The Sisterhood

Speaker 1 Grand Canyon University is one of the largest universities in the country.

Speaker 1 Praised for its community and impact, GCU integrates a welcoming Christian worldview and open discourse into over 300 online programs.

Speaker 1 Redefine your online education through GCU's industry-driven, academically rigorous programs. In 2024, online students received over $161 million in institutional scholarships.

Speaker 2 Find your purpose.

Speaker 1 Private, Christian, affordable. Discover available scholarships at gcu.edu/slash slash myoffer.

Speaker 4 If you're a custodial supervisor at a local high school, you know that cleanliness is key and that the best place to get cleaning supplies is from Granger.

Speaker 4 Granger helps you stay fully stocked on the products you trust, from paper towels and disinfectants to floor scrubbers.

Speaker 4 Plus, you can rely on Granger for easy reordering so you never run out of what you need. Call 1-800GRANGER, clickgranger.com, or just stop by.
Granger for the ones who get it done.

Speaker 6 Tonight, on dateline.

Speaker 7 The school was calling her and she didn't pick up. Send for 911.

Speaker 8 Please, my wife's not breathing, please.

Speaker 7 He said, Stacy's dead.

Speaker 4 I said, what?

Speaker 9 It appears she had fallen in the shower and somehow drowned. None of us are seeing anything that says this looks like a murder.

Speaker 10 What happened when the autopsy came back?

Speaker 7 Undetermined death. She was 44 years old, young and healthy.
You don't just die. you You have to die for a reason.

Speaker 11 Did you have anything to do with it?

Speaker 8 Absolutely not. I left my wife apparently.

Speaker 12 There were red flags. There was a dating site open on the computer.

Speaker 9 People shower with a watch on, but I wouldn't think this type of watch.

Speaker 7 I was sitting at the grave and I had a chill come over me.

Speaker 7 And she said to me, Susan,

Speaker 7 something's not right.

Speaker 7 Could I have done something? Could I have said something?

Speaker 7 I was not going to stop until I got justice for Stacey.

Speaker 6 Get ready to learn about a murder that didn't look like one until someone took a closer look. I'm Lester Holt, and this is Dateline.

Speaker 15 Here's Keith Morrison with the Sisterhood.

Speaker 17 Some cases come together so quickly, the puzzle pieces just snap into place.

Speaker 19 The fingerprints, the blood spatter, the DNA.

Speaker 22 That is not this story.

Speaker 7 At this point, it feels like a bad dream that I can't wake up from. It's been a journey.

Speaker 24 Yes, a long journey.

Speaker 26 But more than that, a fight for answers, for the truth.

Speaker 28 There's no way a 44-year-old woman who's otherwise healthy die for no reason. So then it was like, okay,

Speaker 29 something is not right.

Speaker 12 That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 13 That doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 It would take seven years.

Speaker 15 And a chorus of voices, women, friends, family, even strangers stepping up.

Speaker 33 A sisterhood bound by one goal.

Speaker 27 To answer the dreadful question, what killed Stacey Feldman?

Speaker 29 I knew immediately when I saw the date that that was the reason she was dead.

Speaker 37 She grew up Stacey Malman in Muncie, Indiana, the youngest of three sisters.

Speaker 15 In the middle was Susan.

Speaker 7 The three of us were very close.

Speaker 39 She was the baby.

Speaker 7 And she was the baby of the family, daddy's little girl.

Speaker 25 She was girly, reveled in it, loved the color pink, and loved to have fun.

Speaker 42 What was she like?

Speaker 7 The life of the party, giving, loving,

Speaker 7 I mean, just fun.

Speaker 43 Stacy spent her mid-20s in Chicago, where she met Jan Goldenberg.

Speaker 17 A mutual friend introduced them.

Speaker 12 She opened the door and

Speaker 12 was so warm and welcoming that I instantly felt comfortable and I could say that probably from that day on, we were inseparable.

Speaker 43 In 1998, Stacy moved to Boston to help out her sister Susan Altman, who had just given birth to her first child.

Speaker 7 And she was our nanny for six months.

Speaker 43 When it came to children, Stacey was a natural.

Speaker 43 And as she entered her 30s, she was itching for a family of her own.

Speaker 45 She wanted more than anything to be a mom.

Speaker 47 So was she actively looking for a mate?

Speaker 7 She was. She was.
You know, her friends were getting married. They were having children.
And the time was ticking for her.

Speaker 17 It just so happened a friend of Jan Goldenberg was eager to play matchmaker.

Speaker 12 Because, as I said, everyone loves Stacey. And she lit up a room with her.

Speaker 12 bright blue eyes and her blonde hair and her smile.

Speaker 37 Stacy agreed to the setup with a man named Bob Feldman.

Speaker 7 After she went on her first date with him, she came home and she was very enamored of him.

Speaker 12 He was charismatic. Yeah, he made his way into her heart.

Speaker 41 They got married at the Ritz in Montreal.

Speaker 19 It was like a fairy tale.

Speaker 7 She had

Speaker 7 a crown as part of her veil. She really wanted that.

Speaker 19 And of course, she wanted children.

Speaker 32 A year later, she got her wish.

Speaker 35 a girl followed by a boy.

Speaker 50 By then, the family had settled in the suburbs, the Denver, Colorado suburbs, where Stacy, as usual, made new friends, like Linda Blaustein.

Speaker 53 We were part of this Jewish baby university that they have there, which is basically just, you know, your childbirth class plus a little bit of like Jewish, I guess, education, you know, for parents thrown in.

Speaker 53 We hit it off right away.

Speaker 56 Stacy and Linda joined a music class with their new babies.

Speaker 38 Brenda Case was there too.

Speaker 28 When I met Stacy at our baby music class, you know, we had all just had babies, so you couldn't fit in clothes anymore.

Speaker 38 Stacy said she needed a dress for an event.

Speaker 28 And I said, I've got this dress. It's like the amazing dress.
You can wear it if you're size six or like a size 14. It doesn't matter.
And I said, come over to my house and try it on.

Speaker 28 So we just kind of connected.

Speaker 10 Their very own sisterhood of the traveling dress.

Speaker 28 So she borrowed it multiple times throughout, you know, our friendship.

Speaker 17 The Feldbuns doted on their children.

Speaker 3 Bob was a soccer coach for his son, Stacy, president of the parent teacher organization of their school.

Speaker 28 I would always say, I wish Stacy was my mom.

Speaker 7 I mean, she was just good at it all.

Speaker 32 Stacy did struggle with some medical issues like rheumatoid arthritis and chronic neck pain.

Speaker 7 She was a soldier. You know, she marched ahead.

Speaker 22 When it came to her kids and her community, Stacy was all in.

Speaker 28 You were were having a surgery, I'm going to cook for you, I'll come over, I'll hang out, we'll watch movies. You know, she just wanted to just do things for people.

Speaker 36 A backyard pool happens to be a bit of a rarity in Denver, but Bob and Stacy were lucky enough to have one of their own, a secluded oasis surrounded by tall trees.

Speaker 28 Their pool, I mean, it was just a revolving door of friends and family coming over.

Speaker 12 Stacy loved holidays.

Speaker 34 Doesn't matter which one.

Speaker 12 Doesn't matter which one. Any reason to celebrate and cook and enjoy each other's company, she would make the most out of every holiday.

Speaker 17 The celebration of Purim is one of the most festive Jewish holidays.

Speaker 22 It's an extra special one for kids, marked by costumes and carnivals.

Speaker 23 Try one more time.

Speaker 38 Special dessert treats called Hamantashen.

Speaker 22 March 1st, 2015 was a big day, the Purim Carnival at the Feldman Synagogue.

Speaker 56 Bob said he dropped the kids off for religious school at 8.30 that morning, and then the plan was for Stacy to pick them up at noon and take them to the carnival.

Speaker 37 But pickup time came and went.

Speaker 7 And she didn't arrive. And so the school was calling her, and she didn't pick up.

Speaker 43 So they called Bob, and he fetched the kids and took them to the carnival.

Speaker 22 He said they all got home around 3 p.m.

Speaker 39 The shower in the master bathroom was running. Bob went upstairs.

Speaker 7 And then he says that's when he found her.

Speaker 8 What do I do, please? Help me!

Speaker 36 What happened to Stacey Feldman?

Speaker 47 Help arrives within minutes, and soon so does a detective.

Speaker 9 When we come back, none of us are seeing anything that says, this looks like a murder.

Speaker 6 But this was odd.

Speaker 9 It's gold and silver, a dress watch, and there are people that shower with a watch on, but I wouldn't think this type of watch.

Speaker 32 It was 3.21 p.m., March 1st, 2015.

Speaker 43 Oh my God, I need help. Please help me.
Please.

Speaker 15 The man on the phone, desperate, panicked with Bob Feldman.

Speaker 8 Please, my wife's not breathing, please.

Speaker 39 Who told the 911 operator he'd found his wife, Stacy, collapsed in the shower.

Speaker 54 Count out loud so I can count with you.

Speaker 39 Over the phone, the operator instructed Bob and CPR. One, two, three, four, five, seven, six, six, seven, eight, nine.
Oh, please, help me, please.

Speaker 8 Help is on the way, sir. Hunting, you're doing good.

Speaker 32 Fire and paramedics arrived within minutes.

Speaker 17 They found Stacy on the bathroom floor, unresponsive.

Speaker 70 They attempted every life-saving measure, to no avail.

Speaker 9 There was no signs of life.

Speaker 67 Not from the get-go.

Speaker 61 No.

Speaker 70 This man is Randy Dennison.

Speaker 68 He hurried over there pretty quickly when he heard.

Speaker 9 This is reported initially as some type of medical event that she had fallen in the shower and somehow drowned.

Speaker 17 Not the sort of case you'd hear about in the normal run of things, given that Randy Dennison was was a veteran Denver police homicide detective.

Speaker 15 But something unusual about this medical event.

Speaker 9 Just the fact that she was only 44 when she died and that and she was reportedly found in the bathtub.

Speaker 67 Dennison arrived at the Feldman home an hour and a half after the 911 call.

Speaker 9 I met with our officers that were on the scene and was briefed by them.

Speaker 22 Detective Dennison found Bob downstairs, surrounded by relatives and clergy members.

Speaker 25 So he pulled Bob aside, asked him what happened that day.

Speaker 56 Bob, still upset, told what he could remember.

Speaker 22 That he drove the kids to religious school, that when Stacy failed to pick them up, he did, then took them to the carnival.

Speaker 43 He told you that he left at 8.30 that morning.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 39 And didn't come back until 3 or so in the afternoon. Right.

Speaker 9 And returned home to

Speaker 9 find her unresponsive in the shower with water running and the water was cold.

Speaker 39 Bob said he pulled Stacy out of the tub and called 911.

Speaker 39 But fog of panic, maybe?

Speaker 64 Details were fuzzy.

Speaker 9 He told me he couldn't remember if she was face up or face down.

Speaker 18 Bob told Dennison he and Stacy had attended a party the night before, and she'd taken some marijuana edibles.

Speaker 9 That was about the time, too, that marijuana was legalized in Colorado, and there was a lot of problems with it originally because people were consuming too much

Speaker 9 and having issues.

Speaker 18 Or, Bob suggested, it might have been something deeper.

Speaker 71 After all, Stacy had a laundry list of medical problems and took several prescription medications.

Speaker 9 He said that she had rheumatoid arthritis and that she had recently had some injections in her cervical spine for

Speaker 24 nerve pain.

Speaker 56 Detective Dennison listened and then asked if he could look around, but there wasn't much of a suspicious nature to see.

Speaker 9 And there was nothing to indicate that some intruder had broken in and done this, or there was no area where you saw a fight and blood spatter or,

Speaker 9 you know, things knocked over, anything like that.

Speaker 44 So he went to the master bathroom where Bob said he'd pulled his wife out of the tub.

Speaker 45 The floor was dry by the time Dennison saw it.

Speaker 71 In the tub, a damp washcloth was crumpled on the drain.

Speaker 43 A metal shower caddy shelf had fallen to the bottom of the tub, and some shampoo bottles were scattered about.

Speaker 70 Then he went into the bedroom, where first responders had tried and failed to revive Stacy.

Speaker 27 Her body was still there.

Speaker 27 And right away, he was struck by her injuries.

Speaker 20 What kind of injuries?

Speaker 9 Mostly bruises and abrasions, just really all over her body. Her face, her nose, her forehead, her arms under her bicep-tricep area, and then abrasions along her abdomen area.

Speaker 9 So there was quite a bit.

Speaker 39 Bob did say he had to pull Stacy out of the tub.

Speaker 9 And she had some abrasions on her body that could be consistent with being drug across the rail or the frame for the shower doors.

Speaker 76 And then he spotted them.

Speaker 43 Stuck on Stacy's body.

Speaker 21 Might explain everything.

Speaker 9 She had two transdermal fentanyl patches on her.

Speaker 46 Fentanyl?

Speaker 18 A valuable painkiller, yes, and perhaps these were treating Stacy's nerve pain, the issue Bob told him about, but why two?

Speaker 9 I thought, well, maybe we have an accidental drug overdose here. Maybe she put two fentanyl patches on and she shouldn't have had that much.

Speaker 26 So maybe this wasn't a case for him after all he didn't see any reason to treat this as a crime scene steal the house start recording interviews nothing like that none of us are seeing anything that says

Speaker 9 this looks like a murder right now

Speaker 44 and then something quite odd caught detective dennison's eye

Speaker 3 stacy had been wearing a watch in the shower.

Speaker 43 Must have been it was still on her wrist.

Speaker 65 And not just any kind of watch either.

Speaker 9 Evidence gold and silver, a dress watch. And there are people that shower with the watch on.

Speaker 9 But I wouldn't think this type of watch.

Speaker 35 So, drug overdose, accident, medical issue,

Speaker 67 something else altogether.

Speaker 43 Detective Dennison needed to send this body to autopsy.

Speaker 71 A medical examiner could get to the bottom of things.

Speaker 35 Maybe.

Speaker 81 Coming up.

Speaker 7 i was sitting at the grave crying and i had a chill come over me a message from stacy and she said to me susan something's not right

Speaker 83 and you have to do something about this when dateline continues

Speaker 84 when you fill up with philips 66 and conoco you're ready to go Ice skating and see if you still got it.

Speaker 78 And you're ready to go holiday shopping on the day with the biggest deals.

Speaker 15 Nice.

Speaker 84 And go

Speaker 84 spread some cheer and try not to sound totally tone deaf.

Speaker 84 Go here, go there, go anywhere with Philips66 and Conoco.

Speaker 85 October brings it all. Halloween parties, tailgates, crisp fall nights.
At Total Wine and Moore, you'll find just what you need for them all. Mixing up something spooky?

Speaker 85 Total Wine and More is your cocktail central for all your Halloween concoctions.

Speaker 85 With the lowest prices for over 30 years, you'll always find what you love and love what you find only at Total Wine and More. Curbside pickup and delivery available in most areas.

Speaker 85 See TotalWine.com for details. Spirits not sold in Virginia and North Carolina.
Drink responsibly. B21.

Speaker 16 Hey, everybody.

Speaker 32 It's Rob Lowe here.

Speaker 15 If you haven't heard,

Speaker 15 I have a podcast that's called Literally with Rob Lowe.

Speaker 86 And basically, it's it's conversations I've had that really make you feel like you're pulling up a chair at an intimate dinner between myself and people that I admire, like Aaron Sorkin or Tiffany Haddish, Demi Moore, Chris Pratt, Michael J.

Speaker 32 Fox.

Speaker 28 There are new episodes out every Thursday.

Speaker 9 So subscribe, please, and listen wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 56 Stacey Feldman's sister Susan Altman was at home outside Boston when the phone rang.

Speaker 50 I didn't know that. It was her father.

Speaker 20 And the news was unthinkable.

Speaker 7 He said, Stacy's dead.

Speaker 7 And I said, what? And he said, Stacy's dead. And I was waiting for him to say she was in a car accident because I just talked to her the day before.
She was going to a party. She was feeling good.

Speaker 7 And he said, I don't know. And I hung up the phone and was hysterical.

Speaker 31 In Denver, Stacy's friends traded messages of shock and grief that within a few minutes had morphed into a plan to do for Stacy's family what she had so generously done for them.

Speaker 28 I thought, okay, what do we do? How do we help Bob? How do we help the kids? So everybody just all hands on deck, like, what can we do?

Speaker 28 It was unbelievable because there wasn't really an understanding of what happened.

Speaker 19 It seems strange somehow.

Speaker 32 Announcements of sudden death often include a reference to cause, heart attack, stroke, overdose,

Speaker 76 but not the sudden death of Stacey Feldman.

Speaker 51 Cause unknown.

Speaker 17 as her sister and family raced to Denver and struggled to make sense of it.

Speaker 7 Her health wasn't the best, and she spent the last year not feeling so great. She had a ski accident and hurt something, and she fell off a ladder at the school and, you know, broke some ribs.

Speaker 62 And the investigators found those two fentanyl patches on her skin, so maybe without intending to, she'd overdosed.

Speaker 39 Or maybe her death was just a pure accident. Falls in the shower are not uncommon.

Speaker 37 Sister Susan heard Stacey had slipped on the ice the night before.

Speaker 43 Maybe she'd hit her head.

Speaker 7 You know, a brain injury that you don't go to the hospital, but it kills you.

Speaker 39 The list of possibilities was depressingly long.

Speaker 17 Detective Randy Dennison hoped the medical examiner's office could provide the answer.

Speaker 9 I attended the autopsy the following day. They're examining the body and looking at everything really carefully.

Speaker 50 But they'd have to wait for the final autopsy report.

Speaker 67 And meanwhile, Stacy's family made arrangements for her funeral and gathered in Denver to say goodbye.

Speaker 88 We are spinning from the shock of her sudden and tragic death.

Speaker 22 This is audio from the funeral service

Speaker 26 where the rabbi sounded as lost as

Speaker 72 friends and family.

Speaker 88 There are no explanations. There is only a numb silence.

Speaker 50 Two young children, now motherless, sat beside their father.

Speaker 89 And to you, Bob, these moments are not fair. May all that you have had with her,

Speaker 89 all those memories, may they bring you strength in days to come.

Speaker 21 All those people Stacey touched filled the room to pay their respects.

Speaker 29 I was

Speaker 28 wearing the dress for her funeral.

Speaker 90 The dress.

Speaker 17 The one they shared for so many happy occasions.

Speaker 55 Over the years, we would always do these amazing things and wear it. And then, you know, I couldn't believe it, but I was going to wear it the day that we buried her.

Speaker 12 I couldn't own what was happening. It was watching her family and her little kids.
Nobody should go through that.

Speaker 17 Susan stayed in Denver for two weeks.

Speaker 43 The day before she left, she visited Stacy's grave with one of her aunts.

Speaker 39 One last chance to say goodbye.

Speaker 7 And I was sitting at the grave crying

Speaker 7 and

Speaker 82 I had a chill come over me.

Speaker 17 She felt like her baby sister wanted to tell her something, almost as if she could hear Stacy's voice.

Speaker 13 And she said to me, Susan,

Speaker 7 something's not right, and you have to do something about this.

Speaker 81 Coming up.

Speaker 12 We were quite surprised to see that there was a dating site open on the computer.

Speaker 44 A marriage in trouble.

Speaker 16 Somebody was stepping out.

Speaker 12 It was an ugly, ugly situation.

Speaker 21 Susan Altman sat at her sister Stacy's grave and thought about things.

Speaker 87 Things that never did feel right.

Speaker 50 Ever since Stacy married Bob Feldman.

Speaker 47 It was always a struggle for her.

Speaker 7 It was always a struggle.

Speaker 35 I knew.

Speaker 17 Opposites sometimes attract, and Bob was a devoted father.

Speaker 62 But when she thought about hard-working, community-minded Stacy, and then him.

Speaker 79 What was his level of ambition in life, as far as you could tell?

Speaker 7 He didn't have any. I mean, he was always trying to get a free buck.

Speaker 32 Little stories Stacey had told her.

Speaker 69 Like how Bob would sometimes bring a broken suitcase to the airport.

Speaker 7 And then take the suitcase off, the carousel.

Speaker 15 Sure.

Speaker 7 And then he would take it to the customer service and say, you broke my suitcase and I want a new one. And because of my pain and suffering, I want

Speaker 7 a more expensive one.

Speaker 39 Would he get them?

Speaker 93 All the time.

Speaker 70 Wow. All the time.

Speaker 79 What did she think about it as she realized what he was doing?

Speaker 7 She put up blinders. She wanted those children so badly, and she was getting older, and she just wanted to make it work so badly.

Speaker 19 Bob worked for a wholesale meat distributor, but the couple struggled financially.

Speaker 7 Supposedly, he was a salesman, but he never made enough money.

Speaker 10 So Stacy went back to work.

Speaker 35 for a charitable organization.

Speaker 12 She stopped being a stay-at-home mom. She got herself a job.

Speaker 58 How'd she feel about that?

Speaker 12 She did what she had to do.

Speaker 35 Stacy's commitment to Bob, to the kids, was never in doubt. But Bob, on the other hand...

Speaker 12 A few years into their marriage, it was a special birthday of mine and another girlfriend from Chicago and I flew out to Denver to celebrate.

Speaker 62 Jan and her friend decided to check the dating website they've been using. So they borrowed Bob and Stacy's computer.

Speaker 12 And we were quite surprised to see that there was a dating site open on the computer with his profile.

Speaker 43 His profile is somebody actively using a dating.

Speaker 12 Actively using. In fact, he had a date that evening.

Speaker 34 Wait a minute, he's married to your friend.

Speaker 12 I was shocked. As much as I had concerns, my concerns were more, he's not holding up his end of the bargain here in a relationship.
He's not working. He's not.

Speaker 15 Come on, the date, for God's sake.

Speaker 12 Well, and so that took it to a different level.

Speaker 61 Did you tell her?

Speaker 12 We did not. We discussed it.
We discussed it with others who were close to her and decided that let's wait, let's play this out, let's see what happens.

Speaker 24 Oh, it did play out.

Speaker 17 According to Jan, Stacey said, one day a woman showed up on her doorstep and told her Bob had been giving her money.

Speaker 12 And of course, having been with her sexually. It was an ugly, ugly situation.

Speaker 79 She must have been like completely, what is it they say, gobsmacked. She had no idea.

Speaker 12 Line-sided. Disgusted.
Actually, disgusted.

Speaker 62 Stacy told friends she thought about leaving him.

Speaker 56 They separated a few times. She even saw a divorce attorney at one point.

Speaker 7 He always lured her back. He would say, I'm going to change and we're going to go to therapy.
And, you know, we're going to have the life that you always wanted.

Speaker 31 He'd keep dangling at the thing in front of her that she wanted to.

Speaker 7 I'm going to change. I'm going to change.

Speaker 26 But he didn't.

Speaker 7 Their house was only in his name.

Speaker 7 The credit card would say Robert Stacey Feldman instead of Robert and Stacey Feldman.

Speaker 90 Well, well, well.

Speaker 7 He controlled her financially, emotionally, and just had that power over her.

Speaker 72 She told her friends she was too scared to leave him.

Speaker 12 He told her that he would leave her with nothing and take the kids. He threatened her in a way that really scared her.

Speaker 28 She was afraid.

Speaker 71 The threats were never physical, far as anybody knew.

Speaker 62 But in hindsight, Stacy's sister and friends believed she was being emotionally abused.

Speaker 12 She needed those children to live in a warm, loving home. So she just kept it at bay.
And again, hoping he would change, hoping things would get better, hoping for a new lease on life, I guess.

Speaker 22 And now Stacy was gone.

Speaker 3 Susan sat at Stacy's grave and thought about all those things

Speaker 24 and knew

Speaker 43 she had to do something.

Speaker 27 The feeling she'd had for years was too strong to ignore any longer.

Speaker 7 And I got in the car with my aunt and I told my aunt and she said, you need to call the homicide department right now.

Speaker 70 She phoned Detective Randy Dennison.

Speaker 7 I talked to him for an hour and a half, and I told him why I thought Bob killed her, and he probably thought I was a grieving sister.

Speaker 45 Maybe. But a few things had been troubling Dennison ever since he saw that bathtub.

Speaker 50 Not exactly suspicious, just odd.

Speaker 43 It just didn't look the way he thought it would if an adult had taken a tumble in there.

Speaker 22 Sure, that metal shelf and the shampoo bottles apparently went flying, but everything else was neatly in its place.

Speaker 9 There was a tull really neatly hung there. And then on the inside railing door, there was some shampoo and products still on there.

Speaker 9 You know, my thought was, it's funny that these things weren't disturbed.

Speaker 15 Also, if Bob did pull his wife out of the tub, wouldn't the floor be wet?

Speaker 9 There wasn't water on the floor that you would expect.

Speaker 3 And that washcloth sitting on the drain?

Speaker 9 If this tub had been full of water, you would expect that to be totally saturated.

Speaker 24 And it wasn't.

Speaker 45 Mind you, he'd arrived an hour and a half after Bob called 911.

Speaker 62 Still, the scene, all those injuries on her body.

Speaker 35 Curious.

Speaker 78 It's all kind of gray area stuff, right?

Speaker 58 Like, maybe suspicious, maybe not.

Speaker 9 Right, it still could be

Speaker 9 medical, so we have to really wait till the autopsy report comes out.

Speaker 20 And then, two months later,

Speaker 18 it certainly did.

Speaker 16 Coming up, Stacy's friends and family grow increasingly frustrated.

Speaker 7 People don't just die. You have to die for a reason.

Speaker 83 When dateline continues.

Speaker 66 Susan Altman suspected her brother-in-law Bob Feldman had something to do with her sister Stacy's death.

Speaker 50 She thought Stacy's autopsy would prove it.

Speaker 51 It took two months and then...

Speaker 39 What happened when the autopsy came back?

Speaker 7 Undetermined death.

Speaker 35 Susan couldn't believe it. Didn't believe it.

Speaker 7 She was 44 years old, young and healthy the day before. People, you don't just die.
You have to die for a reason.

Speaker 3 The forensic pathologist who conducted the autopsy found dozens of scrapes and bruises on Stacy's body, but determined none of them would have caused her death.

Speaker 33 The autopsy did reveal Stacy had yet another underlying medical condition that might or might not have explained what happened.

Speaker 45 Stacy had a mild case of hardening of the arteries.

Speaker 9 There's a somewhat enlarged heart. I don't think there was any medical opinion that

Speaker 9 she was in grave danger of a you know, heart failure or anything like that.

Speaker 41 There were also curious findings in the toxicology report.

Speaker 17 Bob said Stacy had taken a cannabis edible the night before she died, but there was no trace of it.

Speaker 22 And the fentanyl patches found on her body.

Speaker 9 She had no fentanyl system, so certainly wasn't caused by that, an overdose of fentanyl.

Speaker 63 A supervisor at the medical examiner's office reviewed the autopsy report and agreed.

Speaker 39 The cause of Stacy's death could not be determined. As a detective, when you get a result like that, what does that do to your investigation?

Speaker 9 Well, it kind of halts it. You know you're going to need more.

Speaker 26 What could he do?

Speaker 96 Well, for one thing, talk to Bob again,

Speaker 21 see if his story held up.

Speaker 9 So I had called him a couple of times, and he returned my call, started recording the conversation. Did you come, were you back at all during the day?

Speaker 9 I mean, until you found your wife.

Speaker 51 The detective asked Bob to go over over that day again, beginning with taking the kids to religious school at the temple.

Speaker 21 The first story was he'd left at 8.30.

Speaker 39 He didn't come back till 3.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 62 But now, in this call, he added a stop or two.

Speaker 51 What time do you think it was about that you were home

Speaker 65 early around

Speaker 65 noon?

Speaker 65 Okay. I actually cleaned out the garage because there were the shelves that fell big success.

Speaker 9 According to the friends, that garage was pretty much a mess, I guess, all the time. And when I saw it later, it didn't look very orderly.

Speaker 39 The idea that he'd stop in the middle of his day to clean it up didn't make any sense.

Speaker 9 No, it did not.

Speaker 24 Bob said after he cleaned the garage, he went to the park to work out.

Speaker 27 Even though it was a very cold day, there was still snow on the ground.

Speaker 27 between like benches while they down to do push-ups and things.

Speaker 47 Was that a regular activity of his?

Speaker 9 No. We found out in later in interviewing friends and neighbors that would have been unusual.

Speaker 43 Dennison also talked to the director of the religious school who said that when Stacey failed to pick up her kids as arranged, one of them called Bob.

Speaker 9 She tells the school, I talked to my dad, and he'll be right here to get us.

Speaker 56 According to Bob, he would have been working in the garage at home or exercising in a nearby park around that time.

Speaker 20 But almost an hour passed before he showed up at the kids' school.

Speaker 48 Is the house a long, long way from the school?

Speaker 9 No, no, it's about a mile and a half.

Speaker 39 Certainly isn't an hour-long drive.

Speaker 9 No, absolutely not.

Speaker 50 Bob had also told him that earlier in the day after he dropped the kids off at school, he hung around to attend a ceremony there.

Speaker 43 So the detective checked that out, too.

Speaker 17 There wasn't a service, even though he said there was.

Speaker 61 Right.

Speaker 39 So right there is a lie.

Speaker 91 Yes.

Speaker 58 Dennison wondered, why the shifting story?

Speaker 43 And why, when Stacey failed to pick up the kids at school.

Speaker 9 Why don't you go home and check on your wife? That's my thought. And even if you're not concerned about her,

Speaker 9 you might be upset. Like, hey, you messed up our day here.

Speaker 3 The detective had to put the question to Bob.

Speaker 15 Did he know more about his wife's death than he was letting on?

Speaker 11 Well, let me just ask you here, Bob, did you have anything to do with it?

Speaker 65 No, I did not, absolutely not.

Speaker 65 I lost my wife's career.

Speaker 50 Detective Dennison wasn't so sure.

Speaker 71 Before he got Bob on the phone, he had spoken with first responders who said...

Speaker 9 It looked like he was overacting. I mean, they're constantly around families that have just lost a loved one.
And they're expressing the same thing, like it was an act.

Speaker 45 All very interesting and suspicious.

Speaker 71 But Dennison was a homicide detective without a homicide.

Speaker 45 The autopsy still said the cause of death cannot be determined.

Speaker 50 Stacey's sister shared his frustration.

Speaker 7 I became kind of obsessed with watching

Speaker 7 murder mysteries, and I would call him in the middle of the night and I would say, you know, please watch episode so-and-so because maybe it's this or maybe it's that.

Speaker 10 How often did you call that detective?

Speaker 7 About once a week on Friday, usually. Yeah.

Speaker 39 He always took your call?

Speaker 87 Detective Dennison was good about that, taking calls.

Speaker 56 Just as well.

Speaker 46 After all, how else could he know about the other woman and what she was going to tell him?

Speaker 81 Coming up.

Speaker 49 He

Speaker 29 just grabbed me and kissed me really aggressively and it just shocked me. I pushed him back.

Speaker 29 back a match made online what was the connection to stacy's death i knew immediately when i saw the date that that was the reason she was dead

Speaker 99 hey everybody ted danson here to tell you about my podcast with my longtime friend and sometimes co-host woody harrelson it's called Where everybody knows your name and we're back for another season.

Speaker 77 I'm so excited to be joined this season by friends like John Mulaney, David Spade, Sarah Silverman, Ed Helms, and many more.

Speaker 25 You don't want to miss it.

Speaker 98 Listen to Where Everybody Knows Your Name with me, Ted Danson, and Woody Harrison sometimes, wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 93 OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, Ondeck's loans up to $250,000 help make it happen fast.

Speaker 93 Rated A-plus by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of five-star trust pilot reviews, Ondeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at on deck.com.

Speaker 93 Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by Ondeck or Celtic Bank. Ondeck does not lend in North Dakota, all loans and amount subject to lender approval.

Speaker 100 A mochi moment from Mark, who writes, I just want to thank you for making GOP1s affordable. What would have been over $1,000 a month is just $99 a month with Mochi.

Speaker 100 Money shouldn't be a barrier to healthy weight. Three months in and I have smaller jeans and a bigger wallet.
You're the best. Thanks Mark.
I'm Myra Ammeth, founder of Mochi Health.

Speaker 100 To find your Mochi moment, visit joinmochi.com.

Speaker 95 Mochi members have access to licensed physicians and nutritionists and are compensated for their stories. Results may vary.

Speaker 56 Detective Dennison wasn't expecting it.

Speaker 43 A message left at the office from a stranger, a woman who claimed claimed to have an urgent story to tell about Bob Feldman and the day his wife Stacey died.

Speaker 27 Information that could shed a whole new light on the case.

Speaker 9 And I called the

Speaker 15 person, Susan McBride.

Speaker 39 Susan McBride. Back in February 2015, Susan was single, lived in Denver.
She thought she had just met a great guy on Tinder.

Speaker 90 His name was Bob.

Speaker 29 There is a nice picture of him with a big smile and a,

Speaker 29 as I recall, a green polo shirt. Looked like he was barbecuing.

Speaker 17 They swiped right on each other.

Speaker 71 And hours later, they were knee to knee in a crowded coffee shop.

Speaker 29 He was very personable and likable and he smiled a lot and laughed a lot.

Speaker 34 Before you met, did he explain much about his circumstances?

Speaker 29 No, I didn't find out until we met for coffee that he had been separated for a couple of years and was planning to file for divorce.

Speaker 70 Before she knew it, an hour plus slipped by.

Speaker 57 They agreed on another date.

Speaker 29 We walked outside to the front of the coffee shop and he

Speaker 29 just grabbed me and kissed me really aggressively. And it just shocked me.
I pushed him back.

Speaker 31 But she decided to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 29 And I thought, well, I'll just, you know, see how a next date goes, because I really did like him.

Speaker 35 Later, he emailed her, gushing.

Speaker 29 I think I'm supposed to wait three days before I say something. I don't follow the rules.
Wow, you're wonderful.

Speaker 43 He offered to bring wine to her place that night.

Speaker 56 She said no.

Speaker 29 I basically thought, there's no way I'm letting this guy come over until I know his last name. And so at some point in the email conversation, I said, so what's your last name?

Speaker 45 It took a whole day for him to answer.

Speaker 18 One word, Wolf.

Speaker 51 Bob Wolf.

Speaker 61 She Googled him exhaustively.

Speaker 17 She didn't find anything with that name.

Speaker 58 But eventually she landed on something.

Speaker 29 A LinkedIn profile came up for a Robert W.

Speaker 29 Feldman. And his picture was on the LinkedIn profile.

Speaker 31 And bingo, that was him.

Speaker 29 Yeah, that's when I discovered his last name was Feldman.

Speaker 70 She also found the name of his wife, Stacey.

Speaker 76 They seem to still be together.

Speaker 29 I sent him a message saying, You're a lying,

Speaker 29 Bob Feldman. Don't contact me again.

Speaker 79 Well, that's direct.

Speaker 29 Yeah, I felt it was deserved. It was warranted.

Speaker 35 Bob did not.

Speaker 45 He lit up her phone.

Speaker 29 After many rings, I finally picked up and I said, what?

Speaker 29 And he said, please let me explain.

Speaker 91 It was a scary story.

Speaker 45 He had a stalker at one point, he told her, and that made him leery of sharing his full name.

Speaker 39 He wanted to tell Susan more, he said, so maybe over dinner, he came to her place.

Speaker 29 He brought me a salad and a half-drunk bottle of wine. And I thought that was really cheesy.
Anyway, we talked for a long time.

Speaker 29 He told me that his wife was an absentee mother, and she just kind of did her own thing.

Speaker 58 Absentee mother.

Speaker 79 It's something you don't often hear, that phrase.

Speaker 29 That's what he called it.

Speaker 39 That's the phrase he used. Yeah.

Speaker 58 Bob insisted they were separated.

Speaker 41 They took turns spending time in the house with the kids.

Speaker 31 Susan felt he was pouring his heart out.

Speaker 45 Her anger melted.

Speaker 29 He made me believe that he was a very cautious person, that he really wanted a relationship.

Speaker 39 They slept together that night and made plans for the coming weekend. But when Saturday rolled around, Bob abruptly said he couldn't make it.

Speaker 29 I immediately responded, to be honest, Bob, it seems like you were just looking for a hookup. And as I indicated, I was not.
I think we better just move on.

Speaker 29 Your life seems way too complicated right now anyway. Good luck.
And no response whatsoever from him.

Speaker 20 All her doubts about Bob came flooding back.

Speaker 19 She went online again, this time to check out his stories about Stacey.

Speaker 29 I found then that she was actually the president of the PTO of the grade school.

Speaker 79 I see.

Speaker 31 That doesn't sound like an absentee mother to me.

Speaker 29 No. It just really made me angry that he would say that about her.
And I thought, should I tell her? Should I not tell her?

Speaker 11 She did.

Speaker 29 in an email I said my name's Susan McBride you don't know me but I met your husband on a dating site called Tinder he told me you had been separated for quite some time

Speaker 29 if you're not separated you should know that he's cheating on you

Speaker 29 boy she wrote back and she said no we are not separated and I wrote back and I said I'm so sorry Stacey here's my number if you'd like to call me

Speaker 56 Within minutes, Stacy was on the phone to Susan.

Speaker 31 What was she like on the phone?

Speaker 29 She was so sweet and kind,

Speaker 29 and she wasn't angry. She said, I'm so sorry he did that to you.

Speaker 39 That sounds almost more like somebody who knows that's happened before, and this isn't the first time she's had to go through this.

Speaker 29 Right. And she said, I'm done with him.

Speaker 17 I'm sorry.

Speaker 39 What did she say to you?

Speaker 29 She said, I'm done with him.

Speaker 39 And that was that.

Speaker 36 Susan didn't communicate with Stacy or Bob again.

Speaker 15 And then, one sleepless night, months later, she got into Google, just curious, and found Stacy's obituary.

Speaker 57 It hit her like a bomb.

Speaker 68 Stacy died on March 1st, 2015, the very day they had talked.

Speaker 29 I got physically ill.

Speaker 8 Physically ill.

Speaker 61 It was just, it was like something something out of a movie.

Speaker 39 I mean, you didn't cause it, but did you think somehow that maybe he had done something?

Speaker 31 Absolutely.

Speaker 29 I knew immediately when I saw the date that that was the reason she was dead. And I didn't know if she committed suicide or something or if something else happened or he killed her.

Speaker 29 I really didn't know.

Speaker 10 She called crime stoppers, spoke with Detective Dennison, told her story.

Speaker 17 It's like somebody suddenly opened the curtains and let the the light in.

Speaker 31 Now you can see what maybe happened here.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you certainly have a motive.

Speaker 10 He also found out that Bob collected on a $750,000 life insurance policy after Stacy's death.

Speaker 38 Bob was living off the money and seemed to be enjoying himself, too.

Speaker 7 All Stacey wanted was to take her kids to Disney World. She never had enough money to take her kids to Disney World.

Speaker 61 And then he went.

Speaker 7 And then he took them. And not only did he take them to Disney World, it was like first-class Disney World, the most expensive hotel, the guide that takes you to the front of every line.

Speaker 3 So now Dennison knew that Bob was a confirmed cheater who spent extravagantly after his wife's sudden death.

Speaker 43 So maybe he could prove the guy was a creep, but that didn't make him a killer.

Speaker 65 And then another woman came forward, and her story?

Speaker 65 Creepy would be the least of it.

Speaker 81 Coming up.

Speaker 14 He says, because my house is so secluded, you could scream as loud as you would want and nobody would hear you.

Speaker 90 Alarming words.

Speaker 16 And she says worse.

Speaker 14 At that point, I went into survival mode.

Speaker 83 When dateline continues.

Speaker 17 It was tragedy that brought Stephanie Galvin into this story, a tragedy in her life.

Speaker 14 In 2012, my stepson took his life, and he was 13 when he passed away.

Speaker 39 And after, Stephanie and her husband separated, and her young daughters were struggling.

Speaker 56 The counselors at school recommended a center that offered grief counseling classes.

Speaker 76 And that's where Stephanie met a father who was there with his his own two kids.

Speaker 62 His name, as you may have guessed, was Robert Feldman.

Speaker 14 He was very kind

Speaker 14 and he was very interested in having a conversation with me. He seemed pleasant with his kids.

Speaker 73 So when Bob asked for her phone number, she said yes.

Speaker 92 Except he didn't call.

Speaker 96 until several months later, long after the class ended.

Speaker 14 Out of the blue, he calls and says, hey, my kids are going to be at summer camp for about three weeks, and I thought it'd be nice if I took you to dinner.

Speaker 14 And then the community that I live in, we have a community pool that everyone goes to, so we could go swimming and then go to dinner.

Speaker 58 A swimming date.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 31 A little unusual.

Speaker 14 It was summertime, though, so.

Speaker 39 Stephanie was game.

Speaker 14 I had the normal jitters of this, you know, this is exciting. It should be fun.

Speaker 39 But then she walked in the door.

Speaker 14 And almost instantly,

Speaker 14 I felt something was off.

Speaker 92 For one thing, this wasn't a community pool.

Speaker 96 It was Bob's private backyard pool.

Speaker 14 And so I'm thinking, oh, I'm overreacting.

Speaker 14 I don't know him, so everything's, you know, fine. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 96 They made their way to the backyard patio, where, she said, he told her his story.

Speaker 14 He had told me that his wife had suddenly passed away from cancer.

Speaker 60 Cancer?

Speaker 50 Which wasn't true, of course, but Stephanie didn't know that.

Speaker 14 He was like, you want to go swimming. And so I was like, okay.
At this point, I'm still very nervous and I honestly didn't know what to do.

Speaker 47 You're questioning yourself more than you are him at this point.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 67 And so she pushed aside her discomfort and had an awkward swim with Bob Feldman.

Speaker 10 They sat on the patio again afterward.

Speaker 14 And I noticed it was getting kind of late. It was around dinner time and he still hadn't mentioned anything about going to dinner.
At that point, My concern started to grow.

Speaker 22 Eventually, they went back inside, and Stephanie changed out of her swimsuit in the master bathroom.

Speaker 35 No way for her to know.

Speaker 76 It was the same room where first responders found Stacy dead more than two years before.

Speaker 14 And then when I had come out, he was in the room and he started to kiss me. You know, I was like, okay, it's a bit fast, but...

Speaker 17 This was unexpected.

Speaker 14 It was a little unexpected.

Speaker 48 And you're in his bedroom.

Speaker 14 I'm in his bedroom. He had wrapped his arms around me and had squeezed my shoulders tight.
And at that point, I went into survival mode. I knew, okay, there was no dinner.

Speaker 14 This was his intentions all along. And now I have to

Speaker 14 do what I can to play calm and just act like I'm okay. So it happened.

Speaker 67 Bob raped her, she said.

Speaker 14 I wouldn't have been able to get him off if I had tried because he put a lot of weight on me.

Speaker 18 Were you afraid?

Speaker 14 Were you terrified? I wasn't terrified at that point. I was afraid and I felt like a coward.
I was like I should have left when I first felt something was off.

Speaker 70 When it was all over, she said, he asked her to look out on his patio.

Speaker 14 And he says, see all these houses and everything around here?

Speaker 14 Because my house is so secluded, you could scream as loud as you would want and nobody would hear you.

Speaker 31 Well, there's a message.

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 14 From that point on, it was, I need to get out of here. And my way out was: he had made a comment of,

Speaker 14 oh, I'm supposed to meet with some friends tonight at the bar, but I'm having such a good time with you, I don't want to leave.

Speaker 14 And then I said, Well, I do have other things planned for tonight, so you can go ahead and go with your friends. It's fine.
I should probably get going.

Speaker 14 And walked out and never looked back.

Speaker 10 Three weeks after the incident, Stephanie thought she was getting an infection.

Speaker 39 According to medical records she provided to Dateline, her doctor prescribed drugs to protect against sexually transmitted infections.

Speaker 76 The next day she began to feel sick, went to the emergency room, where she reported intercourse against her will.

Speaker 14 They have to report any kind of rape, obviously,

Speaker 14 or sexual assault.

Speaker 39 So the police came to ask their questions and tell her something that shocked her.

Speaker 14 One of the officers had told me that they had been investigating him for a murder. I had no idea about that.

Speaker 56 Through his attorney, Bob Feldman denied sexually assaulting Stephanie.

Speaker 10 She decided not to press charges against him.

Speaker 56 As for the murder investigation, it was stalled.

Speaker 39 Lack of evidence.

Speaker 38 Evidence that just might be hiding in plain sight.

Speaker 83 Coming up, were Stacy's injuries caused by the effort to save her, or was it something more sinister?

Speaker 94 This was a prolonged assault with multiple blows, multiple impacts over her entire body.

Speaker 98 Hey, everybody, Ted Danson here to tell you about my podcast with my longtime friend and sometimes co-host Woody Harrison.

Speaker 97 It's called Where Everybody Knows Your Name and we're back for another season.

Speaker 77 I'm so excited to be joined this season by friends like John Mulaney, David Spade, Sarah Silverman, Ed Helms, and many more.

Speaker 25 You don't want to miss it. Listen to Where Everybody Knows Your Name with me, Ted Danson, and Woody Harrison sometimes, wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 93 Cashflow Crunch, ONDEC Small Business Line of Credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it.

Speaker 93 Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat.

Speaker 93 With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at on deck.com.
Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow.

Speaker 93 Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by ONDEC or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota.
All loans and amount subject to lender approval.

Speaker 100 A mochi moment from Tara, who writes, For years, all my doctor said was eat less and move more, which never worked. But you know what does? The simple eating tips from my nutritionist at Mochi.

Speaker 100 And after losing over 30 pounds, I can say you're not just another GLP1 source, you're a life source. Thanks, Tara.
I'm Myra Amet, founder of Mochi Health.

Speaker 100 To find your Mochi moment, visit joinmochi.com.

Speaker 95 Mochi members have access to licensed physicians and nutritionists and are compensated for their stories. Results may vary.

Speaker 41 For more than two years, it ate at Stacey's family and friends.

Speaker 57 That autopsy that labeled her death undetermined.

Speaker 7 I've been talking about this and, you know, the possibility of Bob killing her for years. But this one particular relative did not know about it.

Speaker 43 The relative happened to be a clinical psychologist.

Speaker 7 And she said it sounds like domestic violence, and it sounds like somebody where my friend works should talk to you.

Speaker 76 Where her friend works is an organization called the Training Institute on Strangulation Prevention.

Speaker 71 Attorneys Gail Strike and Casey Gwynn are co-founders of the institute.

Speaker 76 And they told us strangulation is a crime often missed.

Speaker 82 You can strangle someone to death and have no external marks on the victim's body. If you want to kill somebody, shooting them or stabbing them is a bad idea.

Speaker 82 But you want to kill somebody and nobody knows how it happened, strangulation and suffocation are great go-tos for a killer.

Speaker 55 And there are many reasons why we missed strangulation. We had no training, no laws, no protocols.
It wasn't on our radar screen.

Speaker 32 That's why the Institute puts on training workshops that include staged crime scenes like this to teach medical professionals and law enforcement across the country.

Speaker 7 I was willing to let them be involved.

Speaker 79 And the more time goes by, the less likely it is you're going to be able to solve it.

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 39 She also alerted her pal, Detective Brandy Dennison.

Speaker 31 Strangled and unconscious.

Speaker 43 He and a Denver prosecutor set up a meeting with the Institute's medical expert, a guy named Bill Smock.

Speaker 76 A scarf was put around her neck and she was dragged up.

Speaker 74 Smock is a doctor of emergency medicine with a fellowship in forensics.

Speaker 17 He's participated in thousands of autopsies, crime and accident scenes.

Speaker 3 He's trained police and pathologists alike.

Speaker 86 Where do we see pressure being applied?

Speaker 63 Last year, Dr.

Speaker 66 Smock testified for the prosecution in the trial of Derek Chauvin, convicted of the murder of George Floyd.

Speaker 17 Smock agreed to review Stacey's case, which meant examining in granular detail the crime scene and the autopsy photos.

Speaker 94 I zoom in to see if there are any injuries that were missed or misdiagnosed or misdescribed by that forensic pathologist.

Speaker 63 For example, the trauma to Stacy's face.

Speaker 94 She had a chipped tooth.

Speaker 47 What's a chipped tooth have to do with this?

Speaker 94 So something happened to Stacy Feldman the day she died that there was friction to her nose, trauma to her mouth, inside and the outside.

Speaker 20 The injury spoke volumes to Dr.

Speaker 27 Smalk.

Speaker 43 That chipped tooth, he said, was caused by a blunt force trauma.

Speaker 3 He believed someone had pressed against Stacy's nose and mouth, trying to suffocate her.

Speaker 22 He also noticed the telltale sign of strangulation in something called patichial hemorrhages, little red dots from burst capillaries in her eyes.

Speaker 47 Why wouldn't the pathologists see that?

Speaker 94 The pathologists saw them, but called them rare. I don't consider more than 100 petecheal hemorrhages rare.

Speaker 43 And he said Stacy had venous congestion caused by pressure to her chest and neck, blocking blood flow back to the heart.

Speaker 94 The blood pools in the skin and your skin would become red.

Speaker 11 And remember all those bruises and abrasions that the pathologist identified?

Speaker 43 Most were inflicted while she was still very much alive, said Dr.

Speaker 71 Smock.

Speaker 31 You found lots and lots of injuries.

Speaker 94 Found a multitude of injuries, actually more than 80 separate injuries.

Speaker 50 The pathologist believed some of these injuries were probably the result of efforts to resuscitate Stacey or move her body out of the tub, but Dr.

Speaker 74 Smock had a different interpretation.

Speaker 94 So she had so many blows to her head, she had bleeding underneath the scalp. This was a prolonged assault with multiple blows, multiple impacts over her entire body.

Speaker 51 She took a terrible beating, said Dr.

Speaker 10 Smock.

Speaker 10 And evidence on her body said she fought for her life.

Speaker 94 On the back of both Stacey's right and left hands were multiple bruises, abrasions. This is what you typically see as a defensive injury.
How else do you get bruises in this?

Speaker 48 Somebody's still hitting you and hitting you.

Speaker 94 Somebody's trying to hit you and you're trying to protect yourself

Speaker 38 dr.

Speaker 94 Smock noticed more details he believed told a story marks from a bra strap on Stacy's shoulder and what he called pattern imprints on her skin which is when you have an object that is pressed so hard into the skin it leaves a mirror image of that object in this case stitching or a weave of clothing on the skin.

Speaker 38 His conclusion?

Speaker 56 Stacy was still dressed when she died. Only afterward, according to Smock, did the killer remove Stacy's clothing and place her body in the tub on top of that collapsed shelf.

Speaker 94 On her right lateral chest was the imprint of a caddy, a metal shelf. But what's unique about this imprint is there is no bruising or abrasion associated with it.

Speaker 94 which tells you it was a post-mortem imprint.

Speaker 15 Smock studied the autopsy materials for two months and at the end came to a very different conclusion than the medical examiner's office.

Speaker 94 The cause of death is going to be asphyxia, which means the body was deprived of oxygen from a combination of suffocation and strangulation.

Speaker 45 In plain language,

Speaker 61 murder.

Speaker 81 Coming up.

Speaker 83 Would the DA see it the same way?

Speaker 7 I don't think many people in my family thought that this was ever going to happen.

Speaker 83 When dateline continues.

Speaker 17 It was the answer Stacey Feldman's family had been waiting for.

Speaker 71 Dr.

Speaker 66 Bill Smock called her death a case of strangulation and suffocation.

Speaker 35 And that could mean only one thing.

Speaker 32 Stacey's husband, Bob, killed her.

Speaker 43 Detective Dennison took Dr.

Speaker 76 Smock's report to the DA.

Speaker 73 Did that finally give you enough for the arrest?

Speaker 31 Yeah.

Speaker 9 After reviewing Dr. Smock's report, they said we will prosecute.
And we got an arrest warrant from Mr. Feldman.

Speaker 39 Wow. Big moment after all that time.

Speaker 9 It seemed like a long time coming.

Speaker 7 We had a plan that they were going to let us know that he was going to be arrested so that we could be there for the children.

Speaker 94 And so you got that call?

Speaker 7 So I got that call.

Speaker 39 What was that like?

Speaker 7 Best day of my life.

Speaker 68 It was February 13th, 2018, two years and 11 months after Stacy died.

Speaker 102 Denver police have made an arrest in a mysterious death of a 44-year-old woman who died three years ago.

Speaker 44 A few days later, Bob Feldman was charged with first-degree murder.

Speaker 43 For Stacy's friends and family, it wasn't just about seeing Bob in handcuffs.

Speaker 47 It was also about the children.

Speaker 96 Since Stacy's death, Bob had kept them away from Stacy's loved ones.

Speaker 48 He saw you as the enemy.

Speaker 64 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 I was the enemy.

Speaker 17 The children were 10 and 11 when their father was arrested.

Speaker 56 After the arrest, they went to live with Stacy's family.

Speaker 43 Was it a relief?

Speaker 95 Yeah.

Speaker 12 You know, the kids also hadn't really been in touch with her family much over the years. So.
It was emotional to have the kids.

Speaker 7 It was huge.

Speaker 12 It was a long time coming.

Speaker 7 I don't think many people in my family thought that this was ever going to happen. You know, a lot of time had gone by, and Bob is a sneaky guy.

Speaker 20 Their sense of relief didn't last very long.

Speaker 3 The judge initially ordered Bob to be held without bail, but then came the preliminary hearing where the prosecution had to show its evidence.

Speaker 42 There's nothing other than proof that this guy is a philanderer, a no-good guy,

Speaker 42 who deserves respect,

Speaker 42 but it doesn't mean that he's a killer.

Speaker 66 Robert Gottlieb was not involved in this case, but he is a seasoned defense lawyer who tried a very similar case about a woman supposedly drowned in a bathtub.

Speaker 17 A case stateline covered.

Speaker 71 This is him at that trial.

Speaker 13 He sees his wife in the bathtub, and he pulls his wife out of the tub.

Speaker 42 And he calls 911

Speaker 42 and he applies CPR.

Speaker 3 Godbie said in Stacey Feltman's case, there was not very much evidence Bob killed her, but plenty of evidence something else did.

Speaker 42 You know she has an enlarged heart. You know she has hardening of the arteries.
You know that she has been sick.

Speaker 42 So it makes sense and it's not beyond reason to think that she could have been taking a shower and slipped.

Speaker 32 At the end of the preliminary hearing, the judge agreed.

Speaker 43 He ruled ruled that the prosecution didn't have sufficient evidence to justify holding Bob without bail.

Speaker 68 He did set a high bail, $2 million,

Speaker 35 which he later lowered to $1 million.

Speaker 68 And Bob used a bailed bondsman to post bail and walked out of jail

Speaker 22 back to the house with the swimming pool.

Speaker 79 What was it like when you found out?

Speaker 7 Devastating.

Speaker 34 Court documents revealed Bob was using Stacy's insurance money to pay for his criminal defense.

Speaker 22 Stacy's family sued.

Speaker 54 There is a Colorado law called the Slayer Statute that keeps the killer from profiting on their crime.

Speaker 36 Nicole Vap covered the case as an investigative producer for NBC affiliate Nine News in Denver.

Speaker 54 A judge originally ruled in the family's favor and froze all of the life insurance money.

Speaker 22 But Bob appealed, and in 2019.

Speaker 102 A Colorado Colorado Supreme Court decision today has a lot of people angry and asking why.

Speaker 61 He won.

Speaker 102 The court ruled that Robert Feldman, a man accused of killing his wife, can use money from her life insurance policy to fund his defense.

Speaker 41 Free on bail, Bob was in no hurry to stand trial.

Speaker 54 This case had so many delays. Every time we went to court, it seemed like there was another delay.

Speaker 38 At times, it seemed the whole world was conspiring to slow things down.

Speaker 66 Today, Robert Feldman's trial was pushed back for a fifth time due to concerns about COVID-19.

Speaker 66 There was another delay when key witness Susan McBride moved to Italy and applied for citizenship.

Speaker 29 Bagnone is the name of the town. The people were so warm and welcoming, and I have very good friends there.

Speaker 39 So many years since Susan Altman first sat by Stacey's grave and resolved to find the truth.

Speaker 31 So many stops and starts in her long fight for justice.

Speaker 91 So what's it done to your family, to you, to have to wait all this time?

Speaker 7 It's been really, really hard. I haven't been able to breathe deeply or sleep well at night or

Speaker 7 be

Speaker 7 a good friend or a good family member. Certainly my kids have suffered from me being absent.
Every time we would get a notice that the trial was going to happen, I would get my hopes up.

Speaker 56 The whole time, remember, Bob was at home, not in jail, although the judge had made very strict rules.

Speaker 54 He had an ankle bracelet. He was not allowed to leave his house unless he had a medical appointment.
He could meet with his lawyers. He could also go to the grocery store, but that was it.

Speaker 26 Or was it

Speaker 81 coming up?

Speaker 54 That may have been one of the weirder news tips we received.

Speaker 16 A pool party hosted by an accused killer.

Speaker 54 One of the neighbors reached out to us and said, there are people in a swimming pool. I'm like, what people?

Speaker 98 Hey, everybody, Ted Danson here to tell you about my podcast with my longtime friend and sometimes co-host Woody Harrelson.

Speaker 97 It's called Where Everybody Knows Your Name and We're Back for Another Season.

Speaker 77 I'm so excited to be joined this season by friends like John Mulaney, David Spade, Sarah Silverman, Ed Helms, and many more.

Speaker 25 You don't want to miss it.

Speaker 98 Listen to Where Everybody Knows Your Name with me, Ted Danson, and Woody Harrison sometimes, wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 93 Cashflow Crunch, ONDECK's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it.

Speaker 93 Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat with flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently.

Speaker 93 Apply today at on deck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow.
Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by Ondec or Celtic Bank.

Speaker 93 Ondec does not lend in North Dakota, all loans and amount subject to lender approval.

Speaker 100 A mochi moment from Mark, who writes, I just want to thank you for making GOP1s affordable. What would have been over $1,000 a month is just $99 a month with Mochi.

Speaker 100 Money shouldn't be a barrier to healthy weights. Three months in and I have smaller jeans and a bigger wallet.
You're the best. Thanks, Mark.
I'm Myra Ameth, founder of Mochi Health.

Speaker 100 To find your Mochi moment, visit joinmochi.com.

Speaker 95 Mochi members have access to licensed physicians and nutritionists and are compensated for their stories. Results may vary.

Speaker 45 2020.

Speaker 41 Summer returned to Denver.

Speaker 67 And with it, after months of COVID lockdown, a breath of outdoor freedom.

Speaker 51 Robert Feldman, by then 56 years old, was still under a kind of lockdown, of course, monitored by an ankle bracelet while he awaited trial at home.

Speaker 72 Except, maybe Mr.

Speaker 17 Feldman was enjoying the outdoors, too.

Speaker 102 A man accused of killing his wife is now in trouble for pool parties.

Speaker 54 That may have been one of the weirder news tips we received.

Speaker 60 Nine news producer Nicole Vapp got a curious call about some splashy activity at the Feldman home.

Speaker 54 One of the neighbors reached out to us and said, there are people in his swimming pool. I'm like, what people?

Speaker 54 And we did a Google and we found that address on an app that was used during the pandemic to rent out swimming pools.

Speaker 32 Stacy's friends and family knew that pool, had been there often, and now the man accused of killing her was using it to make money.

Speaker 12 Having pool parties. Not so much justice there.

Speaker 7 That's not how it should be.

Speaker 12 While they're still suffering without closure.

Speaker 52 Oh, but that was not all Bob was up to.

Speaker 37 Not even close.

Speaker 58 This woman is Tracy Fagan.

Speaker 103 I've been divorced like several years and went on a Jewish dating site to, you know, just meet someone and to go on a simple date with. And

Speaker 103 he pinged me right away.

Speaker 67 Tracy and Bob met up at a local park. He'd been in the news plenty by then, but she hadn't seen it.

Speaker 103 He seemed like a normal,

Speaker 103 regular guy, you know, showed up on his bike for the date, which, again, in Colorado is completely normal.

Speaker 45 Bob's profile noted that he was a widower.

Speaker 43 So she was careful about what she said.

Speaker 39 And then, while they were walking and talking, Bob added that he had two kids too.

Speaker 103 And they live in Connecticut. And I thought, that seems kind of odd.

Speaker 43 Still, she decided to see him the second time.

Speaker 103 He called me and he said, can you come to my house tonight?

Speaker 27 I thought, oh, great.

Speaker 103 This guy doesn't have a car or something.

Speaker 103 And he said, well, no, I have some legal troubles and

Speaker 103 I can't leave the house. He said, well, I can, you know, I can explain it to you when you come over.
We can talk about it. We can sit up by the pool.

Speaker 39 Pool or no pool, legal trouble was one strike too many for Tracy.

Speaker 61 Bob was out.

Speaker 103 Well, now it was like, yeah, no, I'm not, like I just said, I'm not comfortable coming over to your house.

Speaker 45 But then, Bob didn't stay at home either. As Nicole Vap and her colleagues learned, even though staying home was a condition of bail.

Speaker 104 Bob Feldman is charged with murdering his wife Stacey. Still, Nine Wants to Know found he gets out often.

Speaker 54 This anonymous neighbor reached out to us and said that Bob has been out on his bike. He writes he'll go away for hours and not come back.
He's not supposed to be doing that as part of his bond.

Speaker 27 Stacy's friend Jan Goldenberg went on TV to express her outrage at Bob's escapades.

Speaker 12 Why isn't someone stopping it?

Speaker 15 A few days later, she said there was a call on her landline from Bob.

Speaker 12 I saw the area code,

Speaker 12 but it was too quick for me to put two and two together. And I answered, and he said, don't you think that my children watch the news?

Speaker 12 And I just hung up. So I presume he was slightly agitated, which is fine.
People have been agitated by his actions for many

Speaker 12 years.

Speaker 31 The court increased its scrutiny of Bob's behavior on bail, but but

Speaker 63 by the spring of 2022, more than seven years after Stacy's death, the focus shifted to his murder trial, which was finally set to begin.

Speaker 81 Coming up.

Speaker 94 The evidence is clear. The injuries that Stacy had are the result of assault that resulted in homicide.

Speaker 16 And in the courtroom, Susan, still fighting to get justice for her sister.

Speaker 103 I wanted her to know that I was still there with her.

Speaker 83 When dateline continues.

Speaker 40 Pink flags sprang up overnight in the park near Bob Feldman's house.

Speaker 36 Greetings as he went on trial for first-degree murder.

Speaker 63 Stacy's favorite color.

Speaker 31 The flags a show of support from her friends in the neighborhood.

Speaker 40 No doubt where Susan Altman had stood all along, that her sister Stacey didn't die accidentally, that Bob killed her, and that he had to be held accountable.

Speaker 7 Nobody thought it would come to this, but I knew deep down in my heart that it was, and I never for a minute wavered from that.

Speaker 58 But though Susan and Stacy's friends were convinced, a jury was another matter.

Speaker 3 Proving Stacy's death was murder and that Bob did it might not be so easy.

Speaker 43 Former Denver prosecutor George Brockler didn't work on the case but followed it for Dateline.

Speaker 38 He said Bob's prosecutors faced a significant hurdle because the investigation was not treated as a homicide at first.

Speaker 9 When you're in the business of needing to prove somebody's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, if you don't get it right early on, the risk you run is you aren't going to get it right anywhere.

Speaker 40 After all, this was a case with no damning DNA, no obvious murder weapon, no eyewitnesses.

Speaker 43 So prosecutors leaned hard on Bob's shifting stories and his behavior the day Stacey died.

Speaker 62 Starting with that 911 call.

Speaker 9 If you listen to his words, his words are not about his wife as much as they are about him. Help me, help me, not help her.
I think that could be telling.

Speaker 44 The 911 operator testified that Bob didn't sound out of breath while he claimed to be performing CPR.

Speaker 8 Please, David, please, please, please, please.

Speaker 8 Sir, please pumping your child.

Speaker 48 So, in other words, he wasn't out of breath.

Speaker 91 He wasn't trying to do CPR as far as the person listening to the call could determine.

Speaker 34 That's what they're saying.

Speaker 9 And I think, too, the absence of him engaging in that active CPR as he's being talked through it by the dispatcher suggests that he knows she's already dead.

Speaker 43 Detective Dennison told the jurors, Bob seemed disinterested in how his wife died.

Speaker 9 He said, I don't think we want an autopsy.

Speaker 78 He volunteered it.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it seemed kind of odd.

Speaker 76 And the fact that Bob later changed his story about that day?

Speaker 39 What was the importance of that for a prosecutor?

Speaker 9 Well, listen, the statement that you give

Speaker 9 during this traumatic event, the moment after it happens, you would expect that one to be the most credible.

Speaker 9 And then at a later date, during a formal interrogation, to change up the facts of that, incredibly suspicious.

Speaker 60 Stephanie Galvin, who had accused Bob of rape, also took the stand.

Speaker 22 And though in court documents prosecutors mentioned evidence of sexual assault, an assault Bob denied, they decided not to ask the judge to admit that evidence.

Speaker 52 Stephanie did testify that Bob told her Stacey died of cancer, which, of course, was just not true, but

Speaker 50 one witness just might cut through any uncertainty about Bob Feldman, his behaviors, and perhaps his motive for murder.

Speaker 43 Susan McBride flew in from Italy to testify for the prosecution.

Speaker 29 When they told me to point him out, as I got up on the witness stand, I pointed right at him and looked him right in the eye, and I felt strong.

Speaker 38 She reread her emails for the jury.

Speaker 2 Emails that describe their brief relationship and that fateful email to Stacy just hours before her death.

Speaker 29 I had every email, and it's lucky I did because Bob had gone in the day of Stacy's death and deleted all the emails from me. Apparently, I found that out at the trial.

Speaker 63 Susan McBride testified that Stacy told her she was done with her husband.

Speaker 43 The prosecution told the jury, Bob wasn't about to accept that.

Speaker 66 And their star witness, Dr.

Speaker 62 Bill Smock, gave his version of what Bob did to Stacy next.

Speaker 94 She has trauma to her face, particularly her nose and mouth, and she also has evidence of strangulation.

Speaker 43 Dr.

Speaker 35 Smock exhaustively documented Stacy's 80-plus injuries, some of which, he said, the original pathologist missed.

Speaker 39 explaining how they couldn't come from a single slip and fall, but from a prolonged and brutal assault.

Speaker 37 He even climbed into the well of the courtroom and demonstrated with mannequins, a show and tell he repeated,

Speaker 51 for us.

Speaker 94 Stacy had some unique injuries. On the insides of both upper arms were large bruises.

Speaker 58 Dr.

Speaker 60 Schmock said Bob likely killed Stacy by straddling her body and then smothering and strangling the life out of her.

Speaker 94 Pressure is put on the insides of both arms.

Speaker 31 By the knees.

Speaker 94 By the knees. So during the assault, Stacy had both pressure on her face and pressure on her neck and on the insides of her arms.

Speaker 91 And all those injuries you saw to her nose, to her teeth, to her,

Speaker 48 they could have been achieved that way.

Speaker 94 Yes, exactly.

Speaker 73 We have blunt force trauma on the lips.

Speaker 47 Just pushing down, very much.

Speaker 94 Just pushing down. The evidence is clear.
The injuries that Stacy had are the result of assault that resulted in homicide.

Speaker 34 Smock believed Bob then undressed Stacy and put her in the tub, forgetting to remove that expensive watch.

Speaker 50 He told us he also had to wonder if Bob placed those fentanyl patches on Stacy's body to make it look like a possible overdose.

Speaker 17 Susan Altman, of course, was familiar with the details of Stacy's death, but she'd never seen those photographs before.

Speaker 54 I didn't stare at the pictures for very long.

Speaker 7 I needed to be there with her while that was happening to her. And I imagined that she was thinking about me and thinking about her family.
And I wanted her to know that I was still there with her.

Speaker 39 Still felt her presence at that point, huh?

Speaker 7 Yep. I needed to be with her till the end.

Speaker 47 At the end of seven days, the prosecution rested.

Speaker 43 It said Stacey Feldman died a horrible death.

Speaker 45 at the hands of the man she once loved and trusted, her husband.

Speaker 9 The victim in this case had had enough, and she was made to pay for it, not just with a beating, but a beating that precipitated her death. That's the theme that they had.

Speaker 15 But the defense had a theme, too.

Speaker 3 A story with the same evidence,

Speaker 21 only different voices, whose expertise even the prosecution could not deny.

Speaker 81 Coming up.

Speaker 16 Will there be justice for Stacy?

Speaker 39 The medical examiner left the conclusion that the cause of death was undetermined, which sounds like a crack in the door for a defense attorney, frankly.

Speaker 88 It's more than a crack.

Speaker 42 It is a nuclear explosion.

Speaker 17 Susan Altman led a strange kind of army in the years since 2015.

Speaker 18 A group of people allied for her sister, Stacey Feldman.

Speaker 70 Together, they gathered on the wooden benches of a Denver courtroom to face a man they saw as a longtime enemy.

Speaker 54 He was a beast.

Speaker 7 He had no expression ever the whole time that he was there. No remorse,

Speaker 7 no guilt, nothing. The guy was stoneface the entire time.

Speaker 68 To her, Bob's guilt was obvious.

Speaker 18 But to a jury, after all, Bob had a crack defense team.

Speaker 11 Attorney Robert Gottlieb thought Bob's lawyers did exactly what they needed to do, reinterpret the evidence and condemn the investigation itself.

Speaker 42 Just a terrible amateurish investigation.

Speaker 43 The defense hammered Detective Randy Dennison, pointing out he didn't even suspect foul play at first and therefore, didn't collect critical evidence.

Speaker 42 You take anything and everything, that means blood, fingerprints, any physical evidence. Nothing was done here.

Speaker 40 Mind you, he wasn't there.

Speaker 76 And Detective Dennison, an experienced and competent man, was.

Speaker 74 Unless you're looking at something that

Speaker 9 really appears to apparently be a homicide, a murder, you're not going to rope everything off and kick everyone out of the house.

Speaker 33 The defense also took issue with the way the prosecution characterized Bob's behavior on that 911 call and in the house that day, and Gottley wholeheartedly agreed.

Speaker 42 No one is going to convince me today that the way somebody reacts at the scene of a murder, that there's only one way for you to behave, or there's only one way to respond to an EMT's question while you're there trying to save your wife.

Speaker 3 The prosecution's theory of motive was also weak, said Gottlieb.

Speaker 17 The defense argued that Susan McBride's testimony that she told Stacy about Bob's infidelity didn't prove Stacy confronted Bob, let alone that he killed her.

Speaker 42 So there was an absence of any credible testimony that would have led ultimately to the confrontation leading to her death.

Speaker 31 I guess she had known that he had cheated on her before, and so maybe this wouldn't wouldn't be terribly big surprise.

Speaker 39 Right.

Speaker 42 She knew that it had happened before. They reconciled.
And if this really was the straw that broke the camel's back, you would have expected her to call her best friend.

Speaker 42 You would have expected her to call somebody.

Speaker 34 But what then to make of Stacy's battered body?

Speaker 39 Well, here the defense turned the evidence to its advantage, saying she was likely still alive when Bob tried repeatedly to pull her from the tub to save her.

Speaker 42 And in doing that, you can be sure there would be contusions and trauma against the side of the bathtub, the faucet or otherwise.

Speaker 20 The core of the defense argument, Stacy was not murdered.

Speaker 63 And to prove it, they called a witness who would normally be testifying for the prosecution.

Speaker 59 the forensic pathologist who performed Stacy's autopsy.

Speaker 73 One of the things that was interesting about this case was that the medical examiner left the conclusion that this death was, the cause of death was undetermined.

Speaker 73 Sounds like a crack in the door for a defense attorney, frankly.

Speaker 88 It's more than a crack.

Speaker 42 It is a nuclear explosion.

Speaker 58 The pathologist,

Speaker 39 her supervisor, and an elected coroner from another county all told the court they could not rule Stacey's death a homicide.

Speaker 39 They continued to insist this was an undetermined death.

Speaker 42 The only thing that changes two years after the autopsy is that at the behest of the family who did their own research, the police then contact this Dr. Smock.

Speaker 22 Dr. Smock,

Speaker 36 the defense tore into the prosecution's star witness.

Speaker 47 They called you a charlatan.

Speaker 71 So how are you not a charlatan?

Speaker 94 I have the same training that the forensic pathologists have. I have participated in thousands upon thousands of autopsies.

Speaker 31 Without ever being an actual pathologist.

Speaker 15 Correct.

Speaker 34 The defense told jurors to see Stacy's multiple injuries as evidence of a valiant effort to save her life, not end it,

Speaker 63 and asked the jury to listen to the three pathologists, impartial government employees, who continued to insist the cause of death was undetermined and find not guilty.

Speaker 34 It had taken seven years, one setback after another, to bring Bob Feldman to trial.

Speaker 50 It took the jury less than three hours to reach a verdict.

Speaker 7 Never in a million years did we think that that was going to come the same day that we had closing arguments.

Speaker 71 Stunned, they filed back into the courtroom.

Speaker 60 The verdict swift, just like the deliberations.

Speaker 102 Within the last few minutes, we learned a jury has found Robert Feldman guilty.

Speaker 76 Guilty of first-degree murder.

Speaker 7 I think I was living an out-of-body experience. I have to tell you.
I didn't burst into tears when I heard the guilty verdict. I knew it was coming.
I felt relief

Speaker 7 and justice.

Speaker 9 It's a relief, but it really isn't so much

Speaker 9 personal for me. It's not about me.
It's not about the prosecutors. It's about that family.

Speaker 39 You guys in that detective business are a bunch of softies, you know?

Speaker 38 Yeah, I believe so.

Speaker 9 Pardon me.

Speaker 72 The sentence was immediate.

Speaker 18 Life without parole.

Speaker 76 And after, the women who'd seen Bob Feldman for what he was found reasons to be thankful.

Speaker 39 Like Stephanie Galvin, who believed Bob used a grief counseling class to prey on her and is convinced he could have done much worse.

Speaker 14 I'm okay with how I handled things because I'm alive.

Speaker 31 That's kind of important, isn't it?

Speaker 14 I did what I needed to do to get out without anything happening more than it had.

Speaker 50 Susan McBride, too, is thankful.

Speaker 29 We met for the first time today, and it was amazing. It was amazing to be able to touch her and hug her.

Speaker 61 Meeting now.

Speaker 7 This was the first time we got to touch and hug.

Speaker 65 That's right.

Speaker 71 Our cameras brought these two Susans together in person for the first time.

Speaker 15 Both women have suffered in these years since Stacey's death, but also feel empowered now to help other victims of domestic violence.

Speaker 29 He was a con man,

Speaker 29 and I think he was able to con her over and over again, as well as me, as well as many other women.

Speaker 7 We need to make domestic violence

Speaker 7 in the spotlight. We need to talk about it.
We need to save our loved ones.

Speaker 39 Having met, will you meet again, do you think? Is this it for you, too?

Speaker 29 Oh, it's not it. Oh, it's not it.

Speaker 85 No.

Speaker 29 We're sisters now. Absolutely.

Speaker 7 Susan McBride is part of our family. Very nice.

Speaker 47 A family determined to get justice for Stacey and which is fighting for her still.

Speaker 7 She knows that

Speaker 7 we did right by her and that she knows that our family is taking amazing care of her children and that they will grow up to know what an amazing mom they had

Speaker 7 and they'll be surrounded by love and they're going to be okay.

Speaker 6 That's all for now.

Speaker 78 I'm Lester Holt.

Speaker 9 Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 98 Hey, everybody, Ted Danson here to tell you about my podcast with my longtime friend and sometimes co-host Woody Harrelson.

Speaker 97 It's called Where Everybody Knows Your Name and We're back for another season.

Speaker 77 I'm so excited to be joined this season by friends like John Mulaney, David Spade, Sarah Silverman, Ed Helms, and many more.

Speaker 25 You don't want to miss it. Listen to Where Everybody Knows Your Name with me, Ted Danson, and Woody Harrelson sometimes, wherever you get your podcasts.