay uh kids have is that they they they start early on being different people in front of different audiences, so they know that for instance, they can't um be their sassy selves in front of their grandparents, let's say, because they're they're whatever.

And this this eventually unchecked becomes a kind of fractured personality, which uh is the bedrock reason why um uh gay people are are you know always so dishonest and always so always up to stuff you know because they have these competing identities that are not reconciled and they are playing characters in front of different people who become almost like fully fledged people in their own right and it is a kind of I mean it's you know

lay person schizophrenia it's not it's not schizophrenia but it's it becomes disorientating and it becomes debilitating and and and you you what you're able to do if you have different people you can lean into and lean out of um like an actor but but in real life, you're able to do things to those characters because they're not you.

And you might not know really where the you is, but

the person, the character that is the sexual

person,

you can begin to degrade them.

You can begin to humiliate them.

You can get off on them suffering even if it's you, because it's role play and every because everything is in your life, because

you're now simply replacing one facade with another constantly everywhere you go, and so, um,

because because your personality is kind of broken into bits, uh, you can, at any point, see any of it as not being really you, and you can do awful things to it.

It's so funny that you say that because somebody that I know who used to live a homosexual lifestyle and doesn't anymore, I was opening up to him about this gay guy that we had hired a while ago who very quickly was lying to us and stealing from us.

And he was fantastic at his job, we were so good to him.

And the question that he asked me, he said, you know, was there something about it?

He said, a lot of gay men are sociopaths because they have to lie so much about who they are and what they're doing.

Like, and it shapes their brain early on.

And then later on in life, it becomes very easy when you're lying.

You don't even feel like you're lying because you've nurtured this ability to be dishonest for so long.

I wouldn't say that it because they have to lie about who they are, because

there's a little,

there's something hidden in there.

There's a little something embedded in there that suggests that maybe it's homophobia that makes them damaged or miserable.

And that's not what's going on.

What they're doing,

what people with these

disordered desires are doing, knowing that it is wrong and that it's not normal.

And you know that you're supposed to be into girls.

I had relationships with girls.

I just wasn't really feeling it, you know.

But you feel drawn to this other thing and you know that it's wrong.

And it's as much wanting to distance yourself from the moral responsibility and culpability of doing it as it is presenting different faces as well,

that become the reason why gays have this sort of fractured personality.

But it's not sociopathy.

They feel things intensely.

The hysteria is not the shallow hysteria of

a sociopathic mom who's going to drown her kid.

It's different.

They're in pain.

They're hurting.

And when they cry, it's real.

But they're bouncing between different personalities and different identities.

And

your man there,

it was like, from his perspective, it's like somebody else was doing that.

And he's responsible and he did do it, and he must have the consequences because it will help him to reintegrate.

And they now call conversion therapy reintegrative therapy for the reason for reasons that you will immediately understand having listened to me talk.

They need that impetus, so they need to get caught, you know.

But it, but they are in pain acting out.

And very often you find with gays,

they will do stuff almost to get caught because they want somebody to notice that everything's not all right and when the when the alphabetized CD collection perfect employee

Who's kind of you know like yes, I'll take care of that for you

Needs you to know that they're in pain, they'll do something like steal or they'll do something like

you know, say or or do something despicable, whatever.

They're acting out because they want to be noticed.

It's a cry for help.

So it's interesting now when I consider it now that I was baptized Catholic and re-examining why it is that we learned that it is this immutable characteristic.

It's like being black.

It's like being a woman.

This person is just gay and how it doesn't allow people to get better.

It would be absurd, giving a totally different example.

If someone is an alcoholic, if we said, oh, you were, you were, that's who you always were deep down.

You were always an alcoholic.

So just keep drinking.

It's totally fine.

And yes, if you go to rehab, you don't have a 100% chance of getting sober.

If you are taking meth, you don't have a 100% chance of getting sober.

But knowing and saying saying to a society that this is an unhealthy, something that you are doing forecloses exactly.

You have immediately intuited exactly the key thing about this.

Yeah.

You got it.

They don't want people.

You got it right away.

If you tell somebody that that's what they are,

more even than who they are, you're robbing them of the ability to

make changes.

Like you're an alcoholic because it's totally a genetic trait.

And your dad was an alcoholic and now you're an alcoholic and it's not your fault.

What's that thing to do about it?

I mean, in a way, you should probably just drink.

Right.

And we'll deal with the consequences later.

Robbing that person maybe of the ability to get sober and to have a family, you know, to stop beating their wife or to get their kids back or something.

But that's the main thing.

That's why I think it's such an important discussion to raise.

It's funny, it's because you've got kids, you immediately understood.

You immediately understood what the problem was.

Nobody gets it.

When I say, like, what's the problem with telling somebody that it's what they're like, I don't know, that you immediately got it because you have children now.

But yeah, that's what it is.

All of the pathways to

not, I mean, you said pathway to salvation.

I used that kind of, I used that word metaphorically earlier, but I mean it literally too.

It's barring your way to heaven.

Right.

And that's what's so wicked about it.

Right.

And so you see people who have normalized this, and now you have

homosexual families, which in my opinion, that is oxymoronic in general.

Well, it's because you're depriving children.

It's a mockery.

Well, what's also interesting about it, though, is like,

you know, a lot of people get into these situations.

And that's why it's been fascinating for me to know people who identify as homosexual.

And all of them, the one thing that is agreed upon them is that they actually don't think they were born this way.

One of them has mommy issues, says, okay, my mother was bipolar, and she drove both me and my brother to never want to be around women again.

And now we're both choosing to be gay.

Another person said, I had daddy issues.

My daddy walked out.

I wasn't around him.

And then I looked, you know, I sought to have that relationship with men when I got older.

You could say this even for women who can understand this in another context.

A lot of the women who you will see sleep with tons of guys,

it's because their dads weren't around, so they have daddy issues.

They're pursuing that paternity in a really unhealthy way.

And so, for you, which was it?

Well,

I always knew that it was sick and wrong

for two men to raise a baby, and I never wanted to have any part of that.

And I

feel some responsibility for

elevating

what you might call out and proud homosexuality into

an acceptable position in right-wing politics in America.

I feel a lot of things about that, about my personal responsibility for that.

I regret it very deeply

because

although I thought at the time I was being sufficiently tongue-in-cheek and subtle that people would get

the nuances to it, they did not.

And you just ended up with Lady Margot.

And

although I said in every speech I ever gave, if I had a button I could push to make me straight, I would, that too, of course, got lost.

And so, you know,

there was a moment when it looked like it might be a good idea if people who had this terrible affliction at least lived as close to wholesome lives as possible.

I mean, it sounds sensible, right?

So we go from being the taboo-breaking, drug-taking, promiscuous subculture to people who are living about as good as you can,

despite the fact that your life revolves around a dysfunction or

around

a horror like that,

at least,

you don't need to throw the rest of your life away.

You could at least be healthy.

You could at least,

whatever.

And it seemed for a while as though that was good.

Homosexuals began to vote right-wing.

They still do.

And so we thought for a while,

this is going all right.

You know,

we've got all the white gays voting for the Conservatives or the Republican Party.

And, you know, they're getting into all kinds of rows with their intersectional, whatever.

It's good, it's good because they're the ones we want anyway.

They're the, you know, the, the, the, the, the white gays are the good ones out of the, out of the, you know, the LGBT circus.

And they ended up voting on the basis of taxes instead of social issues, all kinds of things.

But

what I didn't foresee, which I suppose I should have, is that

three-fifths of a

parody is not enough.

And when you have this mockery of the Holy Sacrament, which is ultimately what it is, two men living together and

committing a sin that, as we know, is one of the sins that cries out to heaven for vengeance.

It is

one of the things that

it's St.

Catherine of Siena, I think,

she says that the demons that cause homosexual acts, once they've prompted that in men, don't stick around to watch because it's too disgusting.

Because they used to be angels and

their angelic rational nature, they can't see something so gross.

So

they don't stick around to see the sin that they prompted.

This is the level of seriousness with which

the church takes it.

faith takes it.

So it was probably foreseeable that

a simulacrum of married life was going to lead to something awful and it did um it has led to uh the widespread abuse of not just children but babies we see stories now of babies being sexually violated by um uh by by by gay men i mean the the couple who um

uh ruth beta ginsburg married got busted for uh child pornography i think uh sometime later uh all of the um charlie sheen is an icon of decadence i lit the fuse and my life turns into everything it wasn't supposed to be.

He's going the distance.

He was the highest paid TV star of all time.

When it started to change, it was quick.

He kept saying, no, no, no, I'm in the hospital now, but next week I'll be ready for the show.

Now, Charlie's sober.

He's gonna tell you the truth.

How do I present this with any class?

I think we're past that, Charlie.

We're past that, yeah.

Somebody call action.

AKA Charlie Sheen, only on Netflix, September 10th.

Even though, speaking of, sorry to cut you off, but speaking of the mythology, even the Matt Laramie project, insane.

I did not learn this.

My brain basically broke because it was a part of the propaganda.

Sorry, Matthew Shepard, the Laramie Project.

It was in Wyoming, I believe.

And they kind of came out with this mythology saying Matthew Shepard was murdered because he was gay and he was tied to a fence.

And this became a part of my high school indoctrination about why it was so important to let people just be gay.

Because look what happened to Matthew Shepherd.

And that was, of course, a manufactured

thing.

It was a photo-manufactured thing.

Actually, he was a drug-addled, drug-addicted.

uh the person who killed him was was somebody that he knew and had homosexual had a homosexual relationship with and they ran with this in order to get laws passed they

built upon a myth has there ever been a hate crime i don't know if there's ever been a hate crime i mean definitely like you know 300 years ago uh the terrible you know there were atrocities happening across racial lines for for uh because there was an understanding that that people weren't people but but has there ever really been a hate crime uh when you say yeah when you say hate crime it's so stupid i'm like has anybody ever committed a crime against someone that they love like what do we mean when we even say hate crime?

Like, well, I'm saying that, you know, like for your attributes.

Like, just because you're white, I'm going to kill you.

Has somebody pursued a homosexual across a field, tied him up, and beaten him?

No, come on.

But they wanted us to believe that, and they taught us this in school.

And there are so people I know that are watching right now that do not realize that the entire movie, the Matthew Shepherd thing, the Matthew Shepherd thing is all one big myth.

Look at the way that progressives will rewrite their own founding mythology to suit the uh mores of the day.

You think they're not worried about lying to you?

Uh, it's now accepted, uh, uh, wisdom among the

wokeist of the gay community that it was trans people who won gay rights at Stonewall, who marched, you know,

uh, it wasn't, there were no, there were no real trans there, it was white gays, the white gays do all the, you know, do all the um uh the interesting stuff, they're all the fashion designers, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Uh, but they've they because white gays have fallen out of fashion with the intersectional crime, now they've they've just sort of completely rewritten who it was that participated in this

civil rights event in history.

They completely rewrite their own mythology with no compunction whatsoever.

And they have no hesitation in lying to us about things that happened.

And I think we're now seeing, we did a show

not long ago about

one particular country that is guilty of, you know, just the most extraordinary machine gun of psyops and lies and misrepresentations, just hoping that enough of it sticks.

It has become now

the norm.

Our society

functions not on the truth, but primarily on lies.

I mean, most of the things that are said in American public life on television, in newspapers, in the academy, are not true.

And this is very dangerous because people with

conditions or with disorders where they're trying to figure out what's real, they have no hope in a society like this because it is now,

I think we live in America in a state now of epistemological crisis where it is no longer possible for a regular person with access to regular people things to even figure out how they would find out if something that they heard on TV was true.

So if a politician tells you,

well,

this bill is bad because it's going to increase the deficit to a point where the country will not recover financially.

And you're like, well, I don't think money is real, but

can't they just...

Even if you took all the premises as there's no way to even find out.

There's no way for somebody to go and find out, like, is that true?

Uh, who is telling me the truth out of the Republicans and Democrats or out of the neocons and the Margot people?

Who is telling me the truth about this, about this, what should be a black and white math problem?

There's no way to know.

And so

we're hopeless on things like sexuality that are so

that are not concrete, that are not tangible.

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No, it's really interesting because even if you examine, there are all of these founding myths, like for BLM, they needed to have that George Floyd thing to really set fire to everything.

actually before the George Floyd thing.

What happened in, who was it?

Michael, what was the person down in Florida?

I can't think of his name.

That was the founding.

Trayvon Martin.

With the Skittles.

With the Skittles.

There's all of these founding myths.

And what they do is they get the media to spread it like fire.

And before people even know what the truth is, everybody is emotionally invested in the lies.

And that's how they do it.

They have to tell you a story that's borderline medieval.

It's like he was chained, he was chained to a fence just for being gay.

George Floyd, he did nothing wrong.

He just saw a black guy and they said, let's choke him out for nine minutes and hope that he dies.

And nothing,

nobody just goes for a moment, wait a second.

I've lived in America a very long time.

I've never seen or heard this thing happen, but the media, they are so good at getting psychologically convincing people that, no, this is exactly how it is.

My British is going to come out now, but

I think this is how this country was founded on a Trumped-up Reddit libertarian hissy fit that was not really all it was cracked up to be, but was the basis for a destructive and a self-harm

story, you know, a founding mythology of a country that ripped out the natural

system of government that is supposed to obtain over men on earth and pulled God out of the system too.

Is this my British coming out?

I know.

There is something a little similar about the way this country was founded to what you're talking about, which might suggest why this country is so vulnerable and

so susceptible to precisely this kind of psychological and political warfare, because it is how the nation knows itself, how it was born, was in

a fit of injustice that was corrected by a few brave men taking a stand.

That's the whole story of America.

Okay, so I'm interested now because this is going to bring us right into the occult and what they actually believe in, because you're right.

The founding of America is an absolute myth.

I'm actually reading a book.

I'm just culted by the French.

But hold on.

What is the book that I'm reading?

The Secret Founding of America.

I'm reading a book, and it's basically just blowing my mind.

And it's telling me that everything you think you know is completely false.

But when I was in study with some priests, they sort of pitch-poshed me.

You know, I was in England studying with some priests, and they were just sort of like, everything that you Americans think you know is so foolish.

Like, America was obviously founded by Freemasons.

And now I'm really understanding, like, yes, you had these Freemason lodges that came over, you know, the Scottish Rite, Beni Bereth, and they, they were the reason behind the Civil War.

They were the reason, but they were literally fighting for control of America.

And the way that they do this is very similar to what we're seeing today.

There's, there's this kind of mainstreamed lie.

I mean, let's get the few ask Americans.

Oh, it was just the tea tax was too high.

And this is what we did.

We started throwing it out in the harbor and we said, we're ready to go to war.

Now that I say it, it sounds so stupid.

Sounds kind of dumb, dumb.

It's kind of wrong.

Sounds kind of dumb.

Basic.

Like I know it was a couple hundred years ago, but people were people.

What?

How much is this tea cost?

Oh, no.

Paul Revere, the British are coming.

It's actually something.

It's gay.

It's gay.

It's and it's gay.

Yeah.

It's implausible.

It is fake and gay.

You literally, now that I'm getting into the Freemasons.

And is it any wonder that a country founded on a fake and gay mythology

would have as its primary export just a couple of hundred years later, sodomy as a condition of foreign aid?

Is it so surprising?

No, it's not.

Not to me.

No, it's not.

But getting into the homosexuality and looking into Benai Barith, this was actually one of the Masonic lodges that Sigmund Freud was a part of.

And that's why it made me think about this because they were definitely very involved in what was happening in the South.

They're very involved in what's happening today.

Benai Barith then became the ADL, the ADL that we had today.

What do they do?

They mainstream lies, right?

They call themselves exactly, they call themselves anti-defamation, but what are they doing?

They're actually defaming people.

They accuse them.

Which is a satanic inversion of the language, precisely as is used in their warfare.

exactly.

And so they are constantly accusing people of exactly what it is that they are.

So they actually,

in their core, by the way, they hate Christians.

Okay.

I would argue that they hate the nuclear family because that comes with everything that comes down right from Christian Dem, like the nuclear family, the idea of a functional family.

And when you look at the things that they're pushing in our society, it's constantly an attack on the family unit.

Let's think about it in terms of Catholic theology, the Transcendentals.

These are those qualities of reality that

all people are drawn to, that

give us a little taste of what our Lord may be like.

And depending on whose theology you read, typically there's four of them: beauty, truth, goodness, and unity, right?

So you often hear religious people talking about the good, the beautiful, and the true, right?

Those are the things that the ADL wages war against, along with all of the other bodies of a similar kind.

They will

celebrate the ugliest statues possible.

They will spread as many lies as possible.

And they will propagate and seek to

enshrine

evil and wretched things, Planned Parenthood, whatever.

The good, the beautiful, and the true.

And of course, they create disharmony and disunity and break people apart.

It is

those things.

I always find it very helpful to think about

the way that the enemy has fought over the last 100 years in this country in terms of those things, the Transcendentals, because

it sort of checks off all the fronts they've been fighting on.

They've been getting it, even if we haven't.

Well, America didn't because it's Protestant,

lost sight of this.

But the bad guys knew exactly what they were doing because they know what Catholics know, which is in just the same way that Satanists know what Catholics know.

They just

do something different, which is that those things tend to go together.

And if you make a society that is beautiful and that tells the truth, it's likely also to be good.

And if you have

somebody who always tells the truth and has good morals, they're probably going to express those things in beautiful language.

These things somehow have a relationship together

because they're all qualities of God, but also because they seem somehow to lead to one another.

And many people come to the faith, especially the Catholic faith, through art, through architecture, through beauty, because they see something in it, they feel something kind of humming behind it.

And that humming is God.

And eventually it tumbles into the good and the true things they find out about God later, but they're drawn in by something objectively,

independently beautiful, eternally beautiful about something that they have seen

or a melody they have heard or

all of those things, you know, the great richness of the of the Western, whatever.

And by unpicking the

mutually reinforcing structure that used to fuel our culture and hold us all together beauty, truth, goodness, and unity, These things that we all thought reflexively that we would, of course, we were all

searching for and

pointing towards by making the world ugly, putting fat girls on the magazines, making the statues horrendous.

Leslie Jones, haven't I suffered for that one?

Lena Dunham.

That wasn't.

Lena Dunham.

What did I do?

She's come back bigger than ever.

In an age of a Zempic, it takes some determination to be that fat.

But she is, it was so intentional for her to do, to, to, to introduce it into the culture, get this deal with HBO.

It's going to be the greatest show ever.

Ugliness.

And then they put her on

every magazine cover.

Oh, it's so brave.

It's so beautiful.

And but there is an element of this.

I really want to underscore this.

The lie, them trying to sell it to us and then say there's something wrong with you if you recoil when you see Lena Dunham naked.

Of course, there's such a thing as objective beauty.

They're trying to teach us that beauty is subject to the beauty of the beautiful

is rocky enough as it is.

Yeah, it's like

I could could do without that.

But seriously, they're trying to train our minds to believe that everything is subjective.

And there's something about that perspective that is fundamentally satanic and demonic and backwards because it's like, no, stop trying to convince me that this really ugly modern contraption that you're calling a building is just as beautiful as when I step into a Catholic cathedral.

And so, and so the Russians understand this, right?

And so, when they talk,

when you hear the KGB guys talking about

demoralization of

a population, right?

They're saying they understand that if you make people say things they know aren't true and support things they know are bad and admire or perform admiration toward things they find ugly, they're going to get depressed.

When you say something that you know to be untrue, I used to talk about this with you.

It makes you feel unsettled.

No, but it's even worse.

It's because there is this culture of that.

I would look under Lena Dunham posting herself like a total slob and people would say, stunning and brave, you know, so beautiful, like you're so

a little piece of you, it does something to your spirit when you speak an untruth like that.

You know that's not true.

Why are you saying that?

And so

when the Berlin Wall fell, everybody was like suddenly Western.

It was because everybody had been lying about what they really believed.

It was called, a sociologist referred to it as preference falsification, right?

All of society, basically everybody, had this incredibly powerful social pressure to all say that they believed and supported this, when in reality, they were like secretly trying to listen to the radio from over there.

So when there's the opportunity, everybody suddenly changes all at once.

And we just saw that again with woke, with trans, with, you know, with Trump coming in,

just this extraordinary, I mean,

I don't know when you will be watching this, but when we recorded it, it was on that happy day.

um that the view was uh reportedly cancelled uh did you see that today no were they actually cancelled i don't think that's right.

Well, I like to believe it, and I'm never going to watch it again, so I'm going to believe that it was cancelled today.

But

it's coming off the back of

Colbert and all that.

So these things are crumbling because the artifice of lies is crumbling, because the infrastructure that requires the wickedness is no longer there.

And so we don't need ugly, untalented,

falsely propped up people on television anymore.

And they're going to have to go rebuild and do something else.

Mark, do you mind looking up and seeing if you can pull that up, up, whether the view was canceled?

I actually haven't.

Oh, Rosie O'Donnell fears the view will be cancelled.

Oh, no, no, no.

So you've ruined my data.

I was hoping the view would be cancelled while Megan McCain was on it, so that she would always think it was her.

But I'm choosing to believe that it was cancelled.

But they are kind of trying to tell us, forgetting about the view, we are seeing that a lot of it is quite like Hollywood.

Howard Stone's contract was canceled.

And these are things that are in themselves lies because they are contracts that are not profitable, but are propped up by other things.

They are lies in themselves.

We got to talk about this because this is, I literally covered this on my show last week.

Barry Weiss.

This is the greatest example of this.

Oh, my God.

The free press.

They are trying to convince us.

Barry Weiss

is worth a quarter of a billion dollars.

They have no views on this.

There's a Jewish word for

saying that your publication, the free press, is worth $250 million.

It's called chutzpah.

No, but everyone is actually investing.

Every billionaire is investing in her.

So let's actually think through this.

What are they doing?

It is so obvious that this publication, if we actually lived in a free market society, would be under.

So technically speaking, things are worth what somebody is willing to pay for them under capitalism.

There's a big buck coming.

But, you know,

so a company's valuation is determined by the

price at which people are willing to buy in, to exchange capital for slices of a company.

And the ratio at which they do that determines what the whole thing is worth.

But

it has been a very long time since people invested in companies solely for profitable returns.

We now live in a very different world.

We live in a late stage.

monopolistic, decadent capitalist

world in which everything is one of of the same five corporations.

So it doesn't matter, and it never will, that that company isn't worth a tenth or a hundredth of what they say.

Because a multinational conglomerate that doesn't care will buy it at that valuation anyway and continue to run it at a loss if they choose to, because it has cultural value.

But it doesn't have any cultural value.

No one's listening to Barry Weiss.

So what are they doing?

Are they pretending?

What they're doing is building the propaganda machinery of tomorrow because

the entire edifice of the prestige media has been so badly damaged and discredited by the last 10 years by themselves, they did to themselves, that there is no publication out there that still commands the respect and

adulation and trust of the public.

Nothing, none of them.

And the ones that do have the most

confidence of the public, we just defunded

NPR and whatnot, which

were coasting on a kind of

authoritative tone to bamboozle people into thinking they were telling the truth uh not really telling the truth but they did you know so we we have a um an enormous uh vacuum in the media landscape that i think they're going to fill by overvaluing and then very quickly in the same way that hedge funds will buy uh you remember all saints that clothing store uh there was sort of there was one in in uh spittlefields or shortage in london and there was one somewhere else and then suddenly they were in every town uh is the hedge fund thing it's the blackstone thing it's the

so they they they buy this and they're gonna just federate it out

Before you know it, there will be 5,000 free press journalists.

I totally agree.

What are they really?

They're not journalists.

They are instruments of propaganda for the state.

Well, Orwell didn't foresee this, but

for that sick mix of state and corrupt capitalism, the revolving door between big pharma, you know, big oil, the military industrial complex and the government, right?

All of it together.

And so those people require a complex, large, and powerful propaganda

system in order to get away with stuff like selling people poison and telling them it's medicine.

And to do that, they need people that the public will more or less, by and large, trust.

So my read on Barry Weiss is that she is the most malleable, controllable, anodyne,

empty-headed, willing to do, say, and be anything

person they could find, and therefore is perfect to head up an organization that will be not a journalistic

institution as we have known them, but rather

a room of broadcasters for rent, depending on who that week needs to persuade the American public of some lies, whether it is the Israel lobby or big pharma.

Okay, so interesting question for you.

A lot of people that are being propped up, a lot of people that have power are, in fact, especially in the media, gay.

They're homosexuals, right?

Barry Weiss, she was married to a man, but now she's married to a woman and having children with a...

Lesbians aren't real.

Yeah, well, lesbians aren't real.

We'll tell that to Barry Weiss.

And what's that?

One thing about her is real.

What do you think of a lot of people that are empowered?

Especially her valuation.

Particularly her valuation.

Yeah, that's why they chose it, you see, but a woman who believes that she's sexually attracted to another woman can believe anything.

I mean, once you, if you're a woman, you convince yourself that you are sexually attracted to another woman.

I mean, even lesbians don't keep it up more than six months after they get married.

It's called lesbian bed death.

They stop having sex completely and they just turn into sort of you know miserable old knitters.

Um, you know, sort of uh, and then and then, of course, the domestic violence starts uh spooling up because

the pretty one gets a boyfriend on the side, and the um, you know, the big ugly dikey one beats the crap out of her twice a week.

Um, because it is what a

dysfunctional disordered arrangement, which is uh guaranteed by virtue of its um uh

cacophony of um uh of mislunging, flailing, mispunching intentions to produce horrors like Dave Rubin's Franken Babies

when

others have thought of it, you know, just like, oh, let's both and then stir it and then see.

Like, oh my God.

Well, I think it'd be even like, okay, so another person in media like you got Don Lemon, you've got

why do you think, based on what we've what we've discussed so far, would you choose Gaze to be the front man?

for the real powerful people whose names you'll never learn and who will never be held accountable because they're so used to playing characters already they'll do whatever you want They'll say whatever you want.

They will actually and in fact inhabit the blade, will believe whatever they need to, and they will be your

endlessly and infinitely malleable

propagandists and figureheads.

Interesting.

Because they are so used already to stitching together things on the fly and

saying things they don't believe and having no idea what the real truth is.

And isn't that just what's happened to the press?

It's come homosexualized, splintered, and we have this now.

We have

chunks of things that kind of sort of work, but

there's nothing at the heart of it.

It doesn't know what it's for.

It's forgotten its role as the fourth estate.

Why?

Because it is

full of gay people doing PR.

Okay, so here's a question for you.

How does the government win by trying to indoctrine everybody into an increasingly more homosexual culture?

Because it's, of course, the government has to win, right?

Because broken, damaged people are far more compliant because they're needier and they're weaker.

So people don't understand why big companies love diversity.

And they're like, well, wouldn't that just like make you less efficient?

And I said, no, no, it's because diverse workforces don't unionize.

Amazon loves diversity because if you have an Italian-American, a Mexican, a Guatemalan, and nobody knows what she is,

they won't get together outside of work and talk about what the boss is doing.

They won't have the same priorities.

They won't have the same way of doing things.

They probably won't even talk at work.

They'll find the other Mexican, or they'll find the other, whatever, or they'll just sort of sullenly do their job and go home.

And this completely divided, fractured, dysfunctional workforce that doesn't represent anything like the old factories or workplaces of the past where people were, you know, invested in each other's careers and kids and took things to the office.

Oh,

I baked today or whatever.

You can't imagine that happening in an Amazon warehouse.

And it doesn't.

Because these workforces are full of people so utterly different from one another who have nothing in common and don't really know how to communicate with one another and don't unless they have to those workforces are neutralized um in in terms of uh political dissent or or or um collective bargaining and amazon will never have to worry about their workers all going out on strike one day because the wages are too low they'll never have to worry about the workforce um having an attack of the vapors or morals saying we don't think we should sell this anymore.

I know it's very profitable for you, but we're not going to pack it.

They never have to worry about that because there aren't four people in that building who have enough in common to have a coffee at lunchtime and say, we really should do something about this.

So in the same way, the government that is intricately involved in the sale and

regulation and

in some cases punishment of a variety of different poisons and drugs and all the rest of it, you know, I mean, they tell, basically, they tell you which ones you can have and they give licenses to companies to profit from it.

The more fractured and the more

dumb and dependent the population is, the more they will need to play ball so that they get their Adderall, so that they get their paycheck, they don't fall behind with

their compound interest payments for the television that they don't own.

So that they, because with everybody living paycheck to paycheck and

surrounded by these addictions and dependencies from their brokenness, from their disorder, from their misery, from their unhappiness, these cushions that they use or these medications or these whatever they are, you know, that they use

to fix their mood from one day to the next.

They need that stuff.

They need it.

And it makes that person, it puts that, it takes that person completely out of the running for social dissonance.

That person can't even take a month off work, let alone go and protest what the government's doing.

And so they become, as we now have have in America, miserable, demoralized wage slaves who are

living in a prison of compound interest debt and who live lives they never wanted and don't and wouldn't choose, but which were sort of provided for them as

an aspirational lifestyle goal by the same press that

does those.

And they can't afford, and they're frightened of

taking that time off and seeing what it would mean.

And then other things begin to happen, which you'll just start noticing now in the last 10, 20 years in America.

Other crazy making things start to happen.

I live in a house.

There's a friend of mine,

a friend of mine owns this house.

It is a 1920s travertine marble and concrete mansion, huge, whacking great thing on top of a hill.

And it is the only house I've ever been in in America that feels solid, like it might be here in 50 years.

Everything else in America,

you must,

having been to Europe so much now with your husband, you you must architecture.

Things just feel like they're going to last.

And you're not wrong.

You're not imagining it.

I always tell this story, people get told this, but my mother

had a corkscrew that she bought in Paris when I was a baby, which she still had when I was 18.

And I know that because I stole it,

that worked fine.

And, you know, we're Brits, so we were drinkers.

I mean, she was using that thing every day.

And it lasted, you can't buy one that lasts a year in America.

I mean, you're lucky if you can farm it that lasts six months, right?

Everything about the built environment is becoming disposable, dispensable, fragile.

The walls are getting thinner, so you can hear the people next to you.

And you might have somehow managed to beat the economics of 2025 and buy yourself a house, but that house is falling apart the moment it's finished.

Things are peeling.

The workmanship is terrible.

The materials are terrible.

Everything is done in a slipshod fashion.

And

it makes people terrified of

taking risks because so much about their life is uncertain, or painful, or uncontrollable, or chaotic already.

And so, you know, you have people trapped in this jail

trying to keep abreast of repairs on their house, repairs on the car.

I mean, every consumer device now is

$2,000 or $3,000 in brakes, you know?

That is not all right.

But every single thing is like it now.

I was looking for trip planner by Expedia.

You were made to outdo your holiday,

your hammocking,

and your pooling.

We were made to help organize the competition.

Expedia, made to travel.

Americans definitely have been kind of taught, sorry to cut you off, but Americans sort of have been taught to like embrace this new, new, new culture.

Stainless steel, everything is so clinical.

But but it's sold as um a a signifier of wealth when anybody from a truly wealthy family

will tell you that is this sign of poverty of only being able to afford something that doesn't last you know uh when when uh black americans were first emancipated and they were building these new lives black consumers in america in the 1950s and 60s

went into department stores and bought the best that they could afford, the best brands, the best quality brands, because they knew it had to last, because they were building a life, like a life that had a future.

They were looking ahead to their children having

a destiny in America, and they wanted to build something real and something

with foundation, right?

You hear a lot of black grandmas these days talking about that's your foundation, right?

It's a big word that you hear like maybe two generations up in black America.

That's your foundation.

Ayan La says it a lot, you know, the Ayanla Van Zahn.

The consumers in the 1950s, if you worked in a department store, you would know if a black couple came in or a wife, she wanted the,

not the most ostentatious one, but the very best quality brand,

better than the white people would buy, and she was going to look after it, take care of it, have it for 20 years.

That's what you do when you have an investment in the future.

That's what you do when you have hope for the future.

That's what you do when you're building.

something that will be a legacy for you know for for for generations to come what we have now especially in white working class America, where the raison d'être of the town is gone as well as everything falling to pieces, but really just in the country generally, is this

flattening and cheapening of all our life through this fake,

oh, wealthy people just throw it away when they're done with it.

You know, the sort of

this wealth mythology.

that Americans have been sold.

Like, if you can just buy another one, that means you're doing well, right?

It doesn't matter that it broke or whatever,

or that you buy, like I was thinking at,

I'm a cat person.

I was looking at those robots, you know, that,

because, you know, I'm not touching litter and my, you know, my maid can't be there every day.

Oh, yeah, the litter robots.

Yeah.

And the leader in the market, which costs $700, and they've been making these things since 1990, killed two cats three months ago.

They still haven't got it right.

They still don't make it right.

You know, I either take it off the market or don't build cheap.

And the reason is that it was built so cheaply that the magnets kind of fell over it.

It's like trapped and killed.

Because even things that are designed to go in your home for the benefit of living creatures are made with such contempt and carelessness and yet priced so astronomically

as to make everyone crazy.

And it has made everyone crazy.

And even in regards to food, kind of this idea about like, well, we can feed more people.

What are you feeding them?

You're feeding them crap.

Nothing is ancestral anymore.

That's what I always say about America.

Nothing is ancestral.

When you say ancestral, I mean even if you think about people's families, that people don't know where they come from anymore, right?

So there's nothing that has any substance.

There's nothing that has that foundation.

You can't imagine the world before they were born.

And they're trying to speed that up.

And that is the danger that I see in AI.

It's the reason why, while everyone else is sort of embracing this, people are

giving the

heroes welcome when Elon Musk

joined the administration.

I'm sitting here going, this is terrible.

This is not a good idea.

He actually believes in transhumanism.

Okay.

What is the difference between

his grandfather?

His granddaughter.

His grandfather was a part of this sort of transhumanist movement in Canada.

This is difficult for me because I'm going blind and I have about five or six years of vision left.

And so

his chip is probably the only thing that's hold out any hope of me being able to make money.

No, you don't ever give your government access to your brain.

The problem is...

We already have given the government access to your brain and look at what's happening.

The problem is somebody could put me in pastels without me knowing.

And

so I have some way to go in my recovery.

No, no, but

his thing is

just about the only.

I saw a woman writing of that on the screen.

I was like, oh, that's one of those,

that's like Christ in the desert, kind of like a glass of water kind of territory.

And it's like, oh, I must have it.

Really, really

mesmerizing, alluring, kind of sickening sort of

an inducement, of an enticement, you know.

That's how they get you.

Yes.

Yes, of course.

I I was amused to see that the latest iteration of self-driving cars is consistently turning people straight into oncoming traffic.

It's like, yeah, even

though they're not.

Even the cars want to kill themselves.

It's like, this is the whole thing.

It's like they want to control every aspect of your life, including your brain.

So it's not enough to just fill your mind with propaganda and lies every single day.

Now they're like, actually, open up your mind.

And

what could possibly go wrong?

You have these people who found, like, the foundation of that transhumanist thought was the idea that they're like, hey, we don't actually believe in democracy.

We think too many people are stupid.

We are the smart people.

Allow us to rule the world.

Actually, his grandfather, particularly Elon Musk's grandfather or great-grandfather in Canada, was a part of the technocratic movement, right?

So they believed in a technocracy.

This is my problem with America.

When you rip out God and the king, you can't replace it with the stars and stripes and a couple of slogans.

You can't just say, oh, freedom,

Fourth of July, and think that

an entire intricate system of human governance and flourishing and culture and faith that was all leading, tending up toward that

capstone

on earth as it is in heaven, an earthly reflection of the heavenly order, the aristocracy and the king, the angels and our Lord.

Rip that out of the heart of the system and expect everything to be okay because you don't just get rid of it.

You make room for something worse to move in.

Right.

And Hollywood, the king, the king, and the queen, the Beyoncés, the Jay-Zs.

You see people worshiping Hollywood.

And the problem is that if you have a bad king,

you're not supposed to, but you can kill him.

You can assassinate him, and people do.

When there's a crazy, cruel, terrible king who's doing absolutely insane things, somebody kills him eventually.

But if you don't know the names of the people who rule over you, because they're all hiding behind the rippling stars and stripes, like this, making a fortune from you,

poisoning you, lying to you, experimenting on you,

mutilating your children or convincing you to do it.

This is when the Russians said that we'll know that America is conquered when people don't just recognize that people will see their chains, love them and ask for more.

And don't we live in that situation now where we've got parents asking doctors to mutilate their own kids just to relieve their own consciences of

whatever it was that they messed up during parenting?

Or for even worse reasons.

I mean, the things that single mothers are prepared to teach their kids, there's almost no depth to

the horror of it.

1776 does not make America a free of monarchy.

It just means you don't know who's in charge and you'll never be able to hold them accountable.

Who do you think is in charge?

Good question.

It seems obvious to me from everything we know about empires and

long-lasting cultures, how and

when they fall, how and when they do it, the characteristics that it has.

I think we can see in that

hints about the perpetual elite class that seems to kind of exist throughout these.

Because

those are the excesses I think that the

elites embody that

they can do, but when it permeates down to the rest of society, things fall apart.

So at the end of Rome, you know, you have the Visigoths sacking the city, and the senators are not doing what they're supposed to do uh uh they're not in the senate they're out with um uh child prostitutes or their uh gay orgies or their whatever uh when you start to see that the um i think that um camille palia who we're not supposed to quote anymore because people keep finding things about um uh man-boy love in her books but other than that she's pretty good on most subjects um

when she she she she talks about this she talks about the things that that civilizations have in common just before before

every single one of them has a trans craze all of them every single great empire, every single great culture that has ever existed in the history of human civilization has had some kind of gender, queer, or male-female sex confusion right before the end.

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Well, this is why I've been quite interested in what the theology is that's guiding this, because I think these people keep surviving.

You know, they're at the top and then they kind of reinvent themselves and they get at the top again.

And then, and America is getting very close.

And the more that I examine getting back to Sigmund Freud and Hollywood, what was super interesting to me is to learn that the guiding theology seems to be the Kabbalah.

And when you think about what the Kabbalists believe, and part of it is oral tradition, so we'll never really know what they believe, but Sigmund Freud was a Kabbalist,

at least if David Bakan and other historians are to be believed, there is this combination of a man becoming the woman.

And in Hollywood Babylon, it talks about how we imported, which is where Sigmund Freud was living and working in Vienna.

They altveened this old Vienna culture.

Yes, yes, yes.

Literally came over.

They were bringing them over, these literal pedophiles.

And Marlene Dietrich trying to tell women in America, which they did successfully, you should be wearing pantsuits, making these people seem iconic.

Like, oh my gosh, she's blending

the male.

Don't come for Marlena Dietrich.

That's going to make me fear.

Yeah, no, she was one of them.

They brought her over.

They found her in older.

No, you have to.

She gave me part of this.

I don't know what it took for me to let go of dinosaurs.

And it took me years to

let go of dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs is hard for guys.

Jurassic Park is like the

aside from

getting raped, it is the seminal moment of my childhood.

Sorry, but dinosaurs.

Going to see Jurassic Park in the movies for the first time.

I watched that movie 500 times.

I'm not exaggerating.

Dinosaurs.

They just love them so much.

Oh, we love them so much.

Why?

You like the idea of them.

I know that movie backwards.

I know every line of dialogue.

I taught myself.

You remember where she's, this is a Unix system.

I know this.

Lex,

the computer geek girl who

figures out how to lock the doors when the velociraptors all right okay you don't know but when the velociraptors are are um hunting them in the visitor center right towards the end she figures out how to how to uh close the doors like i bought a computer like that and taught myself i i i it was like that was

such

a penetrating

thing for me that jurassic park and dinosaurs like i wanted to um use the same computer they had in the movie i had my like i had it on my it was everywhere it was and i still love it and i still have a soft spot.

And to let go of dinosaurs is very difficult.

I'm not quite ready for Marlena Dietrich.

You know, you need to be ready for that because I'm telling you, she was imported over here by a bunch of German pedophiles for a reason.

And then when you look at the pictures of her with Pierre Berget, Yves.

Yeah, Yves Saint-Laurent, Pierre Léger, all of these people who are interested in bending the gender and fashion, the whole fashion, Balenciaga, the kids.

I mean, this is now that I'm getting into the culture of Brigitte and who Brigitte was friends with, and all of them just happened to have a thing for, you know, kids, you've been

French designers, and I've been very reassured by my instincts to discover that when I return to my wardrobe, it is Dolce Gabbana, Versace, Laura Piano.

It's all Italian.

Yeah, I haven't, yeah, I haven't seen it.

They have different problems, but they have different problems, yeah.

But the French designers, the French designers all have

harems of catamaries.

Yep, and they absolutely loved Marlene Dietrich for a while.

Although I don't think that Karl Lagerfeldt did, actually.

I think Karl Lagerfeldt was gay, but I don't think he was into it.

I think he was one of the few that wasn't.

And the way that I know that is because he was

very unrepentantly and joyfully

racist and sexist and unPC, and he didn't seem to be part of the cult of conformity and have, you know, he didn't have anything in common with the other people.

I need to believe this, okay?

I will say this.

He has not yet come up in my research.

So there's that.

So you have.

But the fashion industry really was built upon.

You have to allow me my fictions.

Yeah, because I'll go crazy without them.

I'll I'll allow Karl Augerbald to be your dinosaur.

We mentioned, no, I'm going to say, I'll let him be your dinosaur.

We mentioned on the last show that your radical skepticism is the only rational position in a world like ours.

But I am a romantic.

I'm with a capital R,

and

I can't go on with everything taken.

I must have my own.

Well, Yves Saint Laurent and Pierre Verger were into defecation during sex.

So that's why

them and every Saudi.

I mean, if you, so if you've ever seen anyone on Instagram that's kind of impossibly beautiful and usually

mostly unclothed, that's a prostitute.

They are escorts.

And those people go to Dubai a couple of times a year to have the most extraordinarily depraved things done to them in exchange for this is what these fashion designers were into.

And so this is as I'm researching.

And sadly, this came up when I was learning about Emmanuel Macron

and the cast of characters around them, but learning what they were into, and a lot of their male prostitutes then spoke up and their sex sex slaves.

They had these sex slaves.

But it is quite sunny.

I bring this up only to really underscore that our entire society, Hollywood, right, was shaped.

We were literally all being unwittingly indoctrinated into a culture of homosexuality, transgenderism, you know, the belief of the male and the female coming together to form one.

Because if you lose France, you lose Chanel and Dior.

And those are girl brands.

Whereas Italy, I mean, it would be devastating to lose Italian shoes.

I'm now convinced.

So it's worse for women to lose France because France is the pinnacle of female fashion.

It's the home of haute couture, right?

So, you know, you want one of those extraordinarily expensive dresses cut just for you by women.

And you should read what they were doing.

Like, they thought it was inspiring them to be with these young people.

I can imagine.

It ruins everything.

It should be for long enough, I can imagine.

Yeah, exactly.

And this sadistic treatment of of women, putting them, you know, the whole model culture and fashion, whatever, which sometimes is directed at the beautiful and sensual and pleasing, but more often these days is a kind of ugly humiliation and debasement.

The things that...

And this is, oh, no, we're going to give up Tyra Banks as well because she's part of this.

This is what I'm saying.

I can't handle this much truth.

But we know this.

It's like, you know, you look at it now and we're like, okay, yeah, everybody in the fashion industry is gay.

But we didn't have to do that.

But the humiliation that they put women through, the cruelty they put the women through in fashion, the gay men, why?

Because

they're visiting the,

they know that their moms did it to them.

Oh, I have a question.

Yeah, I was going to ask you this.

So something that I have noticed, gay men hate women.

Too many of them, not all of them, obviously.

But what I'm saying is that there is a certain level of vitriol that is reserved

for women.

Where does that come from?

I don't understand it.

It is, they lash out at other women because they can't at their mothers who did it to them.

So when

I have this, I have it.

I have it.

I'm not proud of it.

I mean, sometimes I am because it's funny, and then I have to kind of catch myself.

Just the other day, I took more pleasure than I should, more pleasure, certainly than was charitable, in sharing the sexual history and peccadillos of some turning point influencer.

And I found myself posting a picture of a man she had public sex with at a TPUSA party

saying,

I really shouldn't post this.

She is getting married in 11 days.

She was.

I mean, in retrospect, yes, it is still funny.

And

you could make a case that it's justified, but

I didn't do it because I wanted to improve the moral standing of women.

I did it because it was mean.

Why do gay men have a mean streak?

It's because

a wound that will never heal at the heart of every gay person made

by their mothers

who,

for instance, so you know that there's a higher self-reported incidence of homosexuality in black and Jewish

among black and Jewish Americans.

Yes.

Guess why, right?

Well, I definitely have noticed that it's a high incident of a lot of gay people that are Jewish.

And black?

Black people, I'd imagine, because of prison.

No.

Well, yes, fatherlessness.

Yes.

So if you have no male role models, it's bad enough.

But that's not what black kids experience.

Black kids experience a steady drip feed of poison from their own mothers about the male role models they should have had

who made them.

And eventually the mothers will start visiting this stuff on the sons when the sons become sufficiently like their dad.

When they start having sex, when they start getting girlfriends, mom starts treating the son.

What about Jewish people?

Because their families are together.

What is it?

Think about the Jewish marriages that you know.

Think about the couples.

You have almost almost exclusively, you have larger-than-life, raucous women with nebbish, scholarly, quiet men who take almost no interest in the raising of the children,

and the women who are

so unbearably, exhaustingly exasperating that he the husbands just let them make all the decisions about how the house goes, right?

And how the the house is run.

I like to compare Jewish weddings to, Jewish marriages to lion taming.

You have, you know, you have this little guy and this,

and

it's unlike the female suffrage, let's say, in London,

where it's the men granting it to the women.

The women are asking for it, but it's the men that have to give it to them.

It was Jewish women who appointed themselves rabbis, who said,

my husband's an idiot.

I could be a rabbi.

No, the Jewish women weren't behind the feminist movement in America.

They were behind the revolution in Russia.

So overbearing mothers and absent, inadequate, or neglectful fathers, that's a recipe for homosexuality.

Just as much as some other more

physically traumatic or psychologically traumatic events might be.

That particular combination, the overbearing, micromanaging mother who thinks she knows best, but does not know what a boy needs.

And the father who's useless or absent, or in my case, is a killer.

That's how you make gays.

Crap dads and omnipresent octomom, not octomom, but we know what I mean.

Boys, especially, they need a father or some kind of male role model.

Women cannot raise boys by themselves.

They don't know what men need to

form platonic relationships with other men because those moms never have themselves.

They've only ever bounced from unsatisfactory boyfriend to unsatisfactory boyfriend.

And in most cases, don't have a good relationship with their own brothers and fathers.

It's actually so interesting.

I think the biggest question you can ask anyone is what the relationship is like with their mother and their father, because this is the reason why they're attacking family.

Because when you come from a nuclear family, a healthy family dynamic, a mother and a father.

They're vulnerable to 90% of the warfare.

Yeah, that they're trying to.

Think about the Catholic family.

They want to enslave us.

So it's like the easiest way to enslave any

people

for their families.

Think about the Catholic families you know who aren't converts but have been like going to the parish for like 20 years, right?

How unreachable they are

by

lizzo

or

campus rape culture or transgender

whatever.

If they were even to hear of such things, which of course they do from time to time, they would regard regard it with a mixture of pity, horror, and amusement.

They are completely immunized against it because they have their needs met by an authentic relationship with our Lord and each other, a healthy family, right?

Because they have no,

or at least less, fewer, dysfunctions, diseases,

mental illnesses.

Of course, the vast majority of mental illnesses is just guilt from sin.

They have less of that because they're going to confession every week.

They don't need the B system.

They don't need the drugs.

They don't need to be lied to.

They don't need the mood fixes.

They don't need a car that's

not even nice, but just expensive looking and expensive

and

flimsy and on credit.

You know,

those Catholic families where everybody's, you kind of almost feel awkward to be around them.

It's like, everybody's like so well behaved.

You know,

just don't say shit.

Don't say shit.

You know,

in my brain, of course, it it gets much worse than that.

You know, I'm just like, the most depraved thing I can think of pops into my head and I just have to leave.

But they're not tempted.

They always drive, what do you call it?

They drive hoopties, you know, because that's all you need.

It's like, who cares?

Those people who have

a strong family and God, they don't need anything that the devil is selling.

So true.

You know, it's funny, going back to what you were saying about the

Transcendentals, I think about about this even in regards to music.

So I can't listen to the music that I used to listen to.

Suddenly the cursing sounds very harsh to me in my ears.

What have you gone off?

What did you used to like and don't know?

Well, I used to be able to listen to, I still have it on my phone, but like a lot of

swearing, a lot of rap.

Well, I listen to everything.

I've always listened to everything.

I mean, I grew up listening to Lauren Hill and like Whitney Houston.

I was definitely respectable.

Right, exactly.

But what I mean is that I used to be able to mix in.

I would almost say I actually started listening to more rap music when I got into college, you know, and even

I mean, so many different songs.

Even if I go back and listen to when I left Christina Aguilera, right?

Like a girl, normal teenage.

But there's something off about her now, isn't there?

When you go back and listen to it, I'm like, this is so

sensual.

And she was 17 years old.

She's calling herself a genie in a bottle that needs to be rubbed.

And I'm like, this is pornography for years.

I'm a genie in a bottle that got to rub me the right way.

Yes.

And she was 17 years old.

And when you see the dirty video and you realize that this is a girl who has been wrecked by the entertainment industry and they then use her damage to sell sex in a different way.

Ariana Grande, I've bended all night, I bend it all day.

And when you actually abstain, it takes very,

when you begin abstaining, it isn't unlike a recovery and that it, your ears repair, your brain repairs,

and then, but then what do I understand?

I've never been on a diet, but I understand that.

But like, yeah, if you stop listening to it, even if you stop listening to it, if you want people listening at home, challenge yourself to stop listening to maybe all music, right?

For

let's call it a month, and then go back and try to listen to something with expletives.

And you suddenly go,

and you know why?

You know why?

It's Aristotle.

Habits become character.

We're creatures of routine and habit.

That's why we have to do the rosary, why we have to go to mass on Sundays.

It's why church is a regular commitment and not a one-off.

It's why we have to, it's why

we're encouraged to do these rituals, right?

It's why Catholicism is so good for drug addicts, snapping out of it, because you you can replace the bad rituals of the drugs and sex with the

wholesome rituals of things like the Rosary, right?

The Angelus, whatever.

We are creatures of habit.

Indeed, half the species are creatures of a literal cycle,

a repeating

period of time that dictates everything about all of our lives, but is also

the primary way in which we measure time, the seasons, the months, you know.

Because of the natural cycle of womanhood, women find it especially easy to follow.

So it's always women that you will find, you know, at the back of church doing their rosaries like every day at the same time.

Men find it difficult to be consistent about that sometimes because they're, you know, out here doing this, this, that, and wherever.

But we're creatures of habit.

And so we can make ourselves,

you can get better.

You can get better.

What have you been drawn to that you didn't used to listen to that you do now?

And then I'm going to tell you a crazy story about

what happened to me me when I stopped being gay.

But

what have you, what have you like,

what have you sort of started going, okay?

A lot of things.

Well, first and foremost, I would say I did not when we first got married, and my husband loves the chanting, the Gregorian chants.

It's difficult, isn't it?

It's a lot to take.

It's a lot to take in.

It is.

Even I have trouble with it.

The Anglican tradition is so much more, you know, like the Royal Wedding music,

I was glad.

You know, all that the grand, wonderful kind of pomp and ceremonies.

And

that is so much easier to listen to

than the survival.

Look, a lot of Catholics have trouble with Gregorian chant.

It is, for me, I still find it more of a meditative aid than a pleasure I seek out.

Right.

But I think one of the things that I've noticed, though, is just kind of, which was what Bishop Bear wrote in his book, which I think was actually a major contributor to me wanting to be Catholic, was when he said that anything that becomes broken and becomes away from being whole gets closer to the devil, right?

So if you start to break down a family, if you start to break down music, if you take down, if you take anything and you start to fracture it, the more fractured it becomes, the closer it becomes to the devil, right?

Holy

syncopation.

So syncopation in that.

The thing about holy is also W-H-O-L-L-Y, right?

It can be holy or holy, but you want something to be whole, right?

And what the devil is constantly trying to do is to fracture things, like whether it's to fracture the family.

Yeah, well, I now think of these two terms not unlike each other.

When I think of holy and I think of holy, well, the reason, yes, I think that you

have to be the family unit to be together.

You want the church to be together.

Even if you got Protestantism, what is it?

It's the constant breaking down.

Okay, well, this was the church.

Now we're this.

And then they break from them.

And then they break from them.

And then it's just constantly painting.

The greatest sin you can commit, aside from suicide, perhaps, is schism to break.

The way that I think about it, which I think is this, I think we're saying the same thing, is the natural law that underpins our

religious injunctions is everything

is that things are are correct when everything is performing the function for which it was intended, everything in its right place, you know?

And so

when things

are lifted out from or broken apart from their natural habitat and their natural function, they set off chain reactions of things going wrong.

For homosexuality being an example,

but also, you know, there's all kinds of

ways in which

Christians will say, you know, let one sin and the others will follow.

And they're describing the runaway effects of breaking a bit off.

And that's exactly what happens to gay personalities

in a psychiatric sense.

And it's what happens to

families.

If the government can do it, they'll do it.

You know,

some of the sickest and most depraved things that the government does are things that most viewers of your program probably won't know about, and people like us will never encounter directly in our lives.

The ways in which the government government treats people

when they are down on their luck and trying to rebuild some semblance of a family unit,

the

penalties, the financial penalties, and the threat of homelessness that is dangled over the heads of single mothers should they make the mistake of getting a boyfriend,

you know, who could be a dad to their child, who could be a husband for them, who could, you know, who knows, but obviously soon,

whatever.

But

they're seeking something

more wholesome, more coherent, more

closer to, you know, and the state, you know, there's so many people in this situation where if you're a single mom and you have a kid, you're going to lose,

if there's suddenly a live-in man, like you have a boyfriend around too much, you could lose your social housing and you could lose some or part of your welfare.

Like the perverse incentives that the system has set up for the only possible reason is to keep those people exactly where they are.

Exactly, to enslave people.

The great society, exactly.

Exactly where they are.

Which is exactly what it was.

They mainstreamed welfareism by saying to women, hey, like, it's a negative incentive, but don't marry the father.

They actually used to send people around to examine the homes to make sure there was no man living there, to make sure that it was a single woman.

It still happens.

Wow.

It still happens.

Not, you know,

I've acquired through my former marriage some

marriage, you know, from my former relationship, some

cousins in Philly who live, you know, much closer to that kind of

life than I do.

And it still happens.

And people live in fear of improving their lot,

of making wholesome, good choices designed to make their lives and their kids' lives healthier, wealthier, happier, more successful, because

they're afraid that they'll get they're afraid that they won't be able to survive in the in the gap that's that the

savagery of the welfare system creates.

And it's all on purpose, and it's all designed to keep them exactly where they are.

Single mom with a kid at home.

The kid, therefore, is being raised by

haridins, termagants, and witches at school.

And the mom is just too wrapped up in keeping the plate spinning to be able to think too much about what their child will be,

what their aspirations might look like, or

where the family will be in 10 years.

She's exhausted and she still doesn't make all the bill payments every month.

And the kid is slowly being raised by

these

demons in schools with pink hair and pride flags.

Told if they're a little bit fruity, a little bit how do you do, a little bit light in the loafers, sugar in the tank, as we say,

that they're not gay, from which there is a possibility of

but they need to have their penis chopped off.

And mom is so tired and addicted to her prescription medication and so exhausted and confused and unhappy, miserable,

and just

demoralized and deflated that she goes along with it and even maybe finds some comfort in it because she didn't want to be the woman on the block with a gay kid.

And that is a deliberate construction of the people that we're talking about.

The people behind, you know, the Anderson Coopers and the Don Lemons and the

Witches of the View

now gratefully cancelled.

It's cancelled.

Just say it's cancelled.

If I ever see a TV guide, I'll just,

so my maid has been told anything that comes in a windowed envelope, just throw it away.

I started doing this 10 years ago and nothing bad happened.

So I just kept doing it.

It's brilliant.

You know, if you, if you like, really, really owe somebody money, you find out about about it eventually.

So,

yeah, so I have all these kind of silly rules that just keep me amused.

So, I'm going to have,

I'll have the view cut out, the TV guide downstairs.

It doesn't exist.

It's gone.

It's gone.

It doesn't exist.

I don't see it.

But no,

these terrible situations that so many people are in that have been architected

by

instruments of the Prince of the Power of the Air.

You know,

it's tough to look at America and not think that we are

at that precipitous crisis, at that moment of collapse that other

empires have experienced.

Ten years ago, Douglas Murray, who used to be so much more interesting than he is now, unfortunately,

said we're going to be squabbling over transgender pronouns when the mullahs nuke us.

And, you know, what he was getting at was this sort of decadent preoccupation with things we shouldn't even be discussing, a little and figuring out what the right answer is, while we lose sight of self-preservation and sanity and sense and everything else.

It's very difficult to look out and not just say, you know what, I'm going to go to church and make sure I'm good with God and stay away from everybody.

I've struggled with that because I had a,

as most people know, I had a little hiccup in 2017 where I was

found myself on national television apologizing for being raped.

Yeah, we should talk about that.

Maybe not, maybe not.

We don't need to get into the big situation.

But the point being, I had some time to think.

Yeah.

And it's been very hard for me to motivate myself to do anything in the public eye.

Now, I have a new career now, which I like a lot more, and I am much more content than ever I was before.

But of course, from time to time, people will say, why don't you do this?

Why don't you do that?

It's been very difficult to motivate myself to get excited about any ideas.

And been big money on the table at times for me to do a show or something.

I'm just like, what was the point?

I mean, Jesus is coming back in like 20 minutes.

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But do you, do you find, I think that if you're good at writing and you're good at speaking and you understand the world the way that you understand it and the problems that are, and to have experienced a lot of what you've experienced, I mean, I'm not trying to get you to speak about your sexual abuse, but I'm just saying like to have lived that

and to have then lived a life of homosexuality and then to say, okay, I woke up one day and I realized that I wanted to get into heaven.

Do you not think it's just as important?

Because like you said, you're not going to be able to do that.

So if I haven't suffered enough, I also have a moral responsibility for the morning.

But don't you feel the feeling?

But But don't you feel exactly my worry?

But don't you feel that, like, if you, like you said, I really, I deeply regret that I was, you know, I'm married and I'm representing this homosexual life.

She's a child.

She's clever.

She remembered this.

Yeah, when you said that, you were so wily.

You're so wily.

Why wouldn't you want to do the opposite and speak about these things?

You're so tricky and just be honest about everything that you've lived through and what you've done so that people can learn from you.

Because if I say, if I get onto a platform and I say, you know, homosexuality, you know, you'll start living a life of sin.

It may not have, if you're a person who's dealing with homosexuality, or you're a person who's in school and someone's telling you you are a homosexual, and maybe you don't feel like you are homosexual,

they may need to hear it from somebody else who's lived that life.

I will say this.

I have

had, I've lived a life of immense privilege, unearned genetic advantage.

You know, I've really, I know, I've had everything very easy.

And there have been a few things that have happened to me in my life that have been genuinely terrible and that

most people probably wouldn't have dealt with like I did.

Maybe it's because I didn't have anything else to worry about, or maybe I've just built a resilient.

But

finding somebody for the first time in 35 years that you think is the first person in your life that loves you back and that

you finally don't feel so alone and thinking, well, I might be this, but at least I'm kind of whatever.

And then having to give that person up because you realize you're living

a life that's simply not acceptable to God and see what it does to that person's life and what it does to your life.

That was the worst thing that I've ever done to another person.

Leaving your, leaving your life.

Leaving my worst thing that's ever happened to me and the worst thing I've ever done to another person.

And the worst thing about it was he knew already, because of course you do when you care about somebody, you can see things happening.

It was messing with you spiritually.

He could sense that.

He knew that I wasn't in the room anymore.

I wasn't present in the room anymore and that I was having

some kind of crisis

about

that part of my life.

And he knew already and he'd already come to terms with it and he'd done his grieving for the relationship.

So I'm there like, I've just ruined this person's life and they're being really nice to me and asking me if i'm okay because i'm not uh

and so that was horrible and and you know the priest thing i said i shouldn't say it again and get canceled for another 10 years but i will um

in common with a lot of people that this happens to i didn't perceive it as being as bad at the time as the effect it i now realize it had on me right it wasn't like a it wasn't a a violent, brutal situation, right?

And I didn't know until after I got cancelled.

thanks um you know when I had that time you had started loving your victim not loving your not your oppressor I mean like that I didn't realize that it was responsible for so much of me that was wrong right and and what it had done to me I thought I kind of got away with it I even sort of thought well kind of think I was sort of the sexual aggressor in that situation you know I didn't realize what it had the the the what it had left me with

to to to have that and then you know the husband and then and then I have I have a lot of health problems now too

going blind and God knows what else.

Uh,

I used to joke with my spiritual director that, um, uh, when I get to heaven, I'm going to march up to our Lord and say, uh, I want an apology, say you're sorry.

And he says, Um, well, our Lord will outstretch his hands and you will see his stigmata, and you will feel profoundly ashamed for the uh fraction of a second uh before you plunge down into the lake of fire.

Uh, don't do that when you get to heaven.

I'm just kidding, uh, but I have felt like that sometimes.

I have had that difficult relationship where I'm like, Haven't you done enough?

Like, are we not good?

Like, uh, enough.

And I've said to a few people recently, which always upsets them, but I mean it.

It's like, I'm ready to be with Jesus.

Like, I'm tired.

Like, I'm good.

But I have a feeling, and there's a reason for this, which is a horrible, gruesome reason that you won't want to hear, but I'm going to tell you anyway.

That unfortunately, I think he has plans for me to be here for many decades yet, doing something along the lines you suggest.

When I, all gay sex is a humiliation, is an exercise in humiliation and in self-harm.

In my case, it was particularly so

of wanting to be physically subjugated by a much stronger, larger man.

And I settled on African-American men as being the

sort of athletic, hyper-masculine thing that was doing it for me.

And in the course of, you know,

over 20 years, I guess it would be 20, yeah, 20 years of being an active homosexual.

I mean, I had a lot of sex and a lot of unprotected sex with a lot of people from a group

where half of all of them get AIDS.

50% of gay black men get HIV.

And I've done the math.

And it

breaks every law of maths, physics, biology, and chemistry that I don't have HIV.

It is mathematically impossible that I don't have it, but I don't.

And that is.

That is a god thing.

Yeah.

That is a god thing.

Because it would have been an easy way out.

Oh, yeah, yeah, fine show.

You're going to spread that misery around to others, be a participant in their

sin as well.

You know, because

you're two people doing it to each other at the same time as you're doing it to yourself.

And then you're going to make it okay to be a gay Republican, which is really bad, Mila.

And then you're just going to, you're just going to get to that.

No, no, you've got five long decades of making it.

So I know, I know.

Yeah.

I'm dragging my feet at the moment because I'm enjoying this kind of

interregnum fiction of being retired when in actual fact, you know who I work for, and I'm like working like a dog all day, every day.

But I enjoy the, you know, I always like to make it look easy.

So

I always try to have an air of studied nonchalance.

So

I like to have this,

I have this sort of

thing I like.

Oh, no, I'm retired.

I'm retired.

I'm retired.

Sorry, you don't deserve me.

I'm retired.

But I know that at some point it will have to happen.

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, I would definitely.

Like Augustine, not yet.

Well, you'll know.

I think you'll know when the moment comes.

I think God puts people in certain, in their path for a reason, and I think you've lived in the world.

Right now, I know he wants me to do what I'm doing now because the person I'm working for needs me in certain ways.

And

I know that I have to finish that task.

But after that, it'll be time to return to my duties.

Yeah, exactly.

I think so.

And next time, you're going to be, I think you're going to be completely sober in a few years.

Sober from everything.

I'll never be that.

Now, come on.

The English can get sober.

I'm British.

It's like saying, go to a therapist.

It's ridiculous.

What we do instead is we bury it.

We bury it.

We bury it.

We drink and we invade Ghana.

No,

there will never be a day when I don't.

You know, I'm getting better.

I will say this.

Look, Adderall got me off cocaine.

I continually take steps in good, positive, healthy directions.

I found myself being irritated with the fact that...

uh a medication i was on was getting in the way of my prayer life and i was like oh my god who am i

who have I become?

Uh, it's just because I was like stumbling over my words, and I was like, This is annoying.

Oh, God, you know, pick the pick the narcotics or the or the blessed mother.

Milo, who are you?

Um, so so I have confronted with those kinds of things now, and normally don't disappoint myself.

Uh, but you will prize a Pinot Gregio out of my cold dead hands, girl.

Uh, it is, it is part of our holiest ceremony.

Um, uh, uh, wine is, is part, is it is, it is a, uh, uh, it is, um, the substance that our Lord has chosen to manifest in.

It is

drinking is Catholic.

Catholics drink.

That's all there is to it.

I have never trusted teetotal people.

I regard anybody who doesn't drink with extreme suspicion and

contempt, honestly, to be honest with you, which is brilliant everyone in America.

But

nobody drinks anymore.

I was very reassured to hear that you had a glass of wine under social pressure, which means that you are not one of those people.

I did have a glass of wine under social pressure.

You did, you did.

But one solitary glass of wine your whole life is not going to do too much damage, especially.

But

that's reassuring because it means you're not one of the bad guys.

But there are people who would have said no.

Honestly, now I probably would say no.

It's just part of being a mom.

You've got to be up to the bottom of the body.

I have to be up early with the cats, but I am still going to drink myself to sleep.

No, look,

I'm not going to say that I have like the perfect

clean and pious life.

I don't.

But I will say um,

within very narrow limits, uh, I do, you know, I do like a drink, whatever.

And, and to some extent, it is a, I'm not making excuses for, you know, this is classic sinner move about to happen here.

Well, really, it's because it stops me doing this worst thing, uh, but it does.

Uh, you know, the fact that you know, having a couple glass of wine, go to sleep, uh, instead of being up all night like I would have been before, uh, and 3 a.m.

when the, you know, 3 a.m.

is the witching hour for your libido, you know,

Instead, having drifted off nicely after a whiskey with a cat in my arm and a book on my lap, that for me is a way better way to end the day than spending six hours tossing and turning, wrestling with the semen demon.

So,

sorry.

So

I have to call them that because

I found that the most effective way to leave things behind was to make them ridiculous.

So that it was sort of preposterous that I can't even imagine myself doing it.

Like sex with black people?

Are you crazy?

Like I tried to make it into a joke.

And now I kind of like laugh when I hear it.

So it sort of feels like it was somebody else.

So, you know, I just turned everything into sort of an

I turned everything into

an absurdity that is absurd, that is disordered, you know?

So, so that was helpful for me because I, you know, it's difficult to

stay horny when you're laughing.

Although the British,

anyway, so, so, you know, I think I have maybe a prematurely geriatric

life and routine from which I will

emerge one day.

But right now, while I'm staying on the straight and narrow, not falling off the wagon as far as the gay stuff goes, and

continuing to, you know, put in a good day's work for our friend and

getting

better with my spiritual life all the time.

I mean, I learned Latin, for goodness sake.

Fantastic.

Drug addicts don't learn Latin in their spare time.

But I got a teacher for three years and now I can translate the Gospels and I understand the liturgies.

That's amazing.

It is amazing.

That is truly amazing.

It is amazing.

It is amazing.

It's the best thing I ever did in my whole life.

It is amazing.

That kind of stuff, I think, is really important to me to have like a

decade off.

I'm a self-indulgent, lazy piece of, you know, what.

And

I have the personality I have, Gail Strait, but I am self-indulgent.

But

I have tried to use the self-indulgent time somewhat wisely.

And

I think I have.

When I come back, I'm going to be deadly.

But for the

well, Milo, no one's ever doubted that you're brilliant.

And so what you'll fill your time with.

It's exhausting.

It's suffocating.

I've always wanted to be more oblivious.

I wanted to go through life

like a woman

or an ethnic minority, just sort of enjoying the sort of drift.

um but always been sort of hyper aware and sort of just just just meandering through life you know um you don't have that but but uh um you know just sort of just sort of I don't know.

I can't remember if I parked on the third or the fourth floor.

I would love not to remember details.

I would love not to notice things.

I would love not to

draw connections.

I would love I'd love it if I didn't know when people close to me were lying to me.

And I always do because I have this pattern matching brain that notices everything they're doing.

I'm like, why are you lying to me?

Maybe there's a good reason, but it makes me sad every time uh and um and i would love to take all those dials down you know it's a great curse to be um um uh you know witty brilliant handsome um uh popular and successful um there's a i there's a there's a great line in a uh um to david brooks book or something about um uh how uh disney punishes athletic kids because it tells these ugly duckling ugly duckling failings to which they cannot possibly relate.

And, you know, sort of it's, it's the popular athletic kids at school who are the raw victims because they don't have any stories that

speak to their lives.

It's all about, like, you know,

it's all about losers and also ransomware.

Where's the kids' book for the cheerleader?

Where's the kids' book for the quarterback?

I like to say, you know, I've lived a life of

extraordinary ease and privilege, but I've never allowed that to stand in my way.

No,

I think

I know when I have conversations with people like you who are insightful and

have integrity and gently in that lovely

way remind me I've got lots left to do.

I'm in such mom mode.

I'm always momming everybody.

No, but I need that because I didn't have a nice mom.

I had a cocaine addict.

So, you know, I didn't have a mother.

Because you can do better.

That's it.

It's like, you know, if you, we all can do better.

So I don't know that makes it seem like I'm excusing myself from that.

But you're brilliant.

And I obviously, a lot of my political philosophy or the beginning of my political philosophy really began with reading you when you were on Breitbart.

And I know you have a lot to contribute.

And

I got to read the political side, but you've lived through a lot, you know, being a sex abuse victim.

I feel like Lauren Hill.

I can't do a second album after this much pressure.

But I do think your voice is missing.

I think there's a lot of people that could.

I will tell you this.

A decade of imitators, and really nobody comes close.

It's been very sad, very tragic to watch.

You've blossomed remarkably and beautifully

into somebody very formidable.

And a couple of other people have, but other than that,

it's quite a sorry feel, isn't it?

It's starting to look like our architecture.

Yeah.

No, but no, it's flimsy.

It's very appealing.

No, I mean, you look at it.

It's getting really

basic out there.

The standard, I mean, the standard of discourse on the conservative is not interesting at all.

It's 20 IQ points lower, even than it was in 2015.

It's so basic.

We were smart in 2015.

We were funny.

We were smart.

And now it's- Interesting.

Yeah.

And now you have like three clans, and one of them just says, Jew, Ju-Jew, all day.

And one of them says this, and one of them says that.

It's just, it's so intolerably dull.

Boring.

Not one of them has ever been to an art gallery.

Not one of them has ever read a real book.

You know, I mean,

I will.

eat this mic if you know if it emerges that Nick Fund has ever read any book cover to cover.

Like these people don't know anything.

And it's so it does for me.

Well, I think part of it is that even if the people, maybe at some point, people were reading books.

And then I think the problem is once you have a platform.

Well, they were reading mine and then I retired.

It's my fault.

Once you have a platform and you're in that feedback loop and people are like, you're amazing, you're great.

Maybe people stop learning.

They don't become less interested.

I think that they've arrived at the end, the conclusion.

If you're not learning, you're dying.

I did write a lot of bad books for other people.

which has contributed to the general collapse in standards

because I've been ghostwriting in those 10 years and

you know,

the kinds of people you're ghostwriting for, they're not intellectuals.

And so, you know, I think, I think I've

really is all my fault, isn't it?

Yeah,

I made it dumb, fake, and gay.

Yeah, I think that is actually a perfect place to end it.

It's all Milo's fault.

He has made everything

gay.

And this is the problem that we find ourselves in American society.

Everything is dumb, fake, and gay because of Milo Yiannopoulos.

I'm sorry.

It could have been better.

I'm sorry, you guys.

Sorry.

Bye bye.

I'm going to buy a castle in Hungary and wish you the best.

Milo, thank you so much for joining.

Thank you, Michael.

We're definitely going to have you back.

Thank you, love.