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Speaker 5 Hi, everyone, I'm Blaine Alexander and we are talking dateline.

Speaker 6 Today I'm here with Andrea Canning. Hi Andrea.

Speaker 7 Hey Blaine. Hey.

Speaker 5 This episode is called Deadly Omission. If you haven't seen it, it's the episode right below this one on your Dateline podcast feed.

Speaker 5 So go over there, listen to it, or stream it on Peacock and then come right back here.

Speaker 5 For this Talking Dateline, we have an extra clip from John Peake's interview with police after they learned his previous wife, Carol Marlon, had been murdered.

Speaker 5 But to recap, when Casey Peake was found dead in her bed in 2005, investigators turned their attention to a double homicide that had happened nearly a decade earlier to start unraveling what had happened to her.

Speaker 5 They ultimately learned that Casey's husband, John Peake, had killed not one, not two, but three women before finally being put away for good. Okay, Andrea, let's talk dateline.
Let's do it.

Speaker 5 You know, one of the fun things about watching a dateline episode is, okay, where does the title come in? And of course, deadly omission. We find out pretty quickly what the omission was.

Speaker 5 When investigators say, you didn't think of mentioning that sooner.

Speaker 13 Yeah, and there were actually two big omissions in this one. Of course, the biggest one was my first wife was murdered along with her friend.

Speaker 14 I mean, huge.

Speaker 15 Your second wife has now been murdered.

Speaker 15 But also the friend Barry Webb, that's another thing that the police are like, hey, you didn't want to mention that you'd gone over to Barry Webb's house and, you know, broke in like like that's maybe important?

Speaker 10 Maybe a little bit.

Speaker 5 I, you know, I found myself as I was watching this episode. I was just so shocked that he kept being able to slip through the cracks so many times, right?

Speaker 5 Like, or at least for the first one, he just didn't really do a good job making a lot of stuff make sense.

Speaker 13 No, I mean, you get caught breaking into, as we said, Barry Webb's house. And then you're saying that you've never been to

Speaker 14 Maggie Ginn's house, but yet everyone in her world knows that you've been there because you helped fix the VCR. He certainly did make a lot of mistakes mistakes in that first one.

Speaker 5 I have to say, I was fascinated that he didn't move further away. I'm here in Atlanta, so Marianne and Smyrna are literally right next to each other.

Speaker 5 Like it's 20 minutes to get from one town to the other. So the fact that after the first murder in 96, he didn't go to Texas or kind of skip town was unbelievable to me that he stayed so close by.

Speaker 14 Yeah. And I think he was brazen and bold and,

Speaker 13 you know, had a huge ego.

Speaker 14 I think he was like, he got away with it and he's like, I can do whatever I want.

Speaker 5 He slipped through the cracks in 96. But 30 years ago, almost 30 years ago, the technology then wasn't what it is today.

Speaker 5 There were a lot of kind of bits of the investigation that had it happened today, he probably would have gotten caught a lot sooner.

Speaker 14 Yeah, the technology, I mean, for one, it was so

Speaker 21 weird to hear the detective say that he couldn't find Maggie Ginn's phone number or address.

Speaker 10 That's right.

Speaker 9 I mean, can you imagine today a police officer saying, well, I have no way of finding her address.

Speaker 26 I mean, what?

Speaker 13 This wasn't in the show either. And I said, well, was she in the phone book? And he's like, no, unlisted.

Speaker 27 So, you know, because then you would go to the phone book, right?

Speaker 8 Or you'd call 411, you know, back in the old days.

Speaker 19 Of course, people did things.

Speaker 13 So it was, it was odd, right?

Speaker 14 To see that that was an obstacle.

Speaker 13 But yeah, I mean, everything has changed so much with technology and DNA.

Speaker 9 It's hard to get away with stuff now, right?

Speaker 14 Between cameras everywhere and text messages and

Speaker 14 your cyber footprint,

Speaker 14 cell towers, it's a different world.

Speaker 13 It's hard to do things now without leaving some trace.

Speaker 5 Let's talk a little bit about John and his fascination with true crime stories.

Speaker 5 What was it like for you learning that detail?

Speaker 20 It's something that I hear a lot.

Speaker 14 in datelines that the person was obsessed with, you know, CSI, or they, they watch Dateline, or they watch all these true crime shows.

Speaker 14 In another story that I did, it was actually part of like the prosecution that the killer went to this CSI crime experience in Vegas.

Speaker 5 Oh, wow.

Speaker 24 That's mighty creepy.

Speaker 7 It's a little, that's, that's, that's just,

Speaker 15 yeah, if you're going to take that knowledge and then commit a crime.

Speaker 14 I mean, most of us watch it because we're fascinated by it. But like, if you're going to go that next step and actually put it into practice,

Speaker 14 that is very creepy.

Speaker 5 That's creepy.

Speaker 5 You know, I think that a lot of our dateline fans who were watching this episode could probably say that John he messed up a lot of things, and one of them would be kind of the staging of the crime scene to try and make it look like a burglary gone wrong.

Speaker 5 And I think that initially, investigators, right, they were like, oh, could this be the case? But they were pretty quickly able to see that no, this, this, this wasn't actually a burglary gone wrong.

Speaker 13 Yeah. And I mean, I would say nine times out of ten on our datelines, the burglary gone bad theory is quickly dismissed.

Speaker 14 It's always a thought,

Speaker 14 could have been, but then a lot of times it's weird.

Speaker 17 Like they, you know, they make it look like it's a burglary, but then like nothing's missing.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 7 All right.

Speaker 27 So that happens a lot.

Speaker 5 Like they walk through the house and just kind of throw things around and that's

Speaker 16 a burglary.

Speaker 25 I mean, yeah, our date lines so often start out, you know, detectives had to wonder, was it a burglary gone bad?

Speaker 15 And then

Speaker 26 it's, yeah, it's usually crossed off their list. So, yeah.

Speaker 5 I want to talk about the two police detectives that represented these two different departments that worked together on this. And I loved watching their relationship.

Speaker 5 I even loved the original detective being the one to make that arrest and just kind of like what that meant for him personally.

Speaker 6 He

Speaker 14 really

Speaker 14 was affected by this

Speaker 14 because he couldn't. get that arrest and also that fear, you know, that, well, what will happen in the future? Because I wasn't able to, to close this case.

Speaker 13 And you heard him talk about like how he would run into him jogging

Speaker 14 and just kind of pop up and visit him out of nowhere just to see if he could get him off his game. And

Speaker 14 nothing worked. And so then to find out that Casey was murdered, I mean, imagine the guilt.

Speaker 13 Not that it's his fault in any way, but like you would think, oh my gosh, if I had just solved it, you know, Casey would be alive.

Speaker 5 Did you feel that guilt when you talked to him?

Speaker 10 I did. I did.

Speaker 14 It was one of those things he said that just haunted him.

Speaker 14 And these detectives carry this stuff around with them, you know, for years.

Speaker 13 It's sad because it's not their fault, right?

Speaker 14 He worked the case really hard.

Speaker 24 He just couldn't get that arrest. And somehow,

Speaker 19 somehow, John Peake got away with it for a while there, for a good while.

Speaker 7 A good while.

Speaker 5 I think the hardest part for so many viewers, and certainly watching this, it was so frustrating to see that he really did move on with his life. He got $700,000 from life insurance.
He married again.

Speaker 9 The thing that for me that really stood out about John Peake was he looks like the guy who could be barbecuing next door and like, you know, waving to you as you're leaving to go to work in the morning.

Speaker 13 And we, you know, obviously killers all look different.

Speaker 9 But John Peake, he was not some creepy loner.

Speaker 5 Like he, he seemed very considerate, right?

Speaker 6 Like when getting

Speaker 6 yeah.

Speaker 14 Okay, I'm going to confess I had never heard this before.

Speaker 14 So Liz Cole, our executive producer, wanted this in the show.

Speaker 13 I always say say you learn something new every date line that you do.

Speaker 22 Yes.

Speaker 13 And for me, this one was love bombing.

Speaker 27 So I had not heard that term.

Speaker 14 I guess love bombing is where like John Peake showered, you know, all the women in his life with cards and flowers and temperatures and like jewelry and too much.

Speaker 5 Doing too much.

Speaker 13 And then turns out, he turns out to be evil.

Speaker 9 So anyway, so I was like, oh, I had never heard of love bombing.

Speaker 5 I mean, I feel like I'm up on pop culture, but I guess not not on that one well you had the phrase you knew if you want to find a man you got to get off the couch like you had that one you had that one on lock in the episode but love bombing i feel like typically is it somebody who texts like good morning good morning good morning every morning or just like is doing a lot right it's just kind of like

Speaker 14 maybe that's a bit much i don't want that much you know you want the person to care about you and show you they care but not in an obsessive like way that's over the top smothering right smothering at least for me me anyway, that's not my thing.

Speaker 5 When we get back, John Peake married a total of four times.

Speaker 4 Two of his wives were brutally murdered, but what about the other two?

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Speaker 5 Let's talk about the ladies in this episode. I think that, you know, we've talked about them kind of piece by piece, but women really were the backbone of this episode.

Speaker 5 And just to say their names, we're talking about Carol, Maggie, and Casey, the three three victims of John.

Speaker 5 One thing that I really loved was when you interviewed Casey's friends. I loved hearing the two of them.

Speaker 20 They were fun.

Speaker 5 They were. They were.
And they really gave you this kind of sense, almost kind of an inside look into what their friendship was like. I could feel that just hearing from them.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 14 And Blaine, I'm sure you living in Atlanta, you're a member of the Atlanta Ski Club, right?

Speaker 12 That was new to me.

Speaker 7 I've never heard of that. I was like, the Atlanta Ski Club?

Speaker 5 Where do we ski?

Speaker 25 I know. I don't know either.
Cause I'm a skier.

Speaker 13 I grew up in Canada.

Speaker 19 So on a ski hill.

Speaker 8 So when I heard Atlanta Ski Club, then they quickly cleared it up for me that it's actually more about the partying

Speaker 19 than the skiing.

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Speaker 14 I mean, you could tell how close they were. Every woman wants friends like that to have that tight-knit group that's got your back.

Speaker 19 Right.

Speaker 18 And those women,

Speaker 16 we've all had that.

Speaker 14 that time where a good friend is with a guy.

Speaker 9 You know, they shouldn't be with that guy.

Speaker 14 You maybe try to say a thing or two, but

Speaker 9 your friend can't see it, right?

Speaker 14 Because as they say, love is blind, but it's not blind for friends, right?

Speaker 5 Of course. I could tell how just they just seem like such good friends.

Speaker 5 And then when one of the friends said during the funeral, how she looked back at John and said, we're going to find whoever did this and just stared him down. I said, oh,

Speaker 23 that is a girlfriend right there.

Speaker 12 Like that is a good friend.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 19 That was really brave. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 I feel like that's something I would do.

Speaker 7 Exactly. You do it for your friends, right?

Speaker 13 I would stare them down and then I'd probably be scared after that.

Speaker 19 Oh my gosh, she's going to come after me.

Speaker 5 So I think when we talk about this, I mean, this human nature of everybody wants to find love. These are women who are just looking for love.
But unfortunately, they came across John Peake.

Speaker 5 I want to talk about that aspect of just, you know, how this kind of desire for love led them to this very dangerous person.

Speaker 24 Yeah, I think

Speaker 13 Carol, I don't know as much about. I mean, I know she'd been married before

Speaker 15 and didn't want to marry again.

Speaker 13 That's why they were considered considered common law.

Speaker 13 Casey was more obvious because we were able to talk to her friends.

Speaker 14 So we really got more into her head.

Speaker 14 She just seemed like she really wanted a partner, you know, at that point. She really wanted to get married.

Speaker 14 So you can see like John Peake comes along. You know, he's, I mean, she thought he was good looking.

Speaker 13 He had a good job for her. It seemed like Prince Charming had come along.

Speaker 14 And he, he, remember he came over to a party at her house.

Speaker 18 And so someone brought him as a friend, right?

Speaker 13 And so when, when that happens, too, you're like, oh, well, if he's friends with that person and you meet him, I think for women, we always think that's the best way to meet someone, right?

Speaker 19 Through someone. Through someone, right?

Speaker 14 Because then someone can vouch for that person. And so I think she probably was lulled into this false sense of security that a friend had brought him over.

Speaker 14 And why would you think that there's anything wrong with him?

Speaker 25 Except for when he did tell her, he did fess up that his wife had been murdered.

Speaker 10 That would

Speaker 14 be a little strange for me. Not to say that I wouldn't believe the person, but I would be like, I'd have to sort of wonder, like, is there anything more to this?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I'm curious, as you get some insight from talking to her friends, why

Speaker 5 she was still able to move forward with him, that she was able to kind of brush that under the rug.

Speaker 14 I wasn't in her head. I didn't know her, but she probably, you know, was like, if he's being honest with me about this,

Speaker 9 why shouldn't I believe him?

Speaker 16 I mean, people do have murdered people in their life.

Speaker 14 You know, it unfortunately happens. And so I'm guessing that she probably saw him as someone who was going through something really hard.

Speaker 5 Like a little bit of truth, right? Like she got some of the truth. So it's like, why would I doubt that that was the full truth?

Speaker 13 Right. I don't know.
That's just a thought.

Speaker 5 So we know about his two relationships,

Speaker 5 unfortunately, that ended in murder. John Peake, though, had been married and divorced twice before he met Carol.
So what do we know about those two women?

Speaker 14 We didn't find out too much about those first wives. We do have an extra clip from John Peake's interview with police that did not make the show that gives a little bit of insight into that.

Speaker 31 How many different women have you lived with?

Speaker 31 Five.

Speaker 31 How many have you married? Um,

Speaker 31 let's see. I don't know what we got.

Speaker 31 Married Mary when I was real young, that lasted about two years,

Speaker 31 then Colleen.

Speaker 31 Okay, Mary, Colleen,

Speaker 31 Carol, and Casey.

Speaker 31 So four.

Speaker 31 Four, yes. And then Semi Lisa.
It's just. We're not

Speaker 31 living without living together. Besides Casey and this other lady, are all the others living? Yes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, hello.

Speaker 13 What a question to have to ask somebody.

Speaker 20 Are the others living, right? Oh,

Speaker 7 yeah.

Speaker 5 And his answer, yes, definitely.

Speaker 13 Oh, gosh, they're maybe the lucky ones then, I guess.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 That whole section is is, is scary. I think it also just underscores just how creepily manipulative he could be.
I mean, right?

Speaker 5 Just deceptive to the fact that so many women were trusting him to the point of sharing their lives with him.

Speaker 24 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 5 So let's talk about Lisa, John's latest girlfriend. I was fascinated hearing from her because she could have very well been John's next victim.

Speaker 9 Yeah, she was set to inherit some money.

Speaker 14 I believe it was Coca-Cola shares that her grandmother had.

Speaker 13 So he love-bombed her, right? He did the classic John Peake acting like the perfect gentleman.

Speaker 5 I'm curious how she reacted when she was talking to investigators and they started telling her some of this.

Speaker 14 She was just surprised by so much of it.

Speaker 13 You know, she was surprised to hear that he really hadn't fully broken it off with Casey, that they were still seeing each other, they were dating.

Speaker 22 And also, let's not forget.

Speaker 13 that he threw her under the bus, like as if she was the one who might have killed Casey.

Speaker 5 It was unbelievable.

Speaker 14 This is a woman who was really blindsided in that interview.

Speaker 16 Absolutely. But, you know, the police don't know her at this point, right?

Speaker 14 So you have to think in that moment when a detective is first on a case, they don't know these people.

Speaker 14 They barely know anything about their histories. They don't know them personally.

Speaker 14 You've got to do more digging and get more insight into this person, into that relationship, until you can make that call.

Speaker 5 I'm curious, what do we know about John's family, his friends, anybody in his circle?

Speaker 8 Anything?

Speaker 14 That was something that we really had a hard time finding

Speaker 19 a lot about.

Speaker 13 I don't know a lot about him, to be honest with you. He's almost a bit of like this mystery man to me.

Speaker 5 You know, obviously when we kind of get to the end of this, a very big surprise was that he decided to plead guilty at the end.

Speaker 5 What do you think happened there?

Speaker 13 I think he saw the writing on the wall

Speaker 13 and the walls were closing in.

Speaker 14 It's either I'm going to go through two trials and possibly face the death penalty, or I'm going to plead guilty and not be killed.

Speaker 25 I think that was probably the motivating factor if I had to guess.

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Speaker 5 Let's move to some social media. Misha Hackman on Facebook, I thought this exact same thing when I watched Another Dirty John.
That's what Misha said. Another Dirty John, right?

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 14 he is absolutely a dirty John.

Speaker 13 I watched both seasons of Dirty John, and it was such a good, short-lived series.

Speaker 14 But yeah, he would be perfect because he is a dirty John.

Speaker 24 He victimizes women.

Speaker 6 He

Speaker 14 manipulates, abuses,

Speaker 13 you know, lies to them, gaslights them. I just think he never met a woman he didn't like or want or want to seduce or want to manipulate.

Speaker 5 What is it with the name John?

Speaker 11 You also talked about your story John. John Smith.
John Smith.

Speaker 6 Yeah, John Smith.

Speaker 13 I know. And also it goes with the guy next door, right? The most unassuming name, John.
Exactly.

Speaker 22 Just a regular average name, John.

Speaker 5 Feels safe.

Speaker 23 Seems like a safe name.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay, Nancy Sorbo on Facebook said, I'm not buying his John's fake crying on the 911 call. Let's talk about that 911 call because he did,

Speaker 5 just to the, you know, untrained eye, untrained ear, he sounded devastated. He sounded upset on it.

Speaker 13 Yeah, and then it's funny because Liz Sonity, another viewer, replied to Nancy's comment and said, the minute I heard that, I said to my dog, the husband did it.

Speaker 27 Do her dog.

Speaker 13 You know what, Liz? I can tell you, I talk to my cat all the time.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 5 But listening to it, did it seem believable?

Speaker 14 I mean, you know, it's so hard when you just don't know the person, right?

Speaker 13 You just don't know what their mannerisms are or how they talk, but probably over the top.

Speaker 23 Probably.

Speaker 5 Colleen Ann Carton on Facebook wrote, wow, banged on the hotel room door. Bravo.

Speaker 5 She's talking, of course, about how Casey suspected John was cheating on her, and she went to the hotel and took matters into her own hands. Yeah.

Speaker 13 I mean, John and Lisa did not answer the door.

Speaker 14 And then poor Casey was escorted out by security.

Speaker 5 I was just amazed that at first she got to the hotel reception desk and they said no. And whatever she did, whatever she said, convinced them to finally give her that room number.

Speaker 12 I thought that was a win.

Speaker 14 I don't think that would happen now, do you? I don't think they would give the number.

Speaker 19 Absolutely.

Speaker 25 Not where they just easily give out the person's room number.

Speaker 20 Not good.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 We had fans on X who talked about what they thought about the invoice that was found in Maggie's hand when police arrived at this scene. And Tom Largo had a good question.

Speaker 5 He said, How is someone who is getting the life beat out of them able to hold on to a receipt in their hands? It's a sad question, but it's a good question.

Speaker 19 Why do you have to do that?

Speaker 13 And why are they holding on to a receipt?

Speaker 13 She's sitting in a chair, like holding randomly. That whole thing seemed to me to be very far-fetched.
And I think the detectives thought that

Speaker 14 as well. And

Speaker 14 what is so sad, and Layla, Maggie's granddaughter, said it so well. Maggie was collateral damage.

Speaker 23 Sure.

Speaker 5 Can I just say I'm so glad we heard from Layla, from her granddaughter?

Speaker 9 She was so sweet, wasn't she?

Speaker 5 She was so sweet. And just hearing about Maggie as a grandmother just broke my heart too.
I just thought that you did such a good job of showing us who she was. And I'm so glad we learned about her.

Speaker 7 Me too. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I love this comment on Instagram from Soto Michaela. I never watched Dateline Alone.
I always had

Speaker 6 wine in my hand.

Speaker 5 Also saw someone on Facebook who made a cocktail on Friday.

Speaker 5 That's fun. How do you watch? How do you watch, Andrea?

Speaker 13 Oh, do you really want to know? It's so sad.

Speaker 6 No, I want to know. Usually, usually.

Speaker 14 Usually we like by then, because it's on later, my husband and I are like, we get into bed, we start watching it, and then we like fall asleep.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 22 But like, I've already seen it.

Speaker 13 So for me, I have an excuse.

Speaker 14 He does not.

Speaker 13 And then he tries to finish it the next morning when he's eating breakfast.

Speaker 26 I love it.

Speaker 7 There's a

Speaker 5 two-part watching

Speaker 7 experience.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I have to DVR it.

Speaker 5 I'll DVR it.

Speaker 11 And then we usually sometimes we'll watch on Sundays.

Speaker 5 And my husband, Jay, and I will watch it. It's very fun to watch it with him for the first time because he

Speaker 27 then kind of has these reactions or sees different things i didn't see like oh my god that's interesting insight yeah so does tony my husband he's like whoa i didn't see that coming oh my gosh oh my gosh she's like you know he gets really into it but jay your husband's so sweet he had the didn't he have like a party for you he did he did

Speaker 13 and he came to new york when you were like when we were announcing you were on the show and i feel like jay i'm like does jay want to be on dateline too uh

Speaker 27 he would do a great job he was so funny because he was like he was i felt like he was part of the team everywhere we went, you know, and then they brought him in on the Today Show and

Speaker 20 he had the shirt on that he had made with your name at the bottom and orange. And like,

Speaker 11 he's a good cheerleader.

Speaker 5 Oh, he, can I tell you how much he loved meeting all of you guys? He loved meeting you all. He's like, this is such a great group.
And he had so much fun.

Speaker 5 And I think that jumping into the date line world, like it's a, it's, it's kind of a family thing, right? I mean, like, you know, Tony knows these things. He knows these stories.

Speaker 5 So for Jay to be there and just know the team and also see how things are put together was

Speaker 5 perfect.

Speaker 13 And well, we're so, again, so happy you're part of the team.

Speaker 21 And it's been really fun talking Dateline with you.

Speaker 5 It has been the best, Andrea. Thank you for the warm welcome and thank you for talking Dateline with me today.
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